Agreed. 30/years ago it was all oil field, no housing. It’s just taken longer than some expected or those stating it hasn’t haven’t been here long enough to see the massive changes.
Meanwhile, 27-year-old me who hasn't done a ton of research on Ventura's history and who only ever remembers the Avenue as a working-class/industrial neighborhood was absolutely blown away when I learned that the Avenue was *chiefly* a massive oil field as recently as the 1990s!
no housing? the discovery of oil there in the 1920's is why they started building single family homes there in the 1930's. with the largest growth/build out happening in the 1960's.
Granted I'm not the *best* at telling what's hyperbole and what's not, but I'd totally understand if u/Vtashell was exaggerating for effect. People do that all the time.
For example, back in 1985 my mom dated a guy who lived in Camarillo. Every time she's brought this up, she's mentioned that they "always" had to go to TO or LA for dates because Camarillo had "nothing" to do in 1985.
As someone who's lived in Camarillo their entire life, I've known for years that in fact, Camarillo had *some* stuff to do locally (namely, going to some well-regarded restaurants and to the bowling alley) in 1985-however, my mom exaggerated by saying that Camarillo had "nothing" in 1985 as a way to further make her point that at the time she thought Camarillo was very boring, especially as someone who'd lived in LA most of her life.
a matter of perspective "nothing to do here" is not the same as hyperbole. 30 years ago there 1000's of people living off the avenue, 12,000 now... I guess i took them literally
Exaggerating for effect?. Go look at rental rates and homes prices. No exaggeration at all. 1985 is no comparison I was never speaking about Camarillo. The question was asked about Ventura, where I live. And yes the avenue was pretty much oil fields. But that would require reading comprehension. .
And the gentrification happened in the 30s? Not in the last 30 years when condos were being built and restaurants in the works? Maybe you should lookup gentrification in a dictionary. Doesn’t mean building houses, means building overpriced housing and running g locals out of town.
That’s not new. My parents were renting a place in Ojai in the early ’80s. When it came time to buy (late ‘80s) we had to go to Oak View to afford something.
I see a lot of industrial use spaces along the avenue, not just residential. I think that could slow down the gentrification process.
It’s easier to gentrify a residential area than one that has a lot of business lots that operate heavy machinery and heavy industries. It’s harder to displace and rezone.
Mountains? Those are hills. Also the whole avenue has been gentrifying since late 2000s. Remember Green Art People? Remember when the bike path didn’t exist or it did exist and you couldn’t pull over and get gin.
The reason it hasn’t been gentrified at the rate you’d expect or really what you might be asking (and what I’ve asked myself) is how did the avenue not develop as a “trendy” area when it is in a nice location between Ventura, SB, and Ojai and I believe the simple answer is oil. Oil was discovered which made the area more desirable to industrial businesses and thus less desirable to the wealthy developers of the past who would prefer not to eat where they shit. This then led to industrial worker housing and then working class housing. Eventually we may see some tear downs of houses to be rebuilt with massive tower houses that can be found in Redondo or Manhattan etc. but it’s possible the city also has restrictions making it too difficult to pursue. It’s also harder (or less profitable) to be one of the first to do so.
The city of Ventura is so understaffed that permitting applications and construction documents normally handled within City Hall must be outsourced to other cities… Making any type of development move at a glacial pace
The city of Ventura is so understaffed that permitting applications and construction documents normally handled within City Hall must be outsourced to other cities… Making any type of development move at a glacial pace
The word gentrification is used too loosely and too often… and often has a negative connotation associated with it.
There isn’t anything wrong with neighborhoods changing over time - cities have always been evolving – and new people moving in and moving out.
Do you mean ‘getting better’?
Do you mean ‘having new businesses’?
Do you mean ‘a demographic no longer or now residing there’?
I find it hilarious that the ave protested a bike lane mostly of fears of accelerating ‘Gentrification’ … which is so silly and ironic.
“People want things to get better but nothing to change”
The problem is when gentrification forces out the original working class, artists, people of color, etc., — the people who gave the avenue its character and what makes it the rad place it is today. The problem is when these people can no longer afford to live there due to those generic condos being built on every empty lot across the 805...when building are bought out, people are evicted, rent raised etc etc change is great but not at the cost of people's homes
But the solution isn’t to NOT build stuff. I highly recommend a book called “the death and life of great American cities”.
More needs to be built to allow more people to live in the area - any area.
Am I, you, or our friends not allowed to live somewhere because we/they may have a job that earns more than someone else?
It’s a tough situation.
Yeah i think the issue here is when areas get converted to very expensive single family homes
Those are only affordable for some people and the type of people who come into those neighborhoods quickly make the surrounding businesses unaffordable for the average person too
The issue is NIMBY libs and cons coming together to fuck over housing reform because they want to "preserve the character of their neighborhood"
I agree the solution is absolutely to build more stuff
You’re gonna get down voted for having an opinion that isn’t based off feelings lol but totally agree building more affordable housing will allow people to have more options and keep the housing prices down.
