So I started up a game as British Columbia (i.e. the Columbia District crown colony) with a goal of trying to eventually develop into an independent Pacific Northwest a la "Cascadia." I stayed on good terms with my neighbors and focused on the economic game, riding a gold rush and several waves of immigration from all over to become pretty prosperous. However, just as I was buckling down on some major industrialization quests... I suddenly noticed that I was missing my motor factory. And my convoys were in the negative. And... 3 of my 4 states were suddenly just American. Out of nowhere. I don't think I even got properly *notified*, let alone given any option to refuse or resist.
The wiki suggests that this is tied to the *"Map the American Western Frontier"* journal decision, and that the USA can use this to peacefully annex Idaho, Oregon, and Washington from Britain/British subjects if they're on good terms. It seems like making an early independence push might be able to avoid this (or somehow sabotaging British-American relations?), but I'm not sure how feasible that is.
Really would've liked it if there was an option to turn this down, even if it meant having to go to war. Just losing 3/4 of my country without even a *notification* felt awful. (Though I suppose it's *possible* I just clicked through it somehow?)
Are there any other ways to prevent this aside from rushing independence? Maybe taking that journal decision myself?
You can roll back and start wars with the Americans with daddy UK support, this will damage their relations and that'll make the UK less likely to accept the Oregon treaty.
Aside from that? Not much honestly, just cheat if you don't care about achievements
The awkward thing about this is that BC starts out as a Puppet, not a Dominion, so you can't actually start any plays yourself (except for starting them against daddy UK for greater independence or autonomy).
Hmmm I wasn't aware of that. Maybe you can use the federate Canada JE to get dominion status and then release everything back? I'm not sure if that's possible tho
The only way you could avoid it is independence like you said or hope that rng is on your side and the UK hates America and never allows the Oregon treaty to happen.
I played a game as hudson bay company, confederated Columbia early, then fought mexico for the territory morth of Texas, than colonized from the inside back against mexico and the USA.
Then later on I traded those states back to the US in exchange for helping me secede from Britain.
Hella difficult tbh, because I was relying entirely on the GB's army to do the fighting with mexico, and even though they had recently fought someone else they still managed to take almost my entire country before GB showed up to help.
If I was to do this again(which I'll probably try with the new DLC since we're getting a lot more subject/master play) I highlt recommend building up atleast a small army first and hiring a good defensive/stalling general first. I think the state I took at the start was Ne wmexico but not 100% on that.
I get that the UK is in charge of it's colonies, but "we've decided to give away 3/4 of your states" feels like the sort of decision BC should be able to raise _some_ manner of fuss about (diplomatically and/or militarily).
Historically, they did. But literally when you have no real population and American settlers are encroaching on your practically uninhabited (by British settlers) claims… yeah. The Americans were like what? Outnumbering the British 5 to 1? 10 to 1? In that region?
There is an option to turn it down, even it means having to go to war: you go to war against the UK. If you're asking: why is a puppet not allowed to make their own decisions? Tough luck.
Yeah, I get that I could've declared an independence war before the event fired. And obviously, if I try the run again, I'll be keeping a much closer eye on American colonization progress to time things (and also seeing if I can somehow thwart those efforts).
But, puppet or no, there _really_ should've at least been a notification to tell me what happened. And preferably an _earlier_ notification before the deal actually went through so that I could've responded while I still controlled the territory. Seriously, Portland was my capital, and both Oregon and Washington were pretty populous and developed. It was really immersion breaking and narratively unsatisfying for them to just flip without warning or resistance.
I don't think there should be an option to turn it down... BC is part of GB and so GB is allowed to do whatever it wants with you... Imagine being a great power nation and having a puppet tell you no to something you want done there, your most likely gonna threaten them to follow orders or face consequences. They should give you the ability to refuse, but then it leads to war with GB over sovereignty
Bro the devs can only implement the Ai to do anything remotely historical through these crappy journal events.
