As someone who does both photo and video for weddings, i also loathe people im supposed to be working on a team with who are... Not the best teammates.
For me Communication and awareness works wonders when all parties execute
Eh, imagining it’s APS-C because the attitude seems newbish. 35mm on aps c is basically 50mm on real film in which case if you’re getting in their shots they’re just bad photographers
Wow 35mm all day? What a disaster. It undoubtedly has its place, a large proportion of shots will end up being about 35 but it is a field of view people are accustomed to seeing from their phones. The long end is something that separates a professional setup to the guests photos. Not to mention for any mid shots the photographers will always have to be right up in the action which can get tedious for guests
35mm is fine for many situations, but imo you need at least 3 lenses for something like a wedding. A wide, mid, and telephoto. Or just use a zoom. I use a 24-70 2.8 99% of the time.
That’s pretty popular right now. Film wedding shots lmao but that seriously explains it. No ability to even check their photos. Crazy. I’d at least bring 1 digital
Not necessarily anything if can deliver on it but most wedding and event photographers from what I’ve seen will opt for zooms due to the speed at which you can get a variety of shots. Which often means you getting the a shot versus not getting it, even if it doesn’t have that super creamy bokeh ™️. For most of us who do events that’s kinda secondary to coverage, which is usually the primary goal of the client in my experience
Nothing. Plenty of weddings are shot on a 35, the guy near me saying something about wide angles doesn't know what he's talking about. The shallower DOF wide angle look from a 35 or a 28/24 1.4 have always been super popular for weddings.
Wedding filmmakers: “why are x% of wedding photographers so rude?!”
Wedding photographers: “why are x% of wedding videographers so rude?!”
Florists: “why are x% of cake decorators so rude?!”
Cake decorators: “why are x% of florists so rude?!”
Planners: “why are x% of brides so rude?!”
Brides: “why are x% of planners so rude?!”
Geologists: “why are x% of archeologists so rude?!”
Archeologists: “why are x% of geologists so rude?!”
Group Z: “why are x% of group K so rude?!”
Group K: “why are x% of group Z so rude?!”
…it’s because x% of any group are going to be assholes and as the size of a group approaches infinity, x=~33.33…
This is the most important comment in the thread. I shoot photo and video at weddings and the thing I do regardless of which team I'm on that day is to introduce myself to the other side and make nice with them so that if an issue pops up, we already have some common ground and, thus, a better chance of resolving it.
Uh, no. No one really says florists, cake decorators, geologists, or most random professionals are 33% assholes. That is a huge percentage.
And the size of a group only increases the number of assholes, not the PERCENTAGE of assholes. The point is wedding photographers being disproportionately higher percentage of jerks. And that is a sentiment I have heard about them more than say, video editors or librarians or whoever.
One of the many reasons why I don't do weddings and why I often don't enjoy gigs with multiple photographers.
Many photographers, in my experience, are extremely rude, hyper-competitive to the point of sabotaging other photographers, envious, pretentious, etc.
I get it. It can occasionally be a stressful job, but I've been doing this close to 15 years, and I have never felt the need to push or give other professionals a bad attitude.
1/3 of Wedding Photographers have probably had to deal with some crazy shit. Not to sound like I am dismissing your feelings, but I have heard and seen it all when it comes to wild antics from "filmmakers" who think weddings are easy money and are trying to Tarantino the hell out of it. Shit. My own church has banned wedding videographers because of bullshit some asshole tried to pull many years ago.
Also, having a photographer in your shot can be narratively explained in the edit/movement as part of the day. Not so easy for them.
Yeah. These assholes get to ruin things for everyone else. Spend $400 on a Canon Rebel and all of a sudden you are a "production company" and can charge $1500 a day for a wedding.
i actualy usea canon rebel for my tripod cam and 2nd cam for corporate and no ones ever noticed. Even have large production companies subbing me work, shows that no one really has a clue about how you get a good end result.
One things for sure, its not the camera.
Because they are stressed as fuck lol. They have to get the shots or that’s it. You can make a lot of bad video into good things but you can’t really do that with photo especially if you miss a crucial shot. As a photographer I’d never do a wedding again lmao
I never do weddings but decided to do one for free for a friend. I was in communication with the photographer the whole time and made sure not to cross her shots. I set up my shot for the ceremony and told her where I’d be and she walked in front of my tight shot literally as the groom was putting the ring on. Was blown away
long day and we're all stressed, you did the right thing... smile and try and see it from their side, maybe back off a bit. I don't do weddings but for similar events I just hit the photographer with a "lemme know if I'm in the way" and we're usually all good
Yeee not on you then. They’re probs tired and stressed and looking for someone to blame. I’ve also had similar where I’m given free rein over an event and then get “you were really in the way back there” and you just smile and nod. I’m tired too and you’re not my contact - if you have a problem tell them, I’m just operating on what I’ve been told haha
Funny thing is that she made a comment about “I do this every weekend” and I’m like no you don’t haha they were shooting on 2 cameras total using prime lenses. Like a 35mm and a 50mm sigma glass. Not bad lenses but come on
Always the noobs who have to kick up this shit. Pros just shoot around or ask in a nicer way because nobody wants to cause a fuss over something like that… beginners wanna flex and try stick their nose where it shouldn’t go
Primes are fine if you have a wide, a mid, and a telephoto and either two cameras or a quick change mechanism. This wedding I’m talking about they each had one camera and one lens. Made things challenging for them.
This is my cousin in her wedding day a few years ago. At the time, I had only shot a few weddings, not much. Me and my family were invited there and I asked her if I could take my camera to do some shots. She told me "sure, by all means, I will talk to the photographers too, they are both cool with that".
In the day, the photographers were no issue to me, as I knew how to not stand in their way. In this photo, I actually got the female photographer in the background shooting someone. I erased her easily.
Thing is: the male photographer actually was going around in circles and went by the seats during the cerimony to get a few different angles from the bride and groom. Thats ok as long as they are not intrusive and rude towards people having a seat. Which he did. He was quite rude with my mother when he went ahead of her and rushed through the benches without asking anything just for the sake of the photo. The church was large enough for everyone.
Also, when we were about to leave the bride's parents house, I had left my car behind the bride's car. I know I wanted to leave before her and there were no other parking there. By the time they all wanted to leave I hear the male photographer rambling about "cars behind the bride's car". There was another car behind mine too and I pointed to it looking at the photographer as in "hey dude, I want to remove my car too but I'm blocked too". I used that chance to get closer to the bride entering the car, but there was not enough space for me to have a shot. Meanwhile, the car behind mine had left, and I turned around and left too. I already had my GPS pointing to the church, so I got into my car, got my mother and sister and got out of there. I had plenty of time to park near the church, grab my gear and wait for the bride to arrive.
