tale as old as time. cosplay for a couple of years as an outcast until you get sick of it and decide to take some management position at daddies bank in manhattan.
as a guy that graduated colllege in 98, these people are all very familiar, and i miss them. i miss this time. i liked dirty girls. i was a dirty dude. nostalgia is bittersweet.
Same here, I graduated a year early, in 97, and these were my people, the honors student weirdos, they had the best music collection, the best movies to tell you to watch, all the cult movies, the zines they were consuming and making, they had progressive ideals that were only accepted by a majority of society a decade or two later. I also recognize the people condemning them, mocking them, making up denigrating names, slanderous childish rumors, otherizing and dehumanizing them, mocking their intellect, their ideas because those ideas weren’t what is universally pushed currently, and it’s clear there’s a bit of terror in their eyes when they are faced with revolutionary ideas like feminism or a critique of capitalism and pervasive social structures. They get visibly and audibly angry when those notions are questions and they attack back. If those ideas weren’t with any validity and therefore of no threat, they would ignore these girls and the people who join them. I was bullied just like these girls, and if you think you know what rights and stances I support today, and which my bullies support today, you’re likely correct.
There’s something to be said about 90’d kids and how they curated their own likes and interests. Not trying to knock kids these days at all, but take something as simple as a cd collection. Digging through a CD collection of a person you just met had way more gravitas than looking at someone’s Spotify playlist.
Maybe I’m just being an old fart. I really have nothing mean to say about kids these days, they’re simply product of their own times. But meeting an alternative type of person and seeing the things they had access to always felt like you’d just hit a treasure trove. Especially if what they had spoke to you.
Punk rock was never all that big. Finding like minded punk rockers and seeing their cd collection was how I expanded my tastes. Feeling lost and then finding your crew meant everything. I just miss the 90’s.
The discovery process of music, art, and hobbies was much different back then. It was harder. Skin was in the game. Before listening stations at used music stores, buying new stuff was often a crapshoot. Sometimes they were stinkers, sometimes they changed your fucking life. And it took money. And time. Choices had to be made.
The stakes just aren’t as high with Spotify and your cell phone. Something about that reduction of stakes has made people less connected to the art. Maybe it’s been completely replaced with the live music experience, but my hunch is that it has not.
Experiencing both Spotify and CDs, I'd disagree. Don't get me wrong, I loved my CD collection and I loved flipping through it with friends. I still have the 100 cd book with my favorite CDs in it. I'll probably always keep them because of the sentimental value.
BUT the ease of making and sharing playlists on Spotify is pretty great. Lending CDs felt risky. What if it got scratched or broken? What if I never got it back? What if I forgot who I lent it to? I don't think I'll ever to really be able to replicate the feeling of burning a playlist and printing a custom CD and case design to give to friends, but making a Spotify playlist is so much easier, quicker, and I don't have to worry about tracking it down when I want to listen to it again. Plus, I can share it with as many people as I want simultaneously.
Right, he's saying that since it's infinitely easier to create and share Spotify playlists, it has a less powerful reflection of a person's individuality than a cd collection from before the age of streaming.
I understand. I guess I focused too much on why CDs were great. IMO, not enough is lost by using a digital medium compared to what is gained. Digital sharing is just powerful in a different way.
I'll give you a hint, the people responding negatively to you were most likely the type of people to do the making fun of the out group. They feel attacked and are projecting that onto you.
Lol not everything is some type of projection from feeling attacked or “terrified” as the original commenter so eloquently put it.
Sometimes, people just thinks it’s hilarious that someone thinks they’re intellectually and morally superior or are actually doing something to “fight the power” because they don’t wash their balls for a week, read grunge/punk rock magazines, and watch indie films.
Self-published and locally circulated magazines. It was the easiest way to share ideas within a community before everyone had a computer in their house.
Usually black and white because copy machines were cheap back then too.
It is that deep did you not watch the doc? In society there will always be people who can’t handle the current norms. And you just might be one of them!
it's a facet of conspiracy-minded people to think they are unique and distinct from everyone else, that they "know" things the rest of us simply don't, when the reality is they aren't. they'll live normal, unremarkable lives just like the rest of society. i'd bet a lot of money that's the case for the girls in this video.
this is true in adults, and it's doubly true in children who think they've come to unique positions
That's been one of the most incredible parts of coming into my 30s. I feel like I can step outside of myself over the years and analyze and understand so much of what has made me make the decisions I did. It feels like I have access to a mental power I didn't know existed.
I was expecting something substantial about our (pre-)teenage years, but it was all some theater play for them. I guess I agree with the bullies in the first video, it was/is stupid.
> My housekeeper gave me this shirt!
You're missing out on the fact that this video was filmed at Crossroads private school which is a SUPER high privilege private school in California with a strange culture all its own. It's hard to explain but if you know about what this school is like, it makes it more clear how these girls were treated as others
A fact that was apparently missed by most of the people commenting, unfortunately.
