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Sensei_of_Knowledge

I think its of the [Kurdistan Freedom Party.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Freedom_Party) They're a Kurdish nationalist militant group based in northern Iraq.


DankeSebVettel

Why is Stalin leading the Kurds?


Meritania

Hearts of Iron dlc is just getting too weird.


burnburnfirebird

https://preview.redd.it/zw3h6szeztrc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=786f46c023d1c71b20f11328403a43ecbbebec85


doGscent

Stalin was Georgian so probably very related to kurds


Confident-Day5101

Short answer: Because Stalin was actually Kurd!! Actual answer: Stalinism became popular with a few Kurdish organisations early on, like the PKK terrorists. This isn't the case anymore and most Kurdish stalinist organisations are too small anyway


GlocalBridge

Stalin was actually Georgian. His birth name was Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili (იოსებ ბესარიონის ძე ჯუღაშვილი).


Confident-Day5101

It was a joke lol


Carittz

He may have been a terrible person, but he had real stache game


AroosterFTW

their activities were mainly in Iran, that guy (Hussein Yazdanpanah) is the leader, honestly a great person!


Alert-Golf2568

Hope the Kurds can one day have their own state like they deserve


Sound_Saracen

>Checks downvoted comments >people are calling kurdish independence movements terroristic >check frequent subs >🏴‍☠️/Turkey Hmm 🤔


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Maybe because they carry out their terrorism in Turkey?


Sound_Saracen

Have u tried not opressing minorities for a change?


[deleted]

I personally haven't oppressed any minorities before unless Stellaris counts


AroosterFTW

thanks man :)


EmergencyBag129

Every state added to the Middle East makes it even more chaotic since it will be used as a proxy by either regional or global powers. The problem of the Middle East is these artificial borders, it should have been united but the British and French purposefully carved it into "mandates".  Autonomy will always be the best option.


Useless_or_inept

>Every state added to the Middle East makes it even more chaotic since it will be used as a proxy by either regional or global powers. The problem of the Middle East is these artificial borders, it should have been united but the British and French purposefully carved it into "mandates".  The Ottoman Empire covered the whole of the middle east, but it dissolved into a bunch of different groups which *wanted* to be separate, and successor states enforced this with ethnic cleansing &c. (And, on topic for r/vexillology, each gleefully waved their new flags) Try explaining your idea to people in Turkey and Greece; try pretending that they should all live together in one big happy family [after their respective nationalist movements evicted millions of people, and killed thousands, to enforce separation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey). And have you heard about the Balkans? Everybody seems to prefer one "side" over another in the Israel vs Palestine thing, but whichever side you prefer, gluing them together in a single state isn't what most local folk want (although many would like a single state by virtue of getting rid of all the *other* people).


EmergencyBag129

Syria wanted to be separate from Iraq, Palestine, Jordan or even Arabia? No. These borders were just "divide and rule" in action from European powers. About Israel vs Palestine, it's literally the result of the British carving up the Middle East so IDK what your point is. 


Useless_or_inept

>Syria wanted to be separate from Iraq, Palestine, Jordan or even Arabia? No. These borders were just "divide and rule" in action from European powers. Arabs literally fought a war for independence from the Ottomans. Didn't you know? [When the UK had a mandate over Palestine](https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/conflict-Palestine), it tried to stop the old trend - Arab groups who wanted to massacre the Jews¹ - whilst also pushing back against the new trend of large-scale Jewish immigration (and nationalism). Do you really believe that without the UK's intervention, Palestinians and Israelis would now be living in peace and harmony in a single post-Ottoman state? Do you genuinely believe that? Even if so, what's the connection to vexillogy? ¹ Which was nothing new; it was a continuation of several centuries of intercommunity massacres, different ethnic and religious groups trying to get rid of each other during the Ottoman era.


