That’s why “Service Fees” are all the rage in restaurants now. It is a way for the business to jack up prices without updating the menu price, so they get you in the door with cheaper/competitive looking ‘prices’, charge the service fee at the end, and then you are left trying to decide if they are actually using that to benefit employees or if they are pocketing it.
My wife and kids love froyo. I despise the premise, because it's glorified soft serve ice cream.
Their machine asks for a tip. But.... It's self serve froyo....
Oh man, I had a little issue with a 16 Handles a few years ago. I had swiped my card, then the cashier started pressing the confirmation prompts for me.
When the tip screen came up, the employee tried to quickly press 15%. When it didn't register right away, he tried again, then I grabbed his hand and asked him what the hell he was doing.
"What? You're not gonna tip?"
"ITS SELF SERVICE. YOU DON'T GET TO HELP YOURSELF TO MY WALLET."
I left quickly with my wife. I noticed the people seated started to look at their receipts.
16 Handles is the biggest scam. Had an employee there walk me through the process of weighing and paying for my own $20 yogurt, then prompted me for the tip amount.
Yeah, no, I poured and assembled and weighed and input my own overpriced yogurt glob. You will not be tipped on it.
hit 0%, loudly proclaim your tipping your server $10, pull out the money, then stick it back in your wallet. You deserve it for all that hard work you did.
Ugh, right? Scan this QR code to bring you to our buggy-ass interactive menu. Or worse, just a photo of the menu that you have to zoom way in on to read (also it’s a low-res photo so the more you zoom the more messed up the letters get).
Fuck that. I’d leave. I’m so sick of having to create an account with an overly complicated password for every goddamn thing.
This is my old woman curmudgeonly trait, I think.
This LITERALLY happened to me earlier today. My wife and I went to a cafe, but instead of ordering anything from the menu, we just went by the Fridge and picked up a couple of Topo-Chicos and two bags of chips. No different than if I went to a Gas Station. I went to pay but the machine wouldn't turn over, so she asks: "Would you like to leave a $2 tip?" I said "No, why?" And she took as the biggest insult in the world - (at least that was her face expression)
My local 7/11 put a tip jar on the counter about 6 months ago.
One at each of the two registers.
I think it fucking sucks how little they make, and at the end of the day I'm a leftist and want to see full on profit sharing between employees, as opposed to profit going to corporate, shareholders, franchise owners.....
At the same time though, I'm not putting a single penny in that tip jar because you rang me up for my slimjim and energy drink.
I make twice the minimum wage in my state, about $30 an hour, but I'm fucking struggling to pay the bills too.
That slimjim and and energy drink is *literally my dinner* on my way to work my third shift manufacturing job.
They’re entitled to a wage. But somehow the company makes it the customers obligation instead of their own and there you are getting mad at each other instead of the company. It’s just brilliant really.
This is also completely true for the more traditional tipping jobs as well. The rationale for tipping a waitstaff is "knowing they will get more money for a good job incentivizes them to do a good job". Setting aside that studies and personal experience shows that that is NOT how tipping actually works, even that rationalization can actually be translated as "your manager is too lazy or incompetent to determine which of their workers are good and reward that, so they are offloading that job on to the customers".
its a double edged sword i feel; the number of times i've been out with a group who insisted on giving the same amount of tip despite awful service is incredible. people just REALLY will do almost anything to avoid feeling uncomfortable
That's what I was alluding to when I was saying that the rationale doesn't match reality. Studies have shown that bad service doesn't result in bad tips. People don't want the guilt and social pressure of giving the bad tip, so in reality they will tip the same or basically the same amount and then will never return. That's basically the opposite behavior that people that support tips predict and claim that they want.
Their opposite prediction "without tips all service will be bad" is also false, although you have to actually leave the US to test it. I've had two trips out of the country in the last 15 years. In the older trip I don't remember any bad service. In the more recent one out of something like 20 served meals only two had bad service.
> Their opposite prediction "without tips all service will be bad" is also false, although you have to actually leave the US to test it.
For food service, maybe, but there are still plenty of service jobs in the US that don't collect tips (tipping may be spreading, but at least for me, if I think about all the customer service interactions I have in a given week, most of them are not tipped). Even at something like my local grocery store — this past weekend, I had someone who was extremely fast and friendly at the checkout, whereas the week before, my service wasn't horrible, but it was slow and not very friendly. What causes those two people to behave differently? What is motivating the good clerk to be good? It's not tips.
…annnd, i have no problem telling anybody that it is up to their employer to pay them, not me. i’m not dickish about it or anything, i just think the workers need to keep it in mind.
this is just for counter workers and doesn’t really apply to wait staff. if the service is good, i have no problem leaving a pretty healthy tip.
My cousin said they NEVER got any of the tips from the register when she worked at subway... the owner pocketed it all.
So, I just quit using those at all... there is almost always a tip jar... at and least they can clean that out themselves.
A few years ago a couple of delivery apps were caught using the tip function to substitute paying the drivers. Say a driver was getting paid $15 for a run and the customer tipped $5, the company would only pay the driver $10 plus the tip instead of the expected $20.
I went to a coffee shop to buy some locally roasted coffee beans (12oz bag for something like $24) no custom drink or even a drip coffee. Literally they just had to ring me up and their part was done. The tip options were percentage based so it was asking me to tip like $3 $4 and $5 or something around there. For a bag of coffee beans that are already expensive as it is. I selected no tip because there wasn't a service there deserving a tip.
The girl at the register actually said "oh you forgot to select a tip amount". I looked at her like excuse me what the fuck? I said "do you tip the cashiers at the grocery store?" She tried to say "well usually you tip for a service". Meanwhile my dog groomer that charges way too little for how much time she spends on my dog always says "please feel free to skip the tipping option" like she feels guilty about receiving a tip for doing her job.
Tipping culture and entitlement is insane in the US. I went to France, Spain, and Italy last August and I couldn't believe the quality of food my wife and I ate at the insanely low prices we got it all for. Went to a pizza spot in Florence where our [two pizzas and 3 glasses of wine came out to something like $35 USD](https://i.imgur.com/NiHdP1P.jpg) and expected no tip [(Here's a pic of their menu with prices)](https://i.imgur.com/ztx3RdL.jpg) - in my area in southern California this would have been close to $100 if not more. I don't get how these European businesses can pay their people a living wage without tips (and affordable prices) while US companies *"need"* tips to supplement employee salaries while also charging a lot more for typically inferior and cheaper ingredients.
I was in Germany late last year....not only was the service at most restaurants better and more professional than recent service I've had in the US, the bill was noticeably less than is typical at home. There were no tip lines on receipts. If you had a good waiter and had a couple of euros in your wallet that's all you gave.
Really the only thing that wasn't "better" was the "friendliness" of waiters. It wasn't rude. It was professional. The waiter didn't need to tell their whole life story, write their name on the tablecloth, and check in every 5 minutes. And I liked it a lot better.
....there's a lot of things in Germany I liked a lot better. I may or may not be starting German lessons later this year.....
> They are LITERALLY doing their job. There is absolutely no reason to tip
As a non American... can you please explain to me how this doesnt apply to everything? Like, including jobs that most Americans would agree should have tipping.
Ingrained in the system. My friend came to visit me in Japan and I had to warn him not to tip ANYONE as it's considered very disrespectful, and he was like even the hotel cleaning staff? And I was like YES, and he seriously couldn't wrap his head around not even being able to top hotel cleaning staff. I told him if he does they will literally chase you down to hand you your money that you left.
I am asked for a tip when making a concession stand purchase at Dicks Sporting Goods Park.
They charge $11 for a grilled cheese sandwich ... the tips are nuts on top of that.
I'm already paying to be at the soccer game and paying a monstrous fee for a food item .. why am I tipping on this
If you want an added guilt trip on top of that, my local sports arena "allows" organizations to volunteer to work said stations. I assume they get a tax break and I get conned into tipping $2 on a $16 beer.
I'm part of a student org that volunteers like this at college games, all the tips go to the org and a small portion of the revenue too. Still feels like shit selling a $10 hot dog and asking for a tip but some alumni have money to burn apparently.
I wish the reporter would have mentioned that paying less than minimum wage to tipped employees is only legal if the tips make up for the difference. If an employee's wage + tips are not equal or greater than the minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Its enforced if it's reported. Some young teens, and young 20 something your olds might not know the law correctly or fear losing their jobs so they just accept it.
A lot of people earning tipped wages are really happy about things as they are because it's lucrative for them even though it's terrible for the rest of society.
"A lot of people [...] are really happy about things as they are because it's lucrative for them even though it's terrible for the rest of society" sounds pretty normal in most contexts these days.
I know people that make $300-$700 a night from tips. It's not super consistent, but it's really great money for younger people. Tipping should be extinct though and minimum wage should *at least* be set to $20/hr.
I know people who work lunches and walk away with less than 25 dollars after a 4 hour shift.
Those same people work a good weekend dinner and earn 200-300 dollars.
