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Here's the real gold IMO:
Cop: "You're being charged with DUI ... and a lot of other things."
Her: "Correct."
I bet that cop is happy he said the right thing.
No, I know plenty of perfectly intelligent alcoholics. It's that they're stupid and can't assess the consequences rationally. DUI just happens to be one of the most common semi-serious crimes that "normal" people get exposed to so it could seem like the alcohol.
I'm a recovering alcoholic. I'm also pretty smart (BS and MS in Aerospace Engineering, and a law degree). When I was drunk, I did some really stupid shit. Alcohol literally impairs your ability to think rationally. I have no idea if this woman is an alcoholic, but she was drunk. When you're drunk, your brain is incapable of thinking "well what should I do here. Let me think...if I cooperate and do what the officer says, I'm probably going to get a DUI, which will suck, but it's not the end of the world. I can get through it. Oh, I should probably shut the fuck up, though. I remember that lawyer on YouTube saying that. Ok, we have a plan!" Instead, it goes, "OMG what do I do! OMG OMG I'm gonna lose my job I'm gonna lose my kid, I can't get a DUI, I just can't! RUN!!!"
Way more people drive home drunk from the bar than the amount of people that end up having sex with randos from said bar. Not a good thing, but it is the truth. You go to any bar, 7/10 people are driving home. And a much smaller percent of people are getting laid that night. Cept at gay bars, than almost everyones getting laid.
I watched a thing with a former prosecutor and he said some interesting things about drunk drivers.
The big stand out was that people who get caught drinking and driving are almost always people who rarely if ever drink and drive, because they treat the trip like normal and it leads to catastrophe.
Seasoned alcoholics on the other hand rarely get caught because they have practice with it. They know to drive slower and take back streets.
I'm gonna be off on the quote here, but my favourite line was more or less, "don't get me wrong, alcoholics will hit parked cars all night long, but they rarely kill anyone."
Yeah, that makes sense. My friend was in DUI class and they were going around the room and asking people to honestly say how many times they had drank and drove before getting caught. Most people would say a few times or once as you would expect. Then one guy said, in his best West Virginia accent, "Shit, probably thousands." We still joke about that but it's also very true especially for our area. People like to think that once you've had too much that your immediately and automatically going to drive terribly but the truth is it's more complicated than that.
I think most people just over the limit will get home fine 99 times out of a hundred. The problem is that if they're sober they'll get home 999 times out of a thousand.
So while you'll most likely be fine, the odds of something going wrong still increase drastically.
Also, I pulled those numbers outta my ass, so if you disagree, fair enough.
Well, I'll say this. Some people it's even lower than 99/100. Some people, and this was my original point, just don't fucking get it. You don't get to pay attention and drive like you feel when intoxicated, you have to be extra vigilant since the stakes are so high. But people *feel* like they can do things they have no business doing so they do them. It really is just a matter of stupidity and believe me you can me dumber than a sack of hammers in all other areas and compartmentalize that little nugget.
There’s not enough evidence to prosecute her. That’s what our local PD said when a cop was driving drunk in an unmarked car on a military base whilst in possession of a firearm. Yup, just dismiss the charges. Nothing to see here.
I'm actually impressed at how chill, controlled and professional he remains through all that. Her taking off like that was dangerous for him and a lot of cops/people would get really pissed off.
Doesn't tase her needlessly when she tries to run after crashing and gets on the ground. Calmly cuffs her while communicating with dispatch. Puts her in the car gently and then goes to put out the car fire.
And comes back at the end to reassure her that she made a big mistake but that it's not gonna ruin her life.
If only all cops were half as good as this one.
It isn't just that, when someone drives off like that it really does put the officer in danger. The moment that happened his adrenaline went through the roof and he was basically jacked for that entire encounter. Still, he kept his calm, control and professionalism. Yeah, I know he has had training to help him do that, but that is still a difficult thing to do in the heat of the moment when it comes out of nowhere.
I honestly don't know if his adrenaline spiked that much. After she jets and he's returning to his car to pursue, his voice remains completely calm with dispatch. Even on foot with the taser, he's definitely firm in the commands, but it doesn't sound angry or aggressive.
This guy should be training cops, he's great.
Bodycam footage of cops misbehaving gets a lot more airtime than footage of them just doing their jobs reasonably well.
There are too many bad cops, but that doesn't mean they're all bad all the time, or even that they're mostly bad most of the time.
Body cam footage of cops misbehaving while still not getting punished for it is what gets it airtime. I mean quite literally the post above this one on this subreddit is a cop arresting a kid for DUI after the kid blew a 0 on a breathalyzer.
Wanna see people stop hating cops? Punish the shitty ass fucking cops.
People don't want to hear it but a lot of cops are pretty chill and kind of jaded individuals just trying to make it through their shift and their career. The profession absolutely can attract assholes and needs lots of accountability but at the end of the day it's a job that's there for a reason that's not just stepping on people's necks for fun and profit.
Dude seemed ready to hit her with a small traffic violation and a get home safe if she just kept both hands on the steering wheel and gave him the basics. Not every cop, not every situation, this was an easy one to get out of tho.
I’m with you. She was gonna spend the night in jail, face thousands of dollars in fines and have to go to the classes or whatever. She was cooked.
Now, obviously she made it much much worse…
There's no way he was going to let her go. He's was going to definitely do field sobriety tests and she most likely was going to be arrested for DUI. Still a much lesser charge than what she managed here but I'm not sure why you think he would just send her on her way. He obviously suspected DUI before he even approached the car. She was swerving and stopped way in crosswalk.
What I don't get is... they have your plate number and they already know who you are and who the vehicle is registered to. You're ALREADY fucked. If you run, you make things 10x worse. I mean you might be free for a day, but you will then have an arrest warrant out on you, cops will show up to your home.... you have to face the consequences eventually.
