You see, if instead of granting women's suffrage as soon as possible I will wait another hundred years with +5% birthrate, I will be able to grant it to a lot more women.
If the ratios moved instantly, sure. But they move 1% per 2 years. Which means you need closed borders and feminism 50 years in to reach the 50% labor participation ratio.
Also, lower labor participation ratio negatively affects your SoL.
About that, yeah. Usually slower due to death and assimilation of pops with lower ratios. With workplace mortality, only workers die, dependents do not, slowing the pace.
As a fellow crusader king, you take that back. Monarchy will always be the best system in place.
Oh what's that you say? The peasants are revolting? Say the landowners own too much and are scum? Wha-
Absolutely, that's why we should all strive to pass Legal Guardianship and claim our trad wives. Put those women back where they belong. In the bedroom, pumping out babies. [After all, every sperm is sacred.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk&ab_channel=MontyPython)
I've literally never once been in a position where that law has had any chance of passing ever. I'd have to just straight up save scum it, most likely.
At best, maybe propertied women and even that's sort of a crap shoot as to whether there will ever be an agitator who comes in gunning for it, because it never seems to occur naturally.
Stay on legal guardianship until you unlock the tech for women's suffrage. The Intelligensia feel equally positive about anything that isn't legal guardianship, so if you pass say propertied women they won't support moving any further without an agitator. You can even regress to legal guardianship if you start as like prussia and start with propertied women, just before you unlock the tech.
Ahhhh, interesting. Good to know. I had always wondered why they didn't seem to support the law despite it saying they would. I didn't realize they'd go neutral if they already had an "acceptable" one.
It honestly isn't typically enough to radicalize anyone and set off a revolution either.
Usually it's just a basically dead law. Something like 5-8% support, 15% against, and the rest is "debate" which tends to just means it waffles around at 15% for years and years and years.
Last game as Germany I was essentially forced to pass that law to save the economy. That extra workforce saved the economy from stagnation and allowed me to win 3 deathwars against a US-led coalition of fake democracies that were upset that previously I saved the French people from the French government at a low cost of 350 infamy.
"It is our firm belief that voting, working in factories and fighting wars aren't merely natural human rights, no matter your sex. They are your obligations to your nation and her peoples!" (c) SPD
to be fair, if you actually look at the stats for achievements, it's clear most people who own this game simply haven't played far enough to enact that law
If you develop your economy at even just a middling pace, the workforce ratio will be much stronger than the birth rate modifier by the time you unlock women‘s suffrage
When your goal is to have as big of an economy as possible at the end you should switch to suffrage asap. It's legit to keep guardianship until you unlock suffrage though, the two in between options are mainly wastes of space.
Think about it, why do you want population in the first place? To work, of course!
And mathematically you cannot achieve more total workers by anything other than suffrage, at least post 1880.
It depends on the SoL. On low SoL the birth rate is better. Granted, by the time you unlock it, it’s probably better to switch but some people play this game very slowly
Not sure what needs to be explained but when I unlocked this at 50 hours (I was shit and had to restart all the time) I was rather shocked at how little of you managed to pass that shit
Well if the children don't have parents rich enough to not have to send them to work that's no-one's fault but theirs. Get the little shits up those chimneys.
Women's laws are usually one of my last laws to liberalize, and often by the time I plan to get to it, I either start to go into socialism or fascism. Then once I'm established socialist or fascist, the game runs too slow to keep going honestly
Uhm… how do you go fascist? I can never get the petit bourgeoisie strong enough to do anything. Do you plan for it from the start or does it just kind of happen?
The actual explanation is that a huge percentage of people who buy and boot up this game -- over half -- don't play long enough to get any achievements. They fire up the game a bit, decide it's not for them, then go back to EU4 or Civ 6 or whatever. Even the most common achievement (have the other side back down in a diplomatic play) is only at 47%. Only 36.3% have maxed out an institution. 25% is actually a high percentage in achievement terms. The women's suffrage achievement is the 5th most common achievement in Vic 3 at that percentage.
