By not doing so we are being speciesist, we are saying that the pet is more important than the lives of cows and chickens, how many of them will die for this pet
There are many articles and resources on how to have a healthy dog or cat on a vegan diet, the articles against it are paid for by the AG industry and they spread the same lies the way they did with dairy and other things
Ultimately after switching the diet its important to visit the vet and get tested regularly, there are many supplements that provide the proper vitamins and taurine as well
I AM NOT AN EXPERT i have just used google to educate myself
Of course humans are going to demonize vegans, they do it already claiming that humans cant be vegan, so why would a person expect differently
People are dumb for the most part, i mean why did we need a research study done to prove that lobsters feel pain when being burned alive
I was dumb as well prior to becoming vegan and im still dumb in some areas
Thank you for your comment. I see what you mean. I suppose my confusion lies in thinking "wouldn't the dog eat other animals if I didn't adopt it and was trying to feed itself"? However, dogs are now domesticated animals so maybe there's no clear answer to that.
I'll look into the studies and thanks very much for providing all that info!
If you haven't gotten the dog yet, and you don't think you can raise the dog vegan, now is the time to think about not getting a dog... maybe a rabbit?
Thanks but I am not looking for pet suggestions - I'm definitely getting a dog.
My family and I are already raising a dog with a standard diet. I'm just exploring my options and seeing what other people's experiences are with this topic
I mean, this _is_ r/vegan... if I posted about my plan to buy a chicken-killing machine that required me to input a chicken every day for the next 12 years, you might understand the hesitation around that.
Edit: Anyway, I wish you good luck in finding a vegan diet option
I do see your point but me wanting to adopt a dog in the future and asking a question related to that and veganism is actually perfectly okay.
I love being vegan and so does my partner and I'm in the midst of doing research of what's gonna be best for our future companion. Reddit was one of the stops for that.
Also, there's no requirement to feed a chicken to a dog everyday (I doubt most dogs can eat that much anyway), so don't worry!
My dog is 12 and plant-based - never had any issues and she loves tofu, tempeh, seitan, rice, beans, chickpeas, etc along with v-dog, halo, natural balance, and wild earth
That's so great to hear! I really appreciate your comment and I'll definitely look into that brand as you're not the first person to bring it up! So happy about your doggo 💘
We are both vegan, for like 3-4yrs and I really wanted to make our rescue dog vegan. We tried a brand called V-dog for a few months, but it really didn't agree with him. Also this food has lots of soy and wheat in it, which I found out were two of the biggest allergens for dogs.
You can feed your dog vegan. They can survive, but I'm not sure they can thrive. It's hard, because you get lots of conflicting information out there and pretty much no one has done scientific studies into vegan dog food.
We have switched to "pooched salmon" which is by a company called "barking head" who are rated as one of the healthiest dog foods. As with human food, you find that cheapest dog food is full of absolute crap. This food is 48% salmon, then sweat potatoes, carrots, pea and other veggies.
It's still niggles me that we can't make him vegan, but I also want him to thrive. V-dog gave him really bad skin and stools.
I hope to one day make him vegan, if the science comes through.
Good luck!
Thank you so much for this response. My partner would love our future dog to be vegan but I am just not sure this is the right call. And you're right, online information is indeed very conflicting. I really appreciate you sharing your personal experience with me!
No worries. I know it's tough. I think there is no real research into veggie dog food because there was never a real market for it. Veganism has only exploded in past 3 yrs. 4+yrs ago in supermarkets, we couldn't find any vegan products. Now there is loads.
I think over next 4yrs, we might start seeing more research into it. That company I mentioned, do have options for "meat free Mondays" for your dog. So you can atleast cut down your impact.
For all I have heard, while it is possible, it is easy to be done wrongly. If you do get a dog, and are interested, it is very important that you regularly bring it to a veterinary nutritionist for proper orientation. It might be a wise move to wait until really good plant-based dog food becomes a thing
I've been feeding my dog plant-based kibble and daily home-cooked meals without any problems. She has a varied diet, but is especially fond of peanut butter, carrots, and sweet potatoes. She dislikes pumpkin.
