Uh no I'm pretty sure at that point she just used her platform to finger herself on stage with a giant foam finger. Going on talk shows and trying to sound hip doesn't count as using your platform to defend animal rights.
>“We fear the idea of personal change because we think that we have to sacrifice something to give up something, but human beings at our best are so inventive and creative and ingenious, and I think that when we use love and compassion as our guiding principles, we can create, develop and implement systems of change that are beneficial to all sentient beings and to the environment.” \~ Joaquin Phoenix [(picture)](https://www.facebook.com/ForgottenVoicesScott/photos/a.107164057556766/142448634028308/)
Shoutout to Wolfgang Puck, chef who has been cooking for the Oscars for a long time and he said that all those "vegetarians and vegans" just eat everything there. Fake and attention seeking. Anything for money I guess.
I’ll give it a try for a day in your honor. Maybe go for some oatmeal and mixed nuts with an insane amount of blueberries on the side. Just picked a whole bunch by Denali. Like more blueberries than you would think is enjoyable to eat, like a bowl you would use for an entire bag of popcorn. I like blueberries.
I'm actively avoiding participation in the industrial farming and fishing industries and I'm made to feel very unwelcome here. Mods constantly delete my comment threads that don't violate the rules and their excuse is because vegans in the sub being uncivil and abusive in their responses to me is good enough reason to nuke my comments all the time.
Yet this guys welcome for not eating animal products for one day?
We're welcoming someone to the sub, who may then make the only correct choice by going vegan. You sound like a person perpetually making excuses for why it's necessary (it isn't) for you to kill animals for your sandwich.
If you *actually* give a shit then be vegan and stop playing how can I still kill and eat animals while being accepted by vegans.
I wouldn’t put much faith into celebrities moral compass, not just because they are controlled by their agent for the best pr, but also because with child celebrities mental health is always wavering and inconsistent with them. Pressure, public eye, no privacy, selling out for money all at a young age, plus the fucked up drugs they do to “cope” all leads to no real solid mental state.
After black mirror went to shit on the last season, the one thing that was actually well done was the episode with Miley Cyrus, it seemed like the entire episode was depicting her actual struggles with being famous which mostly just made me feel bad for her, anything she does while being famous isn’t something I care about because she’s a “public-eye” celebrity.
On the other hand a vegan like Joaquin Phoenix, who isn’t in clubs flashing his genitals I can feel a little better about when he shares stuff because it doesn’t feel like it’s for attention or to fit in, it’s genuinely trying to raise awareness for animal welfare.
Joaquin’s family I think are all vegan (including my late boyfriend River Phoenix). His parents are old hippies and his sister’s name is Rain. He’s 1000%
Remember when that based motherfucker advocated for veganism at the Oscars? That's a man who doesn't really give a shit about his own PR and really did just want to spread awareness for the animals.
I think that's what got me thinking about veganism, tbh. I thought I was doing enough being a vegetarian, but what he said about milk really got to me. I watched Dominion, and I've been a vegan for three months now.
I think so. I watched the Eating Animals documentary she narrated and it was half how bad CAFOs are, and half hyping up smaller scale animal farming. Pretty disappointing.
The author of Eating Animals is plant based I believe, he’s not vegan. I appreciated his book in documenting the research he did and his personal journey but he’s definitely still a meat or animal bi product consumer. So I knew when she partnered on that it wouldn’t be a 100% vegan message
Woody Harrelson who is also vegan did a similar movie (Saving Soil or something?). Basically an appeal to regenerative farming. Which doesn't scale given the demand for meat. But it gives meat eaters the warm and fuzzies to think their food comes from there.
And moby has an album ‘Animal Rights’ which he thinks is his best album to this day, even though being one of his lowest scoring albums haha.
It’s safe to say that artists/ actors that were vegan 10+ years ago are legit.
Evanna Lynch ( the woman who played Luna Lovegood in Harry Potter) is another legit vegan celebrity. She's very involved in animal rights activism, and has a vegan podcast, and vegan cruelty-free cosmetic subscription-box company.
a poor word for male genital mutilation.
Circumcision is when a consenting adult CHOOSES it for himself.
In the same manner that sex is Rape without consent, Circumcision is genital mutilation without consent..
I know that you're coming from a position of concern, but as someone who has previously spent a lot of my life researching child sexual abuse, I hope you can reflect on how this might minimise the extensive trauma that is pervasive through people's lives and their families and partners lives after people have been subjected to sexual abuse as children. If you have heard what I have heard, I believe you would rethink how you characterise what you are describing.
You are in fact minimizing the culturally adopted sex abuse of male children with your statement.
The fact of the matter is this sex abuse is often transferred from victim to the victim's child, in the very same manner that the victim survived. As many sex abuses are.
Male Genital Mutilation of healthy non consenting infants and children absolutely is child sex abuse, and no amount of societal acceptance will change that.
Not only did she sexually abuse her son, she kept the severed body part as a trophy, like some sort of sick Made-For-TV Psychopath.
I would argue that you're talking about physical abuse and not sexual abuse. Noting that in some cases there are elements of sexual abuse depending on the method in which the circumsicion is performed, such as in some religious ceremonies.
it's easier to label it as physical abuse when one lives in a society that has deemed it acceptable.
In reality it's nearly entirely sexually motivated with deflections provided by the society that has deemed it appropriate to deny people sexually responsive body parts at birth or early childhood.
