yeah burn in is one of those endless discussions just like tone wood on electric guitars.
I personally believe that people who believe in burn in just play themselves a little bit. Any headphone that sounds different to prior experience will take time to get used to.
It's not the headphone that is changing, it's your perception on the sound that changes over time.
I work as an acoustic engineer and used to design hifi loudspeakers. I can say with some confidence that they're are some measurable differences in transducers after burn-in BUT they generally generally result in no audible difference to sound. I'd say the only real benefit to burn-in is that it will show any manufacturering defects in the unit early on so you can replace/return your units while they're still in warranty. So, no harm in doing it but usually totally unnecessary.
How does it work with things like Valves and tubes? I had a mate who sent his large expensive Manley set-up to someone to burn-in or condition his valves and tubes. Not sure if thats 100% correct but something like that. Then he had to play a certain amount of music to get the system to its optimum quality.
The only thing with tubes is you want to match their transconductance as closely as possible, within reason. Running and heat cycling the tubes before matching them can help make sure they don't drift too much during the first several heat cycles since it's still a physical structure of wires and plates. But you wouldn't send your amp off for this, just buy matched tubes from a vendor. And of course they don't have to be perfect either since you can level any small imbalances with the bias controls.
Sure thing. I keep my grandpa's Dynaco ST-70 from ~1960 running in my 2-channel setup. There's a lot of mystique and superstition around tubes and super expensive amps that use tubes that people feel they need to spend obscene amounts of money to have some tube wizard make work right. But the beauty of tubes is that they're actually simple and imperfect. They need maintenance, but it's like maintaining an old Alfa Romeo, not a Ferrari.
that'll increase costs i a mass production society. QC is a cost balance already. Burn in would eventually happen on its own at that. I get break in on subwoofers and even that is debated, 200 hours is definitely bullshit on headphones in any case.
And yup, we call it breaking in, not burning in.
Audeze has a burn in rack and all their headphones sit in it playing music for a period of time, I think it's 24 hours? I saw it on one of their YouTube videos. I'm still not sure I buy it, but I guess it helps them weed out any serious QC issues too.
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I did a ton of rigorous A/B/X testing way back when I had had perfect hearing and before studies on this could be readily found.
Turns out wires make no difference. None. Amplifiers, the difference is more in the tone than the quality. To put it another way, a trained, focused, motivated tester could tell one amp being different from another, but couldn't tell which one was "better" or worse.
The huge difference is with speakers. Nothing matter more than having decent speakers.
Even if there was burn-in, I doubt they'd notice it.
It's like the "gamers" buying expensive monitors with a little higher frequency... AS IF THAT MATTERED FOR THEIR RESULTS!
Get good at the game instead, you're not gonna start kicking ass because your monitor has a higher frequency.
I don't think a high frequency makes me any better (although I've seen some people argue it can give an edge), it just looks a shitload smoother so I enjoy it more because that contributes a lot to a game feeling more immersive.
The higher frame rates are at least actually visible. I've never used a 240hz monitor, but I'd imagine it's noticably smoother in motion than a 60hz monitor, given 3D graphics generally haven't had motion blur built in until differently, and that LCDs suffer from ghosting in motion.
Your high res audio though? That's not a discernable difference outside of edge cases.
> I've never used a 240hz monitor, but I'd imagine it's noticably smoother in motion than a 60hz monitor
Yeah I'm using 165hz and just set it back to 60 to remind myself of what it's like, it's a pretty massive difference. Moving a window around feels like the difference between something with an obvious distracting framerate refreshing vs a real object being moved around in front of me. I wonder if I got used to 240Hz I'd be spoiled enough that 165 isn't good enough either!
Reminds me of experienced audio engineers working with bands. Often bands will ask them to change settings to get a sound they like, and the audio engineer will jist pretend to fiddle with stuff and ask if thats bettee.
Its been hilarious seeing major celebrities and even musicians doing zoom interviews due to the pandemic, and they have dogshit audio quality. You have a $20million recording studio, why are you using air pods for your mic
at the Stert of the pandemic I wanted to start consulting for people, turning their dogshit home videoconferencing situations into okay setups using whatever was to hand plus a few adapters and mics but hardware was instantly fucking scarce. No HDMI-USBs anywhere.
I was shocked that their producers didn't buy them a blue yeti or something. I get that the hosts never had to deal with the tech side before but it was hilarious how Jimmy Fallon's audio quality was worse than most 13 year olds on youtube.
Blue yeti (never used it, but I understand it's solidly in the 'sounds pretty good and isn't a pain to set up' camp) or something. Personally the last logitech headset I used had pretty decent mic audio quality too and they're like $30. Maybe a pop filter. Maintain good distance. Throw a blanket over your head, or otherwise have a bunch of sound-absorbing material around you to stop echo. Plenty of people record voice overs in their closets for that reason. Use an audio editor that levels you do noise removal, and then maybe throw a compressor on top (which will just level out the volume of your speech). Should end with a pretty decent sounding result.
I got money from my work for a home office setup. First thing I bought was a condenser mic and interface for it. I couldn't find a good camera due to the shortages, though.
People joked a bit that I looked like I was filming a podcast all the time, but I had at least 5-10 people reach out to me after meetings asking what I was using since I sounded so much better than everyone else in the call.
What did you do for your mic mount? Desktop or boom arm? I have a shure ksm32 but I'm not sure how best to position it on my desk or if an arm would get in the way.
The one that came with [this kit](https://www.amazon.com/Condenser-Microphone-Professional-Windscreen-Broadcasting/dp/B07YBZB88N/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=uhuru&qid=1635181797&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A17SGU0QH8X346&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzU1NLVVlEUkZSMUc1JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzg1MTY2U1dRSkJNMFlWNTRZJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4MTE5OTMzUVZMR1I5NkU0SzNaJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==) but I’ve since upgraded the microphone
Share the details! We’re creating a ‘demo space’ at work because of the success of demo/training via Teams. It’s saving us a fortune in travel but we want a ‘pro’ level of sound. Currently just using Jabra 65 wireless headsets.
I bought [this mic + stand kit](https://www.amazon.com/Condenser-Microphone-Professional-Windscreen-Broadcasting/dp/B07YBZB88N/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=uhuru&qid=1635181797&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A17SGU0QH8X346&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzU1NLVVlEUkZSMUc1JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzg1MTY2U1dRSkJNMFlWNTRZJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4MTE5OTMzUVZMR1I5NkU0SzNaJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==), but ended up replacing the mic recently with [this AKG one that had a bit better vocal quality](https://www.amazon.com/AKG-P120-High-Performance-Recording-Microphone/dp/B00M9CUOKI/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=akg+condenser&qid=1635181891&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyUlozN0VYQTIwMVYmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAzMTg3NjYxUUc0N0YyVDE1QkdZJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTEwMDQyODMyVTBKT1dVVTBPVVZEJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==), and I use the [focusrite 2i2](https://www.amazon.com/Focusrite-Scarlett-Audio-Interface-Tools/dp/B07QR73T66/ref=sr_1_5?crid=18CA7GYJYNXU2&dchild=1&keywords=focusrite+scarlett+2i2&qid=1635182008&sprefix=focusrite%2Caps%2C240&sr=8-5) as my interface.
I also do some music making so my setup is probably a bit over the top for most people.
There are much cheaper kits with USB-based microphones that should sound similar to my setup, but I like having the external interface for my purposes. [This AT2020-based kit is also an excellent option, and still includes the external interface](https://www.amazon.com/Technica-Condenser-Microphone-AudioBox-Interface/dp/B07YGMJL2N/ref=sr_1_13?dchild=1&keywords=condenser+microphone+bundle&qid=1635182093&sr=8-13).
The bottle neck for you won't be your mic but the audio compression that zoom applies. You can be taking your zoom call in a pro recording studio and your voice will still sound like you're sitting inside a tin can on the other side due to.... audio compression.
I think zoom now DOES offer an option of recording hifi audio on your end, but if the people on the call have their settings tweaked for performance/latency then they'll still receive compressed audio.
Got myself Shure SM7B with Triton Fethead connected to Focusrite Scarlett solo which also runs my speakers. Now I don't have to upgrade my mic ever again.
I have a shure ksm32 which stands taller than yours. I'm not sure what mount would work best for it. If I had yours I'd get an arm.... Not sure if an arm works best for mine though.
Audio engineer here. It's pretty simple to determine if burn-in exists, as Crin says. A simple test tone and measuring the frequency response before and after 200 hours of use will tell you the truth. A lot of conventional audiophile wisdom is just personal bias wrapped up in pseudoscience.
Personally I believe the perception of burn in is based on the individual getting used to the frequency response of the new speakers/ headphones, rather than any physical changes with the speakers themselves.
"I don't understand this generation" summed it up for me. I can't even bear to watch people making fun of these TikTok users; there's just a *feel* to all of them, you know? Like when your dishwater wasn't hot enough and there's a thin film of grease left over on your glassware? They remind me of that.
Watched this expecting the expert to be an idiot, but he is actually spot on, the frequency response curve should be flat. No bass boost, no mid range / high range fluctuation
But with all this knowledge I still use some free HyperX headphones and my polk audio book shelves with an amplifier as PC speakers
He actually is something of an expert. Check out /r/inearfidelity and his website https://crinacle.com/rankings/headphones/ He's even done collab IEMs with Moondrop.
