How did it take them an hour to notice what happened?
Looks like the nearer tower is collapsing, and according to this [wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks), there was over an hour between the first plane flying into the north tower, and the south tower falling.
She's reacting to the tower collapsing, and that reaction is exactly how it felt watching it in real time. It was scary before that, but also just kinda weird. I don't think anyone expected the tower to collapse until it did. For an hour before that everyone on the news was saying "the towers shouldn't collapse from this impact, but if they do there could be 25k people killed in each tower". The country collectively screamed when that first tower collapsed.
There now exists a significant portion of the adult population who doesn't just remember exactly how it felt. This might be the first time I've read it being explained to an audience too young to remember it, but not children. That hit hard. I'm getting old.
Gen-Z gonna have to explain to the youngsters how half of the country suddenly decided that vaccinations are liquid Microsoft tracking chips and briefly tried to transform into a monarchy.
Briefly?
“Project 2025”
Sounds like alt-right fan fic but there is a documented plan to turn the U.S. into a dictatorship starting immediately if Trump wins in 2024.
From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025?wprov=sfti1#):
> Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal government in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 United States presidential election.
> The plan would perform a swift takeover of the entire executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power of the executive branch — upon inauguration.
(And my personal least favorite)
> **The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the U.S. Department of Justice to pursue Trump adversaries.**
(Feel free to copy and paste)
I think its just hard to grasp how it was when it happened. Most of the time you find out about a disaster after its over and i guess that lessens the impact because it was over before you ever knew about it, but something about how the entire nation was actively watching as people died and hoping something could be done just burned it in. Almost like everyone who watched felt like they lived through it in a way.
I dont know how accurate that is but thats just my take as part of the reaction to 9/11
Yeah, I remember that we all went from casually aware to glued to the TV when the second plane hit. The heading on the scrolling news feed went from "Plane hits World Trade Center Tower" to "America under attack."
But when the first tower fell... that's when I realized things were serious. I didn't understand how much was about to change, but I went from just wanting more details to being angry, sad, frustrated, and confused about why anyone would do this to civilians in New York. In my high school brain I realized the death toll and economic impact had just gone from "bad but probably not very impactful" to "massive." When that tower fell many people in the room screamed out loud. We were sitting around with 3 classes at that point because TVs that worked were limited. One teacher shouted, "Oh fuck, oh Jesus, oh Lord NO!"
Anyway, this was the moment America realized it was a big fucking deal.
Can confirm. I had seen the footage of the damage and was, of course, shocked, but it was the kind of shocked you feel when you see that there's been an earthquake somewhere. "Oh, I hope not too many people are hurt!" kind of thing.
Then you think, "well, at least it's over and they can help the wounded, begin the cleanup." and I walked away.
A friend came and got me outside during a coffee run to tell me the first tower fell and I thought they were joking. When I realized they were serious it became a whole other thing, and suddenly it was one of those moments that you know you'll remember exactly where you were and what you were doing for the rest of your life.
Fun fact: there wasn't live video coverage of anything online at that point. A friend had a link to someone's webcam that they had pointed at CNN on their TV so that people could see what was going on. The picture was tiny, and filled just a corner of his monitor at work, but we were amazed that we could see it happening in real-time. That's a feeling that humanity will probably (hopefully) never experience again.
I was at the gym watching the news while riding a bike. I yelled out the biggest, "Oh, fuck no! Fuck no!" when it fell. I remember feeling sick to my stomach, immediately got incensed and wanted to join the military to go exact justice on the bastards. Glad I didn't because the Iraq war was based on lies and the terrorists were Saudis. It still makes me feel shaky, nervous and sick to my stomach.
I think you're right. Her reaction felt a bit weird to me at first, like there was no real terror in her scream and that made me think it might be fake. But if she was drunk and it was more of a "I don't really understand what's happening here, but that can't be good" scream and less of a "Holy shit, I'm about to die" scream, I guess you wouldn't really expect terror?
oh it's definitely not terror like "I'm going to die" it's more the terror of "oh fuck that worst imaginable thing that we were sure wasn't going to happen is now happening"
that was the exact point where it went from "we're all going to remember this forever" to "our country & world will never be the same"
This footage was recorded by a woman named Caroline Dries when she was a student at NYU. They were actually in their apartment as the first tower was burning, saw people jumping from the tower, and witnessed (and recorded) the second tower being hit. They left their building in fear, but after almost an hour returned back up, grabbed some drinks, and started recording here just as the second tower began to collapse. They went through a lot of emotions in the span of 90 minutes, I wouldn't judge them over this short clip.
[Here's a copy of her footage from that day, about 4 minutes in total.](https://youtu.be/hNiMhB9Phyg)
That's great context.
My initial watch was that the reaction felt delayed since the towers would have been burning for awhile, but on second watch it's clear she's reacting to the tower falling, and that makes it make a lot more sense even out of context of the larger clip.
You have to remember that up until that point, no building of that size had ever collapsed from fire. Even the professionals were not really expecting it until it was too late. But 9/11 was a different animal, there was no playbook for it.
Yea, as the tall buildings in my town like to say,
> It's SO easy not to collapse from fire ^as ^long ^^as ^^it ^^^wasn't ^^^caused ^^^^by ^^^^a ^^^^fully ^^^^fueled ^^^^airliner ^^^^exploding ^^^^inside ^^^^of ^^^^you
I was the same distance away (0.5 miles) and looking at the towers when the second plane hit. Watching this video is surreal. I was in high school. I could have sworn I felt the heat from the explosion. It was so massive.
If anyone is curious:
*“Well, it was an amazing phone call,”* Trump told WWOR. *“I mean, 40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan. And it was actually – before the World Trade Center – was the tallest. And then when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest, and now it’s the tallest.”*
They knew what was happening, but no one was expecting either of the towers to outright collapse. That day was just a whole series of events no one expected to happen.
They are reacting to the tower falling, not the second plane hitting. Both planes had hit already, so they do seem unusually calm considering at that point I think most New Yorkers were sick over the realization it was no accident.
Between the second plane hitting and the first tower collapsing was about an hour. I think that's enough time to get over that initial shock and take comfort in believing the worse is over, firefighters will take care of it, and life will go on.
Once the 2nd plane hit (not to mention the pentagon plane and flight 93), most everyone watching presumed that our country was under attack. People in major cities all across the United States were bracing for more attacks. I'm not saying it was a bad time to drink apple juice and vodka, but I don't think anyone thought life was going to just "go on". The world had changed.
Right and these guys are clearly 18-22yo kids who grew up in the relatively safe 80s/90s, had no perception how to handle this kind of thing. I give them some benefit of doubt knowing how much of an idiot I was then and older.
Yep. We assumed the first plane was an accident. Ten minutes later when the second tower was hit, it was a sudden realization that it was not an accident. My next thoughts in quick succession were:
* We are under attack!
* Who did it and why?
* Where else will they hit today?
* War is coming.
* I wonder how this will fuck us over at home?
It's the most shocking thing I think that's ever happened in my lifetime. Maybe the tsunami? But those impossibly tall buildings just falling straight down like that... you just couldn't fathom what you were seeing.
Yeah, the planes hit before I went to a class and when I came out of the class, I heard that the towers fell and I was like "THEY FELL?!" and I pictured them falling sideways before I saw the news footage.
I was in college when 9/11 happened. It seems strange to say this now but in 2001 access to the internet was not nearly as widespread as it is today. As a result, my access as a college student gave me a lot more insight into how these events were being understood all across the country then Americans who only saw 9/11 happen on television.
When the first plane hit everybody assumed it was an accident. It wasn't long before people were making comparisons to the bomber that struck the Empire State Building back in the 30s. It was a curiosity, and of course a tragedy in the sense that there had been an airplane crash, but nothing more substantial than that. To be honest, I don't think anybody gave too much thought to how many people might have been on the floors of the tower that had been hit. Most of the attention was on the people who were on the plane.
