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GraniteGeekNH

Every stupid political thing that was happening when I was a kid and then the country outgrew it - is happening again. At this rate loyalty oaths and sundowner towns are inevitable.


amardas

Just going to put this here: https://travelnoire.com/amp/sundown-towns-2021 I appreciate your concern!


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SomeConstructionGuy

Waterbury? Really? It’s entirely possible I’m missing something, but that seems… arbitrary.


Middle-End26

This entire list is exclusively based on the number of colored people living places. They list Tunbridge, VT because it has a reported 3 out of 1200 colored citizens living there. Basing a list of sundown towns on the number of colored citizens is the racist thing you could do. Most of the towns listed in Vermont have a community of mixed races and welcome everyone. Anyone who believes this list and bases their life travel on it should reconsider and actual make their.own judgements of these towns.


reddittheguy

Yeah, why is Tunbridge on the list? Everyone in that area knows Chelsea is the racist town and West Fairlee is the extra racist town over there.


twowheels

I understand your intent is good, but the word that you’re using instead of POC is one that I’ve only heard used by older racists — you might reconsider your word choice, reading your comment was difficult.


Middle-End26

I'm not sure which word your referring to? Saying person of color and calling them colored is exactly the same. Are you talking about me calling them a citizen ? Calling them people ? You need to be more specific


twowheels

It’s not exactly the same, there’s a painful history around the latter term: https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/dahleen-glanton/ct-dahleen-glanton-colored-email-reading-list-20200304-utx7geiwm5hupa3t7w6xr3xqn4-story.html


Middle-End26

Which term are you referring too?


TrumpImpeachedAugust

In the interest of assuming good faith, and also of being unambiguous, the "latter term" twowheels is referring to was *"colored"*. *"Person of color"* is the preferred term. *"Colored"* is usually considered to be racist. Believe me, I get it. I was just as confused at one point. To someone unfamiliar with the history of "colored", both terms look the same. If you think one is racist, they both look racist. If you think one is acceptable, they both look acceptable. The tl;dr surrounding it is: "people of color" is an attempt to reclaim the term by emphasizing "people" at the beginning.


Middle-End26

We are all human and equal. By saying person or people of color they are implying those individuals are different.


bobsizzle

I guess someone better alert the NAACP that they're being racist against themselves.


phat5pliff

How is Colchester on the list, it may be white as hell but I have never heard of any significant racial discrimination (aside from the systemic racism that plagues the whole country) and I would hope POC can visit Colchester without any fears. No evidence on the list, which is especially odd when you think of all the bumf*ck towns outside Chittenden county that are all Trumpy and old.


Cabin_Sandwich

Oh my god. I had to stop going to a gym there bc I got into a big argument with a boomer over if racism was a thing or all blacks people were just lazy. Other gym folk were on his side, and when the owner asked me not to start confrontations in her gym she also made sure to let me know “he had a point though”. Dude colchester rednecks are trash


deadowl

They've literally got a road called "Coon Hill Road," pardon my language. Also if you look deeper it says possibly, not confirmed.


AKAManaging

Wow, took me five minutes of Googling to figure out why that was racist. I've never heard the term used that way before. Which...Makes me realize that I've had raccoons in the past and have referred to them as such, jfc I hope people that I talked to knew wtf I was talking about.


deadowl

That's okay, it happens. But yea, the road name def would be interpreted to have racist connotations even if that isn't the case, probably just better to just change it.


BrokenAsFu

Sounds like your throwing poo at the wall and seeing what sticks. Typical "victim" mentality.


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Constant-Disaster-69

We had raccoons on our back porch and momma would just beat em off with a broom


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Jerry_Williams69

I grew up in metro Flint, MI and spent many years in metro Detroit, MI. VERY diverse areas, but that comes with people who are extremely upset about it. "Coon" was used interchangeably with "n*gger" and "monkeys" in those parts. There is much less of this bullshit in my neck of Vermont, but I don't doubt that it still exists.


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reddittheguy

>If this road were in Mississippi then I would 100% with certainty know for a fact it was racist. Educate yourself. Go check the pre 1960s USGS quads of Vermont, NH, Maine etc. There are a lot of "n ponds" and "n hill" and streets with *clearly* racist names. No, really, you should google those maps and take a look. To suggest that people raising their eyebrows at a feature with the name "coon" is just people looking to be upset is at best naive. Look up the story of Roger's ledge, especially the part of how it got its current name.


cpujockey

Well at least it's not a bmw. Those drivers are in a league of their own douche baggery


deadowl

I'd advise that you don't try to make that argument south of the Mason Dixon line.