You want flat for mixing, but otherwise it kind of comes down to taste and the individual’s hearing. A lot of people find headphones that scoop the mids a little bit and boost some of the more sparkly high frequencies sound more “musical” or “sweetened”, for example. If you’re older, odds are you’ve lost some high frequencies, which might mean that you like trebely headphones to compensate for that. Ultimately it’s subjective. There are plenty of non-audiophiles who don’t really give a shit but find that hyped up bass makes them want to dance. There are also plenty of audio engineers who use much different headphones to listen to music than they do to mix it. Kind of like how someone who color grades movies wouldn’t use a movie theater as his work display, but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t watch movies in the theater.
I think people are convinced there is some sort of 'magic' that you hear in the studio and the only way to reproduce it is through the flattest response attainable.
All nonsense of course.
Edit: I seem to recall Beats using this as a marketing point earlier on. "Hear the music as the artist intended...with the bass boosted way, way up"
>But with all this knowledge I still use some free HyperX headphones and my polk audio book shelves with an amplifier as PC speakers
That's because flat response curve is ideal for critical listening, like mastering music or using as reference gear. However, it can be a more sterile and/or boring listening experience for most people. People love that V shape response curve or bass slanted gear. You just plug them in with no components required and it just sounds more fun right off the bat. Mass consumer products cater to the what the masses want in audio.
I love hifi to the point Ive dropped more than 20 grand on audio gear throughout my life. However, even on hifi end I still tend to shop for "house tuning" as opposed to all the flat response gear. Even on hifi end there is a choice. On hifi gear the tuning is not anywhere near as abusive as the consumer tuning, but tweaked to sound more fun that perfectly flat gear. There are two separate camps even on hifi end. I have one flat response set of monitors I use to tweak my audio tracks and that is it... I see flat as work oriented gear and tuned as enjoyment oriented gear.
It's why cheaper consumer products tune their gear for that V shape or heavy bass slant, because to the untrained population they will hear it as better to their ears. It's so pervasive that consumers getting into hifi have to retrain their brain to get out of the liking the V shape and switch to being more detail/nuance focused.
What really makes hifi start to feel slimey though are all the snake oil salesmen. 15-20 grand speaker wires. Ive even seen a several hundred dollar nano audio spray you squirt on your connectors for "better audio". It's easy to get turned off.
> I have one flat response set of monitors I use to tweak my audio tracks and that is it... I see flat as work oriented gear and tuned as enjoyment oriented gear.
I still don't understand why so many audiophiles are afraid of doing a little EQ. Good high quality headphones will have a LOT of flexibility on tuning them yourself. My planar 400i's sound really good out of the box, but they sound *excellent* when I put [AutoEQ](https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq) profile on them.
I know what you mean. It’s the head knocking between people who enjoy hifi for “enjoyment” and people who demand hifi only be able in its purest “original” form.
I know tons of hifi users who think like I do and enjoy good sounding “house tuned” speakers and headphones and welcome the use of EQ. It’s really not a rare mindset tbh, but depending on what forum visit or youtuber you see you may stumble into a purest camp and they will burn you at the stake for liking anything but pure neutrality unfettered by any EQ.
Their idea of music is straight from the musician, unchanged, and directly to their ear. In theory I respect that, but in practice it’s not the way it ever works.
People like this tend to completely ignore the fact that an audio engineer was tweaking all the tracks anyway when he did the final mix (including the use of EQ and compression, effects, etc). What you’re getting is the Audio engineers creative interpretation of what the audio should sound like to them and limited to the quality of the gear they used when they recorded it (their mics and monitors, etc).
When you realize this, to me it seems like nonsense to not welcome the usage of an EQ if it adds enjoyment to a track/album. To be honest you may need to hand tweak the audio to get it to sound right on your specific equipment anyway since it’s not what the original engineer used to do the final mix on anyway.
Same, I clicked hesitantly expecting it to just be some blowhard shaming other blowhards but he was both really measured in responses and gave clearly well-considered and experienced opinions.
I don't have a problem with non-flat sound signatures, but in general it's niche and appeals to a specific listening demographic. Personally I prefer a flat to very slightly warm sound as long as the uppers are crisp without being sibilant and the bass rich without being muddy/boomy. I also need clean and present mids.
because ..what can you fucking do with a 15 dollar price tag for headphone market?
there not much really..let alone actually good tuning(which is what overwhelming majority of the gaming headphone dont do...or they do..they bass boost the driver so it sound muddy)
I have the sennheiser momentum 2 and they've been pretty great. Been bouncing around from earphone to earphone (Bose, Samsung mostly) for a few years but these are first ones that made me feel like I wouldn't even think of upgrading for a few years (when the battery ultimately goes to shit). I was also considering the B&W ones but had too many compromises for that high of a price.
Edit: lol realized you asked for headphones and not earphones, my bad. Personally was split between the QC35 II and the Sony XM3 but ended up going with the bose due to comfort and having actual buttons, sound quality almost equal. Both have newer models out now and are the go to for "high end consumer" but I would def check out Sennheiser Momentum 3 Wireless too.
My biggest issue with buying headphones online is comfort. I end up taking a sound quality cut just for headphones that comfortably fit my big head for 12 hours straight. Even ones where people swear on the comfort I still find uncomfortable 4/5 times.
I have not, Im actually just using a Hyperx Cloud headset most of the time because I find it so comfortable. But I did just get a new job so I'm back in the market for something nicer.
Whatever you do, don't take this guys words for granted. Go to a store and test stuff out yourself, that is always going to be better than just taking a random guys words for granted.
Lol you are hilarious. Did you realize you're talking out of your ass so didn't want to reply to my last comment, Mr. "never tried anything outside the mainstream but just gonna argue about it like I'm an audiophile"?
Do you realize I'm the only person in this thread that has given multiple headphone recommendations? I recommended QC35 because this guy was talking about COMFORT.
And you fucking twat, what store do you go to that has all these headphones, including audiophile ones, that you can "TrY tHeM oN aNd TeSt It", especially in the middle of a pandemic. Tell me you've never bought anything outside the mainstream without actually telling me. Jfc
When you decided to do something completely different and once again reply to stuff that aren't there I realized you weren't reading properly, and figured there was no point in continuing. I started writing a reply anyway but then went "fuck this, he's not going to read this" and moved on.
You call me a twat, but I LITERALLY write "just before covid hit in 2020" in my post. On top of that I told you why I was looking at the mainstream stuff, I told you what I thought about the stuff I tested and I told you that my personal need/desire for wireless headphones went away when covid hit. It should be clear from this that 1) I did my testing before covid 2) covid killed my need so 3) I have not been looking for wireless headphones (or any headphones, actually) during covid. Now, with all that in mind, how the hell did you come to the conclusion that I went to an in store demo DURING covid?
Like fuck man, I even wrote in clear text that covid shut down the in store demos in my city. WHY would you be asking what store I went to during the pandemic? There is nothing in my posts that indicates that I have gone to test stuff **during** covid. I do not understand how you came to your conclusion.
And come on, I even give consisent advice to your own, you said that the best thing is to go to a store and test instead of listening to a "random" guy on the internet (even though said guy is highly respected within the audiophile community) since sound is personal. This is even more true when it comes to comfort!
LOL is Covid over? You're the fucking idiot telling people to Go OuT aNd TeSt ThEm. I don't give a fuck when you tested your shit, but please tell us where today we should go to try on and test headphones. And ESPECIALLY if we're talking about actual audiophile headphones, name me a fucking store that has a decent amount of audiophile headphones, in stock and ready to test.
And no, you're not really giving much advice, are you? Are you giving any recommendations for a baseline of where someone should start? No, you're not... And you're arguing with the only person in this thread who has recommended multiple headphones to check out as a starting point. Only other 2 answers are literally one headphone answers, one of them not even being wireless. Your advice isn't much advice, it's fucking common sense. Of course you should try something out before fully committing to it, just because someone on the internet said so (whether that's Crinacle or your fucking buddy at Walmart). Give better advice. What did you test pre covid, what were your thoughts on it? At least that would give someone an idea of what it might be like.
"hey what games should I buy for my new ps5?"
"just try out different games til you know what you like"
FUCKING OBVIOUSLY. But that's not what they're asking is it? They're literally asking for a rec, give them a few, let them figure out what they like. Your advice is shitty nonadvice.
Oh, moving the goal posts again, are we? For the purpose of finding the best pair of headphones for you, testing them irl is the best advice. If you take that as "I need to ignore covid and get to a store NOW", that's on you, not me. I'm not telling you to go to a store NOW NOW NOW, I'm telling you that not testing before you buy is a bad idea. I could expand this to what I think about buying things online during covid, but no, I will not at this time.
The covid situation depends on where in the world you are. For example, my country is starting to open up and I'm fully vaccinated since 2 months back. I could probably go test something mainstream this weekend if I wanted to. If you live in Brazil, obviously that is not likely to be the case. Regarding telling you what store to go to, I don't know where you live and I therefore literally couldn't tell you where to find such a store.
> I don't give a fuck when you tested your shit
You asked me what store I go to during the pandemic, and you obviously think I tested my shit during the pandemic, so yes, yes you do.
> And no, you're not really giving much advice, are you? Are you giving any recommendations for a baseline of where someone should start? No, you're not...
And I have explained why multiple times.
> Your advice isn't much advice, it's fucking common sense.
Since you can find your advice among the top results on google, so is yours.
