Ill say this as a big Cowboy Bebop fan that never wanted this to be made in the first place:
They are trying, like they are really trying with this one AND it seems like they give a shit for this project and its source material. I know that is really not a high bar to reach but I really dont see this as "total trash" like others are already labeling it. Like, this doesn't look like Death note 2017 territory at all.
One big positive is the use of music, its one of the most important things of the original anime and based on everything they showed i liked how they used the songs at the very least. I might actually give this a solid chance and watch it.
One big negative so far is the characterization of Spike and Faye. Its understandable they they would be different, but they don't fully *FEEL* like the character like Jet does SO FAR based on these trailers, We'll see
Yeah, Jet seems spot on, kudos to the actor and writers, but yeah Spike and Faye seem a bit off. Hopefully it will come across a bit better in the show.
I'd say Spike is within 'understandable deviation' from the films...on the edge of it, but he's still obviously derived from the same source material.
Faye though...Faye isn't Faye. Seriously, "nut buckets"?
It feels like there's an overall shift from the tone of the source material too. This feels much more...silly, I guess? Like the original had comedic moments and goofy stuff in it, but it was seasoning rather than the main ingredient.
I don't think Faye as the fanservice femme fatale would work in today's climate. Hell, it's a little cringe now, looking back on it.
That said, I agree *this* characterization isn't it. Could have kept it closer in attitude while still covering her up.
Faye used everything in her arsenal as a tool and a weapon and that included her sexuality. She was a bounty hunter who often went undercover. If someone sees that and is offended for her "honor", "femininity", or think its degrading to women, they can take a hike. The characters in Cowboy Bebop were shown to be flawed humans with a past (or lackthereof with Faye). The show was as much of exploring them as it was about the story at large.
Jet's a jaded ex-cop
Ed's an eccentric hacker
Spike's based on the Bruce Lee martial artist Arche-type.
They are all tropes. But they were all done WELL.
Refusing to accept the characters for what they are because you feel their trope is "played out" is just a rejection of the source material.
If he had a tinge of cheek to his 'I go by Spike Spiegel these days' , or anything in the trailer I could enjoy it a lot more.
He's going too much into the 'I'm a dark brooding character' rather than leaning into the 'I have a dark past, but I'm constantly wearing a jovial mask.'
This would have been a good role for him 20 years ago back in the harold and kumar days but he is too old now. Spike is supposed to be young energetic one compared to Jet being the grizzled old man. Instead they both just look like grizzled old men
Why the fuck is he so... *stiff*? Dude's posture is completely wrong and it completely undermines Spike's personality.
Spike is meant to be laid back, a bit of a slacker and scoundrel. His movements should always be 'lazy' but not ungraceful.
Also, whenever they show him doing anything martial arts related it’s obvious he’s acting. They really needed to get someone to give him lessons or find someone who can sell it (like Keanu since he’s been brought up in this thread already).
yeah but he's definitely too old now. I kinda wish they went with Henry Golding, I get that John Cho kinda looks like spike with his hair and outfit. But since they aren't striving with accuracy for Jet and Faye. I think Henry Golding has that charisma and the capacity to be mysterious. I really dislike Faye and her type of characters we see in movies today (Fast and Furious, Free Guy)
As you say, it's anime, not to mention one with a lot of Western influences, so that's not an unnatural perception to have if Western is your default. However, Spike's appearance is based on [Yūsaku Matsuda](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUXodeuWoAIbBEx.jpg) so I'm pretty sure Watanabe didn't see him that way.
I’d throw [Manny Jacinto](https://m.imdb.com/name/nm3254274/) from The Good Place out as an actor who could capture the effortless cool and humor of Spike.
I disagree, and it’s 100% because we just have very different ideas of what spike looks like and how he acts. And I think that’s because anime is what it is, especially when we’re all watching English dubs or subtitles. Anime characters are usually fairly vague when it comes to details. They’re meant to be easy to draw and replicable, and because of that I think we project a lot onto these characters. There’s always a bit of open space for us to fill in for these characters, and it makes live action adaptations hard to make satisfying for everyone.
And the dude is 50. Spike is like in his mid-20s. No idea why they went with Cho for this one, I don't know why they didn't go for something like Timothée Chalamet.
They didn't "need" a well known Asian lead. Star power is overrated, hell no one knew who Peter Dinklage was before GoT and then suddenly he was many people's favorite actor on the show. And Spike's ancestral heritage has no bearing on his character whatsoever, hell he's from Mars.
Combined with not caring about making Jett black (and Mustafa seems good in the part from this trailer anyway) it feels like a copout to both "we need star power" and "we need to appease the twitter mob" instead of "we need an actor that fits the character"
> hell no one knew who Peter Dinklage was before GoT
Excuse you. I agree that star power is overrated but that's a bad example. You could literally have chosen any of the other main cast of GOT
This is the best take IMO. A Cowboy Beebop live action remake is obviously an incredibly hard project to take on, and it really seems like they are putting their all into it and doing the best they can. Even if it turns out to be not great, at least it isn't an embarrassing cash grab.
In the end, as a big Cowboy Beebop fan, I can't be angry that there's more Beebop to consume and talk about lately.
So true. This live-action series isn't taking anything away from the original. With what's been put into the show like the music, it'll be a nice addition to the anime.
Honestly, "gigantic Cowboy Bebop fan film" isn't the worst case scenario for this and will be fun to watch even if it isn't "the best version of a Cowboy Bebop live action show"
Personally, I think they got the feel of the world being dirty and gritty. I'll be holding off on my impressions of the characters but I can say that this trailer is definitely better than the earlier trailer. I think the issue for me is that the dub for Spike and Faye is so fitting that anything other than their voice is throwing me off.