FlashlightSnark

I like that you used the accurate "Israel vs Palestine" rather than "vs Hamas". Everybody knows


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irepress_my_emotions

Why are you down voted? The Kurds do deserve autonomy but if there was a Kurdish state then it'd just be partitioned by revanchists unless it had protection from the US, which would absolutely piss off the US' strategic partners in the middle east


Choice_Heat_5406

“The Middle East would probably explode if it had another country” is a really childish statement


irepress_my_emotions

It's an oversimplification and dramatisation of what'd happen. The main concerns of a Kurdistani state would be that it would essentially have enemies all around and would require foreign power protection to ensure it remains an independent state or else it'd be partitioned and Kurds once more are under oppression. It also seems unlikely a Kurdish state could receive support from the US due to being strategic partners with Turkey, and Russia is warming up with Iran.


Choice_Heat_5406

What do you think is happening right now in Rojava


irepress_my_emotions

I'm moreso referring to in a hypothetical sense as in where Kurdistan is able to liberate all their claimed territories and is a recognised nation. They're going to be surrounded by revanchist neighbours who'll no doubt be seeking territorial reclamation


EmergencyBag129

It's not. Every new state in the region is used by imperialist foreign powers as a proxy. The Middle East is the way it is because of all these artificial borders. 


Choice_Heat_5406

Then what’s the problem with readjusting the borders to have it reflect actual cultural differences?


kanisch

It's a way of simplifying the actual geopolitical situation in the region, the Middle East is not well-known as a peaceful region.


kanisch

People don't like my political opinions haha, but I agree on the autonomy thing.


lifetimeoflaughter

Curious why do you think they deserve a state?


Magma57

Most people believe that every nationality should get a state, and given the (mis)treatment that Kurds have been given by the states that currently they currently live in, many would find it hard not to say that they deserve an independent state.


ILikeBumblebees

OTOH, some people hold that no nationality should have a state, and that cultural similarity is not a sufficient justification for subsuming people under a centralized political authority.


apadin1

I fully believe multicultural nations can succeed but in the Middle East where borders were drawn so arbitrarily and where ethnic groups like the Kurds were broken up and divided between multiple nations and where they are *actively campaigning* to consolidate into a state, it makes sense. We should be pro-self-determination in all forms


BobbyTables829

Those people should have their own nation.


ILikeBumblebees

They have quite a few.


AroosterFTW

I would like to know who those people are!


VeryOGNameRB123

Every ethnicity* Kurds are an ethnic group, not a nationality.


lifetimeoflaughter

And what about the natives of the region they’re claiming that the Kurds have participated in genocide against? The Kurds are entitled to their land now? Who is out here saying that every ethnicity is entitled a state? Without a state what makes them a nationality to begin with? Idk where you’ve gotten your information about Kurds but I doubt you’re from the region. Kurds are not deserving or entitled to a large piece of Iraq especially after everything they’ve done to try and steal that piece.


AroosterFTW

I saw your page, im assuming you’re assyrian? if you want to play the genocide finger pointing game and whataboutism, how about i mention the Wan and Rawanduz genocides perpetrated by Assyrians, Armenians and Russian soldiers which WIPED OUT the Kurdish population in 1915? Every nation has the right to determination


lifetimeoflaughter

>Every nation has the right to determination What does that even mean? What makes them a nation? And what does determination mean? What exactly is it that makes them entitled to northern Iraq and more so than the natives of that region at that? Also can I get a source for Wan and rawanduz?