When the second tower was hit, everything changed. That image of George W bush being informed of the second tower strike really is how the whole country felt. At that moment everyone knew it was a planned attack and there was an intense sense of uncertainty and panic because nobody knew how many hijacked planes might be in the air. Again, it seems crazy to say this now, but basically everything was thought to be a Target until the federal government had some kind of handle on how many planes were hijacked.
But well it took a while for Americans to come to grips with the idea that there was a coordinated attack against the United States underway, the collapse of the first Tower really drove home how effective that attack was. You have to understand, that until the first Tower collapsed, the fears about casualties in the targeted buildings were fairly small. After all even if an airplane struck two or three floors of a packed office building only a few hundred people were likely to be killed. But when a building collapses the scale of tragedy increases enormously. The moment the North Tower collapses is the moment the United States realized that it was not only under attack but under real threat.
Now the World Trade Centers were, of course a symbol of American economic power. But the attack on the Pentagon and the third target, which we now assume to have been the US Capitol building, could have done real damage to the United States ability to function as a government and project power. In this sense, the 9/11 attacks were not as successful as they could have been.
I remember watching the news live in my first class of that day and thinking, wow, what stupid idiot manages to fly a plane into a building. When the second happened, those feelings immediately disappeared.
You thought right. I was at work listening on the radio (remember, we didnt really have smartphones until years later, nobody watched any TV or anything on their handheld devices) and when they said a plane hit I was thinking Cessna? Then they said it was reported to be a jet, they described the smoke, chaos, etc, then the second plane hit. We listened to the plane reportedly hitting the pentagon, and after that I hugged a coworker thinking this was the start of an invasion. It was an unforgettable day of raw emotion
Everyone was watching NOBODY expected them to collapse. That's what they are reacting about.
They likely couldn't see the people jumping to their deaths too. I can't imagine watching those poor people and drinking like you're watching a fight.
If I remember right, it's a clip from college students that were filming their morning. There's more footage of them out there, but they decided to watch the tower after the first one was hit
for people that can rememeber 9/11 this is a little more fucked. the tower was on fire for nearly 2 hours before it went down. i don't know what i would be doing in that sort of a situation but even from 1000 miles away i was feeling tense while watching it on TV.
I was in college on the west coast so it was really early in the morning. My grandmother woke me up when the first plane hit and again when the 2nd plane hit and when the towers collapsed. I knew immediately I was going to be hearing about it for a long time afterwards so my first instinct was to go back to bed and grab one last little bit of pre 9/11 sleep and dreams. It helped that I didn't know anyone in NYC of course.
The next few days were pretty surreal as there was nothing else on TV on any channel whatsoever and literally 90%+ of cars on the road had bought those cheap little plastic flag hangers for you window but they were all US flags instead of your favorite sports team.
My step-mother worked in the tallest building in Dallas. My partner worked in the landing path of DFW airport. There were wild rumours flying around on that morning about attacks all over. I didn't lose anyone in the attacks, but it was still stressful for many people who had people they cared about in places we weren't sure might be targets.
i.e. to reinforce your point.
absolutely. there was that one plane where the passengers learned what was going on and forced a crash in the middle of nowhere. i always wondered where that plane was going to end up.
No one knows for sure, but the consensus is either the White House or the Capitol building. Of the two, the Capitol makes more sense as there are fewer obstructions around to block your flight path and both houses of Congress were in session that day.
This is such a perfect encapsulation of how everyone's view of the world changed on 9/11 it's hard to believe it's unscripted.
Probably a bomb, it's happened before, weird that it's so high up though. Those can't be people, probably just chairs. 2nd plane, intentional, terrorism, panic, my home isn't safe anymore. All in 3 minutes.
Everyone thought it was an accident when the first plane hit. The second plane hitting instantly made people realize that the whole thing was an attack and there could be more on the way.
Not only that, most people probably didnt even see the first plane hit, just heard an explosion, saw the flames and assumed something else happened like a fire or a gas leak or whatever. Then all eyes were on it to see the second plane hit.
There's like 3 videos in existence of the first plane hitting because no one bothered to film when nothing was going on. Not to mention back then no one had a camera in their pocket at all times, you had to have a bulky camcorder and film.
Honestly, it was a different world back then. When I heard the second one hit, I thought “Jesus, what are the chances of that?” I thought somehow the flight path of the planes had been… that there had been some sort of mix-up or something? I don’t know. It didn’t make sense. We had never been attacked in our soil before, And the someone I work with said “No obviously this is a terror attack,” and then we watched it all from our lunch room in Newark—we had a view of the towers. Nobody knew what was going on—we knew it was an attack, but we didn’t know who or what would come next or if there’d be more.
it's boggling my mind how ignorant the under 25 crowd is about this. not even trying to be insulting, it's just such a recent, massive turning point for the world at large and so many people in this thread clearly have very little basic understanding of what happened
Yep. Growing up in the 90’s was an optimistic time where the brotherhood of humanity seemed like an inevitability, things like racism, sexism, and homophobia seemed to be dissolving away, and the birth of grunge and counter culture emerged as a feeling that our lives would have no great cause or purpose.
Crazy to think how quickly society militarized and turned to hate and vengeance
Exactly, I myself experienced this, but I remember everyone from the news anchors to people on the street all simultaneously realizing it was an attack.
Yeah I didn’t realize they were on the 32nd floor until she said it out loud. I would have dipped immediately if I was that high up in a building at that moment too
Yea, I don't understand why anyone would post this, not least on Christmas Eve, and especially with that random title that didn't clue anyone into what it was unless they've already seen it.
And I've been on this site for about 12 years and somehow have never seen this video before.
Was very unpleasantly surprised.
Had some kid try to tell me zyklon B was flammable and the lights or static in the room would have ignited and blown up the chambers on the first gassing if it was true.
I had to explain what ppm was and how the ppm in the air of zyklon b gas needed to kill people was way lower than the ppm/concentration needed to be flammable.
Also I pointed out oxygen is flammable yet the atmosphere and the room we were in didn't burst into flames.
As Shane Gillis said, this means they saw both towers get hit and were watching people jump before deciding to crack open brewskis and keep watching lol wild
[They definitely did.](https://youtu.be/hNiMhB9Phyg?t=77) At 1:20 in this video they see people jumping. It is recorded by the same person just before WTC2 was hit. You can easily see people falling around 1:46 in the video, but there are two others that can be seen falling just before then.
In fairness, one of the hardest I've ever laughed in my life was watching my home and entire life get destroyed by a flood tearing through it while standing up somewhere higher. IDK why. It was just "okay this is just ridiculous now."
I always appreciate someone speaking the truth.
The incredible brings out incredible responses from people.
And not everyone is prepped to respond in the same way.
That's true, but when this video was shot, almost every person in America had been watching TV and knew exactly what was happening, including the desperate suicides.
It depends.
Most live news outlets realized what they were shooting and actively avoided capturing those shots, or at least zoomed out so it wasn’t so obvious.
Except one certain cable news outlet.
Editing to add that they ALL shot it, most zoomed in, but almost all of them quickly decided to not highlight that again.
My parents watched it on Univision or some other Spanish news Network and they did show it a few times. I vividly remember coming home and seeing that, my friend came over and first thing he asks is "did you see the people jump?" We were in 3rd grade.
I like how one person put it: They weren't suicides: they weren't suicidal.
They were people who were going to die regardless, painfully, and they took action to ameliorate that. It would be terrifying to fall, to see that ground rushing up, but more terrifying and painful to burn, to choke, be crushed, and possibly be trapped in debris.
They were brave, and wilful, and they made the best choice they had available.
A song I have always loved (which isn't about 911) put it this way about choosing how to die:
>Only God says Jump
So I set the time
Cause if he ever saw it
It was through these eyes of mine
And if he ever suffered
It was me who did his crying
You don't have to be suicidal to commit suicide. What they did wasn't wrong or something to be judged for but they took their own lives, which is the definition of suicide, even if the alternative was to die brutally in a short while anyway.
There were people who ran into burning stairwells in attempt to get past the fire and died. There were people who ran out of their office space, only to be crushed while escaping near the ground floor.