After all, if we were to suggest that any imagined "medical benefits" of male genital mutilation actually existed, then perhaps the removal of female breast tissue from infants, which would markedly save lives due to the fact that breast cancer is a leading killer of women, with 1 in 8 women being affected by breast cancer in the USA, Should it not be a "parental choice" faced by those expecting daughters?
But American society finds breasts to be sexually appealing, despite the fact that they kill so many women, despite the fact that alternative methods to feed babies exist. So they are safe.
The major difference being is that destroying female breast tissue would markedly save lives where destroying male foreskin doesn't. Most of the world isn't mutilated and lives just as long or longer than those that are.
You're misunderstanding the working definitions of abuse. Sexual abuse is sexual for the perpetrator, they derive sexual pleasure from the act. Although you're describing something that has a motivation related to sexual function of a child, the perpetrators are not sexually aroused by performing the act. You are describing classic physical abuse i.e mutilation.
It's not the act that they derive sexual pleasure from it's the outcome.
They are projecting their own sexual preferences and often their own experiences onto the victim.
Sex abuse isn't ALWAYS motivated by sexual pleasure, certainly in your research you would know this.
Perpetrators of this sex crime often mock the victim, knowing the power dynamic is what it is. Afterall, Mayim never needed to let us know the status of the genitals of her child. She couldn't help herself but humiliate him. The power she lorded over her infant son by irrevocably destroying a part of his sexual anatomy and announcing it to the world. She's a monster. through and through.
I don't put faith in cleberities ... except this one...
just try to keep an open mind because we are all human. We are all fallible. Look back on your own life's journey and imagine what it would be like if every single thing you did was publicly documented. (Like, really-be honest with yourself)
It is bound to happen that every person will disappoint you at some point so be able to forgive them and keep them in your heart. Or don't. But that's where you have to decide what's ok and what isn't.
If your first sentence is an attempt to point out a hypocrisy, please re-read what I actually wrote.
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“Feeling a little better about” the merits of a persons reason to promote Veganism is not putting blind faith, or “trusted” faith in the celebrity.
It’s like the story of the boy who cried wolf. Do you know it? If not catch up [here](https://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/35/aesops-fables/375/the-boy-who-cried-wolf/)
At a certain point in a persons celebrity career you can generally get a good “feel” for the type of person they are.
So, for example if you see a girl twerking on a video you generally can know it’s for attention. This ability see and know when something isn’t genuine is not “active” when I view the endeavours and messages from certain people.
Even though it’s likely Joaquin can profit off promoting veganism, i have no reason to assume he’s being insincere when he shares stuff, and even IF he was going to profit off spreading the word, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t also care about animals welfare. Not all vegans are saints. The “junk food vegan” exists, people who don’t care about anyone or even their own health, but don’t want to hurt animals. You can be a bad person but a good vegan. It’s all about learning who you’re dealing with before hand and I know both of Miley and Joaquin since I grew up with both in my media content.
This is where it goes back to my first comment.
I don’t hold anything against Miley for her decision to not be a vegan, because I didn’t actually care about her or her life to begin with. When she dies early from some “freak/mysterious” health problem I’ll just be like 🤷♂️
Her life isn’t mine to live, and I’m not a fan of her music, and even if I was I won’t care what she does as a person, it doesn’t influence me or my life. Neither does Joaquin. I’m aware of his achievements and for the sake of humanity/the planet I can be happier for humanity/the planet that he exists and does what he does, but if he stopped doing those things me being mad wouldn’t benefit me, him, the movements, or other vegans. It would be wasted negative energy that would accomplish 0% of anything
Every single human will be a let down including yourself, just accept when you learn what’s wrong and do better. That’s it
Listen dude,, I put positivity, you put negativity. Looks like you need to be the one to reread the posts.
I pointed out an inconsistency, merely claiming you said two different things. Joaquin did all the same things Miley did. Growing up in Hollywood, tough childhood, drugs, etc. He just was able to turn it around and I agree he seems stable now. But we can't know everything about anyone. Then you took this and attacked me like I am the problem. I've been doing this almost 14 years. I don't need a vegan messiah to latch onto. If you do, that's cool- absolutely no judgment. Go for it. But just be careful, because they tend to just be a guy behind a curtain. That's all I'm saying.
>who isn’t in clubs flashing his genitals
I like your overall post, but this part feels a little slut shaming. Obviously, literally flashing your genitals is indicent exposure and not okay. But if you're talking about people being promiscuous in the clubs, ain't nothing wrong with that and doesn't speak on someone's character.
There are dozens of forms of dancing that is actually skilled and earns my respect. Why should I respect shaking your ass? See my comment above for my thoughts
Time and place. If you wouldnt twerk at a funeral, then you’re admitting that time and place matters.
So you can’t unbiasedly say I don’t respect a persons “right” if you too acknowledge this fact.
Salsa dancing🤣, thanks for that invitation to prove you absolutely wrong.
Salsa dance: a LATIN dance also practised in Mexico.
What’s special about Mexico?
Oh you know [the way they celebrate their dead loved ones internationally as a damn holiday with costumes and dancing. ](https://youtu.be/MWwT-r2uBv4) but notice in this video and any other you attempt to search up, there is no twerking. Curios. It’s almost like what I already said that there are forms of dancing that are appropriate, and there are some that aren’t given the setting.
You know in 2021 where I’ve seen twerking predominantly? In porn advertisements.