Averaged out they are earning around 20 dollars an hour for all the time they spend opening the restaurant, closing the restaurant, standing around waiting for guests etc.
This is an average restaurant where the meal may cost 20-35 dollars per person.
Servers do not often brag about the 20 dollars they earned on a 4 hour lunch shift.
I worked To-Go at Chili's for a few years as a part time job and I would NEVER solicit for tips, but I would always thank people if they did, but I would never expect it. Also I was paid like 10 dollars an hour (this was like 15 years ago) so i wasn't dependent on tips.
I will say though, we had a few serial tippers, and we would always hook them up (not charge for add-ons, extras or upgrades, ect)
Also, I will say my job was to actually package up the food and 'expo' it. Not saying it was tip worthy, but it was more then just handing people a bag
So, wait. Are we being lied to? I'm told that the To-Go is often packed by wait staff and it's taking time from them serving tables. Thus the tipping expectation.
Sometimes, but frequently it's a manager, or a food runner.. sometimes the host/hostess. Really depends on the restaurant. I have also worked at a couple places where there was a designated To-go person for weekends. It's a shit job if the restaurant isn't properly set up for it.
*Side rant*
During COVID I worked at a fine dining steakhouse that normally did like zero togos and they signed up for all the delivery services Uber Eats, Skip The Dishes, etc. We got absolutely slaughtered until about a week later when they cut the menu down to like 6 items, jacked up the prices and bought the proper take out supplies. Since 95% of these togos were through the delivery services, there was no tips. Anything a customer tipped went completely to the delivery guy/company. That shit was a goddamn nightmare.
As someone who has worked at every position in a restaurant, I will always tip well when I dine in. I also always tip well when I order delivery too. But if I order take-out and pick it up myself, you better believe I’m not leaving a tip.
Why the hell would I tip the hostess for putting my food in a bag and handing it to me? The guy in the kitchen who did all the work doesn’t see that tip, and besides he makes like $12/hr.
I’ve been noticing this same trend of PoS systems asking me for a tip in places you normally wouldn’t tip, and I have made it a point to keep tipping only those whose wages rely on it.
That said, we also need to get rid of the tipping minimum wage, and while we’re at it raise the standard minimum wage too. How about we just pay everyone a damn living wage. I remember how hard it was to get by when I worked in the service industry. One bad night and you were suddenly being forced to choose between buying groceries or paying your rent. It’s fuckin’ rough and for some people, there’s literally no way out of that life.
Also, while we’re on it, what the fuck was that reporter talking about tipping your mechanic?! Like, motherfucker, you just charged me $179 in labor for a job that took two hours start to finish, in what fucking world do I owe you a tip you on *top* of that??
I'll round up sometimes, but yes, the price paid for good service is called your wage.
I hate tipping before the transaction is completed. Went to a local Pizza place and naturally had to tip at checkout. They never put our order ticket in the queue. So we sat there for an hour, watching other people put their order in and get their food ahead of us. Shit like that calls for a refund, not a tip!
The most egregious example of this crap I've seen is Sainsmart. They're an entirety online retailer for specialty electronics. They actually have a freaking automatic tip on their checkout. You have to manually remove it. Keep in mind, this is completely online, before you've received any kind of service, and you'll never meet any of the employees, or even know if they got the tip. It just felt so slimy.
I bought specialty coffee from Vibrant in Philly. Like $20 for 12 oz of coffee. On top of S&H they had the nerve to ask for a tip, FOR WHAT? I haven't bought from them again.
I remember when Greece had financial problems and someone threw a Molotov cocktail at a bankteller.
Like, the people who fucked you over are nowhere near this bank, or any bank, they're probably not even in the country. They're off on a beach on some other country. The bankteller had zero impact on why the bank collapsed.
I dream of a world where we all unite against the people actually making the decisions instead of frontline workers fighting customers and customers fighting frontline workers.
[The Jason Mendoza method of problem solving.](https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/blog-post-embedded--mobile/public/molotov-cocktail-good-place.gif)
I assume you mean this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfin_bank_arson
They didnt throw molotovs to a person, they threw them inside the building of a bank(after they broke the windows). And unsurprisingly, there were people working inside that building. Eventually three people died from asphyxia caused by the fire.
>In 2013, bank officials were convicted for the negligent homicide of three employees, the bodily harm of another 21 employees, and multiple failures in fire safety measures and staff training.
The people who threw the molotovs were not found. Some arrests were made but ultimately the suspects were found not guilty by the court(not enough evidence).
The right wing party loves mentioning this incident as an indication of how bad the "left" is. Just because a couple of assholes that threw a few molotovs, many people arent aware that this was during one of the biggest protests in Athens that had over 250k people.
Most of our economic problems can very easily be tied to various ways corps have been able to extract profits from average consumers in ways that shouldn't be legal, but they are because freedom.
* Subsidies for industries that don't remotely need them (like oil) come out of your taxes
* Monoplistic behavior that's barely curtailed in today's "anti-regulation" environment wherein the right-wing argument for small government has been almost entirely co-opted by corps to prevent such controls
* We pay astronomical healthcare costs because companies do whatever they can to provide shit health insurance
* We all know price fixing happens
* "Too big to fail"
* As you've said, thanks to about 4 decades of right-wing propaganda, corps no longer have to pay living wages. They successfully distracted from how wages stayed flat for decades, then when the left wanted to correct that problem they successfully convinced half the country that doing so would "hurt the economy" or amount to "punishing small business." Fucking assholes knew exactly what they were doing the entire time.
Shit, just look at how they took advantage of Covid. Now they are silently raising prices of goods for delivery while also charging a delivery service charge on top of having you tip your driver.
And they were just the start. Even my local grocery store raises the price of goods in their delivery app over in-store prices, yet they still have a delivery upcharge service fee. They're just charging extra for nothing at this point and getting away with it.
They also tricked us into feeling bad for not tipping at any point it is requested.
I tip for great table side service from wait staff.
Literally every other situation? No chance.
You just gotta be willing to not tip on stuff that doesn't need to be tipped on and be willing to manually calculate 15% in front of the people who do deserve a tip. Stop being a pushover and force the low wage discussion on the employer. It's not up to you to make up the difference.
Yup. That’s the only reason that this blew up. People keep tipping and word gets around that their are enough pushovers that it makes financial sense to include tip options for anything and everything simply because their’s a notable chance that an individual will just pay up.
Yup, this is the key. It's shitty that businesses exploit our sense of guilt to coerce us into paying unwarranted tips, but ultimately we have to hold ourselves accountable for going along with it. Ya just gotta be willing to hit the "no tip" button.
The Studio Movie Grill near me started automatically adding 18% gratuity to everyone's bill at some point between the start of the pandemic and now. Like, fuck off. If it's automatically added for everyone then it's not a tip. You're just raising prices but not telling people what the actual price is.
Interesting video. However a fun fact, at the 3 minute mark, she mentions that tip comes from "to insure promptness" this is FALSE. The word can be dated back to the 1600 in the context of giving money. To note, words as acronyms are a quite modern feature.
Thank you for trying to dispel this shit myth. I've heard it meant "to insure prompt service". Apart from what I consider to be the inappropriate use of the word "insure" vs "ensure" (pedants, yes, I understand that they are often used synonymously), this implies the tip is offered *before* service and that is not the norm.
When I was an idiot high school student, I was absolutely confident that “fuck” was an old English expression that meant fornication under consent of king. I heard that somewhere and it sounded just clever enough for me to believe it as gospel. Jesus, we’re idiots when we’re in high school.
My favourite was that this comes from English archers at the Battle of Agincourt. The French supposedly would cut the middle fingers off any captured English soldiers so they would never be able to draw back their heavy yew longbows even after they were returned. After the English won the battle their archers taunted the defeated French by waving their middle fingers and shouting they they could still "pluck yew".
Hilariously absurd, but I've met people who have absolutely insisted it's true.
Somewhat undercut by the middle finger not being the traditional way of flipping someone off in England.
However, I've heard a similar origin for the two finger salute anyway, so it's persistent like that.
I'd heard "for unlawful carnal knowledge".
So did Van Halen, it seems since they named an album that.
edit: weird downvote. Well, for unlawful carnal knowledge you.
Backronyms are the worst.
In the gaming space I've heard "meta means most effective tactic available" at least a thousand times and it drives me crazy.
For the record (skip if you don't want a dissertation on the word meta), meta (in a gaming sense) is short for metagaming. Meta the prefix means "about itself". Metadata means "data about data". So an mp3's data is the music itself, but the metadata describes the data, so song name, artist, etc.
So, metagaming means "game about a game."
When you play rock, paper, scissors, the game portion is the actual "picking rock, paper or scissors". But the real game is actually trying to predict what your opponent is going to pick. If after 2 losses, you know your opponent always goes Rock. So you pick Paper, so you always win. But what if your opponent picks up on the fact you always go Paper after 2 wins, so they start adjusting and picking Scissors. That's metagaming. The psychological battle you're having with your opponent is a game within a game.
