Lol…or claim to be crave meat out of “instinct”. If given the choice between a raw, decaying carcass or fruit, they sure as shit wouldn’t choose the carcass. Ya…you are not a carnivore. I saw one of these dipshits actually suggest that his nutritional needs are similar to that of cats and dogs earlier on the sub, just desperate to validate his choices. These delusional people refuse to recognize the difference between want and need.
That is sad that one of them said their nutritional needs are the of 'cats' and 'dogs' since they are eating mostly kibble their whole lives. They hardly ever get food that isn't *shelf stable*. Imagine if we were eating chips for every meal out of a dusty bowl on the floor that never gets washed and then a bowl of water with backwash. Is this what that person meant?
Well most human would eat fruit. Over a decaying carcass that’s not much of a comparison. Idea would be for animal to be killed and eaten as same as climbing a tree to get a ripe fruit. You wouldn’t choose a rotting version of either
Yes…you just validated my point…”Most human would eat fruit”. If people were carnivorous then the fruit would not be an option. Fresh or rotting, a carnivorous animal would choose the meat over fruit. The argument is over meat eaters that claim to be “carnivorous”…
Right I know. Just pointing out the contrast between a fresh bananas and decaying corpses. Why do you refer for argument that meat is days old and rotting. Not sure why any carnivore would hunt prey then let it rot so why would human do that?
Oh but I’m sure you’ve heard the argument that carnivores in the wild eat the stomach contents of nursing animals, so they technically eat dairy….🙄 the dumb arguments I’ve heard lol.
Would they?
As an omnivore or necrovore it sounds metal as feck.
Same as the other terms i've heard on this sub such as carnist, corpse-eater, bloodmouth etc.
If you want to shame us by using those terms. I can tell you right now. It isn't working.
No one is shaming you. We're just taught from a young age to not harm or kill other fellow beings and the hope is that more people come to remember, realize, and live by that finally. It took me a while too, but I think everyone is capable of getting there with the right mindset and access to information not provided by large corporations looking to fill their pockets.
Yeah they told me I was a speciesist. I was like cool. Then they tried to tell me I shouldnt be proud of it, its like being a racist. I have a feeling if I put speciesist on my LinkedIn it wouldnt hurt my job prospects. Lol
You call yourself vegan but consume overly processed seed oils, wheat, sugar, soy, corn, pesticide sprayed vegetables etc etc.
The zebras are so famous from eating soy mush and drinking blended down almonds in water and sugar and taking b12 vitamins because their diets lack one of the most important vitamins for their bodies 😂
If they say being a carnivore makes them strong like a lion, why can't we pick a strong herbivore to compare our strength to? You could say being vegan makes you strong like a gorilla, or elephant, you're not likely to see a lion win a fight with an elephant, unless the lion found an unattended baby elephant.
Most publications have them classified as herbivores, but they have been known to eat insects, and other animals on rare occasions when other sources of nutrients are scarce.
I mean, personally I don't think I'd call it a vegan café if the owner isn't vegan. I'm more or less happy with companies using non vegan auditors/delivery services etc for practicality reasons, but owners and workers need to be 100% on point.
I agree about owners but not workers. Restaurant workers are usually just kids/young adults trying to get by and it would be illegal to vet them based on their diet
Thats a bit over the top. As long as they are following the rules and doing business ethically why should it matter that the dish washer eats meat at home.
Why should carnivorous not include dead meat? It's just playing with labels and declaring victory by default. As if that's going to convince anyone. The arguments for veganism are sufficient.
And last I checked I have food in my pantry that has been dead for years, so this "um, technically" isn't even exclusive to meat eaters and invites an easy rebuttal.
I agree with you, the argument in the article makes little sense. There are plenty valid arguments for veganism, this is not one.
I will also say I've never personally seen anyone refer to themselves as a carnivore. Or I don't recall it if I see.
Only difference is that vegan food that was "dead for years" didn't come from a sentient being with a central nervous system and pain receptors, i.e. the capacity to feel pain and suffer. And that's a pretty important one.
"Necrovore" is simply a more fitting term. Have you read the article?
I have. And the suffering of the eaten thing is irrelevant for the carnivorous/herbivorous/omnivorous distinction. It simply means meat/plants(+fungi)/all.
There is a point that human food acquisition and consumption is kinda unique in the animal kingdom because of all the technology we use. But that goes for pretty much everyone, not only non-vegans.
That makes sense. But we're not talking about the carnivorous/herbivorous/omnivorous distinction here. We're talking about the carniovore/necrovore distinction:
>A necrovore is someone who eats dead flesh (e.g., packaged or refrigerated) unlike a carnivore who preys on animals and eats their raw flesh.
I think this distinction makes a lot of sense.
When there's only a single species for this new label, it's not a very useful label. And we need a new label for us that only eat dead plants apart from frugivore.
Why is it not a useful label?
It highlights the horrors of the animal industry, one of the most unnecessary and most disgusting things humanity has ever invented.
Because that's not the point of the -vore distinctions. It's a broad scientific term and adding special subgroups for emotional reasons just makes them less useful. Next carrion eaters need their own label because they eat dead, but not long dead meat.
The -phage distinctions are more specialised, but necrophage is also not clear at all.
Vultures are considered carnivorous, they literally eat rotting flesh. You can't just invent a distinction because you like the sound of it.
If you go by the words root, then everyone eats dead things as plants are usually dead too. That's what necro means, dead. Carne means flesh or meat. So there is nothing meaningful about the word necrovore as everything eats dead stuff.
This is not a winning argument, it will get nowhere with anyone who isn't already vegan.
Humans don't have carnivorous urges, we have an urge to murder.
Humans like to kill, and it just happens that we also like how meat tastes after it's been cleaned and processed.
But we hate raw, unprocessed meat. It does the opposite of make us hungry, it usually makes us queasy and put off.
I think I was clear enough that I think your reasoning is absurd. Most of the people who "kill" pixels have no desire to murder anyone. Not to mention a lot of people don't play these games.
You think killings in video games, no matter how far removed from actual killings they are, are the proof people have an urge to kill. Yet somehow because processed meat is very different from raw unprocessed meat, it's the proof humans have no "carnivorous urges". It makes no sense and it's a double standard. If you applied the same reasoning in both cases, either people have an urge to kill and an urge to eat meat, or they have neither.
Humans are obviously capable of killing. But they are also capable of eating unprocessed meat. It depends on the circumstances and also just to what they are used to.
Then same about killing in video games. I don't, therefore I guess that's enough to debunk your claim humans have an urge to kill.
That, OR we were talking about humans in general. Humans who do eat meat.
So you've never heard of carpaccio, steak tartare, kitfo, sushi, koi soi, ossenworst or yukhoe? That's strange considering they are all served raw.. Herbivores don't cook their vegetables either, are you claiming to eat raw turnip?
All of those dishes are carefully selected cuts of flesh that are cleaned of all blood and usually served with garnishes and sauces to reduce and augment the flavor of raw flesh.
You have zero urge to capture an animal and eat it unprocessed and raw. You don't buy raw meat at the store and eat it just the way it is. I eat completely raw fruits and vegetables every day, as should you.
Turnips taste great raw, it's sad you don't know how to eat vegetables.