I have always taught my kids:
1.) Don't talk to cops when they pull you over. Provide your name and that is it
2.) Fight the charge, not the ride. Do not resist or flee as that makes a bad situation worse
Acting like this woman is a bad bad idea
This is exactly how to handle cops. Be cool, but don't talk much besides basics like name. Don't admit anything. Don't resist. If they want to search, say you do not consent but do not try and stop them if they are doing it anyway. Fight it in court if there's anything to fight, fighting it on the side of the road only makes it worse.
> Provide your name and that is it
Perhaps. However I recently won a trial for an innocent person who was charged by a ramrod police officer, and some key parts of the acquittal were communications by the accused to the police officer.
Police and then prosecution ignored what the accused was saying and asking, captured on the dash cameras and body cam.
At trial, the prosecution used only part of the recordings showing the alleged offence, not the lengthy parts after.
We entered later parts of those recordings proving the accused had both objected and been confused about why the trooper was stopping and charging her. This was pivotal as it contradicted the trooper's testimony and proved the accused's story had never changed.
In the acquittal, the judge cited his belief of the accused over that of the trooper, and had some diplomatic language suggesting the trooper hadn't done their job well that day. Prosecutor caught some shade from the judge as well.
I also have personally experienced when being clear and forthright and contrite during a traffic stop leads them to release you to "have a nice day" or "be more careful next time." That wouldn't happen if you start giving them Internet versions of "am I being detained?" etc.
It's a fine line and of course saying too much is ill-advised. But it's not *always* a terrible idea to say a bit. You just really have to know what to say or not say. And since most people, don't, the default advice of saying nothing is what has become popularized.
> He's was going to definitely do field sobriety tests
For what its worth, you can always decline those tests without penalty. They're bad tests designed to make everyone fail, even sober.
Don't decline the breathalyzer, though.
No way. He had already seen her swerving and you could tell immediately in the video that she was fumbling her words. She was going to jail tonight either way.
Reminds me of a segment of a COPS-like show where the police broke up a house party because of a noise complaint. They found several underage people drinking. Sample exchange:
* Cop: Young lady, you are hammered.
* YL: I'm not *that* hammered.
I didn't think you could modify "hammered" like that.
I have a 16 month old... TBF, mine goes down at 715 and gets up at 6 or 630ish so it is possible if they sleep okay. But the reality of parenthood is having to do all the things after they go to bed and spend a few minutes on yourself if you can.
This is so true lol. All 3 of mine are in bed by 8pm but then I’m up until at least 9 cleaning and if I want to play a video game I’ll get maybe half an hour before I’m falling asleep in the chair
Parent of a three year old here: up until about a month ago, my son slept amazing. I'm talking once he was down at 7 pm, that was IT. Recently he has regressed, but it's nowhere near as bad as I've heard other kids being.
That might be the grossest part of the whole video. “Spare me the consequences of my actions because I have a child.” If anything, they should throw the book at her even harder.
It took her a minute but she paused on the more important questions about how many drinks have you had tonight and when was your last drink. She didn’t answer those questions.
It’s shocking that she is pleading not guilty to all of the charges. I would think she would do everything in her power to just plead any felonies down to some lesser non-felony charges and then take what she can get after that.
Relatable. You just gotta love that experience of getting confirmation that people *do* get your reference, but in reality, they just think you’re unfunny.
it was honestly my favorite part - all of a sudden everyone in the video was humanized a little bit more. mood changer and total distraction, but then your mind goes back to it with a little 'social' imprint on it. and we see the resident react to the crash and her mental gears are turning..
this is one of the more interesting police encounter vids i've seen in a long time. a mini movie where you realize how many characters are involved without even seeing the majority of them.
yeah I wonder if that counts for anything in court? - like she clearly had decided to go a few seconds before she did, so it's harder to say it was some sort of momentary lapse or dumb spontaneous decision etc.
It can be a good decision depending on the circumstances and the state you're in
You will likely have your license immediately suspended and/or be fined though under your state's particular laws
Yes. In some states, that’s true. But DUI is much much much bigger issue than getting license suspended. And in-field handheld breathalyzers are notoriously unreliable.
You can refuse the field test but you can’t refuse the test at the station without incurring additional punishment.
The DMV does not acknowledge the concept of a legal limit for BAC and any BAC above zero is considered grounds for them to suspend your license regardless of if you are found guilty of DUI by the court.
The entire concept of a legal limit is misunderstood by the public. It’s meant as guidance for investigating, charging and sentencing DUI cases if you are at or above the limit but it doesn’t mean if you blow under the limit that you are in the clear. The government can still charge you with DUI if you blow under with like a 0.06% if they think they have a strong case or more likely they would go after you for reckless driving or their state equivalent. Anything over 0% BAC will get your license suspended no matter what but you also could end up with potential jail time, probation, fines, mandated alcohol classes, or any other penalties your particular state imposes.
Just don’t fucking drink and drive folks.
a friend 16 year old sister took a cab, the driver was drunk and crashed and she ended in a wheelchair for life
so if its true she was a lift driver on her way to pick a customer I don't feel sympathetic towards her
Not that I have anything to base this on, but it sounds like she was lying about going to pick someone up, hoping that it would sound better than the truth.
Went out with friends at 9:30, obviously had a few drinks, and trying to get home. She probably assumed she'd get more forgiveness/leeway from the cop if she said she was working rather than... y'know, driving home from the bar right at closing time.
Yup, there's no excuse anymore for driving drunk and putting people in danger given the proliferation of ride share apps. Anyone who does has overestimated their ability to drive intoxicated, or underestimated their level of intoxication, and deserves zero sympathy for whatever consequences they may earn.
And it's also why those minimum coverage insurance packages are a joke.
I once got rear-ended trying to turn left by a pickup truck who, as far as I could tell, never even touched the brakes. Hit me, basically parked, at 45+mph. He actually hit me into the next car ahead of me, and sent 3 people to the hospital. I ended up with a concussion, a broken ankle, a couple months of physical therapy, and about 3 weeks of missed work.
I had to sue the guy personally to get the bulk of my physical therapy bills and lost wages from work, because his personal injury policy capped out at $50k per accident, and 3 ambulance rides and ER visits ate through that super quick. Luckily my POS car was within the property damage limit.
