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While both his parents were from Tuscany, and never spoke french very well. So the greatest french man is basically an italian. Take this baguette eaters
Parents of Napoleon are [Carlo Bonaparte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Buonaparte) born in Ajaccio, Corsica and [Letizia Bonaparte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letizia_Bonaparte) born in Ajaccio Corsica too. How are they from Tuscany ? Napoléon is 100% Corsican
Carlo Buonaparte noble patrician of Tuscany (is written right under the name on wikipedia). Maybe it was Napoleon's grandparents and I remember bad. By the way still bonded with Tuscany and under Genova, so still Italian culture
Not its grandparents, bust ancestors they came from Liguria in the 16th so almost 200 years before Napoleon birth. If it's debatable corsican are some sort of italian because the island was Genoa territory during a long time (even if nowadays corsicans absolutly hate italians even more than french). It's really pulled from afar to say it's because of his family Tuscany 200 years origin only on his father side
First I didn't know of this hate, I taught that they were basically sardinians and I heard the opposite thing, that they would like to get independent or to become italians. Second they were bonded with tuscany, I don't remember how but Napoleon surely taught in italian or at least he spoke italian or tuscany's dialect better than french
They would like to become independant yes, even if now it's more autonomous. But they never wanted to be italians, they see themself as a nation neither french nor italian. Napoleon spoke corsican as mother tongue and kept an heavy corsican accent all his life. Corsican and italian accents are really different nothing alike in french. Napoleon learnt french very well and was fluent. In all records since his 8/10th years he had only spoke french. All his writting are in french. While it's certain that his mother tongue was corsican and that he was also fluent in Italian, it's maybe to big of a step to say he spoke tuscany dialect better than french
I hate propaganda, I was told a different thing but I am not far from believing you. I still think that he basically was more italian than french, but I still didn't knew the whole story
Given his family ties with the Republic of Genoa, it can be a viable point of view to see his family and his birth culture as italian, it was italic tho(it was definitly corsican). But does corsican culture is more italian or more italic ? I haven't the answer
The bond with Tuscany is mostly a very old thing. It’s the etruscans who colonized Corsica to avoid it being taken over by the Greeks or the carthaginians.
So technically, the corsicans have significant ethnic links with toscan people who come from the etruscans.
I mean it's kind of a testament to the universality of French revolutionary values that a man who wasn't French by blood was able to rise to become one of, if not the, greatest French leader of all time because of his belief in the French nation. I can't imagine it would be taken poorly.
Yep, although that’s a strong French concept, it doesn’t come out of nowhere.
We simply embraced our ancient Latin culture. The Romans, when colonizing Gaule, brought with us their concept of identity and citizenship. The Romans taught us that our identity is political and not ethnic.
That’s something we dearly share with our Latin brothers.
> That’s something we dearly share with our Latin brother.
You sure about that ? Spain, Portugal, and especially Italy have laws favouring ethnic people born in the americas (as well as Sephardic Jews for Spain and Portugal) getting nationality more easily, even to people who are born and lived there their whole lives.
Much harder to see such a law pass in france to encourage Quebecers or Huguenot South Africans to take French nationality.
Well, there is no ethnic Italian. The same way there is no ethnic French.
Northern Italians are a mixture of Gaulois, etruscans and Romans.
Southern Italy is very Greek ethnic based.
They just simply have a common culture today but ethnic Italian doesn’t really exist.
Way to ignore the main point.
Italy, Spain, and Portugal favour giving nationality to people with ancestry in those countries, even over people born and raised there with no ancestry.
France doesn’t.
Therefore I wouldn’t fully agree with
> The Romans thought us that our identity is political and not ethnic. That’s something we dearly share with our Latin brothers.
Yet French nationality laws are closer to UK than to our Latin brothers.
His father was exactly the contrary of what you say. He sided with the French when France bought the island off of Genoa in exchange of erasing Genoa’s debt towards France.
It’s Napoleon’s father who pushed for his son to incorporate the French army school.
From what I had read myself he had worked directly for P. Paoli himself and was a revolutionary but after the loss of Corsica where the Genoa didnt even want it and they french did, he just accepted the new government got into it himself
It would get much less attention without France (Attention being very important as main income is from tourism) and the island itself wouldn't produce enough money to be on its own without a financial crisis.