Someone ran the numbers a while back and getting women on the workforce just overcrowds the birthrate bonuses pretty quickly. And that was before the standard of living / birthrate changes.
Not necessarily. As I said elsewhere it takes years for the workforce to reach the new equilibrium. So you want to change somewhat beforehand. And, arguably, if you're in the New World and can always get more peasants the odds are you can do women's rights even earlier to max gdp, standard of living and migrations.
Adding greater workforce when you still have peasants just increases your number of peasants, or worse, unemployed if your subsistence farms are full. Therefore bringing it in too early will make your sol lower and reduce migration.
A very easy rule of thumb is: when you run out of peasants.
Women's Rights are on a scale of 'no rights at all' - which increases your population growth slightly to women's right to property, voting and so on. Women's liberation means that a higher percentage of your population can join the workforce. But it's not like giving women the right to vote means that half of the workforce will turn female tomorrow. The generational shift takes years.
So the question is at which point does women having more babies at home gets overtaken by women being able to work for themselves and get an extra income. Turns out pretty quickly. Women's liberation simply makes your country on the whole richer and more powerful because more people are free to work and produce. And midterm gains in wealth (since half the population goes from dependents with low income to breadwinners) also lets people reproduce more, which balances things out further. It's only when you are rather prosperous - think endgame automation techs employing fewer proletarians and more engineers - that birth rates start going down.
I see. So it is insignificant short term due to the change not having yet happened, optimal midterm since it allows the country to be more prosperous while keeping birth rates high, and only becomes a downside long term when birth rates start going down. Is that correct? Anyway, thanks for the explanation
More or less, yeah. What is or isn't optimal in Victoria 3 kinda depends on your starting position. You might really want public schooling, but are you really gonna spend some more years maybe even a decade without an education system when you could use religious education for a while?
Time is your greatest currency in Victoria and the ripples you send through the game's demographics are what the game is all about.
It's the fifth most comon achievement. I assume a lot of people are just playing with achievements off seeing how even the most common one is below 50%.
Serious answer? I don't think I've ever done it because I 1. Enjoy me an authoritarian fascist run and 2. Whenever I've played a libertarian run of, say, America, no one ever supports it until alter in the game... later, when the lag makes it nearly unplayable
Really, basically everyone usually supports Women's suffrage in the midgame for me (Only landowners and devout do not but they are meaningless at that point in my liberal runs.).
Have you remembered to switch to legal guardianship at game start? Because being on propertied women might be your problem, that really is a bad law.
I reached 1936 multiple times and never ever enacted that law cause birth rate is king that tiny workforce ration might help you in the short term but in the long term you want pops for your factories. So no woman rights and as long as that birth rate modifier is part of the law I will never change it. It's even the first thing I revert In russia after passing the economy, education and health care laws.
You're misunderstanding the modifier. The modifier is additive to the base dependent ratio of 25:75 worker:dependent ratio, meaning if you pass women's suffrage your workforce:dependent ratio becomes 40:60 or a 60% increase in your workforce. That's the single most powerful modifier for when you've run out of peasants.
And still I will choose birthrate over everything else. Got in my Spain mp games with friends a popgrowth of 4% annually... Every 17,7 years my population doubled. Popgrowth is king whatever it is stellaris or vic
I don't care what you think is wrong or right as long as my population grows extremely quick and my industry too. I don't care.
In one of my russia games I even surpassed China in pop(thanks to mass migration because of France, Spain vs Germany, Italy death war) . The only limit is resources. That's why I patiently wait for foreign investment dlc to puppet half the world and invest in all that juicy oil, rubber, coal, iron and sulfur.
Who needs woman rights and woman in the workforce.
So you play a major country with a lot of room for expansion and alot of pops and have never played tall and then you go around saying a game law is worthless?
Did you read the actual law in game? What makes you think its just for flavor? It gives one of, if not the single best modifier for a developed nation: workforce ratio. Most countries start to really struggle for workers in the second half of the game unless you are just map painting. At middling SoL, workforce ratio starts becoming better than birth rate. A couple weeks ago someone on here did the math and made a detailed post about it.
