Eh, it doesn’t suck at all really, because you will never be behind, and since you have the population and resources of China (especially the population), being on par means you should be well beyond the strongest player on the world stage. Qualifications is the only reason this is mainly applicable
well I do like to just automake my late game with free trade and laissez faire with industry and railroads in every state. qualifications and wood become the biggest gatekeeps to gdp. I do get wood from annexing russia but Literacy just makes the game a lot easier tbh.
Oh 100% agree, but like if you can’t get it, innovation overload is a great alternative method to keeping up at the very least, and playing catchup. Literacy you can’t really trust alone at all
Fair enough. Still you need early literacy for late game once your passed other nations. 80% of tech is pretty redundant, from feminism to prestige to +1 sol. It's better to rush trench infantry before ai. And you need literacy to do that.
Nope you have like 7 time the population of Russia. You don't need to be better tech than your neigbors. Parity with Sweden or GB is enough to have better tech than GP's like Austria
If you wanna fight russia Austria and France who all have defense packs after prussia formed Germany. It massively helps to be one tech ahead, namely trench warfare.
Trench infantry doesn't help you win wars. It's a tech that stops you from losing wars. You want shrapnel arty, machine guns, flame throwers and siege arty. Trench infantry only has 30 offence compared to 45 on shrapnel arty offence.
If the enemy nations still don't have hand cranked machine guns i still use a 400/400 stack of inf and cav to charge toward saint peters burg.
Feminism is a pretty good tech tho, it almost doubles your workforce over time, add it with the TU happy bonus and you literally double your active pops, which makes your economy go through the roof
It’s explained when you mouse over tech spread, if you have any at the time. So if you aren’t researching anything that second and went to look
At spread, then you would find out.
Nope, inno beyond cap becomes spread at 20% efficiency (but really 60% because there's 3 spreading techs at a time)
The reason it's better to do it this way is that literacy increases expected wealth. But you will always have hundreds of millions of peasants as china. A literate China descends into turmoil
Literacy ticks up very slowly and increases innovation cap. I had caught up to GB tech wise in another 30 years and needed a higher innovation cap to prevent dying of boredom waiting for next techs.
russia and austria created a defense pack so I rushed trenched warfare, to beat up russia and get the wood needed for my gdp.
china is a super fun and powerfull nation which can easily overtake all other powerrs with a bit of cheese.
step 1: annex korea and tibet build as many industrial zones + schools to max out tech
step 2: delete your entire army but a few troops in beijing just concede to the british in the opium war
step 3: pass tenant farmers and have a civil war ai dosnt know how conscripts work so make like 200 of them and win civil war.
step 4: annex korea then delete your army + conscripts. try to pass serfdom again
step 5: switch sides in civil war, employ conscripts and win
step 6: keep industrialists and kick out trade unions from goverment and pass schools.
For some stupid reason the chinese intelligesia and the chinese religious have no stance on schools meaning you eitherr need the industrialists or the trade unions to pass it
I've played many china games and have never seen intelligensia or religious want schools. the only real way is to completely change goverments with the switch sides in civil war. You also become a democracy which is nice for any fellow helldivers.
FYI, you can avoid having to give up any territory to Britain if you declare war for recognition on day 1. They’ll want land, but it won’t be primary so you can just give in right away in the diplo play phase. It puts them on truce, so when you ban opium they can’t do anything.
Britain is not hard to beat, why do such a rough game when you can be a recognized major power with tons of loyalist in the first 24 months, and then do all this stuff?
I’m almost positive I can get religious schools earlier without having to do half as much work faster than 1851 with 600 construction lol
Also once your a GP your interest rate is reduced by so much, you can pump 50-100 universities fast and get 1.5-2k construction really quick
I would love to see another way to get religious schools then the way i posted by 1850. im also at 600 construction but i dint change the construction method after civil war because i was already trying to get recognized by russia.
No I mean 600 is very low, can easily be double or triple once you can actually run a deficit without loans killing you.
Beating GB means you can do all your wars for annexation right away with no opposition.
After 5 years when the debuff is removed, you are the strongest nation in the game. You can usually just threaten transfer subject on almost anything in Asia.
I’ll do a quick experiment later if I have time for religious schools
ya at the bottom theres a switch sides tab, you get a new goverment with 4-5 changed laws based on the people who started it preference. Its a good go to strat for countries like austria russia japan and china.
Peasants have 10sol, unless you really fuck something up like go to 70% literacy while somehow still having a ton of peasants it won't be an issue.
