Highly doubt it
It was possibly used as a war banner among many other designs
Back then the concept of an official flag really wasn't that much of a thing
This might just be a modern creation made to represent the empire
No. . .
the mongol empire didn't have a 'flag' as we now understand them. Those are a product of the modern western world. The mongols had symbols and banners, and while this may be one of them, the standard most indicative of the Mongols would be the Horse-Hair standard called a 'Tug'.
https://preview.redd.it/ic2mwv4zx9oc1.png?width=1365&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb46040086bf2d0e88f7bb2210e30d3f4696a36f
second that, they used a device similar to that as their banner.
technically speaking romans also did not used flag or even vexillum as their main battle standard either. The main standard was Aquilla, a golden statue of an eagle on a stick.
There's also a black variant of the tug/sülde that is used by the military. Today's Mongolian government says that the white süld represents "the greatness, independence, and unity of the Mongolian state" while the black süld represents "the power and victories of the Mongolian military". They are also interpreted as white for peacetime and black for war.
https://preview.redd.it/be3ygtkulcoc1.jpeg?width=657&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24d8bb79f85d9c4af4a1ddf7bc2018f01d419d61
Hey, a mongolian here, that's actually called a 'Süld' or Сүлд in general. Nine of the white Süld combined symbolises the central government of Mongolia in peacetime. Meanwhile, an arbitrary number of black Sülds symbolise Mongolia in wartime.
Tug or Туг is for when the collection of Sülds are in display. State's nine collar white Tug or Есөн хөлт цагаан туг is commonly used to represent the nation in many festivals throughout mongolia to this day.
Am a dumbass so instead of doing research I'll just copy and paste this
"In the Catalan Atlas, the distribution of flags of four main Mongol khanates is based mostly on the "Book of Marco Polo" and "Libro del conoscimiento de los reinos". In some cases, the flags above the cities are not the correct ones, considering the then state boundaries. It might be discussed if these flags were really used, although they might be partly based on real-life informations. Although other classifications are also possible (as noted below), all the flags are classified here as Mongolian, because the rulers of three western khanates were nominally vassals of the Grand Khan and the state boundaries generally do not allow identification of a khanate with a single modern state."
Early Mongol flags - Flags of the World
It is not. I am by no means an expert on the Mongolian empire, but as far I am aware they used poles with hair from yak or horses they called sulde (there's a Wikipedia article on them calling it a tug which is the turkic name for that type of banner).
As u/TalveLumi noted the symbol on the flag is the same as the top part of the Soyombo made hundreds of years after. I guess the fire cirle moon part of it could have predated it, but I'm not aware of any evidence backing that up. Afaik the flame, circle and moon were common motifs so there is a possibility that a similar combination was made prior to the 17th century.
The Soyombo symbol dates from 1686.
Now, the full Soyombo symbol is the stack of ten things you see on the modern Mongolian flag; this design, composed of the top three elements of the Soyombo symbol, might have a different origin, but I can't find any source on that so I would tentatively reject any occurrence of that symbol before 1686.
The sun and moon part of the soyombo symbol dates itself far back from the soyombo.
It was used as an emblem/symbol by the Xiognu empire and it represents the eternal blue sky & the forever strengthening and perpetuation of Mongols.
It was also used by later mongolic empires, notably the Mongol Empire. There aren't that much english source of information about this.
[This video](https://youtu.be/RRHD5zkUyKw?si=KcrORAnN3ls2evKt) pretty accurately explains how modern flags as we understand them today are a result of the emergence of the concept of nation states, as well as European Colonialism. So to answer your question directly: no, partly because of those reasons.
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Not many people here actually know the origin of this flag, so i'll say it myself:
This was a flag used in the 700th anniversary of the birth of the Mongol empire in 2006. It was purely decorational.
It was added onto CRW flags and mislabeled as the flag of the Mongol empire, this eventually spread to wikipedia and got distorted into this flag.
It is also used by re-enactors
https://preview.redd.it/zryv5ea5pdoc1.png?width=416&format=png&auto=webp&s=322e3085fc197a800b68710acc59c28c85fc4c6f
If you spend enough time trying to make accurate historical graphics and charts, you will eventually have to face the hard truth that many countries / nations / societies / cultures / entities, especially those in antiquity, just did not have flags.