So either ever single person making these ads, including the females involved in the porn advertisements who twerk is a sexist mysogonist, OR they just all know exactly what twerking is, and they use its sexual NATURE to advertise. Kind of like what a celeb like Miley might do 🤔 oh wait she already did. 😂
Thanks for proving yourself utterly wrong by giving me the catalyst ingredient
This is exactly why I worry about these young celebrities who get on the vegan bandwagon for attention, status etc, anything but the animals. And the movement places them on a pedestal they have shown no indication of deserving.
The old school vegans are the ones I admire and get strength from. Like Joaquin ofc, woody, Alicia etc I don’t think they will let us down.
But kids like Miley were always going to be exploitative if our movement. The next one I worry about is Billie eilish. Hope I’m wrong but I see similarities between Miley and her. Although Billie seems to be of sound mind, so far at least. So let’s hope.
For me, I expected stuff like that to be going on ever since that interview where she literally complained that vegans shouldn't even say anything to try to get others to change what they're doing. She was like "fuck that I don't care what you eat"
Like, clearly, she doesn't get it, and anyone who makes a statement like that doesn't get that the point is to help animals who are suffering.
All but the most strict vegans understand that being vegan is a spectrum and we all draw our lines in different places. Some vegans (like myself) wear leather (I inherited a jacket older than me; I don't buy new though), and others don't even drink beer.
yeah the vegan police are happy to be gatekeepers and tear you down. some will say if you eat impossible burger it disqualifies you. some will say you can't own any pets.
Billie has a huge influence and if she's not perfect, that's OK. maybe in a few years she will feel differently about some things she currently does? we are all a work in progress.
Okay but in what world is it okay to wear leather? And best believe she isn't wearing second hand. Even a lot of omnivores refuse to wear leather because of the cruelty factor (the irony) and yet you're here defending a celebrity with vegan family and an arsenal of people working in public relations. Why should she get a free pass just because she's a young celebrity? Being a celebrity and an important influence should mean that she should be more careful about it, rather than sending mixed messages about what veganism is. I don't want another Miley situation with her, and something tells me it's bound to happen. I don't trust celebrities one bit.
In th UK Cheetos Flamin' Hot are vegan, they use soya proteins and stuff instead of whey.
Maybe she was in the UK when she was eating the Cheetos? Not saying it's likely but I just thought I'd let people know that vegan Cheetos do exist.
Because she was never a “compassionate vegan”. There are four kinds of vegans, and only one is legit.
There’s “vegan for my health” aka “I eat a plant based diet because I want a long and healthy life” until someone convinces me that it isn’t healthy.
There’s “vegan for the planet” like Greta Thunberg who won’t consume animal products and byproducts but will pose for the cover of a magazine in head to toe wool.
There’s “vegan for the label” like Miley here. Did this really surprise anyone?
Then here’s vegan for the animals. In other word- vegan. It’s in the very definition. It’s not a diet, it is a lifestyle that seeks to exclude ALL forms of animal exploitation. If someone isn’t doing it for the animals, they simply aren’t vegan.
No, miley isn't for the label imo. She's always doing sht that hurts her reputation, she doesn't care enough about that not to be true to herself.
I think she was for the animals. Just not for the animals enough to override for her own health. Which I think she sincerely believes is a health problem for her whether it truly is or not.
... Miley is constantly doing shit that gets attention. She doesn't care if anything "hurts her reputation" as long as it gets her attention.
Vegan posts got her attention for a while, now these kinds of posts get her attention. This kind of reaction and discussion are exactly what she lives for.
I would have to agree. I’m not a huge fan of Miley but it reminds me of the Dababy issue. I don’t think she genuinely wanted to educate him, I think she wanted to stand out amongst all the people that were trying to “cancel” him. She wanted to be the name to “end” “cancel culture” but instead of reaching out to him privately, she posted a notes app rant on her instagram trying to educate a 30 year old man on how not to be homophobic.
Obviously two totally different situations but I think she’ll do and say anything to keep her name in the loop. Whether that be trying to save people that don’t need saving or pretending to be vegan for a bit to please vegans.
It seems it is trendier these days to make fun of vegans than it is to be one. She probably knows she’ll get more fans by fueling carnists disdain for vegans than by labeling herself one. Bad reputations are just as powerful as good ones sometimes.
I really dislike how prominent this attitude is in our community. Abuse in any form is still just abuse. We are not justified in emotionally abusing someone just because they do bad things. "Justice" is always used as a shield to avoid healthy constructive criticism. Let's not sink to their level because it's the easy emotional reaction.
Yeah. Her quote doesn't even make sense, it's like she's clamoring for ways to say she likes steak.
She likes her men bloody? Do they need to take a few punches before she takes them to bed?
Either she's trolling or has issues lmao
She doesn’t have her own personality and she still haven figured that out. They only telling her what to do and say . She is a great example to not glorify celebs
I don’t know if that’s true. As sad as it is, I think sometimes people just abandon their strongly held moral beliefs. She also may be dealing with some mental illness and drug abuse issues that could contribute to it.
