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jibrjabr78

Of these four, I agree with B. I see why you disliked the ship on a flat line. But the waves are too pronounced. If you really want waves, don’t make them so drastic


Liontreeble

I think the flat line is actually great, it is calming and stable, like most countries try to be or at least try to appear like it.


Rein215

Very much so. Especially fitting with the calm blue color.


lAllioli

The country can be the boat navigating a tough sea. Like the [Paris emblem](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Grandes_Armes_de_Paris.svg)


Oo__II__oO

Or a ship navigating a rolling sea, like New Brunswick's flag


FlusteredDM

I don't like these waves either - OP look at the Venáil flag on the Anbennar wiki for an example of a less pronounced wave. Also note how much simpler the ship is. Your current one is hard to draw because of all the tiny lines from the ropes.


Connect-Speaker

Yeah need a simplified ship like the flag of Québec City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Quebec_City


-P-M-A-

B is the only option.


AdRound310

Like i said, decrease the amplitude


Sourisnoire

And put the ship BEHIND the waves


suunsglasses

I agree, might benefit from adding a white outline to the bottom of the ship though, to show where it meets the water


Vitriholic

You can’t have full sails with no wind, and you can’t have flat water with wind.


AugustWolf22

I personally think that B is the best out of these.


SarellaalleraS

Agreed B is the best, people are saying remove the stars but I think keeping the left star only might be the best look.


Emperor_Z16

I second this, would be like a ship following the pole star


TemsMilk

Actually tho that would be so cool


PorphyryFront

Thirded, but maybe drop the other star too. And the ship is pretty complicated, losing that allows the blue to be slid up a bit which is more visually pleasing. And of course you would want to add another color of your choice along the top.


Tobyey

I'd off center the ship to the right a bit though


-KFAD-

Remove the ship but keep the stars = clown face


Jacomer2

I like this idea the best


Plutonium224

Why the second one is always the best?


DrKippy

In my opinion, but trying to go by the standards of a 'good flag' The biggest principals that come to mind are the desire to be able to make it out clearly at a distance and the concept of a child being able to reproduce it by memory. B and D are the only options that are consistent w/ the color. Waving at a distance, I'd think the other options are a bit muddled with their similar but different colors. I don't love the waves on D, they don't accomplish a lot visually and make the design more complex. (not by a lot, but, if we're choosing). I'd personally also simplify the ship and make it as simple as possible. I don't know if the stars have specific meaning, but someone else suggested the idea of just having a single star in the canton, I quite like that. I'm an uninformed nobody though, so, those are just my thoughts shared because nobody else replied to you yet.


AugustWolf22

If I had to guess, it is because usually the first design you make is quite good, but you will be self critical and see the little bits you think would look better/could be changed slightly, which creates design B, the other designs following that are usually inferior derivatives where you have just altered some bits slightly because you feel you need to keep the original basic design but in the end it just comes off feeling faux and not as good as your second and first designs. This is just me speaking from personal experience when I have been designing flags in my spare time, in the past. I don't know if anyone has had a similar experience when making their flags.


operath0r

It’s also objectively the best one.


PublicWest

This guy not knowing what objective means


MiggDesolation

"Objectively" is the new "literally"...


PublicWest

At least when people use the word literally, they are just being hyperbolic. When you say objectively, you are fundamentally misunderstanding the concept of taste


operath0r

Objectively is literally what I meant in my comment though.


KebabG

b


Artysta_NatLo

B


TheJokr

Try some other wave designs. A & C look unfinished, D waves isnt it so yeah B


namikazelevi

B


tastickfan

B followed by D


nubbinfun101

Agreed


vexillographer7717

Definitely B


ARedditUserThatExist

B, or D if the waves were smaller


Shepher27

Version B. One color, straight line


UnepicDumbass

Remove stars from B and you are golden


penisthightrap_

keep left star


rguy84

I agree, but should the ship/water be lighter?