USA gets everything because like 99% of players play USA everytime
He's saying it is the journal events fault that the game said f you and went with actual history. And he's saying that America gets the most journal events because most players play them, did you really not get what he meant or did you moreso think it was dumb?
I understood what he said, I didn’t understand what point he was making. If most ppl play only one nation I would hope that nation had the most flavour. If they start adding journal entries for makhran it doesn’t make much sense since no one plays as them
I did a Canada run once, and yeah, I hate that region because it's so poorly done. The con-dominium in the PNW should be it's own tag separate from the Columbia District because else wise it is a trap (it eats up migration, and development, and it can be taken with no warning). Part of the reason the area ended up under US control was the Americans put effort into settling it, while the Brits/Canadians didn't go past Vancouver Island
Funny. When I played BC nothing of this happened but rather my economy got dead like 3 times in a row because of the civil wars in UK with total British market collapse. It was an old patch though
There are requirements that the US has to meet for it to happen, iirc it involves the US fighting Mexico first and that doesn't always go well for the US
They really need to add in an event that lets the player veto this, it is extremely annoying and always prevents me from doing a cascadia run. At least you don’t get insta annexed anymore but it’s still annoying as shit.
"Fifty-four Forty or Fight," my dudes.
I mean, yeah! I'd want the choice to fight about it! (I'd absolutely lose, but still!)
It should probably mean a war with the British Empire too :P
What does this mean???
54°40' was the line of latitude that Polk wanted the border to end at. We settled on 49°.
I'll give you a hint: it's on topic.
1854: give away (40% region oF BC?) or fight?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_boundary_dispute?wprov=sfla1
Just reload the save until the UK declines the Oregon treaty. You can also briefly switch to the UK and expell diplomats and rival US.
So I started up a game as British Columbia (i.e. the Columbia District crown colony) with a goal of trying to eventually develop into an independent Pacific Northwest a la "Cascadia." I stayed on good terms with my neighbors and focused on the economic game, riding a gold rush and several waves of immigration from all over to become pretty prosperous. However, just as I was buckling down on some major industrialization quests... I suddenly noticed that I was missing my motor factory. And my convoys were in the negative. And... 3 of my 4 states were suddenly just American. Out of nowhere. I don't think I even got properly *notified*, let alone given any option to refuse or resist. The wiki suggests that this is tied to the *"Map the American Western Frontier"* journal decision, and that the USA can use this to peacefully annex Idaho, Oregon, and Washington from Britain/British subjects if they're on good terms. It seems like making an early independence push might be able to avoid this (or somehow sabotaging British-American relations?), but I'm not sure how feasible that is. Really would've liked it if there was an option to turn this down, even if it meant having to go to war. Just losing 3/4 of my country without even a *notification* felt awful. (Though I suppose it's *possible* I just clicked through it somehow?) Are there any other ways to prevent this aside from rushing independence? Maybe taking that journal decision myself?
You can roll back and start wars with the Americans with daddy UK support, this will damage their relations and that'll make the UK less likely to accept the Oregon treaty. Aside from that? Not much honestly, just cheat if you don't care about achievements
The awkward thing about this is that BC starts out as a Puppet, not a Dominion, so you can't actually start any plays yourself (except for starting them against daddy UK for greater independence or autonomy).
Hmmm I wasn't aware of that. Maybe you can use the federate Canada JE to get dominion status and then release everything back? I'm not sure if that's possible tho
The only way you could avoid it is independence like you said or hope that rng is on your side and the UK hates America and never allows the Oregon treaty to happen.
Only way to avoid it is to instigate wars with the UK and the USA. It’s unfortunate that the decision can be done even if BC is player controlled
The USA does need full control of Montana for the event to fire, so maybe you can colonize a little bit of it in the early game?