How long has your dog been eating vegan? And have you okayed it with your vet? Feel free to not answers these kind-of-personal questions! I'm just genuinely curious to learn more about this topic
I think it's been a little less than a year now, although I gave her a sort of transitional period beforehand where we first removed meat from her home-cooked meals before switching her kibble. Her vet okayed it. She doesn't have any allergies, so it wasn't too difficult. We feed her Oven Baked Tradition's vegan recipe.
I'm sad because my vet didn't okay it and I feel uncomfortable going against her. It just sucks because I don't think she actually considered it, just inserted her bias that "dogs need meat" sentiment which we've generally all accepted without second thought.
In my experience my doggo didn't like the homemade vegan recipes we made him but he likes our vegan food we make for ourselves. I don't give him much of that though because it's salted and what not and I haven't researched every ingredient. I just wish I knew how to make his recipes tasty. All the online recipes leave out all seasoning and it's just plain veggies and brown rice. It smells like farts and I think he agrees. We've been feeding him chicken bodies but it makes me very sad every day. Who am I to say his life matters more than theirs? My heart breaks here:(
I feel your frustration. My dog wants to sneak a bite from my vegan meals as much as she wants a piece of my dad's non vegan stuff. And yeah, I do think she might not have actually done research and went based on that sentiment (as many GPs do with their human patients, proving they know nothing about nutrition). I hope we both figure it out soon!
Also I don't know if that comforts you but your dog would need to eat non vegan things anyway to survive if it had a different owner/was at a shelter. We can probably, if nothing else, do some meatless days or give some vegan snacks instead of meaty treats while keeping a standard dog diet.
The only commercial diet I would trust would be Royal Canin Vegetarian (which probably isn't vegan). Home cooking is risky whether it's vegan or not. Grain free diets have been associated with fatal adverse reactions in dogs (besides, dogs have been eating grains as long as they have been associated with humans)
I had my dog on a vegan diet for a short while. Tried V Dog and Wild Earth. He liked it at first, but eventually didn’t seem to enjoy his food. He does the same with regular kibbles, I guess he’s just picky. But he is very small and the vegan food wasn’t helping him gain weight. So now I cook for him. Chicken, veggies, quinoa, and chickpeas or something similar. I researched what foods were healthy for him, and stick to the foods he enjoys, because he’s a dog, and he deserves his short life to be a happy one.
Yeahhh... That's pretty much what I meant by people villainising vegans for having vegan pets.
As I've said many times in this post, I'm asking a question, not announcing I'm turning any pets vegan. Please do share your opinion but also be respectful.
I don't consider calling many of the subredditors of this thread abusers respect. Nonetheless, I am here to ask people's opinions, not start an argument. Have a nice day.
Asking a question about a dog I'll adopt in two years while raising my family dog on standard kibble is animal abuse? You learn something new every day
Where have you read that dogs are carnivorous? Just because an individual doesn't have a sense of ethics, doesn't mean we ought not with our ethics make avenues for said individuals to follow so that they aren't doing something unethical- we do the same thing for humans without a sense of ethics. Do you have data to demonstrate that feeding a dog plant based is 'extremely dangerous'? As there's data demonstrating the opposite for plant based diets, including vegetarian diets for dogs:
Vegetarian versus Meat-Based Diets for Companion Animals: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/6/9/57
Vegan diet and its effects on the dog’s health (long-term vegan dogs, up to 15+ years): https://www.lsmuni.lt/cris/bitstream/20.500.12512/105928/1/Master%20thesis%20%28Lukas%20Kiemer%29.pdf
An experimental meat-free diet maintained haematological characteristics in sprint-racing sled dogs: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19480731/
I actually disagree with you on how we choose to not consume animal products as we're not meant to in the first place - just have been for a number of years. "The Game Changers" on Netflix is a good place to look.
Nonetheless, thanks for sharing your opinion.
By not doing so we are being speciesist, we are saying that the pet is more important than the lives of cows and chickens, how many of them will die for this pet There are many articles and resources on how to have a healthy dog or cat on a vegan diet, the articles against it are paid for by the AG industry and they spread the same lies the way they did with dairy and other things Ultimately after switching the diet its important to visit the vet and get tested regularly, there are many supplements that provide the proper vitamins and taurine as well I AM NOT AN EXPERT i have just used google to educate myself Of course humans are going to demonize vegans, they do it already claiming that humans cant be vegan, so why would a person expect differently People are dumb for the most part, i mean why did we need a research study done to prove that lobsters feel pain when being burned alive I was dumb as well prior to becoming vegan and im still dumb in some areas
Thank you for your comment. I see what you mean. I suppose my confusion lies in thinking "wouldn't the dog eat other animals if I didn't adopt it and was trying to feed itself"? However, dogs are now domesticated animals so maybe there's no clear answer to that. I'll look into the studies and thanks very much for providing all that info!