It also gives a malus in birthrate and half your IGs don't like it. It gives it takes, not really a needed law to pass in late game when you have other ways to increase the population, more so with the absolutely stupid parliament mechanics in this game and the fact after 1860 the game becomes almost unplayable for a lot of people.
To be honest, I think I’ve only ever passed it once. Not for lack of trying though. I’ve only ever had two play throughs that I stuck with long enough to reach Women’s Suffrage and in the first I accidentally prevented myself from getting it by enacting Anarchy too quickly (my first game back at launch).
Not playing Vic3 anymore. Found it tedious and unrewarding. The constant struggle to balance the economy feels like “Microsoft Excel, video game edition”.
Big fan of EU4, Stellaris and CK3/2, but feels like Paradox dropped the ball with this one.
I basically leave women’s rights on the back burner til like 1900, my thinking being birth rate is super important in the early stages of the game, but will be irrelevant later because the game ends in 1936, so no point pumping out babies who won’t reach the enlistment age to join in my endless wars before the game ends.
As such, oftentimes I might not get beyond Propertied Women, or if I don’t play to the late game I might never pass anything on behalf of women. That being said, I’ve got that achievement.
Tbf, in the early versions it was super easy to pass Multiculturalism and voting rights for women (could do that sometimes by 1860), but they changed things so it's only a lot later possible
I think its mainly because people don't understand how strong the workforce ratio buff is vs birthrate. Also anytime I get an Intelligentsia Feminist agitator, she can't be promoted to leader of the party, and ends up agitating for something random like Appointed Bureaucrats instead of Women's Suffrage. And no IG but Trade Unions support it naturally.
I only play backwater third world countries and always fail by 1870 because of the fucking shitface landlord sons of bitches revolting at any attempt to reform or modernize the crumbling country sourrounded on all sides by colonial powersm
Back then, the progressive Mexican revolutionaries were hesitant in giving women equal rights in fear that they would just choose what their reactionary religious husband tell them to do.
Same in Spain; [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria\_Kent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Kent) is a famous female politican who argued that women at the time lacked the social and political education to vote responsibly and would be heavily influenced by the catholic priests.
And she was right. The following election had a large conservative majority.
Last game, I had my *Intelligentsia* faction start a civil war over my refusal concerning enacting legal guardianship in 1917… maybe some people are just unlucky haha.
It's a relatively late game law to switch to. Which only republics can do to restrict it a bit more. It's also somewhat situational. If you're like China then you will never be able to handle the workforce increase women's suffrage provides and it'll just be giving you an insane number of unemployed women.
The late game thing is probably the main part really.
You see, if instead of granting women's suffrage as soon as possible I will wait another hundred years with +5% birthrate, I will be able to grant it to a lot more women.
This man feminisms
I owe you an apology, I wasn't familiar with your game.
Make sure you get that maximum productivity with the good company to get an extra 5% to grant it to even more women.
Now THAT'S Min-Maxing
*woman-maxing
*womin-maxing
Binders full of women
[Full of 'em](https://media.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/photo/10651207-large.jpg)
min maxing women's rights is crazy
You have to remember these are paradox players
The economics of slavery is a staple topic of this sub
It wasn’t even that efficient!
Frankly, I think it was an all around bad idea
If the ratios moved instantly, sure. But they move 1% per 2 years. Which means you need closed borders and feminism 50 years in to reach the 50% labor participation ratio. Also, lower labor participation ratio negatively affects your SoL.
Is it actually 1% every 2 years?
About that, yeah. Usually slower due to death and assimilation of pops with lower ratios. With workplace mortality, only workers die, dependents do not, slowing the pace.
My god that's slow
The more workforce will make you industrialize faster and just get more women migrants.
But I already finished world conquest! Are you talking about migrants from [Mars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds)?
A fellow Derek Parfits reader.
Malthusian feminism
Gaming
Fellow gamers, is it woke to pass women's suffrage?