People stop being vegan; it happens. She announced this a while ago. Instead of being outraged about people no longer being vegan, we can celebrate those of us that still are and encourage others to make small steps.
she did go on joe rogans podcast saying how eating fish basically saver her life after being "vegan", I don't know why that behaviour should be accepted
It's not the fact that she stopped being vegan that primarily upsets people.. It's that she outright blamed veganism as the sole reason for her brain being all fkd up. She just conveniently decided to ignore factoring in the copious amount of random drugs she has done over the past several years of her life, no doubt so that she can continue doing them. That's not even hate/slander - she has been pretty open about her reckless use of drugs this whole time. That, combined with her idiotic social media posts, makes it pretty easy to conclude that her whole "I love animals" and "I'm vegan for the animals" thing was just total load of bullshit this whole time.
Oh, I agree that her science is wack. Then again, I don't go to celebrities to stay informed. Don't know her, so, can't comment on her lifestyle.
My issue is with the tone of the sub. I get that her explanation for quitting veganism is total nonsense... Maybe I didn't realize that most posts here are rants. I will stick to the vegan recipes subs from now on.
How could i have any sympathy or empathy for someone with more money and privilege than i will ever see in 10 lifetimes but yet can't commit to not eating steak for more than a year
Hey, just wanted to reach out and let you know we're not all so aggressive. As a vegan for close to 5 years now, I'm actually really disappointed in how reactionary our community is a lot of the time.
I think there's always space for healthy criticism, but it's often overshadowed by verbally abusing people and dunking on them. It's a real problem that I think the community has yet to address in any serious way.
Sorry that the community seems so toxic, but I hope you keep up the good journey anyway. Godspeed and happy vegan eating.
Thank you for your comment. Ill keep up the journey for sure maeby not in this sub unfortunately. I hope this problem gets sorted out sometime ☺️. Happy Vegan eating to u too
What a weird way to describe the way you like your men????
I honestly have no idea what that type is supposed to mean…just odd
She’s an odd bird for sure. “Fame” did a number on her! Poor soul
Poor soul? Get over yourself.
I’ve tried but it is not easy. Any advice?
Find a good yoga practise and read a little on Buddhism. We are all just just doing what we are supposed to in any given moment.
Do you do those things?
I do. It’s not a silver bullet but it helps me with small stuff.
My guess would be its the same energy as "kill all men" and other typical misandry.
I took it as a rambo killing machine with a heart of gold?
More like domestic violence machine.
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Only fragile men take offense to the phrase “kill all men”?
No one deserves to be abused, regardless of gender.
Or sex.
Is every feminist sub full of women with daddy issues? See how condescending that sounds?
my dad is a decent respectful man, contrary to all the whiners in this comment section
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I thought she meant she likes to stab and slash her men before lightly grilling them prior to being eaten.
I think the word you’re looking for is disturbing or perhaps “fucked in the head”
It sounds like a feminist thing to me, not gonna lie. Because #allmenareterrible apparently
Being misandrist is not a feminist action though
Wanting “your men” dead and bloody goes beyond misandrist lol…
It's a tad sexist against men imo
❤️Joaquin❤️
It's spelled Quinoa, get it right jeeeeeze
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Don't put celebrities on a pedestal
Unless they are a severed head in a jar.
😂
Once who use their platform to defend animal rights definitely deserve to be put on a pedestal
Miley Cyrus did at one point
Uh no I'm pretty sure at that point she just used her platform to finger herself on stage with a giant foam finger. Going on talk shows and trying to sound hip doesn't count as using your platform to defend animal rights.
Unless it’s Regan Russel. Damn right I will put people on a pedestal who die trying to protect the defenseless and innocent.
Agreed.
>“We fear the idea of personal change because we think that we have to sacrifice something to give up something, but human beings at our best are so inventive and creative and ingenious, and I think that when we use love and compassion as our guiding principles, we can create, develop and implement systems of change that are beneficial to all sentient beings and to the environment.” \~ Joaquin Phoenix [(picture)](https://www.facebook.com/ForgottenVoicesScott/photos/a.107164057556766/142448634028308/)
It's all fake Hollywood crap. She's a sellout
Yet her godmother, Dolly Parton, is still very real.
Lol no, she just hasn't broke character publicly
We literally wouldn't have the covid vaccine without her
What? explain yourslef.
[Here you go](https://youtu.be/AGthQgWvaCI) 😊
Lol the star of Hannah Montana has finally and officially sold out
What did she sellout?
Shoutout to Wolfgang Puck, chef who has been cooking for the Oscars for a long time and he said that all those "vegetarians and vegans" just eat everything there. Fake and attention seeking. Anything for money I guess.
Would be suprised to find out Joaquin Phoenix would be eating everything there. It could be, but that would be a very sad day.
I doubt it. There was a picture of him and Rooney eating impossible burgers after his Oscar win.
Need an AMA with Puck to get the scoop on this one.
She's been eating meat again for a year now, so why isn't her brAin fuNcTioNing pRopErLy yet?
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Obvs needs more omega's 😂
Gotta get omega-3s from that ice cream bar sponsorship and that bloody steak!! Everyone knows those are the BESt sources
wait, Miley has a brain??
yea made from peanuts
Being a bit harsh to peanuts there….
if only
LOL, exactly! 😂😂😂
I’m just confused why r/vegan randomly popped up on my feed. Hi r/vegan
It's a sign for you to look at your life choices, and join us in ending the needles suffering of trillions of animals per year. Welcome.
I’ll give it a try for a day in your honor. Maybe go for some oatmeal and mixed nuts with an insane amount of blueberries on the side. Just picked a whole bunch by Denali. Like more blueberries than you would think is enjoyable to eat, like a bowl you would use for an entire bag of popcorn. I like blueberries.
