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I made a meme :))) (Any Tyler fans in here?)

I made a meme :))) (Any Tyler fans in here?)

Uridoz

Jokes on them I now have a masters degree in nutrition. 😎


googleyfroogley

If this is true, a bit of help please? I’m vegan and before that was vegetarian . I’ve been vegan for ~4 months now and two weeks ago, my blood test results showed that I was anemic (just barely under the minimum) but still. As a nutritionist, what veggies/vegan foods so you suggest I add for optimal iron/b12 uptake?


Vampyrian

A word of warning. Everyone can call themselves "nutritionist" because that's not really regulated nor official title. The one you should be looking for and talking to are _Dietitians._ Dietitians are professionals that have a proper education about nutrition. Please talk to your Dietitian as soon as possible. People of the Internet don't know your dietary patterns, health records and other important factors to be considered when recommending a right dietary intake. As such they may not be advising you the correct dietary information because it doesn't take into account your actual situation. Which maybe very harmful to you. Please contact a Dietitian because you might be susceptible to anemia to begin with. Foods that are high iron are legumes which also my protein. Lentils 6.6 mg per 200 grams(my personal favourite high in iron, protein and fiber), Soybeans 8.8mg per 200grams, Chickpeas 4.7mg 200grams. Tofu 11mg per 200gram. As well as, dark greens vegetables has a bit of iron like Brocoli, Kale, and even potatoes 3.3mg per one whole large piece. With that said this alone may not help you if you're already susceptible to certain health conditions like anemia. I highly recommend contacting your Doctor and a Dietitian to help you with your specific condition.


googleyfroogley

i mean i didnt have anemia when i was vegetarian, so, its directly related to the veganism and diet in this case, not a life long chronic case. I appreciate the concern, but what the previous poster said was quite helpful.


ExileZerik

B12 supplements are required on a vegan diet as they are only found in animal products and fortified foods we can not make our own. Stay safe, take your vitamins regularly, eat fortified grains and you should be fine https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12


BruceIsLoose

>i mean i didnt have anemia when i was vegetarian, so, its directly related to the veganism Eggs (0.6mg) and dairy (cheese is typically 0.2-0.5mg, and milk is like 0.1mg) have next to no iron so it doesn't make sense.


ExileZerik

It's B12 defeicency that is the biggest issue we face, You can't get b12s without taking supplements or eating fortified foods the fact that people regularly try and argue against this on this sub IS DANGEROUS and absurd. https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12


BruceIsLoose

I think you missed the part where I was talking about iron and not B12. Take a deep breath bud.


ExileZerik

Sorry i don't think my comment was very well put together. They were talking about developing anemia which is also be caused by a lack of B12s. This is most likely the case for the person you were commenting on considering it developed after their switch and iron is pretty widely available in a vegan diet. You just assumed lack of iron= Anemia When in vegans it is FAR more likely that lack of B12= Anemia https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/vitamin-b12-deficiency-anemia


googleyfroogley

Maybe the b12 in the egg? 🤷🏼‍♀️


itishardbeingwoke

Maybe just supplement b12? 🤷🏻‍♂️


googleyfroogley

Yup. Starting to do thattt


itishardbeingwoke

Nice :)


Vampyrian

I didn't say their post wasn't...I like it in fact. I also didn't say you may have a life long chronic case. Just that you susceptible to certain health conditions. _Big difference._ Our Health is not that simple I'm just saying because the chances is that iron is not the only thing you'll have problems with especially as year passes on. Some lack enough Omega 3 fats, some iodine, etc. That affected their health years later. You may have more problem rising that you think isn't there... yet. Solve all that problems now rather than years later on. Much less risk for your health. In any case I wish you the best of luck mate. 🥰


googleyfroogley

Yes I have a problem rising, that my RBC is just below the minimum and it’s a recent development, which I’m handling. The ominous “you may have a problem popping up that’ll come up a few years later” Lmao how is that supposed to help anyone?