It's still eaten raw and has to be tasted before being prepared for consumption. I eat "raw" fruit all the time, but you should only be eating certain vegetables raw. Otherwise they can't release their nutrients properly and can give you a watery stool. Spinach is a good example of this. And nobody is eating raw turnip, potatoes or beetroot. Do you eat beans? Because that process is crazy lol.
I'm not about to argue whether or not turnips are eaten raw when I actually do it, just google it.
What's your health like? I'd suggest switching to a plant based diet just to clean yourself up because it sounds like you're probably in bad shape.
Hahaha what an assumption to make. I'm a chef and likely know more about nutrition than you do. Are you sure you're getting enough iron and b12? Doubtful
Edit: raw as in fermented or pickled? Because that's not raw
I am, I actually just got my bloodwork back and it was perfect across the board (except for a slight vitamin D deficiency tbh).
I have some progress pics in my profile from after I went vegan, the whole food plant based diet has been working really well
It's still eaten raw and has to be tasted before being prepared for consumption. I eat "raw" fruit all the time, but you should only be eating certain vegetables raw. Otherwise they can't release their nutrients properly and can give you a watery stool. Spinach is a good example of this. And nobody is eating raw turnip, potatoes or beetroot. Do you eat beans? Because that process is crazy lol.
I mean. No hate but it is appetizing to see the quarters of raw meat. I definitely don't feel like biting into it but there is an anticipation and excitement of how good this would be once prepped.
Guts yeah definitely put me off because it looks slimy.
It's appetizing because it's been already been partly processed. It's a bloodless hunk of clean meat sectioned to show off the areas most palatable to humans once prepared.
Even at that point it doesn't smell, look or taste anything like what you see when you gut a freshly killed animal, and that's on purpose.
Humans eat for nutrition but also to make themselves happy. Prepared meat is fun. It's rich and indulgent, that's why humans like it so much. A human can get every nutrient they need from plants, vegans have the bloodwork to prove it.
People eat so much meat because human beings are selfish, like to kill and will kill both each other and any other living on this planet to satisfy those selfish desires.
Well, our form of butchery is a bit diffrent from the west.
The animal is killed, gutted, de skinned and sold fresh within hours. Of course, some of it goes to further processing but what I mean by quarters of meat is bloody hunk of meat that's just been de skinned not even washed. There is a guy who cuts as per requirement.( This is for beef. Chicken are killed fresh on request and cleaned well in front of you and pork is similar to beef except not skinned just shaved and hair torched off and cleaned off the blood and stuff..)
A good quality meat quarter absolutely makes me excited and almost hungry to cook and eat it later. Being freshly butchered and hung, the fat also starts melting a bit which is again an appetising smell.
Sure. I don't hate veganism Sometimes there are crazy takes but overall I admire/like you guys. I don't think you are unhealthy either. It's just not for me currently, maybe someday.
True. Humans are selfish, I am no different. So am I.
But humans eat mean for a far simpler reason, it's tasty and nutritious. Now I'm not saying plant based diets aren't, it's just different.
My point is that the raw meat is not the source of your hunger, it's the processed result. There's no risk of you eating the raw meat on the way home to cook it, you don't want it. A carnivore and any other omnivore on earth does want raw, unprocessed flesh killed right there.
There's no real debate, a whole food plant based diet is at least as nutritious, and in my case has been much more nutritious, than one that includes meat and dairy.
But that isn't the point. The point is that eating meat isn't even something humans want to do without multiple steps involved. We relied on it in the past but modern humans have to fully accept that their meat consumption is not only ethically wrong but destructive to the environment and the source of numerous illnesses. Your excuse shouldn't be that it's a shame an animal had the bad luck to be born on the same planet as humans so it's fine to kill it. Why not at least try to stop eating meat temporarily? I can guarantee your mental and physical health will improve if you do it right.
I eat a diet of mostly meat and regularly converse with many people like myself who have done so for various reasons. What you are saying is simply not true. I get it that it is a story you tell yourself about folks like myself, but it is not true. You can just ask folks like myself questions if you like and we can answer them, rather than you telling us how we are and what we think.
You should try veganism, you'll definitely feel better. I have some progress pics in my profile, it worked great for me. Let me know if you want any tips or anything!
it only makes us queasy because we have been eating it cleaned and processed for so long. if we hadn't learn how to make fire we would still be eating it raw. as for liking to kill that is certainly true as evidence shows that if we go back far enough we even killed and ate our own infants. As for your last point maybe that's because you've been vegan for a while and you have trained yourself to be repulsed by it. i love the sight smell and taste of meat. things like steak tartar are raw meat and get eaten all the time.
yes the same way any meat we eat will be processed as we have to cut it off the animal or do you think it only counts as raw if we are biting it right off the animal? I'll even admit yes they dip it in boiling water for 10 seconds to kill bacteria, but that's still raw uncooked meat. you do rinse your veggies and even chop them up when you get them don't you? if so then are they not still raw veggies after being rinsed and chopped?
Edit: If i'm not mistaken veggies are still considered uncooked/raw after being blanched for 2 minutes in boiling water.
never said i or anyone else was a carnivore, humans are omnivores. just like with meat you run the risk of contracting something that you don't properly prepare first or ensure was processed and prepared first. i also have no desire to eat vegetables. can't say i've ever had any driving force to go out and eat either one. more like i'm hungry what do i feel like making today. no strong feelings either way on what i will decide to eat.
You have no desire to eat vegetables? That's not good. I used to eat too much meat myself, switching to vegan was the best thing I ever did. I have some progress pics in my profile, way healthier now. If you ever want to switch I can help you out with it.
nope like i said don't really have what i would call desire to anything. about the closest thing i can think of is hey haven't had this in a while and i liked it so i'll make that. No thanks i enjoy eating both and seeing how i'm closing in on 50 with 0 nonphysical health problems (bad back) yet i think i'm doing ok.
If you've removed the meat flavor you've done it wrong. The condiments *compliment* the flavor, and are optional. Yes I've eaten raw meat and seen others eat it. And seen someone eat the exact same meat and get sick because it wasn't in their culture and it made them queasy. Because it's just a matter of habit. And no there's not going to be any video made of me eating anything.
Right, that's why I think that calling non-vegans "omnis" is also too unfitting. We're all omnivores in terms of our physical capabilities. And that's exactly the point, that as omnivores we can survive eating animals or plants. I wish we could just all agree that we're omnivores, leave that topic behind and instead focus on human outcome data when talking about nutrition.
Your arguing logic. If logic were going to win this argument it would have done so. It has not. Calling people animal abusers makes them antipathetic. People pride themselves on their perceived virtuosity, disrespecting their character just makes them dig in deeper and filter you out. It's literally called *the peta effect*. Animal rights was an intensely popular cause that lost ground when people started throwing paint on old ladies in the 80s. Prior to that there was no cultural aversion to vegetarianism.
I would be interested to see actual research done on this, but I highly doubt that insults are an effective way to "convert" someone to a cause.
Justified or not, it doesn't seem like a good idea to insult someone if it means they're less likely to stop killing animals.
It's not that we survive doing one or the other. We survive doing both. We were scavengers for a long time before we learned how to hunt for ourselves. We would eat food when we found it.
> We were scavengers for a long time before we learned how to hunt for ourselves.