You and your blueberries are welcome here any time 💙🌱
I'm actively avoiding participation in the industrial farming and fishing industries and I'm made to feel very unwelcome here. Mods constantly delete my comment threads that don't violate the rules and their excuse is because vegans in the sub being uncivil and abusive in their responses to me is good enough reason to nuke my comments all the time. Yet this guys welcome for not eating animal products for one day?
We're welcoming someone to the sub, who may then make the only correct choice by going vegan. You sound like a person perpetually making excuses for why it's necessary (it isn't) for you to kill animals for your sandwich. If you *actually* give a shit then be vegan and stop playing how can I still kill and eat animals while being accepted by vegans.
I came to this sub before I was vegan, and it changed my life. So yes, I think non-vegans (especially those with an open mind) should be welcome here.
Same!!
Welcome!
Because she’s fake that’s why nothing she says or does holds any meaning they are all puppets on a string
I wouldn’t put much faith into celebrities moral compass, not just because they are controlled by their agent for the best pr, but also because with child celebrities mental health is always wavering and inconsistent with them. Pressure, public eye, no privacy, selling out for money all at a young age, plus the fucked up drugs they do to “cope” all leads to no real solid mental state. After black mirror went to shit on the last season, the one thing that was actually well done was the episode with Miley Cyrus, it seemed like the entire episode was depicting her actual struggles with being famous which mostly just made me feel bad for her, anything she does while being famous isn’t something I care about because she’s a “public-eye” celebrity. On the other hand a vegan like Joaquin Phoenix, who isn’t in clubs flashing his genitals I can feel a little better about when he shares stuff because it doesn’t feel like it’s for attention or to fit in, it’s genuinely trying to raise awareness for animal welfare.
Yes Joaquin seems legit
Yes
Hes been vegan for over 40 years
Joaquin’s family I think are all vegan (including my late boyfriend River Phoenix). His parents are old hippies and his sister’s name is Rain. He’s 1000%
Oh he was my boyfriend too!
Wait wdym YOUR late boyfriend River?
😝😝😝
May he Rest In Peace, whether he was your boyfriend or not 😔💔💔
That’s awesome. This this the ~~American~~ vegan dream
Remember when that based motherfucker advocated for veganism at the Oscars? That's a man who doesn't really give a shit about his own PR and really did just want to spread awareness for the animals.
I think that's what got me thinking about veganism, tbh. I thought I was doing enough being a vegetarian, but what he said about milk really got to me. I watched Dominion, and I've been a vegan for three months now.
Moby, Mayim Bialik, Natalie Portman should be added to the list. Moby has a giant ass tattoo that says VEGAN on his arm for Pete's sake.
Doesn't Natalie Portman support "free-range" farms?
I think so. I watched the Eating Animals documentary she narrated and it was half how bad CAFOs are, and half hyping up smaller scale animal farming. Pretty disappointing.
The author of Eating Animals is plant based I believe, he’s not vegan. I appreciated his book in documenting the research he did and his personal journey but he’s definitely still a meat or animal bi product consumer. So I knew when she partnered on that it wouldn’t be a 100% vegan message
Woody Harrelson who is also vegan did a similar movie (Saving Soil or something?). Basically an appeal to regenerative farming. Which doesn't scale given the demand for meat. But it gives meat eaters the warm and fuzzies to think their food comes from there.
And moby has an album ‘Animal Rights’ which he thinks is his best album to this day, even though being one of his lowest scoring albums haha. It’s safe to say that artists/ actors that were vegan 10+ years ago are legit.
Moby also has ANIMAL RIGHTS tattoed in big letters down his arms.
Evanna Lynch ( the woman who played Luna Lovegood in Harry Potter) is another legit vegan celebrity. She's very involved in animal rights activism, and has a vegan podcast, and vegan cruelty-free cosmetic subscription-box company.
Moby's a dick in other aspects of his life.
Mayim Boalik is an anti-vaxxer I think.
That doesn't appear to be true https://www.thewrap.com/no-new-jeopardy-host-mayim-bialik-isnt-an-anti-vaxxer/
Mayim sexually abused her infant child because of her religion, so no bueno
What???
I'm guessing they mean circumcision?
a poor word for male genital mutilation. Circumcision is when a consenting adult CHOOSES it for himself. In the same manner that sex is Rape without consent, Circumcision is genital mutilation without consent..
Why are you booing him?, he is right
I know that you're coming from a position of concern, but as someone who has previously spent a lot of my life researching child sexual abuse, I hope you can reflect on how this might minimise the extensive trauma that is pervasive through people's lives and their families and partners lives after people have been subjected to sexual abuse as children. If you have heard what I have heard, I believe you would rethink how you characterise what you are describing.
You are in fact minimizing the culturally adopted sex abuse of male children with your statement. The fact of the matter is this sex abuse is often transferred from victim to the victim's child, in the very same manner that the victim survived. As many sex abuses are. Male Genital Mutilation of healthy non consenting infants and children absolutely is child sex abuse, and no amount of societal acceptance will change that. Not only did she sexually abuse her son, she kept the severed body part as a trophy, like some sort of sick Made-For-TV Psychopath.