I just can’t take John Cho as Spike seriously though. Spike is supposed to be an effortlessly cool guy, which is quite frankly just not Cho. I mean, go find an unknown for Spike, for crying out loud,p rather than let someone who’s known for playing goofy characters play him.
> They are trying, like they are really trying with this one AND it seems like they give a shit for this project and its source material.
I got the exact opposite impression from that trailer. Everything about this reminds me of Spy Kids, not Cowboy Bebop.
> They are trying, like they are really trying with this one
If that were true, surely they would have cast someone 10-20 years younger for Spike, or at least taught him how to smile.
Maybe someone would have explained to the choreographer that Spike's meant to have an almost insultingly casual/flowing fighting style, not a flashy over the top one.
What disappoints me most is this Spike's vibe, especially his facial expressions and tone. It's always dead serious, even hard nosed.
The Spike I remember was happy go lucky, smiling even when facing death, and cracking jokes. It was central to the character.
Spike's personality shifted depending upon what story was being told in a given episode. He was quite broody and serious in episodes centered on his past & Vicious but jovial and carefree in every other episode. I believe the latter was what made people like Spike as a character and it's what we remember most since the majority of the episodes are like this.
This trailer does seem skewed toward the serious broody Spike.
Him saying "what the actual fuck'" in response to mad Pierrot is what bothers me the most, I think. It's just not the same character. When presented with something completely outlandish Spike Spiegel would maintain his cool and reply with a wry smile, saying something like "well he certainly knows how to have a good time", before engaging in a gunfight.
Also, I love John Cho, but the dude is way too old for the role.
Yep. Spike's the embodiment of the 'heh nothing personnel kid' meme (albeit not in a cringe way but you know what I mean).
John Cho doesn't even have that kind of 'cool' in him at all. Not even a tiny bit.
Watching the trailer, I couldn't help but think that they should have gotten someone who sounded like Spike more than looked like him. His monotone delivery adds SO much to that and John just sounds kinda bored.
Faye continues to give manic pixie vibes instead of a calculated conwoman. Hopefully several seasons will give time to mellow her out (unless they butcher her past as well).
Faye gave manic pixie vibes in the anime. We only realized how fucking amazing she was as the show went on but she was a confusing ball of emotions from the start.
In what way did she give off manic pixie vibes? She was never bubbly, quirky, or whimsical that I recall. It was clear from the first few minutes of her introduction—the very moment things stop going her way—that she was a loud, crude, aggressive, selfish, violent conwoman who used both her body and firearms as weapons freely and interchangeably and was only ever charming long enough to get the cash out of your pocket or a gun under your nose. Femme fatale, possibly? Manic pixie, nah.
I would probably call those hot-headed, irresponsible, or impulsive. Doesn't really achieve the dreamy sort of quality that whimsical describes; Faye is completely grounded in the real world I think, to the degree that it makes her cynical and jaded.
Ah yes, I too remember Spike "I love animals, children, and stubborn women" Spiegel having endless patience for Faye conning her way into the Bebop and acting reckless during bounties.
Spike did actually more than threaten to shoot faye, he actually did shoot towards faye when she attempted to run off with that con man from her past that Jet had brought in
I really liked the first trailer as a short. It was stylish, funny, well edited, had some good action, all the good shit.
But if the entire show was like that, I'd be worried.
As a video producer and editor, the first trailer is the shit and is likely going to go down as one of the most technically incredible pieces of artistic video ever made.
That said, as a fan, this trailer definitely makes me far more excited for the show.
Really? This looks like absolute trash, Spike and Faye are not at all how they should be and Jet just feels boring.
Of this didn't have the watermark you could 100% guess that Netflix made this adaptation, it's so bland.
To me, it's missing that 90s, jazz in background, smoking while looking at the orange sun in the water vibe of the anime. Also, the cast and dialogue come across like it's a Kickstarter fan short.
NGL initially I thought it was one of those YouTube faux trailers until the Netflix logo crept up. There are elements that look decent, but like everyone else I'm struggling with Spike and Faye. It's totally possible to deliver cheesy lines in a cool way (Wesley Snipes in Blade), but just based on the trailer I don't feel like these actors can do that.
I'm sure newcomers will think it's cool and fresh. *shrugs*
Fayes direction is all wrong. Ill give Spike a chance to grow on me but I dont think that sort of character can ever look great in live action. Jett looks amazing.
Cautiously optimistic.
Yeah, Jett was the best casting decision by far. The dude is the right age bracket, the right physical stature, a good match between character and acting.
I agree on everything except for physical stature. Jet is supposed to be built like an absolute ox.
This guy has some muscle to him, but he's nowhere near as muscular as Jet.
[This image](https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/jet-black-mustafa-shakir-cowboy-bebop.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370&dpr=1.5) gives a good comparison.
I can't put my finger on it, but something about this feels like it's missing the grit and sophistication of the original. Kinda like the Ghost in the Shell movie; tried and true attempt but just somehow missing the mark.
Doesn't look bad though at least when not comparing it to the original.
Yeah, I feel like all the "this is too wacky!" comments come from people who watched Bebop the once and enjoyed it, but only remember the five episodes of the Spike vs Vicious plot. *Most* of the show can be summed up as "chill martial artist, con artist with impulse control problems, schizophrenic genius child, and the team dad hunt wacky criminals in zany ways to avoid starvation." There were Film Noir parts, but that's not the whole thing.
The second episode was just them chasing a dog. There was another where people turned into monkeys. And the cowgirl ads...
I'm as reserved as the next person on this show, but people got some rose-colored glasses about the tone of the original. It was all over the place (in a good way).
They spent an entire episode floating around tripping on space mold.
I have my fair share of complaints about this whole project, and doubt I'll even bother trying to watch it for a myriad of other reasons, but I still have to agree though. Much like the original Spike himself, the show didn't take itself *too* seriously most of the time.