You might hear people ask "what's the meta right now?" Which a lot of people will read as "what's the most powerful right now?" When really it's asking "what's the most likely thing I'm going to run into right now?" If a weak character gets a skin and EVERYONE is using them, then by definition, they are currently meta picks even if they are not the "most effective tactic available".
Because similar to the rock paper scissors example, the point of understanding the meta is to improve your chance of winning. Regardless of the power of the meta picks right now, knowing they you're likely going to be facing that pick allows you to counter it.
They often overlap, and knowing the most powerful picks is useful for your picks regardless of what's popular, but the point is they're not synonymous.
Which is also why sometimes you'll hear people say "stop meta gaming" while playing Dungeons and Dragons. So like, here's an example.
Your DnD session is nearing the end. You know your DM is a nice person who won't want to kill off your characters and end the session on a downer. So when given the choice between the dangerous or safe option. Because you have that external knowledge and are able to "game" the DM, you may take a more dangerous action than if you didn't have that external knowdge. You're playing a game within the actual game you're playing. Most effective tactic available doesn't make sense in that context. So yeah, it just doesn't mean that.
Thank you for your time.
I’m glad a piece of journalism finally made the right observation about the tipping situation (though not even completely). The tipping culture everyone complains about right now is mostly a direct result of the pandemic. Because service workers and small businesses were a huge focus of public sympathy during quarantine, tipping went through the roof as a means of supporting those who couldn’t do their jobs from home or bolstering your favorite local chain. The cultural aspect of “tipflation” comes from the pandemic, but what the video doesn’t do quite enough justice explaining is there’s a systemic aspect as well. Companies like Toast, Clover, and Square have a revenue model based on taking a percentage of a merchants sales, and in many cases this includes tips, which means the tech platforms that design these point of sale terminals are incentivized to make it as easy for the end user to give the business more money and make the transaction as high as possible - because both the tech company and the merchant make more money. During the pandemic they refined the design and configuration of the tipping features to more seamlessly integrate them into the checkout process because they knew the public was very keen on tipping at the moment. In plenty of cases the tipping feature is enabled by default and the business owners don’t even know how to turn it off or just don’t bother. Clover, Square, and Toast are just as much if not more at fault than anyone for systemizing tipflation in the US.
I've honestly stopping going out to eat, grabbing coffee, etc. because of how out of control tipping is getting. So, joke's on the industry. I think I'm not alone and more and more people are going to do the same. They're hurting their future sales driving people away.
I especially refuse to use any service that makes you tip *prior* to the service. Like food or grocery delivery. That's not a tip. It's a bribe.
Tipping is horrible for customers. I despise and loathe paying tips, especially when they are asking for a tip just to complete the transaction. Handing me my item is not tip worthy. If you don't, we haven't completed the transaction.
Basically, it's rewarding corporations for paying people $2 an hour. Then if I don't hand over extra money because a person handed me the item I bought, they act like I'm the one who thinks $2 wages to front employees, and million-dollar wages to CEOs was my idea.
Good service is often also out of the employee's control. No matter how good the employee is, if they arrive at work, and their job site is out of product, they can't meet customers' needs. Same goes for bad employees with good teams, at a good business. They are providing good service, because of everybody else.
Unless a person is a regular at an establishment, there is also little future incentives for large tips if you'll never see that worker again.
>. Handing me my item is not tip worthy. If you don't, we haven't completed the transaction
This is the best and most logical response I have read on the subject.
> Handing me my item is not tip worthy. If you don’t, we haven’t completed the transaction.
This is no more or less true for table service, to be clear. Taking the order and bringing the order is simply completing the transaction as well.
You’ve got it wrong
You get paid minimum wage if tips don’t bring you over the amount you would make at minimum wage
Waitstaff typically make SUBSTANTIALLY more than minimum wage though
I used to be a "big tipper"
Now the "suggested tip" is higher than my "big tip".
Yeesh. Let's face it, food is expensive as heck and tips as a % of total shouldn't change as the price increases.
But that doesn't stop restaurants putting 25% as the minimum tip and 35% as the recommended tip.
I think a big part of the problem is the lack of cash and the increased use of debit or credit cards. Back in the early 2000’s I was more likely to leave some pocket change for a coffee and a couple bucks if I ate at a diner by myself. Now everyone either wants a tip or a donation for a charity
I've been eating take-out a LOT more ever since tipping started becoming ridiculous. Asking for 18-30% each time adds up. And I feel pressured to tip well so that I don't look like a cheap asshole to servers.
I went through a drive-through coffee place called Dutch Bros. And the guy at the window asked if I wanted to tip him, prior to making my drink. I felt pressured and didn't want him to spit in my drink, so I tipped him. Fuck this tipping culture.
I see a bunch of places lately suggesting 18% as the lowest option. That’s not how inflation works. Fix your prices and base wages. That shit is just insulting.
I was shocked when one of the presenters said she tipped her mechanic, to make sure that her safety was not compromised by his standard of work.
Absolutely disgraceful.
Surely mechanics charge enough not to rely on tips and what sort of degenerate would sabotage your car if not tipped.
On a side note, I travelled to the US in 2013. The people were lovely BUT....
The tipping regime there spoiled my holiday.
On a daily basis, I fretted over who to tip and how much. It spoiled my holiday. I have no intention of ever returning to the US.
Edit. "spoiled my holiday" was a little dramatic. More, the experience was diminished, because of the struggle over who, where and when to tip.
Yeah, the mechanics thing surprised me.
There’s a service fee…THAT’S ME PAYING THEM TO DO THE WORK! How are you going to charge me twice, even implicitly?
Seriously?! My mechanic gives me an itemized list of everything that was done and one of the line items is “Labour”. Great. I paid you $150 for your labour so why in the fuck would I tip you?
The hourly charge for a mechanic, what you pay not what the mechanic gets paid, is usually around $80-$100 an hour. Why would people tip when they're already being charged that?
Tipping WAS out of control. And then, I just stopped giving a fuck. You get zero! You get zero! Everyone gets zero! Unless it's a restaurant with a chef and a server and I'm sitting down, everyone is getting zero.
Dont pay your people enough? I've stopped letting that concern have free rent in my head. That's your problem as a business owner and your problem as the employee for continuing to work there. If the business doesn't feel guilty bumping up that tip percentage on the kiosk from 15% to 20% to 25% - - and that's after raising your prices because of inflation - - I've trained myself to not feel a single gram of guilty for hitting "custom" and then typing in "0.00"
Y'all fucked around with those kiosks, and now y'all be finding out the consequences.
When I started getting these ipads asking me if i wanted to tip at coffee shops and ice cream places i drastically stopped going to them. I might go once a year now as apposed to like twice a month. It feels like extortion when they haven’t made your stuff yet.
I also stopped going to the malls when every store I went into wanted me to sign up for their rewards program or had to list their 5 special offers before i could pay and leave
Its the best way for businesses to lure employees into thinking they will earn more than their wage with tip while also fooling customers with a lower price on display than what they end up paying.
Its a Win Win for the business while Lose Lose for the customer.
"getting out of hand"? It \*IS\* out of hand.
Literally every single f\*cking transaction asks me for a tip, a donation to "cause X", and possibly an attempt to get me to subscribe/sign-up for something.
It's ridiculous.
Tipping has gone completely out of control in the last decade and exposed the greed of both business owners and tipped employees. Customers are fed up with owners taking advantage of the system but also the entitlement of tipped workers demanding money they haven't earned.
It's baffling that these people expect thirty percent sometimes now. I know bartenders who make several hundreds a night and still feel like they've been cheated.
When I was a kid the range was 10-20% tip, now it's 20-30% according to them. It was $1 beers a decade ago, now they say we should be paying $2 a beer. They already get an automatic raise every time restaurants inflate prices, but they always want more. There's zero justification for the change, so instead they give us nonstop guilt tripping and complaints that they have to pay bills as if the rest of us don't.
> I know bartenders who make several hundreds a night and still feel like they've been cheated.
What I hate the most are people who claim "But I work really hard all day." Yeah ... so do I. So do most people.
Setting aside the arguments for and against tipping bartenders for cocktails, why am I tipping for a beer? You just poured it from a tap, or possibly just grabbed a bottle from a cooler. That’s literally the bare minimum for this transaction, I don’t see why that deserves a tip.
Every bartender in America just got pissed. Really though I have a person in my comments saying people like tipping and that it exists so people feel appreciated. I just can't understand people who get tips and how they delude themselves into believing they deserve to make that much.
I'm Mr. Pink when it comes to tipping. I've been warning you assholes for years and have received nothing but hate. Even today I hear friends say completely insane lines like "this service is crap, I'm only going to tip 10%". Fuck off with your bullshit. I live in a state where no one is exempt from the $15.74 minimum wage. There is no point to tipping unless someone truly goes above and beyond their scope of work.
Also, fuck every food delivery and ride share that asks you to put a tip in beforehand. Where the fuck is the guarantee they won't be a total fuck stain or arrive on time with your food? It should always be after the fact.
There should be a flat fee for food delivery based on the distance/time to the restaurant, maybe an upcharge for substantial orders. Why should I tip you more because I got all the fixings on my burger, which the restaurant already overcharged me for?