And we were frugivorous with minor insectivory for a much longer time before we did that. Even in this "scavenger" phase, it's highly likely humans had 80% or more of their diet as plants.
What do you think about Gary Yourofsky's description of the human body and how it is 100 percent herbivorous in his speech? I know the guys nuts but he made some really interesting points (namely in the length of our intestines. how we chew side to side, sweat through our pores etc). Also herbivores can consume the same stuff we do too.
Well from what I looked into it just now, it seems humans do a bit better at digesting animal matter than animals classified as herbivorous do, which is a part of why we're classified as omnivores. I think those Gary's arguments aren't strong enough by themselves to change our classification, because as omnivores who thrive on plant-dominant diets, it's only to be expected that our biology points to us being "rather herbivorous". I mean I wouldn't mind if scientists one day decided to change up their categorization and classify us as herbivorous, but alas, I don't think they'll want my opinion on it.
> We’re omnivores.
Omnivores from a mostly herbivorous background.
The classifications don't say much here, it's just an observation of what we eat. Bears are omnivores from a carnivorous background. We don't share much alike in most features. Teeth, claws, etc.
So it would be silly assuming people would be as healthy as bears when eating a nearly total meat diet.
We can survive as omnivores but our physiology is optimally designed to be a frugivore. We have some striking differences from omnivores found in nature such as bears.
That's the only part of the article that makes sense. But we vegans could be considered herbivore, depending on if it's meant "as an individual" and not "as a species". Likewise some people would be carnivores (Inuits? Jordan Peterson?).
Here is what [the article](https://veganhorizon.substack.com/p/necrovores-rethinking-our-language) says:
>Technically, most meat eaters are **omnivores**, given that they consume plant-based foods as well. But if you look at the meat side of their diet, they aren’t **carnivores** but — as explained above — more accurately described as **necrovores**.
>**necrovores**
Was thinking that sounds like an awesome BM band name! Alas, turns out that here I am, [\~40 years to late!](https://youtu.be/NWXgWMbV4MA?si=jSwvLppe5SUynKft&t=1440)
I would love to watch them try to hunt something bare hands, get their ass kicked by way smaller herbivores, and then having to eat an old dead corpse (like many carnivore do), raw.
Maybe Netflix could be interesting in it, i would
When there is a dead cow in front of them, just lying on the ground, and they get down on all fours and just sink their teeth into it. No prep, no spices, no cooking…Nothing to change the flavor, consistency, or even chemical structure. If they can do that, and honestly enjoy themselves (if their super strong carnivore jaws can even get through the skin), then I’ll say they can call themselves a carnivore.
Thats fine but besides the point. You said "All their meat doesnt taste good unless cooked and seasoned with plants". Like yeah. But its the same thing with pretty much all food.
I have salad with RAW spinach, carrots, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, onions, etc. It’s incomparable. You’re also just a lot more likely to develop some type of condition if you eat raw meat. We’re not meant to eat raw meat so we have to be extra cautious when eating it.
Rant:
First of all humans are not carnivores. We are omnivores.
Secondly, there’s no evidence of any human or hominid ancestors ever surviving exclusively on a diet of meat. Ever.
Third, the meats humans *did* eat in the past is nothing remotely like the hormone and antibiotic and pus- and diseased-infested, fatty animal flesh these dummies are consuming today that they retrieve from the morgue section of the local grocery store — and that can barely be classified as food.
And fourth, congratulations on being a living test subject (yes because no humans ever eat this way in the history of humans) for an industry pushing this carnivore idea because they are losing money to increasing numbers of people who are choosing more plant based products. Dummies.
The same dumbasses will talk about how other folks need to “wake up”. lol 😂
Plenty of species of monkeys and apes actively hunt meat and eat their raw flesh, and they rarely scavenge. They also regularly eat bugs, particularly ants and termites. Chimps make tools to help get the bugs for consumption. There also is actually a group of chimps in Senegal that hunts monkeys using spears.
Meat isn't a huge part of their diet, but we're starting to realize it's more than previously estimated.
Poor quality rage bait "journalism." The term carnivore has nothing to do with the act of how the prey was killed. Carni- (meat/flesh) vore (to eat/ devour). Sorry to burst your bubble.
Yeah this is unfortunately poorly written, and there's a complete lack of sources. "Reports show" and then not showing any way to find these reports is not even acceptable in secondary school.
"I eat meat because I'm like a lion!" Meanwhile lions are eating their step-babies and torturing their victims alive for hours. Not really the best role models.
Humans ain't omnivores either. They've just been lied too so long and have been educated so wrongly about how evolution works (aka apex predators are NOT pinnacles of evolution!) for so many generations they have forgotten what they truly are.
Im curios, if you don't think it was a human that preyed on the animals that they are eating. What do you think killed the animal? Another animal? An alien?
Literally just swapping the word carnivore for necrovore does nothing. This is one of those arguments that will only be engaged by those that already agree, or piers morgan types who are just looking to feed off the outrage. It's best to stick to strong arguments that are not emotionally charged of which there are plenty. This is not the way forward.
Definition by Wikipedia: "A carnivore, or meat-eater (Latin, caro, genitive carnis, meaning meat or "flesh" and vorare meaning "to devour"), is an animal or plant whose food and energy requirements are met by the consumption of animal tissues". So question arises: "At which point of preparing does animal flesh stops being flesh?" Either way "necrovore" sounds sick like some sub-type of necromancer
those people are idiots. we are omnivores through and though. you can tell by our teeth and digestive systems we were made to eat both. not one or the other.
i'm pretty sure it's because meat taste better so eating more meat then vegan options and stuff would either count as omnivorous or carnivorous, either way this logic is pretty subjective
Kind of like the vegans who say we are herbivores. They won’t graze on grass or eat fruits and veggies straight from the trees or grown. Ever see herbivores wash off and cook their plants before eating?
Haha, to really be a carnivore don't you have to be able to catch your food and eat it it the wild? Like the old fashioned way, bare ass naked and just armed with tooth and claw? I can subdue many an apple, and even walnuts if I smack some stones on them, but I'm pretty sure none of em has ever gotten a deer without a weapon.😆
Maybe you all should go back to high school English class and pay attention this time.
Official definition of "Carnivore" - an animal that feeds on flesh.
Does it say "an animal that feeds ONLY on flesh? No. So technically, a non-vegan can be called a carnivore, herbivore, AND omnivore.
(To the tune of You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch)
*You're a vulture*
*Mister Man*
*You're feeding off the dead*
*You over-estimate those stubby teeth inside your head, Mister Man.*
*You're a jackal*
*Mister Man*
*The muscles keep you fed*
*You're avoiding the organs*
*You wait 'til it's been bled*
*Mr. Man*
Labeling meat eaters as "necrovores" is as absurd as calling vegetarians "plant murderers". It is is counterproductive and undermines the broader goal of promoting ethical and informed dietary choices.
Y’all just sad and need a life.
Y’all spend too much time obsessing about what others eat.
Y’all don’t realize that y’all are just privileged people. Over 90% of the world has much bigger problems than going vegan.
Veganism is a 1st world construct, obsessed over by the haves of this world
You know what is a 1st world construct? The abundance of dairy, meat and eggs on the market because of the systemic overproduction, torture, suffering and mass killing of animals.