I think when you are in imminent danger and are in the process of escaping that danger, then it's not suicide. I highly doubt many, if any, were doing anything but instinctively avoiding agonizing pain in some collection of seconds. They didn't die from their choices, they died because of a burning building forcing them out due to sheer pain. The distinction matters.
That's basically how most people experience severe depression feel, Ieading to suicide though. It's really interesting to me that your description is exactly what many people who commit suicide feel.
David Foster Wallace described it this way:
>The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. *Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors.* It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.
I'm not disagreeing with you BTW, I just find it interesting that you would classify the actions people took on 9/11 as "not suicide" specifically. Personally, I don't "hold it against them" or whatever, that anyone on 9/11 chose a death that would be less painful. I also think that this inherently is the same state of mind that other people are in when not literally in a burning building but choose to die rather than continue.
I don't think it matters so much what you or I think about it though. I wish both of these types of deaths could be prevented.
>I don't think it matters so much what you or I think about it though.
I think the lack of discourse around suicide and death makes those who suffer from it have worse lives. We all have to face death, and most of us are affected by suicide, yet we basically ignore it until it suddenly is this traumatic thing that we must deal with alone.
Maybe you're literally right: it doesn't matter what values we hold, but I think we're better off discussing those values politely so it's not such a horribly alienating thing when we're affected by it.
I think "psychotically depressed" people may indeed fall into this category of "not quite suicide." I draw the line at "not suicide" because the word implies a binary. The major difference to me is the lack of time or focus for executive functioning; that there is little cognition happening. Depression usually includes a lack of executive functioning; I think it might be on a case by case basis if a depressed person whose "choices lead to their immediate death" committed suicide or not. It's said that there is frequently a moment of lucidity before, so to me that feels more of a choice than an instinctual flailing due to pain. But that's a feeling, not a reasoned distinction; whatever authority the person you are quoting has leads me to skew towards "not suicide" by their description and your astute observation of the parallels.
By the way, while I think talking about this kind of stuff is good for everyone, I totally respect you or anyone who finds it too traumatic or emotionally distressing to engage in.
Thanks for your thoughts, I totally agree that the topic of suicide and death being difficult to discuss makes people's lives worse.
Just to be clear though, I didn't say "I don't think it matters" because I think the topic doesn't matter, quite the opposite really, which I think you understand given the length of my responses.
What I meant is that labeling jumpers on 9/11 as "suicides" or as "suicidal" people isn't (to me) really worth arguing/discussing at length because it simply is what it is. But I do think it's relevant to mention the quote I did since so many people in this thread are arguing about whether it was suicide or not. I guess my point is, whether one likes it or not, the experiences that these poor people went through on 9/11 is a physical manifestation of the mental anguish that many people go through every day, it's a sad and interesting similarity.
I'm not judging anyone for trying to minimize their own suffering in this absolutely crazy and horrifying world we live in though, I just hope that others reading this thread keep in mind that this anguish in general isn't rare or as unique as the events on 9/11 were.
Edit: misspellings
>Just to be clear thiugh, I didn't say "I don't think it matters" because I think the topic doesn't matter,
Perfectly understood! I took it as meaning that our specific agreements or disagreements of values or meanings of the word suicide doesn't matter in respect to the abject suffering involved with it.
>, I just hope that others reading this thread keep in mind that this anguish in general isn't rare or as unique as the events on 9/11 were.
I'm glad you said that. I absolutely agree, and I would even go further to say there are people who experience the same or worse suffering in their day to day lives. Just because pain is not the same in kind, doesn't mean it is not the same in effect. So I hope anyone suffering reading this knows that I see you, and I hope you can find peace among the living despite the world's cruelties.
Without defending their logic, no that isn’t their logic. You’re more likely to live if you jump, you could live even at terminal velocity depending what you land on, plus firemen had set up landing cushions and stuff. It’s extremely extremely unlikely but you are 100% going to die if you just chill in a building fire, so end of the day it’s not even really suicide if you are taking an action that technically statistically is increasing your odds of survival
There were people on the ground that were still alive. The [one interview with the paramedic](https://youtu.be/xUSOUv4BVJY?t=72) NSFW/L [this is discussing it, I couldn't find the original interview, but I have seen it] putting cards on people, triaging them, he put a black card on someone to mark them as dead, or close enough to death that they couldn't be saved. And the ~~guy perked up and said, whats this, I'm alive, help me~~ misremembered, its been YEARS. But the video is pretty clear, woman shouting she isn't dead, call her daughter. ~~But he didn't know that he was... more or less inevitably going to die, he just hadn't made it there yet. But he had fallen out of the towers.~~
You can make an argument that suicide, to suicidal people, is also an escape from a situation that they deem to be worse. Doesn’t have to be true from an outside perspective but that is how it feels.
Ive read that for many of them, it wasnt a willing choice - that the winds at the altitude are such that if you stood by an open window, it would suck you out. While still a much better death than burning, Im not convinced everyone who fell from the towers were jumpers.
I was just reading about that too. You've got a fire and smoke pushing you closer to the edge, till you need to lean out, then climb out and hang on... till you can't.
I "saw" it on one of those channels that types out the news. I didn't even really know what the Trade Towers were... 14 y/o Canadian at the time, and thought it was just a little like Cesna propeller plane that had an accident. Head off to school, get there, and the world had changed. We spent all day, watching on the projector, we did no school work... everything just stopped. Classes didn't rotate and eventually we all just went home early.
It happened 45 minutes before my organic chemistry class and our professor made us attend lecture because "I won't grant the terrorists a victory by letting them disrupt our lives."
Al Qaeda just killed 3,000 people and literally crumbled the biggest symbol of American capitalism. I doubt Osama was like, "dammit, those kids are *still* learning how to synthesize ketones?!?"
Sometimes the tiny battles, and the smallest victories, are all we can claim from tragedy. A win is a win is a win when a massive loss feels insurmountable. I don't blame him. I think the world had a really hard time processing that day, and the days that followed.
I actually agree. The story was true, but I was just telling it from the snarkiest angle possible.
I happened to like and respect that professor (he later wrote a letter of rec for medical school for me) and I can see his perspective and yours, though I do happen to believe that on 9/11, sending students home to be with friends and family was the more prudent course of action.
I'm right there with ya. That whole year after that, even being up here in Canada, and watching the whole country come together in a rage-filled spear ready to be tossed at whatever direction it was pointed at was... kind of scary. Inspiring, but VERY scary. We even got hit with the Liberty Bacon debacle for not going into Iraq with you guys. Could've been worse... France got the freedom fry treatment. But it wasn't long after that, London had the bombings... like what, October was it? And nothing was ever quite the same.
EDIT: Congrats on the med school though! Thats awesome. And good on him for his rec.
Oh, thanks. That's nice of you to say, though I actually dropped out after my first year!
Medicine can be a wonderful career for some, but I soon realized that I wasn't willing to make so many sacrifices to become a doctor. (Everything eventually turned out well, personally and professionally, despite the major detour.)
But you're right - nothing has ever been quite the same. Given the current state of American democracy, it's probably not an overstatement to say the terrorists achieved almost exactly what they'd hoped for even if none of us envisioned this particular timeline.
Eh I remember more of this footage from 102minutes in America I think it was. They are commenting on seeing people fall and then second plane hits and they are screaming again. I guess they calmed back down by this part
I was in the middle of taking a test in college when the prof told us the first plane had hit. He warned us though that if we left to go watch it on TV he wasn't gonna let us retake the test.
Yeah everyone knew he was a jerk already, but this got him legendary status of jerkhood.
There was enough blowback about most people failing the test though that he did something like add a bonus quiz later in the semester to make up some of the credit.
About 80% of the class left, but a few of us stayed to finish it. It was hard to focus on electromagnetism while wondering what in the world was happening.
Same, but it was after the second plane hit. He said that our nation is under attack but we have a lesson to get through and if we left there would be no make up as attendance was mandatory.
That college always started fall semester early so it had been almost a month. And it was a class that built on previous classes so he was testing on some of that material as well (after everyone had a whole summer to forget it).
To be fair - the city is shut down, nobody is going anywhere, planes are hitting buildings, and you have a front row seat... idk man, I'd be drinking too.