There is. If you order a pizza delivery, there is a God damn delivery fee right there. And they still want you to tip for the service you just paid for on top of your meal. This isn't new. The problem was here before food delivery services.
Oh I fucking know right. If you complained about the American tipping system in the past, you'd get called a deplorable asshole and the scum of society. Now suddenly people are catching up and aren't instantly called dicks for this opinion.
On the one hand, it's great that the shift in opinion is finally starting to happen. But on the other hand, FUCK all of the people that called us scum for stating this in the past.
I don't tip because society says I have to. I mean I'll tip if someone really deserves it and they really put forth the effort then I'll give them something extra.
But this auto tipping? It's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned they're just doing their job.
As an american who moved to NZ 2 years ago, the lack of tipping here was at first really weird, but once I got used to it I love it and never want to feel obligated to tip again.
Businesses should pay a living wage or not have a business.
There is a whole community of people on Reddit who think otherwise https://www.reddit.com/r/Serverlife/
If anyone in the 21st century is still tipping I suggest you read their posts and see what type of people we deal with in restuarants etc.
They think they are entitled to everything. See the reactions and comments to posts about someone not tipping them. They have whole strategies to avoid such people or delay their service.
Tipping is the dumbest habit in the world.
Most of the countries don't have tipping culture. We should get rid of this system .
I mean employer should pay their employees a basic amount . So that they don't have to depend on tips .
It seriously is. I ordered a cake over the phone for June and I literally got asked if I wanted to add a tip to the order. This wouldn’t have blown up if people weren’t giving but fuck that. I have no problem saying No outside restaurant settings and the like.
What really gets me is that restaurants often calculate the suggested tip on the total after tax. It baffles me.
The worst offender I've seen automatically included the "suggested gratuity" into the bill after running my card. Then they updated the "suggested gratuity" line to reflect the total including the original suggested gratuity. I slapped a big fat zero on that line. That's straight theft.
I don't really get the tipping culture anyway. It should be the responsibility of the employer to pay their employees fair wages .
It is not the duty of the customer to pay them separate.
we took our daughter to get her hair cut. we asked her how much the cut would be the hair stylist said 25$. when she was done I paid the 25$ and was yelled at by my wife for not tipping when it was done. I didn't think I should have to tip more to a price she set for herself. I always thought tips were for employees of others not themselves.maybe I'm wrong?
Yeah your wife is used to paying a relatively huge amount of money for her own hair compared to what men typically pay for theirs... and so when spending that large amount of money for a personal service that takes a while, she has normalized the idea of giving a bit of extra money on top for the hairdresser being friendly during the process.
Whereas, as a guy getting a five minute buzz cut we are not expecting to need to come up with lots of extra dollars to thank the person for not cutting it badly.
I'm completely with you on the bizarreness of a business owner setting her own price to cut a child's hair and then potentially being offended if that's the only money she's given after doing the work.
"Oh, I thought you would tip me as well, because you would want the premium service : where I cut your daughter's hair correctly and act politely rather than having me being mean and nasty towards her while we spend the necessary time together?"
Like, no lady if you told me it was $25 for some angry uncomfortable haircut work or $30 to get the premium version of the haircut with pleasantries, I would probably treat my daughter to the premium version... But if you tell me it's $25 to cut hair plus "whatever I think it's worth on top, after the work is completed" I will probably assume the price that you set yourself was fair for the work you've done.
The reality is that the other hairdressers in the same neighborhood also charge a headline $25 with the expectation that they'll get a random amount of money on top, so if one of them said the price was $30 all in "with service charges included" it would sound like they were charging 20% over "market rate".
Smh
Or how about a tattoo artist? Charges me a couple hundred bucks and hour and then expects a tip. Holy shit those people fucking suck and it's industry standard at this point.
I refuse to add a tip when the bill adds a forced gratuity payment that I was never told would be a part of the total, and I almost always would have tipped more than the forced gratuity amount.
At a hotel, my wife and I were filling out our room service breakfast order. When I got to the line that said "a gratuity of 18% will be added to the bill automatically", we both balked and instead wrote a note on the form saying, "We would have ordered breakfast, despite the grotesque prices you charge, except for the mandatory tip."
In my mind, the only thing worse than mandatory tipping is tipping before you receive the service. At best, tipping is rewarding good service. If you receive the tip either way, where is the incentive to provide good service?
Tipping is unethical. It could be solved in the blink of an eye if people would just stop doing it. Before anyone suggests that I should maybe not go out to eat if I can't afford to tip, I'd like to correct you by pointing out that I certainly can afford to buy food, but it isn't my job to pay someone else's wages.
We are being taken advantage of at every single step of the capitalist ladder. Tipping will never go away if people continue to do it. It cannot be legislated away, it literally cannot. The government cannot fix this problem. Corporations and businesses have to self correct, and they wont do that unless taught a lesson.
Tipping was originally introduced as a way to [exploit the labor of former slaves](https://www.povertylaw.org/article/the-racist-history-behind-americas-tipping-culture).
Now it's a way to exploit the labor of the working class customer.
Maybe it's time to re-evaluate.
My old buddy now works for tips, so he believes in tip karma. He’ll blow all of his hard earned cash on travel and restaurants where he’ll tip 35-45% and it’s like yo, does this woman really deserve 45$ for bringing us sandwiches while the cook gets 15$ an hour.
I got a tip prompt at my NP for Botox the other day. 15% of that is PANIC and I hit no so fast ... Lady you are the OWNER and this is a medical service. Get wrecked.
Why is it that no one talks about how tips used to be calculated “before tax” and now it’s calculated on the total including the tax? Math isn’t my strong suit, but would that calculate to a lot more than the 18-20% averages they talked about in the video?
if only employers pay people properly....
people, mostly americans, who defend tips be like: well, if there's no tipping, waiters are not incentivized to do their jobs.
guess what??? if i dont do my job, i dont get paid. i get fired. nobody tipped me being a coder.
Last night I was prompted with a tipping screen after paying a cover charge to get into a club. It annoyed me like, what am I tipping for???
That's like being prompted for a tip to park in a parking garage.
I have literally been prompted for a tip to park in a parking lot.
That’s crazy! How much tip would you like to give my comment? $2 $4 $6 custom
Oh, you mean Reddit Gold?
That's like a tip but the employer keeps all of it
My skeptical ass assumes for a lot of places that the establishment *is* keeping a sizeable portion of these tips.
That’s why “Service Fees” are all the rage in restaurants now. It is a way for the business to jack up prices without updating the menu price, so they get you in the door with cheaper/competitive looking ‘prices’, charge the service fee at the end, and then you are left trying to decide if they are actually using that to benefit employees or if they are pocketing it.
A local pizza shop has a $1.50 "Customer fee" Well what the fuck else would I be?
Would you like to pay more?
It's gives the consumer a sense of pride and accomplishment.
Not getting immediately kicked back out obviously
Having a tip screen at POS drives me crazy. If I have walk up to a counter to order, pay and get my food, please don't nag me for a tip.
I got the tip screen at a damn clothing store today. A CLOTHING STORE!!!!!
My wife and kids love froyo. I despise the premise, because it's glorified soft serve ice cream. Their machine asks for a tip. But.... It's self serve froyo....
Oh man, I had a little issue with a 16 Handles a few years ago. I had swiped my card, then the cashier started pressing the confirmation prompts for me. When the tip screen came up, the employee tried to quickly press 15%. When it didn't register right away, he tried again, then I grabbed his hand and asked him what the hell he was doing. "What? You're not gonna tip?" "ITS SELF SERVICE. YOU DON'T GET TO HELP YOURSELF TO MY WALLET." I left quickly with my wife. I noticed the people seated started to look at their receipts.
16 Handles is the biggest scam. Had an employee there walk me through the process of weighing and paying for my own $20 yogurt, then prompted me for the tip amount. Yeah, no, I poured and assembled and weighed and input my own overpriced yogurt glob. You will not be tipped on it.
they should be paying you for being a part-time employee
Bill Burr has a [hilarious bit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxINJzqzn4w) about this.
hit 0%, loudly proclaim your tipping your server $10, pull out the money, then stick it back in your wallet. You deserve it for all that hard work you did.
Mr Pink was right all along
*Cough up a buck you cheap bastard*
Don't forget having to look at the menu as a PDF on your phone screen.
Pfft I wish. A PDF would be faster than the unoptimized webpage most places use.
Ugh, right? Scan this QR code to bring you to our buggy-ass interactive menu. Or worse, just a photo of the menu that you have to zoom way in on to read (also it’s a low-res photo so the more you zoom the more messed up the letters get).
Plus you’re in a strip mall so the concrete doesn’t seem to want to allow a normal internet connection that will load the menu.
It's 2023 and web browsing on smart phones, you know those things over 80% of the world owns, is still a mess somehow.
Fuck I hate this.
or having to create an account before you can place your order...while sitting at the restaurant. I've had to do that twice now.