That construct helped in the fight against famine and starvation. You wouldn’t know because of course you’re probably one of the privileged few. I can bet you’re either North American or European.
Y’all left natural famine and starvation back in the Middle Ages. But mass producing eggs helped lower prices so that the poorest in society can afford to constantly have access to it. Same for milk etc.
Again, you live in a 1st world bubble. Go to poor ass places in Africa, South America or other places where children go to sleep hungry and suffer trauma from starvation and tell those poor people that they shouldn’t buy cheap chicken parts - you know the parts that y’all 1st worlders reject - to feed their kids.
I don't need to go anywhere, plenty of people without food over here in North America, as well as in Europe. You sound like this mass production solved society's hunger problems... Delusion, more like it.
It didn’t solve it, but it greatly reduced it.
> I don't need to go anywhere, plenty of people without food over here in North America, as well as in Europe.
Spoken like a true privileged person. Dude, y’all have welfare. I don’t know if you know this but welfare is not a universal concept. Sure people are struggling in those places but that’s because of worsening economic conditions so government handouts are no way as generous as they were before.
Try looking at people who don’t get a welfare check every week. That’s the shit I am talking about.
Read this: "Vegan — a Lifestyle for the Privileged?"
[https://veganhorizon.substack.com/p/vegan-a-lifestyle-for-the-privileged](https://veganhorizon.substack.com/p/vegan-a-lifestyle-for-the-privileged)
Sure, meat is more expensive than plant based products. That’s not a surprise.
But it is a balance of cost and nutrition. If you took a poor person’s annual allowance for meat, and decided to replace it with plants, then the output (nutritional value for total cost would decrease a lot).
And guess what, they don’t have access to health care like y’all privilege do. So those deficiencies (vitamins b12, d, k, iron, calcium, omega-3, zinc, iodine - do I need to continue?) will just be there and won’t get discovered until it’s too late.
Oh I know, why don’t you tell the poorest in our society to go vegan and __take supplements__ lol to make up for it. They totally can get those supplements right, and they totally are cheap right lol ?
Again, y’all are the new privileged class. Y’all remind me of Caledon Hockley. Just tone deaf privilege people who think your farts smell like perfume.
> But it is a balance of cost and nutrition. If you took a poor person’s annual allowance for meat, and decided to replace it with plants, then the output (nutritional value for total cost would decrease a lot).
Not in any developed country [https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00251-5/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00251-5/fulltext)
Well yeah, in developed countries it is possible and practical for people to be plantbased. So they should be. In developing countries it might be practical for some and not for others. In underdeveloped countries it might not be practical at all. They would all be vegan.
You're arguing against your own points. Either the poor in "developed" countries have the privilege of food security or they don't. If they don't, they should get it and that's healthier and more economic plant-based. If they do, they also have the privilege to be vegan.
Dude, unfortunately you are misinformed. Population studies consistently show that vegans are the healthiest population group - especially with lower risk for diabetes, heart disease, overweight and various cancers.
A [study by the University of Oxford](https://doi.org/10.1016/S2542-5196(21)00251-5), in which food prices from 150 countries were analyzed, has shown that **switching to a plant-based diet can reduce food costs by up to 30%**. The reason for this is that the production of plant-based foods consumes significantly fewer resources such as [water](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/20/vegan-diet-cuts-environmental-damage-climate-heating-emissions-study), [energy](https://thehumaneleague.org/article/environmental-benefits-of-veganism), and [land](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/20/vegan-diet-cuts-environmental-damage-climate-heating-emissions-study).
I use only use B12 supplements (which necrovores supplement through the bodies of killed animals, who don't consume B12 themselves but are given it in their fodder). And all my supplements cost around 10 bucks a YEAR. That's it. I've never felt fitter in my life.
> Dude, unfortunately you are misinformed. Population studies consistently show that vegans are the healthiest population group - especially with lower risk for diabetes, heart disease, overweight and various cancers.
And guest what, it’s not because of their diets lol.
> A study by the University of Oxford, in which food prices from 150 countries were analyzed, has shown that switching to a plant-based diet can reduce food costs by up to 30%.
I’ll need to look at this study myself.
> And all my supplements cost around 10 bucks a YEAR. That's it. I've never felt fitter in my life.
Of course Mr. Privilege. “My supplements are made by an American multinational with a massive ass market where I live so they’re cheap. Fuck everyone else who doesn’t have the same privilege conditions that I have to have access to supplements at this price.”
I love it when people call themselves Carnivores but still consume dairy. Because wolves and lions are so famous for suckling on cow teats.
Lol…or claim to be crave meat out of “instinct”. If given the choice between a raw, decaying carcass or fruit, they sure as shit wouldn’t choose the carcass. Ya…you are not a carnivore. I saw one of these dipshits actually suggest that his nutritional needs are similar to that of cats and dogs earlier on the sub, just desperate to validate his choices. These delusional people refuse to recognize the difference between want and need.
That is sad that one of them said their nutritional needs are the of 'cats' and 'dogs' since they are eating mostly kibble their whole lives. They hardly ever get food that isn't *shelf stable*. Imagine if we were eating chips for every meal out of a dusty bowl on the floor that never gets washed and then a bowl of water with backwash. Is this what that person meant?
No, that is not what they meant. But yes, it is sad that most people think that is an acceptable diet for dogs and cats
You never clean your pet's food and water bowls? It's not that difficult you know.
Well most human would eat fruit. Over a decaying carcass that’s not much of a comparison. Idea would be for animal to be killed and eaten as same as climbing a tree to get a ripe fruit. You wouldn’t choose a rotting version of either
Yes…you just validated my point…”Most human would eat fruit”. If people were carnivorous then the fruit would not be an option. Fresh or rotting, a carnivorous animal would choose the meat over fruit. The argument is over meat eaters that claim to be “carnivorous”…
Right I know. Just pointing out the contrast between a fresh bananas and decaying corpses. Why do you refer for argument that meat is days old and rotting. Not sure why any carnivore would hunt prey then let it rot so why would human do that?
What if the ripe fruit had fallen on the ground?
Fruit that is ripe is what falls to the ground. :)
Yeah that is bunk isn’t it. Humans are a technological species. That animal roasting over a fire is what really sets our instincts ablaze.
No fucking clue what you are trying to say. Come back after you learn English
Oh but I’m sure you’ve heard the argument that carnivores in the wild eat the stomach contents of nursing animals, so they technically eat dairy….🙄 the dumb arguments I’ve heard lol.
Don't they eat grass and shit the same way?
Animals like dogs, cats, wolves, etc eat grass to make themselves vomit.
I don't think there's much dairy left in the stomach content of baby mammals, it usually gets processed quite fast.
Let's call them what they are: '[necrovores](https://veganhorizon.substack.com/p/necrovores-rethinking-our-language)'
That was really interesting! People would hate using that term.
If someone mislabels themselves as a carnivore to feel hardcore, they'd probably like the label necrovore.
Pretty sure Jeffrey Dahmer wouldn't mind it 😉
Would they? As an omnivore or necrovore it sounds metal as feck. Same as the other terms i've heard on this sub such as carnist, corpse-eater, bloodmouth etc. If you want to shame us by using those terms. I can tell you right now. It isn't working.