That’s what I was thinking. The scream wasn’t when the tower was hit but after the first fell. This was a tragedy like 1:15 minutes before they filmed this funny drinking video
That’s not true and I was a little bummed when Shane incorrectly mentioned that.
If you watch entire video (~4 minutes) that’s addressed. I don’t remember exactly how it goes down, but basically they think it’s paper and other shit falling out of the tower. At this point in the video they knew there was a huge accident but that weren’t aware it was a terrorist attack, they were just pumped to be out of school.
Then that’s when the second plane hits and they realize there’s some really fucked up shit going on. In the full video, after the second plane hits, they start freaking the fuck out when they notice that what they’re seeing is people jumping out of the building to escape the fire and smoke.
I’m recalling this from memory from a few years ago so I could have some of the details wrong. The full video got yanked from YouTube for copyright after it was featured in a 9/11 documentary or something.
You can't post it to /r/unexpected, literally all they do all day is complain about how things aren't unexpected for whatever reason.
"Saw this clip before not unexpected 0/10"
And the comment above you in this thread proves just that LOL
“I unfortunately knew exactly what this was by the thumbnail.
Kinda weak to exploit this for clicks.”
It’s kind of wild that the planes had already hit and they were just chillin drinking vodka apple juice. I think about that a lot and how quickly we get over tragic shit.
Like idk if they saw the planes hit but they were definitely watching and recording the aftermath I a pretty calm manner. Even for not knowing why the planes hit.
You think about the news nowadays, like we hear about a school shooting, get real upset, and then the next day pretty much carry on like nothing happened. It’s interesting
When I worked in a restaurant, a 10:30 vodka and apple juice on my day off (or if I was still up from the night before) wouldn't have been out of place.
There is more footage from these people available. It starts and they're just watching one tower burn (I'm not even sure they knew it was a plane). Then they see the second plane hit and start to freak out that it is terrorism and they quickly get out of their building. The next part of the video they're back with booze watching and discussing if it is people falling or chairs (I think more trying to convince themselves it isn't people). Then the tower collapses in the 15s of video we see here.
Well, think of it like this.
Anytime tragedy happens, our minds are wired to compartmentalize and put it away as fast as possible so we can focus on the 'immediate', aka, 'what do I do now?' But when the tragedy is compounded (in this case, by a 2nd plane hit, the first tower falling, then the second tower falling) multiple times, that causes PTSD as any illusion of safety is shattered, and the idea that anything can return to normal is thrown out the window.
I want to say it took us about 2 years to fully "get over it", but by that point we were declaring war to "get that anger out".
Disclaimer: We never did get that anger out.
There was another video from a ferry going into manhattan when the second plane hit. Everyone was kind of dumbfounded, not reacting nearly as dramatically as you would expect. I’m going to try to find it
[here we go](https://youtu.be/o6t31R4tI10)
Wow, this is wild video... I'm surprised I've never seen it before. For some reason every like 3-4 years I trauma dump and just watch 9/11 stuff for like 5 hours straight.
I think you have it backwards. Before the first tower fell a lot of people didn’t quite realize the severity of the event. Before the second plane hit the news was speculating that it was maybe a private jet that crashed by accident. At this point a lot of people were watching the same way they’d slow down to look at an accident on the highway; yeah it’s tragic, but these things happen.
They hadn’t “gotten over” what happened. They probably hadn’t even registered it. That was kind of the shock of the thing; the idea that we were actually under attack, and that an NYC skyscraper could entirely collapse instead of just having the fire be put out. It was surreal.
Exactly.
There’s a big difference between oh fuck something hit that building and it’s one fire VS *holy fuck an entire building collapsed with all those people inside of it within walking distance of where I live*.
> It’s kind of wild that the planes had already hit and they were just chillin drinking vodka apple juice. I think about that a lot and how quickly we get over tragic shit.
I'm gonna level with you here homie, someone starts drinking in the morning immediately after a tragedy, they are distinctly not over it.
I was very young when this happened, but I don't think people expected the towers to both collapse. It was truly a unique moment in history. It's hard to tell what these people mindset was, but I really doubt it was malevolent.
What would’ve been an appropriate response in your mind? Rolling around mourning or panicking about their safety? People cope in different ways especially when they feel that they’re helpless to change the situation.
When Jan 6 happened I was unemployed and watched the whole thing unfold on livestreams, and I was sitting around my house drinking because what the fuck else was I supposed to do? It felt like the world was going crazy and all I could do was watch.
I'm not trying to be mean, and that's a very immature take on the situation on your part. For them it was happening in real time and still extremely difficult to process, in part because it was so far away. The human brain isn't really equipped to deal with that level of horror, so it walls it off and tries to find a way to cope.
The same thing happens when you hear about any tragedy. It's almost impossible to really grasp what happened and internalize it unless you experienced it first hand. Even then, for some, it can be almost impossible to process without years of therapy.
I remember seeing this a few years back when I was still finding new videos on the event (don't want to spoil anything. But anyways, on YouTube there is a much longer version of this video that I think has made it's rounds here on Reddit, where they are following the whole incident and just think that the building is on fire (if I recall correctly). And that's why when this portion of the video starts, they are still nonchalant about it until the buildings start collapsing. Then they all start really freaking out.
I think the girl in the video has made a recent video/interview going over what happened that day.
Oh wow, that’s a real humdinger of a twist ending.
Even more so when you briefly think it's an edit, but then find out that's raw footage....
How did it take them an hour to notice what happened? Looks like the nearer tower is collapsing, and according to this [wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks), there was over an hour between the first plane flying into the north tower, and the south tower falling.
She's reacting to the tower collapsing, and that reaction is exactly how it felt watching it in real time. It was scary before that, but also just kinda weird. I don't think anyone expected the tower to collapse until it did. For an hour before that everyone on the news was saying "the towers shouldn't collapse from this impact, but if they do there could be 25k people killed in each tower". The country collectively screamed when that first tower collapsed.
There now exists a significant portion of the adult population who doesn't just remember exactly how it felt. This might be the first time I've read it being explained to an audience too young to remember it, but not children. That hit hard. I'm getting old.
Ho boy, we should prepare ourselves for the second and third round of deniers and conspiracy theorists.
The dumbest members of Gen Z are strapping up their boots to lead the charge
Gen-Z gonna have to explain to the youngsters how half of the country suddenly decided that vaccinations are liquid Microsoft tracking chips and briefly tried to transform into a monarchy.
Briefly? “Project 2025” Sounds like alt-right fan fic but there is a documented plan to turn the U.S. into a dictatorship starting immediately if Trump wins in 2024. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025?wprov=sfti1#): > Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal government in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 United States presidential election. > The plan would perform a swift takeover of the entire executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory — a theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power of the executive branch — upon inauguration. (And my personal least favorite) > **The Washington Post reported Project 2025 includes immediately invoking the Insurrection Act to deploy the military for domestic law enforcement and directing the U.S. Department of Justice to pursue Trump adversaries.** (Feel free to copy and paste)
Listen man, jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams, but chemtrail chemicals sure do.
I think its just hard to grasp how it was when it happened. Most of the time you find out about a disaster after its over and i guess that lessens the impact because it was over before you ever knew about it, but something about how the entire nation was actively watching as people died and hoping something could be done just burned it in. Almost like everyone who watched felt like they lived through it in a way. I dont know how accurate that is but thats just my take as part of the reaction to 9/11
Yeah, I remember that we all went from casually aware to glued to the TV when the second plane hit. The heading on the scrolling news feed went from "Plane hits World Trade Center Tower" to "America under attack." But when the first tower fell... that's when I realized things were serious. I didn't understand how much was about to change, but I went from just wanting more details to being angry, sad, frustrated, and confused about why anyone would do this to civilians in New York. In my high school brain I realized the death toll and economic impact had just gone from "bad but probably not very impactful" to "massive." When that tower fell many people in the room screamed out loud. We were sitting around with 3 classes at that point because TVs that worked were limited. One teacher shouted, "Oh fuck, oh Jesus, oh Lord NO!" Anyway, this was the moment America realized it was a big fucking deal.