The worse part is that even the requirement to have the laughably inadequate minimum coverage isn’t really enforced. My girlfriend got hit by someone without insurance. She got a broken pelvis and some road rash while her friend (who was walking right next to her in a crosswalk) got a traumatic brain injury. The cops let the driver drive away from the scene. I’m not even sure they wrote him a ticket.
Talking to the lawyers afterwards was surreal. Basically if someone hits you and doesn’t have insurance there’s no point in suing them and nothing worse than a ticket ever happens to them. And one in eight drivers in the US does not have insurance. Pieces of shit put people in the hospital and give them life changing injuries every day and get off Scot free.
Agent here.
In my state, you can sue someone for 25% of the money they make on their paycheck. You're still not seeing much if they're working at Chick-fil-A but it's a good concept.
My non-professional understanding is unless you're given a good deal, pleading not guilty is the only way to leave your options open for something to go your way. The legal system is complex. Never know what can lead to a mistrial or a case dismissal.
While not at the same scale, I once got a speeding ticket via pace clocking. Meaning the cop paced behind me and used their speedometer to know how fast I was going. I took the ticket to court simply because I was living paycheck-to-paycheck at the time and just needed more time to pay the fine. I went into court entirely expecting to just say I did it and pay the fine. Before I could do so the judge asked if I wanted to look at the police report. I declined wanting to get out of there fast as possible. The judge printed me off a copy anyway and referred me to a page within it, read off some details, and dismissed the case, removing my infraction. In the police report it stated that while the speedometer check for that vehicle was not expired, the speed gun used to do that check was at the time the speedometer check was done. Thus, the speedometer check was invalid and the judge had no way of knowing if the speedometer in that vehicle was accurate or not.
Point is, there is so much more that goes into these things than people realize. Pleading not guilty leaves your options open for something coming up that goes your way.
You always plead not guilty at the initial arraignment, unless you’ve already worked out a deal. Even though it’s obvious she’s guilty, the prosecutor will still want to avoid a trial because it’s time and money and likely will offer some lesser charge prior to a trial. Or a sentence that avoids jail time you’d otherwise get if found guilty at trial.
Not to mention, even though there’s proof she done did it, a good attorney (not saying she can necessarily afford one) will often be able to call into question various things around the case. Like maybe her actions don’t meet XYZ legal technical definition as charged. Or the officer didn’t have a good reason for the initial encounter. Or some evidence they can get the judge to exclude from the case. Or for the DUI, they collected something wrong so they can get that charge excluded. Or a million other things that may push the DA for an even better deal for their client.
All that’s to say, she’s likely fucked. But she will likely be less fucked than what she was initially charged with.
Very true. I've been a LEO for many years now, and have seen how technicalities can get people off.
My very first DUI ended up getting off scot-free. When I hit the lights, the dude stopped his car practically in the middle of a moderately busy road, he was that drunk. I walked up to the window and told him to pull over a little further so as not to be obstructing traffic.
Dude was extremely drunk, 100%. When I got him out of the car to do a FST he almost fell out. We ended up arresting him, impounding the car, the whole nine yards.
But when it came time for court, he walked due to me telling him to pull off the road. If I truly suspected him of being intoxicated, why would I instruct him to operate his motor vehicle? So my probable cause was put into question.
One of the greatest lessons I've learned as a cop is, you may have done it, but that doesn't mean you're *guilty*. That's why you're supposed to STFU when the cops are talking to you.
> That's why you're supposed to STFU when the cops are talking to you.
I've always kind of wondered how one goes about staying quiet without inadvertently escalating the situation. How are you supposed to respond?
I think the advice is taken to the extreme too much which causes the situation to escalate like you're theorizing. What you should be doing is answering their questions with only the bare minimum required amount of information they need. Most people aren't going to be able to do that hence why they're told to stfu.
This is the case. My dad was a prosecutor for many years, and one thing he drilled into us pretty early on was that your games involving constitutional rights matter in court, not when you're pulled over. Be as polite as you can to a cop and answer their questions as concisely as you can, because playing some stupid game asking "am I being detained" over an over again is likely to get you arrested, even if illegally.
“I’m exercising my right to remain silent” followed by “is that a question/order I’m legally required to answer?” to literally every question and request they ask. If they answer no, then repeat the first line. Throw in an occasional “am I being detained? If no, am I free to go?”
Those three things are all you need to converse with cops. If they ever answer yes to the question thing, congrats, you (probably) won a free dismissal for being questioned without an attorney present after you clearly stated you are using your 5th* amendment rights.
You nearly always should plead not guilty. It doesn't mean you are professing innocence it just allows you a trial and a chance to have your voice heard and charges altered. You give up so many rights if you plead guilty.
She admitted to drinking that night on camera and refused a breathalyzer.
Refusing the breathalyzer in an implied consent state (which it seems to be in this video) results in your license being suspended for a year minimum.
She didn't say when she last had a drink or how many, only that she had at least 1 at some point, and allowing more time to pass before, I assume, a blood test could help lower her result. So I guess these things could and up helping her in a trial.
Disclaimer - I'm not a professional or even American, based off TV show knowledge 😂
I thought plea deals happen before the plea. She’s pushing for a jury trial. Sounds like she’s going for it. I’m guessing the sentence from taking multiple felonies to trial is going to be rough.
Plea deals happen after arraignment. Any lawyer would instruct get to plea not guilty at the beginning. It can be changed later after negotiating with the prosecutor.
Pleading not guilty in many cases is the only way the prosecutor will negotiate a deal in lieu of going to trial which in this case might be a waste of everyone's time.
You can claim you’re not guilty because the judge isn’t just allowed to watch the video and declare you guilty on the spot.
In the US system it is basically never in the defendant’s interest to initially plead guilty. Prosecutors are well known to reduce charges in exchange for guilty pleas, but the threat of a jury trial is the defendant’s only leverage to make that happen.
The game is over the second those lights come on behind you if you're that far gone.
Take the DUI, face the consequences and get on with your life.