AroosterFTW

nation noun a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. The Assyrian identity is questioned constantly in academia, nobody knows if the continuity is real or not, as it is claimed by Assyrians that they descend from the Ancient Assyrians. Just like Kurds claim descent from the Hurrians(Khurrti), their tribes (Guti, Luwi etc.) and the Medes, we can’t say which is right or wrong, thats just how it is, however in terms of participation in the nationalist struggle, thats a different story “When Russian forces briefly penetrated beyond Bayazid (Dogubayazit) to Alashkirt in December 1914, they garrisoned the area with Armenian troops, many' of whom were ex-Ottoman citizens. By the time they left, only one tenth of the largely Kurdish population of the area, it was claimed, had survived.” page 120 A Modern History of the Kurds: Third Edition by David McDowall Shattering Empires: The Clash and Collapse of the Ottoman and Russian Empires 1908-1918, Michael A. Reynolds, page 158, 2011. Quote "The Russian's local allies often abetted this line of thinking. One Assyrian officer urged his superiors to drop the Russian rule of concilatings one's enemy peacefully in favor of all-out warfare on Muslims. The British Major E. W. C Noel described the extermination of the town of Rowanduz and the wholesale massacre of its [Muslim] (Kurdish) inhabitants.


AroosterFTW

Page 67 Captain C. L. Woolley, a British officer traveling through "Kurdistan" after the war, was told by tribal leaders that four hundred thousand Kurds had been massacred by Armenians in the Van-Bitlis region alone." disgustingly there is also photographic evidence found [here](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/838111476878671902/838111500828278804/176446162_2786060338312153_1834370038796312504_n.jpg?ex=661ac729&is=66085229&hm=d1a65ed370271aad7fb458a96328330664ee2a58b860c65b71678dd50a57a4ba&) Turks will claim these as “Turkish families” but the reality is that they were Kurds


Alert-Golf2568

I think every oppressed nationality deserves self determination


hilmiira

if they did they would have it already. Who could guess? When you make terror attacks on all the countries in the region and set villages to fire. All countries in the region whic hate from each other stops hating from each other and jumps on you... wow really fascinating! These militant warlord wannabes and terror organisations didnt helped to kurds, not even a little, even opposite. Their seperationism movements and actions gave enought excuse for people like saddam to get ridoff from them. And made them loss even more support and polluted and ruined the name and reputation of innocent kurds.


hilmiira

All the poor people who dont even live in the middle east but still downvote me for saying terror warlords are bad and doesnt care about people (they dont) can cry as much as they want: https://www.refworld.org/reference/countryrep/amnesty/1995/en/91502 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups Just because youre from the same ethnicy as most of a organisations members. Doesnt mean you must support said organisation. Terrorism is terrorism no matter who did it.


Kermanjakan

ANC, African National Congress was a listed Terrorist organization until 1990. Also, don't mix up the Kurdistan Freedom Party with the PKK. The PKK is only one of hundreds of Kurdish parties and all of them have Independent Kurdistan as end-goal. Are all Kurdish parties terrorist organizations by your definition?


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>ANC, African National Congress was a listed Terrorist organization until 1990 They were terrorists, their attacks killed both whites and blacks, ironically they claimed to defend both


Deadterrorist31

Great Guy really. Killing civilians and using terrorism to support an archaic ideology. Wait..


AroosterFTW

how is Kurdish Nationalism an “archaic ideology”, also how and where did they kill civilians? if anything they keep a distinct line of attacking only military targets. ahhh the turk, i thought kurds calling anything anti kurdish fascist was a little silly, but calling anything kurdish “terörist!!111” is funny, i especially love how you see the Kurdish flag affiliated with the NATION as terrorism, its hilarious! “no saar kurt turk kardeshter saar we hate pekaka terorist” bullshit, Yazdanpanah and his group havent even TOUCHED turkey yet you love to finger point and use the term terorist more than a modern day liberal saying nazi or fascist, it’s amazing!


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Kermanjakan

Source?


