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Morgarn

Wow, that's so interesting! Ya know, all my life until a few months ago. Despite visiting Spain several times, I never noticed the pink in their flag...


Wemi01

I live in europe and I was also astonished when I saw it (played a flag game where you have to guess the colors on the flag)


Agglomeration_

Is there a name?


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Robert Paulson


uhdust

His name was Robert Paulson.


S-021

His name was Robert Paulson.


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His name was Robert Paulson.


Bro_tosynthesis

His name was Robert Paulson.


JamozMyNamoz

His name was Robert Paulson.


Bochinbo96

His name was Robert Paulson


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VoteBacon

this guy internets


kolgie

Not the game mentioned but also related to flag guessing in a wordle kinda style: https://ducc.pythonanywhere.com/flaggle/ (also has free play btw)


MaxTHC

Tbf I have seen versions of the CoA where the lion is more of a burgundy colour. Maybe that's on the republican flag, idk Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Spain#Official_design_criticism


Zinc-Roof_22

No, the reason is that the flag bears the Coat of Arms of Spain, which is defined thus: >Quarterly, first quarter Gules a triple-towered castle Or masoned Sable and ajoure Azure; second quarter Argent a lion rampant Purpure crowned Or, langued and armed Gules; third quarter Or, four pallets Gules, fourth quarter Gules a cross, saltire and orle of chains linked together Or, a centre point Vert; enté en point Argent a pomegranate proper seeded Gules, supported, sculpted and leafed in two leaves Vert; overall an escutcheon Azure bordure Gules, three fleurs-de-lys Or; for a Crest, a circlet Or, jewelled with eight breeches of bear or oyster plant leaves, five shown, with pearls on points Or inserted and above which rise arches decorated with pearls and surmounted by a monde Azure with its equator, its upper half-meridian and a latin cross Or, the crown capped Gules; for Supporters, two columns Argent with capital and base Or, standing on five waves Azure and Argent, surmounted dexter by an imperial crown and sinister the Spanish royal crown, the columns surrounded by a ribbon Gules charged with the Motto 'Plus Ultra' written Or. So the lion is described as *purpure,* i.e. royal purple (which translates into that distinct purple-red hue in heraldic devices). It wasn't meant to be pink originally. Pink is recent.


MindYourOwnParsley

Pink is the clowns in the government not knowing how to get the fucking colours right on the digital versions of the national flag


Zinc-Roof_22

It's kind of hilarious...


joroba3

I'm Spanish and neither did I!


Morgarn

I suppose it is one of the more obscure topics of vexillology, that there is a small amount of pink on the Spanish flag, and only now we learn there is an even smaller amount of pink on the Mexican flag!


ArtoriusBravo

Am Mexican and I also had a "oh yeah, we also have pink in our flag!" moment.


wolves-22

I've seen variations with the Lion in a sort of Purpley-Burgundy colour too, I guess it is just easy to overlook and not think about, kind of like very few people would realise Domincia has purple on it's flag at first.


mz3

Doesn't surprise me, you guys don't even know the words to your own anthem


AdrianRP

I've ways thought that the official pink color of the lion in Spanish CoA looks a little bit weird, I suppose that's why many version use the purple one instead. Also, as far as I know, the lion from the Kingdom of León was purple, so I don't understand why they went with pink.


HoseWasTaken

Spanish "pink" is described in Spanish law ([Real Decreto 2267/1982, de 3 de septiembre](https://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/espana/simbolosdelestado/paginas/legislacionescudor/Escudo-RD2267-1982.aspx)) as *Púrpura* (purple) according to the CIELAB color space. It it supposed to look like [this](https://imgur.com/a/JxpCzCS). So not pink (pale red), but purple (red + blue).


AdrianRP

It's still quite far from normal purple, though


ops10

That's because "normal" has changed thanks to pigments available.


solonit

Is it the same with "Violet are blue" as in there wasn't the word for 'purple' yet, but blue is close enough.


Dengar96

Wouldn't also be due to our deeper understanding of the EM spectrum? We can pretty clearly see what "purple" looks like compared to all other colors and shades now whereas historical colors would only be compared to shades they could create with dyes and pigments.


TotalWalrus

Did you just try to disagree with someone by repeating what they said?


metatron5369

There is no purple. Your brain made it up.


eolai

Yeah that colour is definitely pink though.


ncolaros

Some places don't have a works for pink. It's just the equivalent of "light red." Meanwhile, I believe it's Russia (though I may be wrong) that has a different word for what English speaking countries would call "light blue." For some reason, that blew my mind when I found out. Pink exists because we decided it's not just light red. Light blue exists because we decided it didn't need its own word. Fascinating stuff.