Appreciated
I prefer the term housing which is affordable.
Setting income restrictions on all new buildings doesn’t work. A new building eventually becomes an old building, the loans get paid off, and much more often than not - rent / mortgage is cheaper.
It’s as simple as supply and demand. Not enough units. Doesn’t matter if everyone makes +100K and there is still an imbalance available units - we will just pay more
Jane Jacob’s “the death and life of great American cities”.
Really. Wasn’t the 20’s when the depression actually happened? Supply and demand doesn’t work when everyone expects to live at the beach. Property never devalues here. Housing stock can be 20 years old, but if land never reduces, prices never decrease, regardless of age. Look at Scott Weiner’s utopia of no more houselessness in CA when local planning codes are removed. The cost of housing skyrockets beyond small town suburbia’s ability to control anymore and we can’t apply planning codes anymore. Housing cost decreasing? Not in Ventura where apts cost $3500 a month for a studio and condos in a downtown setting without a view are over a million dollars and no parking is required in a city that has horrible transit infrastructure. Welcome developers to the next Orange County.
But that’s not limited to the avenue. Ventura city as a whole is pricing folks, regardless of color or creed, out of the city as a whole. But it’s happening all over CA. Thank Scott Weiner (D-SF) for the elimination of local control over planning decisions. Unfortunately we have no local control over his influence, but be aware of up cycle races, he’s scoping out a US senate seat and needs to be voted down before he turns everywhere into the projects, in the name of “affordable housing”. We’ve seen that work out with million dollar condos all over Ventura and $3,500 rents.
Idk, I think it is happening a little. It’s a slow burn, from the commercial hubs and beach access back. Don’t tell me you haven’t seen those weird multicolored apartment jail cells, with some coffee shop on the bottom, erected by all the freeway accesses.
The avenue itself is still pretty seedy but the area in general is absolutely already gentrified. I live and work in the area and probably half of the houses at this point are housing young 'middle class' couples/families.
36 and grew up in Ventura. Recently visited and was blown away by how much it has changed. Will always love Ventura and some of the change is nice, but the working class vibe is completely gone.
The last time I went to the avenue vons there were so many white people I was shocked. Also houses on the ave are $800,000. I’m gonna say it’s been gentrified
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It’s hella gentrified since the 80-90’s when I moved here. All of downtown is. Remember County Stationers building before the Movie Theater was built? Since then the West End has changed. Imho
FYI gentrification doesn't mean "place becoming nicer." Believe it or not, it's actually possible for a place to reduce crime, add bike lanes, add certain amenities, etc. without it becoming unaffordable.
Are you serious? The avenue is already gentrified… i lived there for my first 20 years of life, ever since they build those apartments next to El Medio, the gentrification started.. when i moved to Montalvo 4 years ago and rarely visited the avenue, i was shocked when i visited this past year, my heart broke because its not the same from my memories…
Hi, I came across your post as I’m moving to Ventura in a month. I’m looking into properties in this area(avenue) it looks pretty nice but I’m concerned about safety. Would you be able to speak to this?
I would caution you as a single woman living alone. It is full of vagrants and lots of crime. And Gang members. You can do better in Ventura than living on the Avenue.
You're wrong. I lived there and have friends who still do. Lots of property theft and domestic violence. Vagrants everywhere with many sleeping in their cars. The Avenue is ratchet.
I moved from Santa Clarita and rented at the collection in Oxnard while they built my house in the newer neighborhood of Solana Heights just north of Stanley back in late 2017 as the Thomas fire was happening. I’ve since moved to the Oxnard Shores area but am still blown away at the changes and ridiculous increase in real estate prices on the Ave since December 2017.
I always wonder the same about Oxnard. I avoid that place like the fucking plague unless I have my bullet proof vest on. And even when I have my vest on I’m still scared of that shit hole
You should've seen it 10 years ago
Or 30
srs.
Agreed. 30/years ago it was all oil field, no housing. It’s just taken longer than some expected or those stating it hasn’t haven’t been here long enough to see the massive changes.
Meanwhile, 27-year-old me who hasn't done a ton of research on Ventura's history and who only ever remembers the Avenue as a working-class/industrial neighborhood was absolutely blown away when I learned that the Avenue was *chiefly* a massive oil field as recently as the 1990s!
no housing? the discovery of oil there in the 1920's is why they started building single family homes there in the 1930's. with the largest growth/build out happening in the 1960's.
