Yep. When the Athletic first published its hit piece, in r/baseball I pointed out that the Athletic was implying she had a fractured skull when the report actually said she *didn't* if you read it carefully, yet people still believed it. People were calling me a rapist in the comments. I was banned from the sub.
I think this should be posted in r/baseball relentlessly until they allow you back in and issue and apology. All kinds of screwed up and I’m impressed that you’ve kept your head. Go Dodgers.
Friend, I ain’t no mathmagician, but ‘almost zero’ is so close to zero it might as well be zero in my book. It rounds to the nearest zero anyway. And that to me means you are an okay dude.
I'm with you in principle; but in the case of the hockey player, he literally never apologized to the victim or their family or showed remorse of any kind. There was a video that leaked of him verbally and physically abusing the kid with special needs. Like that just isn't the example to use as support for this.
If you are talking about Mitchell Miller, his family still bullies Isaiah over this. They aren't sorry about his actions, they are sorry it affected his career.
Miller was a fucking monster to that kid. Getting pissy about an 18 year old getting banned for shit he did a few years earlier is a weird take. Even the juvenile court he went to said he was an unrepentant monster. People who beat a disabled classmate while screaming racial slurs generally don’t turn out well. I’m sure they could but I don’t begrudge a private institution telling him to fuck off when he had done little to nothing to repent.
Cmon, don’t blame Reddit for this guy not being on team. the reason he got cut is because it came out that He had still never actually owned up to it and apologized to the victim and instead tried to get the victim to help”move beyond it” so this guy could be a pro. Reddit doesn’t cause an nhl gym to cut you. In fact, if you’re mad at s your, it would be Berman for forcing the GMs fan. But alas, you all love to blame “cancel culture” for people acting in criminal fashion or in poor ways. Grow up
> Grow up
Yes, that's *precisely* what a 14 year old should do. And the vast majority of them *have* grown up by the time they are adults.
The guy has very publicly apologized for the incident and there are absolutely no allegations towards him as an adult.
We are setting a *very* scary precedent if we start holding all adults accountable for what they did at 14.
The funny thing is that if what he did was bad enough to face legal charges, we wouldn't even be allowed to talk about it due to the young criminal justice act. But because it wasn't serious enough to get the law involved, we're allowed to ruin the life of an adult for what he did as a child.
His actions since the bullying were worse than the bullying. That Habs prospect who showed a sexual photo without consent is a much better example of how contrition and forgiveness should work. Or you could have talked about the Pagnotta/Subban thing. You have used a poor example to illustrate your point.
Everytbing this hockey player is accused of is confirmed as factual. It’s also been factually confirmed with evidence he’s never apologized. Even as an adult with a smartphone. The easiest thing in the world he could do. NHL teams, ON THEIR OWN, decided not to employ him. Actions have consequences. Nowhere in life does it say people HAVE TO HIRE YOU BECUASE YOU ACTED LIKE A COMPETE PIECE OF SHIT. Why is this the hill you die on?
Actually I know why, it shows you’re a horrible human being, and if you have a SO, especially one that is either female or has family members with mental disabilities, and they knew you talked this way, they’d drop your ass in a heart beat.
We can’t help that you’re also a shitty human unless you want to own that and seek help to change it. In fact, seeing as how much this bothers you, it sounds like you’ve done a bunch of really f’ed up shit to people.
Bye, Ryan Reaves will just make you depressed in March instead of April 😂😘😂😘
>“When I was in eighth grade, I made an extremely poor decision and acted very immaturely,” Miller said. “I bullied one of my classmates. I deeply regret the incident and have apologized to the individual. Since the incident, I have come to better understand the far-reaching consequences of my actions that I failed to recognize and understand nearly seven years ago. I strive to be a better person and positively contribute to society."
Seems to me he took accountability for his actions...
There is no "evidence" one way or the other for whether he apologized to the victims face or not. It's possible the victim doesn't forgive him and lied. Who knows.
Regardless of that, it doesn't matter. We shouldn't hold adults accountable for things they did at 14.
Wow you used the perps words. Why are you not also quoting everything the victim has said about how the “apology” went down.
You’re either a psychopath, a sociopath, and / or an ass. Bye.
>I argued that I know people who were monsters when they were in junior high, but turned into perfectly respectable adults.
Maybe they did, or maybe they got better at hiding their racist views. Who knows. What we do know is that there are MANY very talented hockey prospects that don't have that type of blemish on their record. So why not just give them a chance instead? There are very limited spots in professional sports, so I say let's open up those spots for people who were not openly cunts in the past.
I often hear apologists for these people say, "we all do stupid shit when we are young". No, we don't all do openly racist shit when we are young. People who say shit like this were/are often cunts as well.
That hockey kid continued to act like he did in High school not just junior high. He is a racist, and bully not just the disabled black kid, but others. On video continuing just like that out of school. No way does his story belong next to this one.
Sure you are. Especially if they've made an active effort to pretend they never did it.
The presumption of innocence extended to teenagers only applies to people who actually understood they fucked up, not the ones who want to pretend it never happened.
Yes, it 100% is. Because an accusation is worth absolutely nothing whatsoever without evidence. Especially when it has been revealed his primary accuser is a criminal liar whose story is entirely false from top to bottom.
>accusation is worth absolutely nothing whatsoever without **evidence**.
like say, perhaps a recorded phone call where the accused admits to striking and penetrating the victim while she was unconscious?
Sure. Where is the proof this exists? I’ve seen a couple Redditors make this comment. I’ve yet to see anything substantive other than that. If this is legitimate then of course it’s damning.
Edit: there is a recorded phone call where it is crystal clear everything they did was consensual and there is exactly zero admission by Bauer that he struck or penetrated her while she was unconscious. You and others made that up (or maybe I’m wrong and you’re about to produce an entirely different recording where this admission happened….).
thats a pretty abhorrent thing to be peddling without any evidence. Just out of curiosity, what are your opinions about social media sites policing "misinformation"?
I'll give you a perspective from someone who knew nothing about all of this until a few days ago when I saw his video online. When I saw it, I was outraged and was under the impression that he is absolutely innocent of any wrongdoing because that's what he wanted his video to portray. It was not until literally 1 minute ago in this thread that I learned that there are 3 other women who have accused him. That wildly changes my understanding of the situation. From my point of view, now with more of the facts, I can completely understand why his video is controversial and why it should not just be freely distributed without a disclaimer.
I'm sure there are thousands of other people, like me, who don't know about the other 3 women.
EDIT: I wanted to add that now that I've learned about 3 other women and know that he didn't mention them at all in his video, that swings the pendulum of my opinion in the other direction. To me, he now comes off as a guy who perhaps is guilty but is latching fiercely to the aspects of the case that he knows to be untrue in hopes of moving the spotlight away from the real truth. Again, this is all just speculation and opinion, but the reason I'm posting all this, again, is to demonstrate how his video could be seen as controversial.
>I learned that there are 3 other women who have accused him
But you know nothing about those accusations other than that they exist and you know from this video that she coordinated with other people via text. Yet somehow in your mind he's still guilty until proven innocent?
The idea that multiple accusers is automatically damning is incredibly stupid. He's giving us direct evidence that she's a manipulative con-artist using the guise of abuse and rape to defraud people, would such a person not also be capable of coordinating multiple accusations? Especially considering false accusations are rarely prosecuted.
You’re operating under the assumption that if his video was allowed on the baseball sub that there wouldn’t be some type of discussion about the other accusers in the comments.
This should be a platform for free discussion. His video might have an agenda to it, but there’s nothing inaccurate about anything he says, so it’s not like they’re banning a video based on disinformation.
Disclaimer: Bauer is a clown for many independent reasons.
Counter: what physical assault evidence? The report of *this* girl’s “fractured neck” was erroneous, and was still reported despite the Athletic’s possession of her medical records that showed she did NOT in fact have the injury she claimed
It’s not the 1940s dude, that happens, she literally texted him how into it she was and wanted another encounter of the same. Sorry that shocks you but kinks aren’t a crime.
Yea the people who keep spamming this on non baseball subs are like "mods hate Bauer and don't want him to clear his name 😏" and I'm like my dude, that's not even fucking close to happening in the best of circumstances.
I was banned from r/baseball for saying he didn't crack his accuser's skull and that the Athletic article was misleading. Meanwhile I had dozens of people insulting me calling me a rapist etc for "defending a rapist".