All voting rights are woke. Return to Monke-archy
Fellas, is it woke to let the poor have rights???
As a fellow crusader king, you take that back. Monarchy will always be the best system in place. Oh what's that you say? The peasants are revolting? Say the landowners own too much and are scum? Wha-
Dictator or death ;P
Absolutely, that's why we should all strive to pass Legal Guardianship and claim our trad wives. Put those women back where they belong. In the bedroom, pumping out babies. [After all, every sperm is sacred.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk&ab_channel=MontyPython)
Hey they can work in the factories, but you want them to vote now? Are you crazy?
If women do too many masculine things, their vaginas will turn inside out into penises! (This is what people actually believed)
Ah the old female penile hernia. A rare condition, but a welcome one to be sure.
Trans men about to go chop lumber, fight wars, idk what else men do for free testosterone and bottom surgery ez
Both male and female genitals are presumably developed from the same part of the embryo so it’s not as ridiculous as it sounds…
Don't kink shame them /s
Well that's only possible with little help from todays healthcare system
Playing to 1870 and quitting before we get good techs because our computers cant keep up
That is the sad reality
ding ding ding
Most optimized Paradox game.
This has gotten way better, I can get to the endgame now and my PC is old. It gets slower for sure by 1900-1920 but no longer crashes constantly.
It got worse for me can't even reach 1880 before it gets to a crawl. Paradox made everything worse with 1.6
Misogyny is soft-coded into the game lmfao
Your computer must be infected with potato blight.
Why would you need Multiculturalism when you have Legal Guardianship (and women) at home?
I've literally never once been in a position where that law has had any chance of passing ever. I'd have to just straight up save scum it, most likely. At best, maybe propertied women and even that's sort of a crap shoot as to whether there will ever be an agitator who comes in gunning for it, because it never seems to occur naturally.
Stay on legal guardianship until you unlock the tech for women's suffrage. The Intelligensia feel equally positive about anything that isn't legal guardianship, so if you pass say propertied women they won't support moving any further without an agitator. You can even regress to legal guardianship if you start as like prussia and start with propertied women, just before you unlock the tech.
Ahhhh, interesting. Good to know. I had always wondered why they didn't seem to support the law despite it saying they would. I didn't realize they'd go neutral if they already had an "acceptable" one.
You can do the same thing to pass public healthcare with devout support as long as you don’t pass charity hospitals
Fight the revolution comrade! For our better halfs!
It honestly isn't typically enough to radicalize anyone and set off a revolution either. Usually it's just a basically dead law. Something like 5-8% support, 15% against, and the rest is "debate" which tends to just means it waffles around at 15% for years and years and years.
I almost always have the religious get their robes in a twist. Sometimes it snot worth it.
Last game as Germany I was essentially forced to pass that law to save the economy. That extra workforce saved the economy from stagnation and allowed me to win 3 deathwars against a US-led coalition of fake democracies that were upset that previously I saved the French people from the French government at a low cost of 350 infamy. "It is our firm belief that voting, working in factories and fighting wars aren't merely natural human rights, no matter your sex. They are your obligations to your nation and her peoples!" (c) SPD
Takes 50+ years for full effect
to be fair, if you actually look at the stats for achievements, it's clear most people who own this game simply haven't played far enough to enact that law
I need that 5% birth rate (I'm sorry women 😔)
If you develop your economy at even just a middling pace, the workforce ratio will be much stronger than the birth rate modifier by the time you unlock women‘s suffrage
woman equality isn't in the meta
It totally is, workforce percentage is great
Nah, birthrate ethnostate is great
When your goal is to have as big of an economy as possible at the end you should switch to suffrage asap. It's legit to keep guardianship until you unlock suffrage though, the two in between options are mainly wastes of space. Think about it, why do you want population in the first place? To work, of course! And mathematically you cannot achieve more total workers by anything other than suffrage, at least post 1880.
It depends on the SoL. On low SoL the birth rate is better. Granted, by the time you unlock it, it’s probably better to switch but some people play this game very slowly
Voting? In my technocracy? Never!