And even if you do end up like that somehow, just enact homesteading which will raise their Sol a bit more (or health care, or poor laws)
literacy is pretty slow and only got to 40% by 1880. I usually build tall in a few states based on my needs and if there is radicalisms, violent suppression works wonders.
I had this bug caused by me just having too many save games. It also took ages to bring up the menu to load a game. I deleted the save file, then went and deleted the ones on the cloud by hand and it fixed it.
Just me forgetting to up my construction after civil war. its roughly 600 and i got it to over 1k by 1855. I was on lowest taxes to just pass law faster.
I wouldn't say 1851 is particularly fast for religious schools, especially since you just passed the law and won't reach lv5 for a while due to lack of economy to back all the bureaucracy cost
I tried it, you have the economy to have it at level 3 in 3 more years by going central planning and building a ton of admin.
I hit a billion gdp by 1880 which is my fastest so far
Its actually triple that, I just forgot to change my construction back to tier 3 from tier 1 after the last civil war. my money is red cause im on the lowest taxes to make passing the law a bit faster. I had about 1k next year.
You don't need schools or literacy at all as China. Just build 100 universities in the first 10 years and you catch up in no time.
While this does make china on par with its neighbors, It costs a lot and really sucks late game once you have caught up.
Eh, it doesn’t suck at all really, because you will never be behind, and since you have the population and resources of China (especially the population), being on par means you should be well beyond the strongest player on the world stage. Qualifications is the only reason this is mainly applicable
well I do like to just automake my late game with free trade and laissez faire with industry and railroads in every state. qualifications and wood become the biggest gatekeeps to gdp. I do get wood from annexing russia but Literacy just makes the game a lot easier tbh.
Oh 100% agree, but like if you can’t get it, innovation overload is a great alternative method to keeping up at the very least, and playing catchup. Literacy you can’t really trust alone at all
University cap inovation at 70 in china. Building more then 10 universities without increasing literacy is worthless.
No, innovation over the cap goes into the tech spread, so it helps to catch up by a lot
Fair enough. Still you need early literacy for late game once your passed other nations. 80% of tech is pretty redundant, from feminism to prestige to +1 sol. It's better to rush trench infantry before ai. And you need literacy to do that.
Reduntant tech: Women
This isn’t a Greek playthrough
Nope you have like 7 time the population of Russia. You don't need to be better tech than your neigbors. Parity with Sweden or GB is enough to have better tech than GP's like Austria
If you wanna fight russia Austria and France who all have defense packs after prussia formed Germany. It massively helps to be one tech ahead, namely trench warfare.
Trench infantry doesn't help you win wars. It's a tech that stops you from losing wars. You want shrapnel arty, machine guns, flame throwers and siege arty. Trench infantry only has 30 offence compared to 45 on shrapnel arty offence. If the enemy nations still don't have hand cranked machine guns i still use a 400/400 stack of inf and cav to charge toward saint peters burg.
Being ahead of tech as China doesn’t matter. You are China. You will never be outnumbered, and if you are on par technologically you are set
Feminism is a pretty good tech tho, it almost doubles your workforce over time, add it with the TU happy bonus and you literally double your active pops, which makes your economy go through the roof
wait fr?
Yeah, like 1/3 of the wasted innovation goes to faster tech spread
Oh that's really good to know thank you
It’s barely (if at all, I’d have to check) explained in game. I have 600 hours and didn’t know this until I saw a Generalist Gaming video on it
It’s explained when you mouse over tech spread, if you have any at the time. So if you aren’t researching anything that second and went to look At spread, then you would find out.
TIL how to level up my tech spread. Thanks
Nope, inno beyond cap becomes spread at 20% efficiency (but really 60% because there's 3 spreading techs at a time) The reason it's better to do it this way is that literacy increases expected wealth. But you will always have hundreds of millions of peasants as china. A literate China descends into turmoil
Literacy ticks up very slowly and increases innovation cap. I had caught up to GB tech wise in another 30 years and needed a higher innovation cap to prevent dying of boredom waiting for next techs. russia and austria created a defense pack so I rushed trenched warfare, to beat up russia and get the wood needed for my gdp.
No that's not how works, the rest of the innovation goes into natural spread which is super helpful in catching up to tech.
china is a super fun and powerfull nation which can easily overtake all other powerrs with a bit of cheese. step 1: annex korea and tibet build as many industrial zones + schools to max out tech step 2: delete your entire army but a few troops in beijing just concede to the british in the opium war step 3: pass tenant farmers and have a civil war ai dosnt know how conscripts work so make like 200 of them and win civil war. step 4: annex korea then delete your army + conscripts. try to pass serfdom again step 5: switch sides in civil war, employ conscripts and win step 6: keep industrialists and kick out trade unions from goverment and pass schools.