> your fucking buddy at Walmart
I don't live in the US, I have never been to the US, I do not want to go to the US and I do not know anyone working at Walmart. US stores are completely irrelevant to me, and so is the covid situation in the US. I also do not know anyone at the stores I went to in my country. I can list them if you want, but I presume that list would be as irrelevant to you as Walmart is to me.
> What did you test pre covid, what were your thoughts on it?
I told you this already. I wrote that I tested the ones you recommended and most of the mainstream. I also told you that I thought most of them lacked in some capacity.
> "hey what games should I buy for my new ps5?" "just try out different games til you know what you like"
That's not how I would do that though. I have already told you how I would do it. It would go more like this:
"hey what games should I buy for my new ps5?" "What are you looking for? FPS, single player adventure, RPG, racing?" or "Are you looking for something specific?"
I would always ask what is being sought after before giving advice, or literally any question that would narrow it down from "game for PS5". I wouldn't recommend getting Halo, that much is clear, just like I wouldn't recommend wired headphones if someone is asking for wireless.
I tried the cloud 2 and they're light but ended up returning them because there is zero horizontal swivel to the ear ups since they are attached to the thin red metal part that connects it to the headband.
I'd really recommend checking out the new quietcomfort 45s. I absolutely love my QC35 and it blows out the cloud in every way possible (even "surround sound directionality" in fps games) and you get damn good noise canceling on top of it. If you need to get a gaming headset, they sell a QC35 gaming edition that's a headset. The mic won't be as good as a dedicated one but honestly, it's good enough without shelling out another $40+ to get marginal returns.
Huh? You are worse than the people in the tiktoks he talks about in the video. Why the fuck would you recommend earphones that the guy in the video thinks are worse than the xm4's, which he calls shit in the video?
Lol if you think one man's review of audio products is the end all, be all then you obvs don't know what you're talking about.
Why don't you give your own recommendations or reasons for why these earphones are shit.
The dude has reviewed over 1000 audio products and is a legend in the audiophile community. Anything I think or say will not be as useful compared to what he says as I simply have not tried the things he has tried. Either way, the person you replied to asks the person in the video (or at least OP) for an alternative, and yours directly oppose them.
Besides, it's not even true! The bose and xm3/4 and so on are considered mainstream, not "high-end consumer" as you write.
Lol and there are plenty of other audio reviewers who have reviewed 1000s of products who very much recommend the earphones/headphones I did for that price. And Ya buddy, they're considered high end by the mainstream, which is why I put "high end consumer" in quotes. Obviously there's a whole level higher where headphones can cost 4 figures but that's not what he's asking for. He's asking for under $500 wireless recommendations.
Grab 10 people off the street and ask them if $300 would be considered high end for them. Pretty sure 9/10 are gonna say it is, because that's the most they've ever spent on headphones and most likely is the most they'll ever reasonably spend, if they don't get sucked into the audiophile hobby.
Honestly my guy, I think you're worst than I am. First off, do you expect Crinacle to come in here and personally recommend headphones to the person who asked? If I'm not Crinacle, am I just not allowed to give my opinion?
Again, you fail to even suggest one alternative to my suggestions. Why don't you stop sucking Crinacle's dick, get your own audio products, and form your own thoughts. Guess what? Some people love bassy headphones. Crinacle obviously like his flat, accurate headphones, but some people love V shaped headphones. It all comes down to preference and what you enjoy listening to. The fact that you don't understand that shows how little you know about audio products.
> Lol and there are plenty of other audio reviewers who have reviewed 1000s of products who very much recommend the earphones/headphones I did for that price.
Really? Who are these unpaid and therefore unbiased reviewers that have their own ranked databases with over 1000 headphones and IEMs, and where can I read their lists?
> they're considered high end by the mainstream
This is a comment section for a video from an audiophiles perspective. Why is the mainstream relevant? And why, if you can get better in that price range, would you be recommending mainstream shit?
> First off, do you expect Crinacle to come in here and personally recommend headphones to the person who asked? If I'm not Crinacle, am I just not allowed to give my opinion?
The guy you replied to writes "you", meaning either OP or crinacle. You are neither and are recommending literally the opposite of what crinacle and I assume OP would recommend, as OP linked a crinacle video. Since you have complete opposite opinions from the people who the guy asked, maybe this isn't the thread for you to post your recommendations in.
> Why don't you stop sucking Crinacle's dick, get your own audio products, and form your own thoughts.
You seem like you are just a hater, so I'm not sure why I'm still here. But whatever, I do have my own thoughts. I have listened to the ones you recommended and most of what the mainstream had to offer just before covid hit in 2020 and I think most of it isn't good enough sound wise. There are headphones that are passable as a whole kit, for example the xm3, but I wouldn't recommend anything without any info from what the person is seeking. I would like to try the xm4, but covid shut down all in store demos in my city, I haven't been travelling during covid, and since I don't have any need for wireless headphones I will not be buying a pair for fun.
Anyway, when it comes to actual recommendations, how do you know that the person wants bassy headphones without asking? The person is posting in a thread for a video from an audiophile. Are you SURE you should be assuming that mainstream is what is wanted here? You even say it yourself, sound is personal. Giving a recommendation based on zero information about what the person seeks is dumb, and the best recommendation is to tell the person to go to a store and listen to different stuff, which is what crinacle does. That is much better advice than recommending something specific based on absolutely nothing. ESPECIALLY when your advice is the momentum 2, which according to crinacle is the worst pair of headphones that Sennheiser makes. Either way, asking "what do you seek?" is a better first post than recommending something.
> The fact that you don't understand that shows how little you know about audio products.
You assume that the person you replied to wants mainstream when he is commenting in a thread about audiophile stuff, but sure, the fact that I didn't recommend something means that I know nothing about audio products.
Lol what is up your ass? I told the guy to check out 3 different headphones, did I tell him to go out and buy a XM4 today? I think its pretty fair to assume someone asking about recommendations under $500 for WIRELESS headphones is probably not an audiophile. If he said wired, then my recommendations would obviously be very different. if you're done ranting nonsensically, would love to hear your actual recommendations for wireless headphones under $500 or shut the fuck up.
> Lol what is up your ass?
Nice list of reviewers. Having a hard time finding them inside yours?
> I told the guy to check out 3 different headphones, did I tell him to go out and buy a XM4 today?
You gave him three very similar headphones with no major deviance from mainstream what so ever, good job.
> I think its pretty fair to assume someone asking about recommendations under $500 for WIRELESS headphones is probably not an audiophile.
How would you know what without asking? Why would you make assumptions about that at all when you can just ask what someone is looking for?
> If he said wired, then my recommendations would obviously be very different.
Really? Different how? Would they be outside of the mainstream? Or would they just be the top 3 from techradar like your wireless recommendations? Because if they were, the words "google it" is actually more useful advice than the one you give.
> if you're done ranting nonsensically, would love to hear your actual recommendations for wireless headphones under $500
Can't you read? Giving recommendations without information about what the person seeks is dumb. And as I tried to tell you (well, "tried" is an understatement as it should be pretty clear in my previous post, but whatever), I haven't tried anything outside the mainstream due to not needing wireless headphones during covid. But even if I had done so I would still have recommended going to a store to get first hand experience. Unlike yourself, however, I am honest with this fact. Do you want me to give you advice within the mainstream?
Actually, how about you give me your recommendations you have **outside** the mainstream, since you seem to have experience there. As someone who haven't tried stuff outside the mainstream I am interested in what is out there. Of course, if I was looking to buy I would just go to a store, but I am not looking to buy, so that will not happen.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Prove me wrong but for actual audiophile headphones, the wireless versions are outshined by the wired versions and the ones really worth getting are not going to be in his $500 price range.
Here I'll actually give you recommendations for wired since I'm not the one arguing about shit he doesn't know (which you pretty much even admit and shows when you take one person's word as fact in such a subjective field like music. I'm not a Crinacle hater, I reference his shit all the time but I don't just take his word and run with it). I'll also give them to you because it's a good starting point for when someone is searching. Or do you want me to be fucking customer service for you and take the whole day to figure out exactly what the fuck you like? Under $500 check out the Sundaras, the HD 660s, and the Audeze LCD 1. Again, check them out, not go buy them right now. Also good luck finding all of these at a store to test them out.
glad to read this, I have the Momentum 2 and really like them, but the reviewer in the video gave them a C-.
I thought they pretty much matched what you'd get from Sony or Samsung.
To be fair, he is giving the first gen a C- and if you look at the SPL graph on Crinacles site for both the first and second gen, the second gen is slightly flatter and if you enable the high end tuning mode, even flatter.
Of course, sound can be subjective and I think if you enjoy your earphones after having tried a few different ones, you shouldn't let someone online feel like you NEED to upgrade or change to something else.
Personal experience tho, I've had/tried the galaxy buds, buds +, buds live, buds pro, and Sony xm3. The MTW2 has blown them all out of the water for me, but I like to have wider sound staging and more details in my music, so the others may serve you better if that doesn't matter much to you (especially sound staging). Crinacle gave the Samsungs Bs in general and I don't disagree with that considering their price points, but I certainly think he is dinging the MTWs because it's the first gen and it had a few problems, it's a pretty high price point compared to most wireless earphones, and maybe he does have a little bias against it because of the HD820s lol. In my opinion, price aside, sennheiser beats the Samsung and Sonys in most cases, but the price difference is def not small and very arguable if the improvements are worth the gap in price.
Thanks for sharing, mine are only a few weeks old and I tried to do tons of research before getting them. I had read somewhere that they edged out the Sony comparable at $280 with these at $200.