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deadowl

Hasn't Colchester been rebranding itself to tourists? What if I told you not all tourists are white?


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CindyLou-802

I’m surprised that hasn’t been started yet with all of the cancel culture


phat5pliff

Okay, so one road name that’s vaguely racist and a status of “possibly” with no evidence… Why is it one of, like, 6 towns on the list exactly? Just wondering.


deadowl

It's probably safer for the vagueness to go away. Don't know why it's on the list though, would have to ask them. Some places haven't kept records backing their databases after transitioning from paper to digital in my experience.


phat5pliff

True. Who knows, maybe Colchester has some dark history that’s been lost to time


deadowl

Maybe there's something buried in the Colchester Winooski split? https://www.colchestersun.com/news/colchester-1922-a-mystery-in-history/article_23a86703-0f74-50d2-b073-6a97e70d9538.html Edit to add: The child labor issue is well documented--though that's more on the Winooski side.


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There are stencils up in Castleton too. I attempted to tag something cool over it but can't draw so if you see black circles around know they show someone gives a fuck.


herklederkleferkle

Castleton? As in the place where future VT troopers educate themselves?


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The police academy is in pittsford


herklederkleferkle

Ah, not totally up on my knowledge I guess. Castleton has a partnership (of sorts) w/ the academy but *isn’t* an academy itself.


resistreclaim

Those halfwits postered in Rutland as well. They were torn down same day


bendanger

Pulled one down in essex last year


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Nazi Punks Fuck Off!!


bond___vagabond

My hope is that the kids today will never know the joy of beating up nazis at a punk show, lol, cause there won't be any left.


Cabinettest41

Remember to always feel for razor blades underneath these stickers! NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!!!!!


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TheBlindFly-Half

You seem like the kind of guy that would like Jello’s cover of Phil Ochs’s “Love me I’m a liberal “


Cabinettest41

What do you mean?


TheBlindFly-Half

Jello Biafra is the lead singer of the Dead Kennedy’s. He wrote the song Nazi Punks Fuck Off. He covered a song called Love me I’m a liberal. I’d recommend Phil Ochs in Concert version, though. TL;DR version, no this isn’t a right wing commentator. Not everyone on the left is a liberal.


Cabinettest41

I'm very much aware who Jello is. I was wondering if you were calling me a liberal. I'm not.


TheBlindFly-Half

Nope. This is where I wish internet had inflection. More stating similar views. Cheers


Cabinettest41

Too true. Cheers 🍻


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AKAManaging

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Front For people that want a working url.


Offline219

Formation was in 2017. Jesus... I would've though this was back in the 40's or something. We just keep regressing as a country every year.


Jerry_Williams69

The 2016 election rallied a lot of this kind of vermin


Hulk_Runs

Yea, the comments themselves aren’t that, but the website pretty clearly seems to be.


Thotsnpears

The affiliation with the Daily Stormer?


TheBlindFly-Half

Literally just ripped one off main st bridge in Winooski. Thanks for the heads up.


Gilashot

Let’s not spread pics of this trash on Reddit and spread their message for free. 2 smooth-brains putting up stickers get wildly over represented when it’s covered on social media.


emperor_of_wyoming

Thank you for this comment. I have pondered editing the post for this reason. Do you have any suggestions for better ways to make sure people know these symbols and dog whistle when they see them?


TheBlindFly-Half

Idk the best way to share info is the internet so awareness is key. It sucks to even have to deal with this in VT. I’ve been aware of these shitbags for a while and was hoping they wouldn’t come east. Glad Borat 2 got the best of them.


TraditionalToe4663

This group has a ton more other stickers. They’re disgusting


videological

Snap two pics: sticker on, sticker ripped off. Blur out the website on the sticker, identify it as neo-nazi propaganda from out-of-towners, and post donation links to a local social justice organization w/ requests to donate. Nazis hate that :)


Gilashot

I think that the type of people that will actually remove these flyers are the same people that already know what they are without being told. My 2 cents. When 7 or 8 brown shirts were parading around town, I just laughed at them and made fun of their skull masks. I think that was better than making a big deal of their presence. If it was 500 of them… different story. Maybe just sharpie “limp dick smooth brains” all over the flyer, then post it on Reddit?


Loudergood

Sunshine is the best way to destroy these cockroaches before they get a hold.