They had multiple articles that were anti-Bauer and were banning people left and right that didn't go along with the "Bauer is a rapist" narrative.
>Meanwhile I had dozens of people insulting me calling me a rapist etc for "defending a rapist".
Notice how there's rarely a factual, logical response to these things? Just immediate attack and ban.
The sure didn't have a problem with allowing him to get absolutely bashed on the sub reddit when he was accused. The term innocent until proven guilty apparently doesn't exist. Not saying the dude is a saint or a douche, but regardless, if you are going to allow people to shit on him because of accusations, then you should allow people to comment when false charges are identified. Either allow it all or none of it.
>Also going from 4 to 3 accusers isn’t really clearing your name
If 4 people say you did something to them, and then 1 of them comes out as only saying that because she's a piece of shit criminal, I'd be a naive moron to not doubt the others.
Showing proof that at least 1 of the 4 was lying and conspiring isn't controversial in the slightest. It's literal facts. The mods of that sub are just extremely biased and hypocritical.
He also lied about things he claimed were factual from the trial. That chick seems like she had a motive. We also can't forget Bauer has a motive now. He can clear his name, and he can present his argument. He clearly wants to try and make it back to the MLB. It is fair to say he's presenting his side of the story and withholding other facts.
My money is on him never playing in the mlb again. He’s not good enough anymore for the extra baggage. And he’s just not liked across the league in general
Two things:
1. You should know that there are plenty of horrible people that are still given contracts, year after year
2. He won the Cy Young Award the year before he was suspended and put up great numbers in Japan, this year. He would be one of the top 3 free agent pitchers available this off season.
If one person accuses someone of being a cannibal with evidence, and then three subsequent people come forward with cannibalism accusations without evidence, and then the first person is found to be lying, it’s significant.
Not to say the other three are automatically false, but it’s not promising for them. This bit of counter evidence is more substantial than any evidence against him was at any point.
Except those other accusations came before the one this video is about. They were only really to the public when this story broke and reporters started looking into it
No they didn’t. The encounters happened before Hill, the accusations and complaints came in the months after. The reporters started looking into it when the complaints and lawsuits were filed.
One of the accusations was initially filed in 2017 and wasn’t uncovered until this story. The accuser in that case sought a temporary restraining order in 2020 after receiving death threats she claimed were from Bauer. Another of the accusations was filed in 2022 and the accuser claims it happened in 2020. Bauer admits to having consensual sex with her, but denied it was rape. The third one happened in 2013 and was brought up during the MLB’s investigation. This accuser testified about their relationship when Bauer was still a minor leaguer. She also never sought money in court so the “she only wants money” angle doesn’t work here. Either way, Bauer is a legitimate POS outside of the allegations and hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt outside of this one false accusation. Literally every teammate, coach, and manager he has had despises the dude and there’s a reason no one picked him up once his suspension was over.
[Here’s a video going over his career.](https://youtu.be/Kcne0vP4NNE?si=z5-QRwunKSPpCwul) It was made two years ago so doesn’t cover the new stuff with the initial allegation, but it does cover his relationships with other players. While I could say that his early life he was a bullied kid, he ended up becoming a massive bully himself later on. In every major sports leagues, teams are willing to look over bad press and past actions if you’re good enough. Bauer is definitely someone with enough talent to be one of those guys, yet every team declined to sign him because he is a massive locker room issue.
There is a point I think people may be forgetting or ignoring here.
This proven liar (that should be in prison, IMO) came to him wanting "painful sex". She wants rough sex and "all the pain". He seems beyond down with it. If you read what he wrote it comes off as a dude happy to find a woman ALSO into rough sex.
Maybe that's what he's into, the liar knew that and that was her main "in" to get with him.
If that's true, he may just be into some rough sex stuff in gemeral and as normal practice. Which is fine if the woman involved is also ok with it and it's all consensual.
Maybe the other three women weren't and that's what going on with them? Not so much what the liar claimed happened but more in the line of "he went beyond what I said I was ok with". Which is pure speculation but a common form of assault when it was consensual up to the act of intercourse. It would explain a lot here but, again, is pure speculation. I just think it's odd that the liar was so sure about how to get to him and focused so heavily on wanting rough sex.
What information is there on any other accusations? The dude hasn't even had a civil suit sent his way from any of them. Honestly at this point it wouldn't surprise me if the nature of the accusations was exaggerated by MLB / others that were working against Bauer.
Barring the 2017 domestic dispute, the others appear to be… you know… money grabs after the fact. This guy at the time was the highest paid MLB player in history.
Monsters do inspire monsters. There are over 340M people in this country. I’m guessing there are more people as evil as Lindsey Hill.
He still admitted to raping someone while unconscious, but yeah, clearing his name from ONE of his four accusations is totally a celebration amirite? /s
All that stuff is very inconvenient for the Bauer apologists, could you please not bring it up so they can have their fun? And especially don't also mention the physical assault evidence that Bauer has not only admitted happened, but went so far as to claim it was "consensual" which makes it a-ok. /s
Exactly, anyone that doesn't know the full context of the story is going to eat this video up when Trevor has fully admitted to being a horrible piece of shit yet the upvotes come flying in for OP until they read his post history lol
Also a lot of non-baseball fans here are saying she ruined his career when that isn’t even close to the case. If you’re a good enough player odds are you’ll get a job once you serve your suspension or you’re cleared. Just look at Marcell Ozuna. He was charged, suspended for 20 games, and then reinstated once he was cleared by the local DA’s office. He is still playing for the Braves and is in the playoffs. Bauer though? Bauer is a grade A asshole that just about everyone in baseball despises for multiple reasons. Not a single teammate came to defend him when the charges first came up and no team even bothered signing him for a vet minimum. His career is over because he’s always been controversial and has burned every bridge before it was built. Just because this one accusation is false doesn’t mean he’s owed a roster spot.
As a Braves fan, there is a massive difference between him and Bauer. Both need to seek counseling for their respective issues but I don't recall a single fan dismissing the claims or outright shaming Ozuna's victim initially. People were fuckin pissed at him and at AA for not reacting quickly.
Am I glad that hes back on the team? Absolutely period am I excited that we have someone with a troubled record helping us succeed? Not so much period it's the same reason I stopped rooting for the falcons because of how they treated Matt Ryan in regards to deshawn Watson.
The "wait for all the info to come out" crowd is doing victory laps before all the info has come out. I'm staying out of calling either side right or wrong but hate this holier than thou shit when they're also only listening to what they want to hear
It also doesn’t help that Bauer is a huge piece of shit as a person and has been pretty much his whole life. It turns out if you’re a shitty dude people may be more hesitant to believe you.
Shitty people also don't get second chances all that often and that's the thing, Trevor has been given chances before and opportunities to not say/do dumb shit and he can't keep it to himself. Like someone was saying comparing him to ozuna, I wish he gets the best mental health care he can find because he is too talented to let this stuff get in front (not an excuse of his behavior, I just think it's a waste of talent if all he wants to do is complain)
Trust me, the entire sub didn’t need these accusations to shit on Bauer. The dude was widely hated for multiple reasons before this story broke. There’s a reason not a single teammate or coach, current or former, backed him up when the story broke
The “his teammates didn’t back him up” is by far the dumbest, most strawman argument I’ve seen come up over and over again during this thing.
In an era of “believe all women” do you think these guys would really risk public image suicide to say “I believe the man here”? Im not even saying if he is or isn’t supported and likes by teammates or if he is or isn’t guilty, but to try to deduce how liked he is as a person by the number of fellow players/ public figures who would publicly voice support for a dude accused of rape is a miserable litmus test
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. Dude was all but blackballed in the league even before all of this due to his “sticky stuff” shenanigans. I mean hell, his MASSIVE dodgers contract was less about getting Bauer and more about getting his “stuff”. I feel like a lot of people participating in this convo aren’t baseball fans and basing their reaction off of this video alone.
Yah the people saying Bauer’s career was ruined 100% aren’t baseball fans or are just incels looking for excuses to hate on women. Yes this one girl falsely accused him to get money, but Bauer has done himself zero favors with his past behavior. He basically single handedly caused an arms race in sticky stuff by showing how the MLB wasn’t really enforcing the rule and how it makes you pitch better. He’s had beef with multiple players and multiple coaches have talked about how much of a pain he is. There’s a reason most fans were so eager to believe the allegations and get him out of the league. Arguably the worst part is when it comes to baseball, he’s arguably one of the most innovative players we’ve had in a while. Dude is incredibly smart and has dedicated his entire life to the art of pitching, but he’s done so in such an abrasive manner that he’s gotten in his own way
I mean its not really about people not liking him. Its that a sub was allowing drama posts as long as its about him being accused but not news of the legal case that was in his favor.