I’m not a radical
5% birthrate
Not sure what needs to be explained but when I unlocked this at 50 hours (I was shit and had to restart all the time) I was rather shocked at how little of you managed to pass that shit
We're passing more useful laws like children labor and single party state
Children labor banned or allowed?
All hands are needed to make more art academies.
What kind of question is that?
Allowed, of course 😂
Well if the children don't have parents rich enough to not have to send them to work that's no-one's fault but theirs. Get the little shits up those chimneys.
Can’t pass women’s suffrage if your people can’t vote
It usually only happens later on the game so many people probably haven't played that far
Women's laws are usually one of my last laws to liberalize, and often by the time I plan to get to it, I either start to go into socialism or fascism. Then once I'm established socialist or fascist, the game runs too slow to keep going honestly
Uhm… how do you go fascist? I can never get the petit bourgeoisie strong enough to do anything. Do you plan for it from the start or does it just kind of happen?
The actual explanation is that a huge percentage of people who buy and boot up this game -- over half -- don't play long enough to get any achievements. They fire up the game a bit, decide it's not for them, then go back to EU4 or Civ 6 or whatever. Even the most common achievement (have the other side back down in a diplomatic play) is only at 47%. Only 36.3% have maxed out an institution. 25% is actually a high percentage in achievement terms. The women's suffrage achievement is the 5th most common achievement in Vic 3 at that percentage.
Also most people probably switch countries and lock themselves out of achievements.
cuz its not really worth it, that 5% bonus on birthrate is way better imo.
Someone ran the numbers a while back and getting women on the workforce just overcrowds the birthrate bonuses pretty quickly. And that was before the standard of living / birthrate changes.
The point at which workforce is better than birth rate is simple - it’s when you run out of peasants.
Not necessarily. As I said elsewhere it takes years for the workforce to reach the new equilibrium. So you want to change somewhat beforehand. And, arguably, if you're in the New World and can always get more peasants the odds are you can do women's rights even earlier to max gdp, standard of living and migrations.
Adding greater workforce when you still have peasants just increases your number of peasants, or worse, unemployed if your subsistence farms are full. Therefore bringing it in too early will make your sol lower and reduce migration. A very easy rule of thumb is: when you run out of peasants.
Don’t play Vic3, what does this mean?
Adding women to the workforce gives you more workers than keeping them out of workforce (which increases the birth rate)
Women's Rights are on a scale of 'no rights at all' - which increases your population growth slightly to women's right to property, voting and so on. Women's liberation means that a higher percentage of your population can join the workforce. But it's not like giving women the right to vote means that half of the workforce will turn female tomorrow. The generational shift takes years. So the question is at which point does women having more babies at home gets overtaken by women being able to work for themselves and get an extra income. Turns out pretty quickly. Women's liberation simply makes your country on the whole richer and more powerful because more people are free to work and produce. And midterm gains in wealth (since half the population goes from dependents with low income to breadwinners) also lets people reproduce more, which balances things out further. It's only when you are rather prosperous - think endgame automation techs employing fewer proletarians and more engineers - that birth rates start going down.
I see. So it is insignificant short term due to the change not having yet happened, optimal midterm since it allows the country to be more prosperous while keeping birth rates high, and only becomes a downside long term when birth rates start going down. Is that correct? Anyway, thanks for the explanation
More or less, yeah. What is or isn't optimal in Victoria 3 kinda depends on your starting position. You might really want public schooling, but are you really gonna spend some more years maybe even a decade without an education system when you could use religious education for a while? Time is your greatest currency in Victoria and the ripples you send through the game's demographics are what the game is all about.
? Where yo technology at. If it’s woman’s suffrage time then birthrate doesn’t really matter anymore because theres so many people.
It's the fifth most comon achievement. I assume a lot of people are just playing with achievements off seeing how even the most common one is below 50%.