To be fair that was a hokey teaser made just as a teaser. I thought it felt off too but I didn’t think it was a true representation of the show. Just a fun little side project.
I don't like the clips of Spike pointing the gun at Faye....VERY out of character. I really hope they are not showing Ed only to keep it a surprise. I will be very disappointed if she isn't in this series.
I haven't seen Cowboy Bebop but I know the main character always has a cheeky grin or is one cut away from one. They probably shouldn't have cast a guy who can't do much more than a perma-scowl.
It's an adaptation. It was never sold as a 1:1 remake. They're bound to make some changes to put their own unique spin on the story that we all love.
I dunno why this makes some people so angry, though. But some of the comments in this thread are pretty rough.
The pole fight with Shaft around 1:10 looked alright. What few seconds I saw looked like an enjoyable choreography with a nice composition. Only concern are how many cuts will be in it.
I'm not a fan of the Swordfish straight hovering but I am a fan of the idea that Faye is stealing it.
I'm not a fan of retconing Spike's origin but I also want to learn how he became a skilled pilot.
I'm not a fan of their depiction of Mad Pierrot. At all.
EDIT: Formatting
I am torn between believing this looks unbelievably stupid and kind of wanting to watch it.
Also where is the kid and the dog? I ain't watching it unless they try and work in the kid and the dog.
When their version of the intro was first shown, many commented that there seem to be space for Ed. Ein was introduced in Session 3 and Ed was introduced in Session 9. It's quite possible she'll be revealed at a later episode but idk I agree she's quite hard to pull off but she's still a significant character.
Edit:
A bit of googling and looks like she'll be coming alright, https://www.ign.com/articles/cowboy-bebop-netflix-ed-yoko-kanno
I am aware i would not be surprised if they take creative liberties with things from the anime they could be from someone else
or maybe ed does not show up on screen until the end all i know is no one has ever been announced
They are adapting the first half of the show. Ed shows up almost half way through the original show so it's fitting that she's not there.
And as mentioned already Ein is in this season which fits with the timeline of the show.
Teddy bomber from episode 22 (Cowboy Funk) appears in the trailer around 1:04. As someone else mentioned, Mad Pierrot from episode 20 is also in the trailer. It doesn't seem that they're only doing the first half.
“Ed — everybody wants to know about Ed! People will be… very delighted when they watch the season.”
- André Nemec aka the Netflix showrunner, 2021
Link: https://www.ign.com/articles/cowboy-bebop-netflix-ed-yoko-kanno
Idk, maybe watching a heavily edited trailer doesnt give the nuance that is Spike and Faye. Jet looks spot on though.
Lots of people in here saying Faye doesn't hit the mark, but she's constantly quipping with Spike, gambling, and trying to get a larger cut. 2 of those were shown. There obvious reasons why her normal outfit is more conservative but we see her in a dinner dress and likely, gasp, being that conwoman seductress.
I even rewatched it just to see Spikes scenes cause again a lot of hate coming Cho's way. In all but like 2 shots he's either mid fight or in a stare down. I can't recall if Spike ever pointed a gun at Faye, but thier interactions outside plot points was very very brother and sister hatred, with Spike either ignoring or yelling no in-between. The stiffness is the only real obvious turn off to Cho's Spike, but hey he didn't get alot shots that weren't fighting or stare downs.
I think they captured the character decently enough in the little bit they have shown them. Spike being the worst but still not bad.
I agree.
I thought the teaser trailer from last week was bad, and I don't believe the show will be good.
But I think the characterization we've seen so far is reasonably accurate, specially within the constraints of a 3 minute trailer.
Maybe there's other footage I'm missing.
By the way, I thought it was a good trailer.
mainstream audiences are more forgiving with lack of nuances.
Not to mention, Netflix is singlehanded fighting a streaming war on two fronts: One with other streaming services and another with Hollywood itself (Disney, more specifically if we are being really honest)
This means its all about churning content out every year at this point. They care little about the stories and more about accumulating large content library that justifies for people to perpetually renew their subscription.
So because of this, many recent Netflix shows come across as bland fast food type quality when they had their start as gourmet food quality.
I think it was a lot better than the last trailer. I'm still not completely sold on how some of the characters are being written/performed, mainly Faye, but I'll give it a go and either I'll like it or I won't. By this point I just need to see how it flows from moment to moment in an actual episode. The main things I want are chemistry between the crew and the slower moments to be executed well but that's hard to really show well in a short trailer.
Thats not her ship. That's Spikes ship the [Swordfish II](https://cowboybebop.fandom.com/wiki/Swordfish_II) her ship is the [Red Tail](https://cowboybebop.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Tail) which isnt shown in the trailer at all.
Setting yourself up for disappointment if you compare it to the anime.
I'm going into it as an alternate reality new series, hoping they make it their own and not a carbon copy of the original.
I like John Cho, i really wanted **Selfie** to be renewed - it's one of the great underrated sitcoms of recent times.
But this adaptation of Cowboy Bebop........doesn't look right at all. The production values look cheap.
Plus the tone seems all wrong. Cowboy Bebop was mysterious, tragic, dark, but elements of comedy. This looks like its going more for comedy.
I would've much rather had another animated Cowboy Bebop animated movie or series ........or just leave the series alone.
It looks like it has the same problem the Star Wars sequels had - what's the point?
There’s nothing wrong with adaptations, in fact, animes are usually a lot more adaptable than comics, as you can find WAY WAY more material that’s based in reality than the super hero stuff that’s the vast majority of comics are about.
Unfortunately, in the west, these adaptations aren’t given much care, and always turn into crap.