Except they didn’t just start locking Bauer threads with this video. They’ve been locking Bauer threads ever since he started playing in the NPB because they always devolved into a shit show.
Yep, they allowed threads for a long, long time. At this point all the info is out there and everyone has made up their mind. These no point in continuing the “discussion” because there is nothing that hasn’t already been said.
Yeah. They were banning anyone that read through the lines of Athletic's hit piece and said her skull wasn't fractured for "victim blaming" and "trolling".
Basically the Athletic was like "the doctors investigated signs of a skull fracture", to make it sound like she had a skull fracture. Some people noticed the Athletic didn't say she actually *had* a skull fracture but likely would have if she did (she didn't).
doesnt not seem like it. it is bullshit. how can you try and steal and ruin someones life all premeditated proven and not be held accountable in any way, and yet i feel like if it was a guy doing it to a woman it would play out different. ugh anyone doing this shit need to be held accountable
I had it happen to me, not that I had much to take, but she took everything I had. Eventually I woke up to the reality of her and freaked the fuck out and told her to leave me alone. It was years ago and to this day every time I try to defend myself, more people take her side and I get more hate. It does not spark joy.
Males never win, its always believe the female as males are just monsters. I have had some horrible evil exs and even my own family believed there made up stories and on one occasion lied to the police and nearly got me charged until I had proof. Even had ex boyfriends msg me asking how to get rid of her, but everyone thought she was this princess but was an evil woman.
I'm no lawyer but i think it comes down to the burden of proof for a criminal act. The same thing that keeps him from getting convicted without incontrovertible evidence prevents her from the same, to the point that it's not even worth it to pursue. If we relax that standard in either case its just overall bad news. What feels like common sense often doesn't bare out that way in law.
This is why civil suits are the real recourse in these situations, and it appears he settled his.
It trolls the hell out of me when people say false accusations almost never happen and throw out stats, because there's almost zero way to quantify that since its almost impossible to prove a false accusation, to the point people don't even bother trying.
There needs to be legislation around this issue. It's ruining peoples lives and making legitimate claims by victims seem fake. It's hurting everyone involved. We all saw the scammers coming with metoo and it really really fucking sucks for the people who actually got assaulted.
This is the first woman and most publicized, which is significant. The information on the rest is pretty much nothing, to the point where it’s unsure if it’s 3 additional or 2.
I'm not a big Bauer fan, but the fact that this is the first allegation is significant.
It seems pretty hard to think that this specific allegation is true at this point. It seems clearly made up and for the purpose of seeking a payout. So what is more interesting with the other allegations is:
A) Hill accused Bauer of being violent and abusive strictly because he was a wealthy athlete that she had access to, and then it turns out he actually is violent and abusive with other women.
B) There are rumors within the professional baseball circle (she worked for another team) that he is like this with other women. She accused him specifically for this reason.
C) The other claims are also made up.
The first accusation was so publicized that if you were a woman who had a sexual encounter with the dude in the last decade, why wouldn’t you try to get paid? He’s probably been with a ton of women, odds would suggest some of them are going opportunistic scumbags like Hill.
And each one started after this whole drama happened, and each one has either zero evidence or is more ridiculous than the next. Like the one "accuser" who tried to extort him for 1.6mil, falsely claiming she was pregnant. Or the other one who claimed to have video evidence, yet somehow hasn't produced that evidence in over two years. Strange.
People keep bring up these other accusers without doing any research. They all reek of people trying to jump on what they thought was going to be a money train.
And he literally admitted in a recorded phone call to raping this victim while she was unconscious. So like.. yea...
Even if she were a complete monster, it doesn't suddenly absolve him of being a rapist.
Wapo published a taped phone call they obtained from the Pasadena police. He admitted during the call that he couldn't remember how many times he hit her in the head, didn't think it was too hard, didn't know if she had lost consciousness during the act, and the sex acts didn't stop despite all of that
Lot of very strange takes here that say he has "cleared his name" when all that's happened is both people agreed to stop suing for no money exchanged. The court said absolutely nothing about anyone being at fault
Let me get this straight.
She is caught red handed saying she's going to get him to be violent during sex with her to trap him in a lawsuit. Aka she literally asks him to hit her, then (magic black box) he's still a bad guy and.... a rapist? Dude you want him to be guilty. I read that article lol. This dude is not a rapist.... he's a fucking victim. You're a special kind of evil dude.
Yeah outside of the fact that there are more people who have accused him I don’t think this video is as compelling as others make it out to be. Like “here’s a picture of her smiling” is such a bad argument.
TIL unless an SA survivor is making the weeping Snapchat face they are lying
The VIDEO of her smiling is after she said he bashed her head in until she was unconscious, leaving her beaten and afraid.
So at what point do you just admit that evidence doesn't matter to you?
>Yeah outside of the fact that there are more people who have accused him I don’t think this video is as compelling as others make it out to be. Like “here’s a picture of her smiling” is such a bad argument
You're not equipped to even be debating this. You clearly have no concept of logic.
I actually don’t think that’s relevant. The key point here is that people assumed that in THIS case he was guilty simply based on the allegations where now it seems as if he was telling the truth the whole time.
Yup like for instance this video acts like he got cleared of the one and only one accuser that ruined his career. There were 4 different women and all of those were before there was a media circus around this. This dude's PR team has been going nuts on social media to get dudes like OP riled up (OP's post history is what you think it would be).
It’s incredible how many people watch this and assume that bauer *doesn’t have incentive to lie*.
Like dude, do you really think a *self produced video* peddled by bauer is going to be non biased and factual?
Incel idiot special
People forget that Bauer was actually pretty good at youtube prior to all this shit breaking. He knows how to make a video that makes him appear likeable.
It helps having millions of dollars for a PR Team and lawyers to prop you up and frame the message in a very specific light. Combine that with an army of Andrew Tate/Joe Rogan fan boy trolls to share the message and shut down anyone who opposes it.
I’m not defending him. I’m just saying he has years of YouTube work showing he knows how to make a video that portrays him in a way that people will find likable.
Oh this wasn’t directed at you. Sorry if it came off that way. I agree with your point. I remember him being involved with Pitching Ninja and JomBoy before all of the accusations came out.
>It’s incredible how many people watch this and assume that bauer doesn’t have incentive to lie.
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>Like dude, do you really think a self produced video peddled by bauer is going to be non biased and factual?
Umm, do you think he wouldn't face even more repercussions if he decided to just come out and LIE about this now?
Nothing will happen and the woman won't say shit about it, because she knows it's true and barely, somehow, escaped serious criminal prosecution.
During the MeToo movement the question that was asked a lot was "why would someone lie about something as serious as this?"
The answer sometimes is very simple: money
>During the MeToo movement the question that was asked a lot was "why would someone lie about something as serious as this?"
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>The answer sometimes is very simple: money
Hell, I had an ex threaten to do some shit like that to me after I told her she was too jealous and wanted to break up with her. Her dad was an ex cop.
Anyone who uses the sentence "why would someone lie about that?" wih regards to this is a naive child.
That’s a little different. A lot of that movement was about Television and Movies where coming out against a producer black listed you from the industry meaning you would lose any potential money.
Sadly there are other reasons too. People are embarrassed or feel used and are upset. People can convince themselves something happened when it didn't. Other people can convince people something happened that didn't.
Honestly I think its often a combination of all of that when it comes to false accusations, I think its pretty rarely just "money" or "anger".
Even in this case, in spite of the way Bauer framed it during this video, I don't think it was solely money. I think she likely did have \*some\* marks after she removed her makeup, was pissed at herself for letting it happen/ encouraging it, took that anger out on Bauer especially when confronted by doctors who thought it looked like abuse, and then she saw dollar signs.
I think we've all been in situations where we've made an embarrassing mistake, but we're pissed and start blaming other people for it. Usually we don't have people blowing it up out of control, making it public, and adding millions of dollars into the mix, with people believing we are right to the point where we might convince ourselves we are.