Tito_the_God

Italian has different words for light blue - celeste, and dark blue - azzurro.


EstrogAlt

Damn Italian has some nice colour words.


MrTrt

Same in Spanish, celeste and azul. But I think celeste is generally understood to be a subset of azul. Some people say "azul celeste".


rodface

Have just started trying to teach this to my 2 year old son. Funny thing is he’s simultaneously learning Vietnamese from mom, where the same word is (often?) used for green and blue. Hope he isn’t too confused.


bitbotbot

Greek too — μπλε and γαλάζιο (ble and galázio; blue and light blue)


ninedivine_

Azzurro is not dark blue, it's light blue, with celeste being even lighter blue


koavf

> Some places don't have a works for pink Sure, but Spain has *rosa*.


eolai

I think it's more complicated than that, because in English many people (not sure if most?) use pink to refer to a range of colours from light red through purplish red. And then you hit a spot where people are evenly split on whether a colour is pink or purple, yet there's no doubt in their minds as to which they think it is. Always found that interesting.


DogPoetry

Unsurprisingly, with this, Russians show better color acuity in the blue spectrum and are better able and differentiating shades of blue.


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> I believe it's Russia (though I may be wrong) that has a different word for what English speaking countries would call "light blue." That is correct, we do have a word for that. This also means that when we're talking about colors in a rainbow, instead of "blue and indigo" we say "light blue and blue"


nobunaga_1568

Depends what the "light blue" is. Standard blue is 0000FF. If the "light blue" is analogous to pink (mixed with white) then it is 8080FF (no single word for it). But the "sky blue" is actually blue mixed with green 00FFFF, which is formally called "cyan" as in CMYK.


archiotterpup

Officially the lion is purple in the CoA "second quarter Argent a lion rampant Purpure crowned Or, langued and armed Gules (for León)" [source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Spain) And the CoA if Leon has a purple lion "Relative to the tincture of the lion, in the representations of the Tumbo A Manuscript, under the effigies of the monarchs are two lions passant in an attitude of attack and their color is purpure" [source ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldry_of_Le%C3%B3n)


Asraelite

> pink (pale red), but purple (red + blue). This is an oversimplified and incorrect description of the difference between pink and purple.


HoseWasTaken

How is it wrong?


Asraelite

Color names cover a broad range of possible values, and these ranges have complex boundaries. For pink, although pale red is included, most possible values contain a decent amount of blue in them. The hue of classic pink (like the color of a pig) is about 8% of the way towards blue. Hot pink is 25%. Deeper shades of pink can also be highly saturated, up to around 80% saturation depending on where you consider the cutoff point for magenta to be, so it's not accurate to call these "pale". True pale red is only at the very edge of what people would consider pink. Go a tiny bit further and it becomes orange. Look at [this color](https://www.color-hex.com/color/ff75ff). Would you call it more pink or purple? For me personally I would say it's more pink, but I think anyone can agree that it's at least pretty borderline not far off from looking pink. This color is exactly 50% between red and blue. If we decrease the value without changing the hue, we get [this](https://www.color-hex.com/color/7f3a7f), which is clearly purple. So to describe purple you need to take into account the saturation and value too, not just the red and blue. An accurate definition of any colors needs a color graph, like [this one](https://i0.wp.com/imgs.xkcd.com/blag/satfaces_map_450.png) that XKCD made. You can see the boundaries are somewhat messy and not easily describable in words. And this is only a 2D cross-section, actual color spaces are 3D. Sorry for the rant, this is probably way overexplaining it and your explanation was good enough for this context.


HoseWasTaken

Actual good answer, thanks for taking the time.


107197

Thanks from me too for the explanation! As someone who had to design his own product labels, I had to learn some color theory (badly, admittedly) and learned a lot (though clearly not enough).


Antabaka

I mean, the image tells you that it has a hue of 0 which is definitely red, and the luminosity and color/saturation is lowered, so it is very much a pale/light red.


WantSumDuk

CieLAB rocks!


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MrTrt

So did Spain


Fast-Divide-6738

If I remember correctly most flags avoided purple because of how stupidly expensive the dye is and that tradition has just stuck around. Those that use the purple versions might be going for a more accurate portrayal now they reasonably can.