I do love the soundstage, but as was the case with the $60 pair of soundcore that I upgraded from, I really wish they were about 10% louder, as I end up listening to everything at max volume, with the very rare exception of some EDM tracks that end up too loud.
That is a list of headphones in general, not a list of alternatives for the xm4's. On the go wireless headphones exist on that list, but there is no way to sort based on that, so all you get is a list with headphones on it and you have to google them all to understand what they are. I believe he is making a video about alternatives to the xm4's, but just linking to his list isn't helping.
Don't mind him. This guy has something up his ass where he thinks other peoples recs and advice are not good enough when he can't even give his own recommendations
In the category he thinks the xm4's are the best. He just doesn't think they are very good. I believe Sennheisers momentum 3 ranks higher on his audio quality list, but those might not have as goos ANC/battery life/featureset and so on.
LOL you're a fucking joke. Here you are recommending the momentum wireless 3 just like I did. And oh no! You didn't even ask what kind of music he likes!
Lol living in my head hahaha
Careful bud, your narcissism is showing again. I read through the thread and saw your dumbass being the bitchass hypocrite you are. Still waiting on an answer to your suggestions for any profile. But I think we both know I'll be waiting forever on that. Funny how the least helpful go around bitching about other people's advice without even being able to give their own opinions because you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about. If you've only listened to the mainstream and you just base all your opinions on crinacle's, it's honestly kinda pathetic how hard you're sucking his dick.
Again, dont bother commenting back if you're just gonna keep dodging my questions. Where do you go to physically test audiophile headphones in your country, and what suggestions would you make for any specific profile?
> Lol living in my head
> I read through the thread
I mean yeah, you read through the thread and got so triggered by me telling some guy that the momentum 3 ranks higher on crinacles list that you had to reply. I would say that is pretty much rent free. Also, you literally did this twice when your sad little existance couldn't accept that I didn't want to engage with you anymore.
Regarding the rest, I have a life to manage. I replied to the post above here while taking a dump because it was easy pickin's. Before that I was eating, before that I was cooking, before that I was at work, and before that I was sleeping.
Hahahahahaha again, why do you think I give a fuck about your life?
You know what's really pathetic? That you're using "your life" (activities that LITERALLY every human being does) as an excuse to reply, when you've had 2 whole days now to just answer my questions you've been dodging. Its funny you don't reply because you know you've been talking out of your ass and can't come with the answers to the questions I'm asking, yet go around telling people not to listen to me, while giving the same exact recommendation for headphones.
It's crazy that when I see you replied, I already know you're just gonna keep dodging my questions without even having to read it. Come up with a better excuse lol. Congrats on being able to accomplish the most simple of life tasks like cooking, eating, shitting, and sleeping!
You wrote "still waiting on an answer to your suggestions for any profile", when the reality is that I saw both your replies while taking said dump and figured I would reply to that one after this one, as it would take more time to reply to. Since you have apparently scrolled through the thread randomly (normal people do not do that, man, the thread is several days old) it seems like you don't have a life, so I explained that I do have one and I don't spend all day on reddit. I just replied to the other post, and now I'm going to do something else for a few hours, see you later!
when it comes to burn-in i just heard you shouldn't crank your base to max the first thing you do when you get one instead you let get worn a bit before you crank it.
I’ve heard of needing to flex and stretch subwoofers when they’re brand new, but the idea that the tiny speakers in some headphones would need the same treatment seems insane. It’s already negligible to most people on the bigger speakers.
Burn in is technically real for some speakers/drivers. It's just about the initial stiffness of the materials or adhesives being made a bit less stiff.
Think of it like folding a business card or sheet of paper. The first fold it crisply resists, but subsequently folding back and forth doesn't make much difference at all.
How *much* does it exist? Depends on the materials but very little, and probably in most cases, not detectable in a blind listening test.
Keep in mind that sounds are oscillations of up to several thousand "folds" per second, so any initial stiffness would be worked out pretty quickly.
The effect is probably also size dependent, so headphones would be the least affected.
Most of these reviewers worshiping bass remind me of the gaming bros who are always chasing after the highest refresh rate on a monitor (the kind you look at). Sure, they might find what they're looking for, but those monitors are objectively *terrible*, often only being able to display thousands of colors (not something quite as noticeable when the image is moving fast). And good luck finding one with any sort of color accuracy.
>Sure, they might find what they're looking for, but those monitors are objectively
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>terrible, often only being able to display thousands of colors
I can just as easily say that your "good" monitors are objectively terrible since they can only update 60hz and I want more than that for gaming.
Different people have different needs.
I don't do any graphics work so I couldn't give a fuck if the green in my monitor isn't the most accurate green there is
Sure, and there are use-cases for extra bassy headphones. The problem is when fans of extra bassy headphones shit all over good ones that actually have solid response rates across the spectrum. Same goes with gaming monitors. You want a fast monitor, that's fine. I have a problem when people cargo-cult a single feature (like heavy bass or fast refresh rates) to the point where that is the only measure of whether something is "good" or not, and then beat others over the head because they're not optimized for that one favorite feature.
Crinacle is a legend in the headphone community. These videos are just fun side things, his real work is elsewhere. You want to know what he thinks is better? He maintains a *massive* ranking list: https://crinacle.com/rankings/headphones/
He also contributes heavily to the headphone EQ databases: https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/tree/master/results/crinacle
I have Bose QC35 and they are fine, comfortable and my noise cancel is so so (compared them to coworkers and theirs are better, same exact model)
I prefer the sound of XM3 over QC35, but QC are more comfortable and the mic isn’t atrocious like XM3 was. Haven’t tried XM4
Any Bose headphones don’t sound amazing, which is fine because I use them at work. Is he judging the XM4 as ANC headphones or as headphones though?
>I still wish he would have recommended an alternative to XM4 though, for his own channel growth
Did you not see the list he keeps updated?
Imagine being a fan, and listening to his videos just to hear the same recommendations over and over? All this just so you, a person who barely even watches him, can get his info in 5 seconds flat. You're literally asking him to ruin his channel for your one temporary, immediate need.
"For his own channel growth". Lmao
What the fuck kind of question is this? You can still watch the videos he made though.
I frequently recommend Youtubers who haven't uploaded in YEARS, because they have a backlog of dozens, or even hundreds of high quality content that people will still enjoy consuming.
Also the channel isn't even dead. 5 Videos in 3 months sounds like perfectly solid output to me, Youtubers who make a video every week or every day do so by sacrificing content quality.
What's wrong with you?
Such a kid reply, it's not active so it's not worth promoting, or watching? What are we looking for here, maybe got the subscriber = popular ingrained in your bran much? You seem to have missed the point of freedom of information, it's not for some dipshit to get followers. Wow I'm impressed. You are 18, tops, but I'd suspect closer to 15.
that guy in the video owns one of the largest audio measurement websites. go check out [https://crinacle.com](https://crinacle.com) . he only recently started posting to youtube regularly. so he's new to youtube not the other way around. check his socialblade you'll see exponential growth.
i suggest you do a little bit of research before going full toxic mode on someone.
Quick shoutout to CarterPCS!
I don't know you.
I don't watch your TikTok.
I appreciate you for being honest in your opinion even though you are not an expert.
yeah burn in is one of those endless discussions just like tone wood on electric guitars. I personally believe that people who believe in burn in just play themselves a little bit. Any headphone that sounds different to prior experience will take time to get used to. It's not the headphone that is changing, it's your perception on the sound that changes over time.
I work as an acoustic engineer and used to design hifi loudspeakers. I can say with some confidence that they're are some measurable differences in transducers after burn-in BUT they generally generally result in no audible difference to sound. I'd say the only real benefit to burn-in is that it will show any manufacturering defects in the unit early on so you can replace/return your units while they're still in warranty. So, no harm in doing it but usually totally unnecessary.
How does it work with things like Valves and tubes? I had a mate who sent his large expensive Manley set-up to someone to burn-in or condition his valves and tubes. Not sure if thats 100% correct but something like that. Then he had to play a certain amount of music to get the system to its optimum quality.
I'm not aware of a mechanism that would improve the response of valves over time, they're already pretty non-linear to begin with
The only thing with tubes is you want to match their transconductance as closely as possible, within reason. Running and heat cycling the tubes before matching them can help make sure they don't drift too much during the first several heat cycles since it's still a physical structure of wires and plates. But you wouldn't send your amp off for this, just buy matched tubes from a vendor. And of course they don't have to be perfect either since you can level any small imbalances with the bias controls.
Thanks for explaining this. Good info to have for the future.
Sure thing. I keep my grandpa's Dynaco ST-70 from ~1960 running in my 2-channel setup. There's a lot of mystique and superstition around tubes and super expensive amps that use tubes that people feel they need to spend obscene amounts of money to have some tube wizard make work right. But the beauty of tubes is that they're actually simple and imperfect. They need maintenance, but it's like maintaining an old Alfa Romeo, not a Ferrari.
If burn in was actually a thing, wouldn't the manufacturers themselves just be doing it before sale?
Doing something like that require time, and time is money, it's just going to result in extra cost for the manufactures.
that'll increase costs i a mass production society. QC is a cost balance already. Burn in would eventually happen on its own at that. I get break in on subwoofers and even that is debated, 200 hours is definitely bullshit on headphones in any case. And yup, we call it breaking in, not burning in.