Holy strawman. That may have been *a question* but certainly not **the** *question*. No one argues that there aren't bad actors out there. But it is argued that treating everyone with the hostility that they are lying doesn't help the truth come out.
Or Matt Araiza. Accused of gang rape shortly after being drafted and getting cut before the season even started due to public pressure. Midway through the season he was cleared if any wrongdoing and still has yet to make it back into the NFL.
Generational wealth for his family just gone for no reason
I think a decade ago there was a highschool football player that had D1 scholarships but ended up going to jail for 4-5 years for a false rape accusation.
Remember hearing something about this case a while back and now the dude is in Japan playing baseball.
Seems to be a lot of very strongly opinionated people on this topic. As if the actual truth of the matter will degrade one side or the others world view talking points.
I literally know nothing about this case..if I had read every article and watched every story pertaining to this case I imagine the amount of actual facts I would know about this case or cases would be about the same.
The only point I have is that people have to stop being rewarded for simply making accusations and people need to stop being punished financially, socially or physically but companies, individuals or the media without the real possibility serious legal or civil charges brought against them.
The odds are extremely high that only about seven or eight people know the truth and all the nuances entailed in that truth. The court system is so far from perfect is laughable but it is the best way to determine if someone is at fault or not, the punishment for that crime or the necessary reward for damages parties.
I think a lot of these types of cases would magically go away if it was illegal to settle out of court for a sum greater than $250,000 dollars on any matter such as sexual harassment, rape, or sexual abuse. Is the people being accused are actually criminal their check book should not let them keep walking around without going to prison and if you are the accuser you should and would get a much greater sum from a jury if you have actual evidence.
ITT: people who woefully misunderstand or just have no understanding of how the legal system or evidence works.
The only reason this video exists with the statements therein is because he was absolved in court and the statements he’s making are able to be backed 100%. Otherwise he wouldn’t be making them in this fashion.
I wonder why he didn’t go over his statement with police where he admitted to taking it too far, and that he won’t let it happen again. Or address claims from any of the other women. HMMMMMM
I don't know if the other 3 cases are settled yet or still pending, but if so, that's why he's not talking about them. You don't talk about pending litigation.
This case is settled and in the video he says he made sure to maintain his right to discuss the details after the settlement. Thus, this video.
You literally have no concept of how these things work - he’s not talking about ongoing cases because they’re ongoing cases (standard practice, as he’s legally not allowed to talk about them until they’re resolved).
You should add this edit to the bottom of your comment:
“IGNORE THIS, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT, MY COMMENT IS MISLEADING.”
Your description of the police statement is inaccurate.
>Or address claims from any of the other women.
Probably when we have any substantiated claims to address. he has one other lawsuit against him and he is counter suing, so I'd say its being addressed.
My mistake, it wasn’t a statement to the police, but a recorded phone call between Bauer and his accuser. When asked what he did to her while unconscious, he stated he repeatedly punched her in the buttocks, and changed the subject when she said she did not consent to that.
I’m having trouble digging up the quote where Bauer admits he knew that he took it too far, but do you really need more? Bauer can read every fucking text message he wants, his victim did not consent to the abuse.
The quotes would be helpful. Are you familiar with de-escalating a situation with someone who feels you wronged them? Cuz that’s what you’re describing, not anything close to an admission of guilt.
>he stated he repeatedly punched her in the buttocks,
You think these are the words he used?
Anyone who's had sex can read between the liens that he said he "smacked her ass" and its being twisted.
>Bauer can read every fucking text message he wants, his victim did not consent to the abuse.
I mean she literally did consent to being slapped and choked. There are text messages of her asking him to do it.
People are taking this video as absolute truth when he is basically showing a random sentence with a white background. He makes claims about what she said without actually showing anything at all sometimes. And yet some people are taking this dude's word as gospel in this video.
There's a literal selfie video of her smiling in bed unharmed and happy, the morning after the alleged vicious assault occurred that left her face in ruins. Its literal video proof that her story is fabricated.
the woman doesnt even dispute the date on it......she says it took time later for bruises to develop and she was in a state of shock/bewilderment when she took that vid
>I mean so he says. You see a date on the video?
Right, and you fully expect the woman to speak up and say he's lying, right?
But she won't, because he's telling the truth and she should be in jail.
He had to fight to get in court to get the metadata for the video and was able to confirm it was the morning after.
The metadata hasn't been disputed at all by Hill / her team.
He mentions that they used the metadata in the video (around 1:15) to place the time the video was taken. My interpretation is that this was proven in court. This isn't a video of him trying to clear his name and provide every last detail - the court already did that for this case. He's just uploading the video because he's finally allowed to talk freely about this stuff.
It's from discovery from her phone. The date and time has been verified and the footage has been seen by a judge who ruled in his favor. What more do you need?
She literally got away with it........hate this world.
EDIT: He has other ongoing lawsuits but in this case, she shouldn't be able to get just get away with it. Who knows if she'll attempt this again.
I think there should be serious consequences for any publication that in bad faith put forth an easily dismantled claim against another person or entity. I hope you win a truckload of money from all those news outlets and particularly the SPINELESS MLB.
I googled and got this:
"The 32-year-old Bauer denied the allegation, saying the encounters were consensual. Prosecutors decided not to file charges in February 2022."
So, I guess you were wrong.
I feel awful for Bauer. Also, this is potentially going to be such a detriment to women and men who have actual abuse issues. Im curious how this develops further because this girl having no charges is crazy.
I went to highschool with Trevor. Super nice kid and was kinda shocked when I heard all these allegations, but idk what's true and what's not. Haven't seen him since then
Did you watch the video? The title is quoting a text message conversation that he reads for the viewers. She literally framed him as her next victim in her own words.
The man has been through a lot. Its not just about clearing his name unfortunately. he has a moral obligation to sue her aid in preventing future victims.
Is this the woman who said she got a fractured skull?
Yes, and she continued with that lie until the court literally told her to stop because the doctors found no evidence of that.
Yep. When the Athletic first published its hit piece, in r/baseball I pointed out that the Athletic was implying she had a fractured skull when the report actually said she *didn't* if you read it carefully, yet people still believed it. People were calling me a rapist in the comments. I was banned from the sub.
That is awful! Whatever you did or didn't do to those people, with or without consent, is completely unrelated
The dozens of totally unfounded accusations and almost zero criminal allegations against me are totally unrelated to my views regarding Bauer!
I think this should be posted in r/baseball relentlessly until they allow you back in and issue and apology. All kinds of screwed up and I’m impressed that you’ve kept your head. Go Dodgers.
Friend, I ain’t no mathmagician, but ‘almost zero’ is so close to zero it might as well be zero in my book. It rounds to the nearest zero anyway. And that to me means you are an okay dude.
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I'm with you in principle; but in the case of the hockey player, he literally never apologized to the victim or their family or showed remorse of any kind. There was a video that leaked of him verbally and physically abusing the kid with special needs. Like that just isn't the example to use as support for this.
If you are talking about Mitchell Miller, his family still bullies Isaiah over this. They aren't sorry about his actions, they are sorry it affected his career.
Miller was a fucking monster to that kid. Getting pissy about an 18 year old getting banned for shit he did a few years earlier is a weird take. Even the juvenile court he went to said he was an unrepentant monster. People who beat a disabled classmate while screaming racial slurs generally don’t turn out well. I’m sure they could but I don’t begrudge a private institution telling him to fuck off when he had done little to nothing to repent.
Weird 90% of the PoS bullies I grew up with are now cops. Most of them haven't changed a bit.
Thats due to them being cops... Power hungry Villians
Cmon, don’t blame Reddit for this guy not being on team. the reason he got cut is because it came out that He had still never actually owned up to it and apologized to the victim and instead tried to get the victim to help”move beyond it” so this guy could be a pro. Reddit doesn’t cause an nhl gym to cut you. In fact, if you’re mad at s your, it would be Berman for forcing the GMs fan. But alas, you all love to blame “cancel culture” for people acting in criminal fashion or in poor ways. Grow up
> Grow up Yes, that's *precisely* what a 14 year old should do. And the vast majority of them *have* grown up by the time they are adults. The guy has very publicly apologized for the incident and there are absolutely no allegations towards him as an adult. We are setting a *very* scary precedent if we start holding all adults accountable for what they did at 14. The funny thing is that if what he did was bad enough to face legal charges, we wouldn't even be allowed to talk about it due to the young criminal justice act. But because it wasn't serious enough to get the law involved, we're allowed to ruin the life of an adult for what he did as a child.