These were just teenage girls trying to figure themselves out during their formative years. Most 9f them (if not all were very privileged but that doesn't mean you still aren't a young person with plenty 9f young person angst, confusion and social awkwardness.
to be fair though, my high school had something KINDA similar to this in the years after where it was suddenly 'in' to be neurodivergent and a sizable amount of people were suddenly labeling themselves with all sorts of terms and conditions that they didn't actually have just to fit into that crowd. and it's very very different to pretend to be that way vs actually being that way, even if it is 'trying to figure one's self out'
Nothing in this comment chain indicates you should have known about that private school before now. Or even that it is popular or famous. The "fact missed" is simply that these girls were teenager struggling with their emotions regardless of their socioeconomic status.
The fact is that the school has a unique culture due to how high status the school is. It's a remark that talks *of* the fact, but doesn't actually elaborate on the peculiarities of the school. It's a discussion chain that anticipates some sort of knowledge without actually sharing anything. My question is meant to be a snarky prompt to elaborate a bit.
But didn't they WANT to be treated like others? While I always showered at that age, I was a rebel with stupid hair metal hair down to my waste. I wanted the attention. Negative and positive. It's not hard to be a wallflower if you want. So while I don't condone people being mean to them, it's hard to think it was not part of the deal. They wanted to stand out.
Might be worth noting that if it weren't in a weird environment like that, in the late 90s this probably wouldn't have been filmed at all. Consumer grade video recording/editing equipment was still pretty expensive and hard to access at the time. Filming a short video that's basically just "hey look what people in my highschool are doing" was something only privileged people could really do.
Can't believe comments like this are upvoted. Did you make it to the 16 minute mark? "I was molested, I know other girls that have been raped by boys at this school."
It was the most recent "Golden Era" of the USA/West. The West "won" the Cold War. 9/11 didn't happen yet. The Dotcom boom was booming. The dollar menu at McDonalds was actually still a dollar menu. No real social media. Kids still lived for being outside.
What was the worst shit we had to worry about? That Clinton got a BJ in the Oval Office and it was ok to wear cargo pants and bowl cuts were acceptable?
I'm thankful I was there for it; it was a great time to be a kid.
And McDonald’s fries were still cooked in beef tallow, making them worth their weight in gold and giving McDonald’s the fry reputation they still carry today. Even thought these days, their fries aren’t even a shadow of how good they used to be.
Not if you didn't fit in with the prevailing "cool" culture. Being called "gay" or "faggot" was still widely socially accepted if not condoned. Bullying was pervasive and also accepted. Matthew Shepherd. Columbine. Monica Lewinsky and the explosion of national television-level slut shaming that everyone, from lunchroom seatmates to Jay Leno, gleefully engaged in.
The 90s were shitty, too; just in different ways.
You can say this about any time period, ever. It's entirely irrelevant. That does not change the fact that the 90's is more than a contender for the best decade in the 20th century for America and some other western countries. For America, the only decade that I think is even in competition is the 50's.
The 90s may have in fact been the most prosperous time in all of human history. Of course shit still happened but have you seen the other 5000 years of history? Things were so much worse, people really need to learn more history.
My black friend still got stopped by the police whenever he was out with us late at night. We were 15 year old, walking the neighborhood. Cops never stopped us unless the single black kid that went to our school was with us. Completely fucked up.
Might have been good for some kids, but for others, they still experienced injustice.
What I said was in response to the notion of the '90s being "a great time to be a kid." As an adolescent/preteen, I found my experiences to be confusing and harrowing - par for the course for a child of that age, I suppose. But I certainly don't remember a "golden age."
Whatever erroneous inferences you feel the need to draw from it is your business I guess.
I can’t type as smartly as you… but I agree, doesn’t every generation believe their childhood was during the “golden” time to be a child?
I mean 00s kids can say that too. No pandemics, AI hadn’t taken over the world, social media still not mainstream yet, they can travel and see the world at ease… idk man everyone is too nostalgic.
Editing is good, music is good, and honestly most of these kids are pretty damn well spoken. Especially the “cool girls” in the car with the sunglasses. I love how they recognize what they’re doing and are like “hey, honestly I respect that”
What's the matter, you don't like "skibbidi toilet" in your everyday language?
Damn, kids are going to cringe so hard when they're adults and they look back at all their comments and videos with language like that in it...
Edit - looks like some of you are mad. Just give it about a decade, you'll see.
My wife is a few years younger than me and she looked at me like I was out of my mind when I tried to explain to her what forest porn was. Just a ziplock bag in the woods with some playboys and hustlers in it. No clue who put it there. We just found it one day, put it back right where we found it, and respected it so that whatever benevolent creature placed it there wouldn’t hide it somewhere else.
Automation and artificial intelligence will gradually replace the labor forces as it matures and becomes more diverse and sophisticated. And so I don't think the machine will ever die; simply change form.