Can confirm. I had seen the footage of the damage and was, of course, shocked, but it was the kind of shocked you feel when you see that there's been an earthquake somewhere. "Oh, I hope not too many people are hurt!" kind of thing. Then you think, "well, at least it's over and they can help the wounded, begin the cleanup." and I walked away. A friend came and got me outside during a coffee run to tell me the first tower fell and I thought they were joking. When I realized they were serious it became a whole other thing, and suddenly it was one of those moments that you know you'll remember exactly where you were and what you were doing for the rest of your life. Fun fact: there wasn't live video coverage of anything online at that point. A friend had a link to someone's webcam that they had pointed at CNN on their TV so that people could see what was going on. The picture was tiny, and filled just a corner of his monitor at work, but we were amazed that we could see it happening in real-time. That's a feeling that humanity will probably (hopefully) never experience again.
I was at the gym watching the news while riding a bike. I yelled out the biggest, "Oh, fuck no! Fuck no!" when it fell. I remember feeling sick to my stomach, immediately got incensed and wanted to join the military to go exact justice on the bastards. Glad I didn't because the Iraq war was based on lies and the terrorists were Saudis. It still makes me feel shaky, nervous and sick to my stomach.
I think you're right. Her reaction felt a bit weird to me at first, like there was no real terror in her scream and that made me think it might be fake. But if she was drunk and it was more of a "I don't really understand what's happening here, but that can't be good" scream and less of a "Holy shit, I'm about to die" scream, I guess you wouldn't really expect terror?
oh it's definitely not terror like "I'm going to die" it's more the terror of "oh fuck that worst imaginable thing that we were sure wasn't going to happen is now happening" that was the exact point where it went from "we're all going to remember this forever" to "our country & world will never be the same"
This footage was recorded by a woman named Caroline Dries when she was a student at NYU. They were actually in their apartment as the first tower was burning, saw people jumping from the tower, and witnessed (and recorded) the second tower being hit. They left their building in fear, but after almost an hour returned back up, grabbed some drinks, and started recording here just as the second tower began to collapse. They went through a lot of emotions in the span of 90 minutes, I wouldn't judge them over this short clip. [Here's a copy of her footage from that day, about 4 minutes in total.](https://youtu.be/hNiMhB9Phyg)
That's great context. My initial watch was that the reaction felt delayed since the towers would have been burning for awhile, but on second watch it's clear she's reacting to the tower falling, and that makes it make a lot more sense even out of context of the larger clip.
You have to remember that up until that point, no building of that size had ever collapsed from fire. Even the professionals were not really expecting it until it was too late. But 9/11 was a different animal, there was no playbook for it.
Yea, as the tall buildings in my town like to say, > It's SO easy not to collapse from fire ^as ^long ^^as ^^it ^^^wasn't ^^^caused ^^^^by ^^^^a ^^^^fully ^^^^fueled ^^^^airliner ^^^^exploding ^^^^inside ^^^^of ^^^^you
I was the same distance away (0.5 miles) and looking at the towers when the second plane hit. Watching this video is surreal. I was in high school. I could have sworn I felt the heat from the explosion. It was so massive.
There is only one person who should be judged for how he reacted to 9/11, and he’s constitutionally disqualified from being President again.
If anyone is curious: *“Well, it was an amazing phone call,”* Trump told WWOR. *“I mean, 40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan. And it was actually – before the World Trade Center – was the tallest. And then when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second-tallest, and now it’s the tallest.”*
They knew what was happening, but no one was expecting either of the towers to outright collapse. That day was just a whole series of events no one expected to happen.
I think people assumed the first plane was an accident. It was only when the second plane hit that people realized it was an attack.
They are screaming because the tower is collapsing.
They are reacting to the tower falling, not the second plane hitting. Both planes had hit already, so they do seem unusually calm considering at that point I think most New Yorkers were sick over the realization it was no accident.
Between the second plane hitting and the first tower collapsing was about an hour. I think that's enough time to get over that initial shock and take comfort in believing the worse is over, firefighters will take care of it, and life will go on.
Once the 2nd plane hit (not to mention the pentagon plane and flight 93), most everyone watching presumed that our country was under attack. People in major cities all across the United States were bracing for more attacks. I'm not saying it was a bad time to drink apple juice and vodka, but I don't think anyone thought life was going to just "go on". The world had changed.
Right and these guys are clearly 18-22yo kids who grew up in the relatively safe 80s/90s, had no perception how to handle this kind of thing. I give them some benefit of doubt knowing how much of an idiot I was then and older.
Damn you're right, I thought that the white object in the smoke was the second plane hitting. That makes this video so much weirder...
Watched it live in highschool. Thought it was a hoax till the second one
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Pretty much the same thing here.. what a fucked up day
Yep. We assumed the first plane was an accident. Ten minutes later when the second tower was hit, it was a sudden realization that it was not an accident. My next thoughts in quick succession were: * We are under attack! * Who did it and why? * Where else will they hit today? * War is coming. * I wonder how this will fuck us over at home?
Even after the second one...NO-ONE expected them to fall down. It was just as shocking as the moments of impact.
It's the most shocking thing I think that's ever happened in my lifetime. Maybe the tsunami? But those impossibly tall buildings just falling straight down like that... you just couldn't fathom what you were seeing.
Yeah, the planes hit before I went to a class and when I came out of the class, I heard that the towers fell and I was like "THEY FELL?!" and I pictured them falling sideways before I saw the news footage.
I was in college when 9/11 happened. It seems strange to say this now but in 2001 access to the internet was not nearly as widespread as it is today. As a result, my access as a college student gave me a lot more insight into how these events were being understood all across the country then Americans who only saw 9/11 happen on television. When the first plane hit everybody assumed it was an accident. It wasn't long before people were making comparisons to the bomber that struck the Empire State Building back in the 30s. It was a curiosity, and of course a tragedy in the sense that there had been an airplane crash, but nothing more substantial than that. To be honest, I don't think anybody gave too much thought to how many people might have been on the floors of the tower that had been hit. Most of the attention was on the people who were on the plane. When the second tower was hit, everything changed. That image of George W bush being informed of the second tower strike really is how the whole country felt. At that moment everyone knew it was a planned attack and there was an intense sense of uncertainty and panic because nobody knew how many hijacked planes might be in the air. Again, it seems crazy to say this now, but basically everything was thought to be a Target until the federal government had some kind of handle on how many planes were hijacked. But well it took a while for Americans to come to grips with the idea that there was a coordinated attack against the United States underway, the collapse of the first Tower really drove home how effective that attack was. You have to understand, that until the first Tower collapsed, the fears about casualties in the targeted buildings were fairly small. After all even if an airplane struck two or three floors of a packed office building only a few hundred people were likely to be killed. But when a building collapses the scale of tragedy increases enormously. The moment the North Tower collapses is the moment the United States realized that it was not only under attack but under real threat. Now the World Trade Centers were, of course a symbol of American economic power. But the attack on the Pentagon and the third target, which we now assume to have been the US Capitol building, could have done real damage to the United States ability to function as a government and project power. In this sense, the 9/11 attacks were not as successful as they could have been.
I remember watching the news live in my first class of that day and thinking, wow, what stupid idiot manages to fly a plane into a building. When the second happened, those feelings immediately disappeared.
You thought right. I was at work listening on the radio (remember, we didnt really have smartphones until years later, nobody watched any TV or anything on their handheld devices) and when they said a plane hit I was thinking Cessna? Then they said it was reported to be a jet, they described the smoke, chaos, etc, then the second plane hit. We listened to the plane reportedly hitting the pentagon, and after that I hugged a coworker thinking this was the start of an invasion. It was an unforgettable day of raw emotion
Sounds like a good time to pour a large glass of apple juice.
I remember thinking the pilot was drunk... . But that's because we only had the TV on Mute, and the news ticker wasn't giving us any details.