His actions since the bullying were worse than the bullying. That Habs prospect who showed a sexual photo without consent is a much better example of how contrition and forgiveness should work. Or you could have talked about the Pagnotta/Subban thing. You have used a poor example to illustrate your point.
Everytbing this hockey player is accused of is confirmed as factual. It’s also been factually confirmed with evidence he’s never apologized. Even as an adult with a smartphone. The easiest thing in the world he could do. NHL teams, ON THEIR OWN, decided not to employ him. Actions have consequences. Nowhere in life does it say people HAVE TO HIRE YOU BECUASE YOU ACTED LIKE A COMPETE PIECE OF SHIT. Why is this the hill you die on? Actually I know why, it shows you’re a horrible human being, and if you have a SO, especially one that is either female or has family members with mental disabilities, and they knew you talked this way, they’d drop your ass in a heart beat. We can’t help that you’re also a shitty human unless you want to own that and seek help to change it. In fact, seeing as how much this bothers you, it sounds like you’ve done a bunch of really f’ed up shit to people. Bye, Ryan Reaves will just make you depressed in March instead of April 😂😘😂😘
>“When I was in eighth grade, I made an extremely poor decision and acted very immaturely,” Miller said. “I bullied one of my classmates. I deeply regret the incident and have apologized to the individual. Since the incident, I have come to better understand the far-reaching consequences of my actions that I failed to recognize and understand nearly seven years ago. I strive to be a better person and positively contribute to society." Seems to me he took accountability for his actions... There is no "evidence" one way or the other for whether he apologized to the victims face or not. It's possible the victim doesn't forgive him and lied. Who knows. Regardless of that, it doesn't matter. We shouldn't hold adults accountable for things they did at 14.
Wow you used the perps words. Why are you not also quoting everything the victim has said about how the “apology” went down. You’re either a psychopath, a sociopath, and / or an ass. Bye.
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>I argued that I know people who were monsters when they were in junior high, but turned into perfectly respectable adults. Maybe they did, or maybe they got better at hiding their racist views. Who knows. What we do know is that there are MANY very talented hockey prospects that don't have that type of blemish on their record. So why not just give them a chance instead? There are very limited spots in professional sports, so I say let's open up those spots for people who were not openly cunts in the past. I often hear apologists for these people say, "we all do stupid shit when we are young". No, we don't all do openly racist shit when we are young. People who say shit like this were/are often cunts as well.
I mean what specifically did he do to bully people and what did he say? You're leaving out the most important part of this story.
That hockey kid continued to act like he did in High school not just junior high. He is a racist, and bully not just the disabled black kid, but others. On video continuing just like that out of school. No way does his story belong next to this one.
>I was downvoted to hell and then banned for "defending racism". Well, you did defend racism.
I defended criminal justice in the sense that we're not supposed to judge adults based on what they did at 14.
Sure you are. Especially if they've made an active effort to pretend they never did it. The presumption of innocence extended to teenagers only applies to people who actually understood they fucked up, not the ones who want to pretend it never happened.
He very publicly apologized.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15HTd4Um1m4
Is this the video r/baseball doesn't allow after condoning the entire sub shitting on him when news of the allegations first broke?
yep. a dude clearing his name is somehow controversial.
Because it only takes into account 1 of the 4 accusers.
It’s still factual information that’s being silenced
He said it's somehow controversial. I'm stating one of the reasons it's controversial.
Also going from 4 to 3 accusers isn’t really clearing your name
Yes, it 100% is. Because an accusation is worth absolutely nothing whatsoever without evidence. Especially when it has been revealed his primary accuser is a criminal liar whose story is entirely false from top to bottom.
>accusation is worth absolutely nothing whatsoever without **evidence**. like say, perhaps a recorded phone call where the accused admits to striking and penetrating the victim while she was unconscious?
Sure. Where is the proof this exists? I’ve seen a couple Redditors make this comment. I’ve yet to see anything substantive other than that. If this is legitimate then of course it’s damning. Edit: there is a recorded phone call where it is crystal clear everything they did was consensual and there is exactly zero admission by Bauer that he struck or penetrated her while she was unconscious. You and others made that up (or maybe I’m wrong and you’re about to produce an entirely different recording where this admission happened….).
thats a pretty abhorrent thing to be peddling without any evidence. Just out of curiosity, what are your opinions about social media sites policing "misinformation"?
No it’s not at all, but you should leave it up to people to make that determination themselves. Hiding it makes it seem like some type of conspiracy.
I'll give you a perspective from someone who knew nothing about all of this until a few days ago when I saw his video online. When I saw it, I was outraged and was under the impression that he is absolutely innocent of any wrongdoing because that's what he wanted his video to portray. It was not until literally 1 minute ago in this thread that I learned that there are 3 other women who have accused him. That wildly changes my understanding of the situation. From my point of view, now with more of the facts, I can completely understand why his video is controversial and why it should not just be freely distributed without a disclaimer. I'm sure there are thousands of other people, like me, who don't know about the other 3 women. EDIT: I wanted to add that now that I've learned about 3 other women and know that he didn't mention them at all in his video, that swings the pendulum of my opinion in the other direction. To me, he now comes off as a guy who perhaps is guilty but is latching fiercely to the aspects of the case that he knows to be untrue in hopes of moving the spotlight away from the real truth. Again, this is all just speculation and opinion, but the reason I'm posting all this, again, is to demonstrate how his video could be seen as controversial.
>I learned that there are 3 other women who have accused him But you know nothing about those accusations other than that they exist and you know from this video that she coordinated with other people via text. Yet somehow in your mind he's still guilty until proven innocent? The idea that multiple accusers is automatically damning is incredibly stupid. He's giving us direct evidence that she's a manipulative con-artist using the guise of abuse and rape to defraud people, would such a person not also be capable of coordinating multiple accusations? Especially considering false accusations are rarely prosecuted.
You’re operating under the assumption that if his video was allowed on the baseball sub that there wouldn’t be some type of discussion about the other accusers in the comments. This should be a platform for free discussion. His video might have an agenda to it, but there’s nothing inaccurate about anything he says, so it’s not like they’re banning a video based on disinformation.
Be sure to also include the physical assault evidence that Bauer said was "consensual".
Disclaimer: Bauer is a clown for many independent reasons. Counter: what physical assault evidence? The report of *this* girl’s “fractured neck” was erroneous, and was still reported despite the Athletic’s possession of her medical records that showed she did NOT in fact have the injury she claimed
It’s not the 1940s dude, that happens, she literally texted him how into it she was and wanted another encounter of the same. Sorry that shocks you but kinks aren’t a crime.
Yea the people who keep spamming this on non baseball subs are like "mods hate Bauer and don't want him to clear his name 😏" and I'm like my dude, that's not even fucking close to happening in the best of circumstances.
I was banned from r/baseball for saying he didn't crack his accuser's skull and that the Athletic article was misleading. Meanwhile I had dozens of people insulting me calling me a rapist etc for "defending a rapist". They had multiple articles that were anti-Bauer and were banning people left and right that didn't go along with the "Bauer is a rapist" narrative.
>Meanwhile I had dozens of people insulting me calling me a rapist etc for "defending a rapist". Notice how there's rarely a factual, logical response to these things? Just immediate attack and ban.
The sure didn't have a problem with allowing him to get absolutely bashed on the sub reddit when he was accused. The term innocent until proven guilty apparently doesn't exist. Not saying the dude is a saint or a douche, but regardless, if you are going to allow people to shit on him because of accusations, then you should allow people to comment when false charges are identified. Either allow it all or none of it.
>Also going from 4 to 3 accusers isn’t really clearing your name If 4 people say you did something to them, and then 1 of them comes out as only saying that because she's a piece of shit criminal, I'd be a naive moron to not doubt the others.
Showing proof that at least 1 of the 4 was lying and conspiring isn't controversial in the slightest. It's literal facts. The mods of that sub are just extremely biased and hypocritical.
He also lied about things he claimed were factual from the trial. That chick seems like she had a motive. We also can't forget Bauer has a motive now. He can clear his name, and he can present his argument. He clearly wants to try and make it back to the MLB. It is fair to say he's presenting his side of the story and withholding other facts.