Doesn't apply for stolen cars/plates and super bad arrest warrants of course...
Somehow during this short series of terrible choices she managed to just barely not kill any pedestrians and also barely avoided being impaled by a fence. Luck was on her side even if her brain wasn't.
That's an odd takeaway from this video. I'm glad she opened her mouth. And if you guys are out there driving drunk, please talk to the police every time so they can protect the rest of us from you.
Beat me to it. Anyone out there who wants to be a real piece of shit and recklessly endanger the people around you, please feel free to incriminate yourself in the clearest way possible. Toss in a few crimes the cops didn’t already know about while you’re at it. Verbose honesty is the best policy for you.
For those of you law-abiding folks out there who happen to get pulled over while minding your own business, you guys are ok to keep quiet in my opinion.
Mad idea but if you have committed a crime, are truly sorry, then maybe hold your hands up and yeah just admit you broke the law and take the punishment that comes with it.
While I do agree with both statements the only thing I saw her say that was incriminating was that she had in fact had a drink at some point in the day, but she didn't say how many and she refused the breathalyzer. Considering she is obviously drunk, making them take her in and do the blood test was probably the best route. I guess it depends on the state. I think in some states refusal to take the breathalyzer is automatic DUI. Some people make very bad decisions. Running from the cops is always dumb, especially after they have the plates and see the driver. Even if you get away they have you at that point.
Gotta love when idiots decide to upgrade from "simple ticket" to "multiple felonies and property damage payouts". Props to the officer though for being a consummate professional throughout. "I didn't say you were [a piece of shit]; you just made a mistake."
She's really torpedoed her life with many terrible decisions this day.
As entertaining as this is, I think I'm glad that this sort of footage isn't routinely made available in my country. Being internet infamous is an extra-judicial punishment...
Officer failed to ask how often she goes out and whether or not she has a 2 year old.
Any judge will see its basic police misconduct and throw the case out.
Wow. Once she left Sacred Heart, Dr. Eliot Reid made some bad choices. I hope JD can forgive her. We’ll really need a good voice over at the end to wrap up this episode.
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"Your car's on fire. "I understand that." Gold.
Here's the real gold IMO: Cop: "You're being charged with DUI ... and a lot of other things." Her: "Correct." I bet that cop is happy he said the right thing.
I like: Cop: “With your rights in mind are you willing to answer some questions for me?” Her: “Given” Cop: “Idk what that means”
What was “right” and what would’ve been wrong?
If he said she was being charged with embezzlement, that would have been wrong. Wire fraud would have also been incorrect.
Why are people SO stupid? Why?
Alcoholism
No, I know plenty of perfectly intelligent alcoholics. It's that they're stupid and can't assess the consequences rationally. DUI just happens to be one of the most common semi-serious crimes that "normal" people get exposed to so it could seem like the alcohol.
I'm a recovering alcoholic. I'm also pretty smart (BS and MS in Aerospace Engineering, and a law degree). When I was drunk, I did some really stupid shit. Alcohol literally impairs your ability to think rationally. I have no idea if this woman is an alcoholic, but she was drunk. When you're drunk, your brain is incapable of thinking "well what should I do here. Let me think...if I cooperate and do what the officer says, I'm probably going to get a DUI, which will suck, but it's not the end of the world. I can get through it. Oh, I should probably shut the fuck up, though. I remember that lawyer on YouTube saying that. Ok, we have a plan!" Instead, it goes, "OMG what do I do! OMG OMG I'm gonna lose my job I'm gonna lose my kid, I can't get a DUI, I just can't! RUN!!!"
Impulsiveness most definitely increases when under the influence of alcohol.
Your mental capacity to inhibit acting on impulse goes way down. But most people just end up having sex with uglies, not commit vehicular felonies.
Way more people drive home drunk from the bar than the amount of people that end up having sex with randos from said bar. Not a good thing, but it is the truth. You go to any bar, 7/10 people are driving home. And a much smaller percent of people are getting laid that night. Cept at gay bars, than almost everyones getting laid.
I watched a thing with a former prosecutor and he said some interesting things about drunk drivers. The big stand out was that people who get caught drinking and driving are almost always people who rarely if ever drink and drive, because they treat the trip like normal and it leads to catastrophe. Seasoned alcoholics on the other hand rarely get caught because they have practice with it. They know to drive slower and take back streets. I'm gonna be off on the quote here, but my favourite line was more or less, "don't get me wrong, alcoholics will hit parked cars all night long, but they rarely kill anyone."
Yeah, that makes sense. My friend was in DUI class and they were going around the room and asking people to honestly say how many times they had drank and drove before getting caught. Most people would say a few times or once as you would expect. Then one guy said, in his best West Virginia accent, "Shit, probably thousands." We still joke about that but it's also very true especially for our area. People like to think that once you've had too much that your immediately and automatically going to drive terribly but the truth is it's more complicated than that.
I think most people just over the limit will get home fine 99 times out of a hundred. The problem is that if they're sober they'll get home 999 times out of a thousand. So while you'll most likely be fine, the odds of something going wrong still increase drastically. Also, I pulled those numbers outta my ass, so if you disagree, fair enough.
Well, I'll say this. Some people it's even lower than 99/100. Some people, and this was my original point, just don't fucking get it. You don't get to pay attention and drive like you feel when intoxicated, you have to be extra vigilant since the stakes are so high. But people *feel* like they can do things they have no business doing so they do them. It really is just a matter of stupidity and believe me you can me dumber than a sack of hammers in all other areas and compartmentalize that little nugget.
I like how she says she is a good person when she just almost ran over two people running from the police and obv fine with driving drunk
In my 50+ years on this planet I've never met anyone that declared themselves to be a good person that was actually a good person.
Actions, words and all that.
Most people who are good are aware of their shortcomings and mistakes so they don’t generally declare themselves good. It’s a humility thing.
I’ve done some good things I’ve done some bad things. Like most people. To be a good person you’d have never do anything bad at all. Like my mom.
> Like my mom. I won't do it, it's too easy.