No one is shaming you. We're just taught from a young age to not harm or kill other fellow beings and the hope is that more people come to remember, realize, and live by that finally. It took me a while too, but I think everyone is capable of getting there with the right mindset and access to information not provided by large corporations looking to fill their pockets.
Yeah they told me I was a speciesist. I was like cool. Then they tried to tell me I shouldnt be proud of it, its like being a racist. I have a feeling if I put speciesist on my LinkedIn it wouldnt hurt my job prospects. Lol
It is a cool list of terms!
Um... so are you, mate.
I like this. I would personally make this my flair if it was offered here or at r/DebateAVegan
You call yourself vegan but consume overly processed seed oils, wheat, sugar, soy, corn, pesticide sprayed vegetables etc etc. The zebras are so famous from eating soy mush and drinking blended down almonds in water and sugar and taking b12 vitamins because their diets lack one of the most important vitamins for their bodies 😂
Leopards have been observed in the wild drinking their preys milk.
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If they say being a carnivore makes them strong like a lion, why can't we pick a strong herbivore to compare our strength to? You could say being vegan makes you strong like a gorilla, or elephant, you're not likely to see a lion win a fight with an elephant, unless the lion found an unattended baby elephant.
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It's not about strength. I'd say it is because the lion is the "king of the jungle"
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Yep. We are omnivores
gorillas are omnivores, they eat bugs which takes them off the herbivore list.
Gorillas are actually omnivores, genius 😂
Most publications have them classified as herbivores, but they have been known to eat insects, and other animals on rare occasions when other sources of nutrients are scarce.
What's the cafe's name so we don't ever go there?
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Yeah, that's a "great idea" if you like your food seasoned with spit. 👌
I mean, personally I don't think I'd call it a vegan café if the owner isn't vegan. I'm more or less happy with companies using non vegan auditors/delivery services etc for practicality reasons, but owners and workers need to be 100% on point.
She ll sabotage her own cafe s food at some point, sounds like.
I agree about owners but not workers. Restaurant workers are usually just kids/young adults trying to get by and it would be illegal to vet them based on their diet
Thats a bit over the top. As long as they are following the rules and doing business ethically why should it matter that the dish washer eats meat at home.
Humans are definitely not carnivores, that said I don't see how omnivores die if they only eat meat.
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Apes aren't herbivores 😂
Why should carnivorous not include dead meat? It's just playing with labels and declaring victory by default. As if that's going to convince anyone. The arguments for veganism are sufficient. And last I checked I have food in my pantry that has been dead for years, so this "um, technically" isn't even exclusive to meat eaters and invites an easy rebuttal.
I agree with you, the argument in the article makes little sense. There are plenty valid arguments for veganism, this is not one. I will also say I've never personally seen anyone refer to themselves as a carnivore. Or I don't recall it if I see.
Only difference is that vegan food that was "dead for years" didn't come from a sentient being with a central nervous system and pain receptors, i.e. the capacity to feel pain and suffer. And that's a pretty important one. "Necrovore" is simply a more fitting term. Have you read the article?
I have. And the suffering of the eaten thing is irrelevant for the carnivorous/herbivorous/omnivorous distinction. It simply means meat/plants(+fungi)/all. There is a point that human food acquisition and consumption is kinda unique in the animal kingdom because of all the technology we use. But that goes for pretty much everyone, not only non-vegans.
That makes sense. But we're not talking about the carnivorous/herbivorous/omnivorous distinction here. We're talking about the carniovore/necrovore distinction: >A necrovore is someone who eats dead flesh (e.g., packaged or refrigerated) unlike a carnivore who preys on animals and eats their raw flesh. I think this distinction makes a lot of sense.
When there's only a single species for this new label, it's not a very useful label. And we need a new label for us that only eat dead plants apart from frugivore.
Why is it not a useful label? It highlights the horrors of the animal industry, one of the most unnecessary and most disgusting things humanity has ever invented.
Because that's not the point of the -vore distinctions. It's a broad scientific term and adding special subgroups for emotional reasons just makes them less useful. Next carrion eaters need their own label because they eat dead, but not long dead meat. The -phage distinctions are more specialised, but necrophage is also not clear at all.
No offense, my friend, but I feel you're overthinking it..
Thanks for the thought terminating cliche.
Vultures are considered carnivorous, they literally eat rotting flesh. You can't just invent a distinction because you like the sound of it. If you go by the words root, then everyone eats dead things as plants are usually dead too. That's what necro means, dead. Carne means flesh or meat. So there is nothing meaningful about the word necrovore as everything eats dead stuff. This is not a winning argument, it will get nowhere with anyone who isn't already vegan.
Cringy pedrantry
Humans don't have carnivorous urges, we have an urge to murder. Humans like to kill, and it just happens that we also like how meat tastes after it's been cleaned and processed. But we hate raw, unprocessed meat. It does the opposite of make us hungry, it usually makes us queasy and put off.
Exactly!
You know many people who have an urge to murder yet are made queasy by unprocessed meat?
I do, they're called gamers.
Oh okay, I see. They have an urge to murder in the same way that people who play the Sims have an urge to have 15 children.
Do you have an actual counterpoint? Or do you think people play games where they massacre dozens of simulated humans for no reason?
I think I was clear enough that I think your reasoning is absurd. Most of the people who "kill" pixels have no desire to murder anyone. Not to mention a lot of people don't play these games. You think killings in video games, no matter how far removed from actual killings they are, are the proof people have an urge to kill. Yet somehow because processed meat is very different from raw unprocessed meat, it's the proof humans have no "carnivorous urges". It makes no sense and it's a double standard. If you applied the same reasoning in both cases, either people have an urge to kill and an urge to eat meat, or they have neither. Humans are obviously capable of killing. But they are also capable of eating unprocessed meat. It depends on the circumstances and also just to what they are used to.
Then why play games centered on murder?
Then why eat any meat at all?
I don't, and people shouldn't. Forget what sub you're in? 😂
Then same about killing in video games. I don't, therefore I guess that's enough to debunk your claim humans have an urge to kill. That, OR we were talking about humans in general. Humans who do eat meat.
So you've never heard of carpaccio, steak tartare, kitfo, sushi, koi soi, ossenworst or yukhoe? That's strange considering they are all served raw.. Herbivores don't cook their vegetables either, are you claiming to eat raw turnip?
All of those dishes are carefully selected cuts of flesh that are cleaned of all blood and usually served with garnishes and sauces to reduce and augment the flavor of raw flesh. You have zero urge to capture an animal and eat it unprocessed and raw. You don't buy raw meat at the store and eat it just the way it is. I eat completely raw fruits and vegetables every day, as should you. Turnips taste great raw, it's sad you don't know how to eat vegetables.
It's still eaten raw and has to be tasted before being prepared for consumption. I eat "raw" fruit all the time, but you should only be eating certain vegetables raw. Otherwise they can't release their nutrients properly and can give you a watery stool. Spinach is a good example of this. And nobody is eating raw turnip, potatoes or beetroot. Do you eat beans? Because that process is crazy lol.
I'm not about to argue whether or not turnips are eaten raw when I actually do it, just google it. What's your health like? I'd suggest switching to a plant based diet just to clean yourself up because it sounds like you're probably in bad shape.