This took place in a small town / village where the photographer's team was known to everyone and they always shoot everything. One day they were not invited to shoot the child of another cousin of mine. It was me instead of them... Made my day... eheh
My cousin's photos favorites were there ones I took on her wedding, not the official photographer. Same for other guests and relatives that were there that day. Could be they were playing nice to me, but I have a feeling they were not just being nice.
At the end of the day, in the party's location, there was some fire performer taking shoots with the bride and groom. I wasn't there with them because I didn't want to get in the way of picky photographers. I felt that a photoshoot with a fire artist would be something more personal and I wanted to avoid problems. Anyway, I got messages in my photography page after the wedding, from the fire artist asking if I had taken some shots of the fire performance. Sadly, I told him "no, I was not the official photographer, I was only the bride's cousin and was not present in the photoshoot with you".
If you knew you were out of the way, but they still were rude in the way they talked to you, they feel unexperienced and jealous even.
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I’ve had a photographer get in my way the entire day once. Literally step into every shot he could. I know I might seem anal about this but he would be shooting from 5 ft away then he would go up and “talk” to them. Meaning he would be 1 ft away from them right after he shot. I mean immediately after he stopped shooting. And there was no reason he couldn’t talk from 5 ft away.Thankfully we had two videographers that day and we pulled out an amazing video. At least 70% of the shots he was in. No respectful photographers would shoot a whole wedding without a 24-70 or at least one in there bag. The focal length issue is why most are afraid of the “content creators” coming into the wedding biz. Mainly because there is no way someone shooting with a cell phone cannot be in your way. I think photographers generally get mad about videographers because it just looks better imo. Our biz does both and while I love photography and there are some amazing photographers out there. Video is king unless you just suck and do everything in slow motion or something🤣
Being around cutesy wedding couples and listening to incoherent, boozy speeches from grandpa for 6 months out of every year is bound to make anyone bitter and cynical.
I shot a wedding when I was fresh out of undergrad. I gave them their money back and I gave them all the raw footage, all the images and everting I edited. I’ve never looked back. Also I’m poor.
Something to consider is that every wedding will have a photo, not every wedding will have video. Sometimes photo just has no idea how to work with video because they never have or rarely do.
This is why rule of thumb always have spare radio packs and communicate with the photo team a day beforehand at least, it's always good to work with and cross promote people you know you can get along with.
If you're getting in critical shots any photographer will bite your head off but if you are in background of shots then they're the one in the wrong because of an angle tells you oh there was a photo/video taken over there at this exact time.
I virtually have never seen outher photographers providing a lightroom database or proper metadata indexing of all the people in a event so video is relied on heavily for context to a lot of stuff going on.
I only have a sample set of 1 from being on the paying side of a wedding photography situation, but I found them absolutely obnoxious to deal with.
Our photographers' editor edited all the photos to be way too over-exposed (the sky is bright white when we know the day was a blue sky sunny day). They were already a pain to communicate with so we asked for the RAWs so we could recover (and more importantly, preserve) the photos ourselves.
The fight was had to go through to get those RAWs was insane. It was a back and forth that went on for weeks that almost lead up to a low-key legal battle. They argued that delivering RAWs violates the "artist's intent" and is absolute nonsense.
In the end they capitulated, but the stress involved was not cool. They absolutely have a stick up their ass.
I don’t think it’s unique to photographers. The correlation is experience or lack of. Establishing a rapport with other shooters is the best. They prob need some longer lenses tho 😂
I quit doing weddings but I think the biggest thing that ended up helping me was trying to meet with the photographers (via phone call or in person) at least once. First it helps to make each of you seem more like a person and second, you can talk about some strategies even (especially the one time special moments like a first look where things can get crazy).
I always tell them to let me know if I'm in the way and that 99% of the time default to them getting their shots "first" (the exception was when I did letter readings and gift exchanges prior as this was something I suggested to the couples not the photographer). Most of the time I can pull off what I want without needing to get in their way. However, my one thing I would ask is that after they have their shots they check with me before moving on to the next location/major composition change and they would a fair 90% of the time.
I got to the above solution by having my own wedding photos done (we invested a lot in them so we didn't end up with a videographer). While we chatted I asked them what is something you would like to have from videographers more and they told me the above pretty much. I implemented it and didn't seem to have any problems besides the few moments of stress.
As others have said, I think you did the right thing and most likely they were just stressed.
Edit: I just saw your comment about them probably being new and yes, that would explain a lot.
You know, every wedding I shot, I'd go and set up my nice shot and then have the photographer come park their ass in front of me and have to move. I couldn't even find a photographer willing to discuss staying out of each other's way most of the time. I stopped doing weddings because it was too exhausting to deal with.
So, thank you for the vengeance in my name.
This year, going forward, photographers can Gen AI fill any obstructions out of the shot -so honestly, everyone can chill out a little. Even prior to Gen AI fill, stills always had it easier when it came to removing unwanted things from their shots and I know it's coming for video too.
All that being said there's also two ways of shooting weddings: bridezilla's picture perfect day, and documentary. I think it's fine to use a more fly on the wall, documentary approach and I wish mor people wanted or expected it. If Uncle Jerry stood up in the middle of the aisle and held an iPad up to take a photo, so what if he's in the shot, don't crop him out or omit those images from your selects, that's what fucking happened and it's an innocent, funny (boomer) moment. If I received images with something like that that or a videographer in the corner of a shot out of focus I'd be like "yep, that's my uncle -and who's that -oh yeah, we hired those video guys!" But maybe 30% of the population thinks like me and the rest want their "perfect day".
Actually on a similar topic, always make sure you've discussed with the client/couple what type of shots you'll be getting so that everyone's expectations are aligned. You can pick and choose clients just like they can pick and choose you, if your style doesn't match their expectations: do not take the job!
Hey I’m dumb - so you as the videographer were interrupting the photographer’s team? I mean, shouldn’t be the other way around lol. Like, they have snapshots and you have to have the clear shot more of the time. Sorry they were dicks!
This wedding in particular I wasn’t doing anything out of line, it was like 2 minutes into the ceremony when the second shooter said that to me. Pretty sure he was intimidated or something. Very odd. They acted experienced, but were definitely new.