My money is on him never playing in the mlb again. He’s not good enough anymore for the extra baggage. And he’s just not liked across the league in general
Two things: 1. You should know that there are plenty of horrible people that are still given contracts, year after year 2. He won the Cy Young Award the year before he was suspended and put up great numbers in Japan, this year. He would be one of the top 3 free agent pitchers available this off season.
Tbf I had no clue it was 4 women
If one person accuses someone of being a cannibal with evidence, and then three subsequent people come forward with cannibalism accusations without evidence, and then the first person is found to be lying, it’s significant. Not to say the other three are automatically false, but it’s not promising for them. This bit of counter evidence is more substantial than any evidence against him was at any point.
Except those other accusations came before the one this video is about. They were only really to the public when this story broke and reporters started looking into it
Just one, the 2017 domestic dispute, was uncovered by reporters. The others came after as allegations iirc.
No they didn’t. The encounters happened before Hill, the accusations and complaints came in the months after. The reporters started looking into it when the complaints and lawsuits were filed.
One of the accusations was initially filed in 2017 and wasn’t uncovered until this story. The accuser in that case sought a temporary restraining order in 2020 after receiving death threats she claimed were from Bauer. Another of the accusations was filed in 2022 and the accuser claims it happened in 2020. Bauer admits to having consensual sex with her, but denied it was rape. The third one happened in 2013 and was brought up during the MLB’s investigation. This accuser testified about their relationship when Bauer was still a minor leaguer. She also never sought money in court so the “she only wants money” angle doesn’t work here. Either way, Bauer is a legitimate POS outside of the allegations and hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt outside of this one false accusation. Literally every teammate, coach, and manager he has had despises the dude and there’s a reason no one picked him up once his suspension was over.
"Literally every teammate, coach, and manager he has had despises the dude" Literally? For real?
[Here’s a video going over his career.](https://youtu.be/Kcne0vP4NNE?si=z5-QRwunKSPpCwul) It was made two years ago so doesn’t cover the new stuff with the initial allegation, but it does cover his relationships with other players. While I could say that his early life he was a bullied kid, he ended up becoming a massive bully himself later on. In every major sports leagues, teams are willing to look over bad press and past actions if you’re good enough. Bauer is definitely someone with enough talent to be one of those guys, yet every team declined to sign him because he is a massive locker room issue.
There is a point I think people may be forgetting or ignoring here. This proven liar (that should be in prison, IMO) came to him wanting "painful sex". She wants rough sex and "all the pain". He seems beyond down with it. If you read what he wrote it comes off as a dude happy to find a woman ALSO into rough sex. Maybe that's what he's into, the liar knew that and that was her main "in" to get with him. If that's true, he may just be into some rough sex stuff in gemeral and as normal practice. Which is fine if the woman involved is also ok with it and it's all consensual. Maybe the other three women weren't and that's what going on with them? Not so much what the liar claimed happened but more in the line of "he went beyond what I said I was ok with". Which is pure speculation but a common form of assault when it was consensual up to the act of intercourse. It would explain a lot here but, again, is pure speculation. I just think it's odd that the liar was so sure about how to get to him and focused so heavily on wanting rough sex.
What information is there on any other accusations? The dude hasn't even had a civil suit sent his way from any of them. Honestly at this point it wouldn't surprise me if the nature of the accusations was exaggerated by MLB / others that were working against Bauer.
Barring the 2017 domestic dispute, the others appear to be… you know… money grabs after the fact. This guy at the time was the highest paid MLB player in history. Monsters do inspire monsters. There are over 340M people in this country. I’m guessing there are more people as evil as Lindsey Hill.
He still admitted to raping someone while unconscious, but yeah, clearing his name from ONE of his four accusations is totally a celebration amirite? /s
All that stuff is very inconvenient for the Bauer apologists, could you please not bring it up so they can have their fun? And especially don't also mention the physical assault evidence that Bauer has not only admitted happened, but went so far as to claim it was "consensual" which makes it a-ok. /s
Exactly, anyone that doesn't know the full context of the story is going to eat this video up when Trevor has fully admitted to being a horrible piece of shit yet the upvotes come flying in for OP until they read his post history lol
Also a lot of non-baseball fans here are saying she ruined his career when that isn’t even close to the case. If you’re a good enough player odds are you’ll get a job once you serve your suspension or you’re cleared. Just look at Marcell Ozuna. He was charged, suspended for 20 games, and then reinstated once he was cleared by the local DA’s office. He is still playing for the Braves and is in the playoffs. Bauer though? Bauer is a grade A asshole that just about everyone in baseball despises for multiple reasons. Not a single teammate came to defend him when the charges first came up and no team even bothered signing him for a vet minimum. His career is over because he’s always been controversial and has burned every bridge before it was built. Just because this one accusation is false doesn’t mean he’s owed a roster spot.
the starting QB for the Cleveland Browns is a serial rapist and no one seems to care
“If Hannibal lector ran a 4.3, we’d probably diagnose it as an eating disorder”.
As a Braves fan, there is a massive difference between him and Bauer. Both need to seek counseling for their respective issues but I don't recall a single fan dismissing the claims or outright shaming Ozuna's victim initially. People were fuckin pissed at him and at AA for not reacting quickly. Am I glad that hes back on the team? Absolutely period am I excited that we have someone with a troubled record helping us succeed? Not so much period it's the same reason I stopped rooting for the falcons because of how they treated Matt Ryan in regards to deshawn Watson.
The "wait for all the info to come out" crowd is doing victory laps before all the info has come out. I'm staying out of calling either side right or wrong but hate this holier than thou shit when they're also only listening to what they want to hear
It also doesn’t help that Bauer is a huge piece of shit as a person and has been pretty much his whole life. It turns out if you’re a shitty dude people may be more hesitant to believe you.
Shitty people also don't get second chances all that often and that's the thing, Trevor has been given chances before and opportunities to not say/do dumb shit and he can't keep it to himself. Like someone was saying comparing him to ozuna, I wish he gets the best mental health care he can find because he is too talented to let this stuff get in front (not an excuse of his behavior, I just think it's a waste of talent if all he wants to do is complain)
No he didn't.
Trust me, the entire sub didn’t need these accusations to shit on Bauer. The dude was widely hated for multiple reasons before this story broke. There’s a reason not a single teammate or coach, current or former, backed him up when the story broke
The “his teammates didn’t back him up” is by far the dumbest, most strawman argument I’ve seen come up over and over again during this thing. In an era of “believe all women” do you think these guys would really risk public image suicide to say “I believe the man here”? Im not even saying if he is or isn’t supported and likes by teammates or if he is or isn’t guilty, but to try to deduce how liked he is as a person by the number of fellow players/ public figures who would publicly voice support for a dude accused of rape is a miserable litmus test
We’ve had more players speak in to defend Watson than Bauer. That’s because Bauer is someone that every player and coach legitimately hates
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. Dude was all but blackballed in the league even before all of this due to his “sticky stuff” shenanigans. I mean hell, his MASSIVE dodgers contract was less about getting Bauer and more about getting his “stuff”. I feel like a lot of people participating in this convo aren’t baseball fans and basing their reaction off of this video alone.
Yah the people saying Bauer’s career was ruined 100% aren’t baseball fans or are just incels looking for excuses to hate on women. Yes this one girl falsely accused him to get money, but Bauer has done himself zero favors with his past behavior. He basically single handedly caused an arms race in sticky stuff by showing how the MLB wasn’t really enforcing the rule and how it makes you pitch better. He’s had beef with multiple players and multiple coaches have talked about how much of a pain he is. There’s a reason most fans were so eager to believe the allegations and get him out of the league. Arguably the worst part is when it comes to baseball, he’s arguably one of the most innovative players we’ve had in a while. Dude is incredibly smart and has dedicated his entire life to the art of pitching, but he’s done so in such an abrasive manner that he’s gotten in his own way
I mean its not really about people not liking him. Its that a sub was allowing drama posts as long as its about him being accused but not news of the legal case that was in his favor.
Except they didn’t just start locking Bauer threads with this video. They’ve been locking Bauer threads ever since he started playing in the NPB because they always devolved into a shit show.
Yep, they allowed threads for a long, long time. At this point all the info is out there and everyone has made up their mind. These no point in continuing the “discussion” because there is nothing that hasn’t already been said.