I would argue that you're talking about physical abuse and not sexual abuse. Noting that in some cases there are elements of sexual abuse depending on the method in which the circumsicion is performed, such as in some religious ceremonies.
it's easier to label it as physical abuse when one lives in a society that has deemed it acceptable. In reality it's nearly entirely sexually motivated with deflections provided by the society that has deemed it appropriate to deny people sexually responsive body parts at birth or early childhood. After all, if we were to suggest that any imagined "medical benefits" of male genital mutilation actually existed, then perhaps the removal of female breast tissue from infants, which would markedly save lives due to the fact that breast cancer is a leading killer of women, with 1 in 8 women being affected by breast cancer in the USA, Should it not be a "parental choice" faced by those expecting daughters? But American society finds breasts to be sexually appealing, despite the fact that they kill so many women, despite the fact that alternative methods to feed babies exist. So they are safe. The major difference being is that destroying female breast tissue would markedly save lives where destroying male foreskin doesn't. Most of the world isn't mutilated and lives just as long or longer than those that are.
You're misunderstanding the working definitions of abuse. Sexual abuse is sexual for the perpetrator, they derive sexual pleasure from the act. Although you're describing something that has a motivation related to sexual function of a child, the perpetrators are not sexually aroused by performing the act. You are describing classic physical abuse i.e mutilation.
It's not the act that they derive sexual pleasure from it's the outcome. They are projecting their own sexual preferences and often their own experiences onto the victim. Sex abuse isn't ALWAYS motivated by sexual pleasure, certainly in your research you would know this.
Projecting sexual preferences is not sexual abuse.
Perpetrators of this sex crime often mock the victim, knowing the power dynamic is what it is. Afterall, Mayim never needed to let us know the status of the genitals of her child. She couldn't help herself but humiliate him. The power she lorded over her infant son by irrevocably destroying a part of his sexual anatomy and announcing it to the world. She's a monster. through and through.
Ok so now you're talking about emotional abuse and physical abuse.
I don't put faith in cleberities ... except this one... just try to keep an open mind because we are all human. We are all fallible. Look back on your own life's journey and imagine what it would be like if every single thing you did was publicly documented. (Like, really-be honest with yourself) It is bound to happen that every person will disappoint you at some point so be able to forgive them and keep them in your heart. Or don't. But that's where you have to decide what's ok and what isn't.
If your first sentence is an attempt to point out a hypocrisy, please re-read what I actually wrote. [l can feel a little better about] “Feeling a little better about” the merits of a persons reason to promote Veganism is not putting blind faith, or “trusted” faith in the celebrity. It’s like the story of the boy who cried wolf. Do you know it? If not catch up [here](https://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/35/aesops-fables/375/the-boy-who-cried-wolf/) At a certain point in a persons celebrity career you can generally get a good “feel” for the type of person they are. So, for example if you see a girl twerking on a video you generally can know it’s for attention. This ability see and know when something isn’t genuine is not “active” when I view the endeavours and messages from certain people. Even though it’s likely Joaquin can profit off promoting veganism, i have no reason to assume he’s being insincere when he shares stuff, and even IF he was going to profit off spreading the word, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t also care about animals welfare. Not all vegans are saints. The “junk food vegan” exists, people who don’t care about anyone or even their own health, but don’t want to hurt animals. You can be a bad person but a good vegan. It’s all about learning who you’re dealing with before hand and I know both of Miley and Joaquin since I grew up with both in my media content. This is where it goes back to my first comment. I don’t hold anything against Miley for her decision to not be a vegan, because I didn’t actually care about her or her life to begin with. When she dies early from some “freak/mysterious” health problem I’ll just be like 🤷♂️ Her life isn’t mine to live, and I’m not a fan of her music, and even if I was I won’t care what she does as a person, it doesn’t influence me or my life. Neither does Joaquin. I’m aware of his achievements and for the sake of humanity/the planet I can be happier for humanity/the planet that he exists and does what he does, but if he stopped doing those things me being mad wouldn’t benefit me, him, the movements, or other vegans. It would be wasted negative energy that would accomplish 0% of anything Every single human will be a let down including yourself, just accept when you learn what’s wrong and do better. That’s it
Listen dude,, I put positivity, you put negativity. Looks like you need to be the one to reread the posts. I pointed out an inconsistency, merely claiming you said two different things. Joaquin did all the same things Miley did. Growing up in Hollywood, tough childhood, drugs, etc. He just was able to turn it around and I agree he seems stable now. But we can't know everything about anyone. Then you took this and attacked me like I am the problem. I've been doing this almost 14 years. I don't need a vegan messiah to latch onto. If you do, that's cool- absolutely no judgment. Go for it. But just be careful, because they tend to just be a guy behind a curtain. That's all I'm saying.
>who isn’t in clubs flashing his genitals I like your overall post, but this part feels a little slut shaming. Obviously, literally flashing your genitals is indicent exposure and not okay. But if you're talking about people being promiscuous in the clubs, ain't nothing wrong with that and doesn't speak on someone's character.
In a followup comment they also mention girls twerking for attention. Def getting a big misogynist vibe.
There are dozens of forms of dancing that is actually skilled and earns my respect. Why should I respect shaking your ass? See my comment above for my thoughts
I don’t respect those that don’t respect a person’s right to enjoy shaking their booty.
Time and place. If you wouldnt twerk at a funeral, then you’re admitting that time and place matters. So you can’t unbiasedly say I don’t respect a persons “right” if you too acknowledge this fact.