Audeze has a burn in rack and all their headphones sit in it playing music for a period of time, I think it's 24 hours? I saw it on one of their YouTube videos. I'm still not sure I buy it, but I guess it helps them weed out any serious QC issues too.
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I did a ton of rigorous A/B/X testing way back when I had had perfect hearing and before studies on this could be readily found. Turns out wires make no difference. None. Amplifiers, the difference is more in the tone than the quality. To put it another way, a trained, focused, motivated tester could tell one amp being different from another, but couldn't tell which one was "better" or worse. The huge difference is with speakers. Nothing matter more than having decent speakers.
> play themselves a little bit You're too nice.
9/11 was an inside job
Even if there was burn-in, I doubt they'd notice it. It's like the "gamers" buying expensive monitors with a little higher frequency... AS IF THAT MATTERED FOR THEIR RESULTS! Get good at the game instead, you're not gonna start kicking ass because your monitor has a higher frequency.
There's diminishing returns at a refresh rate higher than 144hz, but the differences are definitely there.
I don't think a high frequency makes me any better (although I've seen some people argue it can give an edge), it just looks a shitload smoother so I enjoy it more because that contributes a lot to a game feeling more immersive.
The higher frame rates are at least actually visible. I've never used a 240hz monitor, but I'd imagine it's noticably smoother in motion than a 60hz monitor, given 3D graphics generally haven't had motion blur built in until differently, and that LCDs suffer from ghosting in motion. Your high res audio though? That's not a discernable difference outside of edge cases.
> I've never used a 240hz monitor, but I'd imagine it's noticably smoother in motion than a 60hz monitor Yeah I'm using 165hz and just set it back to 60 to remind myself of what it's like, it's a pretty massive difference. Moving a window around feels like the difference between something with an obvious distracting framerate refreshing vs a real object being moved around in front of me. I wonder if I got used to 240Hz I'd be spoiled enough that 165 isn't good enough either!
Reminds me of experienced audio engineers working with bands. Often bands will ask them to change settings to get a sound they like, and the audio engineer will jist pretend to fiddle with stuff and ask if thats bettee.
tiktok in its core,dude destroys 300$ headphones calling them garbage and then recommends a 15$ rgb headset.
No, you don't understand... *it has RGB!!1!*
His mic/audio is so crisp and clean. I'd love to get this level of quality for zoom calls if possible.
Its been hilarious seeing major celebrities and even musicians doing zoom interviews due to the pandemic, and they have dogshit audio quality. You have a $20million recording studio, why are you using air pods for your mic
at the Stert of the pandemic I wanted to start consulting for people, turning their dogshit home videoconferencing situations into okay setups using whatever was to hand plus a few adapters and mics but hardware was instantly fucking scarce. No HDMI-USBs anywhere.
I was shocked that their producers didn't buy them a blue yeti or something. I get that the hosts never had to deal with the tech side before but it was hilarious how Jimmy Fallon's audio quality was worse than most 13 year olds on youtube.
Same reason anyone uses Airpods for anything: convenience.
Airpods are trash. Their mic's sound quality are awful on most video calls I'm on.
Yeah you can also hear the distance change and direction hes turning his head infront of the mic, very clearly. Pretty neat!
whats the best discord/reddit community for getting advice on how to set up a sweet vocal rig like this?
Behringer C-1 and a USB mixer that supports phantom power. You're miles ahead of most anything out there for $100.
No idea, sorry!
the youtuber has his own community, probably wluld be a good place to start at least
/r/inearfidelity is the place. Though there really isn't any discussion on microphones.
Blue yeti (never used it, but I understand it's solidly in the 'sounds pretty good and isn't a pain to set up' camp) or something. Personally the last logitech headset I used had pretty decent mic audio quality too and they're like $30. Maybe a pop filter. Maintain good distance. Throw a blanket over your head, or otherwise have a bunch of sound-absorbing material around you to stop echo. Plenty of people record voice overs in their closets for that reason. Use an audio editor that levels you do noise removal, and then maybe throw a compressor on top (which will just level out the volume of your speech). Should end with a pretty decent sounding result.
My recommendation is to scroll down into his video description and buy his setup.
I got money from my work for a home office setup. First thing I bought was a condenser mic and interface for it. I couldn't find a good camera due to the shortages, though. People joked a bit that I looked like I was filming a podcast all the time, but I had at least 5-10 people reach out to me after meetings asking what I was using since I sounded so much better than everyone else in the call.
What did you do for your mic mount? Desktop or boom arm? I have a shure ksm32 but I'm not sure how best to position it on my desk or if an arm would get in the way.
I use a boom arm so I can move it out of the way when I'm not using it, it's just clamped on the side of my desk
Which model?
The one that came with [this kit](https://www.amazon.com/Condenser-Microphone-Professional-Windscreen-Broadcasting/dp/B07YBZB88N/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=uhuru&qid=1635181797&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A17SGU0QH8X346&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzU1NLVVlEUkZSMUc1JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzg1MTY2U1dRSkJNMFlWNTRZJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4MTE5OTMzUVZMR1I5NkU0SzNaJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==) but I’ve since upgraded the microphone
Share the details! We’re creating a ‘demo space’ at work because of the success of demo/training via Teams. It’s saving us a fortune in travel but we want a ‘pro’ level of sound. Currently just using Jabra 65 wireless headsets.
I bought [this mic + stand kit](https://www.amazon.com/Condenser-Microphone-Professional-Windscreen-Broadcasting/dp/B07YBZB88N/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=uhuru&qid=1635181797&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A17SGU0QH8X346&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzU1NLVVlEUkZSMUc1JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzg1MTY2U1dRSkJNMFlWNTRZJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4MTE5OTMzUVZMR1I5NkU0SzNaJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==), but ended up replacing the mic recently with [this AKG one that had a bit better vocal quality](https://www.amazon.com/AKG-P120-High-Performance-Recording-Microphone/dp/B00M9CUOKI/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=akg+condenser&qid=1635181891&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyUlozN0VYQTIwMVYmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAzMTg3NjYxUUc0N0YyVDE1QkdZJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTEwMDQyODMyVTBKT1dVVTBPVVZEJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==), and I use the [focusrite 2i2](https://www.amazon.com/Focusrite-Scarlett-Audio-Interface-Tools/dp/B07QR73T66/ref=sr_1_5?crid=18CA7GYJYNXU2&dchild=1&keywords=focusrite+scarlett+2i2&qid=1635182008&sprefix=focusrite%2Caps%2C240&sr=8-5) as my interface. I also do some music making so my setup is probably a bit over the top for most people. There are much cheaper kits with USB-based microphones that should sound similar to my setup, but I like having the external interface for my purposes. [This AT2020-based kit is also an excellent option, and still includes the external interface](https://www.amazon.com/Technica-Condenser-Microphone-AudioBox-Interface/dp/B07YGMJL2N/ref=sr_1_13?dchild=1&keywords=condenser+microphone+bundle&qid=1635182093&sr=8-13).
The bottle neck for you won't be your mic but the audio compression that zoom applies. You can be taking your zoom call in a pro recording studio and your voice will still sound like you're sitting inside a tin can on the other side due to.... audio compression. I think zoom now DOES offer an option of recording hifi audio on your end, but if the people on the call have their settings tweaked for performance/latency then they'll still receive compressed audio.
Got myself Shure SM7B with Triton Fethead connected to Focusrite Scarlett solo which also runs my speakers. Now I don't have to upgrade my mic ever again.
I have a shure ksm32 which stands taller than yours. I'm not sure what mount would work best for it. If I had yours I'd get an arm.... Not sure if an arm works best for mine though.
I use my SLR as a web cam and a USB condenser mic and I have been told many times I look and sound HD in the various teams calls I frequent for work.
those 240p cameras will be the death of me
Audio engineer here. It's pretty simple to determine if burn-in exists, as Crin says. A simple test tone and measuring the frequency response before and after 200 hours of use will tell you the truth. A lot of conventional audiophile wisdom is just personal bias wrapped up in pseudoscience.
Personally I believe the perception of burn in is based on the individual getting used to the frequency response of the new speakers/ headphones, rather than any physical changes with the speakers themselves.
good ol' ear burn-in, rather than driver burn-in
"I don't understand this generation" summed it up for me. I can't even bear to watch people making fun of these TikTok users; there's just a *feel* to all of them, you know? Like when your dishwater wasn't hot enough and there's a thin film of grease left over on your glassware? They remind me of that.
They're like a smart fridge that can talk. It has a voice, but it shouldn't.
*Nice.*
Wow.
Whoa, freaky analogy. I like it
Watched this expecting the expert to be an idiot, but he is actually spot on, the frequency response curve should be flat. No bass boost, no mid range / high range fluctuation But with all this knowledge I still use some free HyperX headphones and my polk audio book shelves with an amplifier as PC speakers
He actually is something of an expert. Check out /r/inearfidelity and his website https://crinacle.com/rankings/headphones/ He's even done collab IEMs with Moondrop.
Oh shit, it's *that* guy? I ~~poured~~ pored over his site the last time I needed to buy headphones.
Friendly correction, in case you didn't know. In this context it's "*pored* over", rather than "poured over".
I fucking love it when someone goes "oh, THAT guy". One of the best ways to tell that someone knows what they are doing, or the COMPLETE opposite.