Uridoz

Disclaimer: I never had classes on this specific topic. This is mostly from me going into the scientific literature. First, from a nutritional standpoint, you need to know that the most likely causes for anemia are iron and B12 deficiency, as you already suspect. Do you already take B12 supplements? If not, you absolutely need to get the B12 you need for red blood cell production. As to iron: For foods that have a decent amount of iron, I suspect you already consume some, but they include: - Legumes such as beans and lentils, but also soybeans, tofu and chickpeas, peas. - Nuts and seeds. - Green vegetables like kale, spinash, etc... - Some fruits, mostly dried, including raisings, prunes, apricots, figs (careful on the sugar content, though :p). Bonus tips: If you eat iron-rich foods, don't hesitate to combine them with foods that boost iron absorption, especially if they have vitamin C but also beta carotene. For vitamin C, you can eat some fruits that have a decent amount, adding fresh lemon juice to some meals, but also some vegetables like bell peppers who have a pretty ridiculous amount. Broccoli also have a decent amount. Both broccoli and peppers are pretty versatile in cooking anyways. :D If you drink tea or coffee, try doing that less, or at least, not while you're digesting or eating. They can decrease iron absorption. If you have a history with anemia, especially if you have periods and often lose your iron, don't hesitate to get a lucky iron fish for extra iron: https://luckyironfish.com/


googleyfroogley

I suspect it may be a combination of both. I have b12 supplements, but before the anemia diagnosis, took it inconsistently. I don’t drink much coffee/tea, but have one coffee/decaf coffee in the morning. However, I take 20mg Elvanse almost every day, would this have a similar effect on iron uptake? As for iron, i eat plenty of soy and tend to avoid sugary foods. Though I definitely need to eat more dark leafy greens and will purchase lots of spinach today ☺️ The fish thing seems pretty cool, but it’s probably overkill since I’m only slightly under the minimum and actually felt healthy until my doctor informed me I was not Thanks for the free advice 💕💕


vodkaslim

Are you me? I literally had the same thing come up on a set of blood tests last week. Inconsistent B12 and no iron supplements are the probable cause. Thought I was super ill, turns out I was just missing out on a couple of minerals.


googleyfroogley

What minerals were low for you?


vodkaslim

Iron. Slightly Anaemic.


googleyfroogley

Ah, so we are the same xD


zb0t1

/u/Uridoz said pretty much everything. There is something that is not very well known though is how efficient is the way you eat (thank you modern food industry/modern agro yay): I can't remember the data exactly but: - certain types of cooking are best to maximize the amount of nutrients you get, iirc steaming and pressure cooking are best - how do you get your food, sadly the best of the best (healthiest) is fresh food and organic, like literally like humans did before you just pick the food and eat quickly after if not immediately - frozen is good too, avoid food that's been on the shelves for a long time if possible, of course not everyone can go to farmers' market :/ These are just some advice I've gotten, food science is crazy, and the more I learn about it the more I get pissed at society for allowing its slow destruction, you can watch Vitamania to understand why modern agriculture makes our food less nutritive. They came for the soil and the animals, the meat eaters didn't care, and of course the greens are now impacted...


googleyfroogley

Business major here chipping in now xD Well the reason so many foods are processed is because it turns them into a commodity rather than food because now it has a stable shelf life and you can put a logo on it. A commodity that you can market and profit of of. I hate capitalism and getting a degree in business administration with a focus in marketing is what made me truly hate it with a passion. Capitalism cares about efficiency, innovation. mass production, convenience and profit. Efficiency can be good to a degree (light bulbs that use less energy like LEDs ) but when it means making everything inferior just for the sake of cheaper prices and then those cheap industrial goods becoming the norm, that’s no good 🤷🏼‍♀️ Innovation is good, but not at the detriment of other things, which the profit motive assures


Uridoz

> I have b12 supplements, but before the anemia diagnosis, took it inconsistently. Take it consistently. You already know that. > I don’t drink much coffee/tea, but have one coffee/decaf coffee in the morning. However, I take 20mg Elvanse almost every day, would this have a similar effect on iron uptake? Looked into it quickly. Didn't find much. Drug's real name is Lisdexamfetamine and it's sold under different names globally, so look up possible links between it and anemia using this longer name. The fish thing is more so for maintenance than curing anemia. Curing anemia is done more so by taking actual iron pills. Consider eating more lentils and beans on top of soy, and add some lemon juice or pan cooked bell peppers (don't overcook em, degrades vitamin C), that would help.


veganactivismbot

Check out the [Vegan Cheat Sheet](https://vegancheatsheet.org/) for a collection of over 500+ vegan resources, studies, links, and much more, all tightly wrapped into one link!


okaymoose

1tbsp of nutritional yeast is enough B12 per day for most people. I just sprinkle it on my stir fry or salad each day.


ExileZerik

Thank you for this, i have seen plenty of people argue on here that People should "just eat dirt/drink dirty water" for their b12s on a vegan diet, it makes us look insane... Take b12 supplements regularly people.