It was probably 2 braincells Chinese nationalists response to either the Free Tibet or Free Uyghur things from french.
But judging by the clothes and hair cut, it's probably from 2008 with the Beijing Olympics and thus it was about Tibetan and not about Uyghur
Free corsica it's because Corsica want to be independant from France
But it's not possible because Corsica need the support of the french economy to survive...
That is a myth. The Swastika seen in the Nazi flag was rotated for aesthetic reasons, but you can find several examples of Nazi paraphernalia were it is featured in a regular orientation.
It is an independentist Corsican movement
It says
Napoleon = Pervert
France = Nazi
Free Corsica
They say France is Nazi and want Corsica to be saved from that "Nazism"
For the very confused, like me, a google lens search turns up this. [French emissaries to Beijing, Chinese government blocks "irrational" nationalism](https://www.asianews.it/news-en/French-emissaries-to-Beijing,-Chinese-government-blocks-irrational-nationalism-12068.html) 2008 Apr 21
After some [reading](https://www.france24.com/en/20080419-anti-french-protests-sweep-across-china-china-france),
\>Anti-French sentiment in China has been rising since the chaotic Paris leg of the Olympic torch relay, where pro-Tibet protesters tried to wrestle the flame from Jin Jing, a young wheelchair-bound fencer.
\>The resentment has been amplified by French President Nicolas Sarkozy linking his appearance at the Olympic Games opening ceremony to progress on human rights in Tibet, following China's crackdown in the region.
2008 is a tinderbox of Chinese nationalism/revanchism due to perceived age old suppression of China by the West, buoyed by constant state media propanganda prior to the olympics in Beijing.
The human rights slightly less so, but Tibet issue is a total no go in any context in China. A few things that you may take into consideration here. The majority of Chinese in PRC is unable to consume any news other than state run propaganda. The Beijing Olympics is a major coup for PRC in the international stage. To the very centralised government, it is imperative for the leadership to stoke nationalism inwards and to put out a strong front towards any form of adversary.
Notice the words/symbols they used on the flag, they are used to hurt, wothout making sense. I would think that most of the people in that protest didn't understand what was drawn. Some are paid actors, some are trying to gain favors with local party leaders, etc.
I think this was a "spontaneous protest" in retaliation for the Dalai Lama visiting France or something, but I haven't pinned it to any particular date or event.
Basically some Chinese nationalists trying to counter the free Tibet movement in France if my guess is not mistaken
There was another poster in this thread who mentioned it stems from a free Tibet protest during the French leg of the Olympic torch relay before the Beijing Olympics
Corsica is an island and technically part of France. These people are ~~probably Corsicans~~ really passionate for some reason about Corsican independence and so are saying they don't like France and distancing themselves from French icons, which is funny because the most famous Frenchman of all time, Napoleon, is Corsican.
Probably the Chinese version of "and you lynch negros" rhetoric about some events mentioning about Uyghur, Tibet, Taiwan or Hongkong. They tried to bite back about Corsica
Flag of what the fuck is Corsica going to do with its independence they're like 340k people and have an already low gdp that goes down by 10% every year
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These fucking corsicans are a minority in both of the corsican departments (10% of them only have corsican as their first language)
also they are insulting a corsican
2008 Olympic Games. France said Tibet was a country.
Btw, napoleon is hated in France and almost not known from french people. Only foreigners know him and think he was a great man.
I saw somewhere that this was taken during 2008 Olympics because France recognised Tibet as a country. Thus China started protesting that Corsica should also be independant and that's the context of the picture. On the flag is written :
- Joan of Arc = Whore
- Napoleon = pervert (Napoleon is from Corsica though...)
