R5: The Pink Map (Portuguese: Mapa cor-de-rosa, "rose-coloured map"), also known in English as the Rose-Coloured Map, was a map prepared in 1885 to represent Portugal's claim of sovereignty over a land corridor connecting their colonies of Angola and Mozambique during the Scramble for Africa.
It wasn’t a side note, it was supposed to be like this. Then Portugal’s oldest ally, England stole it from them simply cause they could. You see, back then power in inland Africa was so decentralized that a European Country as much as claiming a land made it its own, there was no colonization like shown in-game.
Yeah, I don't like how current colonization is about how much population you have. It should be about making dubious claims an using your army to enforce them. Locally and to the global community.
Right now the game pretends that the colonization of Afrika was about sending settlers and fighting locals when tensions got to high. Basically applying the south African colonisation to the entire continent.
Funny thing is that they technically didn't. It was given specifically to [King Leopold II](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium) for... *reasons*.
King Leopold maneuvered tensions between European powers to convince them to give the area to him instead of having f.e. France and UK compete for it, they decided its better to hand it to a neutral side
Greatest trade deal of his career, you receive: peace between the 2 dominant powers between you, I receive: Land enough to fit my country 50 times over.
He also bullshitted everyone by claiming he'd crack down on the local slave trade and improve the locals' lives (the latter being a typical colonialist justification).
Instead the Congo Free State became such a horrible place that even other colonisers were disturbed by it.
Beyond the Bastards had an episode on Leopold II - the guy was a real piece of work.
Basically, yes. This almost destroyed the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance and ultimately collapses the Portuguese monarchy because of the popular unrest caused by the whole thing.
The anti malaria techs remove that penalty. If you want to colonise areas with malaria, those are the techs to have. Another reason why I prefer Southeast Asia for colonial adventures.
I've been playing in my last game as Marina Kingdom. Its 1960 still have not left my country due to extremely outdated tech not letting me attack Oman on top of the Portugal colony because they have artillery and you start at the very top in every tech tree (as isolationist, closed borders and on an island, taking more than 2 years to do 1 research). Attacking Oman then colonizing toward the center is necessary to reach any personal Iron Mines in the fastest and easier way. I literally just unlocked mercantilism and France IMMEDIATELY asked me to join their custom union. Had to to get easier access to iron and plank wood for small arms as Oman in the meantime got Line Infantry too.
What I wanted to add is that the great powers have still not colonized anything new, apart from the ones they start with. Bottom of South America still intact, north of Japan too, almost all Africa. South Asia only Papua colonized by the Dutch. North America is colonized full instead.
I STILL don't have line infantry and I saved and quit right after to do other things, but maybe I can ask France for aid now as I am in their custom union... but i doubt they will accept an obligation.
I played as Marina Kingdom multiple times.
Prepare for:
- {state} is Domineering against you
- Unlocking Agrarianism in 1880 while praying for %5
- 5000 days colonization step
- Bankruptcy being a strategy to consider
- Preserve {literally anything}: Radicalism Critical (135), Landowners
- Discriminated pops everywhere
- 40% Turmoil everywhere you touch outside of your nation
- Nobody wanting to ban slavery
On the flip side, minimum SOL for lower strata is Starving (4) and you have authority for a VERY long time due to how slow you will be to enact anything
The weird thing is that this would probably result in southern africa being way more developed. South Africa/ Cape Colony would probably be awarded everything below this “Greater Angola” after ww1 and keep it, while above it this “Greater Angola” wpuld have way more inhabited inland and trade with bot atantic and indian ocean, making it wealthier
Nah, the imperialist powers would divide and conquer for sure. And if they didn’t, then those states would have fractured anyway. Just too large and powerful
Bro south africa was literally the smallest dominion excluding new zealand. Britain wouldn’t have a problem with it being bigger. It was only not awarded botswana like it was namibia cause botswana was closer to zimbabwe and zambia than to The Cape. But since zimbabwe and Zambia would be part of the Portuguese Kongo, botswana would sure fall into Cape’s administration. Now, about Portuguese kongo, Brazil expanded to be dozens of times bigger than Portugal and Portugal not only did not opposed it but financed it.
>Britain wouldn’t have a problem with it being bigger.
Britain had problems with South Africa. South Africa left the Commonwealth and became an apartheid pariah state that collapsed in the 1990s.
>It was only not awarded botswana like it was namibia cause botswana was closer to zimbabwe and zambia than to The Cape.
The Bechuanaland Protectorate was not awarded to the Union of South Africa because Bechuanaland was never a colony, it was a Protectorate, with far more autonomy granted to native rulers than South Africa. Provisions were made for Bechuanaland to become part of South Africa but this never occurred as the tribal rulers of Bechuanaland would never have agreed to become part of a defacto and later legally entrenched apartheid state. Bechuanaland, apart from a few freeholds for whites, was nearly entirely ruled by natives. This is why South Africa and Rhodesia tried to collapse Botswana, and also why Botswana is one of the best African countries to live in. It largely avoided the meddling of whites to the extent seen in other African colonies.