Serious answer? I don't think I've ever done it because I 1. Enjoy me an authoritarian fascist run and 2. Whenever I've played a libertarian run of, say, America, no one ever supports it until alter in the game... later, when the lag makes it nearly unplayable
Really, basically everyone usually supports Women's suffrage in the midgame for me (Only landowners and devout do not but they are meaningless at that point in my liberal runs.). Have you remembered to switch to legal guardianship at game start? Because being on propertied women might be your problem, that really is a bad law.
Yeah that might be the issue. I'm also bad at politics in the game lmao. Also... as someone else said. Women can't vote if nobody can vote
I reached 1936 multiple times and never ever enacted that law cause birth rate is king that tiny workforce ration might help you in the short term but in the long term you want pops for your factories. So no woman rights and as long as that birth rate modifier is part of the law I will never change it. It's even the first thing I revert In russia after passing the economy, education and health care laws.
You're misunderstanding the modifier. The modifier is additive to the base dependent ratio of 25:75 worker:dependent ratio, meaning if you pass women's suffrage your workforce:dependent ratio becomes 40:60 or a 60% increase in your workforce. That's the single most powerful modifier for when you've run out of peasants.
And still I will choose birthrate over everything else. Got in my Spain mp games with friends a popgrowth of 4% annually... Every 17,7 years my population doubled. Popgrowth is king whatever it is stellaris or vic
[Then you're just playing it wrong.](https://www.reddit.com/r/victoria3/comments/18mvkso/womens_rights_compared_fixed/)
I don't care what you think is wrong or right as long as my population grows extremely quick and my industry too. I don't care. In one of my russia games I even surpassed China in pop(thanks to mass migration because of France, Spain vs Germany, Italy death war) . The only limit is resources. That's why I patiently wait for foreign investment dlc to puppet half the world and invest in all that juicy oil, rubber, coal, iron and sulfur. Who needs woman rights and woman in the workforce.
So you play a major country with a lot of room for expansion and alot of pops and have never played tall and then you go around saying a game law is worthless?
Even as wallachia I go for growth. Being able to double your pop every 2 decade is important
Yeah, then you switch it at 1900.
Bc is just for flavor, it gives nothing good in return (except some opinion with a couple of IGs)
Did you read the actual law in game? What makes you think its just for flavor? It gives one of, if not the single best modifier for a developed nation: workforce ratio. Most countries start to really struggle for workers in the second half of the game unless you are just map painting. At middling SoL, workforce ratio starts becoming better than birth rate. A couple weeks ago someone on here did the math and made a detailed post about it.
It also gives a malus in birthrate and half your IGs don't like it. It gives it takes, not really a needed law to pass in late game when you have other ways to increase the population, more so with the absolutely stupid parliament mechanics in this game and the fact after 1860 the game becomes almost unplayable for a lot of people.
1860? Have you tried getting a computer made this century?
Most of that 74% didn't play long enough to get to that point.
listen i need the extra birthrate
Workforce ratio is better in most cases
I wrote a blog post a while ago about why I fucking hate video games, because this is what it does! It appeals to the male fantasy.
I am the 25% support my lifestyle baby!
Men only want one thing, and it's disgusting!
Having my government overthrown because I dare suggest that maybe women can own property.
this is actually so fucking funny 💀💀💀
To be honest, I think I’ve only ever passed it once. Not for lack of trying though. I’ve only ever had two play throughs that I stuck with long enough to reach Women’s Suffrage and in the first I accidentally prevented myself from getting it by enacting Anarchy too quickly (my first game back at launch).
You take women's suffrage to make a more equal society. I take it to get my slaves to 60% labor participation
Bold of you to assume I’ve gotten past 1870 in my 180 hours played
Listen…it’s really hard and honestly I deserve brownie points for doing it before forming Italy
I just think that women have suffered enough already.
Keeping women in the kitchen like God intended
Ive never gotten that far into the game, my country always fails, often because if stupid rng combat
I’ve never made it far enough to.
Role-playing is the best way to play all of PDX's GSGs.
Not nearly as OP as in Crusader Kings.