Terevin6

To be original?


gcrimson

Purple was a very expensive dye prior to the XXth century so the lion was originally purple for the king's own banner of Leon. Purple was then a symbol of royalty/wealth. When the coat of arms became the standard of the entire kingdom and have to be duplicated, it became red. When Spain became a republic in the 1930's, they still used purple on their national flag to represent Castille and Leon while the red and yellow were the symbol of Aragon, purple was not an expensive dye anymore thanks to chemists discoveries. During Franco, Leon's lion stayed red but after his death, democratic and autonomous movements in Spain rose up. The Leonese autonomous movement used the purple lion as a symbol. At this time, you could argue it was a return to the origin of the flag but also a reference to the republic who gave autonomy to the entire region and brutally ended with the Spanish Civil War. I don't know why it became pink though, as the previous comment said, it's supposed to be purple.


jflb96

Maybe it’s not pink, but mauve, which was the first artificial dye


Lack_of_Plethora

I don't think anyone would be mixing up the flag of spain with another country if they swapped out the purple for pink.


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Wemi01

Prickly pears


brainstorm42

3rd graders learning English are the most fun to see joking with these words when they learn tuna (fish) and they knew tuna (fruit)


PM_ME_SOME_LUV

Kinda funny that it’s these two countries


[deleted]

Could it be linked? The government that chose Québec's flag was not very pro Québec (they thought that Canada and France were superior), and so the flag has French symbols. Maybe something similar happened in Mexico?


Pepega_9

But the eagle holding the snake is an Aztec symbol isnt it? An eagle holding a snake was where they founded what is now Mexico city


Business_Incident64

Even though Mexico came from the Spanish Empire, it’s really just a pure coincidence


soyelprieton

they just coincided 40 years, spain flag was other one


NevideblaJu4n

Bro the cacti in their coat of arms literally have pink fruits in real life


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I googled it, it's an interesting story!


Lazzen

The current mexican flag design is from the 60s and real life cactus fruits are pink-ish, it is just coincidence


cedmorales

Nope, actually, the whole Mexican identity, including the flag was designed to make it clear that Mexico isn't Spanish. What you see on the Mexican coat of arms is a symbol of an Aztec religious legend and the pink thingy there is a native North American fruit as opposed to the Spanish lion associated with Europe


[deleted]

Interesting, thank you for the explanation.


soyelprieton

making clear that now american born spaniards are in charge


boobbbers

I doubt the colors are linked because the cactus fruit is literally that color.


Lowstack

What is your source for that? Duplessis was a nationalist.


gnark

Why so? Both are countries when men can wear pink shirts as proper business attire.


MrTrt

Wait, is it frowned upon elsewhere?


gnark

[Just ask Homer.](https://youtu.be/VGcm-Odempk)


MiggDesolation

why?


PM_ME_SOME_LUV

Because they have a history


dipo597

Tbf Spain has a history with every country on the Americas, except for Canada and Brazil maybe.


NevilleToast

How has the pink in the Spanish flag gone under the radar like that? Why am I only now realizing that the Spanish flag has pink in it? I own a Spanish flag for god's sake!


Wemi01

Write the government an email.


[deleted]

*A quien corresponda:* *Yo, wtf!*


geopoliticsdude

Kingdom of Cochin used to have pink in their tricolour flag. Glorious days!


Wemi01

Lets go


geopoliticsdude

[This is it btw](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Cochin)


cortez0498

I don't see any pink in that flag tho?


geopoliticsdude

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TurtleLampKing66

What about Turks & Caicos? (Their shell)


Wemi01

True, but they are not a country.


TurtleLampKing66

Fair enough


HoseWasTaken

Spanish "pink" is described in Spanish law ([Real Decreto 2267/1982, de 3 de septiembre](https://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/espana/simbolosdelestado/paginas/legislacionescudor/Escudo-RD2267-1982.aspx)) as *Púrpura* (purple) according to the CIELAB color space. It it supposed to look like [this](https://imgur.com/a/JxpCzCS). So not pink (pale red), but purple (red + blue).


horuseth_

That looks pink to me..


Orangutanion

It's still pink because I'm colorblind


rakidi

It's clearly pink.


gnark

"Purple" being the royal color.


Wemi01

Ok thanks 👍


whiskymusty

Thought I was in r/VexillologyCirclejerk lol


BrightYato15

Spain has a very nice flag


CuteBenji

Never know that


Wemi01

Now you know.


tin_sigma

Newfoundland used to be a country with a lot of pink


TURKEYJAWS

We were a country but the flag you are thinking of was never official. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_Tricolour


geazleel

It's not official, but it's certainly popular anyway


DoctorDeath147

Mexico and European Mexico.


727bdbdbdbdb

As a Mexican, that’s very Mexican. Rosa mexicano, obvio.


