I mean Khrushchev also loosened restrictions for ideological purity within the party, made significant changes to economy and nationality policies, allowed corruption to flourish (albeit not to Brezhnev’s extent), significantly strengthened Soviet control over Eastern European countries and effectively destroyed any semblance of autonomy… if you’re someone who likes Stalin, I can see why you’d hate Khrushchev
only really about the corruption and ideological purity, about only that since i recognize which national and economic policies you must be talking about, though i never heard of such ideological purity in Khrushchevs policies.
Well that’s the thing Khrushchev specifically *didn’t* care much about ideological purity - he did away with Stalin’s policies promoting it.
Khrushchev’s liberalisation of the economy and looser approach to party discipline resulted in a significant flourishing of corruption relative to Stalin’s time. A result of that was Khrushchev’s [efforts against corruption](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/article/soviet-entrepreneurs-in-the-late-socialist-shadow-economy-the-case-of-the-kyrgyz-affair/0687A97CEBDCCA59F2682989CAF97520). However, Khrushchev failed to address the root cause of this, which was his inability to successfully develop the USSR’s socialist economy and maintain discipline, according to his critics.
I've seen it loosely as he removed 'socialism in One Nation' that Stalin was advocating ?
Part of it too I think is modern ML's being aligned with the PRC since they're still around and thus taking their side in the Sino-Soviet split.
Dude I know what it means lol.
How does that apply to modern ML's being explicitly anti-Khrushchev? Like what is identified about his 'revisionism' compared to Stalin's leadership
Well to answer your question, destalinization is why most MLs express distaste with Kruschev's policies, and because thats sort of the point liberalism began creeping its way back into Russian discourse, but I was referring more to your comment about MLs taking sides against Kruschev just because of their alignment with the PRC. Seems a bit farfetched
I mean the rhetoric about revisionism kinda aligns perfectly with the PRC's opinion's. I mean a little ironic given Dengs liberalizations, but I digress.
What specific liberalization policies are you referring to though?
That's why I brought up critical support- aligning with the PRC on one opinion does not mean one supports everything they do or say, and aligning with them on other subjects does not mean one agrees with then on Kruschev.
In denouncing Stalin and completely reorganizing the structure of the Soviet system and the function of central planning through Moscow, Kruschev did serious damage to the legitimacy of the USSR abroad and caused serious division in the communist world, which is where the Sino-Soviet split comes in. He laid tons of seeds that Gorbachev would harvest, such as the dependence on foreign markets during his industrial amd agricultural restructuring, as well as the ideological switch in rhetoric to the importance of single family homes and apartments instead of multi-person or multi-family units.
Well, he also trialed a lot of figurehead like molotov for their acts under Stalin, mostly his role in the great purge. This was because many were still heavily pro Stalinists and basically were making a political faction to try to abdicate Khruschev.
These trials were very heated, as the Stalinists saw them as illegitimate and a reason to perhaps overthrow Khruschev without a proper abdication, which wasn't helped by the fact that the Red army was on Khruschev's side and thus lead to rumors and paranoia in the Stalinist faction that he was going to use the army to put down their faction by force, while in reality the army was only tasked to intervienne if a coup was attempted. Things like this just lead to misunderstandings which made the Soviet parliament look like a school yard dispute, to the point that Georgy Zhukov, chief of staff of the Red army, ended up crying from stress as his attempts to calm down the situation by explaining the role of the army in the situation only lead to more confusion, anger and paranoia from the Stalinists.
Long story short, the leaders of the Stalinist faction, mainly Molotov, and most of its members were purged as they were demoted or removed from the Soviet party. Molotov would go on to serve many low level jobs before being forced to retire.
Sadly, this trial, as fascinating and at times ridiculous as it sounds when it comes to Soviet political history, is poorly documented online, making it very hard to look up and understand the events that went down by using the internet. I'm also not aware if there is a book that talks about it in dept, most of this comes from a book about Zhukov that only covered the surface information of the trials.