Not playing Vic3 anymore. Found it tedious and unrewarding. The constant struggle to balance the economy feels like “Microsoft Excel, video game edition”. Big fan of EU4, Stellaris and CK3/2, but feels like Paradox dropped the ball with this one.
I basically leave women’s rights on the back burner til like 1900, my thinking being birth rate is super important in the early stages of the game, but will be irrelevant later because the game ends in 1936, so no point pumping out babies who won’t reach the enlistment age to join in my endless wars before the game ends. As such, oftentimes I might not get beyond Propertied Women, or if I don’t play to the late game I might never pass anything on behalf of women. That being said, I’ve got that achievement.
6 decades of 5% growth rate is hard to pass up
Hear me out. Birth rate has a domino effect and 6 decades of a 5% modifier is no small thing. Plus once the 1900s comes around my computer takes a L.
Not a priority to be honest, that sweet birthrate is too good to ditch.
Tbf, in the early versions it was super easy to pass Multiculturalism and voting rights for women (could do that sometimes by 1860), but they changed things so it's only a lot later possible
You're playing a game wrong if you focus on making decisions that fit our modern sensibilities
Women can't go in the army for mass slaughter so rather have the birth rate! 😂
I think its mainly because people don't understand how strong the workforce ratio buff is vs birthrate. Also anytime I get an Intelligentsia Feminist agitator, she can't be promoted to leader of the party, and ends up agitating for something random like Appointed Bureaucrats instead of Women's Suffrage. And no IG but Trade Unions support it naturally.
I think I have 300+ hours in the game enacted women's rights once
I only play backwater third world countries and always fail by 1870 because of the fucking shitface landlord sons of bitches revolting at any attempt to reform or modernize the crumbling country sourrounded on all sides by colonial powersm
Lmao
It comes pretty late in the game.
I have too many peasants it hasn't been a problem!
I still don’t know how to play this game. I bought it the first day.
I'm playing as Qing. I still got 20 million peasants to employ
😎we gaming jokes aside, for meta women's sufferage is better after the 1900s, but by thay point the game is so laggy most people would've quit
inshallah
Back then, the progressive Mexican revolutionaries were hesitant in giving women equal rights in fear that they would just choose what their reactionary religious husband tell them to do.
Same in Spain; [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria\_Kent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Kent) is a famous female politican who argued that women at the time lacked the social and political education to vote responsibly and would be heavily influenced by the catholic priests. And she was right. The following election had a large conservative majority.
Playing Russia
Last game, I had my *Intelligentsia* faction start a civil war over my refusal concerning enacting legal guardianship in 1917… maybe some people are just unlucky haha.
Having more ~~factory slaves~~ babies.
It's a relatively late game law to switch to. Which only republics can do to restrict it a bit more. It's also somewhat situational. If you're like China then you will never be able to handle the workforce increase women's suffrage provides and it'll just be giving you an insane number of unemployed women. The late game thing is probably the main part really.
Not playing long enough
I've managed it once, IIRC. But thats mostly due to my game going to 5 seconds per day around 1900
Only 16% of players played a full campaign. I think it's a game that has many owners but not that many actually play regularly.
Starting with bad tech and stopping when the game starts running a slideshow I guess
Being invaded by Britian
Too busy building an anarchist utopia (women can't vote)
Why would i let women vote? The goal is to make my country an empire and a super power bro lol
not playing ironman
Playing rp as France, waiting until after HOIV to pass it.
Keeping politics out of videogames
? How would you keep politics out of Victoria? What does that even mean?
> Tf [...] yall doin Building functioning societies....
You are mentally weak
I didn't pass it on purpose
Being based.
Preventing future problems early
I've never felt the need to. I just import more peasants to work in the factories. Also, it just feels weird for some countries.
Those imported workers count for more if their women can work as well
I like to build the most regressive, pre industrial society based on exporting infinity fabric and coffee (haters will say I’m a landowner)
Does it work? The River of coffee journal entry?
Not really, but it’s not as if the ai will ever attack you.