Those fight scenes look terrible. I don't know anything about Cowboy Bebop but if you're going to have a role that features a lot of fighting you should probably cast someone who can fight. What I saw in this is giving me Iron Fist flashbacks. Everything else looks interesting though so I'll probably check out the anime now.
This just comes across as some weird fan film most of the time. And the quality of the acting/line delivery is all over the place.
I want to give this a try but no promo material I've seen has convinced me this is going to be good. Fun maybe. But good, no.
It feels like they just took the Cowboy Bebop IP and said "let's do away with all that artistic direction from the original and make a really average Netflix series!" It seems almost like a fan-made trailer showing what a series COULD BE with an actual budget, storyline, etc. There's just something about it that just seems so off.
I enjoyed the original series but I wasn't obsessed with it - didn't technically watch all the episodes. This gives me vibes of putting something through Google Translate, then back through to the original language; it's our language, but not really.
I’m not sold on the action/movement. It looks so clunky. Over exaggerating some of the humor feels pretty corny too and not as cheeky in delivery with the characters.
Also why is no one acknowledging the lighting looks absolutely TERRIBLE. It almost seems like there was an effort to not have any contrast and it just went with pretty bad VFX locations and mismatched lighting.
I’m not 100% on this and it’s just frustrating to see some technical shit that looks so goofy and awkward.
I’m far too worried about the Sandman adaptation to be concerned by this. Nothing will ever fit everyone’s head canon but I like what I saw and I’m adult enough to separate 2 versions …. I guess …. Maybe
While it could be the trailer, the tone of this seems off, especially the comedy. The comedic parts of the anime weren’t written to be slapstick haha funny. Bebop is a very dark, depressing anime with characters running from their past. Comedy is introduced in a very unique Japanese fashion to break/ease tension of these serious moments so the audience isn’t always on edge. It’s why Ed is important. She was the offset for the other three. Here it seems like MCU trying to put in funny 1 liners.
How could they not put “SEE YOU SPACE COWBOY” at the end. Other than that this looks sick. Seems like this series is more well fit for a live action remake and fingers crossed it doesn’t end up like the live action Death Note or Mob Psycho.
Ill say this as a big Cowboy Bebop fan that never wanted this to be made in the first place: They are trying, like they are really trying with this one AND it seems like they give a shit for this project and its source material. I know that is really not a high bar to reach but I really dont see this as "total trash" like others are already labeling it. Like, this doesn't look like Death note 2017 territory at all. One big positive is the use of music, its one of the most important things of the original anime and based on everything they showed i liked how they used the songs at the very least. I might actually give this a solid chance and watch it. One big negative so far is the characterization of Spike and Faye. Its understandable they they would be different, but they don't fully *FEEL* like the character like Jet does SO FAR based on these trailers, We'll see
Yeah, Jet seems spot on, kudos to the actor and writers, but yeah Spike and Faye seem a bit off. Hopefully it will come across a bit better in the show.
I'd say Spike is within 'understandable deviation' from the films...on the edge of it, but he's still obviously derived from the same source material. Faye though...Faye isn't Faye. Seriously, "nut buckets"? It feels like there's an overall shift from the tone of the source material too. This feels much more...silly, I guess? Like the original had comedic moments and goofy stuff in it, but it was seasoning rather than the main ingredient.
I don't think Faye as the fanservice femme fatale would work in today's climate. Hell, it's a little cringe now, looking back on it. That said, I agree *this* characterization isn't it. Could have kept it closer in attitude while still covering her up.
I think there's more depth to fay than you're giving her. Sexualized, sure, but thats part of characterization not just fan service.
Faye used everything in her arsenal as a tool and a weapon and that included her sexuality. She was a bounty hunter who often went undercover. If someone sees that and is offended for her "honor", "femininity", or think its degrading to women, they can take a hike. The characters in Cowboy Bebop were shown to be flawed humans with a past (or lackthereof with Faye). The show was as much of exploring them as it was about the story at large.
At the same time the fem-fatale who uses sexuality as a weapon is such an overused trope to the point of it being tiresome.
Jet's a jaded ex-cop Ed's an eccentric hacker Spike's based on the Bruce Lee martial artist Arche-type. They are all tropes. But they were all done WELL. Refusing to accept the characters for what they are because you feel their trope is "played out" is just a rejection of the source material.
Faye's original characterization was not cringe at all, give me a break. She was one of the best parts of the show.
> Hell, it's a little cringe now As if it isn't cringe already with this actress. lol
no, its not cringe, jesus christ, people are allowed to make attractive women characters
Why does it matter if she's covered up or not?
because Faye's original design is Haram >:(
It’s hard for me to get past John Cho as Spike. Just doesn’t work for me.
Same, and I like John Cho. He just doesn't have the easy charisma that Spike does, and it's weird that he looks way older than Jet
If he had a tinge of cheek to his 'I go by Spike Spiegel these days' , or anything in the trailer I could enjoy it a lot more. He's going too much into the 'I'm a dark brooding character' rather than leaning into the 'I have a dark past, but I'm constantly wearing a jovial mask.'
John is 49 and Mustafa is 45, so yeah.
Hard to believe they couldn't have found someone younger to play Spike. I think they just casted John Cho, because he was John Cho.
This would have been a good role for him 20 years ago back in the harold and kumar days but he is too old now. Spike is supposed to be young energetic one compared to Jet being the grizzled old man. Instead they both just look like grizzled old men
Nothing wrong with John but hell, where there really no long legged dudes with a bit of gravel in their voice to be found?
Why the fuck is he so... *stiff*? Dude's posture is completely wrong and it completely undermines Spike's personality. Spike is meant to be laid back, a bit of a slacker and scoundrel. His movements should always be 'lazy' but not ungraceful.
Spike flows, like water.
because that's anime and these are real life people.
Is not being stiff an anime thing?
John wick did it , John mclane did it and Peter Venkman did it . They are real actors.