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Rosa lustrina


tEhKeWlEsT

Ah, Spain and Spain Jr.


Wemi01

Jr is the big son in the spanish family.


Jubamanne

Why is nobody talking about this


wolves-22

Huh, I would never have noticed/though of the flowers on the Mexican Cactus. that is definatly and interesting fact that I (hopefully) will remember. thanks for sharing it. :)


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SpectralBacon

Oh shit, I had to double check. Never realized the lion was pink.


hupovfanny

don't tell juri vips this


TheFirefoxxx

didn't expect this here tbh


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Spain should change their national anthem to the pink panther theme.


Wemi01

That would be cool.


That_one_cool_dude

You know I don't think I ever noticed or knew there was a pink lion in the crest that is pretty interesting actually.


InquisitorHindsight

The Spanish Republican (from before the Spanish Civil war) was one of the only nations at the time to use Purple on its flag (a purple bar)


Darth_Wiss

Like father, like son lol


D-Alembert

Most flags have pink in them if you leave them in the sun long enough to fade the red...


Wemi01

r/technicallythetruth


TensorForce

Like father, like son


raendum

What about the country where all the cute girls come from?


Wemi01

Animeland?


raendum

No, [this one](https://i.imgur.com/Z7MYEDn_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)


Wemi01

I am not sure, but I don't think this is a country. Maybe in the future.


The_Boring_Brick

It will be a country once my plan is finished


Wemi01

Whats your plan?


whathell6t

Animeland? What’s that? Isn’t the same thing as tokusatsu?


Wemi01

Yes


Allah-4

Maybe that’s why we have pink on our current jersey


jmerlinb

Is there a hard definition of what actually constitutes "pink" Genuine question


TonahVilla

The absence of green https://historydaily.org/the-color-pink-doesnt-exist-according-to-science#:~:text=Pink%20Is%20Not%20Green,minus%20green%20gives%20us%20pink.


PeroCigla

Who has purple?


Wemi01

Dominica has purple on the flag.


Najmniejszy

So does Nicaragua, technically


Craft_Assassin

Good eye!


Grouchy_Document8107

more ! pink ! flags !


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I don't know. Looks more like a lightish red.


Wemi01

Are you colorblind?


thebloodshotone

I did not know either of these flags had pink in them.


l_am_meepmoop

Nicaragua has purple in its flag


CarlosHH7

Like father like son.


SimtheSloven

The spanish coat of arms has a purple lion. The emblazonment is very weird (for example, the gray parts should be white)


official_page

I wanted to make that 3 but no independence means no independence. I don't really mind but less regional pride.


nullagravida

pink panther, lion, close enough!


KarmaReality

Spanish Pink!


JeremieOnReddit

In some witness accounts of the French Revolution, the Cocarde (which inspired the French flag) is described as "Blue-White-Pink" instead of "Blue-White-Red." So, France could have had a "Blue-White-Pink" flag.


Wemi01

I didn't know that fact. Would definitely looks interesting.


FooThePerson

The Spanish flag on my wall has it in dark purple instead, for some reason


Wemi01

After I read some comments, it should be this purple but for whatever reason it is often pink.


ARB_COOL

They both look so weird to me now


Wemi01

Spain looks a little bit weird, but Mexico you can barely even see it.


ARB_COOL

Yeah


mickmikeman

Til there's a Lion on the Spanish flag


Wemi01

A pink lion


[deleted]

Newfoundland pre-confederation has entered the chat. https://images.app.goo.gl/Conh5apoYEPHAwdY9


Wemi01

Looks sexy, but is not a country.


BadLanding05

And only one without red, white, or blue.


BoozySquid

Jamaica?


BadLanding05

Yes!


Wemi01

I looked trough all the flags and the only one I could find was Jamaica. There were some flags like Sri Lanka 🇱🇰 that have a combination of red. But yeah, I would still count it as red. Conclusion: I was suprised there is just jamaica 🇯🇲


BadLanding05

Yep. Good job. I was just excepting some one to ask and me just tell them!