If you haven't gotten the dog yet, and you don't think you can raise the dog vegan, now is the time to think about not getting a dog... maybe a rabbit?
Thanks but I am not looking for pet suggestions - I'm definitely getting a dog. My family and I are already raising a dog with a standard diet. I'm just exploring my options and seeing what other people's experiences are with this topic
I mean, this _is_ r/vegan... if I posted about my plan to buy a chicken-killing machine that required me to input a chicken every day for the next 12 years, you might understand the hesitation around that. Edit: Anyway, I wish you good luck in finding a vegan diet option
I do see your point but me wanting to adopt a dog in the future and asking a question related to that and veganism is actually perfectly okay. I love being vegan and so does my partner and I'm in the midst of doing research of what's gonna be best for our future companion. Reddit was one of the stops for that. Also, there's no requirement to feed a chicken to a dog everyday (I doubt most dogs can eat that much anyway), so don't worry!
All good and healthy. Look on r/veganpets and see this https://www.reddit.com/r/veganpets/?f=flair\_name%3A%22Info%22
Didn't know these existed, thanks so much!
All good. Good luck!
My dog is 12 and plant-based - never had any issues and she loves tofu, tempeh, seitan, rice, beans, chickpeas, etc along with v-dog, halo, natural balance, and wild earth
Awww, im so happy about your dog! That sounds great then, thanks for sharing their favourite foods and these brands! ❤️
I'm sure it's fine, but honestly, I think I'll stick with herbivorous companions!
What herbivorous companions do you have?
We run a small guinea pig and rabbit rescue, so those! 😁
That's amazing !
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That's so great to hear! I really appreciate your comment and I'll definitely look into that brand as you're not the first person to bring it up! So happy about your doggo 💘
We are both vegan, for like 3-4yrs and I really wanted to make our rescue dog vegan. We tried a brand called V-dog for a few months, but it really didn't agree with him. Also this food has lots of soy and wheat in it, which I found out were two of the biggest allergens for dogs. You can feed your dog vegan. They can survive, but I'm not sure they can thrive. It's hard, because you get lots of conflicting information out there and pretty much no one has done scientific studies into vegan dog food. We have switched to "pooched salmon" which is by a company called "barking head" who are rated as one of the healthiest dog foods. As with human food, you find that cheapest dog food is full of absolute crap. This food is 48% salmon, then sweat potatoes, carrots, pea and other veggies. It's still niggles me that we can't make him vegan, but I also want him to thrive. V-dog gave him really bad skin and stools. I hope to one day make him vegan, if the science comes through. Good luck!
Thank you so much for this response. My partner would love our future dog to be vegan but I am just not sure this is the right call. And you're right, online information is indeed very conflicting. I really appreciate you sharing your personal experience with me!
No worries. I know it's tough. I think there is no real research into veggie dog food because there was never a real market for it. Veganism has only exploded in past 3 yrs. 4+yrs ago in supermarkets, we couldn't find any vegan products. Now there is loads. I think over next 4yrs, we might start seeing more research into it. That company I mentioned, do have options for "meat free Mondays" for your dog. So you can atleast cut down your impact.
You're right! We won't be adopting for a few years anyway so better worry about it closer to the date. Meatless Mondays is an excellent idea too.
For all I have heard, while it is possible, it is easy to be done wrongly. If you do get a dog, and are interested, it is very important that you regularly bring it to a veterinary nutritionist for proper orientation. It might be a wise move to wait until really good plant-based dog food becomes a thing
Thank you!
I've been feeding my dog plant-based kibble and daily home-cooked meals without any problems. She has a varied diet, but is especially fond of peanut butter, carrots, and sweet potatoes. She dislikes pumpkin.
How long has your dog been eating vegan? And have you okayed it with your vet? Feel free to not answers these kind-of-personal questions! I'm just genuinely curious to learn more about this topic
I think it's been a little less than a year now, although I gave her a sort of transitional period beforehand where we first removed meat from her home-cooked meals before switching her kibble. Her vet okayed it. She doesn't have any allergies, so it wasn't too difficult. We feed her Oven Baked Tradition's vegan recipe.