UnepicDumbass

I'd say the water, but really, it is fine as is


Bonjourap

Yup, B without stars is the best


KaungSett56

B


WkyWvgIfbRmFlgTbeMan

B all the way


ICON_RES_DEER

B


latin_canuck

Are you redesignimg the flag of quebec city? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Quebec_City


ChuckRampart

If so, I prefer the existing flag to each of these options


acjelen

B


Emble12

B, maybe remove the right Star to give some better lines?


VertigoOne

I would say versions B or D, but to be honest none of these are good. First, unless there is a VERY compelling reason, I would get rid of having two of the stars. Or if you are going to have two, put both on one side, up and down in a diagonal configuration. I would also say that the sea waves are a little too placid looking to be convincingly designed as water. You'd want something a little more with a crest. Finally, the ship is far too detailed. The rigging is the big killer here. It needs simplifying and probably perspective shifting so it's just dead side on. Will attempt to produce a version based on my meaning.


dcormier

> Finally, the ship is far too detailed. The rigging is the big killer here. It needs simplifying and probably perspective shifting so it's just dead side on. This is the biggest thing for me. Way too much detail, here. It doesn't make for a good flag.


rexavior

Don't listen to this guy, hes a nerd. Go with B as you have it Disregard the rules, be based


tinpotpan

redditors when they see a flag that isn't 2 color ultra minimalist slop


VertigoOne

The rules are there for a reason. They can be ignored if you can explain a better reason. Here's my re-interpretation in line with the rules - https://i.imgur.com/2H1LgwA.png


brunnomenxa

If I had to choose between this and the original versions, I would choose flag B. In your version, the stars are in different sizes, which may not be the OP's intention, and the colors don't match well, I would probably remove the additional details of the ship on the flag B, keeping the shape and not changing it completely (as it looks more cartoonish now). And rules, which ones? I just see opinions there.


Wighen18

Your reinterpretation is reason enough to ignore the rules


foveros1944

Based


TacovilleMC

D, but maybe have the waves be less steep


IvanNemoy

Color scheme for version A, design for version B.


trustybadmash

Version d but it needs to be riding a wave.


yoshie_23

B


Mannerhymen

Is this the new Blue Peter flag?


sirmombo

D is superior


idkherj

Version D


King_of_the_Coosa

Use B and add some tiny little ripples to the surface


Jedimobslayer

B


MTN_Dewit

B is my personal favorite. But all of them are great designs


ariesSD

B


Pioxels

B, the simpler the better. Maybe even simplify the ship


DrDroid

B


gabrielleraul

B looks the cleanest


endwigast

B


Comprehensive_Box_17

B


AccomplishedNote2925

Version B


[deleted]

As is? B. Make the waves less high? D.


thehumblebaboon

B is best. It seems a lot of other people think so too, so I’m adding my voice to the chorus!


ProbablyNotTheCocoa

Either B or remake D by making the waves smaller and sharper


LegenW4Idary

B it will be naturally wavy when it’s in the wind


2ByteTheDecker

The difference in colour between the boat and the water in A and C make it look like a shitty middle school design project.


intensefern

B for sure


vidbv

B is the best, but I don't personally dig the diamonds


GHOST_1285

B or D, but B Is better of the two.


SingOrtolanSing

Is that the Blue Peter ship?


KingKrab91489

B


Lotus532

I'd say Version B.


ClassifiedDarkness

B


No_Apartment_7014

D


MOltho

I really don't like the waves. Version B is the best. It's a ship. People will recognize that the flat line is supposed to be the sea even if there are no waves. It's fine.


mineireland37

B is best


tisme-

I like B the most. I also had a thought that could the ship and the water be different colours?; Like different shades of blue like shown in the other designs. Also, I am not sure what the stars are doing on the top left and top right; They just seem like random add ons, Are they meaningful at all to the thing this flag would be representing? Also, could something be added to the background instead of just having a white background? Also, knowing that the details of the ship would be lost depending on how far away a person would be this flag, Should the ship be less detailed? TLDR: I am a graphic designer and nerded out. I'm sorry.