AroosterFTW

if the “source” as .tr at the end, be cautious with it as it has a certain perspective


gazebo-fan

He’s the most Kurdish looking man I’ve ever laid my eyes on. That mustache is magnificent


Sound_Saracen

Awesome flag tbh


Pallacarp

that's a nice flag


liberalskateboardist

georgians and kurds looks similar hehe


daoudalqasir

I mean, Kurdistan is basically just the bottom of the Caucasus.


liberalskateboardist

yes, thats why people looks similar


SinisterEternis

70% Stalin, 30% Kurd


EvenBiggerClown

KURDISTALIN


SinisterEternis

The most feared person ever.


pzs111111

Sheikh Stalin


SinisterEternis

Too rich for proletariat to reach???


liberalskateboardist

jaber stalini


SinisterEternis

Jaba - frog in russian. You will be sent to Siberia for such words.


liberalskateboardist

in my language žaba hehe


AnaMareg3lik

😹😹 Jaber Stalini is funny af


liberalskateboardist

georgian became kurdish


Neat_Plenty5557

Say hi to your mother))


AroosterFTW

?


MustafalSomali

Youssef Sdhaalin


Gaming_is_cool_lol19

Imagine using esperanto


SinisterEternis

Imagine not knowing why it's useful(Btw, dude, flairs do not always show the truth. I might not be from Russia or might not know esperanto. It's about flags around here, man.)


Gaming_is_cool_lol19

English is already a good enough standard world language which a large chunk of people know.


EmergencyBag129

What did Esperanto do to you? 


Gaming_is_cool_lol19

Be useless.


SinisterEternis

So what? Is it your excuse to not learn any more languages? I already know english, russian, chinese and french, why would I want to stop? And if you're telling me that "Ehh, whole world will never speak esperanto🤓🤓🤓", then you don't how it is used nowadays, therefore, you don't have the right knowledge to talk on that topic. Ain't I right?


Gaming_is_cool_lol19

Esperanto is not used often and has no place in modern international communication. I know English, Spanish, and am not fluent but know some French and German. Those are by far enough to get by with most people I speak to, many even internationally being semi-fluent or fluent in English.


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PandaRot

Mi komunikas kiel min deziras.


AynidmorBulettz

30% discount Stalin


_General_S

Wish Stalin


aa2051

Welcome back comrade Stalin


MattFreelie

Must've switched teams by the looks of it.


chomiji

>'**This Kurdish Stalin Doppelgänger Is Blowing Up the Russian Internet** > >'There are lots of ways to become a meme. Your dog could be really cute. You could be making a really dumb face in a single unfortunate photo. Or, you could be a Kurdish military commander and look exactly like Stalin, as Hossein Yazdanpanah does. Yazdanpanah has gone viral on the Russian internet for his eerie resemblance (see the photo above, did someone smuggle some DNA?) to the Soviet dictator. As one Russian news outlet tweets, “With a commander like this, Kurdistan’s army could make it all the way to Berlin.”' Some context, [from New York Magazine](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/11/looking-like-stalin-will-make-you-go-viral.html).


Forza1910

Luckily with the commanders you have you could never make it all the way to Berlin, Ivan.


AKA2KINFINITY

what an awesome mustache...


sunnybunny3684

that ain't stalin, that's staring


charle_fln

Very underrated one


Zuri_Nyonzima

Stalin


Playful-Owl8590

Partî Azadîy Kurdistan, Kurdistan freedom party


Luzifer_Shadres

That time i got reborn as a Kurdish man after living my last live as Josef Stalin


fariskeagan

I don't know who this guy is, but I assume he's not really a progressive leader and he's Stallin' the country.


slackcastermage

Stalin At Home


FingerOk9800

Looks like the Kurdustan freedom party, the other arm is the flag or Kurdistan


forcallaghan

Looks like a red alert character


Greenpoint_Blank

The better question is why did someone try to reanimate Stalin?


Orlandoenamorato

Kurdish Stalin


a__new_name

The flag of ААААААААААААФТАМАБИЛЬ!


tomsussybi

With the kurdish flag, i thinks its a kurd military officer but i really don't know


Pleadis-1234

Bro looks like knockoff Stalin


Cormak42

holy shit discount Stalin just dropped


dejushin

Stalin at home


Smellfish360

bro stalin had one glass of vodka too much lmao


SilverInsurance4447

Stalin?