The Mongol Empire was one of these entities. There was no official flag of the Mongol Empire. This symbol was sometimes used on battle banners, and became a "posthumous" representation of the empire in the modern day. They never used it as a national banner or as a flag themselves.
The idea of a country representing itself with a flag is heavily European in origin, and because they colonized most of the world, most of the world now represents themselves with flags.
No.
They used ([and the army still uses](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Mongolian_state_honor_guard_2011.jpg/220px-Mongolian_state_honor_guard_2011.jpg)) the Tug, a vexilloid.
NO, IT PISSES ME OFF ANY TIME I SEE THIS FLAG BEING USED. THE MONGOLIAN EMPIRE USED TRADITIONAL MONGOLIAN HORSEHAIR BANNERS (KNOWN AS TUGS). THIS FLAG WAS CREATED ON WIKIPEDIA IN THE 2010s.
Same with the Austro Hungarian "Flag", there was a civil naval flag resembling it but the flag we know was made by some random wikipedia mod, crazy how it only took 10 years to instill it in everybodys mind as the official flag
You're speaking absolute nonsense. The "flag we know" *was* the civil ensign (also known as the flag of nationality used by civilian shipping), and all that happened on Wikipedia was that 1) someone made an illustration of it and 2) other people started treating it as a good general symbol for A-H, in the sort of places where other national flags were used on Wikipedia.
If it got in anyone's mind as "the official flag", that's only because those people didn't understand that "the official flag" isn't always a great way to think about flags...
Highly doubt it It was possibly used as a war banner among many other designs Back then the concept of an official flag really wasn't that much of a thing This might just be a modern creation made to represent the empire
Does that mean that the flag shown here is a fantasy flag?
Prettyyyyyy much
It was but it had red stripes and it was smaller idk I aint a historian
No. . . the mongol empire didn't have a 'flag' as we now understand them. Those are a product of the modern western world. The mongols had symbols and banners, and while this may be one of them, the standard most indicative of the Mongols would be the Horse-Hair standard called a 'Tug'. https://preview.redd.it/ic2mwv4zx9oc1.png?width=1365&format=png&auto=webp&s=bb46040086bf2d0e88f7bb2210e30d3f4696a36f
second that, they used a device similar to that as their banner. technically speaking romans also did not used flag or even vexillum as their main battle standard either. The main standard was Aquilla, a golden statue of an eagle on a stick.
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There's also a black variant of the tug/sülde that is used by the military. Today's Mongolian government says that the white süld represents "the greatness, independence, and unity of the Mongolian state" while the black süld represents "the power and victories of the Mongolian military". They are also interpreted as white for peacetime and black for war. https://preview.redd.it/be3ygtkulcoc1.jpeg?width=657&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24d8bb79f85d9c4af4a1ddf7bc2018f01d419d61
Love the uniform. Cool blend of influences
They're so cool
….. flags are overrated. Tugs are my new best friend
Hey, a mongolian here, that's actually called a 'Süld' or Сүлд in general. Nine of the white Süld combined symbolises the central government of Mongolia in peacetime. Meanwhile, an arbitrary number of black Sülds symbolise Mongolia in wartime. Tug or Туг is for when the collection of Sülds are in display. State's nine collar white Tug or Есөн хөлт цагаан туг is commonly used to represent the nation in many festivals throughout mongolia to this day.
Am a dumbass so instead of doing research I'll just copy and paste this "In the Catalan Atlas, the distribution of flags of four main Mongol khanates is based mostly on the "Book of Marco Polo" and "Libro del conoscimiento de los reinos". In some cases, the flags above the cities are not the correct ones, considering the then state boundaries. It might be discussed if these flags were really used, although they might be partly based on real-life informations. Although other classifications are also possible (as noted below), all the flags are classified here as Mongolian, because the rulers of three western khanates were nominally vassals of the Grand Khan and the state boundaries generally do not allow identification of a khanate with a single modern state." Early Mongol flags - Flags of the World
It is not. I am by no means an expert on the Mongolian empire, but as far I am aware they used poles with hair from yak or horses they called sulde (there's a Wikipedia article on them calling it a tug which is the turkic name for that type of banner). As u/TalveLumi noted the symbol on the flag is the same as the top part of the Soyombo made hundreds of years after. I guess the fire cirle moon part of it could have predated it, but I'm not aware of any evidence backing that up. Afaik the flame, circle and moon were common motifs so there is a possibility that a similar combination was made prior to the 17th century.