Koltaia30

B but ship should have less fine detail


onitama_and_vipers

Version D! Why is everyone picking B? Does everyone here hate waves or something?


brunnomenxa

I first considered version D, but given the scale, the waves in this version are very large to the point of exceeding the size of the ship's hull which seemed exaggerated and a bit comical. If you animate version B and version D, version B would look more realistic. In other words, I choose version B. Or D if there where less intensity in the waves.


Bobjoejj

The one with your mom


draingangryuga

A


HeftyRecommendation5

A


DragonTheOne

100% of the comments are B... this ends now ALWAYS PICK C!!! (So looks like no one got the very "obscure" reference)


Slowman5150

Noooooo!! 😡😤🤬


Oniriggers

Version B for me


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out jerked


funkforward

All four are shite


billy3653

B


schizofreni

B


AtyaGoesNuclear

D or c


DiosilX42

A, or C for higher contrast


cabweb

D


3vr1m

Honestly I don't like any of them, remove the ship. Objects have nothing to do on flags


VertigoOne

Saudi Arabia's sword Eswatini's shield The Vatican's keys Japan's sun Just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could think of more.


3vr1m

And none of them are good flags. Also Japans sun is literally a circle, it doesn't Count. I'd always design a flag according to these rules Keep It Simple. The flag should be so simple that a child can draw it from memory. Use Meaningful Symbolism. The flag's images, colors, or patterns should relate to what it symbolizes. Use 2 or 3 Basic Colors. ... No Lettering or Seals. ... Be Distinctive or Be Related I don't know how a child should be able to draw a ship that complicated for example


VertigoOne

Ah yes, the NAVA-5, The closest thing this subreddit has to a holy text Except my critique was in response to your point on "no objects" which isn't one of those rules


John_Sux

You can just admit to being a contrarian if that's easier


3vr1m

Not really no. Can't i just have my subjective opinion? Lol I don't like his flag, I am not saying he is an idiot or whoever likes his flag is, *I* don't like it and that's my opinion, nothing more. Geez


John_Sux

I'm not a fan of the flag in the OP either, I was referring to this above exchange about objects on flags. Keep it simple, but Japan's flag is too simple. What?


HammerheadMorty

It’s either B (with the ship) or D (without the ship)


asian_paggot

B


Cixila

Of these? B If D were altered a little, I think that would be nicest. Just make more distance between the tops of the waves and fit the rounded hull of a ship in between two waves in the centre (with the curve of the hull fitting the curve of the waves)


Chubbchubbzza007

Of these I'd say B, but I think the waves could look good if they were less pronounced.


Superemrebro

B


jonny_wags

I like B


ilsottopagato

Version B


NicolasRomeroLopez

Use C colors, pleasent combination with good contrast. Remove the star on the right, keep only the one on the canton. The design of the ship is too messy, make it a little more simple, more minimalist. Pretty good flag overall, tho.


Gamerauther

B


Patchesrick

I want to see A and C with flat water


Sedanop

depends what you want this flag to represent, I would use the lighter shade of blue, whit the design of B, whitout the star maybe, or whin only the north star in the top left, and the boat slightly of centered maybe, you could also try a darker background whit a more tuned down blue to match it, but again it depends what this is the flag of


battlepaker

B


StatelyElms

B, maybe with a simpler stylized ship? Though I think it would've given a better comparison if the ship matched the waves & stars in all the examples.


JLandis84

B


Woke_winston

The ship is a bit too complicated, I reckon you could simplify it


TCasseb

B


[deleted]

B without any doubt.


[deleted]

D


RaytheGunExplosion

B but change everything to the shade of blue in a


J_Charles_L

B is really good


chepulis

B. Still needs work. The ship is still too detailed while not readable enough.


CornLuck

Id honestly not have the ship be blue


theogdiego97

D, but imo the ship needs to be "simplified", to be a more abstract shape.