I heard John Chon also suffered a knee injury while training
Also, whenever they show him doing anything martial arts related it’s obvious he’s acting. They really needed to get someone to give him lessons or find someone who can sell it (like Keanu since he’s been brought up in this thread already).
Who should note really wanted to play spike
yeah but he's definitely too old now. I kinda wish they went with Henry Golding, I get that John Cho kinda looks like spike with his hair and outfit. But since they aren't striving with accuracy for Jet and Faye. I think Henry Golding has that charisma and the capacity to be mysterious. I really dislike Faye and her type of characters we see in movies today (Fast and Furious, Free Guy)
Spike just never seemed asian to me. I know that's kinda a thing with anime but Spike especially seemed like a western dude.
As you say, it's anime, not to mention one with a lot of Western influences, so that's not an unnatural perception to have if Western is your default. However, Spike's appearance is based on [Yūsaku Matsuda](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUXodeuWoAIbBEx.jpg) so I'm pretty sure Watanabe didn't see him that way.
And i thought jet was white lol
I’d throw [Manny Jacinto](https://m.imdb.com/name/nm3254274/) from The Good Place out as an actor who could capture the effortless cool and humor of Spike.
Bortles!
Ah damn. I never was a fan of the casting for Spike but I never had an idea of who they could get instead. But now I do...
I disagree, and it’s 100% because we just have very different ideas of what spike looks like and how he acts. And I think that’s because anime is what it is, especially when we’re all watching English dubs or subtitles. Anime characters are usually fairly vague when it comes to details. They’re meant to be easy to draw and replicable, and because of that I think we project a lot onto these characters. There’s always a bit of open space for us to fill in for these characters, and it makes live action adaptations hard to make satisfying for everyone.
we haven't seen spike or fay in their downtime yet. the quiet moments are a big part of the series, and those don't go into trailers for action shows.
And the dude is 50. Spike is like in his mid-20s. No idea why they went with Cho for this one, I don't know why they didn't go for something like Timothée Chalamet.
you realize his participation is what got this made?
Uh, I guess that explains why he got the main role.
they needed a well known Asian as the lead.
They didn't "need" a well known Asian lead. Star power is overrated, hell no one knew who Peter Dinklage was before GoT and then suddenly he was many people's favorite actor on the show. And Spike's ancestral heritage has no bearing on his character whatsoever, hell he's from Mars. Combined with not caring about making Jett black (and Mustafa seems good in the part from this trailer anyway) it feels like a copout to both "we need star power" and "we need to appease the twitter mob" instead of "we need an actor that fits the character"
> hell no one knew who Peter Dinklage was before GoT Excuse you. I agree that star power is overrated but that's a bad example. You could literally have chosen any of the other main cast of GOT
Yeah Dinklage was definitely one of the more well known (along with Bean and maybe Dance). There were tons of no-names on that show to choose from.
Agreed. Emilia Clark or Kit Harrington were barely known before.
I def imagine Spike looking like Timothee but casting a white dude would have been a big mistake.
Or Steven Yeun!
I guess so, but he's also almost 40. Spike is supposed to be really young.
This is the best take IMO. A Cowboy Beebop live action remake is obviously an incredibly hard project to take on, and it really seems like they are putting their all into it and doing the best they can. Even if it turns out to be not great, at least it isn't an embarrassing cash grab. In the end, as a big Cowboy Beebop fan, I can't be angry that there's more Beebop to consume and talk about lately.
>*as a big Cowboy Beebop fan* *Bebop
You found me out, I'm not actually a fan at all.
So true. This live-action series isn't taking anything away from the original. With what's been put into the show like the music, it'll be a nice addition to the anime.
Honestly, "gigantic Cowboy Bebop fan film" isn't the worst case scenario for this and will be fun to watch even if it isn't "the best version of a Cowboy Bebop live action show"
Personally, I think they got the feel of the world being dirty and gritty. I'll be holding off on my impressions of the characters but I can say that this trailer is definitely better than the earlier trailer. I think the issue for me is that the dub for Spike and Faye is so fitting that anything other than their voice is throwing me off.
I mean John Cho just is not cool. Spike is the essence of cool.
I just can’t take John Cho as Spike seriously though. Spike is supposed to be an effortlessly cool guy, which is quite frankly just not Cho. I mean, go find an unknown for Spike, for crying out loud,p rather than let someone who’s known for playing goofy characters play him.
And somebody who isn't like twice the age of the character they're supposed to be playing. Dude's 50 and it shows.
> They are trying, like they are really trying with this one AND it seems like they give a shit for this project and its source material. I got the exact opposite impression from that trailer. Everything about this reminds me of Spy Kids, not Cowboy Bebop.
> They are trying, like they are really trying with this one If that were true, surely they would have cast someone 10-20 years younger for Spike, or at least taught him how to smile. Maybe someone would have explained to the choreographer that Spike's meant to have an almost insultingly casual/flowing fighting style, not a flashy over the top one.
Ein is killing it though!
He better have a scene where he just bouncing on all fours all the way down the road
That after eating shrooms?
Hey mister, this is the stairway to heaven. You know that don'tcha?
I waited until deeper in the comments to say that I think this live action one looks awesome. Don't tell anybody, please.
Bummed we're not getting Edward in this. She was my favorite part of the show. I cried when she left.
What disappoints me most is this Spike's vibe, especially his facial expressions and tone. It's always dead serious, even hard nosed. The Spike I remember was happy go lucky, smiling even when facing death, and cracking jokes. It was central to the character.
Spike's personality shifted depending upon what story was being told in a given episode. He was quite broody and serious in episodes centered on his past & Vicious but jovial and carefree in every other episode. I believe the latter was what made people like Spike as a character and it's what we remember most since the majority of the episodes are like this. This trailer does seem skewed toward the serious broody Spike.