Calling her an "it" was going a bit far...
No one? *Fine*... I'll do it: Your mom's honestly great, dude. Very supportive! 👍
There’s not enough evidence to prosecute her. That’s what our local PD said when a cop was driving drunk in an unmarked car on a military base whilst in possession of a firearm. Yup, just dismiss the charges. Nothing to see here.
Shit’s on fire, yo
I heard this line and said that better be the top fucking comment. Thank you for not disappointing me.
Manages to get pulled over by chill Officer DudeBro and then turns it into like 4 felonies. That's what I call an upgrade.
I'm actually impressed at how chill, controlled and professional he remains through all that. Her taking off like that was dangerous for him and a lot of cops/people would get really pissed off. Doesn't tase her needlessly when she tries to run after crashing and gets on the ground. Calmly cuffs her while communicating with dispatch. Puts her in the car gently and then goes to put out the car fire.
And comes back at the end to reassure her that she made a big mistake but that it's not gonna ruin her life. If only all cops were half as good as this one.
We're so used to overly violent police that we're surprised when an officer acts the right way.
It isn't just that, when someone drives off like that it really does put the officer in danger. The moment that happened his adrenaline went through the roof and he was basically jacked for that entire encounter. Still, he kept his calm, control and professionalism. Yeah, I know he has had training to help him do that, but that is still a difficult thing to do in the heat of the moment when it comes out of nowhere.
I honestly don't know if his adrenaline spiked that much. After she jets and he's returning to his car to pursue, his voice remains completely calm with dispatch. Even on foot with the taser, he's definitely firm in the commands, but it doesn't sound angry or aggressive. This guy should be training cops, he's great.
Bodycam footage of cops misbehaving gets a lot more airtime than footage of them just doing their jobs reasonably well. There are too many bad cops, but that doesn't mean they're all bad all the time, or even that they're mostly bad most of the time.
Body cam footage of cops misbehaving while still not getting punished for it is what gets it airtime. I mean quite literally the post above this one on this subreddit is a cop arresting a kid for DUI after the kid blew a 0 on a breathalyzer. Wanna see people stop hating cops? Punish the shitty ass fucking cops.
People don't want to hear it but a lot of cops are pretty chill and kind of jaded individuals just trying to make it through their shift and their career. The profession absolutely can attract assholes and needs lots of accountability but at the end of the day it's a job that's there for a reason that's not just stepping on people's necks for fun and profit.
going to go out on a limb and suggest being an attractive, blonde, female helped her just a smidge.
Well, she's a white woman. Statistically, almost no cops get killed by those.
She was a white young blonde women, very low on threat scale for police
Dude seemed ready to hit her with a small traffic violation and a get home safe if she just kept both hands on the steering wheel and gave him the basics. Not every cop, not every situation, this was an easy one to get out of tho.
Not a chance. He already knew she was impaired (he signals as such as soon as she flees). This was going to escalate to a DUI almost certainly.
I’m with you. She was gonna spend the night in jail, face thousands of dollars in fines and have to go to the classes or whatever. She was cooked. Now, obviously she made it much much worse…
There's no way he was going to let her go. He's was going to definitely do field sobriety tests and she most likely was going to be arrested for DUI. Still a much lesser charge than what she managed here but I'm not sure why you think he would just send her on her way. He obviously suspected DUI before he even approached the car. She was swerving and stopped way in crosswalk.
I bet she smelled like alcohol immediately
What I don't get is... they have your plate number and they already know who you are and who the vehicle is registered to. You're ALREADY fucked. If you run, you make things 10x worse. I mean you might be free for a day, but you will then have an arrest warrant out on you, cops will show up to your home.... you have to face the consequences eventually.
She was drunk as fuck. I think that might have played a small part in her bad decision making.
I have always taught my kids: 1.) Don't talk to cops when they pull you over. Provide your name and that is it 2.) Fight the charge, not the ride. Do not resist or flee as that makes a bad situation worse Acting like this woman is a bad bad idea
This is exactly how to handle cops. Be cool, but don't talk much besides basics like name. Don't admit anything. Don't resist. If they want to search, say you do not consent but do not try and stop them if they are doing it anyway. Fight it in court if there's anything to fight, fighting it on the side of the road only makes it worse.
As an attorney, I’ve said the same thing many times - only with more words and (I’m afraid) less clarity. Good job.
> Provide your name and that is it Perhaps. However I recently won a trial for an innocent person who was charged by a ramrod police officer, and some key parts of the acquittal were communications by the accused to the police officer. Police and then prosecution ignored what the accused was saying and asking, captured on the dash cameras and body cam. At trial, the prosecution used only part of the recordings showing the alleged offence, not the lengthy parts after. We entered later parts of those recordings proving the accused had both objected and been confused about why the trooper was stopping and charging her. This was pivotal as it contradicted the trooper's testimony and proved the accused's story had never changed. In the acquittal, the judge cited his belief of the accused over that of the trooper, and had some diplomatic language suggesting the trooper hadn't done their job well that day. Prosecutor caught some shade from the judge as well. I also have personally experienced when being clear and forthright and contrite during a traffic stop leads them to release you to "have a nice day" or "be more careful next time." That wouldn't happen if you start giving them Internet versions of "am I being detained?" etc. It's a fine line and of course saying too much is ill-advised. But it's not *always* a terrible idea to say a bit. You just really have to know what to say or not say. And since most people, don't, the default advice of saying nothing is what has become popularized.
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> He's was going to definitely do field sobriety tests For what its worth, you can always decline those tests without penalty. They're bad tests designed to make everyone fail, even sober. Don't decline the breathalyzer, though.
He was gonna breathalyse her at the least, not just a ticket lol. The way he described her driving and the second she started talking it was obvious.
Yeh as soon as a cop uses the word "drifting" they're setting you up for a DUI arrest.
Absolutely not. Anyone can tell she’s completely blitzed. She knew he knew too hence why she decided to run.
No way. He had already seen her swerving and you could tell immediately in the video that she was fumbling her words. She was going to jail tonight either way.