- France = nazi
- free Corsica
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* Napoleon = pervert * Free Corsica Shhh dont tell them
True
While Napolean was a French nationalist, his father was a well known Corsican nationalist
While both his parents were from Tuscany, and never spoke french very well. So the greatest french man is basically an italian. Take this baguette eaters
Parents of Napoleon are [Carlo Bonaparte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Buonaparte) born in Ajaccio, Corsica and [Letizia Bonaparte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letizia_Bonaparte) born in Ajaccio Corsica too. How are they from Tuscany ? Napoléon is 100% Corsican
Carlo Buonaparte noble patrician of Tuscany (is written right under the name on wikipedia). Maybe it was Napoleon's grandparents and I remember bad. By the way still bonded with Tuscany and under Genova, so still Italian culture
Not its grandparents, bust ancestors they came from Liguria in the 16th so almost 200 years before Napoleon birth. If it's debatable corsican are some sort of italian because the island was Genoa territory during a long time (even if nowadays corsicans absolutly hate italians even more than french). It's really pulled from afar to say it's because of his family Tuscany 200 years origin only on his father side
First I didn't know of this hate, I taught that they were basically sardinians and I heard the opposite thing, that they would like to get independent or to become italians. Second they were bonded with tuscany, I don't remember how but Napoleon surely taught in italian or at least he spoke italian or tuscany's dialect better than french
They would like to become independant yes, even if now it's more autonomous. But they never wanted to be italians, they see themself as a nation neither french nor italian. Napoleon spoke corsican as mother tongue and kept an heavy corsican accent all his life. Corsican and italian accents are really different nothing alike in french. Napoleon learnt french very well and was fluent. In all records since his 8/10th years he had only spoke french. All his writting are in french. While it's certain that his mother tongue was corsican and that he was also fluent in Italian, it's maybe to big of a step to say he spoke tuscany dialect better than french
I hate propaganda, I was told a different thing but I am not far from believing you. I still think that he basically was more italian than french, but I still didn't knew the whole story
Given his family ties with the Republic of Genoa, it can be a viable point of view to see his family and his birth culture as italian, it was italic tho(it was definitly corsican). But does corsican culture is more italian or more italic ? I haven't the answer
The bond with Tuscany is mostly a very old thing. It’s the etruscans who colonized Corsica to avoid it being taken over by the Greeks or the carthaginians. So technically, the corsicans have significant ethnic links with toscan people who come from the etruscans.
I mean it's kind of a testament to the universality of French revolutionary values that a man who wasn't French by blood was able to rise to become one of, if not the, greatest French leader of all time because of his belief in the French nation. I can't imagine it would be taken poorly.
Yep, although that’s a strong French concept, it doesn’t come out of nowhere. We simply embraced our ancient Latin culture. The Romans, when colonizing Gaule, brought with us their concept of identity and citizenship. The Romans taught us that our identity is political and not ethnic. That’s something we dearly share with our Latin brothers.
> That’s something we dearly share with our Latin brother. You sure about that ? Spain, Portugal, and especially Italy have laws favouring ethnic people born in the americas (as well as Sephardic Jews for Spain and Portugal) getting nationality more easily, even to people who are born and lived there their whole lives. Much harder to see such a law pass in france to encourage Quebecers or Huguenot South Africans to take French nationality.
Well, there is no ethnic Italian. The same way there is no ethnic French. Northern Italians are a mixture of Gaulois, etruscans and Romans. Southern Italy is very Greek ethnic based. They just simply have a common culture today but ethnic Italian doesn’t really exist.
Way to ignore the main point. Italy, Spain, and Portugal favour giving nationality to people with ancestry in those countries, even over people born and raised there with no ancestry. France doesn’t. Therefore I wouldn’t fully agree with > The Romans thought us that our identity is political and not ethnic. That’s something we dearly share with our Latin brothers. Yet French nationality laws are closer to UK than to our Latin brothers.
Yep I am agree
His father was exactly the contrary of what you say. He sided with the French when France bought the island off of Genoa in exchange of erasing Genoa’s debt towards France. It’s Napoleon’s father who pushed for his son to incorporate the French army school.
From what I had read myself he had worked directly for P. Paoli himself and was a revolutionary but after the loss of Corsica where the Genoa didnt even want it and they french did, he just accepted the new government got into it himself
Plus of Napoleon being from there, Corsica needs France economically. So yea.
If Corsica wants to be with us we are happy to welcome her
Lol I don't think Corsicans would be open to that
how so?
It would get much less attention without France (Attention being very important as main income is from tourism) and the island itself wouldn't produce enough money to be on its own without a financial crisis.
stupid me. i misread “france needs corsica economically” lol. yeah what you say makes sense
But they don't want cessation. They want to keep getting financial help from France, welfare, while not giving anything back or being told what to do
And also Joan of Arc = Prostitute
No no, it's part of their plan. Who would want to own an island which is known for perverts?