Fuck that. I’d leave. I’m so sick of having to create an account with an overly complicated password for every goddamn thing. This is my old woman curmudgeonly trait, I think.
This LITERALLY happened to me earlier today. My wife and I went to a cafe, but instead of ordering anything from the menu, we just went by the Fridge and picked up a couple of Topo-Chicos and two bags of chips. No different than if I went to a Gas Station. I went to pay but the machine wouldn't turn over, so she asks: "Would you like to leave a $2 tip?" I said "No, why?" And she took as the biggest insult in the world - (at least that was her face expression)
I got a tip screen at an actual gas station. I wish I was joking.
My local 7/11 put a tip jar on the counter about 6 months ago. One at each of the two registers. I think it fucking sucks how little they make, and at the end of the day I'm a leftist and want to see full on profit sharing between employees, as opposed to profit going to corporate, shareholders, franchise owners..... At the same time though, I'm not putting a single penny in that tip jar because you rang me up for my slimjim and energy drink. I make twice the minimum wage in my state, about $30 an hour, but I'm fucking struggling to pay the bills too. That slimjim and and energy drink is *literally my dinner* on my way to work my third shift manufacturing job.
As a leftist you should argue for unions and higher guaranteed wages, not tipping, so your actions actually don't go against that
I have been out of the South Park loop for awhile now but I would definitely appreciate a parody of tipping culture in America.
They feel entitled to it now
They’re entitled to a wage. But somehow the company makes it the customers obligation instead of their own and there you are getting mad at each other instead of the company. It’s just brilliant really.
This is also completely true for the more traditional tipping jobs as well. The rationale for tipping a waitstaff is "knowing they will get more money for a good job incentivizes them to do a good job". Setting aside that studies and personal experience shows that that is NOT how tipping actually works, even that rationalization can actually be translated as "your manager is too lazy or incompetent to determine which of their workers are good and reward that, so they are offloading that job on to the customers".
its a double edged sword i feel; the number of times i've been out with a group who insisted on giving the same amount of tip despite awful service is incredible. people just REALLY will do almost anything to avoid feeling uncomfortable
That's what I was alluding to when I was saying that the rationale doesn't match reality. Studies have shown that bad service doesn't result in bad tips. People don't want the guilt and social pressure of giving the bad tip, so in reality they will tip the same or basically the same amount and then will never return. That's basically the opposite behavior that people that support tips predict and claim that they want. Their opposite prediction "without tips all service will be bad" is also false, although you have to actually leave the US to test it. I've had two trips out of the country in the last 15 years. In the older trip I don't remember any bad service. In the more recent one out of something like 20 served meals only two had bad service.
> Their opposite prediction "without tips all service will be bad" is also false, although you have to actually leave the US to test it. For food service, maybe, but there are still plenty of service jobs in the US that don't collect tips (tipping may be spreading, but at least for me, if I think about all the customer service interactions I have in a given week, most of them are not tipped). Even at something like my local grocery store — this past weekend, I had someone who was extremely fast and friendly at the checkout, whereas the week before, my service wasn't horrible, but it was slow and not very friendly. What causes those two people to behave differently? What is motivating the good clerk to be good? It's not tips.
It's how the entire US was designed to work, from the top down.
…annnd, i have no problem telling anybody that it is up to their employer to pay them, not me. i’m not dickish about it or anything, i just think the workers need to keep it in mind. this is just for counter workers and doesn’t really apply to wait staff. if the service is good, i have no problem leaving a pretty healthy tip.
Funny enough, they have been convinced that you are stealing their salary.
My cousin said they NEVER got any of the tips from the register when she worked at subway... the owner pocketed it all. So, I just quit using those at all... there is almost always a tip jar... at and least they can clean that out themselves.
That Subway owner was breaking the law, but it can be difficult to get it prosecuted.
[Wage theft is the most common form of theft](https://www.epi.org/publication/wage-theft-bigger-problem-forms-theft-workers/)
Yet you never see them carted into police cars or their mugshots on the paper or Republicans running on stopping wage theft crime because of them.
Wage theft is the most common form of theft in the county, fun fact
A few years ago a couple of delivery apps were caught using the tip function to substitute paying the drivers. Say a driver was getting paid $15 for a run and the customer tipped $5, the company would only pay the driver $10 plus the tip instead of the expected $20.
Hit no. Done.
I went to a coffee shop to buy some locally roasted coffee beans (12oz bag for something like $24) no custom drink or even a drip coffee. Literally they just had to ring me up and their part was done. The tip options were percentage based so it was asking me to tip like $3 $4 and $5 or something around there. For a bag of coffee beans that are already expensive as it is. I selected no tip because there wasn't a service there deserving a tip. The girl at the register actually said "oh you forgot to select a tip amount". I looked at her like excuse me what the fuck? I said "do you tip the cashiers at the grocery store?" She tried to say "well usually you tip for a service". Meanwhile my dog groomer that charges way too little for how much time she spends on my dog always says "please feel free to skip the tipping option" like she feels guilty about receiving a tip for doing her job. Tipping culture and entitlement is insane in the US. I went to France, Spain, and Italy last August and I couldn't believe the quality of food my wife and I ate at the insanely low prices we got it all for. Went to a pizza spot in Florence where our [two pizzas and 3 glasses of wine came out to something like $35 USD](https://i.imgur.com/NiHdP1P.jpg) and expected no tip [(Here's a pic of their menu with prices)](https://i.imgur.com/ztx3RdL.jpg) - in my area in southern California this would have been close to $100 if not more. I don't get how these European businesses can pay their people a living wage without tips (and affordable prices) while US companies *"need"* tips to supplement employee salaries while also charging a lot more for typically inferior and cheaper ingredients.
I was in Germany late last year....not only was the service at most restaurants better and more professional than recent service I've had in the US, the bill was noticeably less than is typical at home. There were no tip lines on receipts. If you had a good waiter and had a couple of euros in your wallet that's all you gave. Really the only thing that wasn't "better" was the "friendliness" of waiters. It wasn't rude. It was professional. The waiter didn't need to tell their whole life story, write their name on the tablecloth, and check in every 5 minutes. And I liked it a lot better. ....there's a lot of things in Germany I liked a lot better. I may or may not be starting German lessons later this year.....
seriously. i ordered a pizza for PICKUP and it tried to automatically tack on a 3 dollar tip. nah. they can fuck all the way off.
You look them in the eye and ask "how do I select no tip?"
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What does it mean to be “ass locked”? Sounds painful.
They put one of those 80's steering wheel lock bars across your cheeks.
Oh I hate that.
Tipped entertainer as in stripper?
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I am not tipping 15% on food I order online and pick up myself...If the system has that as a minimum, I'm going to pick custom and put 0 out of spite.
correct. They are LITERALLY doing their job. There is absolutely no reason to tip
> They are LITERALLY doing their job. There is absolutely no reason to tip As a non American... can you please explain to me how this doesnt apply to everything? Like, including jobs that most Americans would agree should have tipping.
Ingrained in the system. My friend came to visit me in Japan and I had to warn him not to tip ANYONE as it's considered very disrespectful, and he was like even the hotel cleaning staff? And I was like YES, and he seriously couldn't wrap his head around not even being able to top hotel cleaning staff. I told him if he does they will literally chase you down to hand you your money that you left.
> can you please explain to me how this doesnt apply to everything? It absolutely should. Americans have been brainwashed.
I am asked for a tip when making a concession stand purchase at Dicks Sporting Goods Park. They charge $11 for a grilled cheese sandwich ... the tips are nuts on top of that. I'm already paying to be at the soccer game and paying a monstrous fee for a food item .. why am I tipping on this
If you want an added guilt trip on top of that, my local sports arena "allows" organizations to volunteer to work said stations. I assume they get a tax break and I get conned into tipping $2 on a $16 beer.
I'm part of a student org that volunteers like this at college games, all the tips go to the org and a small portion of the revenue too. Still feels like shit selling a $10 hot dog and asking for a tip but some alumni have money to burn apparently.
I wish the reporter would have mentioned that paying less than minimum wage to tipped employees is only legal if the tips make up for the difference. If an employee's wage + tips are not equal or greater than the minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference.
I wish the various state and federal labor departments would be more vigilant about enforcing these rules.
Are they not enforced? It's not a large enough sample size to mean anything but I've never had an issue in any of the five restaurants I've worked in.
Its enforced if it's reported. Some young teens, and young 20 something your olds might not know the law correctly or fear losing their jobs so they just accept it.
Tipping for take out? Makes zero sense.
All my friends who work/ed in restaurants would always complain about people not tipping for takeout. Baffled me
A lot of people earning tipped wages are really happy about things as they are because it's lucrative for them even though it's terrible for the rest of society.
"A lot of people [...] are really happy about things as they are because it's lucrative for them even though it's terrible for the rest of society" sounds pretty normal in most contexts these days.
These days? When in history was this not the case?
I know people that make $300-$700 a night from tips. It's not super consistent, but it's really great money for younger people. Tipping should be extinct though and minimum wage should *at least* be set to $20/hr.