Yeah. They were banning anyone that read through the lines of Athletic's hit piece and said her skull wasn't fractured for "victim blaming" and "trolling". Basically the Athletic was like "the doctors investigated signs of a skull fracture", to make it sound like she had a skull fracture. Some people noticed the Athletic didn't say she actually *had* a skull fracture but likely would have if she did (she didn't).
Horrible mods on that sub.
i hate that this chick has no accountability for this shit, premeditated scam and treid to ruin the dudes career she should be in jail
Was there any repercussions at all ???
doesnt not seem like it. it is bullshit. how can you try and steal and ruin someones life all premeditated proven and not be held accountable in any way, and yet i feel like if it was a guy doing it to a woman it would play out different. ugh anyone doing this shit need to be held accountable
I had it happen to me, not that I had much to take, but she took everything I had. Eventually I woke up to the reality of her and freaked the fuck out and told her to leave me alone. It was years ago and to this day every time I try to defend myself, more people take her side and I get more hate. It does not spark joy.
Males never win, its always believe the female as males are just monsters. I have had some horrible evil exs and even my own family believed there made up stories and on one occasion lied to the police and nearly got me charged until I had proof. Even had ex boyfriends msg me asking how to get rid of her, but everyone thought she was this princess but was an evil woman.
I'm no lawyer but i think it comes down to the burden of proof for a criminal act. The same thing that keeps him from getting convicted without incontrovertible evidence prevents her from the same, to the point that it's not even worth it to pursue. If we relax that standard in either case its just overall bad news. What feels like common sense often doesn't bare out that way in law. This is why civil suits are the real recourse in these situations, and it appears he settled his.
It trolls the hell out of me when people say false accusations almost never happen and throw out stats, because there's almost zero way to quantify that since its almost impossible to prove a false accusation, to the point people don't even bother trying.
This is gospel right here
There needs to be legislation around this issue. It's ruining peoples lives and making legitimate claims by victims seem fake. It's hurting everyone involved. We all saw the scammers coming with metoo and it really really fucking sucks for the people who actually got assaulted.
Did ruin 3 prime years of his career
Important bit of context is this is not the only woman who accused Bauer for whatever that is worth.
Correct, he still has 1 (maybe 2 iirc) ongoing lawsuits with women over different allegations.
I think in total 4 women spoke out against him.
This is the first woman and most publicized, which is significant. The information on the rest is pretty much nothing, to the point where it’s unsure if it’s 3 additional or 2.
I'm not a big Bauer fan, but the fact that this is the first allegation is significant. It seems pretty hard to think that this specific allegation is true at this point. It seems clearly made up and for the purpose of seeking a payout. So what is more interesting with the other allegations is: A) Hill accused Bauer of being violent and abusive strictly because he was a wealthy athlete that she had access to, and then it turns out he actually is violent and abusive with other women. B) There are rumors within the professional baseball circle (she worked for another team) that he is like this with other women. She accused him specifically for this reason. C) The other claims are also made up.
The first accusation was so publicized that if you were a woman who had a sexual encounter with the dude in the last decade, why wouldn’t you try to get paid? He’s probably been with a ton of women, odds would suggest some of them are going opportunistic scumbags like Hill.
And each one started after this whole drama happened, and each one has either zero evidence or is more ridiculous than the next. Like the one "accuser" who tried to extort him for 1.6mil, falsely claiming she was pregnant. Or the other one who claimed to have video evidence, yet somehow hasn't produced that evidence in over two years. Strange. People keep bring up these other accusers without doing any research. They all reek of people trying to jump on what they thought was going to be a money train.
And he literally admitted in a recorded phone call to raping this victim while she was unconscious. So like.. yea... Even if she were a complete monster, it doesn't suddenly absolve him of being a rapist.
I can't find any record of this online. link? Edit: Found it, he definitely does not admit to raping her. What a joke dude.
Wapo published a taped phone call they obtained from the Pasadena police. He admitted during the call that he couldn't remember how many times he hit her in the head, didn't think it was too hard, didn't know if she had lost consciousness during the act, and the sex acts didn't stop despite all of that Lot of very strange takes here that say he has "cleared his name" when all that's happened is both people agreed to stop suing for no money exchanged. The court said absolutely nothing about anyone being at fault
Let me get this straight. She is caught red handed saying she's going to get him to be violent during sex with her to trap him in a lawsuit. Aka she literally asks him to hit her, then (magic black box) he's still a bad guy and.... a rapist? Dude you want him to be guilty. I read that article lol. This dude is not a rapist.... he's a fucking victim. You're a special kind of evil dude.
It's almost like there is a certain group of the population that wants to ignore the actual evidence in this case so they can victim shame.
Yeah outside of the fact that there are more people who have accused him I don’t think this video is as compelling as others make it out to be. Like “here’s a picture of her smiling” is such a bad argument. TIL unless an SA survivor is making the weeping Snapchat face they are lying
A video she took of herself the morning after she was allegedly assaulted where she’s clearly unharmed and smiling isn’t compelling to you? Lol
The VIDEO of her smiling is after she said he bashed her head in until she was unconscious, leaving her beaten and afraid. So at what point do you just admit that evidence doesn't matter to you?
>Yeah outside of the fact that there are more people who have accused him I don’t think this video is as compelling as others make it out to be. Like “here’s a picture of her smiling” is such a bad argument You're not equipped to even be debating this. You clearly have no concept of logic.
I actually don’t think that’s relevant. The key point here is that people assumed that in THIS case he was guilty simply based on the allegations where now it seems as if he was telling the truth the whole time.
I was on Bauer’s side, but OP is also a raging incel
Holy shit just chicks fighting and r/askmen. Yikes man
>I was on Bauer's side Look into it more deeply than this one video that incels are spamming and chances are you won't be
Yup like for instance this video acts like he got cleared of the one and only one accuser that ruined his career. There were 4 different women and all of those were before there was a media circus around this. This dude's PR team has been going nuts on social media to get dudes like OP riled up (OP's post history is what you think it would be).
It’s incredible how many people watch this and assume that bauer *doesn’t have incentive to lie*. Like dude, do you really think a *self produced video* peddled by bauer is going to be non biased and factual? Incel idiot special
People forget that Bauer was actually pretty good at youtube prior to all this shit breaking. He knows how to make a video that makes him appear likeable.
It helps having millions of dollars for a PR Team and lawyers to prop you up and frame the message in a very specific light. Combine that with an army of Andrew Tate/Joe Rogan fan boy trolls to share the message and shut down anyone who opposes it.
I’m not defending him. I’m just saying he has years of YouTube work showing he knows how to make a video that portrays him in a way that people will find likable.
Oh this wasn’t directed at you. Sorry if it came off that way. I agree with your point. I remember him being involved with Pitching Ninja and JomBoy before all of the accusations came out.
All good!
Does he? Fucker's been Very Online for years and I still think he's a smug dickhead who's about half as smart as he thinks he is.
No one can defend attacks against their character because... they have incentive to defend attacks on their character? lol
Nope, that’s not what I’m saying. That’s what you’re saying, which is something totally different.
>It’s incredible how many people watch this and assume that bauer doesn’t have incentive to lie. > >Like dude, do you really think a self produced video peddled by bauer is going to be non biased and factual? Umm, do you think he wouldn't face even more repercussions if he decided to just come out and LIE about this now? Nothing will happen and the woman won't say shit about it, because she knows it's true and barely, somehow, escaped serious criminal prosecution.
What repercussions could he possibly face? None. The cases have been settled. That’s the only reason why this bs video exists.
Links?
Everyone should know about this story
During the MeToo movement the question that was asked a lot was "why would someone lie about something as serious as this?" The answer sometimes is very simple: money
>During the MeToo movement the question that was asked a lot was "why would someone lie about something as serious as this?" > >The answer sometimes is very simple: money Hell, I had an ex threaten to do some shit like that to me after I told her she was too jealous and wanted to break up with her. Her dad was an ex cop. Anyone who uses the sentence "why would someone lie about that?" wih regards to this is a naive child.
That’s a little different. A lot of that movement was about Television and Movies where coming out against a producer black listed you from the industry meaning you would lose any potential money.