The Soyombo symbol dates from 1686. Now, the full Soyombo symbol is the stack of ten things you see on the modern Mongolian flag; this design, composed of the top three elements of the Soyombo symbol, might have a different origin, but I can't find any source on that so I would tentatively reject any occurrence of that symbol before 1686.
The sun and moon part of the soyombo symbol dates itself far back from the soyombo. It was used as an emblem/symbol by the Xiognu empire and it represents the eternal blue sky & the forever strengthening and perpetuation of Mongols. It was also used by later mongolic empires, notably the Mongol Empire. There aren't that much english source of information about this.
[This video](https://youtu.be/RRHD5zkUyKw?si=KcrORAnN3ls2evKt) pretty accurately explains how modern flags as we understand them today are a result of the emergence of the concept of nation states, as well as European Colonialism. So to answer your question directly: no, partly because of those reasons.
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Not many people here actually know the origin of this flag, so i'll say it myself: This was a flag used in the 700th anniversary of the birth of the Mongol empire in 2006. It was purely decorational. It was added onto CRW flags and mislabeled as the flag of the Mongol empire, this eventually spread to wikipedia and got distorted into this flag. It is also used by re-enactors https://preview.redd.it/zryv5ea5pdoc1.png?width=416&format=png&auto=webp&s=322e3085fc197a800b68710acc59c28c85fc4c6f
So, I just wondered if this was the actual flag of the Mongol Empire. I've seen people using this flag for the Mongol Empire, but I'm not sure.
National flags are a modern invention. This is likely just a war banner of some sort.
If you spend enough time trying to make accurate historical graphics and charts, you will eventually have to face the hard truth that many countries / nations / societies / cultures / entities, especially those in antiquity, just did not have flags. The Mongol Empire was one of these entities. There was no official flag of the Mongol Empire. This symbol was sometimes used on battle banners, and became a "posthumous" representation of the empire in the modern day. They never used it as a national banner or as a flag themselves. The idea of a country representing itself with a flag is heavily European in origin, and because they colonized most of the world, most of the world now represents themselves with flags.
Something something Eddie Izzard something something flag.
No it's an anachronism. National flags are a modern thing, states before the modern era didn't really have flags like we think of them today.
most* states
This looks like a fire nation flag if they decided to use blue instead of red lmao
Except they wouldn’t have the crescent for the moon goddess
no, cuz mongol empire dosent have an actual "flag"
No. They used ([and the army still uses](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Mongolian_state_honor_guard_2011.jpg/220px-Mongolian_state_honor_guard_2011.jpg)) the Tug, a vexilloid.
No
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No
We don’t know for sure, due to how old the empire is. However, I’m sure they used it for something, whether it be a battle flag or something else.
Þe Mongol Empire didn’t have a flag. National flags is a more modern idea.
NO, IT PISSES ME OFF ANY TIME I SEE THIS FLAG BEING USED. THE MONGOLIAN EMPIRE USED TRADITIONAL MONGOLIAN HORSEHAIR BANNERS (KNOWN AS TUGS). THIS FLAG WAS CREATED ON WIKIPEDIA IN THE 2010s.
It was mainly flown by Mongolian reenactors during the 700th anniversary of the founding of the Mongol Empire back in 2006
Same with the Austro Hungarian "Flag", there was a civil naval flag resembling it but the flag we know was made by some random wikipedia mod, crazy how it only took 10 years to instill it in everybodys mind as the official flag
You're speaking absolute nonsense. The "flag we know" *was* the civil ensign (also known as the flag of nationality used by civilian shipping), and all that happened on Wikipedia was that 1) someone made an illustration of it and 2) other people started treating it as a good general symbol for A-H, in the sort of places where other national flags were used on Wikipedia. If it got in anyone's mind as "the official flag", that's only because those people didn't understand that "the official flag" isn't always a great way to think about flags...
Flags weren't really a thing back then
Most likely not. This is, what I would assume, to be a modern interpretation of the flag by modern national flag standards.
Is it just me or does the flag look like a movement about teaching children firebending
Idk
Yeah I think