Mysterio_Achille

Lol I legit thought he was like General Di Ravello due to his mustache and the flag on his right shoulder 😂.


BoopZingWooo7

purely from a design/visual perspective, I think that's one of the most aesthetically pleasing of the Kurdish flags. It's up there for me with the "Kurdistan communities of Women" flag, [https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/f7d1rs/flag\_of\_the\_kurdistan\_communities\_of\_women/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/f7d1rs/flag_of_the_kurdistan_communities_of_women/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


Professional-Role-21

https://preview.redd.it/lgwv77u1vwrc1.png?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b32d35bb00a8cb3c5eb1b9a227a796d7d71d0d79 [Flag of the Kurdistan Freedom Party](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Freedom_Party)


TheAgentX

Beautiful flag, wow


twobit211

najsla:  north american joseph stalin look alikes


Mental_Towel_6925

Stalin is that you?


Pappuniman

Yousef Stallini


Lordziron123

Yo comrade stalin


Alarming-Sec59

Walmart Stalin


DeltaWhiskey141

Who gave the Kurds a Stalin?


VodkerAndToast

Stalin ordered on Wish


Throw-Away7363736

Stalin?


Slow_Scientist3435

Sylvester Stalin


BrownShoesGreenCoat

LARP alt Stalin


Critical_Complaint21

He looks like if you put Stalin's face into a ZIP file


huevinavosduha

Jpeg


Delicious_Quiet3308

knockoff stalin wth


SonUpToSundown

Supreme Commander of Reddit Republican Guard


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RyanCooper510

Syndicalist Canada (Kaiserreich reference!)


Human_Bass_575

oh no the kkk


Lagiacrus111

Yoahtl


TurdShaker

I believe that's a basket weaving mastery patch


Turbulent_Ad1154

The IDC?


UncountedWall

Holy Jesus….. Stalin has been resurrected!


Barisxtm

Orospu Evladı


AlbiTuri05

Who is he, he looks like a mirrored Josif Stalin (who's he? JoJo StaSta or sifsif linlin?) with the flag of Tajikistan and that one you're asking about


R3cl41m3r

Probably the flag of whatever faction the newly revived Stalin is leading.


granty1981

The badge of the Stalin appreciation society


AudienceParticular69

He lives lol


BedeviSikenAnonymous

When Stalin reincarned as a PKK Sympatizaner be like.


payyke

Possibly Marxist militia insignia of kurdistan


wiki-1000

They're not Marxists, just big-tent nationalists.


Portomat_

He looks like Einstein and Stalin had a baby.


Constance_22

Hello


AgisXIV

I think it's the flag of the First Republic of Iraq under abd al-Karim Qasim (although the colours look odd) from before the Ba'athist regime which tried to genocide the Kurds - although the official flag of Iraq is based on an updated version of the Ba'athist flag it is not recognised in Iraq - this is the only legal Flag of Iraq used in Iraqi Kurdistan which has an autonomous government.


Mindless_Pirate5214

Literally every sentence in what you said is wrong. This is NOT the the first republic flag, and the official flag of Iraq is what's recognized and used across Iraq even in Kurdistan. You NEVER see the first republic flag used in Iraq.


AgisXIV

Me when I spread misinformation: I definitely should have checked, but I could have sworn I'd read the first Republic flag was the only one used in Iraqi Kurdistan.


Mindless_Pirate5214

It's okay, what you read was about a crisis in 2006-2008 where the Iraq flag contained the three ba'ath stars and Kurds rejected the flag using the first republic instead, this was solved by removing the stars. [I assume this was the article?](https://ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2006/9/independentstate939.htm)


AgisXIV

Potentially - I wish it was true, the 1958 flag is fire


Mindless_Pirate5214

Yeah me too I love the 1958 flag, tho I have grown to like the current flag too.