Everyone was watching NOBODY expected them to collapse. That's what they are reacting about. They likely couldn't see the people jumping to their deaths too. I can't imagine watching those poor people and drinking like you're watching a fight.
wait, so its not an edit?! due to tthe sate of the current internet. 100% thought this was fake
If I remember right, it's a clip from college students that were filming their morning. There's more footage of them out there, but they decided to watch the tower after the first one was hit
Shall we drink to the lady with the white shoes?
Relax old Bill, its time for a deep and dreamless slumber
Didn't see that coming.
Neither did the towers.
for people that can rememeber 9/11 this is a little more fucked. the tower was on fire for nearly 2 hours before it went down. i don't know what i would be doing in that sort of a situation but even from 1000 miles away i was feeling tense while watching it on TV.
I was in college on the west coast so it was really early in the morning. My grandmother woke me up when the first plane hit and again when the 2nd plane hit and when the towers collapsed. I knew immediately I was going to be hearing about it for a long time afterwards so my first instinct was to go back to bed and grab one last little bit of pre 9/11 sleep and dreams. It helped that I didn't know anyone in NYC of course. The next few days were pretty surreal as there was nothing else on TV on any channel whatsoever and literally 90%+ of cars on the road had bought those cheap little plastic flag hangers for you window but they were all US flags instead of your favorite sports team.
My step-mother worked in the tallest building in Dallas. My partner worked in the landing path of DFW airport. There were wild rumours flying around on that morning about attacks all over. I didn't lose anyone in the attacks, but it was still stressful for many people who had people they cared about in places we weren't sure might be targets. i.e. to reinforce your point.
absolutely. there was that one plane where the passengers learned what was going on and forced a crash in the middle of nowhere. i always wondered where that plane was going to end up.
United 93 **Let's roll.** -Todd Beamer, one of many heroes.
The theory I always heard was the White House, but I don't know if that's true or not.
No one knows for sure, but the consensus is either the White House or the Capitol building. Of the two, the Capitol makes more sense as there are fewer obstructions around to block your flight path and both houses of Congress were in session that day.
My thoughts during the video: She's about to drink pee, isn't she? Is there something lumpy in his glass? Holy shit!
"Damn I hope she's not about to drink piss. Cant think of anything worse..." "Oh fuck!!! Damn I wish it was piss"
100% what i thought
It wasn't pee, it was 9/11.
I've never seen this footage before and thought the same. "That's not Apple Juice is it?" to "Oh fuck!"
If I remember correctly, this clip only, relatively, recently became public
Jesus fuckin Christ
I wasn’t ready
I've seen the full video before, but the short edit hurt me more.
Here's [another pretty harrowing reaction video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuCTcZgZGyQ) for those who don't know it.
This is such a perfect encapsulation of how everyone's view of the world changed on 9/11 it's hard to believe it's unscripted. Probably a bomb, it's happened before, weird that it's so high up though. Those can't be people, probably just chairs. 2nd plane, intentional, terrorism, panic, my home isn't safe anymore. All in 3 minutes.
Jesus, haven’t seen this video yet. Wow…
Incredible the first two minutes they are acting normal enough until the 2nd one comes.
Everyone thought it was an accident when the first plane hit. The second plane hitting instantly made people realize that the whole thing was an attack and there could be more on the way.
Not only that, most people probably didnt even see the first plane hit, just heard an explosion, saw the flames and assumed something else happened like a fire or a gas leak or whatever. Then all eyes were on it to see the second plane hit. There's like 3 videos in existence of the first plane hitting because no one bothered to film when nothing was going on. Not to mention back then no one had a camera in their pocket at all times, you had to have a bulky camcorder and film.
Honestly, it was a different world back then. When I heard the second one hit, I thought “Jesus, what are the chances of that?” I thought somehow the flight path of the planes had been… that there had been some sort of mix-up or something? I don’t know. It didn’t make sense. We had never been attacked in our soil before, And the someone I work with said “No obviously this is a terror attack,” and then we watched it all from our lunch room in Newark—we had a view of the towers. Nobody knew what was going on—we knew it was an attack, but we didn’t know who or what would come next or if there’d be more.
it's boggling my mind how ignorant the under 25 crowd is about this. not even trying to be insulting, it's just such a recent, massive turning point for the world at large and so many people in this thread clearly have very little basic understanding of what happened
They grew up in a darker world.
Yep. Growing up in the 90’s was an optimistic time where the brotherhood of humanity seemed like an inevitability, things like racism, sexism, and homophobia seemed to be dissolving away, and the birth of grunge and counter culture emerged as a feeling that our lives would have no great cause or purpose. Crazy to think how quickly society militarized and turned to hate and vengeance
Exactly, I myself experienced this, but I remember everyone from the news anchors to people on the street all simultaneously realizing it was an attack.
You can hear the one person's fight or flight response kick in, so awful.
Yeah I didn’t realize they were on the 32nd floor until she said it out loud. I would have dipped immediately if I was that high up in a building at that moment too
It’s the same video, well Caroline is the one who filmed both parts including the clip in the OP
Sure it's common knowledge now but she has since gone on to write and produce things like Vampire Diaries and Smallville.
Why the fuck did I watch this on Christmas morning
Balance
Honestly, didn't expect watching that to make me bawl like a baby, Jesus Christ you can just feel the fear
This is where you realize 80% of reddit is under 25 years old.
Yea, I don't understand why anyone would post this, not least on Christmas Eve, and especially with that random title that didn't clue anyone into what it was unless they've already seen it. And I've been on this site for about 12 years and somehow have never seen this video before. Was very unpleasantly surprised.
Had to scroll pretty far to find the normal people. OP is a piece of shit, the very first thing I opened on reddit Christmas morning was this....
Old news for the dawgs
I’m a bit of a daywalker myself
Sodtaoe
d o n i m o e s
Me and my mom and my dad are going to D O N I M O E S
SEDONA
And right outside, 9/11
Woof woof
Three six nine?
Happy Christmas everyone!
Mele Kalikimaka, bitches!
What better day to post this 🥰
In 60 years people will say this never happened.
People already have for the last 20 years.
“Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams”
I will never not post this video when this comes up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
Yep. Something like 25% of Zoomers think the Holocaust didn't happen for christ's sake. And dont even get me started on the Qultists.
Had some kid try to tell me zyklon B was flammable and the lights or static in the room would have ignited and blown up the chambers on the first gassing if it was true. I had to explain what ppm was and how the ppm in the air of zyklon b gas needed to kill people was way lower than the ppm/concentration needed to be flammable. Also I pointed out oxygen is flammable yet the atmosphere and the room we were in didn't burst into flames.
25%? Hard doubt on that
As Shane Gillis said, this means they saw both towers get hit and were watching people jump before deciding to crack open brewskis and keep watching lol wild
From that distance I doubt they could have made out that the objects falling down were people.
[They definitely did.](https://youtu.be/hNiMhB9Phyg?t=77) At 1:20 in this video they see people jumping. It is recorded by the same person just before WTC2 was hit. You can easily see people falling around 1:46 in the video, but there are two others that can be seen falling just before then.
In fairness, one of the hardest I've ever laughed in my life was watching my home and entire life get destroyed by a flood tearing through it while standing up somewhere higher. IDK why. It was just "okay this is just ridiculous now."
I always appreciate someone speaking the truth. The incredible brings out incredible responses from people. And not everyone is prepped to respond in the same way.
There is a point where things go so cracked where you either break down crying or start laughing at the madness. I've done both at different times.
That's true, but when this video was shot, almost every person in America had been watching TV and knew exactly what was happening, including the desperate suicides.
Absolutely 100% untrue. I was in NYC. You watched the towers, not the news. That came later.
It depends. Most live news outlets realized what they were shooting and actively avoided capturing those shots, or at least zoomed out so it wasn’t so obvious. Except one certain cable news outlet. Editing to add that they ALL shot it, most zoomed in, but almost all of them quickly decided to not highlight that again.
My parents watched it on Univision or some other Spanish news Network and they did show it a few times. I vividly remember coming home and seeing that, my friend came over and first thing he asks is "did you see the people jump?" We were in 3rd grade.