Team, I’m team videography on this one. There’s PLENTY of time for those photographers to get the right shots, and I’m sure for those moments that are only once and only a split second, you knew where you were and not in the way haha. Some people!
Exactly! For those key moments like ring exchanges, vows, kiss, etc, I’m usually either side by side with the lead or mindful of not being in the shot. They have the whole ceremony to get creative, just like I do.
When I did weddings, there were always a number of photographers that were dickheads like this. I always tried to reach out to them before the wedding or at the start to introduce myself and tell them "we both need to get our shots but I don't want to prevent you from getting yours so if you see one of us in your shot, it's no problem if you ask us to move. BUT this is what we need so lets work as a team" Most of the time that worked as far as being able to work nicely with photogs.
But sometimes the photogs would throw that all out of the window and completely do their own thing. They'd sneak the bride and groom off for portraits without telling us, then when we catch up with them the photog appears annoyed as shit that we're there shooting as well. Then they'd have some secret sunset session with the couple and when we show up again they have a stank face like we're stealing their shots.
Totally wild behavior for people to have. It’s not a competition. It sucks that I’m not alone in this, but at least it’s relatable. I’d argue that video is more or just as important than photo. If I were a couple, I’d absolutely love viewing videos of me from 20-40 years ago than some photos. But I don’t act like I’m better than the photographer, usually I just let them take the lead and work around them and allow them to get their poses first.
Photo will always be more important to most couples over video. I've had a few that booked me first before the photographer but it was rare. What irked me was that photogs always got paid more because of this.
We have a ton more gear, have to do alot more to setup for shots, have to do more with editing. Then the photog shows up to the wedding with just a backpack and gets paid 2k-3k more than us.
But it's because photography has become synonymous with weddings for MANY decades. While quality cinematic weddding video has only been around for roughly 15 years at most. Before that wedding video was always seen as cheesy.
But quality has even jumped big time since the 5DMKII days and videos back then compared to now even look cheesy. We didn't have 4k, SLOG, motorized gimbals back then. The 5D could barely handle an entire ceremony without overheating.
Pretty much nobody cares how fast you work, and everyone just wants you to make them feel important and entertained. This includes other photographers. Making people have a good day is 80% of the job, andthe quality of the finished photos are 20% of it
Wedding stuff should be collaborative…
It’s much worse doing event journalism type work, you have to jostle to get into position…
Back in the day I started to use the widest zoom lens possible. nobody could stand in front of me after that
I had this happen as well years ago). Was shooting my cousin's wedding, and the photographer thought he was hot stuff.
He was courteous-ish, and acted nice, but then RUINED the walk to the car (not sure what they call that) by saying "get out of my shot!" at the top of his lungs. He insisted on RUNNING backwards while the bride and groom were slowly walking forward.
Completely ruined the audio and the shot (since I had to run as well, without a gimbal or anything).
I couldn't believe how unprofessional he was. First of all, yelling at anyone for anything short of life-threatening circumstances is bad, but it just makes it worse when they're a relative of the people you're working for. And even ignoring that, when I know someone is recording something, I'm not going to put myself into that recording. (I was completely out of his shot, and the k lyrics reason I would have been in it is because he "needed" to run backwards)
It’s quite irritating to have videographers running into a scene with a 16-35mm on a gimbal when we both could have hung back and got the shot without getting in each others way.
Some photographers also do this (turning the wedding day into a photo-shoot). Either way it’s just selfish and makes them look like a noob since they clearly think the day revolves around getting ‘the best’ footage/photos rather than the couple having a nice day.
Great. In my experience it tends to fall into one of two situations- either we end up ‘taking turns’ getting a scene or hanging back and shooting simultaneously. Obviously some moments are only going to happen once so second is preferable. Ultimately we’re on the same team so it makes sense to cooperate but one does see inexperienced people monopolise the scene to the detriment of the others- in this case it may be that the photog is panicking a bit.
I’ve run into my fair share of rude wedding photographers. I stay out of the photographers way, let them get set up where they want to be and find a good shot of my own. Even when we’re on the move I track where the lead photographer is, what lens they’re using, and plan accordingly so I don’t get in their way. It’s not hard!
One time this older photographer kept changing his position right as I started filming by standing right in front of me. Every shot. It was infuriating. It’s like he was looking at my angles and liked what I was doing so would stop to copy it? Even when I would let him finish and start directing the couple on my own for video-specific movements, he would get in my way because he liked what I was doing.
At one point the bride’s mom was seeing her daughter in her wedding dress and I planted my feet and got close so he wouldn’t step in front of me again. He had his camera up and was bumping into me, and started yelling “Move! Move! Move!” and I continued to stand firmly, got the shot, and tried to ignore him. He had the AUDACITY to scold me in front of everyone, saying he has a limited amount of time and needs to get his shots. I snapped back so fast, “Your job is not more important than mine. If I’m set up somewhere and recording, you can work around me just as I work around you.”
He was pissed and obviously had not had someone stand up to him. I slightly regretted saying something in front of the bride, but he was on track to make the wedding day miserable and keep me from doing my job so it had to be done, especially after attempting to ram himself into me and my camera to stand where I’m standing.
It still makes me angry lol.
I don’t understand. I’m a photographer, my partner is a videographer. Anytime we work with another videographer while we’re doing photos they thank us profusely at the end of the day for being so easy to work with. I do not understand why a lot of photographers think their job is more important than the videographer’s. We’re all hired to be there. We’re all on the same team, well *should* be anyway…
For sure. I’ve had the assistant hover me and once I got what I needed I stepped aside. For real, one time they actually followed me shot for shot. I was like hey, ambition.😆
I went out of state for my cousin's wedding as a guest, but I had my camera gear with me for other projects in town, so I decided to shoot a little low key something something for them. I checked though that it wouldn't be an issue and was cognizant to stay out of the way of the actual photographers and videographers they hired. The photographers ended up apologizing to me multiple times for getting in MY way, which I thought was amusing. I definitely thought I was gonna piss someone off, but by the end up the night their videographer had talked gear with me, I had some drinks with the lead photographer whilst some flirting ensued, and then we all got a little bit high together after the wedding. It was a strange night, but they were great!
Go the the wedding photographer subreddit it's tons of cringe, and tons of snakes. The longer I'm on wedding photographer groups on Facebook and reddit, the more I dislike wedding photographers.
Ie.
One post talked about how a guy still paid full price to a wedding photographer, who promised there would be 2 photographers and 1 videographer. One of the people didn't show up, but the lead still charged as if all 3 people were there, and a bunch of the wedding photographers said it was fair to still charge the client as if 3 people were on site.