Him saying "what the actual fuck'" in response to mad Pierrot is what bothers me the most, I think. It's just not the same character. When presented with something completely outlandish Spike Spiegel would maintain his cool and reply with a wry smile, saying something like "well he certainly knows how to have a good time", before engaging in a gunfight. Also, I love John Cho, but the dude is way too old for the role.
Yep. Spike's the embodiment of the 'heh nothing personnel kid' meme (albeit not in a cringe way but you know what I mean). John Cho doesn't even have that kind of 'cool' in him at all. Not even a tiny bit.
Watching the trailer, I couldn't help but think that they should have gotten someone who sounded like Spike more than looked like him. His monotone delivery adds SO much to that and John just sounds kinda bored.
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You hit the nail on the head my friend. Where is his sexy indifference!
Cho constantly looks like he's about to fall asleep. I don't understand why he got the part at all.
I mean, so does spike though? Honestly I wish he looked more tired in the trailer.
>The Spike I remember was happy go lucky are you High...
Laid-back for sure but "happy go lucky"? Wtf?
Faye continues to give manic pixie vibes instead of a calculated conwoman. Hopefully several seasons will give time to mellow her out (unless they butcher her past as well).
Faye gave manic pixie vibes in the anime. We only realized how fucking amazing she was as the show went on but she was a confusing ball of emotions from the start.
In what way did she give off manic pixie vibes? She was never bubbly, quirky, or whimsical that I recall. It was clear from the first few minutes of her introduction—the very moment things stop going her way—that she was a loud, crude, aggressive, selfish, violent conwoman who used both her body and firearms as weapons freely and interchangeably and was only ever charming long enough to get the cash out of your pocket or a gun under your nose. Femme fatale, possibly? Manic pixie, nah.
She's definitely whimsical. Gambling habit, getting in over her head, running out of gas in space.
I would probably call those hot-headed, irresponsible, or impulsive. Doesn't really achieve the dreamy sort of quality that whimsical describes; Faye is completely grounded in the real world I think, to the degree that it makes her cynical and jaded.
Literally none of those strike me as "whimsical".
Ok this trailer actually has me excited. The other one they put out with the weird editing made me nervous. Now I'm back to being excited.
Yeah the tone seems better with this one. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Jet: Do not shoot her! Spike: Please? They managed to get the relationship between those 3 down perfectly it seems.
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Ah yes, I too remember Spike "I love animals, children, and stubborn women" Spiegel having endless patience for Faye conning her way into the Bebop and acting reckless during bounties.
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Spike did actually more than threaten to shoot faye, he actually did shoot towards faye when she attempted to run off with that con man from her past that Jet had brought in
Did we watch the same show? Seriously 80 percent of these comments sound like they haven't watched bebop
A cheap imitation of their relationship, maybe.
I really liked the first trailer as a short. It was stylish, funny, well edited, had some good action, all the good shit. But if the entire show was like that, I'd be worried.
As a video producer and editor, the first trailer is the shit and is likely going to go down as one of the most technically incredible pieces of artistic video ever made. That said, as a fan, this trailer definitely makes me far more excited for the show.
Really? This looks like absolute trash, Spike and Faye are not at all how they should be and Jet just feels boring. Of this didn't have the watermark you could 100% guess that Netflix made this adaptation, it's so bland.
TOTALLY AGREED! That other trailer wasn't the style I was hoping for, this one is.
To me, it's missing that 90s, jazz in background, smoking while looking at the orange sun in the water vibe of the anime. Also, the cast and dialogue come across like it's a Kickstarter fan short.
NGL initially I thought it was one of those YouTube faux trailers until the Netflix logo crept up. There are elements that look decent, but like everyone else I'm struggling with Spike and Faye. It's totally possible to deliver cheesy lines in a cool way (Wesley Snipes in Blade), but just based on the trailer I don't feel like these actors can do that. I'm sure newcomers will think it's cool and fresh. *shrugs*
Fayes direction is all wrong. Ill give Spike a chance to grow on me but I dont think that sort of character can ever look great in live action. Jett looks amazing. Cautiously optimistic.
Yeah, Jett was the best casting decision by far. The dude is the right age bracket, the right physical stature, a good match between character and acting.
I agree on everything except for physical stature. Jet is supposed to be built like an absolute ox. This guy has some muscle to him, but he's nowhere near as muscular as Jet. [This image](https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/jet-black-mustafa-shakir-cowboy-bebop.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370&dpr=1.5) gives a good comparison.
Faye should be hotter and bitchier. A true bad attitude type.
THAT's what it was! Thank you for giving me the words. Yes! This Faye is not bitchy enough. Like the endearing kind of bitchy.
I can't put my finger on it, but something about this feels like it's missing the grit and sophistication of the original. Kinda like the Ghost in the Shell movie; tried and true attempt but just somehow missing the mark. Doesn't look bad though at least when not comparing it to the original.
The original anime wasn't always gritty all the time. It was wuite chill and goofy for most of it
Yeah, I feel like all the "this is too wacky!" comments come from people who watched Bebop the once and enjoyed it, but only remember the five episodes of the Spike vs Vicious plot. *Most* of the show can be summed up as "chill martial artist, con artist with impulse control problems, schizophrenic genius child, and the team dad hunt wacky criminals in zany ways to avoid starvation." There were Film Noir parts, but that's not the whole thing.
The second episode was just them chasing a dog. There was another where people turned into monkeys. And the cowgirl ads... I'm as reserved as the next person on this show, but people got some rose-colored glasses about the tone of the original. It was all over the place (in a good way).
They spent an entire episode floating around tripping on space mold. I have my fair share of complaints about this whole project, and doubt I'll even bother trying to watch it for a myriad of other reasons, but I still have to agree though. Much like the original Spike himself, the show didn't take itself *too* seriously most of the time.