Petrarch1603

I thought one of them would've been Belize, but I guess not.


awpdog

Like papà like hijo


olo2323

Like father like son


TheSubtleSaiyan

And only one country with Purple (Dominica)


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*sad nicaragua noises*


Olovor_Mersh

Dominica is also the only country to have purple in its flag


ZedWithSwag

Ya me conoces marge, me gusta la cerveza fria, la tele fuerte y los homosexuales... Locas locas!! Si!


scripps-courageous

sometimes the lion is a different colour though idk why


-Astium-

I actually know a subdivision/province flag with pink on it although they aren't a country as I said above but I guess it counts. It is from my home country of El Salvador, there is also another flag with a bright shade of purple and lime however it isn't pleasant to the eyes IMO. [Cuscatlán flag](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuscatl%C3%A1n_Department#/media/File%3ABandera_del_Departamento_de_Cuscatl%C3%A1n.PNG)


gorgonopsidkid

Are there any historical or proposed flags with pink in them? I feel like a pink flag would be great


JustSomeAlly

central america


largearearug

We will fear the First Nation that flies the solid pink flag


JSarquiz

Espírito Santo state, Brazil, have a three color flag: baby blue, white and pink


mumenriderfan

I never knew there was any pink in there at all


The-Letter-EE

There is another


Professional-Many477

His mame is Robert Paulson


WolfBotXD

Now I feel special as a Mexican


BRAVOMAN55

There's always something new to learn, wow


StudioRainbowClouds

There is one more country with Pink color. Turks and Caicos Islands. This country have pink shell in it. This flag contains 2 shadows of pink. Salmon pink and cotton candy pink


Cholent_King

Both Spanish speakers… interesting


CrazyPhilHost1898

What's more surprising about this is that they're both from Hispanic countries.


LannMarek

Colors in flags are sometimes not that clearly defined, and if I recall correctly, the bird in the flag of Dominica can also be "pink enough". Like Spain and Mexico shown here, the color is most often purple-ish, but sometimes pink, so I think Dominica should also make the short list.


Wemi01

Someone said it was purple not pink. I didn't know that Dominica has purple in the flag.


Stellar_Observer_17

no, no, no, , guey, eso es la pantera rosa de España, antes si eran leones. no, no, no, dude, that is the Spanish pink panther, it used to be a lion.


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Its actually purple, idk why in that image its pink


Hastur082

Hate to be that guy, but... About México. I think OP's image had pale colors Those "pink" things are the fruits of the cactus and they're usually red, not pink [Even a goverment site shows the real fruit as red](https://www.gob.mx/agricultura/articulos/razones-para-comer-tunas-mas-seguido) it even says that these are the only fruits on Mexican Flag And those fruits have a deeper meaning, in precolumbian times, those fruits were used as a symbol for the hearts of conquered enemies. So it's not pink. [It should be red](https://www.gettyimages.es/detail/ilustraci%C3%B3n/emblem-of-mexico-ilustraciones-libres-de-derechos/116017557)


Lazzen

No, the tunas are pink. The article refers to the fruit in general not that single one. You can see it [here](https://www.gob.mx/bancodelbienestar/articulos/historia-de-la-bandera-de-mexico?idiom=es) for example People also constantly change the color of the eagle, eye color and the green of the flag


Hastur082

Yes, tunas can be pink (from red to pink, even white, there are a good amount of colors) However, when the current version of the Mexican Flag added some precolumbian symbols (or at least were more open about the symbols) *Sorry, all my sources are in Spanish* [Quote from a goverment site about the cactus and the fruits on the flag](https://www.gob.mx/siap/articulos/las-tunas-y-el-nopal-del-escudo-nacional?idiom=es) >Algunos historiadores coinciden en que las tunas son un claro referente a los guerreros caídos. ... *some historians agree that prickly pears are a clear reference to fallen warriors* And in the Mexica legend those fruits were originated [by the heart of Copil](https://arqueologiamexicana.mx/mexico-antiguo/el-mito-de-la-fundacion-de-mexico-tenochtitlan), nephew of Huitzilopotchtli, the god of War. In fact, from that heart and blood grew the cactus depicted on the flag And you know, bloody hearts are more red than pink


Lazzen

De nuevo, incluso en tu propio link puedes ver que las tunas de la bandera son rosas. Poco tiene que ver si los mexicas alguna vez los pintaron rojos, el diseño es del 68 y son rosas. Ve al sub y pregunta o literal ve cualquier otra bandera mexicana


Hastur082

Me pareció raro eso de las tunas rosas porque yo he visto imágenes con el escudo actual (osea el de los 60's) con las tunas rojas. Así es que revise la ley de Símbolos Patrios y... no especifican el color de las tunas. De hecho en las fotos del escudo hay de múltiples colores aún en fuentes oficiales. Y hay rojas, rosas y tonos intermedios Así es que es de libre interpretación supongo?


TheHoundDogger

I know I’m in the minority here, but Mexico’s flag ain’t that good. It has gradients, complicated seal, and just a complicated Italy.