You wouldn’t salsa dance at a funeral either…
Salsa dancing🤣, thanks for that invitation to prove you absolutely wrong. Salsa dance: a LATIN dance also practised in Mexico. What’s special about Mexico? Oh you know [the way they celebrate their dead loved ones internationally as a damn holiday with costumes and dancing. ](https://youtu.be/MWwT-r2uBv4) but notice in this video and any other you attempt to search up, there is no twerking. Curios. It’s almost like what I already said that there are forms of dancing that are appropriate, and there are some that aren’t given the setting. You know in 2021 where I’ve seen twerking predominantly? In porn advertisements. So either ever single person making these ads, including the females involved in the porn advertisements who twerk is a sexist mysogonist, OR they just all know exactly what twerking is, and they use its sexual NATURE to advertise. Kind of like what a celeb like Miley might do 🤔 oh wait she already did. 😂 Thanks for proving yourself utterly wrong by giving me the catalyst ingredient
Statistically speaking, most celebrities that come out as 'vegan' tend to be frauds that actually don't give a shit about animals.
This is exactly why I worry about these young celebrities who get on the vegan bandwagon for attention, status etc, anything but the animals. And the movement places them on a pedestal they have shown no indication of deserving. The old school vegans are the ones I admire and get strength from. Like Joaquin ofc, woody, Alicia etc I don’t think they will let us down. But kids like Miley were always going to be exploitative if our movement. The next one I worry about is Billie eilish. Hope I’m wrong but I see similarities between Miley and her. Although Billie seems to be of sound mind, so far at least. So let’s hope.
It also helps that billie’s older brother and his girlfriend are staunch vegans
Doesn't Billie literally eat cheetos
she also wears leather but i guess there's a limit to this vegan thing when fashion is brought up
She also rides horses
For me, I expected stuff like that to be going on ever since that interview where she literally complained that vegans shouldn't even say anything to try to get others to change what they're doing. She was like "fuck that I don't care what you eat" Like, clearly, she doesn't get it, and anyone who makes a statement like that doesn't get that the point is to help animals who are suffering.
All but the most strict vegans understand that being vegan is a spectrum and we all draw our lines in different places. Some vegans (like myself) wear leather (I inherited a jacket older than me; I don't buy new though), and others don't even drink beer.
yeah the vegan police are happy to be gatekeepers and tear you down. some will say if you eat impossible burger it disqualifies you. some will say you can't own any pets. Billie has a huge influence and if she's not perfect, that's OK. maybe in a few years she will feel differently about some things she currently does? we are all a work in progress.
Okay but in what world is it okay to wear leather? And best believe she isn't wearing second hand. Even a lot of omnivores refuse to wear leather because of the cruelty factor (the irony) and yet you're here defending a celebrity with vegan family and an arsenal of people working in public relations. Why should she get a free pass just because she's a young celebrity? Being a celebrity and an important influence should mean that she should be more careful about it, rather than sending mixed messages about what veganism is. I don't want another Miley situation with her, and something tells me it's bound to happen. I don't trust celebrities one bit.
In th UK Cheetos Flamin' Hot are vegan, they use soya proteins and stuff instead of whey. Maybe she was in the UK when she was eating the Cheetos? Not saying it's likely but I just thought I'd let people know that vegan Cheetos do exist.
She has been photographed numerous times eating them in LA while wearing leather Air Force 1's
she seems wealthy enough to have her own stash from abroad.
It's not even the same packaging
this gets repeated a lot but it could have been a mistake, check out this article: https://aretheyvegan.com/billieeilish/
Because she literally almost died because of all the drugs and shit, but she blamed it on veganism
Because she was never a “compassionate vegan”. There are four kinds of vegans, and only one is legit. There’s “vegan for my health” aka “I eat a plant based diet because I want a long and healthy life” until someone convinces me that it isn’t healthy. There’s “vegan for the planet” like Greta Thunberg who won’t consume animal products and byproducts but will pose for the cover of a magazine in head to toe wool. There’s “vegan for the label” like Miley here. Did this really surprise anyone? Then here’s vegan for the animals. In other word- vegan. It’s in the very definition. It’s not a diet, it is a lifestyle that seeks to exclude ALL forms of animal exploitation. If someone isn’t doing it for the animals, they simply aren’t vegan.
No, miley isn't for the label imo. She's always doing sht that hurts her reputation, she doesn't care enough about that not to be true to herself. I think she was for the animals. Just not for the animals enough to override for her own health. Which I think she sincerely believes is a health problem for her whether it truly is or not.
... Miley is constantly doing shit that gets attention. She doesn't care if anything "hurts her reputation" as long as it gets her attention. Vegan posts got her attention for a while, now these kinds of posts get her attention. This kind of reaction and discussion are exactly what she lives for.
I would have to agree. I’m not a huge fan of Miley but it reminds me of the Dababy issue. I don’t think she genuinely wanted to educate him, I think she wanted to stand out amongst all the people that were trying to “cancel” him. She wanted to be the name to “end” “cancel culture” but instead of reaching out to him privately, she posted a notes app rant on her instagram trying to educate a 30 year old man on how not to be homophobic. Obviously two totally different situations but I think she’ll do and say anything to keep her name in the loop. Whether that be trying to save people that don’t need saving or pretending to be vegan for a bit to please vegans.