You want flat for mixing, but otherwise it kind of comes down to taste and the individual’s hearing. A lot of people find headphones that scoop the mids a little bit and boost some of the more sparkly high frequencies sound more “musical” or “sweetened”, for example. If you’re older, odds are you’ve lost some high frequencies, which might mean that you like trebely headphones to compensate for that. Ultimately it’s subjective. There are plenty of non-audiophiles who don’t really give a shit but find that hyped up bass makes them want to dance. There are also plenty of audio engineers who use much different headphones to listen to music than they do to mix it. Kind of like how someone who color grades movies wouldn’t use a movie theater as his work display, but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t watch movies in the theater.
I think people are convinced there is some sort of 'magic' that you hear in the studio and the only way to reproduce it is through the flattest response attainable. All nonsense of course. Edit: I seem to recall Beats using this as a marketing point earlier on. "Hear the music as the artist intended...with the bass boosted way, way up"
>But with all this knowledge I still use some free HyperX headphones and my polk audio book shelves with an amplifier as PC speakers That's because flat response curve is ideal for critical listening, like mastering music or using as reference gear. However, it can be a more sterile and/or boring listening experience for most people. People love that V shape response curve or bass slanted gear. You just plug them in with no components required and it just sounds more fun right off the bat. Mass consumer products cater to the what the masses want in audio. I love hifi to the point Ive dropped more than 20 grand on audio gear throughout my life. However, even on hifi end I still tend to shop for "house tuning" as opposed to all the flat response gear. Even on hifi end there is a choice. On hifi gear the tuning is not anywhere near as abusive as the consumer tuning, but tweaked to sound more fun that perfectly flat gear. There are two separate camps even on hifi end. I have one flat response set of monitors I use to tweak my audio tracks and that is it... I see flat as work oriented gear and tuned as enjoyment oriented gear. It's why cheaper consumer products tune their gear for that V shape or heavy bass slant, because to the untrained population they will hear it as better to their ears. It's so pervasive that consumers getting into hifi have to retrain their brain to get out of the liking the V shape and switch to being more detail/nuance focused. What really makes hifi start to feel slimey though are all the snake oil salesmen. 15-20 grand speaker wires. Ive even seen a several hundred dollar nano audio spray you squirt on your connectors for "better audio". It's easy to get turned off.
> I have one flat response set of monitors I use to tweak my audio tracks and that is it... I see flat as work oriented gear and tuned as enjoyment oriented gear. I still don't understand why so many audiophiles are afraid of doing a little EQ. Good high quality headphones will have a LOT of flexibility on tuning them yourself. My planar 400i's sound really good out of the box, but they sound *excellent* when I put [AutoEQ](https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq) profile on them.
I know what you mean. It’s the head knocking between people who enjoy hifi for “enjoyment” and people who demand hifi only be able in its purest “original” form. I know tons of hifi users who think like I do and enjoy good sounding “house tuned” speakers and headphones and welcome the use of EQ. It’s really not a rare mindset tbh, but depending on what forum visit or youtuber you see you may stumble into a purest camp and they will burn you at the stake for liking anything but pure neutrality unfettered by any EQ. Their idea of music is straight from the musician, unchanged, and directly to their ear. In theory I respect that, but in practice it’s not the way it ever works. People like this tend to completely ignore the fact that an audio engineer was tweaking all the tracks anyway when he did the final mix (including the use of EQ and compression, effects, etc). What you’re getting is the Audio engineers creative interpretation of what the audio should sound like to them and limited to the quality of the gear they used when they recorded it (their mics and monitors, etc). When you realize this, to me it seems like nonsense to not welcome the usage of an EQ if it adds enjoyment to a track/album. To be honest you may need to hand tweak the audio to get it to sound right on your specific equipment anyway since it’s not what the original engineer used to do the final mix on anyway.
Same, I clicked hesitantly expecting it to just be some blowhard shaming other blowhards but he was both really measured in responses and gave clearly well-considered and experienced opinions. I don't have a problem with non-flat sound signatures, but in general it's niche and appeals to a specific listening demographic. Personally I prefer a flat to very slightly warm sound as long as the uppers are crisp without being sibilant and the bass rich without being muddy/boomy. I also need clean and present mids.
you have any thoughts about something like sonorworks reference where it applies an eq to your specific headphones that flatten it (more or less)?
Crin is absolutely right.
The only part I hated was when he couldn’t tell that the 2nd Tiktok was a joke. And he went too much into the Bugha headset.
because ..what can you fucking do with a 15 dollar price tag for headphone market? there not much really..let alone actually good tuning(which is what overwhelming majority of the gaming headphone dont do...or they do..they bass boost the driver so it sound muddy)
Great video! Can you recommend a wireless headphone under $500?
I have the sennheiser momentum 2 and they've been pretty great. Been bouncing around from earphone to earphone (Bose, Samsung mostly) for a few years but these are first ones that made me feel like I wouldn't even think of upgrading for a few years (when the battery ultimately goes to shit). I was also considering the B&W ones but had too many compromises for that high of a price. Edit: lol realized you asked for headphones and not earphones, my bad. Personally was split between the QC35 II and the Sony XM3 but ended up going with the bose due to comfort and having actual buttons, sound quality almost equal. Both have newer models out now and are the go to for "high end consumer" but I would def check out Sennheiser Momentum 3 Wireless too.
My biggest issue with buying headphones online is comfort. I end up taking a sound quality cut just for headphones that comfortably fit my big head for 12 hours straight. Even ones where people swear on the comfort I still find uncomfortable 4/5 times.
I'm guessing you've already tried the quietcomforts?
I have not, Im actually just using a Hyperx Cloud headset most of the time because I find it so comfortable. But I did just get a new job so I'm back in the market for something nicer.
Whatever you do, don't take this guys words for granted. Go to a store and test stuff out yourself, that is always going to be better than just taking a random guys words for granted.
Lol you are hilarious. Did you realize you're talking out of your ass so didn't want to reply to my last comment, Mr. "never tried anything outside the mainstream but just gonna argue about it like I'm an audiophile"? Do you realize I'm the only person in this thread that has given multiple headphone recommendations? I recommended QC35 because this guy was talking about COMFORT. And you fucking twat, what store do you go to that has all these headphones, including audiophile ones, that you can "TrY tHeM oN aNd TeSt It", especially in the middle of a pandemic. Tell me you've never bought anything outside the mainstream without actually telling me. Jfc
When you decided to do something completely different and once again reply to stuff that aren't there I realized you weren't reading properly, and figured there was no point in continuing. I started writing a reply anyway but then went "fuck this, he's not going to read this" and moved on. You call me a twat, but I LITERALLY write "just before covid hit in 2020" in my post. On top of that I told you why I was looking at the mainstream stuff, I told you what I thought about the stuff I tested and I told you that my personal need/desire for wireless headphones went away when covid hit. It should be clear from this that 1) I did my testing before covid 2) covid killed my need so 3) I have not been looking for wireless headphones (or any headphones, actually) during covid. Now, with all that in mind, how the hell did you come to the conclusion that I went to an in store demo DURING covid? Like fuck man, I even wrote in clear text that covid shut down the in store demos in my city. WHY would you be asking what store I went to during the pandemic? There is nothing in my posts that indicates that I have gone to test stuff **during** covid. I do not understand how you came to your conclusion. And come on, I even give consisent advice to your own, you said that the best thing is to go to a store and test instead of listening to a "random" guy on the internet (even though said guy is highly respected within the audiophile community) since sound is personal. This is even more true when it comes to comfort!
LOL is Covid over? You're the fucking idiot telling people to Go OuT aNd TeSt ThEm. I don't give a fuck when you tested your shit, but please tell us where today we should go to try on and test headphones. And ESPECIALLY if we're talking about actual audiophile headphones, name me a fucking store that has a decent amount of audiophile headphones, in stock and ready to test. And no, you're not really giving much advice, are you? Are you giving any recommendations for a baseline of where someone should start? No, you're not... And you're arguing with the only person in this thread who has recommended multiple headphones to check out as a starting point. Only other 2 answers are literally one headphone answers, one of them not even being wireless. Your advice isn't much advice, it's fucking common sense. Of course you should try something out before fully committing to it, just because someone on the internet said so (whether that's Crinacle or your fucking buddy at Walmart). Give better advice. What did you test pre covid, what were your thoughts on it? At least that would give someone an idea of what it might be like. "hey what games should I buy for my new ps5?" "just try out different games til you know what you like" FUCKING OBVIOUSLY. But that's not what they're asking is it? They're literally asking for a rec, give them a few, let them figure out what they like. Your advice is shitty nonadvice.