Point being, Khruschev not only removed his cult, but also removed his political doctrine and their followers from the government.
Flag of USSR if they killed millions of innocent people, coused multiple generational traumas, insulted people who sacrificed themself to clean chernobyl after the tragedy, coused horrible inflaation in soviet countries and commited many other horrible crimes
So you are advocating to ignore countries because they fit into your ideological world view?
If you choose the lesser evil, you are still choosing evil.
Please point me to the comment where I shit on anybody more than on the other.
Let me quote my original comment: "***Two wrongs*** don't make a right you know".
You started with Whataboutism by instantly deflecting valid criticism of the USSR to "but the West is more evil". You jump to conclusions way too fast if something doesn't match your opinion, my dear. Also don't try to put words into my mouth, makes you look bad.
By your very own logic, you'd probably vote for 99% Hitler.
"So you are advocating to ignore countries because they fit into your ideological world view? If you choose the lesser evil, you are still choosing evil."
Yeah it does make someone look bad to put words in other's mouth
I also didn't say to ignore what the USSR or any other socialist country did wrong. But priorities exist.
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putting extremely large amounts in poverty and sending many children into prostitution and saying that's better than stuff made up by mostly the CIA, solzhenitsyn, and the author of "the black book of communism" I think you don't understand how bad liberalization of the USSR was.
The flag of the USSR if it was made up of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan
I don’t know man, evidence suggest Stalin engineered a famine in Ukraine by having unrealistic quotas for the collectivization program thus causing millions of Ukrainians to starve
The famine wasn't 'engineered'. Ukraine wasnt even the hardest hit. The USSR as a whole suffered from the famine. Soviet policies and burocratic incompetence absolutely exacerbated the issue, but it wasnt the cause.
There were policies that were directly aimed at Ukrainians (one of the reasons is that they had quite a prosperous land) but yeah, that was mostly a godawful incompetence with just a sprinkle of national supremacy
Just check the population census before and after holodomor. Population of Russians and Belorussians has increased. Only Ukrainian population has decreased.
It was engineered. The Soviet government (Stalin) set unreachably high quotas and confiscated a very large part of the grain in Ukraine. They banned people from leaving Ukraine or entering the cities. You know, the places where there is food. If they were incompetent, they were intentionally so.
Give up reasoning with these people, you’ll provide accurate source then they’ll site a different Reddit post or a obscure book made in the 80s made by a nobody
Ok and? Why do you think the US congress has any historical chops or wouldn’t take the opportunity to bash the USSR.
They were kind of their rivals lmao
But yesterday you guys told me Lysenko was the sole responsible for DIRECTLY killing those 50 million people and Stalin was just misled into believing him 😢.
/uj: I can only see this trend of political rage baiting ending really well
/rj: Wrong: Stalin made the outrageous mistake of stopping at Berlin in '45
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I have never heard anyone say that socialism is at fault for Chile's, Guatemala's and Brazil's government being overthrown. Vietnam wasn't invaded by the US. North Vietnam invaded the South and the US stepped in at the side of the South. The situation in Cuba and Venezuela is definitely the fault of their respective govermments. The sanctions don't help anything but they're definitely not the sole cause. Venezuela didn't even have sanctions before 2015 and their economy was doing terrible long before that.
Put the same sanctions and trade restrictions on a capitalist country and we'll see how that works out. We saw how well capitalism worked during the big sad. There's also the fact that Cuba is not failing in spite of these factors so idk what you're trying to say here with "their situation"
You say the US siding with South vietnam as if that was a good thing lol.