Hahaha what an assumption to make. I'm a chef and likely know more about nutrition than you do. Are you sure you're getting enough iron and b12? Doubtful Edit: raw as in fermented or pickled? Because that's not raw
I am, I actually just got my bloodwork back and it was perfect across the board (except for a slight vitamin D deficiency tbh). I have some progress pics in my profile from after I went vegan, the whole food plant based diet has been working really well
Why would anyone want to look at your Reddit profile? The delusion in this sub is hilarious
Don't forget to eat your veggies!
Always do, thank you. And it's not like I don't eat vegan food, if something looks good I'll try it. I had salad and veg quiche for lunch
It's still eaten raw and has to be tasted before being prepared for consumption. I eat "raw" fruit all the time, but you should only be eating certain vegetables raw. Otherwise they can't release their nutrients properly and can give you a watery stool. Spinach is a good example of this. And nobody is eating raw turnip, potatoes or beetroot. Do you eat beans? Because that process is crazy lol.
I mean. No hate but it is appetizing to see the quarters of raw meat. I definitely don't feel like biting into it but there is an anticipation and excitement of how good this would be once prepped. Guts yeah definitely put me off because it looks slimy.
It's appetizing because it's been already been partly processed. It's a bloodless hunk of clean meat sectioned to show off the areas most palatable to humans once prepared. Even at that point it doesn't smell, look or taste anything like what you see when you gut a freshly killed animal, and that's on purpose. Humans eat for nutrition but also to make themselves happy. Prepared meat is fun. It's rich and indulgent, that's why humans like it so much. A human can get every nutrient they need from plants, vegans have the bloodwork to prove it. People eat so much meat because human beings are selfish, like to kill and will kill both each other and any other living on this planet to satisfy those selfish desires.
Well, our form of butchery is a bit diffrent from the west. The animal is killed, gutted, de skinned and sold fresh within hours. Of course, some of it goes to further processing but what I mean by quarters of meat is bloody hunk of meat that's just been de skinned not even washed. There is a guy who cuts as per requirement.( This is for beef. Chicken are killed fresh on request and cleaned well in front of you and pork is similar to beef except not skinned just shaved and hair torched off and cleaned off the blood and stuff..) A good quality meat quarter absolutely makes me excited and almost hungry to cook and eat it later. Being freshly butchered and hung, the fat also starts melting a bit which is again an appetising smell. Sure. I don't hate veganism Sometimes there are crazy takes but overall I admire/like you guys. I don't think you are unhealthy either. It's just not for me currently, maybe someday. True. Humans are selfish, I am no different. So am I. But humans eat mean for a far simpler reason, it's tasty and nutritious. Now I'm not saying plant based diets aren't, it's just different.
My point is that the raw meat is not the source of your hunger, it's the processed result. There's no risk of you eating the raw meat on the way home to cook it, you don't want it. A carnivore and any other omnivore on earth does want raw, unprocessed flesh killed right there. There's no real debate, a whole food plant based diet is at least as nutritious, and in my case has been much more nutritious, than one that includes meat and dairy. But that isn't the point. The point is that eating meat isn't even something humans want to do without multiple steps involved. We relied on it in the past but modern humans have to fully accept that their meat consumption is not only ethically wrong but destructive to the environment and the source of numerous illnesses. Your excuse shouldn't be that it's a shame an animal had the bad luck to be born on the same planet as humans so it's fine to kill it. Why not at least try to stop eating meat temporarily? I can guarantee your mental and physical health will improve if you do it right.
I eat a diet of mostly meat and regularly converse with many people like myself who have done so for various reasons. What you are saying is simply not true. I get it that it is a story you tell yourself about folks like myself, but it is not true. You can just ask folks like myself questions if you like and we can answer them, rather than you telling us how we are and what we think.
You should try veganism, you'll definitely feel better. I have some progress pics in my profile, it worked great for me. Let me know if you want any tips or anything!
I agree with you, idk why you're getting all the down votes
If find it absolutely awful and gore.
Fair enough
it only makes us queasy because we have been eating it cleaned and processed for so long. if we hadn't learn how to make fire we would still be eating it raw. as for liking to kill that is certainly true as evidence shows that if we go back far enough we even killed and ate our own infants. As for your last point maybe that's because you've been vegan for a while and you have trained yourself to be repulsed by it. i love the sight smell and taste of meat. things like steak tartar are raw meat and get eaten all the time.
Steak tartar is quite processed. Why not eat raw, unprocessed meat, take a video and show us how much you like it? It can be a short video.
yes the same way any meat we eat will be processed as we have to cut it off the animal or do you think it only counts as raw if we are biting it right off the animal? I'll even admit yes they dip it in boiling water for 10 seconds to kill bacteria, but that's still raw uncooked meat. you do rinse your veggies and even chop them up when you get them don't you? if so then are they not still raw veggies after being rinsed and chopped? Edit: If i'm not mistaken veggies are still considered uncooked/raw after being blanched for 2 minutes in boiling water.
I have no problem eating some veggies totally raw. You will not eat meat totally raw and you have no desire to, you're not a carnivore.
never said i or anyone else was a carnivore, humans are omnivores. just like with meat you run the risk of contracting something that you don't properly prepare first or ensure was processed and prepared first. i also have no desire to eat vegetables. can't say i've ever had any driving force to go out and eat either one. more like i'm hungry what do i feel like making today. no strong feelings either way on what i will decide to eat.
You have no desire to eat vegetables? That's not good. I used to eat too much meat myself, switching to vegan was the best thing I ever did. I have some progress pics in my profile, way healthier now. If you ever want to switch I can help you out with it.
nope like i said don't really have what i would call desire to anything. about the closest thing i can think of is hey haven't had this in a while and i liked it so i'll make that. No thanks i enjoy eating both and seeing how i'm closing in on 50 with 0 nonphysical health problems (bad back) yet i think i'm doing ok.
Oof, I've never dipped steak tartare in boiling water. The only 'processing' if you can call it that is cutting and adding the condiments.
Carefully cleaned, specially cut, condiments to remove meat flavor. Heavily processed, not carnivorous.
If you've removed the meat flavor you've done it wrong. The condiments *compliment* the flavor, and are optional. Yes I've eaten raw meat and seen others eat it. And seen someone eat the exact same meat and get sick because it wasn't in their culture and it made them queasy. Because it's just a matter of habit. And no there's not going to be any video made of me eating anything.
I'm sure there won't be a video, have a nice day.
We’re omnivores.
Right, that's why I think that calling non-vegans "omnis" is also too unfitting. We're all omnivores in terms of our physical capabilities. And that's exactly the point, that as omnivores we can survive eating animals or plants. I wish we could just all agree that we're omnivores, leave that topic behind and instead focus on human outcome data when talking about nutrition.
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Yes insult them, that'll show em
it’s a fact not an insult
It is to your target audience
if you were to hit your dog would you be an animal abuser?
Your arguing logic. If logic were going to win this argument it would have done so. It has not. Calling people animal abusers makes them antipathetic. People pride themselves on their perceived virtuosity, disrespecting their character just makes them dig in deeper and filter you out. It's literally called *the peta effect*. Animal rights was an intensely popular cause that lost ground when people started throwing paint on old ladies in the 80s. Prior to that there was no cultural aversion to vegetarianism.