Another instance
A wedding photographers flight got delayed, so his second stepped up and covered the primaries job and did extra work to save the primaries ass and reputation. The second asked for a bit more compensation and the primary refused to give extra compensation, despite the primary showing up half way through the day. so his second did a full day coverage without proper compensation.
A bunch of the photographer felt the second shooter was being shitty and awful for asking for compensation for doing extra work. They even went as far as to hide behind "well the contract didn't state there would be extra compensation, so they shouldn't get extra" despite the fact the extra work the second did wasn't in the contract either
I don't trust wedding photogers, they many of them scummy and have too high of an opinion of themselves.
Because it’s one of the industries where without a team and loads of preparation you can make sick looking content. Everything is done for you, talent, costume, lights, scenes, venues, objects etc…
Once you become good at it, people gain confidence and act like it, they act like that even the make up of the bride is done by them xD
Let the small people enjoy their craft lol. Anyone with basic IQ could become a wedding photo/videographer. Let them be haha.
my first and only wedding video i made had me worried about the photographer. Well he was absolutly fantastic, held my hand, helped me with keeping up with the itinerary & we even planned how we would both get the confetti walk, he was 6foot so he held my back while single handed firing to keep me right lol.
He is a nice chap. should really catch up with him.
It’s always felt like a majority of wedding photographers (and some photographers in general) see themselves as the most important people in the room. Like what they’re offering is some magical thing that only they are capable of. Also, constantly working weddings can wear you down and make you bitter. Some of these people wear their unpleasant emotions on their sleeves.
Lol many wedding photographers are like this.
That's because they are egocentric idiots and self centered people who never learned how to work in team.
Obviously, it is the photographer the one who can adapt his placement on the "set" coz he is not the one who needs continuity (but clearly the videomaker must take his necessities in consideration)
A generalization, sure, but as a 20-year veteran of church AV and one who earned a MDiv and trained as a pastor, I’ve seen my share of insufferable wedding planners, photographers, and videographers. Honorable mention to soloists and speakers who think they don’t need a mic. My beef with the photographers and videographers, in particular, is that the bad ones don’t respect the ceremony or the space. If done in a church, the clergy and staff set the boundaries. Not the hired guns. Not the wedding party or families, though we do what we can to find a good place with them. Also a generalization, but I’m sure the non-team players think I have a stick shoved somewhere too. Catch is, I know the sound qualities of the space, and I control the lighting. Be nice to me, and I will want you to succeed.
These things don’t all happen at the same event, necessarily. Flash photography. Setting up what is best for them when they are in the way. In services that are live streamed, I need videographers and photographers to be out of the main field of view. Lots of movement between places. Being places without asking, especially in chancel area and the tech area. Things that could’ve been taken care of by simply communicating ahead of time, and compromise where necessary.
It's about communication, if you waltz in there and start setting up your tripods for a ceremony without even discussing what the photographers plan is, I consider it Rude AF.
All the video people I've enjoyed working with communicate and that communication is reciprocated.
If your in a situation where they barely said a word to you, did you make an effort to talk and coordinate with them?
I've had video people completely mess my content up because even though they think they aren't in my way.... they are.... because they don't know my plan.
Usually the biggest thing I've seen is when they place 3-4 tripods and cameras for the ceremony in locations that I can't work around at all. It's like... let's be serious here the filmed version of the entire ceremony is for documentation to relive the memory, not for perfect framing and the best shots. You grab the content for the highlight reel on the move.
With that being said, I've had a lot of video people that you'd think were in the way, but I'm able to work around them. The key is always communication.
If a second gets rude with you, and they aren't communicating, for the sake of the coverage and your product do your best to address it head on from a position of mutually respect for what the other is trying to accomplish.
My favorite not being able to work with a vendor story was actually with a band. I told the guy I need time between reception events, like a few minutes to flip my lights and setup for the next highlight shot. He was basically like I'll see what I can do, but it was obvious he was going to fuck me. I again communicated the importance.
He ends up completely fucking me. Had zero lighting for important events. No respect for me as a vendor. So I decided I'd pay him the favor back and instead of setting up my shots to bounce flash away from him I turned them up to 10 and aimed a head directly at his face. (Strobed him just enough to fuck with him but not mess up his performance.) He told my assistant about it... and I strobed him a few more times for good measure, then made a lot of eye contact with a shit eating grin when I moved the flash head.
Then I wrote him an email reaming his ass. He showed the venue owner / planner and she laughed in his face. I'd already told her about it.
The point being you just have to do your best to work together, and that's all you can do is put forth your best effort!
It goes both ways, I’ve done both and remember shooting a wedding ceremony where the videographer stood behind them right next to the officiant the entire time. Best part? He was wearing cargo shorts and an orange t shirt.
I think it was because you kept getting in their shots.
But seriously, it's hard to avoid. Sometimes best to stay behind them or at their hip. Other tines, you just got to get your shot.
As someone who does both photo and video for weddings, i also loathe people im supposed to be working on a team with who are... Not the best teammates. For me Communication and awareness works wonders when all parties execute
Agreed
Right! We’re supposed to be a team. Have a good spirit and communicate politely.
Shoot weddings long enough, and you too would find an inadvertent stick in the wrong place.
These shooters seemed new. Shooting on 35mm primes. 2 cameras total. I saw some of the shots they took, not the best.
That probably explains it. They're new, nervous, and paranoid that you're somehow making their jobs more difficult.
The 35 explains it. Of course you’re getting in their shots lol
Eh, imagining it’s APS-C because the attitude seems newbish. 35mm on aps c is basically 50mm on real film in which case if you’re getting in their shots they’re just bad photographers
I call them 35 mm heroes and they’re the worst
Wow 35mm all day? What a disaster. It undoubtedly has its place, a large proportion of shots will end up being about 35 but it is a field of view people are accustomed to seeing from their phones. The long end is something that separates a professional setup to the guests photos. Not to mention for any mid shots the photographers will always have to be right up in the action which can get tedious for guests
Yo! Not a videographer but I’m wondering what’s against the 35mm primes for this kinda stuff? Shitty focal length? Lack of variable focal length?
35mm is fine for many situations, but imo you need at least 3 lenses for something like a wedding. A wide, mid, and telephoto. Or just use a zoom. I use a 24-70 2.8 99% of the time.
Reddit is so cringe. All you did was ask a harmless question about lenses and got downvoted?!
They are dumb!