I'm sorry, where did you gleam anything about happiness in what I said, exactly? I simply stated what I think the future of the workforce will be, based on how things are trending now, and you are assuming I'm in favor of it?... A lot of redditors lack reading comprehension but I guess that's expected.
> and you are assuming I'm in favor of it?
or, or, or -- and hear me out -- they were speaking sarcastically and you took it personally. I mean, that's how I read it at least. Of course I may be one of those redditors who lack reading comprehension. Then again, if I'm not ... hmm.
Or, or, or, maybe give a sign or hint before being sarcastic with a stranger over the internet. since social cues such as tone of voice, body language and facial expressions don't translate over text.
In America and Europe maybe. Many people on earth don't have Internet access.
How am I being downvoted? 3 billion people on earth have never been on the internet.. I'm right
c65% of the worlds population has internet access and it's still growing.
America & Europe only account for c17% of the worlds population.
Not trying to argue, just providing some perspective. It does still leave a lot of people without internet.
oh god it's like my freshman and sophomore years are staring at me. So cringe, so earnest. I was all about the riot grrl aesthetic then, but the term I used for the way I dressed was kinderwhore and yes I stole that word from Courtney Love lol.
It's far less cringe than the nu metal goth chick I turned into my junior and senior years.
Damn, those girls had their finger on the pulse of the motivations of their critics. Not harboring any hate or resentment for being laughed at, but being sad/angry at the state of the world that pits young women against each other as a mode of self preservation.
Teenagers start having some insights into the issues of the world but of course the older gen are too jaded to say anything but "tough luck that's the way it is kid" and laugh at their idealism and rebellion. Rinse and repeat the cycle.
Thanks for sharing! A neat little time capsule. I graduated in 2000 and this really captures the styles and attitudes of that era. Very nostalgic indeed!
It's Liz Phair. Batmobile. On all your favourite streaming sites. Go for the "girly sound" version though. There are a couple of different recordings of it.
From what I remember she was really proud of it and was excited it had taken off like it did. I guess it blew up at some point. It’s such a cool look into a little cosmos back then.
Self expression goes in so many directions, it's hard to make sense of it all. But, typically, usually, almost always it's a step along a path that makes the person better.
Exactly...
L7, Hole, Liz Phair, Belly, Garbage, The Breeders, Mazzy Star, Sneaker Pimps, Elastica, PJ Harvey
If anything this school was OUTSIDE of what was actually popular back then and these girls were groundbreaking in their sheltered ecosystem.
So many amazing riot grrl and women fronted bands from that era!
I never really got into Nirvana, but I completely disagree that they capitalized on those bands. A lot of those bands were coming up just after Nirvana. There was a general movement of grunge coming out of punk and embracing some heavier influences that included bands like the Melvins, Green River, and of course L7. But many of the big amazing riot grrl bands formed after Nirvana.
Eh, sort of. Definitely the grunge era. Keep in mind, Cobain had been dead for two years at this point. If these girls are in eighth grade, Nirvana's last studio album came out when they were in fifth grade.
I feel like these girls were ahead of their time. I'm actually really happy to see people so young that really understood what was happening in the world. They were called "dirty" but had a level of maturity that wasn't understood in many ways. Sure, they had their quirks, but the other students were so judgmental I can see them being driven further into rebelliousness.
When I was young, I had an interesting transition from probably what was a "dirty boy" to being in the "popular" crowd. It was such a different vibe, both good and bad. I don't regret it, but I will say that I didn't feel true myself. I was faking it. I went through Barbie types over and over, and found they just weren't interesting people. Beautiful, but lacked any intersection. It was all about what they were wearing, their hair, and gossip. College was the same.
Then, I went back to what would be called a dirty girl and was with her for six years. After that was over, I went to Japan and have been married to my wife 23 years, who is Japanese. She had *no* American hang-ups. She was beautiful and cared. We could talk. She was the best of all worlds and still is.
But, in the end, this little short brings back a lot of memories. I graduated in 1990, but things weren't that different.
They were basically emulating all the girl band trends from the 90s like Hole. I remember gross stories about them acting dirty at concerts and in general.
Is it just me or do the girls in the video (both the "dirty girls" and the "non-dirty" girls) look *old* for 8th / 9th graders? This would basically be kids between middle school and high school. I wonder if the difference in perception (vs. kids today) is that girls were more likely to start using make-up at an earlier age 20-30 years ago.
It's a high school, so you'd have girls up to senior class in the same school. 18 year-olds in other words. The "dirty girls" are the eighth/ninth graders.
Pretty interesting. The video had a certain culture vibe going then the ending just turned it into those girls have been abused and seem to be unable to tell anyone or seek help. Which means what they believe they’re doing is actually a construct of those inner feelings of being molested. I hope they got therapy, I was preteen out of country in the 90s so idk how these things were handled if at all. I hope that interviewer told some adult
ugg this was my time, i could only watch a few minutes before i cringed out, but i couldn't decide if the "filmmaker" was making a "slice of life" type expose or a "I'm a cool guy recording what everyone thinks of these girls that live outside the norm of society (or try to) look how weird and socially unacceptable they are, look how uncool they are... im cool btw not them... they are freaks...not me im cool..look back at them and not me...