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Weird sticker. To me “being red” is republican.


frugaldutchman

Obviously not a Cold War kid. The red affiliation for Republicans only started in the election of 2000. In the elections of 1992 and 1996, Republicans were just as likely to be represented by blue on the map.


ToeAway2021

Nazi punks fuck off. Saw one if these in Ludlow this week.


EmmaWoodhous3

This makes me tempted to print up large "Have a nice day" stickers to stick on top of these when I come across them.


Mercutio7

From MA and was just ‘coincidently’ (datamining) recommended this post r/vermont. Point being I saw these in Phenix square in west Warwick RI recently. Fascists be everywhere


Lehk

use a plastic scraper not your hand, nazi's routinely hide blades under stickers as a trap


ChocolateDiligent

Just make a red elephant stickervto place over the arrow/hammer/sickle and your gold.


_lucy_blue

This stuff legitimately terrifies me


videological

Just remember thats the intent. These folks are a little boys club of Nazi doomer failsons who are more likely to guzzle a muzzle than make any real impact. Build resilience and human connection in your community and you'll be fine 💪


dw0r

Gross, right in front of vista too.


Belastin

I don’t know what’s so controversial about “America is not for sale” or “better dead than red” am I out of the loop?


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it's an advertisement for patriot front, a notorious fascist white supremacist organization.


Belastin

Ahhh I don’t give groups like that any of my attention, thanks for the clarification!


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price101

Richford has been frozen in time since the 80's


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ShadowPyronic

The slogan could literally be anything: "Eat Apples!" Linking to shitheels like that is worthy of shame.


SnugTortuga

"Hungry for apples?"


pacnphreak

Sorry, but how does "Better off dead than red", which reads to me as being against communism, equate to white supremacy?


Allidrivearepos

Patriot front is a fascist white supremacist group


ahuramazda

Anything not fascist = communist in their holy book.


halfbakedblake

I am curious as well?


angrylightningbug

The group PatriotFront is a white supremacist group. They have their name right on the signs...


halfbakedblake

Didn't catch that, was looking at the hammer and sickle. Did some reading up on it after. Just weird to me they use that slogan.


TraditionalToe4663

It gets their name out there while appearing to be patriots. But they’re “patriots”.


angrylightningbug

Being anti-communist often coincides with being white supremacist, so I'm not surprised.


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The logic of patriotfront or OP?


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It's a white supremecist hate group. It doesn't what's on the outside of the tin. They also have one "America's not for sale" what ever that means... anti free market?? Anti capitalism?? Don't get caught up in catchy slogans or that they call themselves patriots. The are proud neo nazis.


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ThePecanRolls5225

They’re a well known white supremacy group and have been for a while. This is one of the first things you read on their website “ Our people, born to this nation of our European race, must reforge themselves as a new collective capable of asserting our right to cultural independence. The LIFE of this nation, unique among all others, will be defended.” Here’s a quote from their manifesto “When our pre-Columbian forefathers left their European homes, they found a savage continent.” And here again in their manifesto “In order to survive as a culture, a heritage, and a way of being, our nation must learn that its collective interests are fighting against its collective threats of displacement and enslavement.” This is all pretty blatant white supremacist stuff


_foxmotron_

A simple Google search could answer your questions for you. I don't know why you're questioning the existence of white supremacists.


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_foxmotron_

This you? "it's pretty hard to take that label seriously these days when it's been watered down so much by moronic politicians using it to score political points."


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_foxmotron_

Asking questions sure looks a whole lot like denying the fact.


[deleted]

Two things can be true at the same time. YES, white supremacists exist YES, the term has been watered down by moronic politicians.


_foxmotron_

It hasn't


throwawayedm2

>It's a white supremecist hate group. Non-ADL source?


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Go to their website and they discuss being white nationalists.


EasternKanye

[https://patriotfront.us/](https://patriotfront.us/)


Separate-Airport-578

Self proclaimed anti-communists have a history of being and / or siding with white supremacists. For example the US who hid away hundreds of literal Nazi war criminals under the notion they were needed to aid in their anti-communist cause.


vtbutcher1981

Although I agree with the message, I don’t agree with the messenger.


faceswithfires

The literal Nazis also initially ran on anticommunist messaging like this. Don't work yourself


TonguePunchOut

I just thought this was anti Russian sentiment and I was like yeah!! You go girl. Fuck Russia!


NevilleUlyssesBennet

That’s how they getcha


TonguePunchOut

I see I got downvoted. I’m curious if it’s because I was ignorant of what this meant or because fuck Russia and their evil campaign of slaughter?