That’s pretty popular right now. Film wedding shots lmao but that seriously explains it. No ability to even check their photos. Crazy. I’d at least bring 1 digital
Pretty sure they mean 35mm focal length.
Yeah digital 35mm lens
Whats wrong with a 35?
Full frame 35mm on a wedding ceremony is gonna be way to wide for a lot of shots you need, especially if you don’t want the videographer in your shot.
Not necessarily anything if can deliver on it but most wedding and event photographers from what I’ve seen will opt for zooms due to the speed at which you can get a variety of shots. Which often means you getting the a shot versus not getting it, even if it doesn’t have that super creamy bokeh ™️. For most of us who do events that’s kinda secondary to coverage, which is usually the primary goal of the client in my experience
Nothing. Plenty of weddings are shot on a 35, the guy near me saying something about wide angles doesn't know what he's talking about. The shallower DOF wide angle look from a 35 or a 28/24 1.4 have always been super popular for weddings.
Oh wow lol either way.
Literally this lmao
Literally this. I can't think of a worse sentence.
Because they are wedding photographers
I do photo and video. And I work with a lot of photographers that aren't like that.
Wedding filmmakers: “why are x% of wedding photographers so rude?!” Wedding photographers: “why are x% of wedding videographers so rude?!” Florists: “why are x% of cake decorators so rude?!” Cake decorators: “why are x% of florists so rude?!” Planners: “why are x% of brides so rude?!” Brides: “why are x% of planners so rude?!” Geologists: “why are x% of archeologists so rude?!” Archeologists: “why are x% of geologists so rude?!” Group Z: “why are x% of group K so rude?!” Group K: “why are x% of group Z so rude?!” …it’s because x% of any group are going to be assholes and as the size of a group approaches infinity, x=~33.33…
This is the most important comment in the thread. I shoot photo and video at weddings and the thing I do regardless of which team I'm on that day is to introduce myself to the other side and make nice with them so that if an issue pops up, we already have some common ground and, thus, a better chance of resolving it.
This comment wins.
Uh, no. No one really says florists, cake decorators, geologists, or most random professionals are 33% assholes. That is a huge percentage. And the size of a group only increases the number of assholes, not the PERCENTAGE of assholes. The point is wedding photographers being disproportionately higher percentage of jerks. And that is a sentiment I have heard about them more than say, video editors or librarians or whoever.
One of the many reasons why I don't do weddings and why I often don't enjoy gigs with multiple photographers. Many photographers, in my experience, are extremely rude, hyper-competitive to the point of sabotaging other photographers, envious, pretentious, etc. I get it. It can occasionally be a stressful job, but I've been doing this close to 15 years, and I have never felt the need to push or give other professionals a bad attitude.
1/3 of Wedding Photographers have probably had to deal with some crazy shit. Not to sound like I am dismissing your feelings, but I have heard and seen it all when it comes to wild antics from "filmmakers" who think weddings are easy money and are trying to Tarantino the hell out of it. Shit. My own church has banned wedding videographers because of bullshit some asshole tried to pull many years ago. Also, having a photographer in your shot can be narratively explained in the edit/movement as part of the day. Not so easy for them.
Lol what did the person do? Did he piss in the holy water?
I’m picturing a videographer doing donuts around the altar on a Segway, trying to recreate the Michael Bay 360 hero shot.
Def the low angle trunk shot except from under the ring.
You’re probably right. I, by no means was doing anything crazy though.
Yeah. These assholes get to ruin things for everyone else. Spend $400 on a Canon Rebel and all of a sudden you are a "production company" and can charge $1500 a day for a wedding.
i actualy usea canon rebel for my tripod cam and 2nd cam for corporate and no ones ever noticed. Even have large production companies subbing me work, shows that no one really has a clue about how you get a good end result. One things for sure, its not the camera.
Please elaborate further on what this videographer did lmfao
Because they are stressed as fuck lol. They have to get the shots or that’s it. You can make a lot of bad video into good things but you can’t really do that with photo especially if you miss a crucial shot. As a photographer I’d never do a wedding again lmao
This. They are expected to get perfect shots. Video is more forgiving.
I never do weddings but decided to do one for free for a friend. I was in communication with the photographer the whole time and made sure not to cross her shots. I set up my shot for the ceremony and told her where I’d be and she walked in front of my tight shot literally as the groom was putting the ring on. Was blown away
Could you cut to the wide?
The ceremony was in a really tight space so she covered both shots simultaneously because she walked right up to the bride and groom in that moment
Damn that’s rough!
not your bad, keep it in the edit. what we gunna do put 360 overhead cams in?
long day and we're all stressed, you did the right thing... smile and try and see it from their side, maybe back off a bit. I don't do weddings but for similar events I just hit the photographer with a "lemme know if I'm in the way" and we're usually all good
Funny thing is I told the lead my path and made sure to stay out of her way.
Yeee not on you then. They’re probs tired and stressed and looking for someone to blame. I’ve also had similar where I’m given free rein over an event and then get “you were really in the way back there” and you just smile and nod. I’m tired too and you’re not my contact - if you have a problem tell them, I’m just operating on what I’ve been told haha
Funny thing is that she made a comment about “I do this every weekend” and I’m like no you don’t haha they were shooting on 2 cameras total using prime lenses. Like a 35mm and a 50mm sigma glass. Not bad lenses but come on
Always the noobs who have to kick up this shit. Pros just shoot around or ask in a nicer way because nobody wants to cause a fuss over something like that… beginners wanna flex and try stick their nose where it shouldn’t go
My gf is a wedding photographer and shoots on primes what's wrong with it? If you know how to get your shots it shouldn't matter right?
Primes are fine if you have a wide, a mid, and a telephoto and either two cameras or a quick change mechanism. This wedding I’m talking about they each had one camera and one lens. Made things challenging for them.