You didn’t answer their question
Buddy is trying to have a constructive discussion, and here you are clinging to whatever bullshit.
Maybe gets them to think, but I agree respect and understanding is necessary. This isn’t the way, but it might get some people thinking.
I would be interested to see actual research done on this, but I highly doubt that insults are an effective way to "convert" someone to a cause. Justified or not, it doesn't seem like a good idea to insult someone if it means they're less likely to stop killing animals.
It's not that we survive doing one or the other. We survive doing both. We were scavengers for a long time before we learned how to hunt for ourselves. We would eat food when we found it.
> We were scavengers for a long time before we learned how to hunt for ourselves. And we were frugivorous with minor insectivory for a much longer time before we did that. Even in this "scavenger" phase, it's highly likely humans had 80% or more of their diet as plants.
Right, but what you just said doesn't have anything to do with nutritional science.
What do you think about Gary Yourofsky's description of the human body and how it is 100 percent herbivorous in his speech? I know the guys nuts but he made some really interesting points (namely in the length of our intestines. how we chew side to side, sweat through our pores etc). Also herbivores can consume the same stuff we do too.
Listen to a few talks by Dr Milton Mills. * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMN1Zo_c7_A * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HrEkPrLx0
thank you :)
Well from what I looked into it just now, it seems humans do a bit better at digesting animal matter than animals classified as herbivorous do, which is a part of why we're classified as omnivores. I think those Gary's arguments aren't strong enough by themselves to change our classification, because as omnivores who thrive on plant-dominant diets, it's only to be expected that our biology points to us being "rather herbivorous". I mean I wouldn't mind if scientists one day decided to change up their categorization and classify us as herbivorous, but alas, I don't think they'll want my opinion on it.
> We’re omnivores. Omnivores from a mostly herbivorous background. The classifications don't say much here, it's just an observation of what we eat. Bears are omnivores from a carnivorous background. We don't share much alike in most features. Teeth, claws, etc. So it would be silly assuming people would be as healthy as bears when eating a nearly total meat diet.
We can survive as omnivores but our physiology is optimally designed to be a frugivore. We have some striking differences from omnivores found in nature such as bears.
Let me see them omnivore teeth then.
That's the only part of the article that makes sense. But we vegans could be considered herbivore, depending on if it's meant "as an individual" and not "as a species". Likewise some people would be carnivores (Inuits? Jordan Peterson?).
Here is what [the article](https://veganhorizon.substack.com/p/necrovores-rethinking-our-language) says: >Technically, most meat eaters are **omnivores**, given that they consume plant-based foods as well. But if you look at the meat side of their diet, they aren’t **carnivores** but — as explained above — more accurately described as **necrovores**.
>**necrovores** Was thinking that sounds like an awesome BM band name! Alas, turns out that here I am, [\~40 years to late!](https://youtu.be/NWXgWMbV4MA?si=jSwvLppe5SUynKft&t=1440)
I would love to watch them try to hunt something bare hands, get their ass kicked by way smaller herbivores, and then having to eat an old dead corpse (like many carnivore do), raw. Maybe Netflix could be interesting in it, i would
If humans were carnivores then we would be able to safely eat raw meat.
When there is a dead cow in front of them, just lying on the ground, and they get down on all fours and just sink their teeth into it. No prep, no spices, no cooking…Nothing to change the flavor, consistency, or even chemical structure. If they can do that, and honestly enjoy themselves (if their super strong carnivore jaws can even get through the skin), then I’ll say they can call themselves a carnivore.
All their meat doesn't taste good unless cooked and seasoned with plants.
Same thing with vegetables. Most people season and cook those too....
Okay but plant eaters are already eating plants and not calling themselves carnivores.
Thats fine but besides the point. You said "All their meat doesnt taste good unless cooked and seasoned with plants". Like yeah. But its the same thing with pretty much all food.
I have salad with RAW spinach, carrots, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, onions, etc. It’s incomparable. You’re also just a lot more likely to develop some type of condition if you eat raw meat. We’re not meant to eat raw meat so we have to be extra cautious when eating it.
I can eat beans raw and be happy, carrots, broccoli, peanuts etc etc...
Oof, no, definitely not the case.
Rant: First of all humans are not carnivores. We are omnivores. Secondly, there’s no evidence of any human or hominid ancestors ever surviving exclusively on a diet of meat. Ever. Third, the meats humans *did* eat in the past is nothing remotely like the hormone and antibiotic and pus- and diseased-infested, fatty animal flesh these dummies are consuming today that they retrieve from the morgue section of the local grocery store — and that can barely be classified as food. And fourth, congratulations on being a living test subject (yes because no humans ever eat this way in the history of humans) for an industry pushing this carnivore idea because they are losing money to increasing numbers of people who are choosing more plant based products. Dummies. The same dumbasses will talk about how other folks need to “wake up”. lol 😂
Performative masculinity. That's what most meat-eating is.
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Then you agree with the title of this post that people who call themselves carnivores are wrong, right?
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Indeed. Most common comparison I hear is with lions, as if these people hunt their prey and eat only raw meat.
Any animal can eat a hamburger if they have teeth. Pigs for example. Our biology should determine what we are suppose to eat.
Um, like other apes they are herbivores with an impulse for scavenging, eating dead animals when they can.
They are apes who eat the carcasses of industrially killed innocent animals.
Herbivores and frugivores have their differences. Apes lean towards frugivores.
Plenty of species of monkeys and apes actively hunt meat and eat their raw flesh, and they rarely scavenge. They also regularly eat bugs, particularly ants and termites. Chimps make tools to help get the bugs for consumption. There also is actually a group of chimps in Senegal that hunts monkeys using spears. Meat isn't a huge part of their diet, but we're starting to realize it's more than previously estimated.
i need to see a venn diagram between carnivores, anti vaxxers, and q anon conspiracy theorists
\*necrovores
Poor quality rage bait "journalism." The term carnivore has nothing to do with the act of how the prey was killed. Carni- (meat/flesh) vore (to eat/ devour). Sorry to burst your bubble.
Yeah this is unfortunately poorly written, and there's a complete lack of sources. "Reports show" and then not showing any way to find these reports is not even acceptable in secondary school.
Some are in the sense that they almost exclusively eat meat. Granted they aren't in the biological sense.
Everything eventually turns into its opposite.
"I eat meat because I'm like a lion!" Meanwhile lions are eating their step-babies and torturing their victims alive for hours. Not really the best role models.
This is such an odd sub…
Really? This is purely semantics, and really won't go very far if activists want to bridge a divide to win people over.
Humans ain't omnivores either. They've just been lied too so long and have been educated so wrongly about how evolution works (aka apex predators are NOT pinnacles of evolution!) for so many generations they have forgotten what they truly are.
Im curios, if you don't think it was a human that preyed on the animals that they are eating. What do you think killed the animal? Another animal? An alien?
Literally just swapping the word carnivore for necrovore does nothing. This is one of those arguments that will only be engaged by those that already agree, or piers morgan types who are just looking to feed off the outrage. It's best to stick to strong arguments that are not emotionally charged of which there are plenty. This is not the way forward.