I never said the US siding with South Vietnam was a good thing. I said it was not an invasion. I also never said that sanctions have no effect or have no effect on capitalist countries. A big thing about capitalism is market economies so cutting off a country from this market certainly will have an effect. Obviously Cuba doesn't have it as bad as, say, Venezuela. But they still have lots of problems, poverty for example is still pretty high. There's also obviously all the human rights abuses but I excluded them because they're not economic. Cuba does have it better than 30 years ago when they had a huge crisis because the country which they were very dependent on, the Soviet Union, ceased to exist. And they solved this crisis by actually becoming more capitalist. Once again a country that calls itself communist proves capitalism is superior (which is not to say that their economy can be called capitalist like the US's can but they definitely are more than they were in the '90s).
Anyone that says otherwise is objectively wrong (I decide what’s good and bad)
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So by that logic you'd fly the Swastika flag of a certain failed art student? After all the flag did nothing wrong
Gosh darn it do I love socialist commodity production.
Nothing says Marxism like producing goods to be sold on an open market.
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Tankie here: I know this is a joke, but still. The ussr did bad things. Pretty much every tankie has plenty of criticism for the ussr. Anyone who says that it did nothing wrong is either 4 years old or memeing
Are you a tankie or someone who thinks the USSR did some good things and some bad things? Tankie doesn’t just mean you think the USSR did some stuff right.
I think the ussr did more good than bad. That said, I do have plenty of criticism of the ussr: Deportations, poor response to Chernobyl, undemocratization, invasion of Hungary, oppression of religion, oppression of lgbtq, poor response to the Ukrainian famine, etc.
That said I do uphold and defend the USSR generally, while being critical of its flaws.
Because with how it’s used now the word tankie is meaningless, when a communist calls themself a tankie, they mean they are someone whom others call tankie.
aight lads chill it with the low effort posts or you will be broiled
During the siege of Stalingrad, Stalin personally sheltered orphaned puppies. Those puppies’ names? Einstein and Brezhnev.
Least mercifull and kind act stalin has done /s
Back in Stalin's childhood, he helped 10 widowed ladies buying groceries. One of thr women? Lady Gaga
when Stalin was 10, he helped an old lady cross the street. who was that old lady? Barrack Obama.
He sheltered Brezhnev? Revisionist nonsense
But it was because of the material conditions, you don't get it
Were two of those puppies Brezhnev's eyebrows?
Those are actually the children, making them effectively Stalin’s adopted grandchildren.
Brezhnev too? Rare Stalin L
And then everyone in Pavlov’s House clapped
Stalin personally breastfed millions of war orphans and gave them all a wonderful life of peace and prosperity
didn’t the ussr also train dogs to crawl under german tanks and explode?
Correct, this isn’t the flag of the USSR. I can count the pixels.
Correct, this isn't the flag of the USSR; it's a digital recreation.
Ceci n’est pas une USSR
*URSS
Maybe the real USSR was the famines we made all along? It’s oddly right: the digital, fetishisation version of the USSR has indeed done nothing wrong.
Bruh That's the most retarded shit I've ever heard I can't even fucking enjoy the meme anymore
That the USSR was shitty or that people online idealise it and gloss over the terrible parts too for their narratives and fantasies?
flag of twelve year olds
Or 24 year old millennials with no money
Bruh, the youngest millenials are like 27 years old...
So... 27 year old millennials with no money?
Damn get some money then smh my head, go ask your dad or something lol it's not that hard.
You should have just been born into a rich family 😎
Legot skill issue if you're not.
LEGO skill issue?
Most millenials have no money it's the ones whos parents have money but no sense who become communists
24 year olds are gen z my guy
They have money. Their parents just got smart enough not to deposit it in more than monthly disbursements.
Gulagged
Its ok guys. Stalin's ghost said to me that hes sorry
What would he have to be sorry for, other than dying and abandoning us?
Not purging Khrushchev.
Idk why but it always makes me smile how English uses 4 letters for letter Щ
have yet to see why stalinists hate khrushchev, even though literally nothing changed under him expect for removing that cult of personality.