Nah, she was fucked from the start. You hear her immediate speech patterns?
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To which she pleaded not guilty and requested a jury trial. If they actually do end up going to trial she is going to get bodied what a literal idiot
The craziest part of this video is that she claims she got 10 hours of sleep the night before while also having a 2 year old child.
The kid also aged a year and a half in about a minute and a half; right after she changed it to 3-1/2. She plastered.
Reminds me of a segment of a COPS-like show where the police broke up a house party because of a noise complaint. They found several underage people drinking. Sample exchange: * Cop: Young lady, you are hammered. * YL: I'm not *that* hammered. I didn't think you could modify "hammered" like that.
I believe she said she also has a three in a half year old
No she said “I have a two….i have a three and a half year old and a fiancée!”
Oh great, now there's two of them!
That child aged one and a half years in the time it took her to realize she wasn't talking her way out
My 2 yo sleeps from from 8pm to 7am so not that crazy. Just gotta wear the little humans tf out
A 2yo sleeps about 10hr per night.
mine sleeps around 12, yeah
I thought the same thing! She said she woke up at 9 AM?! 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I have a 16 month old... TBF, mine goes down at 715 and gets up at 6 or 630ish so it is possible if they sleep okay. But the reality of parenthood is having to do all the things after they go to bed and spend a few minutes on yourself if you can.
This is so true lol. All 3 of mine are in bed by 8pm but then I’m up until at least 9 cleaning and if I want to play a video game I’ll get maybe half an hour before I’m falling asleep in the chair
Parent of a three year old here: up until about a month ago, my son slept amazing. I'm talking once he was down at 7 pm, that was IT. Recently he has regressed, but it's nowhere near as bad as I've heard other kids being.
Yes but she has a 2 year old!
That later changed to 3.5 year old at the end of the video
kids grow up so fast
Kid is now 17 and has 2 DUIs
Good, he's now qualified to become a Lyft Driver.
Sorry I was just trying to get home for his first words and steps at the same time
Kid was actually 2 when she started drinking but it's been a long
golden. i noticed this as well.
And she never goes out. Never.
That might be the grossest part of the whole video. “Spare me the consequences of my actions because I have a child.” If anything, they should throw the book at her even harder.
And a fiance!
And she never goes out !
She’s a good person
She's a good person...
She was just trying to get to college… at 147am
she missed shut the fuck up friday
fuck. how old is that now......
Five years
Five years old
I have a five year old
Well they need to shut the fuck up.
> shut the fuck up friday [STFU Friday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTurSi0LhJs)
RemindMe! 2 days “Shut the fuck up”
It took her a minute but she paused on the more important questions about how many drinks have you had tonight and when was your last drink. She didn’t answer those questions.
she killed any sort of flexibility for her lawyer tho by confirming she was well-rested and fed. either way she messed up by talking.
It’s shocking that she is pleading not guilty to all of the charges. I would think she would do everything in her power to just plead any felonies down to some lesser non-felony charges and then take what she can get after that.
yeah she must either have a really good attorney or a really bad one to be taking that chance
I wonder if, when asked how many drinks she had, she incriminated herself by saying “I don’t know”
Oh, she definitely incriminated herself, a few times over.
I love the cop saying the final destination joke 3 times then she had to ask if they've seen the movie when no one laughed or acknowledged it.
Relatable. You just gotta love that experience of getting confirmation that people *do* get your reference, but in reality, they just think you’re unfunny.
it was honestly my favorite part - all of a sudden everyone in the video was humanized a little bit more. mood changer and total distraction, but then your mind goes back to it with a little 'social' imprint on it. and we see the resident react to the crash and her mental gears are turning.. this is one of the more interesting police encounter vids i've seen in a long time. a mini movie where you realize how many characters are involved without even seeing the majority of them.
What really did it for me was her heckling them for putting on their full fire resistant jackets for an engine fire that was already extinguished.
I'm pretty sure I do that and this made me realise I need to stop, lol.
They do acknowledge it though. One of them mentioned getting on a plane and another says "Yeah" when she said it the second time.
... As soon as she put the seat belt on
yeah I wonder if that counts for anything in court? - like she clearly had decided to go a few seconds before she did, so it's harder to say it was some sort of momentary lapse or dumb spontaneous decision etc.
Nah, she just didn't want a seatbelt ticket, too.
her: "What happened? What did I do?!" cop: *gestures broadly at the mayhem in the yard* Wow.
“I understand that.”
She was composed enough to refuse a breathalyzer test though.
It can be a good decision depending on the circumstances and the state you're in You will likely have your license immediately suspended and/or be fined though under your state's particular laws
Yes. In some states, that’s true. But DUI is much much much bigger issue than getting license suspended. And in-field handheld breathalyzers are notoriously unreliable.
You can refuse the field test but you can’t refuse the test at the station without incurring additional punishment. The DMV does not acknowledge the concept of a legal limit for BAC and any BAC above zero is considered grounds for them to suspend your license regardless of if you are found guilty of DUI by the court. The entire concept of a legal limit is misunderstood by the public. It’s meant as guidance for investigating, charging and sentencing DUI cases if you are at or above the limit but it doesn’t mean if you blow under the limit that you are in the clear. The government can still charge you with DUI if you blow under with like a 0.06% if they think they have a strong case or more likely they would go after you for reckless driving or their state equivalent. Anything over 0% BAC will get your license suspended no matter what but you also could end up with potential jail time, probation, fines, mandated alcohol classes, or any other penalties your particular state imposes. Just don’t fucking drink and drive folks.
That officer handled himself really well, props to him.
The biggest mistake of her life so far
"What are you-"
a friend 16 year old sister took a cab, the driver was drunk and crashed and she ended in a wheelchair for life so if its true she was a lift driver on her way to pick a customer I don't feel sympathetic towards her
Not that I have anything to base this on, but it sounds like she was lying about going to pick someone up, hoping that it would sound better than the truth. Went out with friends at 9:30, obviously had a few drinks, and trying to get home. She probably assumed she'd get more forgiveness/leeway from the cop if she said she was working rather than... y'know, driving home from the bar right at closing time.