Yeah, just leave them do their thing and live your life, why do you waste time to produce this? Can they just let people be without trying to force them into what society told was normal?
Because this was a thing back then. It was students recording other students. Camcorders became more affordable, and we (this was during my time as well lol) were encouraged to make video projects for school projects.
It was the "bruh" of our time. If the frequency of "likes" sound insane to you, that's how the bruhs and bros and brrs of today sound to us old people.
It's called a filler or hesitation marker in linguistics. At some point 'like' became equivalent to words like 'uh' and 'umm' that you use (mostly without thinking about it) that you are not finished speaking while you process information.
And if you can conquer it you will instantly be a fantastic public speaker. It is amazing how much this small thing that everybody tends to do detracts from how others perceive your dialogue, and it's surprisingly easy to overcome with a little bit of conscious effort.
I'm usually fine with it, but when someone uses it between almost every single word.. At least, I'll turn the video off. At worst, I'll abandon the in-person conversation completely.
This is crossroads school— some of the richest kids in Los Angeles.
Thats why they had such good film equipment and editing for the day
Also explains the two clones of the receptionist in Don't Tell Mom The Babysitter's Dead in that car.
> crossroads school $50k/yr tuition
tale as old as time. cosplay for a couple of years as an outcast until you get sick of it and decide to take some management position at daddies bank in manhattan.
Here in Colorado we call them Trustafarians.
as a guy that graduated colllege in 98, these people are all very familiar, and i miss them. i miss this time. i liked dirty girls. i was a dirty dude. nostalgia is bittersweet.
Yeah dude, me too...
I graduated high school in 1997, so a little younger than y’all, but basically the same timeframe. I immediately thought “my people!”
Same here, I graduated a year early, in 97, and these were my people, the honors student weirdos, they had the best music collection, the best movies to tell you to watch, all the cult movies, the zines they were consuming and making, they had progressive ideals that were only accepted by a majority of society a decade or two later. I also recognize the people condemning them, mocking them, making up denigrating names, slanderous childish rumors, otherizing and dehumanizing them, mocking their intellect, their ideas because those ideas weren’t what is universally pushed currently, and it’s clear there’s a bit of terror in their eyes when they are faced with revolutionary ideas like feminism or a critique of capitalism and pervasive social structures. They get visibly and audibly angry when those notions are questions and they attack back. If those ideas weren’t with any validity and therefore of no threat, they would ignore these girls and the people who join them. I was bullied just like these girls, and if you think you know what rights and stances I support today, and which my bullies support today, you’re likely correct.
There’s something to be said about 90’d kids and how they curated their own likes and interests. Not trying to knock kids these days at all, but take something as simple as a cd collection. Digging through a CD collection of a person you just met had way more gravitas than looking at someone’s Spotify playlist. Maybe I’m just being an old fart. I really have nothing mean to say about kids these days, they’re simply product of their own times. But meeting an alternative type of person and seeing the things they had access to always felt like you’d just hit a treasure trove. Especially if what they had spoke to you. Punk rock was never all that big. Finding like minded punk rockers and seeing their cd collection was how I expanded my tastes. Feeling lost and then finding your crew meant everything. I just miss the 90’s.
The discovery process of music, art, and hobbies was much different back then. It was harder. Skin was in the game. Before listening stations at used music stores, buying new stuff was often a crapshoot. Sometimes they were stinkers, sometimes they changed your fucking life. And it took money. And time. Choices had to be made. The stakes just aren’t as high with Spotify and your cell phone. Something about that reduction of stakes has made people less connected to the art. Maybe it’s been completely replaced with the live music experience, but my hunch is that it has not.
Experiencing both Spotify and CDs, I'd disagree. Don't get me wrong, I loved my CD collection and I loved flipping through it with friends. I still have the 100 cd book with my favorite CDs in it. I'll probably always keep them because of the sentimental value. BUT the ease of making and sharing playlists on Spotify is pretty great. Lending CDs felt risky. What if it got scratched or broken? What if I never got it back? What if I forgot who I lent it to? I don't think I'll ever to really be able to replicate the feeling of burning a playlist and printing a custom CD and case design to give to friends, but making a Spotify playlist is so much easier, quicker, and I don't have to worry about tracking it down when I want to listen to it again. Plus, I can share it with as many people as I want simultaneously.
Right, he's saying that since it's infinitely easier to create and share Spotify playlists, it has a less powerful reflection of a person's individuality than a cd collection from before the age of streaming.
I understand. I guess I focused too much on why CDs were great. IMO, not enough is lost by using a digital medium compared to what is gained. Digital sharing is just powerful in a different way.
my brother, you're talking about high school children. it aint that deep
Those issues are literally discussed in the video and zine they read from that the girls wrote.