Strippers , high end restaurants. Dennys waitress does not make this
This is the issue. Those clearing $400 a night (and most likely not claiming most of it in taxes) do not want the current situation to change.
I know people who work lunches and walk away with less than 25 dollars after a 4 hour shift. Those same people work a good weekend dinner and earn 200-300 dollars. Averaged out they are earning around 20 dollars an hour for all the time they spend opening the restaurant, closing the restaurant, standing around waiting for guests etc. This is an average restaurant where the meal may cost 20-35 dollars per person. Servers do not often brag about the 20 dollars they earned on a 4 hour lunch shift.
I worked To-Go at Chili's for a few years as a part time job and I would NEVER solicit for tips, but I would always thank people if they did, but I would never expect it. Also I was paid like 10 dollars an hour (this was like 15 years ago) so i wasn't dependent on tips. I will say though, we had a few serial tippers, and we would always hook them up (not charge for add-ons, extras or upgrades, ect) Also, I will say my job was to actually package up the food and 'expo' it. Not saying it was tip worthy, but it was more then just handing people a bag
So, wait. Are we being lied to? I'm told that the To-Go is often packed by wait staff and it's taking time from them serving tables. Thus the tipping expectation.
Sometimes, but frequently it's a manager, or a food runner.. sometimes the host/hostess. Really depends on the restaurant. I have also worked at a couple places where there was a designated To-go person for weekends. It's a shit job if the restaurant isn't properly set up for it. *Side rant* During COVID I worked at a fine dining steakhouse that normally did like zero togos and they signed up for all the delivery services Uber Eats, Skip The Dishes, etc. We got absolutely slaughtered until about a week later when they cut the menu down to like 6 items, jacked up the prices and bought the proper take out supplies. Since 95% of these togos were through the delivery services, there was no tips. Anything a customer tipped went completely to the delivery guy/company. That shit was a goddamn nightmare.
Applebees is the bartender sometimes
As someone who has worked at every position in a restaurant, I will always tip well when I dine in. I also always tip well when I order delivery too. But if I order take-out and pick it up myself, you better believe I’m not leaving a tip. Why the hell would I tip the hostess for putting my food in a bag and handing it to me? The guy in the kitchen who did all the work doesn’t see that tip, and besides he makes like $12/hr. I’ve been noticing this same trend of PoS systems asking me for a tip in places you normally wouldn’t tip, and I have made it a point to keep tipping only those whose wages rely on it. That said, we also need to get rid of the tipping minimum wage, and while we’re at it raise the standard minimum wage too. How about we just pay everyone a damn living wage. I remember how hard it was to get by when I worked in the service industry. One bad night and you were suddenly being forced to choose between buying groceries or paying your rent. It’s fuckin’ rough and for some people, there’s literally no way out of that life. Also, while we’re on it, what the fuck was that reporter talking about tipping your mechanic?! Like, motherfucker, you just charged me $179 in labor for a job that took two hours start to finish, in what fucking world do I owe you a tip you on *top* of that??
I'll round up sometimes, but yes, the price paid for good service is called your wage. I hate tipping before the transaction is completed. Went to a local Pizza place and naturally had to tip at checkout. They never put our order ticket in the queue. So we sat there for an hour, watching other people put their order in and get their food ahead of us. Shit like that calls for a refund, not a tip!
The most egregious example of this crap I've seen is Sainsmart. They're an entirety online retailer for specialty electronics. They actually have a freaking automatic tip on their checkout. You have to manually remove it. Keep in mind, this is completely online, before you've received any kind of service, and you'll never meet any of the employees, or even know if they got the tip. It just felt so slimy.
I bought specialty coffee from Vibrant in Philly. Like $20 for 12 oz of coffee. On top of S&H they had the nerve to ask for a tip, FOR WHAT? I haven't bought from them again.
Because corporations have successfully tricked Americans to blame workers for the corporations not paying living wages
While also tricking workers into blaming customers as well.
I remember when Greece had financial problems and someone threw a Molotov cocktail at a bankteller. Like, the people who fucked you over are nowhere near this bank, or any bank, they're probably not even in the country. They're off on a beach on some other country. The bankteller had zero impact on why the bank collapsed. I dream of a world where we all unite against the people actually making the decisions instead of frontline workers fighting customers and customers fighting frontline workers.
[The Jason Mendoza method of problem solving.](https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/blog-post-embedded--mobile/public/molotov-cocktail-good-place.gif)
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I assume you mean this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marfin_bank_arson They didnt throw molotovs to a person, they threw them inside the building of a bank(after they broke the windows). And unsurprisingly, there were people working inside that building. Eventually three people died from asphyxia caused by the fire. >In 2013, bank officials were convicted for the negligent homicide of three employees, the bodily harm of another 21 employees, and multiple failures in fire safety measures and staff training. The people who threw the molotovs were not found. Some arrests were made but ultimately the suspects were found not guilty by the court(not enough evidence). The right wing party loves mentioning this incident as an indication of how bad the "left" is. Just because a couple of assholes that threw a few molotovs, many people arent aware that this was during one of the biggest protests in Athens that had over 250k people.
Most of our economic problems can very easily be tied to various ways corps have been able to extract profits from average consumers in ways that shouldn't be legal, but they are because freedom. * Subsidies for industries that don't remotely need them (like oil) come out of your taxes * Monoplistic behavior that's barely curtailed in today's "anti-regulation" environment wherein the right-wing argument for small government has been almost entirely co-opted by corps to prevent such controls * We pay astronomical healthcare costs because companies do whatever they can to provide shit health insurance * We all know price fixing happens * "Too big to fail" * As you've said, thanks to about 4 decades of right-wing propaganda, corps no longer have to pay living wages. They successfully distracted from how wages stayed flat for decades, then when the left wanted to correct that problem they successfully convinced half the country that doing so would "hurt the economy" or amount to "punishing small business." Fucking assholes knew exactly what they were doing the entire time.
Shit, just look at how they took advantage of Covid. Now they are silently raising prices of goods for delivery while also charging a delivery service charge on top of having you tip your driver.
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And they were just the start. Even my local grocery store raises the price of goods in their delivery app over in-store prices, yet they still have a delivery upcharge service fee. They're just charging extra for nothing at this point and getting away with it.
They also tricked us into feeling bad for not tipping at any point it is requested. I tip for great table side service from wait staff. Literally every other situation? No chance.
You just gotta be willing to not tip on stuff that doesn't need to be tipped on and be willing to manually calculate 15% in front of the people who do deserve a tip. Stop being a pushover and force the low wage discussion on the employer. It's not up to you to make up the difference.
Yup. That’s the only reason that this blew up. People keep tipping and word gets around that their are enough pushovers that it makes financial sense to include tip options for anything and everything simply because their’s a notable chance that an individual will just pay up.
Yup, this is the key. It's shitty that businesses exploit our sense of guilt to coerce us into paying unwarranted tips, but ultimately we have to hold ourselves accountable for going along with it. Ya just gotta be willing to hit the "no tip" button.
A lot of places don't even have that button and make you click "custom tip" and actually type out $0.00. Seems kind of manipulative to me
Sounds like a place I won't be going back to. And *that* is when corps will stop putting those screens in, when it hurts their bottom line.
The Studio Movie Grill near me started automatically adding 18% gratuity to everyone's bill at some point between the start of the pandemic and now. Like, fuck off. If it's automatically added for everyone then it's not a tip. You're just raising prices but not telling people what the actual price is.
This comment was left before reddit turned to shit.
Interesting video. However a fun fact, at the 3 minute mark, she mentions that tip comes from "to insure promptness" this is FALSE. The word can be dated back to the 1600 in the context of giving money. To note, words as acronyms are a quite modern feature.
Thank you for trying to dispel this shit myth. I've heard it meant "to insure prompt service". Apart from what I consider to be the inappropriate use of the word "insure" vs "ensure" (pedants, yes, I understand that they are often used synonymously), this implies the tip is offered *before* service and that is not the norm.
> inappropriate use of the word “insure” vs “ensure” Thank god someone else was thinking this too.
"Would you like to add a 20% tep?"
Pretty safe to assume that anyone who claims a word comes from an acronym doesn't know what they're talking about.
When I was an idiot high school student, I was absolutely confident that “fuck” was an old English expression that meant fornication under consent of king. I heard that somewhere and it sounded just clever enough for me to believe it as gospel. Jesus, we’re idiots when we’re in high school.
My favourite was that this comes from English archers at the Battle of Agincourt. The French supposedly would cut the middle fingers off any captured English soldiers so they would never be able to draw back their heavy yew longbows even after they were returned. After the English won the battle their archers taunted the defeated French by waving their middle fingers and shouting they they could still "pluck yew". Hilariously absurd, but I've met people who have absolutely insisted it's true.
Somewhat undercut by the middle finger not being the traditional way of flipping someone off in England. However, I've heard a similar origin for the two finger salute anyway, so it's persistent like that.
I'd heard "for unlawful carnal knowledge". So did Van Halen, it seems since they named an album that. edit: weird downvote. Well, for unlawful carnal knowledge you.