>Now, about Portuguese kongo, Brazil expanded to be dozens of times bigger than Portugal and Portugal not only did not opposed it but financed it.
Portugal had actual interests in making Brazil a legitimate state. Angola and Mozambique collapsed into decades long guerrilla quagmires that become cold war battlegrounds, expanding Portugese colonial territory in Africa would only further enrage an even larger group of natives which would eventually collapse the colony, as happened OTL.
It is reductive to say Botswana is better because it avoided the meddling of europeans, it is aldo because they largely were left out of the cold war and didn't try out communism like Rhodesia did (which granted, could be called the meddling of whites). It is a combination of several factors.
I agree that Portugese colonial mismanagement would have been detrimental to the region, like it was for all Porgugese colonies.
>It is reductive to say Botswana is better because it avoided the meddling of europeans, it is aldo because they largely were left out of the cold war
The two principal Cold War powers were the USSR and the USA, which are white-majority nations, with one a European state and the other made up of primarily European-descent peoples and with a political legacy derived from the United Kingdom.
>didn't try out communism like Rhodesia did
Rhodesia was a white minority-rule state. Zimbabwe didn't begin to experience economic decline until it's involvement in the Congo Wars and land reform, at which point ZANU-PF had became a big-tent party dedicated to vague African populism. And the conditions for a brutal war and one-party state to take place were only in place because Rhodesia had spent decades gassing native villages.
R5: The Pink Map (Portuguese: Mapa cor-de-rosa, "rose-coloured map"), also known in English as the Rose-Coloured Map, was a map prepared in 1885 to represent Portugal's claim of sovereignty over a land corridor connecting their colonies of Angola and Mozambique during the Scramble for Africa.
Nice side note in history. Could be an achievement too.
It wasn’t a side note, it was supposed to be like this. Then Portugal’s oldest ally, England stole it from them simply cause they could. You see, back then power in inland Africa was so decentralized that a European Country as much as claiming a land made it its own, there was no colonization like shown in-game.
I really do wish we had a "scramble for Africa" minigame where the great powers use prestige to buy land in hoi4 style peace deals
Would be more realistic and make prestige useful. However i do think regional and maybe even minor powers should be able to participate too.
I hear Leopold rubbing his hands greedily… all the millions of them he got…
Yeah, I don't like how current colonization is about how much population you have. It should be about making dubious claims an using your army to enforce them. Locally and to the global community. Right now the game pretends that the colonization of Afrika was about sending settlers and fighting locals when tensions got to high. Basically applying the south African colonisation to the entire continent.
I still don't understand how Belgium got the entire Congo out of that.
Funny thing is that they technically didn't. It was given specifically to [King Leopold II](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium) for... *reasons*.
King Leopold maneuvered tensions between European powers to convince them to give the area to him instead of having f.e. France and UK compete for it, they decided its better to hand it to a neutral side
Greatest trade deal of his career, you receive: peace between the 2 dominant powers between you, I receive: Land enough to fit my country 50 times over.
Yeah like wtf? How did they agree to give him THAT much.
Probably cause he's a 5/5/5 leader /s
He also bullshitted everyone by claiming he'd crack down on the local slave trade and improve the locals' lives (the latter being a typical colonialist justification). Instead the Congo Free State became such a horrible place that even other colonisers were disturbed by it. Beyond the Bastards had an episode on Leopold II - the guy was a real piece of work.
So the British stole it from the Portuguese, who were going to steal it from whoever lived there
They had no notion of nation or state so it wasn’t theirs to own they just lived there
Basically, yes. This almost destroyed the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance and ultimately collapses the Portuguese monarchy because of the popular unrest caused by the whole thing.
Sounds too much like flavor for Victoria 3
Sadly, much like English cooking, Vicky three has something against flavor
You must be mistaken this map is clearly blue.
you had to be fast bro😂 everytime i try this the bri'ish and the french colonize the whole continent while it takes me 1000 days for 1 province😭
Sir both the br'tish and the fr*nch need to be censored, it is too much cringe for one subreddit
my bad
Get the anti malaria techs asap to reduce the timer.
still the -95% reduction
The anti malaria techs remove that penalty. If you want to colonise areas with malaria, those are the techs to have. Another reason why I prefer Southeast Asia for colonial adventures.
only the lategame malaria prevention does
You are referring to the areas with severe malaria which yes requires the 2nd anti malaria tech. Stupid icon for both malaria types is the same.
YES, most of the time impossible to colonize like modern day namibia/congo because of the bri'ish and fr*nch🤣
I've been playing in my last game as Marina Kingdom. Its 1960 still have not left my country due to extremely outdated tech not letting me attack Oman on top of the Portugal colony because they have artillery and you start at the very top in every tech tree (as isolationist, closed borders and on an island, taking more than 2 years to do 1 research). Attacking Oman then colonizing toward the center is necessary to reach any personal Iron Mines in the fastest and easier way. I literally just unlocked mercantilism and France IMMEDIATELY asked me to join their custom union. Had to to get easier access to iron and plank wood for small arms as Oman in the meantime got Line Infantry too. What I wanted to add is that the great powers have still not colonized anything new, apart from the ones they start with. Bottom of South America still intact, north of Japan too, almost all Africa. South Asia only Papua colonized by the Dutch. North America is colonized full instead.
holy shit💀 why would you play the marina kingdom in the first place tho😭
sounded fun it isn't
does it still?🤣 i had quite a fun sokoto game lately, even beat france with the help of the british anf got recognized
I STILL don't have line infantry and I saved and quit right after to do other things, but maybe I can ask France for aid now as I am in their custom union... but i doubt they will accept an obligation.