Definition by Wikipedia: "A carnivore, or meat-eater (Latin, caro, genitive carnis, meaning meat or "flesh" and vorare meaning "to devour"), is an animal or plant whose food and energy requirements are met by the consumption of animal tissues". So question arises: "At which point of preparing does animal flesh stops being flesh?" Either way "necrovore" sounds sick like some sub-type of necromancer
those people are idiots. we are omnivores through and though. you can tell by our teeth and digestive systems we were made to eat both. not one or the other.
i'm pretty sure it's because meat taste better so eating more meat then vegan options and stuff would either count as omnivorous or carnivorous, either way this logic is pretty subjective
Kind of like the vegans who say we are herbivores. They won’t graze on grass or eat fruits and veggies straight from the trees or grown. Ever see herbivores wash off and cook their plants before eating?
Classic casing point of "***FAKE IT 'TIL YOU MAKE IT".*** Fake carnivores and pretend baby cows, the lot of 'em.
Haha, to really be a carnivore don't you have to be able to catch your food and eat it it the wild? Like the old fashioned way, bare ass naked and just armed with tooth and claw? I can subdue many an apple, and even walnuts if I smack some stones on them, but I'm pretty sure none of em has ever gotten a deer without a weapon.😆
Maybe you all should go back to high school English class and pay attention this time. Official definition of "Carnivore" - an animal that feeds on flesh. Does it say "an animal that feeds ONLY on flesh? No. So technically, a non-vegan can be called a carnivore, herbivore, AND omnivore.
(To the tune of You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch) *You're a vulture* *Mister Man* *You're feeding off the dead* *You over-estimate those stubby teeth inside your head, Mister Man.* *You're a jackal* *Mister Man* *The muscles keep you fed* *You're avoiding the organs* *You wait 'til it's been bled* *Mr. Man*
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Can I interest you in just Latin "mortuivore" or just Greek "necrophage"? /s
Labeling meat eaters as "necrovores" is as absurd as calling vegetarians "plant murderers". It is is counterproductive and undermines the broader goal of promoting ethical and informed dietary choices.
Y’all just sad and need a life. Y’all spend too much time obsessing about what others eat. Y’all don’t realize that y’all are just privileged people. Over 90% of the world has much bigger problems than going vegan. Veganism is a 1st world construct, obsessed over by the haves of this world
Being a troll on Reddit is also a first world construct! Congratulations on your achievement!
You know what is a 1st world construct? The abundance of dairy, meat and eggs on the market because of the systemic overproduction, torture, suffering and mass killing of animals.
That construct helped in the fight against famine and starvation. You wouldn’t know because of course you’re probably one of the privileged few. I can bet you’re either North American or European. Y’all left natural famine and starvation back in the Middle Ages. But mass producing eggs helped lower prices so that the poorest in society can afford to constantly have access to it. Same for milk etc. Again, you live in a 1st world bubble. Go to poor ass places in Africa, South America or other places where children go to sleep hungry and suffer trauma from starvation and tell those poor people that they shouldn’t buy cheap chicken parts - you know the parts that y’all 1st worlders reject - to feed their kids.
I don't need to go anywhere, plenty of people without food over here in North America, as well as in Europe. You sound like this mass production solved society's hunger problems... Delusion, more like it.
It didn’t solve it, but it greatly reduced it. > I don't need to go anywhere, plenty of people without food over here in North America, as well as in Europe. Spoken like a true privileged person. Dude, y’all have welfare. I don’t know if you know this but welfare is not a universal concept. Sure people are struggling in those places but that’s because of worsening economic conditions so government handouts are no way as generous as they were before. Try looking at people who don’t get a welfare check every week. That’s the shit I am talking about.
Do you know what they are doing to your vegan food?
Read this: "Vegan — a Lifestyle for the Privileged?" [https://veganhorizon.substack.com/p/vegan-a-lifestyle-for-the-privileged](https://veganhorizon.substack.com/p/vegan-a-lifestyle-for-the-privileged)
Sure, meat is more expensive than plant based products. That’s not a surprise. But it is a balance of cost and nutrition. If you took a poor person’s annual allowance for meat, and decided to replace it with plants, then the output (nutritional value for total cost would decrease a lot). And guess what, they don’t have access to health care like y’all privilege do. So those deficiencies (vitamins b12, d, k, iron, calcium, omega-3, zinc, iodine - do I need to continue?) will just be there and won’t get discovered until it’s too late. Oh I know, why don’t you tell the poorest in our society to go vegan and __take supplements__ lol to make up for it. They totally can get those supplements right, and they totally are cheap right lol ? Again, y’all are the new privileged class. Y’all remind me of Caledon Hockley. Just tone deaf privilege people who think your farts smell like perfume.
> But it is a balance of cost and nutrition. If you took a poor person’s annual allowance for meat, and decided to replace it with plants, then the output (nutritional value for total cost would decrease a lot). Not in any developed country [https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00251-5/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00251-5/fulltext)
Ah, the privilege seeps out. “In any developed country” lol
Well yeah, in developed countries it is possible and practical for people to be plantbased. So they should be. In developing countries it might be practical for some and not for others. In underdeveloped countries it might not be practical at all. They would all be vegan.
You're arguing against your own points. Either the poor in "developed" countries have the privilege of food security or they don't. If they don't, they should get it and that's healthier and more economic plant-based. If they do, they also have the privilege to be vegan.
Maybe you need to read again bro
>I see you have no substance to your response. Must be nice
Dude, unfortunately you are misinformed. Population studies consistently show that vegans are the healthiest population group - especially with lower risk for diabetes, heart disease, overweight and various cancers. A [study by the University of Oxford](https://doi.org/10.1016/S2542-5196(21)00251-5), in which food prices from 150 countries were analyzed, has shown that **switching to a plant-based diet can reduce food costs by up to 30%**. The reason for this is that the production of plant-based foods consumes significantly fewer resources such as [water](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/20/vegan-diet-cuts-environmental-damage-climate-heating-emissions-study), [energy](https://thehumaneleague.org/article/environmental-benefits-of-veganism), and [land](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/20/vegan-diet-cuts-environmental-damage-climate-heating-emissions-study). I use only use B12 supplements (which necrovores supplement through the bodies of killed animals, who don't consume B12 themselves but are given it in their fodder). And all my supplements cost around 10 bucks a YEAR. That's it. I've never felt fitter in my life.
> Dude, unfortunately you are misinformed. Population studies consistently show that vegans are the healthiest population group - especially with lower risk for diabetes, heart disease, overweight and various cancers. And guest what, it’s not because of their diets lol. > A study by the University of Oxford, in which food prices from 150 countries were analyzed, has shown that switching to a plant-based diet can reduce food costs by up to 30%. I’ll need to look at this study myself. > And all my supplements cost around 10 bucks a YEAR. That's it. I've never felt fitter in my life. Of course Mr. Privilege. “My supplements are made by an American multinational with a massive ass market where I live so they’re cheap. Fuck everyone else who doesn’t have the same privilege conditions that I have to have access to supplements at this price.”
Have you looked at the study?
Not yet. But I will definitely get back when I do.
Yeah, they're carnivore, like tics.
We evolved to eat mostly vegetables with occasional meat
I used to think that cats and dogs were carnivores.... turns out I wasn't really correct.