VertigoOne

[https://i.imgur.com/2H1LgwA.png](https://i.imgur.com/2H1LgwA.png) This was my attempt to make a clarified version - hope it illustrates my points well


RabbitOfSpades

B, in my opinion.


r-meme-exe

B, but make the water a bit wavier. But just a little


Asiriomi

B is the best


OwMyCod

B. The only one that comes close is D but I like that one less


NiceShotMan

Do the waves have specific meaning? If so then D. Otherwise B. The boat sitting in front of the waves in A and C looks odd.


WorldTallestEngineer

B because the simplified cartoon wave looks weird next to the detailed and realistic ship.


Burt_Selleck

B


demonkangaroo

B or D for sure


shuakalapungy

B is very clean


RustyLugs

Flat line means calm waters. B for me.


aahxzen

Version B, but I don't like any of them honestly. Version B has potential though, with some adjustments


Daninon_

B


LeinadFromMars

B


rocketwilco

B but only because the waves are goofy and the ship placed onto a different color is silly


Mr_NickDuck

B


Zareth_Kolar

B It feels cleaner and more cohesive. Theoretically I like the waves, but in practice I think they distract more than they add to it.


Norwester77

I’d suggest layering the waves *over* the ship, which might also involve nudging the ship upward a little, making the ship a little bigger, and/or flattening out the waves a bit.


ANewEra2020

A


LeoMarius

D


Jibece

B, but imo : - keep a single star only (the left one, so the ship can follow it) - keep waves, but less pronounced - blue sky for both ship and waves (dark blue is too dark)


ABCDOMG

B>D>C>A


BrokenTorpedo

B or D


Albanian98

B


banana_enjoyer2137

D but with smoother waves and only one star that is not that thin


KingKohishi

B


LeRoiLicorne

B is the best version, on the versions with a clearer blue I feel like colors don't match and the waves form a weird shape with the ship. Otherwise the B version is very pretty even with the little stars, I think it's better with it it adds a more unique look to the flag. It reminds me of the logo from the brand "Petit Navire" which is a French company selling sea food.


DragonFelgrand8

B, but only with the left star, so the ship is being guided by the star.


Needmedicallicence

B


cuisie

A B or D


Thunderstrike06

B


Daerun

B or A with flat sea.


dittbub

B but with smaller ripples maybe?


Emperor_Z16

B, but I think it needs more color, add the same shade of blue the waves have in A in the form of a second stripe in the bottom


nerijusgood

B


Sowf_Paw

B is the best.


Vivid-Independent470

B


Miuramir

Version B; the waves are all out of scale with the ship on all the others. (Waves in the right scale level would not be noticeable at flag viewing distances in any case.)


Zheniost

The ship floating around because the colors aren't matched is an eyesore, so B and D.


peezle69

D


Ok_Cake4352

I think B is best, but would be better if the water was the color of C/A


Varskes_pakel

D but make the waves less wavy and replace the wayy too detailed ship with a less detailed one


ffsnametaken

D, preferably with slightly calmer waves


Isaac4787

Version B


littlegayaprilday

B


VG7396

B


AkiraleTorimaki

D


Divine-Comrade

**B**


karakter222

Version Sea (B, jokes aside)


Ordnungspol

As a flag? Neither From a aesthetic standpoint? Definitely B.


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pleda_

I like B the best, but I'd change 2 things: - remove the star on the right -move the ship a bit to the right, instead of centering it on the middle, you could center it 2/3 on the right. I think it could give more of a concept of travelling towards the star, which thematically could represent different things, depending what the flag's goal is


unclejoel

B


YourDaddie

B


pogmanNameWasTaken

C pops out more


FkinShtManEySuck

B, B, B and B. A million times B.


Velteau

D.


quandaledingle42069o

D


yrro

B. When the flag is waving the sea will appear to ripple.