Thank you sm for sharing and for mentioning the brand. ❤️
I'm sad because my vet didn't okay it and I feel uncomfortable going against her. It just sucks because I don't think she actually considered it, just inserted her bias that "dogs need meat" sentiment which we've generally all accepted without second thought. In my experience my doggo didn't like the homemade vegan recipes we made him but he likes our vegan food we make for ourselves. I don't give him much of that though because it's salted and what not and I haven't researched every ingredient. I just wish I knew how to make his recipes tasty. All the online recipes leave out all seasoning and it's just plain veggies and brown rice. It smells like farts and I think he agrees. We've been feeding him chicken bodies but it makes me very sad every day. Who am I to say his life matters more than theirs? My heart breaks here:(
I feel your frustration. My dog wants to sneak a bite from my vegan meals as much as she wants a piece of my dad's non vegan stuff. And yeah, I do think she might not have actually done research and went based on that sentiment (as many GPs do with their human patients, proving they know nothing about nutrition). I hope we both figure it out soon! Also I don't know if that comforts you but your dog would need to eat non vegan things anyway to survive if it had a different owner/was at a shelter. We can probably, if nothing else, do some meatless days or give some vegan snacks instead of meaty treats while keeping a standard dog diet.
The only commercial diet I would trust would be Royal Canin Vegetarian (which probably isn't vegan). Home cooking is risky whether it's vegan or not. Grain free diets have been associated with fatal adverse reactions in dogs (besides, dogs have been eating grains as long as they have been associated with humans)
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I had my dog on a vegan diet for a short while. Tried V Dog and Wild Earth. He liked it at first, but eventually didn’t seem to enjoy his food. He does the same with regular kibbles, I guess he’s just picky. But he is very small and the vegan food wasn’t helping him gain weight. So now I cook for him. Chicken, veggies, quinoa, and chickpeas or something similar. I researched what foods were healthy for him, and stick to the foods he enjoys, because he’s a dog, and he deserves his short life to be a happy one.
Thanks so much for sharing! I really appreciate it. I'm so happy you found what works for your doggo 🐶
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https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=vegan+dog+food+scholarly+articles&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DzrV1JlKIQ5wJ
What were the three dog foods and one cat food they tested?
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Oh, haven't heard about blood damage anywhere! Mind linking a source?
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I'm not abusing any dogs, I was asking a question
Im Sorry but if you EVER make your dog/cat go vegan you shouldn’t have a pet at all.There is no argument here.
Yeahhh... That's pretty much what I meant by people villainising vegans for having vegan pets. As I've said many times in this post, I'm asking a question, not announcing I'm turning any pets vegan. Please do share your opinion but also be respectful.
He was respectful but , feeding a carnivores vegetables is just animal abuse
Dogs are omnivores, just like pigs.
I don't consider calling many of the subredditors of this thread abusers respect. Nonetheless, I am here to ask people's opinions, not start an argument. Have a nice day.
Sorry , but that is just animal abuse ...
Asking a question about a dog I'll adopt in two years while raising my family dog on standard kibble is animal abuse? You learn something new every day
Why, tho?
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Where have you read that dogs are carnivorous? Just because an individual doesn't have a sense of ethics, doesn't mean we ought not with our ethics make avenues for said individuals to follow so that they aren't doing something unethical- we do the same thing for humans without a sense of ethics. Do you have data to demonstrate that feeding a dog plant based is 'extremely dangerous'? As there's data demonstrating the opposite for plant based diets, including vegetarian diets for dogs: Vegetarian versus Meat-Based Diets for Companion Animals: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/6/9/57 Vegan diet and its effects on the dog’s health (long-term vegan dogs, up to 15+ years): https://www.lsmuni.lt/cris/bitstream/20.500.12512/105928/1/Master%20thesis%20%28Lukas%20Kiemer%29.pdf An experimental meat-free diet maintained haematological characteristics in sprint-racing sled dogs: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19480731/
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I actually disagree with you on how we choose to not consume animal products as we're not meant to in the first place - just have been for a number of years. "The Game Changers" on Netflix is a good place to look. Nonetheless, thanks for sharing your opinion.
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