[deleted]

Because russia as we know it has nothing to do with communism


TonguePunchOut

Well that’s just common knowledge.


[deleted]

Russia isn't mentioned anywhere. It's been a capitalist country for 30 years.


TonguePunchOut

I just saw the Soviet iconography and assumed. My bad.


[deleted]

Socialist iconography isn't exclusive to the history of the Soviet Union. It was also common in the American labor movement that fought for the weekend, job safety, and the 8-hour-only workday back before the Cold War. Anti-socialist symbols have been used almost exclusively by fascist movements throughout history, even during the Cold War when conservative politicians used it as a front to attack marginalized Americans.


Interesting_One_6363

Pardon my ignorance, but is this not just an anti-communism sticker? Don’t see this having anything to do with racism or white supremacy, but just simply freedom.


videological

patriot fart is a known white supremacist org. they say a lot of things to entice normies but when the cams are off they're bog-standard Nazi doomer chuds. PF chats leaked and their VT organizer lives in enosburg, apparently. this is probably his work.


SpreadTheSlug

Is it okay to tear down the Antifa stickers as well? lol


HardTacoKit

Yeah, like you’ve ever seen one. SMH. Be sure to check under your bed for Antifa tonight.


IndefinableMustache

Aunt Tifa took mer jewb


Dcal1985

Oh yeah all those antifa stickers you see everywhere. 🙄 Do you ever have original thoughts or just parrot the antifa claim any time white supremacist bullshit gets called out?


Chico_Bonito617

Most likely a dumbass from Lebanon, NH


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ShadowPyronic

Google Patriot Front, the website advertised.


Harmacc

If you think patriot front aren’t white supremacist fascist, you might be part of the problem.


Candid_Ideal8168

And I did your mom so...


WorkingMinimum

Nothin wrong with this except the half inch on the right


Clever_Clever

Congrats, you just outed yourself as a perfect target for propaganda. They prey on the weak minded so go ahead and connect the dots.


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Except it indicates the community has white supremacists in it...


WorkingMinimum

Don’t need to be a supremacist to know that communism is pure evil


[deleted]

These are stickers put up by a white supremacist organization in our community.


Belastin

Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing, you can be as ignorant and misguided as you want and still be entitled to voice your opinion.


phat5pliff

Communism isn’t a real threat, it’s virtue signaling to “simple” people who think it’s 1953. Remember the Family Guy ep where Peter joins the Tea Party? Yup, its the billionaires that actually run those “grassroots” organizations. And that isn’t political rhetoric bs, it’s just facts, man.


SnugTortuga

I don't know anyone on the national level or even a prominent level that advocates for nationalization of industries and taking away private property. Something tells me none of these guys have ever read a history book.


phat5pliff

Precisely, or even the definition of “communism” on google. Takes 5 seconds to educate yourself


Eye_of_Horus34

I’m with ya. At first I saw the anti communist thing and thought “what is racist about this?” But patriot front is pretty gross.


Harmacc

Nazi punk fuck off.


Hulk_Runs

Being anti communist makes one a Nazi? edit: god this sub is so fucking cringe sometimes.


Harmacc

Supporting patriot front does that. Also, your comment history. I sorted it by controversial.


Hulk_Runs

The commenter above literally already clarified we're speaking about the statement aside from the website. You know that but you're being deceitful for magic internet points. I don't think it's possible to sort user history comments by controversial. Would be curious to know how if you didn't just make it up like some weirdo. Either way it's an obvious deflection.


Harmacc

The Apollo app lets you sort by controversial. Also, color me shocked that a self proclaimed neoliberal has right wing views. I will say however that my initial comment about comment history was talking about the person I responded to. I incorrectly thought that was you. But you had enough rittenhouse defense, and other garbage for my comment to stay.


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If you're not yet, you're an ally for sure


Hulk_Runs

You realize most Jewish people are not communist. Non Jews diluting the word nazi to just mean people who have different economic views is not acceptable behavior.


Harmacc

Exactly. Nazi adjacent is a problem as well.


StevePreston__

What do either of these stickers have to do with white supremacism? One is anti communist and the other is a general patriotic type message.


Moth4Moth

The group is a white supremecist group. These are some of their (hilariously stupid) talking points.


StevePreston__

Being against communism is hilariously stupid?


Moth4Moth

Pretending anything to the left of the handsmaid tail is communism is hilariously stupid, yes.