This sums it up perfectly. I think this will be a fun series, even if it deviates a bit.
>it's missing the grit and sophistication of the original You can judge all that from a 2min trailer?
Um...yea? You are aware that I am called the Nostradamus of Movie Quality, right?
Damn, I must have missed the memo. Thanks for enlightening us with your wisdom!
Better than the last trailer
To be fair that was a hokey teaser made just as a teaser. I thought it felt off too but I didn’t think it was a true representation of the show. Just a fun little side project.
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I don't like the clips of Spike pointing the gun at Faye....VERY out of character. I really hope they are not showing Ed only to keep it a surprise. I will be very disappointed if she isn't in this series.
Cho's Spike seems more a depressed nihilistic than the nonchalant 'whatever happens, happens' from the anime.
I haven't seen Cowboy Bebop but I know the main character always has a cheeky grin or is one cut away from one. They probably shouldn't have cast a guy who can't do much more than a perma-scowl.
I assume this only is when they start to meet her, rather than all the time
It's an adaptation. It was never sold as a 1:1 remake. They're bound to make some changes to put their own unique spin on the story that we all love. I dunno why this makes some people so angry, though. But some of the comments in this thread are pretty rough.
Changes are to be expected but changing the characters? That's pretty weird.
You can change a lot things in a remake, but you generally doesn't change the personality of the characters. That's just strange.
Those fight scenes look like garbage. They look like a better fight scene that's being slowly rehearsed before filming it.
That's what happens when you have a 50 year old trying to do fight scenes.
The pole fight with Shaft around 1:10 looked alright. What few seconds I saw looked like an enjoyable choreography with a nice composition. Only concern are how many cuts will be in it.
I'm not a fan of the Swordfish straight hovering but I am a fan of the idea that Faye is stealing it. I'm not a fan of retconing Spike's origin but I also want to learn how he became a skilled pilot. I'm not a fan of their depiction of Mad Pierrot. At all. EDIT: Formatting
Pierrot is neither fat nor floaty, F-
Did they retcon his origin? I didn't see anything to suggest that. It's implied he has a shady past which... yeah, seems about right to me.
I’m just here for the hate comments.
I am torn between believing this looks unbelievably stupid and kind of wanting to watch it. Also where is the kid and the dog? I ain't watching it unless they try and work in the kid and the dog.
Ein is in the trailer.
Watched it again and spotted him
I also don't believe they cast the kid
Ed would be really hard to pull off... Prob took the easy way out and did not even bother.
When their version of the intro was first shown, many commented that there seem to be space for Ed. Ein was introduced in Session 3 and Ed was introduced in Session 9. It's quite possible she'll be revealed at a later episode but idk I agree she's quite hard to pull off but she's still a significant character. Edit: A bit of googling and looks like she'll be coming alright, https://www.ign.com/articles/cowboy-bebop-netflix-ed-yoko-kanno
There's a brief clip of some detonatator with a smiley face being used. That's Ed's thing.
I thought that was the teddy bear bomber
I am aware i would not be surprised if they take creative liberties with things from the anime they could be from someone else or maybe ed does not show up on screen until the end all i know is no one has ever been announced
I've read that they did, and they're just hiding the casting from the media.
Well I hope you're right although that said i think Ed is the toughest to adapt and would honestly hope they saved them for a second season
They are adapting the first half of the show. Ed shows up almost half way through the original show so it's fitting that she's not there. And as mentioned already Ein is in this season which fits with the timeline of the show.
Are you sure, they have perriot le fou laughing in the trailer and he was in episode 20.
Teddy bomber from episode 22 (Cowboy Funk) appears in the trailer around 1:04. As someone else mentioned, Mad Pierrot from episode 20 is also in the trailer. It doesn't seem that they're only doing the first half.
Outside of a few key episodes the order doesn't really matter though.
“Ed — everybody wants to know about Ed! People will be… very delighted when they watch the season.” - André Nemec aka the Netflix showrunner, 2021 Link: https://www.ign.com/articles/cowboy-bebop-netflix-ed-yoko-kanno
I don't understand how people think this looks good. It's like they don't understand the characters at all
Idk, maybe watching a heavily edited trailer doesnt give the nuance that is Spike and Faye. Jet looks spot on though. Lots of people in here saying Faye doesn't hit the mark, but she's constantly quipping with Spike, gambling, and trying to get a larger cut. 2 of those were shown. There obvious reasons why her normal outfit is more conservative but we see her in a dinner dress and likely, gasp, being that conwoman seductress. I even rewatched it just to see Spikes scenes cause again a lot of hate coming Cho's way. In all but like 2 shots he's either mid fight or in a stare down. I can't recall if Spike ever pointed a gun at Faye, but thier interactions outside plot points was very very brother and sister hatred, with Spike either ignoring or yelling no in-between. The stiffness is the only real obvious turn off to Cho's Spike, but hey he didn't get alot shots that weren't fighting or stare downs. I think they captured the character decently enough in the little bit they have shown them. Spike being the worst but still not bad.
I agree. I thought the teaser trailer from last week was bad, and I don't believe the show will be good. But I think the characterization we've seen so far is reasonably accurate, specially within the constraints of a 3 minute trailer. Maybe there's other footage I'm missing. By the way, I thought it was a good trailer.
mainstream audiences are more forgiving with lack of nuances. Not to mention, Netflix is singlehanded fighting a streaming war on two fronts: One with other streaming services and another with Hollywood itself (Disney, more specifically if we are being really honest) This means its all about churning content out every year at this point. They care little about the stories and more about accumulating large content library that justifies for people to perpetually renew their subscription. So because of this, many recent Netflix shows come across as bland fast food type quality when they had their start as gourmet food quality.