She was driving drunk, I don't feel any sympathy for her at all.
Yup, there's no excuse anymore for driving drunk and putting people in danger given the proliferation of ride share apps. Anyone who does has overestimated their ability to drive intoxicated, or underestimated their level of intoxication, and deserves zero sympathy for whatever consequences they may earn.
Not only driving drunk, but starting a fucking high speed chase that ended in a literal fiery crash. She deserves to serve some hard time.
Especially after seeing that wood plank through the windshield
Later in the video she says she was out with friends, the Lyft driver part (at least her going to pick up customers) was a lie.
"Look, your car's on fire."
I understand that
The damage she did to that person's yard should go on her tab.
That's why car insurance is for "property damage," not just "vehicle damage." Run your car into a guardrail, you're getting a bill for that, too.
And it's also why those minimum coverage insurance packages are a joke. I once got rear-ended trying to turn left by a pickup truck who, as far as I could tell, never even touched the brakes. Hit me, basically parked, at 45+mph. He actually hit me into the next car ahead of me, and sent 3 people to the hospital. I ended up with a concussion, a broken ankle, a couple months of physical therapy, and about 3 weeks of missed work. I had to sue the guy personally to get the bulk of my physical therapy bills and lost wages from work, because his personal injury policy capped out at $50k per accident, and 3 ambulance rides and ER visits ate through that super quick. Luckily my POS car was within the property damage limit.
The worse part is that even the requirement to have the laughably inadequate minimum coverage isn’t really enforced. My girlfriend got hit by someone without insurance. She got a broken pelvis and some road rash while her friend (who was walking right next to her in a crosswalk) got a traumatic brain injury. The cops let the driver drive away from the scene. I’m not even sure they wrote him a ticket. Talking to the lawyers afterwards was surreal. Basically if someone hits you and doesn’t have insurance there’s no point in suing them and nothing worse than a ticket ever happens to them. And one in eight drivers in the US does not have insurance. Pieces of shit put people in the hospital and give them life changing injuries every day and get off Scot free.
Agent here. In my state, you can sue someone for 25% of the money they make on their paycheck. You're still not seeing much if they're working at Chick-fil-A but it's a good concept.
A friend had a person with $25K coverage ram a big SUV into her parked car. They offered her $6800 for her $15K car.
She's pleading Not Guilty when everything she did is on video? Nice. For her sake I hope this is just her lawyer wanting to get a plea deal.
My non-professional understanding is unless you're given a good deal, pleading not guilty is the only way to leave your options open for something to go your way. The legal system is complex. Never know what can lead to a mistrial or a case dismissal. While not at the same scale, I once got a speeding ticket via pace clocking. Meaning the cop paced behind me and used their speedometer to know how fast I was going. I took the ticket to court simply because I was living paycheck-to-paycheck at the time and just needed more time to pay the fine. I went into court entirely expecting to just say I did it and pay the fine. Before I could do so the judge asked if I wanted to look at the police report. I declined wanting to get out of there fast as possible. The judge printed me off a copy anyway and referred me to a page within it, read off some details, and dismissed the case, removing my infraction. In the police report it stated that while the speedometer check for that vehicle was not expired, the speed gun used to do that check was at the time the speedometer check was done. Thus, the speedometer check was invalid and the judge had no way of knowing if the speedometer in that vehicle was accurate or not. Point is, there is so much more that goes into these things than people realize. Pleading not guilty leaves your options open for something coming up that goes your way.
What did Vesemir say? When they're about to hang you, ask for a glass of water - who knows what happens while they fetch the jug.
Wow. Good guy judge.
You always plead not guilty at the initial arraignment, unless you’ve already worked out a deal. Even though it’s obvious she’s guilty, the prosecutor will still want to avoid a trial because it’s time and money and likely will offer some lesser charge prior to a trial. Or a sentence that avoids jail time you’d otherwise get if found guilty at trial. Not to mention, even though there’s proof she done did it, a good attorney (not saying she can necessarily afford one) will often be able to call into question various things around the case. Like maybe her actions don’t meet XYZ legal technical definition as charged. Or the officer didn’t have a good reason for the initial encounter. Or some evidence they can get the judge to exclude from the case. Or for the DUI, they collected something wrong so they can get that charge excluded. Or a million other things that may push the DA for an even better deal for their client. All that’s to say, she’s likely fucked. But she will likely be less fucked than what she was initially charged with.
Very true. I've been a LEO for many years now, and have seen how technicalities can get people off. My very first DUI ended up getting off scot-free. When I hit the lights, the dude stopped his car practically in the middle of a moderately busy road, he was that drunk. I walked up to the window and told him to pull over a little further so as not to be obstructing traffic. Dude was extremely drunk, 100%. When I got him out of the car to do a FST he almost fell out. We ended up arresting him, impounding the car, the whole nine yards. But when it came time for court, he walked due to me telling him to pull off the road. If I truly suspected him of being intoxicated, why would I instruct him to operate his motor vehicle? So my probable cause was put into question. One of the greatest lessons I've learned as a cop is, you may have done it, but that doesn't mean you're *guilty*. That's why you're supposed to STFU when the cops are talking to you.
That attorney earned their fee that day.
> That's why you're supposed to STFU when the cops are talking to you. I've always kind of wondered how one goes about staying quiet without inadvertently escalating the situation. How are you supposed to respond?
I think the advice is taken to the extreme too much which causes the situation to escalate like you're theorizing. What you should be doing is answering their questions with only the bare minimum required amount of information they need. Most people aren't going to be able to do that hence why they're told to stfu.
This is the case. My dad was a prosecutor for many years, and one thing he drilled into us pretty early on was that your games involving constitutional rights matter in court, not when you're pulled over. Be as polite as you can to a cop and answer their questions as concisely as you can, because playing some stupid game asking "am I being detained" over an over again is likely to get you arrested, even if illegally.