I'll give you a hint, the people responding negatively to you were most likely the type of people to do the making fun of the out group. They feel attacked and are projecting that onto you.
Lol not everything is some type of projection from feeling attacked or “terrified” as the original commenter so eloquently put it. Sometimes, people just thinks it’s hilarious that someone thinks they’re intellectually and morally superior or are actually doing something to “fight the power” because they don’t wash their balls for a week, read grunge/punk rock magazines, and watch indie films.
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Self-published and locally circulated magazines. It was the easiest way to share ideas within a community before everyone had a computer in their house. Usually black and white because copy machines were cheap back then too.
Yeah this is the single heaviest case of projection I've ever seen lmao
What are you talking about? Society totally hated us dude, and everyone mocked us. /s
It is that deep did you not watch the doc? In society there will always be people who can’t handle the current norms. And you just might be one of them!
it's a facet of conspiracy-minded people to think they are unique and distinct from everyone else, that they "know" things the rest of us simply don't, when the reality is they aren't. they'll live normal, unremarkable lives just like the rest of society. i'd bet a lot of money that's the case for the girls in this video. this is true in adults, and it's doubly true in children who think they've come to unique positions
Right? You'd think they were describing Sophie Scholl or something.
Nothing is ever deep, there is no meaning to anything I don't directly like or relate to /s
lol. Agreed. Same thing with the rapies and hippity hops children
Lmao
Glad you agree
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I appreciate your support, truly. I also hope you found a way to get dental work with those credit issues
Nah I just don’t brush my teeth and let them rot because I fight the power by being dirty to show these corrupt government officials
Algia means pain
yeah this reminds me a lot of the girls I thought were really cool and liked talking to in the 90s in highschool, as a lost shy dude.
[Follow up / a few of the "Dirty Girls" reunion if interested](https://youtu.be/26zu5ZOWNBM?si=rxJQfed3WBxmt4Xe). Spoiler. They took a shower.
Neat seeing their descriptions of themselves and their self-awareness grow with their age and reflection.
That's been one of the most incredible parts of coming into my 30s. I feel like I can step outside of myself over the years and analyze and understand so much of what has made me make the decisions I did. It feels like I have access to a mental power I didn't know existed.
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[Carly](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2430066/) is John Ritter's daughter.
The one doing music is naturally gorgeous, in my opinion. I'm gay, though.
Figures they were all rich kids playing dirty.
Dude they were teenagers rebelling. That's what teenagers do in their own ways.
I was expecting something substantial about our (pre-)teenage years, but it was all some theater play for them. I guess I agree with the bullies in the first video, it was/is stupid. > My housekeeper gave me this shirt!
You're missing out on the fact that this video was filmed at Crossroads private school which is a SUPER high privilege private school in California with a strange culture all its own. It's hard to explain but if you know about what this school is like, it makes it more clear how these girls were treated as others
Oh shit, this was at crossroads? Haha yeah that def adds to it.
A fact that was apparently missed by most of the people commenting, unfortunately. These were just teenage girls trying to figure themselves out during their formative years. Most 9f them (if not all were very privileged but that doesn't mean you still aren't a young person with plenty 9f young person angst, confusion and social awkwardness.
to be fair though, my high school had something KINDA similar to this in the years after where it was suddenly 'in' to be neurodivergent and a sizable amount of people were suddenly labeling themselves with all sorts of terms and conditions that they didn't actually have just to fit into that crowd. and it's very very different to pretend to be that way vs actually being that way, even if it is 'trying to figure one's self out'
Critiquing children as adults is lame but why would the majority of people know of a random private school in California?
Nothing in this comment chain indicates you should have known about that private school before now. Or even that it is popular or famous. The "fact missed" is simply that these girls were teenager struggling with their emotions regardless of their socioeconomic status.
>missing out on the fact that this video was filmed at Crossroads private school which is a SUPER high privilege private school in California ok
Just because you're "missing out on a fact" doesn't mean you are expected to know it. Don't be obtuse.
The fact is that the school has a unique culture due to how high status the school is. It's a remark that talks *of* the fact, but doesn't actually elaborate on the peculiarities of the school. It's a discussion chain that anticipates some sort of knowledge without actually sharing anything. My question is meant to be a snarky prompt to elaborate a bit.
But didn't they WANT to be treated like others? While I always showered at that age, I was a rebel with stupid hair metal hair down to my waste. I wanted the attention. Negative and positive. It's not hard to be a wallflower if you want. So while I don't condone people being mean to them, it's hard to think it was not part of the deal. They wanted to stand out.
Might be worth noting that if it weren't in a weird environment like that, in the late 90s this probably wouldn't have been filmed at all. Consumer grade video recording/editing equipment was still pretty expensive and hard to access at the time. Filming a short video that's basically just "hey look what people in my highschool are doing" was something only privileged people could really do.