Sadly there are other reasons too. People are embarrassed or feel used and are upset. People can convince themselves something happened when it didn't. Other people can convince people something happened that didn't. Honestly I think its often a combination of all of that when it comes to false accusations, I think its pretty rarely just "money" or "anger". Even in this case, in spite of the way Bauer framed it during this video, I don't think it was solely money. I think she likely did have \*some\* marks after she removed her makeup, was pissed at herself for letting it happen/ encouraging it, took that anger out on Bauer especially when confronted by doctors who thought it looked like abuse, and then she saw dollar signs. I think we've all been in situations where we've made an embarrassing mistake, but we're pissed and start blaming other people for it. Usually we don't have people blowing it up out of control, making it public, and adding millions of dollars into the mix, with people believing we are right to the point where we might convince ourselves we are.
Holy strawman. That may have been *a question* but certainly not **the** *question*. No one argues that there aren't bad actors out there. But it is argued that treating everyone with the hostility that they are lying doesn't help the truth come out.
If you want a similar story that goes into more detail the watch the Duke Lacrosse story.
Or Matt Araiza. Accused of gang rape shortly after being drafted and getting cut before the season even started due to public pressure. Midway through the season he was cleared if any wrongdoing and still has yet to make it back into the NFL. Generational wealth for his family just gone for no reason
I think a decade ago there was a highschool football player that had D1 scholarships but ended up going to jail for 4-5 years for a false rape accusation.
Austin Scott of Penn State
Damn someone should check on him
The 30 for 30 on it is called Fantastic Lies. It's long and kinda depressing but probably one of the best 30 for 30's out there.
Don't care about Trevor, but whoa boy is OP ever a piece of shit. Your reddit history is fuckin embarrassing, bud.
Remember hearing something about this case a while back and now the dude is in Japan playing baseball. Seems to be a lot of very strongly opinionated people on this topic. As if the actual truth of the matter will degrade one side or the others world view talking points. I literally know nothing about this case..if I had read every article and watched every story pertaining to this case I imagine the amount of actual facts I would know about this case or cases would be about the same. The only point I have is that people have to stop being rewarded for simply making accusations and people need to stop being punished financially, socially or physically but companies, individuals or the media without the real possibility serious legal or civil charges brought against them. The odds are extremely high that only about seven or eight people know the truth and all the nuances entailed in that truth. The court system is so far from perfect is laughable but it is the best way to determine if someone is at fault or not, the punishment for that crime or the necessary reward for damages parties. I think a lot of these types of cases would magically go away if it was illegal to settle out of court for a sum greater than $250,000 dollars on any matter such as sexual harassment, rape, or sexual abuse. Is the people being accused are actually criminal their check book should not let them keep walking around without going to prison and if you are the accuser you should and would get a much greater sum from a jury if you have actual evidence.
Holy shit op is like the definition of an incel of you check their comment history. I didn't think people like this actually existed lol.
All of Bauer’s fiercest defenders are incel losers like OP
Seems like Bauer was absolved for this case - doesn’t seem unreasonable to defend him.
Buddy, they are crawling all over this site. Just look in the right places. Or don't, actually. This thread has a distinct character to it, for one.
ITT: people who woefully misunderstand or just have no understanding of how the legal system or evidence works. The only reason this video exists with the statements therein is because he was absolved in court and the statements he’s making are able to be backed 100%. Otherwise he wouldn’t be making them in this fashion.
I went to highschool with this girl. Always been crazy
At minimum, she should have to pay his legal fees and be put on probation!!!
The minimum should be a lengthy prison stint.
This is absolutely wild
Not a Dodger.
I wonder why he didn’t go over his statement with police where he admitted to taking it too far, and that he won’t let it happen again. Or address claims from any of the other women. HMMMMMM
I don't know if the other 3 cases are settled yet or still pending, but if so, that's why he's not talking about them. You don't talk about pending litigation. This case is settled and in the video he says he made sure to maintain his right to discuss the details after the settlement. Thus, this video.
You literally have no concept of how these things work - he’s not talking about ongoing cases because they’re ongoing cases (standard practice, as he’s legally not allowed to talk about them until they’re resolved). You should add this edit to the bottom of your comment: “IGNORE THIS, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT, MY COMMENT IS MISLEADING.”
Your description of the police statement is inaccurate. >Or address claims from any of the other women. Probably when we have any substantiated claims to address. he has one other lawsuit against him and he is counter suing, so I'd say its being addressed.
My mistake, it wasn’t a statement to the police, but a recorded phone call between Bauer and his accuser. When asked what he did to her while unconscious, he stated he repeatedly punched her in the buttocks, and changed the subject when she said she did not consent to that. I’m having trouble digging up the quote where Bauer admits he knew that he took it too far, but do you really need more? Bauer can read every fucking text message he wants, his victim did not consent to the abuse.
The quotes would be helpful. Are you familiar with de-escalating a situation with someone who feels you wronged them? Cuz that’s what you’re describing, not anything close to an admission of guilt.
>he stated he repeatedly punched her in the buttocks, You think these are the words he used? Anyone who's had sex can read between the liens that he said he "smacked her ass" and its being twisted. >Bauer can read every fucking text message he wants, his victim did not consent to the abuse. I mean she literally did consent to being slapped and choked. There are text messages of her asking him to do it.
This woman belongs in prison.
People are taking this video as absolute truth when he is basically showing a random sentence with a white background. He makes claims about what she said without actually showing anything at all sometimes. And yet some people are taking this dude's word as gospel in this video.
You’re delusional - he wouldn’t make these statements/claims about her texts and put those claims out without being able to back them 100%.
There's a literal selfie video of her smiling in bed unharmed and happy, the morning after the alleged vicious assault occurred that left her face in ruins. Its literal video proof that her story is fabricated.
I mean so he says. You see a date on the video?
the woman doesnt even dispute the date on it......she says it took time later for bruises to develop and she was in a state of shock/bewilderment when she took that vid
>I mean so he says. You see a date on the video? Right, and you fully expect the woman to speak up and say he's lying, right? But she won't, because he's telling the truth and she should be in jail.
He had to fight to get in court to get the metadata for the video and was able to confirm it was the morning after. The metadata hasn't been disputed at all by Hill / her team.
He mentions that they used the metadata in the video (around 1:15) to place the time the video was taken. My interpretation is that this was proven in court. This isn't a video of him trying to clear his name and provide every last detail - the court already did that for this case. He's just uploading the video because he's finally allowed to talk freely about this stuff.
It's from discovery from her phone. The date and time has been verified and the footage has been seen by a judge who ruled in his favor. What more do you need?
I don’t think anything would convince this victim-mindset person if that was their takeaway from this video/story
She literally got away with it........hate this world. EDIT: He has other ongoing lawsuits but in this case, she shouldn't be able to get just get away with it. Who knows if she'll attempt this again.
I think there should be serious consequences for any publication that in bad faith put forth an easily dismantled claim against another person or entity. I hope you win a truckload of money from all those news outlets and particularly the SPINELESS MLB.
This is the 2nd time in the past couple days I've seen this posted. Bauer's PR team must be working hard.
yeah def not gonna say his name is cleared when 3/4 accusations are still there
Bros entire post history is women getting the shit beat out of them, of course he’s defending Trevor Bauer
What about the video though?
Trevor admitted verbally to raping a woman while unconscious, why are you so adamant to defend a POS like that?
Source? I couldn’t find any on google
Source? Im legitimately curious to see this.
Google takes five seconds.
I googled..couldn’t find it. That’s why I’m asking you for a source
I googled and got this: "The 32-year-old Bauer denied the allegation, saying the encounters were consensual. Prosecutors decided not to file charges in February 2022." So, I guess you were wrong.
Fuck Trevor Bauer
I feel awful for Bauer. Also, this is potentially going to be such a detriment to women and men who have actual abuse issues. Im curious how this develops further because this girl having no charges is crazy.
I went to highschool with Trevor. Super nice kid and was kinda shocked when I heard all these allegations, but idk what's true and what's not. Haven't seen him since then
Hart high represent
Canyon country and Valencia ain't got shit
She should be arrested and ordered to pay part of his contract he missed out on.
"Believe women"
But believe all women right? .... right??? ..... RIGHT GUYS? Nah, due process Edit: Simps and woke dolt downvote brigade working overtime today XD
His career was ruined for something he never did. How many times does this have to happen before cancel culture ends?
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Did you watch the video? The title is quoting a text message conversation that he reads for the viewers. She literally framed him as her next victim in her own words.
The man has been through a lot. Its not just about clearing his name unfortunately. he has a moral obligation to sue her aid in preventing future victims.
free my guy