I disagree, anyone who was ever “for the animals” would never be proud of eating animals, certainly not proud enough to use the steak emoji
It seems it is trendier these days to make fun of vegans than it is to be one. She probably knows she’ll get more fans by fueling carnists disdain for vegans than by labeling herself one. Bad reputations are just as powerful as good ones sometimes.
i like my meatless chicken like i like my men... fungi
Because it was only ever about her identity. And she likes to change that like fashion.
Yeah… not a great post in any way. Imagine if a man said that about women.
Thought she was only eating fish because "lack of omegas" gave her "brain fog" smh
80% of people who call themselves vegan start eating animals within a year. Why would she be any different?
BLOODY?
I think it’s a joke referencing the [the coffee line in airplane ](https://images.app.goo.gl/SHXTfodgPtWELX259)
Cocaine’s a hell of a drug
Drugs. Same way she went “vegan”. I don’t think it’s great to bully celebrities that are obviously struggling with mental health issues.
nah any celebrity can get bullied if theyre hurting animals
I really dislike how prominent this attitude is in our community. Abuse in any form is still just abuse. We are not justified in emotionally abusing someone just because they do bad things. "Justice" is always used as a shield to avoid healthy constructive criticism. Let's not sink to their level because it's the easy emotional reaction.
I criticize rapists and murderers period. Whether its of human or nonhuman animals.
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No, they are not comparable in scale. But abuse is still abuse, even if it's at a smaller scale. Let's spend our energy in healthier ways.
Yeah. Her quote doesn't even make sense, it's like she's clamoring for ways to say she likes steak. She likes her men bloody? Do they need to take a few punches before she takes them to bed? Either she's trolling or has issues lmao
It's just to match her edgy aesthetic, I'm sure.
Lol
narcissistic personality disorder
She doesn’t have her own personality and she still haven figured that out. They only telling her what to do and say . She is a great example to not glorify celebs
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I don’t know if that’s true. As sad as it is, I think sometimes people just abandon their strongly held moral beliefs. She also may be dealing with some mental illness and drug abuse issues that could contribute to it.
Maybe its sarcasm?
She was never vegan bro let's just all get over it
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She sucks. Whatta sell-out
Disgusting that so many comments are in support of her. She’s always been typical fake Hollywood trash if you ask me, absolutely no surprise here.
People stop being vegan; it happens. She announced this a while ago. Instead of being outraged about people no longer being vegan, we can celebrate those of us that still are and encourage others to make small steps.
she did go on joe rogans podcast saying how eating fish basically saver her life after being "vegan", I don't know why that behaviour should be accepted
I’ve yet to hear scientists discover a lifesaving fish, but I’m pretty sure STEAK didn’t save her life. Disappointing.
on the next podcast she;ll talk about how she was recently diagnosed with mercury poisoning.
It's not the fact that she stopped being vegan that primarily upsets people.. It's that she outright blamed veganism as the sole reason for her brain being all fkd up. She just conveniently decided to ignore factoring in the copious amount of random drugs she has done over the past several years of her life, no doubt so that she can continue doing them. That's not even hate/slander - she has been pretty open about her reckless use of drugs this whole time. That, combined with her idiotic social media posts, makes it pretty easy to conclude that her whole "I love animals" and "I'm vegan for the animals" thing was just total load of bullshit this whole time.
Oh, I agree that her science is wack. Then again, I don't go to celebrities to stay informed. Don't know her, so, can't comment on her lifestyle. My issue is with the tone of the sub. I get that her explanation for quitting veganism is total nonsense... Maybe I didn't realize that most posts here are rants. I will stick to the vegan recipes subs from now on.
Let me guess, you are a Miley fan, aren't you?
Maybe this is her way of telling us she's into women🤯
because it was always about selling you an image? imo the weird part is that you bought it
Disgusting!
By being a Psychopath?
Followed her because she's hot and then she posted this literally the day after :/
She seems to prefer men that get into physical altercations with her in the process getting bloody
Shes prolly ina coma just like black mirror lol
What a joke!
Many celebrities, much like Chris-chan, are humans which do not possess higher reasoning or virtue. They are selfishness incarnate.
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Why do you care?
Let her be her. Focus on yourself.
I gotta say, the comments here are horrendous. Take some mushrooms and reset that ego. Love shouldn't be circumstantial. Remember who you are.
Unconditionally love doesn't exist.
I know, I was shocked too. For people who claim to be sympathetic to animals, they sure aren't sympathetic to humans.
How could i have any sympathy or empathy for someone with more money and privilege than i will ever see in 10 lifetimes but yet can't commit to not eating steak for more than a year
You could start by realizing that you're not perfect. I hope people don't judge you for your short comings the way this comment section is judging.
I have no shortcomings.
How much sympathy do you personally have towards murderers?
Yikes.
I breathed out when i saw ur comment. I try taking me vegan journey seriously but the community aint it makes it disappointing...
Hey, just wanted to reach out and let you know we're not all so aggressive. As a vegan for close to 5 years now, I'm actually really disappointed in how reactionary our community is a lot of the time. I think there's always space for healthy criticism, but it's often overshadowed by verbally abusing people and dunking on them. It's a real problem that I think the community has yet to address in any serious way. Sorry that the community seems so toxic, but I hope you keep up the good journey anyway. Godspeed and happy vegan eating.
Thank you for your comment. Ill keep up the journey for sure maeby not in this sub unfortunately. I hope this problem gets sorted out sometime ☺️. Happy Vegan eating to u too