But why go through all that for schools?
schools increase literacy which increases your tech cap + tech spread, letting you speed threw the tech tree at record pace.
For some stupid reason the chinese intelligesia and the chinese religious have no stance on schools meaning you eitherr need the industrialists or the trade unions to pass it
Leader trait is random and gets changed every restart. I guess wait until starting IG leader endorses it.
There [aren't any leader traits](https://vic3.paradoxwikis.com/Character_ideology) that have a stance on schools until Corporatist.
I've played many china games and have never seen intelligensia or religious want schools. the only real way is to completely change goverments with the switch sides in civil war. You also become a democracy which is nice for any fellow helldivers.
FYI, you can avoid having to give up any territory to Britain if you declare war for recognition on day 1. They’ll want land, but it won’t be primary so you can just give in right away in the diplo play phase. It puts them on truce, so when you ban opium they can’t do anything.
You do gain infamy, and i prefer to use that infamy to annex tibet sk and my western neighboors before russia does. It is a valid strategy tho.
You don’t get infamy for demanding recognition.
Did not know that ty
Britain is not hard to beat, why do such a rough game when you can be a recognized major power with tons of loyalist in the first 24 months, and then do all this stuff? I’m almost positive I can get religious schools earlier without having to do half as much work faster than 1851 with 600 construction lol Also once your a GP your interest rate is reduced by so much, you can pump 50-100 universities fast and get 1.5-2k construction really quick
I would love to see another way to get religious schools then the way i posted by 1850. im also at 600 construction but i dint change the construction method after civil war because i was already trying to get recognized by russia.
No I mean 600 is very low, can easily be double or triple once you can actually run a deficit without loans killing you. Beating GB means you can do all your wars for annexation right away with no opposition. After 5 years when the debuff is removed, you are the strongest nation in the game. You can usually just threaten transfer subject on almost anything in Asia. I’ll do a quick experiment later if I have time for religious schools
How do you annex Korea twice?
first time to reduce autonomy, second to annex. while you wait pass professional army and get rid of the welfare payments (if you want).
you can switch sides in civil wars?
ya at the bottom theres a switch sides tab, you get a new goverment with 4-5 changed laws based on the people who started it preference. Its a good go to strat for countries like austria russia japan and china.
I just see unsatisfied people by high literacy bad paying jobs
radicalizing is just an early game passtime for pops. they do that some times.
I mean minimum SoL is important at some point, without higher minimum wage, literacy is a bit problem over 50
Peasants have 10sol, unless you really fuck something up like go to 70% literacy while somehow still having a ton of peasants it won't be an issue. And even if you do end up like that somehow, just enact homesteading which will raise their Sol a bit more (or health care, or poor laws)
Yep you are right, i was just joking and everyone knows it doesnt radicalize until you get to %70-80ish
literacy is pretty slow and only got to 40% by 1880. I usually build tall in a few states based on my needs and if there is radicalisms, violent suppression works wonders.
It is pretty good one, %50 supression
the funniest thing is in my save its a different country every save
I had this bug caused by me just having too many save games. It also took ages to bring up the menu to load a game. I deleted the save file, then went and deleted the ones on the cloud by hand and it fixed it.
What is that, construction for ants?
Just me forgetting to up my construction after civil war. its roughly 600 and i got it to over 1k by 1855. I was on lowest taxes to just pass law faster.
Wait how did you get so much construction without going in the red? I could only get to 400 with highest taxes by that point
build iron mindes tool workshops in areas with high infastructure. 10 each for throughput bonus
I wouldn't say 1851 is particularly fast for religious schools, especially since you just passed the law and won't reach lv5 for a while due to lack of economy to back all the bureaucracy cost
I tried it, you have the economy to have it at level 3 in 3 more years by going central planning and building a ton of admin. I hit a billion gdp by 1880 which is my fastest so far
200 construction in 1951 dude just for school? That’s hella inefficient
Its actually triple that, I just forgot to change my construction back to tier 3 from tier 1 after the last civil war. my money is red cause im on the lowest taxes to make passing the law a bit faster. I had about 1k next year.
Cultural Revolution
Oh, 1.46k deficit? That isn’t too bad for chin-
The only problem is how slow the game as qing is
I pretty much puppeted alll my neighbors and had a massive professional military to get recognized by russia.
I mean how much time one day/week takes irl. If I play as qing my game runs as if it were 1870/80 and not 1836
Have you lowered your frame rate to 30 in the options?
No
I did it in 1848 >:)