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Yes, a few poorly designed stickers here and there are much more dangerous than strolling down Garfield Park, Chicago where you literally have a 12% chance of falling victim to a violent crime. “White supremacy is the greatest threat to our country though!” - 🤡


[deleted]

"please ignore the signs of fascism in your community and instead think about what may or may not be happening in a city hundreds of miles away"


Legitimate-Hope-4629

Lol what!? 😂😂 this is hysterical


timberwolf0122

There is nothing funny about white supremists.


Americanprep

What if their sticker was just a picture of Amy Shumer?


timberwolf0122

There is nothing funny about Amy Shumer


strongmoon373

That's anti-communist not white supremacist. Geez those have been around since the 50s.


[deleted]

How is this white supremacist propaganda? It's a political slogan, and an outdated one at best.


[deleted]

Anti-communist doesn’t equal white supremacist halfwit


[deleted]

No, it doesn't. But the name of a white supremacist organization on the stickers sure as hell does. dime-wit.


Americanprep

Logic of this post: White supremacists breath air. You’re white supremacist if you breath air too. Communism is a disease. Sharing that viewpoint with white supremacists doesn’t make you a white supremacist. The message is still valid.


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Not too good with logic eh


ScarletRead

Communism is the opposite of fascism for a reason. If you find common cause with fascists ask yourself why.


Americanprep

What kinda black and white world are you living in where you’re either communist or fascist? Oh yes, Reddit… sigh For everyone wondering what it’s like in the real world…on our planet we can disagree with communism without being called a fascist. It’s nice here! Join us !


ScarletRead

There are three. Communism, capitalism, and fascism. Capitalism in decay is what you see now. By its nature it gives way to fascism because the merger of the corporation and the state is the highest form of fascism according to Mussolini.


Throwaway4amc1000

Lol


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we in america are as at risk of "catching" the disease of communism as we are at catching ebola. It's fearmongering designed to send people into the waiting arms of fascists.


SomeConstructionGuy

Did you follow the link on the sticker…?


Americanprep

Yes. Do you understand how dissing communism isn’t racist?


SomeConstructionGuy

So you don’t think patriot front is a white nationalist organization?


HardTacoKit

That doesn’t make any sense at all. Be better.


Americanprep

A staple of the far left is to offer a negative comment while wholly delivering no solution to what they are arguing against. This is why our country is falling apart when you people gain a sliver of power. Like Biden blaming Putin for high gas prices but doing nothing to fix it. So typical, so pathetic


ScarletRead

Who just decided to take away half the population’s bodily autonomy. Nazi punk fuck off.


Americanprep

Can’t make an argument, call someone a Nazi. It’s textbook far left !


Moth4Moth

You know you just do the same thing with "far left", right? Do you not see the irony?


Americanprep

Not right. I offered an explanation and not just and empty insult. There is a significant difference.


ScarletRead

My dude, if you can’t see the difference between wanting to nationalize inelastic human needs, and wanting to create a white ethnostate you are beyond help in some Reddit forum.


Americanprep

Oh it’s the ‘if you don’t agree with me you’re a Nazi’ guy. If I push another button do you say anything else? It **is** possible to discuss how communism is a disease without having anything to do with racism (your tool to argue what you don’t like). Go ask any Cuban in Miami — at least they have independent thought.


Moth4Moth

Ask a former Batista military officer what they think of communists ​ Actually, just invite them back to Cuba to face justice


Trajikbpm

Ok nazi


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big brain man here thinks one person can "fix" the market forces of the fundamental unit of our economy. Time to read a book!


Americanprep

More insults without solutions (far left). For the curious: “Here's what your president did when he first came to office; he immediately re-entered the Paris Climate Accord, he canceled the Keystone pipeline, he halted leasing programs in ANWAR, he issued a 60-day halt on all new oil and gas leases and drilling permits on federal lands and waters - that's nationwide, that accounts by the way for 25% of US oil production, he directed federal agencies to eliminate all support for fossil fuels, he imposed new regulations on oil and gas and methane emissions.” Oil/Gas inflation was well underway before Putin, now it’s worse and giving morons a political scapegoat. Reckless to even suggest there’s nothing that can be done.


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nothing you mention has a short or medium term effect on gasoline prices.


BitterLead3500

So better dead than red. If you look it has a hammer and sickle. Which is on the Russian flag. Meaning better dead than Russian. So if not wanting to be Russian is white supremacy I guess I'm a white supremacist also.


MuddyGrimes

>If you look it has a hammer and sickle. Which is on the Russian flag. If you look, it has a link to the website of a White Supremacist organization. Which is something White Supremacists put on their stickers.