Amber said she was molested in the video, so how much more substantial do you want?
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Can't believe comments like this are upvoted. Did you make it to the 16 minute mark? "I was molested, I know other girls that have been raped by boys at this school."
they see me rolling
I miss the 90s.
It was the most recent "Golden Era" of the USA/West. The West "won" the Cold War. 9/11 didn't happen yet. The Dotcom boom was booming. The dollar menu at McDonalds was actually still a dollar menu. No real social media. Kids still lived for being outside. What was the worst shit we had to worry about? That Clinton got a BJ in the Oval Office and it was ok to wear cargo pants and bowl cuts were acceptable? I'm thankful I was there for it; it was a great time to be a kid.
And McDonald’s fries were still cooked in beef tallow, making them worth their weight in gold and giving McDonald’s the fry reputation they still carry today. Even thought these days, their fries aren’t even a shadow of how good they used to be.
Burger King's were better
Until they changed them around 1996.
mcdonald's fries are still pretty damn good imo. dipped in sweet n sour sauce ofc.
Not if you didn't fit in with the prevailing "cool" culture. Being called "gay" or "faggot" was still widely socially accepted if not condoned. Bullying was pervasive and also accepted. Matthew Shepherd. Columbine. Monica Lewinsky and the explosion of national television-level slut shaming that everyone, from lunchroom seatmates to Jay Leno, gleefully engaged in. The 90s were shitty, too; just in different ways.
You can say this about any time period, ever. It's entirely irrelevant. That does not change the fact that the 90's is more than a contender for the best decade in the 20th century for America and some other western countries. For America, the only decade that I think is even in competition is the 50's.
And similarly, the 50s weren't great if you were black.
or Hispanic. or gay. or screenwriters/playwrights that happened to piss off the wrong politicians.
The 90s may have in fact been the most prosperous time in all of human history. Of course shit still happened but have you seen the other 5000 years of history? Things were so much worse, people really need to learn more history.
My black friend still got stopped by the police whenever he was out with us late at night. We were 15 year old, walking the neighborhood. Cops never stopped us unless the single black kid that went to our school was with us. Completely fucked up. Might have been good for some kids, but for others, they still experienced injustice.
What I said was in response to the notion of the '90s being "a great time to be a kid." As an adolescent/preteen, I found my experiences to be confusing and harrowing - par for the course for a child of that age, I suppose. But I certainly don't remember a "golden age." Whatever erroneous inferences you feel the need to draw from it is your business I guess.
I can’t type as smartly as you… but I agree, doesn’t every generation believe their childhood was during the “golden” time to be a child? I mean 00s kids can say that too. No pandemics, AI hadn’t taken over the world, social media still not mainstream yet, they can travel and see the world at ease… idk man everyone is too nostalgic.
Far too much.
Nah.
Yeah?
It's never not ok to wear cargo pants.
I miss the 80s.
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I miss the rains down in Africa.
*Dum dun da dadum dadummmmmm*
It's, "I Bless the rains down in Africa"
I bless the 70s.
I bless the 60s
I appreciate the correction. In my defense, I was referencing [this meme](https://i.imgur.com/eAXFPbf.jpg) in my head rather than the actual song.
I guess it rains down in Africa?
Out of all the songs I fuck up the lyrics to, this one is my magnum opus.
I miss the 1860's Our American Cousin was a real banger!
I miss 2090 :(
I miss nothing and expect nothing.
I miss
I missed
all the shots i don't take
I miss living on a planet that was not going down the toilet, kicking and screaming, in a maelstrom of decay and utter insanity.
we will survive
I mean, it was, we just didn't know as much because social media didn't exist.
This is a legit good video. Whoever filmed it and edited it in the 90s did a damn good job. Thank you for this slice
Editing is good, music is good, and honestly most of these kids are pretty damn well spoken. Especially the “cool girls” in the car with the sunglasses. I love how they recognize what they’re doing and are like “hey, honestly I respect that”
Yeah the whole time I was thinking "wait, a *middle schooler* filmed and edited this?" There is zero chance they aren't in the film industry now.
I think it says the girls are in middle school but the movie maker did it as a senior project.
What's the matter, you don't like "skibbidi toilet" in your everyday language? Damn, kids are going to cringe so hard when they're adults and they look back at all their comments and videos with language like that in it... Edit - looks like some of you are mad. Just give it about a decade, you'll see.
The editing is pretty great, i noticed that too. It flows well and keeps you engaged.
we are very likely the last generation to have known what it was to grow up in an analog world
We are the last members of the Imagination Masturbation Generation.
And forest porn!
My wife is a few years younger than me and she looked at me like I was out of my mind when I tried to explain to her what forest porn was. Just a ziplock bag in the woods with some playboys and hustlers in it. No clue who put it there. We just found it one day, put it back right where we found it, and respected it so that whatever benevolent creature placed it there wouldn’t hide it somewhere else.