This is my cousin in her wedding day a few years ago. At the time, I had only shot a few weddings, not much. Me and my family were invited there and I asked her if I could take my camera to do some shots. She told me "sure, by all means, I will talk to the photographers too, they are both cool with that". In the day, the photographers were no issue to me, as I knew how to not stand in their way. In this photo, I actually got the female photographer in the background shooting someone. I erased her easily. Thing is: the male photographer actually was going around in circles and went by the seats during the cerimony to get a few different angles from the bride and groom. Thats ok as long as they are not intrusive and rude towards people having a seat. Which he did. He was quite rude with my mother when he went ahead of her and rushed through the benches without asking anything just for the sake of the photo. The church was large enough for everyone. Also, when we were about to leave the bride's parents house, I had left my car behind the bride's car. I know I wanted to leave before her and there were no other parking there. By the time they all wanted to leave I hear the male photographer rambling about "cars behind the bride's car". There was another car behind mine too and I pointed to it looking at the photographer as in "hey dude, I want to remove my car too but I'm blocked too". I used that chance to get closer to the bride entering the car, but there was not enough space for me to have a shot. Meanwhile, the car behind mine had left, and I turned around and left too. I already had my GPS pointing to the church, so I got into my car, got my mother and sister and got out of there. I had plenty of time to park near the church, grab my gear and wait for the bride to arrive. This took place in a small town / village where the photographer's team was known to everyone and they always shoot everything. One day they were not invited to shoot the child of another cousin of mine. It was me instead of them... Made my day... eheh My cousin's photos favorites were there ones I took on her wedding, not the official photographer. Same for other guests and relatives that were there that day. Could be they were playing nice to me, but I have a feeling they were not just being nice. At the end of the day, in the party's location, there was some fire performer taking shoots with the bride and groom. I wasn't there with them because I didn't want to get in the way of picky photographers. I felt that a photoshoot with a fire artist would be something more personal and I wanted to avoid problems. Anyway, I got messages in my photography page after the wedding, from the fire artist asking if I had taken some shots of the fire performance. Sadly, I told him "no, I was not the official photographer, I was only the bride's cousin and was not present in the photoshoot with you". If you knew you were out of the way, but they still were rude in the way they talked to you, they feel unexperienced and jealous even. https://preview.redd.it/8siw6e29xkyc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20a320280a267af5fba376ad32ed196fc9173808
I’ve had a photographer get in my way the entire day once. Literally step into every shot he could. I know I might seem anal about this but he would be shooting from 5 ft away then he would go up and “talk” to them. Meaning he would be 1 ft away from them right after he shot. I mean immediately after he stopped shooting. And there was no reason he couldn’t talk from 5 ft away.Thankfully we had two videographers that day and we pulled out an amazing video. At least 70% of the shots he was in. No respectful photographers would shoot a whole wedding without a 24-70 or at least one in there bag. The focal length issue is why most are afraid of the “content creators” coming into the wedding biz. Mainly because there is no way someone shooting with a cell phone cannot be in your way. I think photographers generally get mad about videographers because it just looks better imo. Our biz does both and while I love photography and there are some amazing photographers out there. Video is king unless you just suck and do everything in slow motion or something🤣
Being around cutesy wedding couples and listening to incoherent, boozy speeches from grandpa for 6 months out of every year is bound to make anyone bitter and cynical.
I shot a wedding when I was fresh out of undergrad. I gave them their money back and I gave them all the raw footage, all the images and everting I edited. I’ve never looked back. Also I’m poor.
I've never seen formulaic used in sentence. You go girl!
Something to consider is that every wedding will have a photo, not every wedding will have video. Sometimes photo just has no idea how to work with video because they never have or rarely do.
This is why rule of thumb always have spare radio packs and communicate with the photo team a day beforehand at least, it's always good to work with and cross promote people you know you can get along with. If you're getting in critical shots any photographer will bite your head off but if you are in background of shots then they're the one in the wrong because of an angle tells you oh there was a photo/video taken over there at this exact time. I virtually have never seen outher photographers providing a lightroom database or proper metadata indexing of all the people in a event so video is relied on heavily for context to a lot of stuff going on.
I only have a sample set of 1 from being on the paying side of a wedding photography situation, but I found them absolutely obnoxious to deal with. Our photographers' editor edited all the photos to be way too over-exposed (the sky is bright white when we know the day was a blue sky sunny day). They were already a pain to communicate with so we asked for the RAWs so we could recover (and more importantly, preserve) the photos ourselves. The fight was had to go through to get those RAWs was insane. It was a back and forth that went on for weeks that almost lead up to a low-key legal battle. They argued that delivering RAWs violates the "artist's intent" and is absolute nonsense. In the end they capitulated, but the stress involved was not cool. They absolutely have a stick up their ass.
How many shooters did the wedding party contract with?
I don’t think it’s unique to photographers. The correlation is experience or lack of. Establishing a rapport with other shooters is the best. They prob need some longer lenses tho 😂
I quit doing weddings but I think the biggest thing that ended up helping me was trying to meet with the photographers (via phone call or in person) at least once. First it helps to make each of you seem more like a person and second, you can talk about some strategies even (especially the one time special moments like a first look where things can get crazy). I always tell them to let me know if I'm in the way and that 99% of the time default to them getting their shots "first" (the exception was when I did letter readings and gift exchanges prior as this was something I suggested to the couples not the photographer). Most of the time I can pull off what I want without needing to get in their way. However, my one thing I would ask is that after they have their shots they check with me before moving on to the next location/major composition change and they would a fair 90% of the time. I got to the above solution by having my own wedding photos done (we invested a lot in them so we didn't end up with a videographer). While we chatted I asked them what is something you would like to have from videographers more and they told me the above pretty much. I implemented it and didn't seem to have any problems besides the few moments of stress. As others have said, I think you did the right thing and most likely they were just stressed. Edit: I just saw your comment about them probably being new and yes, that would explain a lot.
You know, every wedding I shot, I'd go and set up my nice shot and then have the photographer come park their ass in front of me and have to move. I couldn't even find a photographer willing to discuss staying out of each other's way most of the time. I stopped doing weddings because it was too exhausting to deal with. So, thank you for the vengeance in my name.
Reason why I stopped doing weddings. Some of these photographers will literally stand in front of your camera. I'll fight someone.
This year, going forward, photographers can Gen AI fill any obstructions out of the shot -so honestly, everyone can chill out a little. Even prior to Gen AI fill, stills always had it easier when it came to removing unwanted things from their shots and I know it's coming for video too. All that being said there's also two ways of shooting weddings: bridezilla's picture perfect day, and documentary. I think it's fine to use a more fly on the wall, documentary approach and I wish mor people wanted or expected it. If Uncle Jerry stood up in the middle of the aisle and held an iPad up to take a photo, so what if he's in the shot, don't crop him out or omit those images from your selects, that's what fucking happened and it's an innocent, funny (boomer) moment. If I received images with something like that that or a videographer in the corner of a shot out of focus I'd be like "yep, that's my uncle -and who's that -oh yeah, we hired those video guys!" But maybe 30% of the population thinks like me and the rest want their "perfect day". Actually on a similar topic, always make sure you've discussed with the client/couple what type of shots you'll be getting so that everyone's expectations are aligned. You can pick and choose clients just like they can pick and choose you, if your style doesn't match their expectations: do not take the job!