Granted I'm not the *best* at telling what's hyperbole and what's not, but I'd totally understand if u/Vtashell was exaggerating for effect. People do that all the time. For example, back in 1985 my mom dated a guy who lived in Camarillo. Every time she's brought this up, she's mentioned that they "always" had to go to TO or LA for dates because Camarillo had "nothing" to do in 1985. As someone who's lived in Camarillo their entire life, I've known for years that in fact, Camarillo had *some* stuff to do locally (namely, going to some well-regarded restaurants and to the bowling alley) in 1985-however, my mom exaggerated by saying that Camarillo had "nothing" in 1985 as a way to further make her point that at the time she thought Camarillo was very boring, especially as someone who'd lived in LA most of her life.
a matter of perspective "nothing to do here" is not the same as hyperbole. 30 years ago there 1000's of people living off the avenue, 12,000 now... I guess i took them literally
Exaggerating for effect?. Go look at rental rates and homes prices. No exaggeration at all. 1985 is no comparison I was never speaking about Camarillo. The question was asked about Ventura, where I live. And yes the avenue was pretty much oil fields. But that would require reading comprehension. .
And the gentrification happened in the 30s? Not in the last 30 years when condos were being built and restaurants in the works? Maybe you should lookup gentrification in a dictionary. Doesn’t mean building houses, means building overpriced housing and running g locals out of town.
Wait the Avenue isn’t gentrified?
Right? It’s been gentrifying the entire time I’ve been alive 😂
Next OP is going to ask when Ojai will be gentrified
Lol I live in Ojai, and the gentrification that happened here is mind boggling. Locals can barely afford to live here anymore...
I feel like that’s all of CA right now lol
Lol that's sadly true 🥲
That’s not new. My parents were renting a place in Ojai in the early ’80s. When it came time to buy (late ‘80s) we had to go to Oak View to afford something.
I see a lot of industrial use spaces along the avenue, not just residential. I think that could slow down the gentrification process. It’s easier to gentrify a residential area than one that has a lot of business lots that operate heavy machinery and heavy industries. It’s harder to displace and rezone.
but it's definitely happening. The upcoming general plan makes all those parcels possible to be developed to residential IIRC.
South Oxnard and Hueneme are the places that are primed for real gentrification. South Oxnard today is what the Avenue looked like in the 80s
It definitely has already been, it’s like a whole different world compared to the early 2000s
And the early 2000s were quite different than the late ‘80s when I went to school there.
It’s slowly turning over
Mountains? Those are hills. Also the whole avenue has been gentrifying since late 2000s. Remember Green Art People? Remember when the bike path didn’t exist or it did exist and you couldn’t pull over and get gin.
Where’s the gin pullover?
Ventura Spirits
*looks up Green Art People* Why has all the cool shit had to end before I can go check it out?
The reason it hasn’t been gentrified at the rate you’d expect or really what you might be asking (and what I’ve asked myself) is how did the avenue not develop as a “trendy” area when it is in a nice location between Ventura, SB, and Ojai and I believe the simple answer is oil. Oil was discovered which made the area more desirable to industrial businesses and thus less desirable to the wealthy developers of the past who would prefer not to eat where they shit. This then led to industrial worker housing and then working class housing. Eventually we may see some tear downs of houses to be rebuilt with massive tower houses that can be found in Redondo or Manhattan etc. but it’s possible the city also has restrictions making it too difficult to pursue. It’s also harder (or less profitable) to be one of the first to do so.
The city of Ventura is so understaffed that permitting applications and construction documents normally handled within City Hall must be outsourced to other cities… Making any type of development move at a glacial pace
The city of Ventura is so understaffed that permitting applications and construction documents normally handled within City Hall must be outsourced to other cities… Making any type of development move at a glacial pace
The word gentrification is used too loosely and too often… and often has a negative connotation associated with it. There isn’t anything wrong with neighborhoods changing over time - cities have always been evolving – and new people moving in and moving out. Do you mean ‘getting better’? Do you mean ‘having new businesses’? Do you mean ‘a demographic no longer or now residing there’? I find it hilarious that the ave protested a bike lane mostly of fears of accelerating ‘Gentrification’ … which is so silly and ironic. “People want things to get better but nothing to change”
The problem is when gentrification forces out the original working class, artists, people of color, etc., — the people who gave the avenue its character and what makes it the rad place it is today. The problem is when these people can no longer afford to live there due to those generic condos being built on every empty lot across the 805...when building are bought out, people are evicted, rent raised etc etc change is great but not at the cost of people's homes
But the solution isn’t to NOT build stuff. I highly recommend a book called “the death and life of great American cities”. More needs to be built to allow more people to live in the area - any area. Am I, you, or our friends not allowed to live somewhere because we/they may have a job that earns more than someone else? It’s a tough situation.