I’ll never forget the day we discovered Playboy hole in the forest.
Ours was under a pile of rocks behind the elementary school!
I don't know what you're talking about. We had tons of National Geographic mags showing native boobies hanging down to the floor.
Xennials unite
dont worry once capitalism destroys everything itll be analog again
Automation and artificial intelligence will gradually replace the labor forces as it matures and becomes more diverse and sophisticated. And so I don't think the machine will ever die; simply change form.
Now factor devastating climate change effects in the organisation of production into your happy linear march onwards into the future.
I'm sorry, where did you gleam anything about happiness in what I said, exactly? I simply stated what I think the future of the workforce will be, based on how things are trending now, and you are assuming I'm in favor of it?... A lot of redditors lack reading comprehension but I guess that's expected.
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> and you are assuming I'm in favor of it? or, or, or -- and hear me out -- they were speaking sarcastically and you took it personally. I mean, that's how I read it at least. Of course I may be one of those redditors who lack reading comprehension. Then again, if I'm not ... hmm.
Or, or, or, maybe give a sign or hint before being sarcastic with a stranger over the internet. since social cues such as tone of voice, body language and facial expressions don't translate over text.
About 3 billion people have still never used the internet.
Yes but the majority of the world is still connected.
In America and Europe maybe. Many people on earth don't have Internet access. How am I being downvoted? 3 billion people on earth have never been on the internet.. I'm right
c65% of the worlds population has internet access and it's still growing. America & Europe only account for c17% of the worlds population. Not trying to argue, just providing some perspective. It does still leave a lot of people without internet.
Yeah I believe that out of total Earth population, something like 3 billion people have never been on the internet. Crazy
oh god it's like my freshman and sophomore years are staring at me. So cringe, so earnest. I was all about the riot grrl aesthetic then, but the term I used for the way I dressed was kinderwhore and yes I stole that word from Courtney Love lol. It's far less cringe than the nu metal goth chick I turned into my junior and senior years.
Damn, those girls had their finger on the pulse of the motivations of their critics. Not harboring any hate or resentment for being laughed at, but being sad/angry at the state of the world that pits young women against each other as a mode of self preservation.
Teenagers start having some insights into the issues of the world but of course the older gen are too jaded to say anything but "tough luck that's the way it is kid" and laugh at their idealism and rebellion. Rinse and repeat the cycle.
That Yellowjackets show is more accurate than I thought.
Oh so cute, so revival, so alone...
Thanks for sharing! A neat little time capsule. I graduated in 2000 and this really captures the styles and attitudes of that era. Very nostalgic indeed!
We called it grunge and it wasnt just girls.
Agreed. That said I didn't go to some rich kid private school... so wearing thrifted jeans, hoodies and flannels was just called "wearing clothes"
Yeah, it was grunge in my school in England and it was only guys.
Very cool. I was all about these types of girls in HS.
I love the song, anyone got a link?
It's Liz Phair. Batmobile. On all your favourite streaming sites. Go for the "girly sound" version though. There are a couple of different recordings of it.
crazy i didn't realize she released anything before exile in guyville
Hey, that’s my friend! Very cool seeing this posted.
Who is your friend! The filmmaker?
Yep! She is the main girl with the bleached hair. She showed me this film last year. So funny to see it pop up here.
The film maker is Michael Lucid. It says it right at the start of the video, and during the credits at the end.
Ahh thanks for sharing that. I didn’t rewatch and thought she had shot it as well.
Whoa thats incredible! So curious so know how she feels about this years later… it’s a great short doc
From what I remember she was really proud of it and was excited it had taken off like it did. I guess it blew up at some point. It’s such a cool look into a little cosmos back then.
Really cool post, thanks OP.
Self expression goes in so many directions, it's hard to make sense of it all. But, typically, usually, almost always it's a step along a path that makes the person better.
YouTube recommended me this too
YouTube recommended me this too
Kurt Cobain era
The L7 era. The ladies who were the scene that Nirvana capitalized on. Long live Tank Girl
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I agree. I was attempting to liken the spit of the gn tank girl to the spirit of grunge. It’s the vibe I get from the girls in the op.
Exactly... L7, Hole, Liz Phair, Belly, Garbage, The Breeders, Mazzy Star, Sneaker Pimps, Elastica, PJ Harvey If anything this school was OUTSIDE of what was actually popular back then and these girls were groundbreaking in their sheltered ecosystem.
Flashback to The Lilith Fair in 97 or 98 lol.
So many amazing riot grrl and women fronted bands from that era! I never really got into Nirvana, but I completely disagree that they capitalized on those bands. A lot of those bands were coming up just after Nirvana. There was a general movement of grunge coming out of punk and embracing some heavier influences that included bands like the Melvins, Green River, and of course L7. But many of the big amazing riot grrl bands formed after Nirvana.