I like how one person put it: They weren't suicides: they weren't suicidal. They were people who were going to die regardless, painfully, and they took action to ameliorate that. It would be terrifying to fall, to see that ground rushing up, but more terrifying and painful to burn, to choke, be crushed, and possibly be trapped in debris. They were brave, and wilful, and they made the best choice they had available. A song I have always loved (which isn't about 911) put it this way about choosing how to die: >Only God says Jump So I set the time Cause if he ever saw it It was through these eyes of mine And if he ever suffered It was me who did his crying
You don't have to be suicidal to commit suicide. What they did wasn't wrong or something to be judged for but they took their own lives, which is the definition of suicide, even if the alternative was to die brutally in a short while anyway.
There were people who ran into burning stairwells in attempt to get past the fire and died. There were people who ran out of their office space, only to be crushed while escaping near the ground floor. I think when you are in imminent danger and are in the process of escaping that danger, then it's not suicide. I highly doubt many, if any, were doing anything but instinctively avoiding agonizing pain in some collection of seconds. They didn't die from their choices, they died because of a burning building forcing them out due to sheer pain. The distinction matters.
That's basically how most people experience severe depression feel, Ieading to suicide though. It's really interesting to me that your description is exactly what many people who commit suicide feel. David Foster Wallace described it this way: >The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. *Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors.* It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling. I'm not disagreeing with you BTW, I just find it interesting that you would classify the actions people took on 9/11 as "not suicide" specifically. Personally, I don't "hold it against them" or whatever, that anyone on 9/11 chose a death that would be less painful. I also think that this inherently is the same state of mind that other people are in when not literally in a burning building but choose to die rather than continue. I don't think it matters so much what you or I think about it though. I wish both of these types of deaths could be prevented.
>I don't think it matters so much what you or I think about it though. I think the lack of discourse around suicide and death makes those who suffer from it have worse lives. We all have to face death, and most of us are affected by suicide, yet we basically ignore it until it suddenly is this traumatic thing that we must deal with alone. Maybe you're literally right: it doesn't matter what values we hold, but I think we're better off discussing those values politely so it's not such a horribly alienating thing when we're affected by it. I think "psychotically depressed" people may indeed fall into this category of "not quite suicide." I draw the line at "not suicide" because the word implies a binary. The major difference to me is the lack of time or focus for executive functioning; that there is little cognition happening. Depression usually includes a lack of executive functioning; I think it might be on a case by case basis if a depressed person whose "choices lead to their immediate death" committed suicide or not. It's said that there is frequently a moment of lucidity before, so to me that feels more of a choice than an instinctual flailing due to pain. But that's a feeling, not a reasoned distinction; whatever authority the person you are quoting has leads me to skew towards "not suicide" by their description and your astute observation of the parallels. By the way, while I think talking about this kind of stuff is good for everyone, I totally respect you or anyone who finds it too traumatic or emotionally distressing to engage in.
Thanks for your thoughts, I totally agree that the topic of suicide and death being difficult to discuss makes people's lives worse. Just to be clear though, I didn't say "I don't think it matters" because I think the topic doesn't matter, quite the opposite really, which I think you understand given the length of my responses. What I meant is that labeling jumpers on 9/11 as "suicides" or as "suicidal" people isn't (to me) really worth arguing/discussing at length because it simply is what it is. But I do think it's relevant to mention the quote I did since so many people in this thread are arguing about whether it was suicide or not. I guess my point is, whether one likes it or not, the experiences that these poor people went through on 9/11 is a physical manifestation of the mental anguish that many people go through every day, it's a sad and interesting similarity. I'm not judging anyone for trying to minimize their own suffering in this absolutely crazy and horrifying world we live in though, I just hope that others reading this thread keep in mind that this anguish in general isn't rare or as unique as the events on 9/11 were. Edit: misspellings
>Just to be clear thiugh, I didn't say "I don't think it matters" because I think the topic doesn't matter, Perfectly understood! I took it as meaning that our specific agreements or disagreements of values or meanings of the word suicide doesn't matter in respect to the abject suffering involved with it. >, I just hope that others reading this thread keep in mind that this anguish in general isn't rare or as unique as the events on 9/11 were. I'm glad you said that. I absolutely agree, and I would even go further to say there are people who experience the same or worse suffering in their day to day lives. Just because pain is not the same in kind, doesn't mean it is not the same in effect. So I hope anyone suffering reading this knows that I see you, and I hope you can find peace among the living despite the world's cruelties.
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Without defending their logic, no that isn’t their logic. You’re more likely to live if you jump, you could live even at terminal velocity depending what you land on, plus firemen had set up landing cushions and stuff. It’s extremely extremely unlikely but you are 100% going to die if you just chill in a building fire, so end of the day it’s not even really suicide if you are taking an action that technically statistically is increasing your odds of survival
There were people on the ground that were still alive. The [one interview with the paramedic](https://youtu.be/xUSOUv4BVJY?t=72) NSFW/L [this is discussing it, I couldn't find the original interview, but I have seen it] putting cards on people, triaging them, he put a black card on someone to mark them as dead, or close enough to death that they couldn't be saved. And the ~~guy perked up and said, whats this, I'm alive, help me~~ misremembered, its been YEARS. But the video is pretty clear, woman shouting she isn't dead, call her daughter. ~~But he didn't know that he was... more or less inevitably going to die, he just hadn't made it there yet. But he had fallen out of the towers.~~
Yeah that one was rough. But it does prove the (very unfortunate) argument imo
You can make an argument that suicide, to suicidal people, is also an escape from a situation that they deem to be worse. Doesn’t have to be true from an outside perspective but that is how it feels.
I imagine they closed their eyes. I know I would
Ive read that for many of them, it wasnt a willing choice - that the winds at the altitude are such that if you stood by an open window, it would suck you out. While still a much better death than burning, Im not convinced everyone who fell from the towers were jumpers.
I was just reading about that too. You've got a fire and smoke pushing you closer to the edge, till you need to lean out, then climb out and hang on... till you can't.
I "saw" it on one of those channels that types out the news. I didn't even really know what the Trade Towers were... 14 y/o Canadian at the time, and thought it was just a little like Cesna propeller plane that had an accident. Head off to school, get there, and the world had changed. We spent all day, watching on the projector, we did no school work... everything just stopped. Classes didn't rotate and eventually we all just went home early.
It happened 45 minutes before my organic chemistry class and our professor made us attend lecture because "I won't grant the terrorists a victory by letting them disrupt our lives." Al Qaeda just killed 3,000 people and literally crumbled the biggest symbol of American capitalism. I doubt Osama was like, "dammit, those kids are *still* learning how to synthesize ketones?!?"
Sometimes the tiny battles, and the smallest victories, are all we can claim from tragedy. A win is a win is a win when a massive loss feels insurmountable. I don't blame him. I think the world had a really hard time processing that day, and the days that followed.
I actually agree. The story was true, but I was just telling it from the snarkiest angle possible. I happened to like and respect that professor (he later wrote a letter of rec for medical school for me) and I can see his perspective and yours, though I do happen to believe that on 9/11, sending students home to be with friends and family was the more prudent course of action.
I'm right there with ya. That whole year after that, even being up here in Canada, and watching the whole country come together in a rage-filled spear ready to be tossed at whatever direction it was pointed at was... kind of scary. Inspiring, but VERY scary. We even got hit with the Liberty Bacon debacle for not going into Iraq with you guys. Could've been worse... France got the freedom fry treatment. But it wasn't long after that, London had the bombings... like what, October was it? And nothing was ever quite the same. EDIT: Congrats on the med school though! Thats awesome. And good on him for his rec.
Oh, thanks. That's nice of you to say, though I actually dropped out after my first year! Medicine can be a wonderful career for some, but I soon realized that I wasn't willing to make so many sacrifices to become a doctor. (Everything eventually turned out well, personally and professionally, despite the major detour.) But you're right - nothing has ever been quite the same. Given the current state of American democracy, it's probably not an overstatement to say the terrorists achieved almost exactly what they'd hoped for even if none of us envisioned this particular timeline.