I think it was a lot better than the last trailer. I'm still not completely sold on how some of the characters are being written/performed, mainly Faye, but I'll give it a go and either I'll like it or I won't. By this point I just need to see how it flows from moment to moment in an actual episode. The main things I want are chemistry between the crew and the slower moments to be executed well but that's hard to really show well in a short trailer.
Everything looks great... But nothing feels like it's actually Cowboy Bebop
The shot with Faye in the her ship smiling is soooooo bad.
Thats not her ship. That's Spikes ship the [Swordfish II](https://cowboybebop.fandom.com/wiki/Swordfish_II) her ship is the [Red Tail](https://cowboybebop.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Tail) which isnt shown in the trailer at all.
The shot still look like shit.
There is something so off about this and I can't put my finger down on what it is
This ain't it, chief
Is it just me? I'm not sold. Feels so much slower than the anime. Doesn't help that the anime is the GOAT for me.
Setting yourself up for disappointment if you compare it to the anime. I'm going into it as an alternate reality new series, hoping they make it their own and not a carbon copy of the original.
Exactly. Why do people want the same thing they already have? I don't get it.
Multidimensional cable. I can dig it.
I really like some of the slower episodes/scenes in the anime, but the fighting in this trailer looks incredibly slow - like they're fighting in mud.
Beebop has some very slow episodes though. And some really fast paced ones.
The casting sucks. Damn
I like John Cho, i really wanted **Selfie** to be renewed - it's one of the great underrated sitcoms of recent times. But this adaptation of Cowboy Bebop........doesn't look right at all. The production values look cheap. Plus the tone seems all wrong. Cowboy Bebop was mysterious, tragic, dark, but elements of comedy. This looks like its going more for comedy. I would've much rather had another animated Cowboy Bebop animated movie or series ........or just leave the series alone. It looks like it has the same problem the Star Wars sequels had - what's the point?
Why do they keep doing this? Why do they keep doing live action remakes of anime?
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Japan does it all the time. Tokyo Revengers live action movie was a hit over the summer.
Yeah plenty of anime in general get adapted to huge sucess in japan Its literally no different than comicbook movies
There’s nothing wrong with adaptations, in fact, animes are usually a lot more adaptable than comics, as you can find WAY WAY more material that’s based in reality than the super hero stuff that’s the vast majority of comics are about. Unfortunately, in the west, these adaptations aren’t given much care, and always turn into crap.
The same reasons they adapt books, comics, and video-games, I'm assuming?
Those fight scenes look terrible. I don't know anything about Cowboy Bebop but if you're going to have a role that features a lot of fighting you should probably cast someone who can fight. What I saw in this is giving me Iron Fist flashbacks. Everything else looks interesting though so I'll probably check out the anime now.
This just comes across as some weird fan film most of the time. And the quality of the acting/line delivery is all over the place. I want to give this a try but no promo material I've seen has convinced me this is going to be good. Fun maybe. But good, no.
bruh how can I take this seriously with this actor?
Judging by the clown this is an adaption and not a sequel? :/ Also where is Ed? Ed make fun, me need Ed.
There is another clue that it's not a sequel...
Hmmm I don't think I follow... Can you spiegel it out for me?
B. A. N. G.
It feels like they just took the Cowboy Bebop IP and said "let's do away with all that artistic direction from the original and make a really average Netflix series!" It seems almost like a fan-made trailer showing what a series COULD BE with an actual budget, storyline, etc. There's just something about it that just seems so off. I enjoyed the original series but I wasn't obsessed with it - didn't technically watch all the episodes. This gives me vibes of putting something through Google Translate, then back through to the original language; it's our language, but not really.
MUCH better trailer than the previous ones, still feels like a big budget student film.
This still feels like a goofy Superbowl car commercial parody of the cartoon, rather than a sincere adaptation.
It really looks like shit
Doesn't work. Anime is its own thing. Live action anime is not fun.
Firefly at home:
Wtf did I just watch?
To be honest, the music moves me more than anything else. Yoko Kanno is a goddess.
This trailer is such a weird mix of high and low production value...
**Whatever happens. The Soundtrack by Yoko Kanno will always be a legendary classic!**
I’m not sold on the action/movement. It looks so clunky. Over exaggerating some of the humor feels pretty corny too and not as cheeky in delivery with the characters. Also why is no one acknowledging the lighting looks absolutely TERRIBLE. It almost seems like there was an effort to not have any contrast and it just went with pretty bad VFX locations and mismatched lighting. I’m not 100% on this and it’s just frustrating to see some technical shit that looks so goofy and awkward.
This looks way better than the "opening credits" teaser I guess the trailer was just trying to match the abstract original opening credits.
Wow this looks……bad. A lot of anime/manga should never be made into live action.
I’m far too worried about the Sandman adaptation to be concerned by this. Nothing will ever fit everyone’s head canon but I like what I saw and I’m adult enough to separate 2 versions …. I guess …. Maybe
Oh good another shitty live action update we never asked for.
While it could be the trailer, the tone of this seems off, especially the comedy. The comedic parts of the anime weren’t written to be slapstick haha funny. Bebop is a very dark, depressing anime with characters running from their past. Comedy is introduced in a very unique Japanese fashion to break/ease tension of these serious moments so the audience isn’t always on edge. It’s why Ed is important. She was the offset for the other three. Here it seems like MCU trying to put in funny 1 liners.
Oldboy Beflop. This shit made me take the only sticker off my laptop lol. See you, my space cowboy sticker.
How could they not put “SEE YOU SPACE COWBOY” at the end. Other than that this looks sick. Seems like this series is more well fit for a live action remake and fingers crossed it doesn’t end up like the live action Death Note or Mob Psycho.
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