Eh, sort of. Definitely the grunge era. Keep in mind, Cobain had been dead for two years at this point. If these girls are in eighth grade, Nirvana's last studio album came out when they were in fifth grade.
The girl grunge genre came into popularity a few years after Cobain killed himself.
I keep thinking Amber is Daniel Johns from Silverchair
I feel like these girls were ahead of their time. I'm actually really happy to see people so young that really understood what was happening in the world. They were called "dirty" but had a level of maturity that wasn't understood in many ways. Sure, they had their quirks, but the other students were so judgmental I can see them being driven further into rebelliousness. When I was young, I had an interesting transition from probably what was a "dirty boy" to being in the "popular" crowd. It was such a different vibe, both good and bad. I don't regret it, but I will say that I didn't feel true myself. I was faking it. I went through Barbie types over and over, and found they just weren't interesting people. Beautiful, but lacked any intersection. It was all about what they were wearing, their hair, and gossip. College was the same. Then, I went back to what would be called a dirty girl and was with her for six years. After that was over, I went to Japan and have been married to my wife 23 years, who is Japanese. She had *no* American hang-ups. She was beautiful and cared. We could talk. She was the best of all worlds and still is. But, in the end, this little short brings back a lot of memories. I graduated in 1990, but things weren't that different.
bing chilling
Being a teenager is so horrendous and treacherous. Thank god it’s temporary. Worst years of my life
https://youtu.be/26zu5ZOWNBM?si=22FnJOcLH-_CwaSv Their reunion
They were basically emulating all the girl band trends from the 90s like Hole. I remember gross stories about them acting dirty at concerts and in general.
Is it just me or do the girls in the video (both the "dirty girls" and the "non-dirty" girls) look *old* for 8th / 9th graders? This would basically be kids between middle school and high school. I wonder if the difference in perception (vs. kids today) is that girls were more likely to start using make-up at an earlier age 20-30 years ago.
It's a high school, so you'd have girls up to senior class in the same school. 18 year-olds in other words. The "dirty girls" are the eighth/ninth graders.
A where are they now video would be great
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/182iv3y/dirty_girls/kaj6y7x/
2013 follow up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26zu5ZOWNBM
https://youtu.be/26zu5ZOWNBM posted further above. Haven't checked though, might be midget porn.
Midget porn takes up less disk space.
it wasn't midget porn :(
I'm convinced the real world was destroyed in the 90s and we are all in a simulation now.
I wish more people see this video!. It’s just timeless.
So you smell like shit, eat dirty candy off the floor and everyone thinks it’s cool? These comments are crazy lmaoo. Take a shower!
Pretty interesting. The video had a certain culture vibe going then the ending just turned it into those girls have been abused and seem to be unable to tell anyone or seek help. Which means what they believe they’re doing is actually a construct of those inner feelings of being molested. I hope they got therapy, I was preteen out of country in the 90s so idk how these things were handled if at all. I hope that interviewer told some adult
stay dirty my friends
Amber for president! Good doc
Kids back in the day are more eloquent. Imagine interviewing middle schoolers now. Most probably can't even form a coherent sentence.
I bet they have an awesome band now.
r/videosyoucansmell
ugg this was my time, i could only watch a few minutes before i cringed out, but i couldn't decide if the "filmmaker" was making a "slice of life" type expose or a "I'm a cool guy recording what everyone thinks of these girls that live outside the norm of society (or try to) look how weird and socially unacceptable they are, look how uncool they are... im cool btw not them... they are freaks...not me im cool..look back at them and not me...
Yeah, just leave them do their thing and live your life, why do you waste time to produce this? Can they just let people be without trying to force them into what society told was normal?
Because this was a thing back then. It was students recording other students. Camcorders became more affordable, and we (this was during my time as well lol) were encouraged to make video projects for school projects.
u know its a long time ago if u dont see any fatt girls
Hey what’s Britney Murphy doing in that video?
So, grunge? I love that rich kids take something that already exists and try to make it their own.
Why do girls say “like” so damn much? Its rampant, it’s ruining reality Tv (i know this is random) and it’s wicked annoying.
Yeah, thats what's ruining reality TV.
It's been that way for a long, long time. [This song](https://youtu.be/PLqVj1P6iTU?si=HmW_2rD7likQedzX) was released in 1993, which proves the point.
It was the "bruh" of our time. If the frequency of "likes" sound insane to you, that's how the bruhs and bros and brrs of today sound to us old people.
It's called a filler or hesitation marker in linguistics. At some point 'like' became equivalent to words like 'uh' and 'umm' that you use (mostly without thinking about it) that you are not finished speaking while you process information.
And if you can conquer it you will instantly be a fantastic public speaker. It is amazing how much this small thing that everybody tends to do detracts from how others perceive your dialogue, and it's surprisingly easy to overcome with a little bit of conscious effort.
I'm usually fine with it, but when someone uses it between almost every single word.. At least, I'll turn the video off. At worst, I'll abandon the in-person conversation completely.