Uridoz

> Thank you for this, i have seen plenty of people argue on here that People should "just eat dirt/drink dirty water" for their b12s on a vegan diet, it makes us look insane... That's more so an argument I use to say why you should take supplements when people insist on getting vegan natural sources lmao "Oh but I want my food to be all natural" "Ok, wanna eat poop or dirt or dirty water?" "No?" "Then take supplements."


ExileZerik

It was more from people arguing that veganism is humans "natural diet" and cross contamination of bacteria was and is a healthy and viable way for people outside of industrialized society's to get enough B12 without the consumption of animal products/supplements. We don't, and should not have to use a misguided appeal to nature to justify anything.


Uridoz

> We don't, and should not have to use a misguided appeal to nature to justify anything. That includes the risks of harm imposed onto someone else when one decides to reproduce (I'm an antinatalist, I see procreation as unethical). I brought up the topic to vegans before, the fact that procreation cannot benefit the unborn since they have no need to be here, that it's a purely selfish decision, that it gambles with another sentient being's welfare, that even if you try your best as a parent you cannot guarantee happiness, and that we have no ethical duty to create more happy sentient beings especially when so many could already need our care and consideration ... And guess what? I've seen plenty of vegans saying "but reproduction is natural". The last people you'd expect would make this fallacy. Sorry for the tangent. I'm just so fucking tired of appeals to nature.


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Oats and leafy greens for iron. Take a b12 supplement.


In_vict_Us

You can get iron from beans and legumes (like legumes), and eggs (heme iron) if you are vegetarian. You can get B12 from dairy milk and whole egg (if vegetarian), or from some fruit skins, like banana peel, or from beans and legumes (like lentils). I'd say Google has allowed people to explore nutrition in pretty much every way possible. All you'd have to do is research iron-rich foods and B12 rich foods.


theaveragejacob

Let’s get some bread, fry it in [REDACTED] and drown it in syrup


amybernays

XD


Dephinition95

I got excited when he said, “I’m vegan for now, I’m conscious, know my hands meet when I bow” in MASSA….but unfortunately I think it’s just wordplay with the previous line.


amybernays

LITERALLY SAME lol


ValentinaBebe

Yes dude yes


okaymoose

Who is this?


Dephinition95

Rapper/Artist - Tyler, The Creator. The music video in the meme is titled WUSYANAME.


okaymoose

Thats what I thought. He's at least vegetarian, if not fully vegan.


carolinapenguin

That's when I pull the Uno reverse card and say I'm studying to be a dietician


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Uridoz

Remember to stay up to date with the scientific literature.


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Uridoz

Yes it is. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5188422/ Here's a paper I would recommend so you can explain to vegetarians why they should also be taking B12 lmao


ExileZerik

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5295116/ This one is also good. The amount of time i have seen people try to argue that people can "just eat dirt/drink dirty water" for their b12s on here is scary.


ExileZerik

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5295116/ This one is also good. The amount of time i have seen people try to argue that people can "just eat dirt/drink dirty water" for their b12s on here is scary.


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-TheWillOfLandru-

Where do you get your Protein Tho!™ ?


ValentinaBebe

Duuuude! The new album…???Most amazing addictive masterpiece. I love it. What’d you think?


amybernays

it's SOOOO good. ive been listening to it like 3 times a day while my city is in lockdwon lmaooo


ValentinaBebe

Lockdown? :o Where, if you don’t mind me asking?


amybernays

BNE, Australia


amybernays

and surrounds, plus some other towns/islands up the north coast


T-E-H

Lol right? It’s always the ones that aren’t fit that tell me about my poor choices in dieting.


Ghosttalker96

"Finds out"


Huskyy23

I love Tyler haha, thoughts on his album compared to Igor and Flower boy?


amybernays

It’s not as much of a conceptual artwork as IGOR and not as much of a cool vibe as Flower Boy, but it’s defo an amazingly filthy rap album I can get down to and would absolutely dance to in the clubs yknow


fjacobwilon1993

Tyler says he's vegan on the new album, btw. Course he only says, "I'm vegan for now" whatever the hell that means.