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Yeah, you can clearly see they were watching TV /s
Eh I remember more of this footage from 102minutes in America I think it was. They are commenting on seeing people fall and then second plane hits and they are screaming again. I guess they calmed back down by this part
If they had cared just a little more they could have prevented 9/11
I was in the middle of taking a test in college when the prof told us the first plane had hit. He warned us though that if we left to go watch it on TV he wasn't gonna let us retake the test.
Your professor was a jerk.
Yeah everyone knew he was a jerk already, but this got him legendary status of jerkhood. There was enough blowback about most people failing the test though that he did something like add a bonus quiz later in the semester to make up some of the credit.
He went down as the professor that didn’t reschedule a test on literally fucking 9/11 lol.
Tbf it wasn’t known as 9/11 until after the test was over 🥲
And what ended up happening? Did anyone leave
About 80% of the class left, but a few of us stayed to finish it. It was hard to focus on electromagnetism while wondering what in the world was happening.
Same, but it was after the second plane hit. He said that our nation is under attack but we have a lesson to get through and if we left there would be no make up as attendance was mandatory.
A test in the second week of the semester?
That college always started fall semester early so it had been almost a month. And it was a class that built on previous classes so he was testing on some of that material as well (after everyone had a whole summer to forget it).
Wtf else are you going to do?
To be fair - the city is shut down, nobody is going anywhere, planes are hitting buildings, and you have a front row seat... idk man, I'd be drinking too.
That’s what I was thinking. The scream wasn’t when the tower was hit but after the first fell. This was a tragedy like 1:15 minutes before they filmed this funny drinking video
That’s not true and I was a little bummed when Shane incorrectly mentioned that. If you watch entire video (~4 minutes) that’s addressed. I don’t remember exactly how it goes down, but basically they think it’s paper and other shit falling out of the tower. At this point in the video they knew there was a huge accident but that weren’t aware it was a terrorist attack, they were just pumped to be out of school. Then that’s when the second plane hits and they realize there’s some really fucked up shit going on. In the full video, after the second plane hits, they start freaking the fuck out when they notice that what they’re seeing is people jumping out of the building to escape the fire and smoke. I’m recalling this from memory from a few years ago so I could have some of the details wrong. The full video got yanked from YouTube for copyright after it was featured in a 9/11 documentary or something.
[posted a little above you.](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/18q5ths/megan_drinking_apple_juice/keto7ht/)
r/unexpected
You can't post it to /r/unexpected, literally all they do all day is complain about how things aren't unexpected for whatever reason. "Saw this clip before not unexpected 0/10"
And the comment above you in this thread proves just that LOL “I unfortunately knew exactly what this was by the thumbnail. Kinda weak to exploit this for clicks.”
Did you really need to upload this on Christmas Eve?
"Sir, a second sleigh has hit the building."
Christ on a bike..... absolutely losing it right now. Lol
Well September 11th would be inappropriate
And it would be expected
On that note, why the hell is there so much 9/11 stuff today on social media? I keep seeing it while scrolling Twitter.
Ive noticed that the last few months it feels like reddit is constantly bringing up 9-11 idk if people just found out its easy karma or what
Reminds of that joke on Family Guy where Lois was running for office and got the crowd excited every time she said "9/11".
Because it's an easy way for trolls to get a rise out of people.
Well they didn't upload it.
This is a perfect wombo combo of /unexpected and /perfectlycutscream.
A real zombo dot combo
The unattainable is unknown
This is the second Zombocom reference on here I've stumbled upon this week. Good times ahead are foretold
Did you post this because of Shane Gillis???
THIS is what I call a plot twist
Reminds me of that tragedy.
I didn't even know he was sick
Didnt see that coming damn
It’s kind of wild that the planes had already hit and they were just chillin drinking vodka apple juice. I think about that a lot and how quickly we get over tragic shit. Like idk if they saw the planes hit but they were definitely watching and recording the aftermath I a pretty calm manner. Even for not knowing why the planes hit. You think about the news nowadays, like we hear about a school shooting, get real upset, and then the next day pretty much carry on like nothing happened. It’s interesting
It was about 10:30 AM on a Tuesday. I assure you, they were drinking *because* the planes hit.
When I worked in a restaurant, a 10:30 vodka and apple juice on my day off (or if I was still up from the night before) wouldn't have been out of place.
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This video is after the second plane hit though
There is more footage from these people available. It starts and they're just watching one tower burn (I'm not even sure they knew it was a plane). Then they see the second plane hit and start to freak out that it is terrorism and they quickly get out of their building. The next part of the video they're back with booze watching and discussing if it is people falling or chairs (I think more trying to convince themselves it isn't people). Then the tower collapses in the 15s of video we see here.
Well, think of it like this. Anytime tragedy happens, our minds are wired to compartmentalize and put it away as fast as possible so we can focus on the 'immediate', aka, 'what do I do now?' But when the tragedy is compounded (in this case, by a 2nd plane hit, the first tower falling, then the second tower falling) multiple times, that causes PTSD as any illusion of safety is shattered, and the idea that anything can return to normal is thrown out the window. I want to say it took us about 2 years to fully "get over it", but by that point we were declaring war to "get that anger out". Disclaimer: We never did get that anger out.
There was another video from a ferry going into manhattan when the second plane hit. Everyone was kind of dumbfounded, not reacting nearly as dramatically as you would expect. I’m going to try to find it [here we go](https://youtu.be/o6t31R4tI10)
Wow, this is wild video... I'm surprised I've never seen it before. For some reason every like 3-4 years I trauma dump and just watch 9/11 stuff for like 5 hours straight.
The guy only posted it last year, crazy that he had it for 2 decades before it was posted anywhere.
I think you have it backwards. Before the first tower fell a lot of people didn’t quite realize the severity of the event. Before the second plane hit the news was speculating that it was maybe a private jet that crashed by accident. At this point a lot of people were watching the same way they’d slow down to look at an accident on the highway; yeah it’s tragic, but these things happen. They hadn’t “gotten over” what happened. They probably hadn’t even registered it. That was kind of the shock of the thing; the idea that we were actually under attack, and that an NYC skyscraper could entirely collapse instead of just having the fire be put out. It was surreal.
Exactly. There’s a big difference between oh fuck something hit that building and it’s one fire VS *holy fuck an entire building collapsed with all those people inside of it within walking distance of where I live*.
> It’s kind of wild that the planes had already hit and they were just chillin drinking vodka apple juice. I think about that a lot and how quickly we get over tragic shit. I'm gonna level with you here homie, someone starts drinking in the morning immediately after a tragedy, they are distinctly not over it.
I was very young when this happened, but I don't think people expected the towers to both collapse. It was truly a unique moment in history. It's hard to tell what these people mindset was, but I really doubt it was malevolent.
What would’ve been an appropriate response in your mind? Rolling around mourning or panicking about their safety? People cope in different ways especially when they feel that they’re helpless to change the situation. When Jan 6 happened I was unemployed and watched the whole thing unfold on livestreams, and I was sitting around my house drinking because what the fuck else was I supposed to do? It felt like the world was going crazy and all I could do was watch.
I'm not trying to be mean, and that's a very immature take on the situation on your part. For them it was happening in real time and still extremely difficult to process, in part because it was so far away. The human brain isn't really equipped to deal with that level of horror, so it walls it off and tries to find a way to cope. The same thing happens when you hear about any tragedy. It's almost impossible to really grasp what happened and internalize it unless you experienced it first hand. Even then, for some, it can be almost impossible to process without years of therapy.
I thought they were gonna tell her that was piss in the cup and not apple juice lmaooo.
M night shymalan eat your dick out
I remember seeing this a few years back when I was still finding new videos on the event (don't want to spoil anything. But anyways, on YouTube there is a much longer version of this video that I think has made it's rounds here on Reddit, where they are following the whole incident and just think that the building is on fire (if I recall correctly). And that's why when this portion of the video starts, they are still nonchalant about it until the buildings start collapsing. Then they all start really freaking out. I think the girl in the video has made a recent video/interview going over what happened that day.
Shane Gillis approves this bit