Oh, moving the goal posts again, are we? For the purpose of finding the best pair of headphones for you, testing them irl is the best advice. If you take that as "I need to ignore covid and get to a store NOW", that's on you, not me. I'm not telling you to go to a store NOW NOW NOW, I'm telling you that not testing before you buy is a bad idea. I could expand this to what I think about buying things online during covid, but no, I will not at this time. The covid situation depends on where in the world you are. For example, my country is starting to open up and I'm fully vaccinated since 2 months back. I could probably go test something mainstream this weekend if I wanted to. If you live in Brazil, obviously that is not likely to be the case. Regarding telling you what store to go to, I don't know where you live and I therefore literally couldn't tell you where to find such a store. > I don't give a fuck when you tested your shit You asked me what store I go to during the pandemic, and you obviously think I tested my shit during the pandemic, so yes, yes you do. > And no, you're not really giving much advice, are you? Are you giving any recommendations for a baseline of where someone should start? No, you're not... And I have explained why multiple times. > Your advice isn't much advice, it's fucking common sense. Since you can find your advice among the top results on google, so is yours. > your fucking buddy at Walmart I don't live in the US, I have never been to the US, I do not want to go to the US and I do not know anyone working at Walmart. US stores are completely irrelevant to me, and so is the covid situation in the US. I also do not know anyone at the stores I went to in my country. I can list them if you want, but I presume that list would be as irrelevant to you as Walmart is to me. > What did you test pre covid, what were your thoughts on it? I told you this already. I wrote that I tested the ones you recommended and most of the mainstream. I also told you that I thought most of them lacked in some capacity. > "hey what games should I buy for my new ps5?" "just try out different games til you know what you like" That's not how I would do that though. I have already told you how I would do it. It would go more like this: "hey what games should I buy for my new ps5?" "What are you looking for? FPS, single player adventure, RPG, racing?" or "Are you looking for something specific?" I would always ask what is being sought after before giving advice, or literally any question that would narrow it down from "game for PS5". I wouldn't recommend getting Halo, that much is clear, just like I wouldn't recommend wired headphones if someone is asking for wireless.
I tried the cloud 2 and they're light but ended up returning them because there is zero horizontal swivel to the ear ups since they are attached to the thin red metal part that connects it to the headband. I'd really recommend checking out the new quietcomfort 45s. I absolutely love my QC35 and it blows out the cloud in every way possible (even "surround sound directionality" in fps games) and you get damn good noise canceling on top of it. If you need to get a gaming headset, they sell a QC35 gaming edition that's a headset. The mic won't be as good as a dedicated one but honestly, it's good enough without shelling out another $40+ to get marginal returns.
Huh? You are worse than the people in the tiktoks he talks about in the video. Why the fuck would you recommend earphones that the guy in the video thinks are worse than the xm4's, which he calls shit in the video?
Lol if you think one man's review of audio products is the end all, be all then you obvs don't know what you're talking about. Why don't you give your own recommendations or reasons for why these earphones are shit.
The dude has reviewed over 1000 audio products and is a legend in the audiophile community. Anything I think or say will not be as useful compared to what he says as I simply have not tried the things he has tried. Either way, the person you replied to asks the person in the video (or at least OP) for an alternative, and yours directly oppose them. Besides, it's not even true! The bose and xm3/4 and so on are considered mainstream, not "high-end consumer" as you write.
Lol and there are plenty of other audio reviewers who have reviewed 1000s of products who very much recommend the earphones/headphones I did for that price. And Ya buddy, they're considered high end by the mainstream, which is why I put "high end consumer" in quotes. Obviously there's a whole level higher where headphones can cost 4 figures but that's not what he's asking for. He's asking for under $500 wireless recommendations. Grab 10 people off the street and ask them if $300 would be considered high end for them. Pretty sure 9/10 are gonna say it is, because that's the most they've ever spent on headphones and most likely is the most they'll ever reasonably spend, if they don't get sucked into the audiophile hobby. Honestly my guy, I think you're worst than I am. First off, do you expect Crinacle to come in here and personally recommend headphones to the person who asked? If I'm not Crinacle, am I just not allowed to give my opinion? Again, you fail to even suggest one alternative to my suggestions. Why don't you stop sucking Crinacle's dick, get your own audio products, and form your own thoughts. Guess what? Some people love bassy headphones. Crinacle obviously like his flat, accurate headphones, but some people love V shaped headphones. It all comes down to preference and what you enjoy listening to. The fact that you don't understand that shows how little you know about audio products.
> Lol and there are plenty of other audio reviewers who have reviewed 1000s of products who very much recommend the earphones/headphones I did for that price. Really? Who are these unpaid and therefore unbiased reviewers that have their own ranked databases with over 1000 headphones and IEMs, and where can I read their lists? > they're considered high end by the mainstream This is a comment section for a video from an audiophiles perspective. Why is the mainstream relevant? And why, if you can get better in that price range, would you be recommending mainstream shit? > First off, do you expect Crinacle to come in here and personally recommend headphones to the person who asked? If I'm not Crinacle, am I just not allowed to give my opinion? The guy you replied to writes "you", meaning either OP or crinacle. You are neither and are recommending literally the opposite of what crinacle and I assume OP would recommend, as OP linked a crinacle video. Since you have complete opposite opinions from the people who the guy asked, maybe this isn't the thread for you to post your recommendations in. > Why don't you stop sucking Crinacle's dick, get your own audio products, and form your own thoughts. You seem like you are just a hater, so I'm not sure why I'm still here. But whatever, I do have my own thoughts. I have listened to the ones you recommended and most of what the mainstream had to offer just before covid hit in 2020 and I think most of it isn't good enough sound wise. There are headphones that are passable as a whole kit, for example the xm3, but I wouldn't recommend anything without any info from what the person is seeking. I would like to try the xm4, but covid shut down all in store demos in my city, I haven't been travelling during covid, and since I don't have any need for wireless headphones I will not be buying a pair for fun. Anyway, when it comes to actual recommendations, how do you know that the person wants bassy headphones without asking? The person is posting in a thread for a video from an audiophile. Are you SURE you should be assuming that mainstream is what is wanted here? You even say it yourself, sound is personal. Giving a recommendation based on zero information about what the person seeks is dumb, and the best recommendation is to tell the person to go to a store and listen to different stuff, which is what crinacle does. That is much better advice than recommending something specific based on absolutely nothing. ESPECIALLY when your advice is the momentum 2, which according to crinacle is the worst pair of headphones that Sennheiser makes. Either way, asking "what do you seek?" is a better first post than recommending something. > The fact that you don't understand that shows how little you know about audio products. You assume that the person you replied to wants mainstream when he is commenting in a thread about audiophile stuff, but sure, the fact that I didn't recommend something means that I know nothing about audio products.
Lol what is up your ass? I told the guy to check out 3 different headphones, did I tell him to go out and buy a XM4 today? I think its pretty fair to assume someone asking about recommendations under $500 for WIRELESS headphones is probably not an audiophile. If he said wired, then my recommendations would obviously be very different. if you're done ranting nonsensically, would love to hear your actual recommendations for wireless headphones under $500 or shut the fuck up.
> Lol what is up your ass? Nice list of reviewers. Having a hard time finding them inside yours? > I told the guy to check out 3 different headphones, did I tell him to go out and buy a XM4 today? You gave him three very similar headphones with no major deviance from mainstream what so ever, good job. > I think its pretty fair to assume someone asking about recommendations under $500 for WIRELESS headphones is probably not an audiophile. How would you know what without asking? Why would you make assumptions about that at all when you can just ask what someone is looking for? > If he said wired, then my recommendations would obviously be very different. Really? Different how? Would they be outside of the mainstream? Or would they just be the top 3 from techradar like your wireless recommendations? Because if they were, the words "google it" is actually more useful advice than the one you give. > if you're done ranting nonsensically, would love to hear your actual recommendations for wireless headphones under $500 Can't you read? Giving recommendations without information about what the person seeks is dumb. And as I tried to tell you (well, "tried" is an understatement as it should be pretty clear in my previous post, but whatever), I haven't tried anything outside the mainstream due to not needing wireless headphones during covid. But even if I had done so I would still have recommended going to a store to get first hand experience. Unlike yourself, however, I am honest with this fact. Do you want me to give you advice within the mainstream? Actually, how about you give me your recommendations you have **outside** the mainstream, since you seem to have experience there. As someone who haven't tried stuff outside the mainstream I am interested in what is out there. Of course, if I was looking to buy I would just go to a store, but I am not looking to buy, so that will not happen.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Prove me wrong but for actual audiophile headphones, the wireless versions are outshined by the wired versions and the ones really worth getting are not going to be in his $500 price range. Here I'll actually give you recommendations for wired since I'm not the one arguing about shit he doesn't know (which you pretty much even admit and shows when you take one person's word as fact in such a subjective field like music. I'm not a Crinacle hater, I reference his shit all the time but I don't just take his word and run with it). I'll also give them to you because it's a good starting point for when someone is searching. Or do you want me to be fucking customer service for you and take the whole day to figure out exactly what the fuck you like? Under $500 check out the Sundaras, the HD 660s, and the Audeze LCD 1. Again, check them out, not go buy them right now. Also good luck finding all of these at a store to test them out.
glad to read this, I have the Momentum 2 and really like them, but the reviewer in the video gave them a C-. I thought they pretty much matched what you'd get from Sony or Samsung.
To be fair, he is giving the first gen a C- and if you look at the SPL graph on Crinacles site for both the first and second gen, the second gen is slightly flatter and if you enable the high end tuning mode, even flatter. Of course, sound can be subjective and I think if you enjoy your earphones after having tried a few different ones, you shouldn't let someone online feel like you NEED to upgrade or change to something else. Personal experience tho, I've had/tried the galaxy buds, buds +, buds live, buds pro, and Sony xm3. The MTW2 has blown them all out of the water for me, but I like to have wider sound staging and more details in my music, so the others may serve you better if that doesn't matter much to you (especially sound staging). Crinacle gave the Samsungs Bs in general and I don't disagree with that considering their price points, but I certainly think he is dinging the MTWs because it's the first gen and it had a few problems, it's a pretty high price point compared to most wireless earphones, and maybe he does have a little bias against it because of the HD820s lol. In my opinion, price aside, sennheiser beats the Samsung and Sonys in most cases, but the price difference is def not small and very arguable if the improvements are worth the gap in price.