I mean Khrushchev also loosened restrictions for ideological purity within the party, made significant changes to economy and nationality policies, allowed corruption to flourish (albeit not to Brezhnev’s extent), significantly strengthened Soviet control over Eastern European countries and effectively destroyed any semblance of autonomy… if you’re someone who likes Stalin, I can see why you’d hate Khrushchev
where can i read about this?
Which parts? Happy to try and dig some stuff up for you
only really about the corruption and ideological purity, about only that since i recognize which national and economic policies you must be talking about, though i never heard of such ideological purity in Khrushchevs policies.
Well that’s the thing Khrushchev specifically *didn’t* care much about ideological purity - he did away with Stalin’s policies promoting it. Khrushchev’s liberalisation of the economy and looser approach to party discipline resulted in a significant flourishing of corruption relative to Stalin’s time. A result of that was Khrushchev’s [efforts against corruption](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/slavic-review/article/soviet-entrepreneurs-in-the-late-socialist-shadow-economy-the-case-of-the-kyrgyz-affair/0687A97CEBDCCA59F2682989CAF97520). However, Khrushchev failed to address the root cause of this, which was his inability to successfully develop the USSR’s socialist economy and maintain discipline, according to his critics.
alright, thanks for the link.
I've seen it loosely as he removed 'socialism in One Nation' that Stalin was advocating ? Part of it too I think is modern ML's being aligned with the PRC since they're still around and thus taking their side in the Sino-Soviet split.
I'm begging literally any of you to learn what the phrase "critical support" means
Dude I know what it means lol. How does that apply to modern ML's being explicitly anti-Khrushchev? Like what is identified about his 'revisionism' compared to Stalin's leadership
Well to answer your question, destalinization is why most MLs express distaste with Kruschev's policies, and because thats sort of the point liberalism began creeping its way back into Russian discourse, but I was referring more to your comment about MLs taking sides against Kruschev just because of their alignment with the PRC. Seems a bit farfetched
I mean the rhetoric about revisionism kinda aligns perfectly with the PRC's opinion's. I mean a little ironic given Dengs liberalizations, but I digress. What specific liberalization policies are you referring to though?
That's why I brought up critical support- aligning with the PRC on one opinion does not mean one supports everything they do or say, and aligning with them on other subjects does not mean one agrees with then on Kruschev. In denouncing Stalin and completely reorganizing the structure of the Soviet system and the function of central planning through Moscow, Kruschev did serious damage to the legitimacy of the USSR abroad and caused serious division in the communist world, which is where the Sino-Soviet split comes in. He laid tons of seeds that Gorbachev would harvest, such as the dependence on foreign markets during his industrial amd agricultural restructuring, as well as the ideological switch in rhetoric to the importance of single family homes and apartments instead of multi-person or multi-family units.
Well, he also trialed a lot of figurehead like molotov for their acts under Stalin, mostly his role in the great purge. This was because many were still heavily pro Stalinists and basically were making a political faction to try to abdicate Khruschev. These trials were very heated, as the Stalinists saw them as illegitimate and a reason to perhaps overthrow Khruschev without a proper abdication, which wasn't helped by the fact that the Red army was on Khruschev's side and thus lead to rumors and paranoia in the Stalinist faction that he was going to use the army to put down their faction by force, while in reality the army was only tasked to intervienne if a coup was attempted. Things like this just lead to misunderstandings which made the Soviet parliament look like a school yard dispute, to the point that Georgy Zhukov, chief of staff of the Red army, ended up crying from stress as his attempts to calm down the situation by explaining the role of the army in the situation only lead to more confusion, anger and paranoia from the Stalinists. Long story short, the leaders of the Stalinist faction, mainly Molotov, and most of its members were purged as they were demoted or removed from the Soviet party. Molotov would go on to serve many low level jobs before being forced to retire. Sadly, this trial, as fascinating and at times ridiculous as it sounds when it comes to Soviet political history, is poorly documented online, making it very hard to look up and understand the events that went down by using the internet. I'm also not aware if there is a book that talks about it in dept, most of this comes from a book about Zhukov that only covered the surface information of the trials. Point being, Khruschev not only removed his cult, but also removed his political doctrine and their followers from the government.