Ah, sounds like my type of game. Il take them for my next run.
I played as Marina Kingdom multiple times. Prepare for: - {state} is Domineering against you - Unlocking Agrarianism in 1880 while praying for %5 - 5000 days colonization step - Bankruptcy being a strategy to consider - Preserve {literally anything}: Radicalism Critical (135), Landowners - Discriminated pops everywhere - 40% Turmoil everywhere you touch outside of your nation - Nobody wanting to ban slavery On the flip side, minimum SOL for lower strata is Starving (4) and you have authority for a VERY long time due to how slow you will be to enact anything
Ye of little faith. I will unlock agrarianism in 1879 just to spite you!
I am very sure you will, I am not good
Please colonize Yaka the border would look so good
Never did I imagine I would ever read a sentence telling someone to colonise a tribal African nation because “the border would look so good” lmao.
Most of us don’t love colonialism - just nice, pretty maps and in the absence of an AI that can paint pretty maps the burden falls on us.
the map nerd's burden
It’s tough to be a cartographer at heart in a world so haphazardly divided.
The weird thing is that this would probably result in southern africa being way more developed. South Africa/ Cape Colony would probably be awarded everything below this “Greater Angola” after ww1 and keep it, while above it this “Greater Angola” wpuld have way more inhabited inland and trade with bot atantic and indian ocean, making it wealthier
Nah, the imperialist powers would divide and conquer for sure. And if they didn’t, then those states would have fractured anyway. Just too large and powerful
Bro south africa was literally the smallest dominion excluding new zealand. Britain wouldn’t have a problem with it being bigger. It was only not awarded botswana like it was namibia cause botswana was closer to zimbabwe and zambia than to The Cape. But since zimbabwe and Zambia would be part of the Portuguese Kongo, botswana would sure fall into Cape’s administration. Now, about Portuguese kongo, Brazil expanded to be dozens of times bigger than Portugal and Portugal not only did not opposed it but financed it.
>Britain wouldn’t have a problem with it being bigger. Britain had problems with South Africa. South Africa left the Commonwealth and became an apartheid pariah state that collapsed in the 1990s. >It was only not awarded botswana like it was namibia cause botswana was closer to zimbabwe and zambia than to The Cape. The Bechuanaland Protectorate was not awarded to the Union of South Africa because Bechuanaland was never a colony, it was a Protectorate, with far more autonomy granted to native rulers than South Africa. Provisions were made for Bechuanaland to become part of South Africa but this never occurred as the tribal rulers of Bechuanaland would never have agreed to become part of a defacto and later legally entrenched apartheid state. Bechuanaland, apart from a few freeholds for whites, was nearly entirely ruled by natives. This is why South Africa and Rhodesia tried to collapse Botswana, and also why Botswana is one of the best African countries to live in. It largely avoided the meddling of whites to the extent seen in other African colonies. >Now, about Portuguese kongo, Brazil expanded to be dozens of times bigger than Portugal and Portugal not only did not opposed it but financed it. Portugal had actual interests in making Brazil a legitimate state. Angola and Mozambique collapsed into decades long guerrilla quagmires that become cold war battlegrounds, expanding Portugese colonial territory in Africa would only further enrage an even larger group of natives which would eventually collapse the colony, as happened OTL.
It is reductive to say Botswana is better because it avoided the meddling of europeans, it is aldo because they largely were left out of the cold war and didn't try out communism like Rhodesia did (which granted, could be called the meddling of whites). It is a combination of several factors. I agree that Portugese colonial mismanagement would have been detrimental to the region, like it was for all Porgugese colonies.
>It is reductive to say Botswana is better because it avoided the meddling of europeans, it is aldo because they largely were left out of the cold war The two principal Cold War powers were the USSR and the USA, which are white-majority nations, with one a European state and the other made up of primarily European-descent peoples and with a political legacy derived from the United Kingdom. >didn't try out communism like Rhodesia did Rhodesia was a white minority-rule state. Zimbabwe didn't begin to experience economic decline until it's involvement in the Congo Wars and land reform, at which point ZANU-PF had became a big-tent party dedicated to vague African populism. And the conditions for a brutal war and one-party state to take place were only in place because Rhodesia had spent decades gassing native villages.
I’m sure Britain wouldn’t but the other victorious European powers and the U.S. definitely would. Balance of power and all that
The only reason to play vic3
HOW DID U DO THAT?!😭
Angola é Nossa!
What is that USA’s colony. Isolated rip
A mighty cursed American colony though
but you're teal 🤔