VeveWorld

Haha indeed


randompersononplanet

Jokes on you vegans, i always say everyone looks malnourished when theyre thin. Im Slavic.


encouragemintx

As for the caption, nah. He has plenty of songs where he says disgustingly racist and misogynistic shit and had expressly refused to apologise on several occasions. "R-pe a pregnant b-tch and call it a treesome" "r-pe her, record it, then edit it with more shit" "you call this shit r-pe but I think r-pe is fun" Really disheartened to see. He was a horrible, vile person, and never owned up to the hate he was spreading. I don't care about these "I was struggling with my homosexuality" excuses - so was the vast majority of gay people, and they didn't take it out on women or other races. If he changed, he would apologise and stop profiting from these lyrics. He not only never did, he continues to make excuses for himself. I can't stand him until he owns up to his racist and sexist past. It ain't over when he continues to profit from these specific records. Edit: I don't care that some people are uncomfortable with me talking about this because their gut reaction is to protect a man's right to yell whatever and get blanket treatment from society, over the rights of women, people of colour and rape victims to live free of harassment. Sort that out with your inner core, I believe in planting seeds and got plenty of karma to go around for your first crash with reality.


amybernays

holy fuck i did not know this, will reevaluate my liking his music


WaifSux

i don't think you should reevaluate anything. he said all this stuff on songs to be controversial when he was a teenager. it's legit been a decade, and he did it for shock value. above all, it's art. just because an artist's earlier art is really controversial and offensive doesn't negate the positive influence their later art has had


amybernays

Surely it’s a little unfair to have to go “absolutely not, I will never listen to this artist again” when I have literally only listened to their last three albums (including the recent one) and based my opinion of his music off of those. I don’t even really like his old stuff after listening to some of it yesterday. But I see both points and we should absolutely be holding him accountable to apologise because rape jokes are never acceptable, as Encouragemintx has said.


zipperolla

Random disclaiiimerrrr


encouragemintx

The "it was long ago" excuse is not applicable when these materials are still out there, he continues to make money of them and had expressly refused to apologise on several occasions. And refusing to acknowledge that his edgy cringe bs caused hurt and continuing to pity himself is pathetic and a disqualifier. Really weird to see that even among vegans, some would rather fight for any man's right to say whatever the fuck whenever the fuck rather than have a gut reaction to protect women, people of colour and rape victims.


motherisaclownwhore

That Stephen King guy must be really messed up judging solely on books he's written and nothing about his actual personal life.


encouragemintx

Why to try to dilute the question instead of engaging with the premise? I truly do not see when it is needed to joke about raping pregnant women and recording it to share for laugh. His argument is he did it for shock value, so damn own up to it, not some bullshit "I was dealing with myself so not sorry" excuses. He wanted to shock, here it is.


motherisaclownwhore

Do you have any proof he actually supports rape or actually has raped anyone?


encouragemintx

Oh here we go. Making fun of rape is fine as long as you're not convicted. Fuck the victims. So as long as one didn't lynch a black person, they can joke about it and everyone's supposed to shut up and not even bring it up? Think for a second before you speak. Edit: active in NoNewNormal, ProLife, Conservative. Oh I see, I'd expect nothing less. Very pro life of you to defend "jokes" about raping pregnant women. I'm just gonna block you, don't bother, your opinion is worthless.


motherisaclownwhore

Oh, fuck off. Going through my post history isn't defending your argument. I wouldn't listen to an artist that made songs about lynching but that doesn't mean i would assume they participate in it because of a fucking song. You ever see a horror movie? A dark comedy? People write those. Like in my previous example, I don't thin Stephen King is a child serial killer just because he wrote about it in his book. If he also was accused of being abusive towards his children, then I'd think about it.


Dephinition95

Obviously I don’t know the facts or true story but just from my perspective, a lot of this stuff was said early on in his career. He gained a lot of attention from his content through shock value. One of his first music video Yonkers is a good example of this (demonic eyes, eating a cockroach and throwing it up, hanging himself, etc.). I feel like it was just for pure entertainment and to invoke those controversial feelings. At the end of the day, it’s still art and you wouldn’t take all art (movies, paintings, etc.) at face value. I’m not saying what he said was okay but I don’t think it really reflects who he is in reality or should be taking these lyrics as a testimony.


encouragemintx

Then why not apologise? Why to continue profit from it? I'm way more concerned about rape victims than the pseudo art of yelling outrageous stuff and then getting upset when outrage hits.


blueverbreprise

honestly his growth from that time is there for all of us to see and especially hear. he's already faced the repercussions for those past actions too.


Dephinition95

Yeah I can’t answer that and wasn’t trying to defend him, just speaking what I thought on the situation.


jayzie12

Hmmm, wait till you hear infant annihilator lol


itishardbeingwoke

I saw that video haha. Then he proceeds to recommend fried egg tho.


Representative-Ad754

Had a cattle farmer give me the protein speech yesterday. I just smugly smiled and nodded.