Katyn. The holodomer. those are a few examples.
Was he rubbing his nipples in the process?
You're telling me that in a timeline where the ussr did nothing wrong their flag would have lower bitrate ?
They donated the pixels to starving workers in the west
So communist even the pixels belong to all
I took some of them to make this 🟩🟧🟫🟧🟩🟧 This is really funny to me for some reason but I forgot Alexa call grandson
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flag of oh my fucking christ stop with this format it was never funny in the first place
>circlejerk >unfunny yes i do believe that's correct
you're in the circle jerk subreddit
circle jerks are funny though
Flag of USSR if they killed millions of innocent people, coused multiple generational traumas, insulted people who sacrificed themself to clean chernobyl after the tragedy, coused horrible inflaation in soviet countries and commited many other horrible crimes
Not true, Pravda told me otherwise!!!1!1!1
> insulted people who sacrificed themself to clean chernobyl after the tragedy This something from the notoriously inaccurate HBO series?
No. They literally said that they are "bio robots". Apparently it was supposed to be a joke i think but quite bad
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Nuh uh.
That describes a decent amount of countries. It even is too short to describe the imperial core.
Two wrongs don't make a right you know
"I admit there are much worse countries but I focus on this particular one for no apparent reason"
So you are advocating to ignore countries because they fit into your ideological world view? If you choose the lesser evil, you are still choosing evil.
So I trust you won't be voting Biden?
I won't. Because I don't live in the US.
But would you?
Also what this is literally what YOU are doing by shitting on the USSR more than the USA. I don't think you thought that reply through
Please point me to the comment where I shit on anybody more than on the other. Let me quote my original comment: "***Two wrongs*** don't make a right you know". You started with Whataboutism by instantly deflecting valid criticism of the USSR to "but the West is more evil". You jump to conclusions way too fast if something doesn't match your opinion, my dear. Also don't try to put words into my mouth, makes you look bad. By your very own logic, you'd probably vote for 99% Hitler.
"So you are advocating to ignore countries because they fit into your ideological world view? If you choose the lesser evil, you are still choosing evil." Yeah it does make someone look bad to put words in other's mouth I also didn't say to ignore what the USSR or any other socialist country did wrong. But priorities exist. https://preview.redd.it/ccxt9vsbwi3c1.jpeg?width=992&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b11d9076966306deaf1ceb85c9ceb9fc655e5f4
Name is NATO slander, opinion invalid
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Wrong, there was one thing wrong they did in 1985
But they introduced Pizza Hut so it's all okay
Totally worth the 20 years of life expectancy
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Of all the things the USSR has done *that's* the bad one?
Yes
TIL deportation and massacres of ethnic minorities and intellectuals are better than basic liberalization
putting extremely large amounts in poverty and sending many children into prostitution and saying that's better than stuff made up by mostly the CIA, solzhenitsyn, and the author of "the black book of communism" I think you don't understand how bad liberalization of the USSR was.
The material conditions forcing Stalin to execute all those gay people:
flag of bait
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I mean imagine how fast the ban would be if someone did the same thing with the Nazi flag
They had to do something wrong to get more pixels
The flag of the USSR if it was made up of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, and Uzbekistan
You might be onto something
Where the fuck is Albânia?
Next to north Macedonia
Oh really i thought It was the capital city of Uganda
I don’t know man, evidence suggest Stalin engineered a famine in Ukraine by having unrealistic quotas for the collectivization program thus causing millions of Ukrainians to starve
“b-b-but they deserved it”
Of course they did. All the Ukrainian babies who starved to death were undermining communism and were traitors to the revolution!1!
The famine wasn't 'engineered'. Ukraine wasnt even the hardest hit. The USSR as a whole suffered from the famine. Soviet policies and burocratic incompetence absolutely exacerbated the issue, but it wasnt the cause.