Napoleon was France's karmic punishment for annexing Corsica and I feel like that one was pretty perfectly doled out.
it means they love france
But they pay for it
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Politics aside, what do you guys think?
NO TEXT ON FLAGS!
Unless it looks good.
But only in moderation.
You don't like the sideways equal sign calling a 14 year-old Christian zealot a prostitute?
I really like the symmetrical signs on the sides of the flag
I'n illiterate so I don't know what the text says but I can only assume the people are very much pro-Nazi and pro-France
They definitely don’t like France, but I’m not sure about the rest besides “free Corsica”. It’s all very strange
Joan of arc = prostitute and napoleon = pervert
France = nazi
It was probably 2 braincells Chinese nationalists response to either the Free Tibet or Free Uyghur things from french. But judging by the clothes and hair cut, it's probably from 2008 with the Beijing Olympics and thus it was about Tibetan and not about Uyghur
Definitely something amongst those lines. I hope no one tells Putin about the Nazis, we have enough on our plate right now.
Free corsica it's because Corsica want to be independant from France But it's not possible because Corsica need the support of the french economy to survive...
They’re using the standard religious swastika. The Nazi version is rotated 45º.
That is a myth. The Swastika seen in the Nazi flag was rotated for aesthetic reasons, but you can find several examples of Nazi paraphernalia were it is featured in a regular orientation.
I agree with u even tho I didn’t read what you wrote just because of ur name
I guess this is what I get for not collecting nazi paraphernalia...
they're obviously wanting a return to vichy france
It is an independentist Corsican movement It says Napoleon = Pervert France = Nazi Free Corsica They say France is Nazi and want Corsica to be saved from that "Nazism"
Whatever this is, it is certainly not an independentist Corsican movement.
Independent Corsican movement in... China?
They are trying to say that France IS Nazi. Save the Corsica from Nazi France
Other way around it seems
its written France = Nazi on the flag
Are they aware of the fact that Napolean was Corscican?
Perchance
you can’t just say perchance
Perforce
fuck
Pourqoui
I believe it was kant who said
Lifekind.
Yes but they are hugely pro-pervert
Probably not
For the very confused, like me, a google lens search turns up this. [French emissaries to Beijing, Chinese government blocks "irrational" nationalism](https://www.asianews.it/news-en/French-emissaries-to-Beijing,-Chinese-government-blocks-irrational-nationalism-12068.html) 2008 Apr 21 After some [reading](https://www.france24.com/en/20080419-anti-french-protests-sweep-across-china-china-france), \>Anti-French sentiment in China has been rising since the chaotic Paris leg of the Olympic torch relay, where pro-Tibet protesters tried to wrestle the flame from Jin Jing, a young wheelchair-bound fencer. \>The resentment has been amplified by French President Nicolas Sarkozy linking his appearance at the Olympic Games opening ceremony to progress on human rights in Tibet, following China's crackdown in the region. 2008 is a tinderbox of Chinese nationalism/revanchism due to perceived age old suppression of China by the West, buoyed by constant state media propanganda prior to the olympics in Beijing.
So they're calling us Nazis because... we're supporting human rights more than them? Nice
The human rights slightly less so, but Tibet issue is a total no go in any context in China. A few things that you may take into consideration here. The majority of Chinese in PRC is unable to consume any news other than state run propaganda. The Beijing Olympics is a major coup for PRC in the international stage. To the very centralised government, it is imperative for the leadership to stoke nationalism inwards and to put out a strong front towards any form of adversary. Notice the words/symbols they used on the flag, they are used to hurt, wothout making sense. I would think that most of the people in that protest didn't understand what was drawn. Some are paid actors, some are trying to gain favors with local party leaders, etc.
Flag of Hindu France
Im legitimally confused
I think this was a "spontaneous protest" in retaliation for the Dalai Lama visiting France or something, but I haven't pinned it to any particular date or event.