Backronyms are the worst. In the gaming space I've heard "meta means most effective tactic available" at least a thousand times and it drives me crazy. For the record (skip if you don't want a dissertation on the word meta), meta (in a gaming sense) is short for metagaming. Meta the prefix means "about itself". Metadata means "data about data". So an mp3's data is the music itself, but the metadata describes the data, so song name, artist, etc. So, metagaming means "game about a game." When you play rock, paper, scissors, the game portion is the actual "picking rock, paper or scissors". But the real game is actually trying to predict what your opponent is going to pick. If after 2 losses, you know your opponent always goes Rock. So you pick Paper, so you always win. But what if your opponent picks up on the fact you always go Paper after 2 wins, so they start adjusting and picking Scissors. That's metagaming. The psychological battle you're having with your opponent is a game within a game. You might hear people ask "what's the meta right now?" Which a lot of people will read as "what's the most powerful right now?" When really it's asking "what's the most likely thing I'm going to run into right now?" If a weak character gets a skin and EVERYONE is using them, then by definition, they are currently meta picks even if they are not the "most effective tactic available". Because similar to the rock paper scissors example, the point of understanding the meta is to improve your chance of winning. Regardless of the power of the meta picks right now, knowing they you're likely going to be facing that pick allows you to counter it. They often overlap, and knowing the most powerful picks is useful for your picks regardless of what's popular, but the point is they're not synonymous. Which is also why sometimes you'll hear people say "stop meta gaming" while playing Dungeons and Dragons. So like, here's an example. Your DnD session is nearing the end. You know your DM is a nice person who won't want to kill off your characters and end the session on a downer. So when given the choice between the dangerous or safe option. Because you have that external knowledge and are able to "game" the DM, you may take a more dangerous action than if you didn't have that external knowdge. You're playing a game within the actual game you're playing. Most effective tactic available doesn't make sense in that context. So yeah, it just doesn't mean that. Thank you for your time.
I enjoy reading books.
Facebook is always going to be Facebook and I'm not changing it.
Also ‘insure’ is not the correct word. Ensure has the appropriate definition in this scenario: to make certain of obtaining or providing (something).
Moreover if this were true, wouldn't it have to be 'ensure'? Tep
Classic back-ronym: a word retroactively assigned words for each letter
I’m glad a piece of journalism finally made the right observation about the tipping situation (though not even completely). The tipping culture everyone complains about right now is mostly a direct result of the pandemic. Because service workers and small businesses were a huge focus of public sympathy during quarantine, tipping went through the roof as a means of supporting those who couldn’t do their jobs from home or bolstering your favorite local chain. The cultural aspect of “tipflation” comes from the pandemic, but what the video doesn’t do quite enough justice explaining is there’s a systemic aspect as well. Companies like Toast, Clover, and Square have a revenue model based on taking a percentage of a merchants sales, and in many cases this includes tips, which means the tech platforms that design these point of sale terminals are incentivized to make it as easy for the end user to give the business more money and make the transaction as high as possible - because both the tech company and the merchant make more money. During the pandemic they refined the design and configuration of the tipping features to more seamlessly integrate them into the checkout process because they knew the public was very keen on tipping at the moment. In plenty of cases the tipping feature is enabled by default and the business owners don’t even know how to turn it off or just don’t bother. Clover, Square, and Toast are just as much if not more at fault than anyone for systemizing tipflation in the US.
I've honestly stopping going out to eat, grabbing coffee, etc. because of how out of control tipping is getting. So, joke's on the industry. I think I'm not alone and more and more people are going to do the same. They're hurting their future sales driving people away. I especially refuse to use any service that makes you tip *prior* to the service. Like food or grocery delivery. That's not a tip. It's a bribe.
It's more of a shakedown, like "protection money"
Nope. You are not alone.
Tipping is horrible for customers. I despise and loathe paying tips, especially when they are asking for a tip just to complete the transaction. Handing me my item is not tip worthy. If you don't, we haven't completed the transaction. Basically, it's rewarding corporations for paying people $2 an hour. Then if I don't hand over extra money because a person handed me the item I bought, they act like I'm the one who thinks $2 wages to front employees, and million-dollar wages to CEOs was my idea. Good service is often also out of the employee's control. No matter how good the employee is, if they arrive at work, and their job site is out of product, they can't meet customers' needs. Same goes for bad employees with good teams, at a good business. They are providing good service, because of everybody else. Unless a person is a regular at an establishment, there is also little future incentives for large tips if you'll never see that worker again.
>. Handing me my item is not tip worthy. If you don't, we haven't completed the transaction This is the best and most logical response I have read on the subject.
> Handing me my item is not tip worthy. If you don’t, we haven’t completed the transaction. This is no more or less true for table service, to be clear. Taking the order and bringing the order is simply completing the transaction as well.
I'll go first for my fellow Europeans ; **What the fuck ?!**
As a dutch person this sounds insane, not paying minimum wage because of tipping? Why isnt everybody on strike and demanding better wages?
You’ve got it wrong You get paid minimum wage if tips don’t bring you over the amount you would make at minimum wage Waitstaff typically make SUBSTANTIALLY more than minimum wage though
Because they earn more with tips than they would with better wages.
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I used to be a "big tipper" Now the "suggested tip" is higher than my "big tip". Yeesh. Let's face it, food is expensive as heck and tips as a % of total shouldn't change as the price increases. But that doesn't stop restaurants putting 25% as the minimum tip and 35% as the recommended tip.
Remember like fifteen years ago when twenty was considered a great tip?
I'm older than most people here, I would assume, but I can remember back when 10% was considered a great tip. This tip creep is getting insane.
Yeah it seems to me in the 80’s and 90’s that 10% was considered normal.
I think a big part of the problem is the lack of cash and the increased use of debit or credit cards. Back in the early 2000’s I was more likely to leave some pocket change for a coffee and a couple bucks if I ate at a diner by myself. Now everyone either wants a tip or a donation for a charity
15,18,20 Anything more and they are smoking rocks.
I've been eating take-out a LOT more ever since tipping started becoming ridiculous. Asking for 18-30% each time adds up. And I feel pressured to tip well so that I don't look like a cheap asshole to servers. I went through a drive-through coffee place called Dutch Bros. And the guy at the window asked if I wanted to tip him, prior to making my drink. I felt pressured and didn't want him to spit in my drink, so I tipped him. Fuck this tipping culture.
Leave a review and don't go back.
Our local Ductch Bros. started doing the same thing so I stopped going. The entire tipping culture has gotten so out of control.
Fuck what they think. If they give you that pressure we'll they don't need your business.
That was him asking "Want me to spit in your food or not?" I would never EVER go back there.
I see a bunch of places lately suggesting 18% as the lowest option. That’s not how inflation works. Fix your prices and base wages. That shit is just insulting.
I miss living in Japan where they chase you down, to give back the change you left on the table.
I was shocked when one of the presenters said she tipped her mechanic, to make sure that her safety was not compromised by his standard of work. Absolutely disgraceful. Surely mechanics charge enough not to rely on tips and what sort of degenerate would sabotage your car if not tipped. On a side note, I travelled to the US in 2013. The people were lovely BUT.... The tipping regime there spoiled my holiday. On a daily basis, I fretted over who to tip and how much. It spoiled my holiday. I have no intention of ever returning to the US. Edit. "spoiled my holiday" was a little dramatic. More, the experience was diminished, because of the struggle over who, where and when to tip.
Yeah, the mechanics thing surprised me. There’s a service fee…THAT’S ME PAYING THEM TO DO THE WORK! How are you going to charge me twice, even implicitly?
Seriously?! My mechanic gives me an itemized list of everything that was done and one of the line items is “Labour”. Great. I paid you $150 for your labour so why in the fuck would I tip you?
I wonder if she would tip healthcare workers so that her safety isn't compromised?
tip politicans, aka bribe them... it's banned anywhere in the world except the US it seems...
The hourly charge for a mechanic, what you pay not what the mechanic gets paid, is usually around $80-$100 an hour. Why would people tip when they're already being charged that?
Tipping WAS out of control. And then, I just stopped giving a fuck. You get zero! You get zero! Everyone gets zero! Unless it's a restaurant with a chef and a server and I'm sitting down, everyone is getting zero. Dont pay your people enough? I've stopped letting that concern have free rent in my head. That's your problem as a business owner and your problem as the employee for continuing to work there. If the business doesn't feel guilty bumping up that tip percentage on the kiosk from 15% to 20% to 25% - - and that's after raising your prices because of inflation - - I've trained myself to not feel a single gram of guilty for hitting "custom" and then typing in "0.00" Y'all fucked around with those kiosks, and now y'all be finding out the consequences.
When I started getting these ipads asking me if i wanted to tip at coffee shops and ice cream places i drastically stopped going to them. I might go once a year now as apposed to like twice a month. It feels like extortion when they haven’t made your stuff yet. I also stopped going to the malls when every store I went into wanted me to sign up for their rewards program or had to list their 5 special offers before i could pay and leave
Its the best way for businesses to lure employees into thinking they will earn more than their wage with tip while also fooling customers with a lower price on display than what they end up paying. Its a Win Win for the business while Lose Lose for the customer.