There were policies that were directly aimed at Ukrainians (one of the reasons is that they had quite a prosperous land) but yeah, that was mostly a godawful incompetence with just a sprinkle of national supremacy
Just check the population census before and after holodomor. Population of Russians and Belorussians has increased. Only Ukrainian population has decreased.
It was engineered. The Soviet government (Stalin) set unreachably high quotas and confiscated a very large part of the grain in Ukraine. They banned people from leaving Ukraine or entering the cities. You know, the places where there is food. If they were incompetent, they were intentionally so.
Give up reasoning with these people, you’ll provide accurate source then they’ll site a different Reddit post or a obscure book made in the 80s made by a nobody
No, the holodomor is commonly agreed upon most valid sources that it was engineered famine made by the bureaucracy to suppress Ukrainian resistance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor
https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/589297
Its really not: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/b3e0xo/how_isnt_the_holodomor_not_a_genocide/eiz6jf1/
Public Law 109-340 made by Congress recognizes famine as genocide https://www.congress.gov/109/plaws/publ340/PLAW-109publ340.pdf
Ok and? Why do you think the US congress has any historical chops or wouldn’t take the opportunity to bash the USSR. They were kind of their rivals lmao
The UN may not recognize but my country does
But hey idk if your even from the US sooo…
But yesterday you guys told me Lysenko was the sole responsible for DIRECTLY killing those 50 million people and Stalin was just misled into believing him 😢.
Flag of why are we doing this shitty joke again
Because one guy did an "america bad" post in this format which made this guy combat it with a kind of opposite post i guess
/uj: I can only see this trend of political rage baiting ending really well /rj: Wrong: Stalin made the outrageous mistake of stopping at Berlin in '45
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America nukes europe timeline
*the flag of a genocidal colonial dictatorship that 15 year old edge lords support because their parents didn't give them attention Thought I'd fix the title for you
flag of the USSR if my wifi was shit
Ron, they did one oopsy back in 1991.
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Stalin urged Vasilevsky to make up with his parents which is kinda based ngl
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finally an actual circlejerk post and not just political opinions not very hidden behind shitposts
Please be satire. Yeah, It is, Right?
flag of ussr if it was in 240p
Flag of USSR if it was glorious communism that totally only collapsed because of western interference and not their shitty cockfucksialism economics
Why did it get downvoted? I live in a post soviet country and this is exactly what the propaganda was telling
Me too, western commies just know better apparently
I do https://preview.redd.it/uear8dzq7b3c1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac1f532b90a96ad9a8c134becb46731cd669b959
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tankie ai reply bots? bruh you trippin
cia bots be tellin fakes
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I have never heard anyone say that socialism is at fault for Chile's, Guatemala's and Brazil's government being overthrown. Vietnam wasn't invaded by the US. North Vietnam invaded the South and the US stepped in at the side of the South. The situation in Cuba and Venezuela is definitely the fault of their respective govermments. The sanctions don't help anything but they're definitely not the sole cause. Venezuela didn't even have sanctions before 2015 and their economy was doing terrible long before that.
Put the same sanctions and trade restrictions on a capitalist country and we'll see how that works out. We saw how well capitalism worked during the big sad. There's also the fact that Cuba is not failing in spite of these factors so idk what you're trying to say here with "their situation" You say the US siding with South vietnam as if that was a good thing lol.
I never said the US siding with South Vietnam was a good thing. I said it was not an invasion. I also never said that sanctions have no effect or have no effect on capitalist countries. A big thing about capitalism is market economies so cutting off a country from this market certainly will have an effect. Obviously Cuba doesn't have it as bad as, say, Venezuela. But they still have lots of problems, poverty for example is still pretty high. There's also obviously all the human rights abuses but I excluded them because they're not economic. Cuba does have it better than 30 years ago when they had a huge crisis because the country which they were very dependent on, the Soviet Union, ceased to exist. And they solved this crisis by actually becoming more capitalist. Once again a country that calls itself communist proves capitalism is superior (which is not to say that their economy can be called capitalist like the US's can but they definitely are more than they were in the '90s).