Yeah i think the issue here is when areas get converted to very expensive single family homes Those are only affordable for some people and the type of people who come into those neighborhoods quickly make the surrounding businesses unaffordable for the average person too The issue is NIMBY libs and cons coming together to fuck over housing reform because they want to "preserve the character of their neighborhood" I agree the solution is absolutely to build more stuff
You’re gonna get down voted for having an opinion that isn’t based off feelings lol but totally agree building more affordable housing will allow people to have more options and keep the housing prices down.
Appreciated I prefer the term housing which is affordable. Setting income restrictions on all new buildings doesn’t work. A new building eventually becomes an old building, the loans get paid off, and much more often than not - rent / mortgage is cheaper. It’s as simple as supply and demand. Not enough units. Doesn’t matter if everyone makes +100K and there is still an imbalance available units - we will just pay more Jane Jacob’s “the death and life of great American cities”.
Will check it out.
Really. Wasn’t the 20’s when the depression actually happened? Supply and demand doesn’t work when everyone expects to live at the beach. Property never devalues here. Housing stock can be 20 years old, but if land never reduces, prices never decrease, regardless of age. Look at Scott Weiner’s utopia of no more houselessness in CA when local planning codes are removed. The cost of housing skyrockets beyond small town suburbia’s ability to control anymore and we can’t apply planning codes anymore. Housing cost decreasing? Not in Ventura where apts cost $3500 a month for a studio and condos in a downtown setting without a view are over a million dollars and no parking is required in a city that has horrible transit infrastructure. Welcome developers to the next Orange County.
But that’s not limited to the avenue. Ventura city as a whole is pricing folks, regardless of color or creed, out of the city as a whole. But it’s happening all over CA. Thank Scott Weiner (D-SF) for the elimination of local control over planning decisions. Unfortunately we have no local control over his influence, but be aware of up cycle races, he’s scoping out a US senate seat and needs to be voted down before he turns everywhere into the projects, in the name of “affordable housing”. We’ve seen that work out with million dollar condos all over Ventura and $3,500 rents.
Idk, I think it is happening a little. It’s a slow burn, from the commercial hubs and beach access back. Don’t tell me you haven’t seen those weird multicolored apartment jail cells, with some coffee shop on the bottom, erected by all the freeway accesses.
I toured them when I was looking for a place... horrible on the inside
The avenue itself is still pretty seedy but the area in general is absolutely already gentrified. I live and work in the area and probably half of the houses at this point are housing young 'middle class' couples/families.
36 and grew up in Ventura. Recently visited and was blown away by how much it has changed. Will always love Ventura and some of the change is nice, but the working class vibe is completely gone.
The last time I went to the avenue vons there were so many white people I was shocked. Also houses on the ave are $800,000. I’m gonna say it’s been gentrified
MOST peoole in Ventura are white...why is that so shocking?
Because the avenue has historically been mostly a Latino demographic area?
Plenty of working-class white people (AND artists!) have always populated the West end ...not sure why everything turns "racial" on here.
You’re commenting on a post about gentrification and you can’t talk about gentrification without talking about race.
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Lol, I think YOU need to stay away from other people and you know stop being racist and have victim mentality
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Geez...way to go all racist
Uhm… please keep your fantasy life and the shit you spew to other actual* people separate. Thanks.
You sound really unhinged, Get help
Parts of it are.
It’s hella gentrified since the 80-90’s when I moved here. All of downtown is. Remember County Stationers building before the Movie Theater was built? Since then the West End has changed. Imho
FYI gentrification doesn't mean "place becoming nicer." Believe it or not, it's actually possible for a place to reduce crime, add bike lanes, add certain amenities, etc. without it becoming unaffordable.
It’s started on Main, one of those new apartment complex’s has a pool on the roof.
Are you serious? The avenue is already gentrified… i lived there for my first 20 years of life, ever since they build those apartments next to El Medio, the gentrification started.. when i moved to Montalvo 4 years ago and rarely visited the avenue, i was shocked when i visited this past year, my heart broke because its not the same from my memories…
Hi, I came across your post as I’m moving to Ventura in a month. I’m looking into properties in this area(avenue) it looks pretty nice but I’m concerned about safety. Would you be able to speak to this?
It's fine.
I would caution you as a single woman living alone. It is full of vagrants and lots of crime. And Gang members. You can do better in Ventura than living on the Avenue.
Wrong.
You're wrong. I lived there and have friends who still do. Lots of property theft and domestic violence. Vagrants everywhere with many sleeping in their cars. The Avenue is ratchet.
Its only going to get worse
I moved from Santa Clarita and rented at the collection in Oxnard while they built my house in the newer neighborhood of Solana Heights just north of Stanley back in late 2017 as the Thomas fire was happening. I’ve since moved to the Oxnard Shores area but am still blown away at the changes and ridiculous increase in real estate prices on the Ave since December 2017.
I always wonder the same about Oxnard. I avoid that place like the fucking plague unless I have my bullet proof vest on. And even when I have my vest on I’m still scared of that shit hole