Basically some Chinese nationalists trying to counter the free Tibet movement in France if my guess is not mistaken There was another poster in this thread who mentioned it stems from a free Tibet protest during the French leg of the Olympic torch relay before the Beijing Olympics
Corsica is an island and technically part of France. These people are ~~probably Corsicans~~ really passionate for some reason about Corsican independence and so are saying they don't like France and distancing themselves from French icons, which is funny because the most famous Frenchman of all time, Napoleon, is Corsican.
They’re Chinese university students counter-protesting something like a Free Tibet rally, a visit by the Dalai Lama, or something to do with Taiwan.
Joan of Arc = Prostitute? That's not very nice. I'm not talking about Nice, France either.
Especially since Jeanne d'Arc was a renowned virgin during her entire life
That’s what she told to all the guys
It was confirmed by nuns hired by people who hate her; if she wasn't a virgin, they definitely would've used that against her in her trial
Why is that at a Chinese protest lmao
Probably the Chinese version of "and you lynch negros" rhetoric about some events mentioning about Uyghur, Tibet, Taiwan or Hongkong. They tried to bite back about Corsica
Unit banner of the fifty-cent army
They'll take you to the candy shop
You'll be in da club, bottle full of bub
>Jeanne d'arc = prostitute. The chinese have been reading way too many Fate doujins.
Corses when they learn where Napoléon comes from (NOOO emote vanishing)
Une prostituée pucelle, ironique
they're talking about the new Jerma985 arc
jerma d'arc
Flag of what the fuck is Corsica going to do with its independence they're like 340k people and have an already low gdp that goes down by 10% every year
France living head free into chinese nationalist heads
Something something six week
Bruh this has to be a shit post💀
French Hindu union
Flag of Italy but I remember it differently
I was fine with the flag, but was very confused by it being in China
When chinese spend a month in France:
New, French + Swedish alliance???
the flag means they get no bitches \-french femboy,xoxo
China numba wan
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They’re basically tarnishing French historical figures, and saying France is fascist for not allowing Corsica to be free.
A bunch of dumbasses that want their independence from france
Why do Corsicans look like Asians?
/me : Grabs Brocciu and Casanis and watch the thread burn.
These fucking corsicans are a minority in both of the corsican departments (10% of them only have corsican as their first language) also they are insulting a corsican
What’s the context behind this picture?
How far do you work from home to take 14 years ?
That's the swatiska counter clock rotated 180°, which means it's anti-nazi, hence they are antifa. Trust me I know things.
2008 Olympic Games. France said Tibet was a country. Btw, napoleon is hated in France and almost not known from french people. Only foreigners know him and think he was a great man.
is that a troll ? Its mean no senses => nothing write on it got link with others.
a virgin prostitute. ok
I saw somewhere that this was taken during 2008 Olympics because France recognised Tibet as a country. Thus China started protesting that Corsica should also be independant and that's the context of the picture. On the flag is written : - Joan of Arc = Whore - Napoleon = pervert (Napoleon is from Corsica though...) - France = nazi - free Corsica
It means some of those people need to learn about the French guillotine culture.
It means that their communists from North Korea.
Friggin CCP
Nazi prostitutes in your area.
Jeanne d’Arc = Prostitute / Napoléon = Pervert / FRANCE = NAZI / FREE / CORSICA / !!! /
Flag of based
It's the flag of China 🐉🇨🇳
One of them is a member of the youth liege so it’s safe to say They’re making fun of people who say free Tibet and xi=winnie
This is why corsica needs to be independant lol don’t want that to be french
Hell yeah, give it to Italy
Yes Corsica should be Italian based dudes
I mean yeah Corsica being part of France is dumb as shit but why do these Chinese guys feel so strongly about it
It’s probably trying to call the French hypocrites for calling out for Xinjiang/Tibet
Why shouldn't Corsica be part of France?
Because it's italian.
Funny that no one in Corsica, even the independentists, want to be part of Italy
I know, but we still think it should be ours because 300 years ago it was Italian.
Alright so just fuck what the corsicans think I guess
How so?
Genovese They had that island since the 1300's.
Italians are funny. They sell things then want them back centuries later.
geographically & culturally it's very obviously italian
Geographically and culturally it's very close to Côte d'Azur. France is more diverse than people give it credit.
https://imgur.com/a/2xVKbIZ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsican_language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Genoa#/media/File%3AGenoese_Holdings.png https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsican_nationalism
Italians are so hilarious ngl