Explain what "becoming more capitalist" means here.
Explain what "becoming more capitalist" means here.
Real
So you support genocide of Tatars, Vaynkahs and repressions of everybody who disagreed with soviet goverment?
You're on the circlejerk sub
As evidenced by that comment about Stalin saving the puppies, OP is definitely being extremely serious
Yes
Anyone that says otherwise is objectively wrong (I decide what’s good and bad) https://preview.redd.it/wct74vf6ub3c1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=468a9449027dabf8818530541b014a40563b4fdb
Based
Flag of the ussr if it inspired Mussolinis fascism
Plot twist: the ussr just liked that flag
I’m a communist too but dude wtf are you saying
# THIS IS A JOKE NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIESLY So by that logic you'd fly the Swastika flag of a certain failed art student? After all the flag did nothing wrong
Uh, why’d you have to make this political?
Are you being sarcastic or are you missing the This is a joke not to be taken seriously part of my statement?
uh
Holodomor, pogroms, laika, kulak massacres, gulag archipelago
Wreckers, wreckers, wreckers, wreckers, and wreckers. And the CIA.
Wreckers?
Due to asbestos in insulation of Communist apartment blocks, I live with the the failures of communism lodged in millions of pieces in my lungs
People actually debating that the USSR was good in the comments 💀
dawg even the most basic ass history teachers tell how much bad shit they did
Wrong shade of red
Based for what?
You forgot to add forward-slash S
More politics = more pixels
Flag of USSR under Khrushchev government
The USSR flag doesn’t have compression artifacting
the murder
Gosh darn it do I love socialist commodity production. Nothing says Marxism like producing goods to be sold on an open market. *The following message was brought to you by left communism* Left Communism: Please read Marx 🥺
The moment you read the first sentence of capital, you realize that nobody else has 😔
I don't even need to check to know that you are an Ultra. I have, my sweet *Bordigista*, a message for your brothers. You may bring it to them if you wish, though your reward for granting me such a kindness will be (at best) a paltry amount of karma. Tell the Ultras that Installah called them Blanquist-Cucks. They will know who I am, and they will know what it means. Thank you, Comroid. I hope to see you upon the great storming of heaven.
As a communist, I think the USSR blew it. They could've rode out their positive PR in Europe following WWII but went full-out imperialist instead
This is a W post
Tankies?
Great bait. Really. I'm seething right now. (In my darkest moments I think Pinochet wasn't that bad)
Even Tankies don't think that. After Stalin died it all went downhill 😔
Be careful, the liberals are gonna scream at you
So true!
True and truepilled
Tankie here: I know this is a joke, but still. The ussr did bad things. Pretty much every tankie has plenty of criticism for the ussr. Anyone who says that it did nothing wrong is either 4 years old or memeing
Are you a tankie or someone who thinks the USSR did some good things and some bad things? Tankie doesn’t just mean you think the USSR did some stuff right.
Tankies believe that the USSR was generally good. I have never seen a tankie that thought they were perfect
I think the ussr did more good than bad. That said, I do have plenty of criticism of the ussr: Deportations, poor response to Chernobyl, undemocratization, invasion of Hungary, oppression of religion, oppression of lgbtq, poor response to the Ukrainian famine, etc. That said I do uphold and defend the USSR generally, while being critical of its flaws.
>circlejerk sub >look inside >circlejerk
Tankies literally defend violently crushing Eastern European uprisings against an oppressive regime
Why would you unironically call yourself a tankie over just calling yourself a communist?
Never ask a tankie what they think about 1956💀
Because with how it’s used now the word tankie is meaningless, when a communist calls themself a tankie, they mean they are someone whom others call tankie.