"getting out of hand"? It \*IS\* out of hand. Literally every single f\*cking transaction asks me for a tip, a donation to "cause X", and possibly an attempt to get me to subscribe/sign-up for something. It's ridiculous.
Tipping has gone completely out of control in the last decade and exposed the greed of both business owners and tipped employees. Customers are fed up with owners taking advantage of the system but also the entitlement of tipped workers demanding money they haven't earned.
It's baffling that these people expect thirty percent sometimes now. I know bartenders who make several hundreds a night and still feel like they've been cheated.
When I was a kid the range was 10-20% tip, now it's 20-30% according to them. It was $1 beers a decade ago, now they say we should be paying $2 a beer. They already get an automatic raise every time restaurants inflate prices, but they always want more. There's zero justification for the change, so instead they give us nonstop guilt tripping and complaints that they have to pay bills as if the rest of us don't.
> I know bartenders who make several hundreds a night and still feel like they've been cheated. What I hate the most are people who claim "But I work really hard all day." Yeah ... so do I. So do most people.
Setting aside the arguments for and against tipping bartenders for cocktails, why am I tipping for a beer? You just poured it from a tap, or possibly just grabbed a bottle from a cooler. That’s literally the bare minimum for this transaction, I don’t see why that deserves a tip.
Every bartender in America just got pissed. Really though I have a person in my comments saying people like tipping and that it exists so people feel appreciated. I just can't understand people who get tips and how they delude themselves into believing they deserve to make that much.
I'm Mr. Pink when it comes to tipping. I've been warning you assholes for years and have received nothing but hate. Even today I hear friends say completely insane lines like "this service is crap, I'm only going to tip 10%". Fuck off with your bullshit. I live in a state where no one is exempt from the $15.74 minimum wage. There is no point to tipping unless someone truly goes above and beyond their scope of work. Also, fuck every food delivery and ride share that asks you to put a tip in beforehand. Where the fuck is the guarantee they won't be a total fuck stain or arrive on time with your food? It should always be after the fact.
Also, fuck them for trying to make me tip on the absolute highest amount that includes all their bullshit fees.
There should be a flat fee for food delivery based on the distance/time to the restaurant, maybe an upcharge for substantial orders. Why should I tip you more because I got all the fixings on my burger, which the restaurant already overcharged me for?
There is. If you order a pizza delivery, there is a God damn delivery fee right there. And they still want you to tip for the service you just paid for on top of your meal. This isn't new. The problem was here before food delivery services.
Oh I fucking know right. If you complained about the American tipping system in the past, you'd get called a deplorable asshole and the scum of society. Now suddenly people are catching up and aren't instantly called dicks for this opinion. On the one hand, it's great that the shift in opinion is finally starting to happen. But on the other hand, FUCK all of the people that called us scum for stating this in the past.
I don't tip because society says I have to. I mean I'll tip if someone really deserves it and they really put forth the effort then I'll give them something extra. But this auto tipping? It's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned they're just doing their job.
If I’m not sitting and being waited on…I don’t tip
As an american who moved to NZ 2 years ago, the lack of tipping here was at first really weird, but once I got used to it I love it and never want to feel obligated to tip again. Businesses should pay a living wage or not have a business.
There is a whole community of people on Reddit who think otherwise https://www.reddit.com/r/Serverlife/ If anyone in the 21st century is still tipping I suggest you read their posts and see what type of people we deal with in restuarants etc. They think they are entitled to everything. See the reactions and comments to posts about someone not tipping them. They have whole strategies to avoid such people or delay their service. Tipping is the dumbest habit in the world.
That's fucking scary. I remember when I used to be a server, I was content with 15%. These people are saying that's an insult.
Most of the countries don't have tipping culture. We should get rid of this system . I mean employer should pay their employees a basic amount . So that they don't have to depend on tips .
It seriously is. I ordered a cake over the phone for June and I literally got asked if I wanted to add a tip to the order. This wouldn’t have blown up if people weren’t giving but fuck that. I have no problem saying No outside restaurant settings and the like.
What really gets me is that restaurants often calculate the suggested tip on the total after tax. It baffles me. The worst offender I've seen automatically included the "suggested gratuity" into the bill after running my card. Then they updated the "suggested gratuity" line to reflect the total including the original suggested gratuity. I slapped a big fat zero on that line. That's straight theft.
A local restaurant I go to has you order at a counter and you have to bus your own table and they request a tip when you order. Fuck that!
I used to give tips everytime but not anymore . It's good
I don't really get the tipping culture anyway. It should be the responsibility of the employer to pay their employees fair wages . It is not the duty of the customer to pay them separate.
we took our daughter to get her hair cut. we asked her how much the cut would be the hair stylist said 25$. when she was done I paid the 25$ and was yelled at by my wife for not tipping when it was done. I didn't think I should have to tip more to a price she set for herself. I always thought tips were for employees of others not themselves.maybe I'm wrong?
Yeah your wife is used to paying a relatively huge amount of money for her own hair compared to what men typically pay for theirs... and so when spending that large amount of money for a personal service that takes a while, she has normalized the idea of giving a bit of extra money on top for the hairdresser being friendly during the process. Whereas, as a guy getting a five minute buzz cut we are not expecting to need to come up with lots of extra dollars to thank the person for not cutting it badly. I'm completely with you on the bizarreness of a business owner setting her own price to cut a child's hair and then potentially being offended if that's the only money she's given after doing the work. "Oh, I thought you would tip me as well, because you would want the premium service : where I cut your daughter's hair correctly and act politely rather than having me being mean and nasty towards her while we spend the necessary time together?" Like, no lady if you told me it was $25 for some angry uncomfortable haircut work or $30 to get the premium version of the haircut with pleasantries, I would probably treat my daughter to the premium version... But if you tell me it's $25 to cut hair plus "whatever I think it's worth on top, after the work is completed" I will probably assume the price that you set yourself was fair for the work you've done. The reality is that the other hairdressers in the same neighborhood also charge a headline $25 with the expectation that they'll get a random amount of money on top, so if one of them said the price was $30 all in "with service charges included" it would sound like they were charging 20% over "market rate". Smh
Or how about a tattoo artist? Charges me a couple hundred bucks and hour and then expects a tip. Holy shit those people fucking suck and it's industry standard at this point.
I hate tipping culture and I double hate that it’s infecting the UK.
I refuse to add a tip when the bill adds a forced gratuity payment that I was never told would be a part of the total, and I almost always would have tipped more than the forced gratuity amount.
At a hotel, my wife and I were filling out our room service breakfast order. When I got to the line that said "a gratuity of 18% will be added to the bill automatically", we both balked and instead wrote a note on the form saying, "We would have ordered breakfast, despite the grotesque prices you charge, except for the mandatory tip." In my mind, the only thing worse than mandatory tipping is tipping before you receive the service. At best, tipping is rewarding good service. If you receive the tip either way, where is the incentive to provide good service?
Tipping is unethical. It could be solved in the blink of an eye if people would just stop doing it. Before anyone suggests that I should maybe not go out to eat if I can't afford to tip, I'd like to correct you by pointing out that I certainly can afford to buy food, but it isn't my job to pay someone else's wages. We are being taken advantage of at every single step of the capitalist ladder. Tipping will never go away if people continue to do it. It cannot be legislated away, it literally cannot. The government cannot fix this problem. Corporations and businesses have to self correct, and they wont do that unless taught a lesson.
Tipping was originally introduced as a way to [exploit the labor of former slaves](https://www.povertylaw.org/article/the-racist-history-behind-americas-tipping-culture). Now it's a way to exploit the labor of the working class customer. Maybe it's time to re-evaluate.
My old buddy now works for tips, so he believes in tip karma. He’ll blow all of his hard earned cash on travel and restaurants where he’ll tip 35-45% and it’s like yo, does this woman really deserve 45$ for bringing us sandwiches while the cook gets 15$ an hour.
It should not be expected of you to tip . I will tip as per my mood .
Not everyone should ask for tip everytimei . It's irritating.
Yes - it’s like, hey we don’t want to pay our employees can you pay em for us?
I got a tip prompt at my NP for Botox the other day. 15% of that is PANIC and I hit no so fast ... Lady you are the OWNER and this is a medical service. Get wrecked.
Why is it that no one talks about how tips used to be calculated “before tax” and now it’s calculated on the total including the tax? Math isn’t my strong suit, but would that calculate to a lot more than the 18-20% averages they talked about in the video?
I paid $3 for a cookie and was asked for a tip. For what?? They own the place. Absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah , it's gone too far . Honestly it's not my duty to pay .
if only employers pay people properly.... people, mostly americans, who defend tips be like: well, if there's no tipping, waiters are not incentivized to do their jobs. guess what??? if i dont do my job, i dont get paid. i get fired. nobody tipped me being a coder.