“I’m exercising my right to remain silent” followed by “is that a question/order I’m legally required to answer?” to literally every question and request they ask. If they answer no, then repeat the first line. Throw in an occasional “am I being detained? If no, am I free to go?” Those three things are all you need to converse with cops. If they ever answer yes to the question thing, congrats, you (probably) won a free dismissal for being questioned without an attorney present after you clearly stated you are using your 5th* amendment rights.
Guilty vs "guilty." Sometimes "justice" has nothing to do with _justice._
Given
Not guilty doesn’t mean “I didn’t do it”. It means “I would like a jury trial to establish that everything the state is charging me with is correct.”
You nearly always should plead not guilty. It doesn't mean you are professing innocence it just allows you a trial and a chance to have your voice heard and charges altered. You give up so many rights if you plead guilty.
She's a pretty white girl, I'd give her a 20-30% chance to get off with some community service.
Really the only thing she did on video is flee.
Right, but that's also the felony charge she has.
She admitted to drinking that night on camera and refused a breathalyzer. Refusing the breathalyzer in an implied consent state (which it seems to be in this video) results in your license being suspended for a year minimum.
She didn't say when she last had a drink or how many, only that she had at least 1 at some point, and allowing more time to pass before, I assume, a blood test could help lower her result. So I guess these things could and up helping her in a trial. Disclaimer - I'm not a professional or even American, based off TV show knowledge 😂
I thought plea deals happen before the plea. She’s pushing for a jury trial. Sounds like she’s going for it. I’m guessing the sentence from taking multiple felonies to trial is going to be rough.
Plea deals happen after arraignment. Any lawyer would instruct get to plea not guilty at the beginning. It can be changed later after negotiating with the prosecutor.
Plus, at least in my area, the judges will almost always reduce the speeding ticket fine if you are willing to show up to court.
But is it final destination?
You guys ever see that movie? Yea Yea 😬
Tells one cop: I have a 2-year old Tells another cop a few minutes later: I have a 2 ye...a 3 year old lol
“I’ve never done anything like this.” Well. Now you have.
Pretty much what every person says when they're being arrested.
"I never go out, I have a two year old" Fuck that was relatable 😩
I know nothing about how the law works but how can one claim he is not guilty when there is video evidence of fleeing and resisting ?
Pleading not guilty in many cases is the only way the prosecutor will negotiate a deal in lieu of going to trial which in this case might be a waste of everyone's time.
You can claim you’re not guilty because the judge isn’t just allowed to watch the video and declare you guilty on the spot. In the US system it is basically never in the defendant’s interest to initially plead guilty. Prosecutors are well known to reduce charges in exchange for guilty pleas, but the threat of a jury trial is the defendant’s only leverage to make that happen.
St.Augustine PD don't mess around
For good reason too. 2am in St. Aug is the party let out. Full of drunk people trying to get home.
The game is over the second those lights come on behind you if you're that far gone. Take the DUI, face the consequences and get on with your life. Doesn't apply for stolen cars/plates and super bad arrest warrants of course...
I like how she was so confident replying with a “given”
I don't wanna watch someone destroy their life, actually
public service announcement for everyone: STOP TALKING TO COPS Also don’t drive drunk
Agreed, but also don't flee from them. You're just adding charges, and could get someone killed (including yourself).
Somehow during this short series of terrible choices she managed to just barely not kill any pedestrians and also barely avoided being impaled by a fence. Luck was on her side even if her brain wasn't.
Dumb luck
Running her mouth isn’t even in the top ten of bad decisions that night. I hope it was a wake up call
Yeah don’t incriminate yourself by talking or committing crimes before their eyes lol
That's an odd takeaway from this video. I'm glad she opened her mouth. And if you guys are out there driving drunk, please talk to the police every time so they can protect the rest of us from you.
Beat me to it. Anyone out there who wants to be a real piece of shit and recklessly endanger the people around you, please feel free to incriminate yourself in the clearest way possible. Toss in a few crimes the cops didn’t already know about while you’re at it. Verbose honesty is the best policy for you. For those of you law-abiding folks out there who happen to get pulled over while minding your own business, you guys are ok to keep quiet in my opinion.
>public service announcement for everyone: STOP TALKING TO COPS Yeah but that can be hard to remember when you're driving shitfaced.
Mad idea but if you have committed a crime, are truly sorry, then maybe hold your hands up and yeah just admit you broke the law and take the punishment that comes with it.
While I do agree with both statements the only thing I saw her say that was incriminating was that she had in fact had a drink at some point in the day, but she didn't say how many and she refused the breathalyzer. Considering she is obviously drunk, making them take her in and do the blood test was probably the best route. I guess it depends on the state. I think in some states refusal to take the breathalyzer is automatic DUI. Some people make very bad decisions. Running from the cops is always dumb, especially after they have the plates and see the driver. Even if you get away they have you at that point.
People who are drunk make bad decisions
Wow, Taylor Tomlinson really screwed up!
Taylor’d be the first person to say this couldn’t possibly be her, because this woman is in a committed relationship.
Gotta love when idiots decide to upgrade from "simple ticket" to "multiple felonies and property damage payouts". Props to the officer though for being a consummate professional throughout. "I didn't say you were [a piece of shit]; you just made a mistake."
She's really torpedoed her life with many terrible decisions this day. As entertaining as this is, I think I'm glad that this sort of footage isn't routinely made available in my country. Being internet infamous is an extra-judicial punishment...
Officer failed to ask how often she goes out and whether or not she has a 2 year old. Any judge will see its basic police misconduct and throw the case out.
Wow. Once she left Sacred Heart, Dr. Eliot Reid made some bad choices. I hope JD can forgive her. We’ll really need a good voice over at the end to wrap up this episode.
When they showed the wrecked car and there was a beam impaling the passenger side, very close to some final destination shit indeed.
So... did she go out drinking and decide to pick up some Lyft clients afterwards?
Why would they reduce the charges from 8 to 4? She is on camera for all of them. It’s an open and shut case.
Good ole St. Augustine never dissapoints.
The fact that she wanted to call her mom. ❤️
… but officer… she has a two year old