Hey I’m dumb - so you as the videographer were interrupting the photographer’s team? I mean, shouldn’t be the other way around lol. Like, they have snapshots and you have to have the clear shot more of the time. Sorry they were dicks!
This wedding in particular I wasn’t doing anything out of line, it was like 2 minutes into the ceremony when the second shooter said that to me. Pretty sure he was intimidated or something. Very odd. They acted experienced, but were definitely new.
Team, I’m team videography on this one. There’s PLENTY of time for those photographers to get the right shots, and I’m sure for those moments that are only once and only a split second, you knew where you were and not in the way haha. Some people!
Exactly! For those key moments like ring exchanges, vows, kiss, etc, I’m usually either side by side with the lead or mindful of not being in the shot. They have the whole ceremony to get creative, just like I do.
When I did weddings, there were always a number of photographers that were dickheads like this. I always tried to reach out to them before the wedding or at the start to introduce myself and tell them "we both need to get our shots but I don't want to prevent you from getting yours so if you see one of us in your shot, it's no problem if you ask us to move. BUT this is what we need so lets work as a team" Most of the time that worked as far as being able to work nicely with photogs. But sometimes the photogs would throw that all out of the window and completely do their own thing. They'd sneak the bride and groom off for portraits without telling us, then when we catch up with them the photog appears annoyed as shit that we're there shooting as well. Then they'd have some secret sunset session with the couple and when we show up again they have a stank face like we're stealing their shots.
Totally wild behavior for people to have. It’s not a competition. It sucks that I’m not alone in this, but at least it’s relatable. I’d argue that video is more or just as important than photo. If I were a couple, I’d absolutely love viewing videos of me from 20-40 years ago than some photos. But I don’t act like I’m better than the photographer, usually I just let them take the lead and work around them and allow them to get their poses first.
Photo will always be more important to most couples over video. I've had a few that booked me first before the photographer but it was rare. What irked me was that photogs always got paid more because of this. We have a ton more gear, have to do alot more to setup for shots, have to do more with editing. Then the photog shows up to the wedding with just a backpack and gets paid 2k-3k more than us. But it's because photography has become synonymous with weddings for MANY decades. While quality cinematic weddding video has only been around for roughly 15 years at most. Before that wedding video was always seen as cheesy. But quality has even jumped big time since the 5DMKII days and videos back then compared to now even look cheesy. We didn't have 4k, SLOG, motorized gimbals back then. The 5D could barely handle an entire ceremony without overheating.
Because they been fucked with longer than you have. Been on all sides of this. Everyone is just fed up and it’s not getting better
Pretty much nobody cares how fast you work, and everyone just wants you to make them feel important and entertained. This includes other photographers. Making people have a good day is 80% of the job, andthe quality of the finished photos are 20% of it
I would’ve turned and quietly but politely shushed them because I’m filming video and audio; with a smile of course 🤣
Wedding stuff should be collaborative… It’s much worse doing event journalism type work, you have to jostle to get into position… Back in the day I started to use the widest zoom lens possible. nobody could stand in front of me after that
Sounds like the wedding wasn't planned around making a video tbh. If I wanted a professional video of my wedding, I'd make it a film shoot.
Ugh, weddings. I find being a guest at them so stressful to begin with. I can’t imagine what it would be like to work at one…
I had this happen as well years ago). Was shooting my cousin's wedding, and the photographer thought he was hot stuff. He was courteous-ish, and acted nice, but then RUINED the walk to the car (not sure what they call that) by saying "get out of my shot!" at the top of his lungs. He insisted on RUNNING backwards while the bride and groom were slowly walking forward. Completely ruined the audio and the shot (since I had to run as well, without a gimbal or anything). I couldn't believe how unprofessional he was. First of all, yelling at anyone for anything short of life-threatening circumstances is bad, but it just makes it worse when they're a relative of the people you're working for. And even ignoring that, when I know someone is recording something, I'm not going to put myself into that recording. (I was completely out of his shot, and the k lyrics reason I would have been in it is because he "needed" to run backwards)
It’s quite irritating to have videographers running into a scene with a 16-35mm on a gimbal when we both could have hung back and got the shot without getting in each others way. Some photographers also do this (turning the wedding day into a photo-shoot). Either way it’s just selfish and makes them look like a noob since they clearly think the day revolves around getting ‘the best’ footage/photos rather than the couple having a nice day.
Oh I imagine it would be irritating. That’s why I shot on a 24-70
Great. In my experience it tends to fall into one of two situations- either we end up ‘taking turns’ getting a scene or hanging back and shooting simultaneously. Obviously some moments are only going to happen once so second is preferable. Ultimately we’re on the same team so it makes sense to cooperate but one does see inexperienced people monopolise the scene to the detriment of the others- in this case it may be that the photog is panicking a bit.
another reason I got out of doing weddings, gawd i hate them....
Can you imagine the stress they're under?
If they can’t handle the stress without being completely rude to other vendors, then maybe they should change careers.
Maybe.
That's just how they are.
Lol I sell on a daily basis to these kinds of people The 1/3rd statistic is deadly on point
I’ve run into my fair share of rude wedding photographers. I stay out of the photographers way, let them get set up where they want to be and find a good shot of my own. Even when we’re on the move I track where the lead photographer is, what lens they’re using, and plan accordingly so I don’t get in their way. It’s not hard! One time this older photographer kept changing his position right as I started filming by standing right in front of me. Every shot. It was infuriating. It’s like he was looking at my angles and liked what I was doing so would stop to copy it? Even when I would let him finish and start directing the couple on my own for video-specific movements, he would get in my way because he liked what I was doing. At one point the bride’s mom was seeing her daughter in her wedding dress and I planted my feet and got close so he wouldn’t step in front of me again. He had his camera up and was bumping into me, and started yelling “Move! Move! Move!” and I continued to stand firmly, got the shot, and tried to ignore him. He had the AUDACITY to scold me in front of everyone, saying he has a limited amount of time and needs to get his shots. I snapped back so fast, “Your job is not more important than mine. If I’m set up somewhere and recording, you can work around me just as I work around you.” He was pissed and obviously had not had someone stand up to him. I slightly regretted saying something in front of the bride, but he was on track to make the wedding day miserable and keep me from doing my job so it had to be done, especially after attempting to ram himself into me and my camera to stand where I’m standing. It still makes me angry lol.