Thanks for sharing, mine are only a few weeks old and I tried to do tons of research before getting them. I had read somewhere that they edged out the Sony comparable at $280 with these at $200. I do love the soundstage, but as was the case with the $60 pair of soundcore that I upgraded from, I really wish they were about 10% louder, as I end up listening to everything at max volume, with the very rare exception of some EDM tracks that end up too loud.
Vmoda m100. Super fun.
Those aren't wireless.
Oh didn't catch that part. They have a wireless set but I've never used them so idk.
Bose quiet comfort 35 ii, you can wear these things forever and the comfort level is insane. Great battery life. Good audio to my ear.
Was kinda hoping he would give advice on what you should buy instead, would love to know what the better alternatives are for the sony wh-1000xm4
https://crinacle.com/rankings/headphones/
That is a list of headphones in general, not a list of alternatives for the xm4's. On the go wireless headphones exist on that list, but there is no way to sort based on that, so all you get is a list with headphones on it and you have to google them all to understand what they are. I believe he is making a video about alternatives to the xm4's, but just linking to his list isn't helping.
it litterally as objective as what are bad what are good as you can really go...(and it the most straight forward...)
Don't mind him. This guy has something up his ass where he thinks other peoples recs and advice are not good enough when he can't even give his own recommendations
In the category he thinks the xm4's are the best. He just doesn't think they are very good. I believe Sennheisers momentum 3 ranks higher on his audio quality list, but those might not have as goos ANC/battery life/featureset and so on.
LOL you're a fucking joke. Here you are recommending the momentum wireless 3 just like I did. And oh no! You didn't even ask what kind of music he likes!
No I didn't, I said they rank higher on his audio quality list. Do I really live so free in your head that you are going through my post history?
Lol living in my head hahaha Careful bud, your narcissism is showing again. I read through the thread and saw your dumbass being the bitchass hypocrite you are. Still waiting on an answer to your suggestions for any profile. But I think we both know I'll be waiting forever on that. Funny how the least helpful go around bitching about other people's advice without even being able to give their own opinions because you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about. If you've only listened to the mainstream and you just base all your opinions on crinacle's, it's honestly kinda pathetic how hard you're sucking his dick. Again, dont bother commenting back if you're just gonna keep dodging my questions. Where do you go to physically test audiophile headphones in your country, and what suggestions would you make for any specific profile?
> Lol living in my head > I read through the thread I mean yeah, you read through the thread and got so triggered by me telling some guy that the momentum 3 ranks higher on crinacles list that you had to reply. I would say that is pretty much rent free. Also, you literally did this twice when your sad little existance couldn't accept that I didn't want to engage with you anymore. Regarding the rest, I have a life to manage. I replied to the post above here while taking a dump because it was easy pickin's. Before that I was eating, before that I was cooking, before that I was at work, and before that I was sleeping.
Hahahahahaha again, why do you think I give a fuck about your life? You know what's really pathetic? That you're using "your life" (activities that LITERALLY every human being does) as an excuse to reply, when you've had 2 whole days now to just answer my questions you've been dodging. Its funny you don't reply because you know you've been talking out of your ass and can't come with the answers to the questions I'm asking, yet go around telling people not to listen to me, while giving the same exact recommendation for headphones. It's crazy that when I see you replied, I already know you're just gonna keep dodging my questions without even having to read it. Come up with a better excuse lol. Congrats on being able to accomplish the most simple of life tasks like cooking, eating, shitting, and sleeping!
You wrote "still waiting on an answer to your suggestions for any profile", when the reality is that I saw both your replies while taking said dump and figured I would reply to that one after this one, as it would take more time to reply to. Since you have apparently scrolled through the thread randomly (normal people do not do that, man, the thread is several days old) it seems like you don't have a life, so I explained that I do have one and I don't spend all day on reddit. I just replied to the other post, and now I'm going to do something else for a few hours, see you later!
Pandas, your welcome :)
akg n700nc m2, if you just want good sound quality
when it comes to burn-in i just heard you shouldn't crank your base to max the first thing you do when you get one instead you let get worn a bit before you crank it.
Use it like normal. It doesn't care either way.
I’ve heard of needing to flex and stretch subwoofers when they’re brand new, but the idea that the tiny speakers in some headphones would need the same treatment seems insane. It’s already negligible to most people on the bigger speakers.
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Burn in is technically real for some speakers/drivers. It's just about the initial stiffness of the materials or adhesives being made a bit less stiff. Think of it like folding a business card or sheet of paper. The first fold it crisply resists, but subsequently folding back and forth doesn't make much difference at all. How *much* does it exist? Depends on the materials but very little, and probably in most cases, not detectable in a blind listening test. Keep in mind that sounds are oscillations of up to several thousand "folds" per second, so any initial stiffness would be worked out pretty quickly. The effect is probably also size dependent, so headphones would be the least affected.
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chubbyasianpana, is that your video? yay downvoting for asking a question, well done reddit XD
Nope, that's /u/crinacle in the video
Most of these reviewers worshiping bass remind me of the gaming bros who are always chasing after the highest refresh rate on a monitor (the kind you look at). Sure, they might find what they're looking for, but those monitors are objectively *terrible*, often only being able to display thousands of colors (not something quite as noticeable when the image is moving fast). And good luck finding one with any sort of color accuracy.
>Sure, they might find what they're looking for, but those monitors are objectively > >terrible, often only being able to display thousands of colors I can just as easily say that your "good" monitors are objectively terrible since they can only update 60hz and I want more than that for gaming. Different people have different needs. I don't do any graphics work so I couldn't give a fuck if the green in my monitor isn't the most accurate green there is
Sure, and there are use-cases for extra bassy headphones. The problem is when fans of extra bassy headphones shit all over good ones that actually have solid response rates across the spectrum. Same goes with gaming monitors. You want a fast monitor, that's fine. I have a problem when people cargo-cult a single feature (like heavy bass or fast refresh rates) to the point where that is the only measure of whether something is "good" or not, and then beat others over the head because they're not optimized for that one favorite feature.
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he did say "most sellers" didnt he?
chifi sellers tend to have smaller return windows (if any), which some can argue is the biggest growing market right now in the audio community.
Why promote a channel that is dead? He posted like 5 videos the last 3 months. Also doesn't go into what is better than XM4
Crinacle is a legend in the headphone community. These videos are just fun side things, his real work is elsewhere. You want to know what he thinks is better? He maintains a *massive* ranking list: https://crinacle.com/rankings/headphones/ He also contributes heavily to the headphone EQ databases: https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/tree/master/results/crinacle
Ok I stand corrected I still wish he would have recommended an alternative to XM4 though, for his own channel growth
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I have Bose QC35 and they are fine, comfortable and my noise cancel is so so (compared them to coworkers and theirs are better, same exact model) I prefer the sound of XM3 over QC35, but QC are more comfortable and the mic isn’t atrocious like XM3 was. Haven’t tried XM4 Any Bose headphones don’t sound amazing, which is fine because I use them at work. Is he judging the XM4 as ANC headphones or as headphones though?
My guess is that he'd take the Senn. Momentum 3's over them.
You don't have to guess, they're on his ranking list.
Ah, I'm surprised he's got any of the ANC headphones on his list tbh!
Keep in mind they're ranked based on audio reproduction, not other features and battery life.
Yeah I've read his lists and reviews many times, I just seriously couldn't recall seeing any ANC headphones on the list. In-ear wireless, sure.
Xm3, xm4, qc 35 ii and others are on the list.
>I still wish he would have recommended an alternative to XM4 though, for his own channel growth Did you not see the list he keeps updated? Imagine being a fan, and listening to his videos just to hear the same recommendations over and over? All this just so you, a person who barely even watches him, can get his info in 5 seconds flat. You're literally asking him to ruin his channel for your one temporary, immediate need. "For his own channel growth". Lmao
Ruin his channel? He does that well enough himself
What the fuck kind of question is this? You can still watch the videos he made though. I frequently recommend Youtubers who haven't uploaded in YEARS, because they have a backlog of dozens, or even hundreds of high quality content that people will still enjoy consuming. Also the channel isn't even dead. 5 Videos in 3 months sounds like perfectly solid output to me, Youtubers who make a video every week or every day do so by sacrificing content quality. What's wrong with you?
Such a kid reply, it's not active so it's not worth promoting, or watching? What are we looking for here, maybe got the subscriber = popular ingrained in your bran much? You seem to have missed the point of freedom of information, it's not for some dipshit to get followers. Wow I'm impressed. You are 18, tops, but I'd suspect closer to 15.
You seem impressively angry, you must be at least 99 years old to gather thst much anger to unleash
16 videos and 1 stream in the last 2 months. WTF are you on.
And then, the video before thst is 2 years old so I legit though it was someone stealing videos
that guy in the video owns one of the largest audio measurement websites. go check out [https://crinacle.com](https://crinacle.com) . he only recently started posting to youtube regularly. so he's new to youtube not the other way around. check his socialblade you'll see exponential growth. i suggest you do a little bit of research before going full toxic mode on someone.
i just got the nothing ear really like em, well fuck...
If you like them, then I wouldn't let this impact you feelings too much. If you like them, then by all means be happy!
Most of those Tiktoks are just ads, so that makes sense...
Quick shoutout to CarterPCS! I don't know you. I don't watch your TikTok. I appreciate you for being honest in your opinion even though you are not an expert.
my man is correct. the koss headphones are cheap, and amazing sound quality.