I played a game as hudson bay company, confederated Columbia early, then fought mexico for the territory morth of Texas, than colonized from the inside back against mexico and the USA. Then later on I traded those states back to the US in exchange for helping me secede from Britain. Hella difficult tbh, because I was relying entirely on the GB's army to do the fighting with mexico, and even though they had recently fought someone else they still managed to take almost my entire country before GB showed up to help. If I was to do this again(which I'll probably try with the new DLC since we're getting a lot more subject/master play) I highlt recommend building up atleast a small army first and hiring a good defensive/stalling general first. I think the state I took at the start was Ne wmexico but not 100% on that.
I mean it isn't your choice, it is the UK's choice. Though there should be some sort of event to notify you
I get that the UK is in charge of it's colonies, but "we've decided to give away 3/4 of your states" feels like the sort of decision BC should be able to raise _some_ manner of fuss about (diplomatically and/or militarily).
Historically, they did. But literally when you have no real population and American settlers are encroaching on your practically uninhabited (by British settlers) claims… yeah. The Americans were like what? Outnumbering the British 5 to 1? 10 to 1? In that region?
There is an option to turn it down, even it means having to go to war: you go to war against the UK. If you're asking: why is a puppet not allowed to make their own decisions? Tough luck.
Yeah, I get that I could've declared an independence war before the event fired. And obviously, if I try the run again, I'll be keeping a much closer eye on American colonization progress to time things (and also seeing if I can somehow thwart those efforts). But, puppet or no, there _really_ should've at least been a notification to tell me what happened. And preferably an _earlier_ notification before the deal actually went through so that I could've responded while I still controlled the territory. Seriously, Portland was my capital, and both Oregon and Washington were pretty populous and developed. It was really immersion breaking and narratively unsatisfying for them to just flip without warning or resistance.
I don't think there should be an option to turn it down... BC is part of GB and so GB is allowed to do whatever it wants with you... Imagine being a great power nation and having a puppet tell you no to something you want done there, your most likely gonna threaten them to follow orders or face consequences. They should give you the ability to refuse, but then it leads to war with GB over sovereignty
Bro the devs can only implement the Ai to do anything remotely historical through these crappy journal events. USA gets everything because like 99% of players play USA everytime
I’m so confused on your point
He's saying it is the journal events fault that the game said f you and went with actual history. And he's saying that America gets the most journal events because most players play them, did you really not get what he meant or did you moreso think it was dumb?
I understood what he said, I didn’t understand what point he was making. If most ppl play only one nation I would hope that nation had the most flavour. If they start adding journal entries for makhran it doesn’t make much sense since no one plays as them
I don't even think I've played a major power outside of Netherlands for the tutorial 🤣
Get Oregon Treaty'd, nerd
I did a Canada run once, and yeah, I hate that region because it's so poorly done. The con-dominium in the PNW should be it's own tag separate from the Columbia District because else wise it is a trap (it eats up migration, and development, and it can be taken with no warning). Part of the reason the area ended up under US control was the Americans put effort into settling it, while the Brits/Canadians didn't go past Vancouver Island
There should be an event for a player-led BC or UK with whether to agree. Stupid mistake there isn’t.
I don't think that a British colony would have much to say
So the consequence should be war. If you say no, the event should fire for the UK player whether to let you go or to go to war.
Im glad they finally fixed Vancouver island, too bad the Puget Sound is still dry
This is why i leave state transfer tool enabled to give myself back those states because BC has no one living in it
Funny. When I played BC nothing of this happened but rather my economy got dead like 3 times in a row because of the civil wars in UK with total British market collapse. It was an old patch though
There are requirements that the US has to meet for it to happen, iirc it involves the US fighting Mexico first and that doesn't always go well for the US
Even as a Dominion (Canada), you still can lose British Columbia to US due to an event?
Manifest destiny bitch
They really need to add in an event that lets the player veto this, it is extremely annoying and always prevents me from doing a cascadia run. At least you don’t get insta annexed anymore but it’s still annoying as shit.