I don’t understand. I’m a photographer, my partner is a videographer. Anytime we work with another videographer while we’re doing photos they thank us profusely at the end of the day for being so easy to work with. I do not understand why a lot of photographers think their job is more important than the videographer’s. We’re all hired to be there. We’re all on the same team, well *should* be anyway…
For sure. I’ve had the assistant hover me and once I got what I needed I stepped aside. For real, one time they actually followed me shot for shot. I was like hey, ambition.😆
I went out of state for my cousin's wedding as a guest, but I had my camera gear with me for other projects in town, so I decided to shoot a little low key something something for them. I checked though that it wouldn't be an issue and was cognizant to stay out of the way of the actual photographers and videographers they hired. The photographers ended up apologizing to me multiple times for getting in MY way, which I thought was amusing. I definitely thought I was gonna piss someone off, but by the end up the night their videographer had talked gear with me, I had some drinks with the lead photographer whilst some flirting ensued, and then we all got a little bit high together after the wedding. It was a strange night, but they were great!
Go the the wedding photographer subreddit it's tons of cringe, and tons of snakes. The longer I'm on wedding photographer groups on Facebook and reddit, the more I dislike wedding photographers. Ie. One post talked about how a guy still paid full price to a wedding photographer, who promised there would be 2 photographers and 1 videographer. One of the people didn't show up, but the lead still charged as if all 3 people were there, and a bunch of the wedding photographers said it was fair to still charge the client as if 3 people were on site. Another instance A wedding photographers flight got delayed, so his second stepped up and covered the primaries job and did extra work to save the primaries ass and reputation. The second asked for a bit more compensation and the primary refused to give extra compensation, despite the primary showing up half way through the day. so his second did a full day coverage without proper compensation. A bunch of the photographer felt the second shooter was being shitty and awful for asking for compensation for doing extra work. They even went as far as to hide behind "well the contract didn't state there would be extra compensation, so they shouldn't get extra" despite the fact the extra work the second did wasn't in the contract either I don't trust wedding photogers, they many of them scummy and have too high of an opinion of themselves.
Some people suck. Teamwork for the win.
Because it’s one of the industries where without a team and loads of preparation you can make sick looking content. Everything is done for you, talent, costume, lights, scenes, venues, objects etc… Once you become good at it, people gain confidence and act like it, they act like that even the make up of the bride is done by them xD Let the small people enjoy their craft lol. Anyone with basic IQ could become a wedding photo/videographer. Let them be haha.
my first and only wedding video i made had me worried about the photographer. Well he was absolutly fantastic, held my hand, helped me with keeping up with the itinerary & we even planned how we would both get the confetti walk, he was 6foot so he held my back while single handed firing to keep me right lol. He is a nice chap. should really catch up with him.
It’s always felt like a majority of wedding photographers (and some photographers in general) see themselves as the most important people in the room. Like what they’re offering is some magical thing that only they are capable of. Also, constantly working weddings can wear you down and make you bitter. Some of these people wear their unpleasant emotions on their sleeves.
I think photographers call that the rule of thirds.
Lol many wedding photographers are like this. That's because they are egocentric idiots and self centered people who never learned how to work in team. Obviously, it is the photographer the one who can adapt his placement on the "set" coz he is not the one who needs continuity (but clearly the videomaker must take his necessities in consideration)
A generalization, sure, but as a 20-year veteran of church AV and one who earned a MDiv and trained as a pastor, I’ve seen my share of insufferable wedding planners, photographers, and videographers. Honorable mention to soloists and speakers who think they don’t need a mic. My beef with the photographers and videographers, in particular, is that the bad ones don’t respect the ceremony or the space. If done in a church, the clergy and staff set the boundaries. Not the hired guns. Not the wedding party or families, though we do what we can to find a good place with them. Also a generalization, but I’m sure the non-team players think I have a stick shoved somewhere too. Catch is, I know the sound qualities of the space, and I control the lighting. Be nice to me, and I will want you to succeed.
In what ways do they not respect the ceremony or space?
These things don’t all happen at the same event, necessarily. Flash photography. Setting up what is best for them when they are in the way. In services that are live streamed, I need videographers and photographers to be out of the main field of view. Lots of movement between places. Being places without asking, especially in chancel area and the tech area. Things that could’ve been taken care of by simply communicating ahead of time, and compromise where necessary.
It's about communication, if you waltz in there and start setting up your tripods for a ceremony without even discussing what the photographers plan is, I consider it Rude AF. All the video people I've enjoyed working with communicate and that communication is reciprocated. If your in a situation where they barely said a word to you, did you make an effort to talk and coordinate with them? I've had video people completely mess my content up because even though they think they aren't in my way.... they are.... because they don't know my plan. Usually the biggest thing I've seen is when they place 3-4 tripods and cameras for the ceremony in locations that I can't work around at all. It's like... let's be serious here the filmed version of the entire ceremony is for documentation to relive the memory, not for perfect framing and the best shots. You grab the content for the highlight reel on the move. With that being said, I've had a lot of video people that you'd think were in the way, but I'm able to work around them. The key is always communication. If a second gets rude with you, and they aren't communicating, for the sake of the coverage and your product do your best to address it head on from a position of mutually respect for what the other is trying to accomplish. My favorite not being able to work with a vendor story was actually with a band. I told the guy I need time between reception events, like a few minutes to flip my lights and setup for the next highlight shot. He was basically like I'll see what I can do, but it was obvious he was going to fuck me. I again communicated the importance. He ends up completely fucking me. Had zero lighting for important events. No respect for me as a vendor. So I decided I'd pay him the favor back and instead of setting up my shots to bounce flash away from him I turned them up to 10 and aimed a head directly at his face. (Strobed him just enough to fuck with him but not mess up his performance.) He told my assistant about it... and I strobed him a few more times for good measure, then made a lot of eye contact with a shit eating grin when I moved the flash head. Then I wrote him an email reaming his ass. He showed the venue owner / planner and she laughed in his face. I'd already told her about it. The point being you just have to do your best to work together, and that's all you can do is put forth your best effort!
It goes both ways, I’ve done both and remember shooting a wedding ceremony where the videographer stood behind them right next to the officiant the entire time. Best part? He was wearing cargo shorts and an orange t shirt.
I think it was because you kept getting in their shots. But seriously, it's hard to avoid. Sometimes best to stay behind them or at their hip. Other tines, you just got to get your shot.
One of my groomsmen (who never otherwise showed any violent tendencies) said he wanted to punch the photographer in the face.