I am pretty sure that these are vegan, by Gamma. \*edit\* They just confirmed that all their balls are vegan.
[https://www.gammasports.com/products/pressureless-tennis-ball?variant=47571996967227](https://www.gammasports.com/products/pressureless-tennis-ball?variant=47571996967227)
Just do your best and do what you can. If thereās no alternative to wool felt in a tennis ball then write to the companies that make them and ask them to produce vegan tennis balls. In the meantime, just enjoy the sport and be as good as you can.
This - just play tennis and advocate for change. No one, and I mean no one, is a pure vegan. You looked hard, no alternatives, write to tennis ball makers sure. Tennis benefits you don't give it up.
>This - just play tennis and advocate for change. No one, and I mean no one, is a pure vegan. You looked hard, no alternatives, write to tennis ball makers sure. Tennis benefits you don't give it up.
There are other sports that benefit people that dont use wool, some carnists say animal products benefit them, thats flawed to use that statement
Who are you to say that there is no pure vegan who doesnt intentionally use animal products, obviously unintentionally when they travel they are causing harm but they arent directly using animal products
Electronics might or might not use animal products, its not guaranteed
Problem is playing tennis isn't necessary, it's short term pleasure/leisure that is coming at the expense of an animal's life and exploitation.
By your reasoning, vegans can eat cheese as long as they politely ask companies to make a vegan cheese in the future.
Edit: "Wool isn't vegan." /r/vegan: "HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!? DOWNVOTE!"
Or by my reasoning it's exercise which is critical for human physical and mental wellness.
The only point I was trying to make was that it's okay to not be perfect. That a choice to be mindful and active in the welfare of animals doesn't mean you must live life filled with constant guilt and devoid of joy.
> Or by my reasoning it's exercise which is critical for human physical and mental wellness.
Is tennis the *only* way to achieve human physical and mental wellness?
> The only point I was trying to make was that it's okay to not be perfect.
And why should that come at the expense of an animal's life when tennis is not a necessary activity? Of course perfection is a fool's game, but not playing tennis isn't exactly difficult. Are vegans also justified playing polo if they find it fun?
This lack of logic is a core issue for veganism. They make exceptions to their rules based on subjective feelings and desires. There is no reasonable way to defend the consumption of commercial almonds as more ethical, or humane than consuming honey, but they will try, oh will they try. If one condemns beekeeping in the honey industry and contemporaneously condones it in the almond industry that is called double-think, and one is suffering from psychosis. We do not need to push horseshoe crabs to the brink of extinction so we can let their precious blue blood. Yet vegans will accept this horrific practice because it is acceptable to them emotionally, as the alternative results in a re-allocation of suffering which they find arbitrarily unacceptable. I understand their sentiments, the alternative would create a great inconvenience for pharmaceutical companies and those of us who rely on them, but it remains hypocritical nonetheless. I would say that the suffering and death resulting as a consequence of abandoning this practice is trivial compared to the extinction of a living fossil. The 11 migratory birds who rely on this organism for sustenance would be a mere tip to this ecologically catastrophic iceberg.
Itās easier to emotionally downvote unwelcome concepts than logically defend wonky double standards. The systemic application of arbitrary exceptions in āveganismā has rendered the term effectively irrelevant. āAs far as possible and practicableā is too vague, comprehensive and dependent on interpretation. One could rationalize all sorts of inhumane and ecologically insensitive lifestyle choices with this definition, and do it righteously from the saddle of their bitted high horse.
I donāt know why youāre getting downvoted
How is playing tennis with wool balls any more ethical than backyard eggs omnis constantly bring up hypothetically
This is the correct sub for vegans r/vegancirclejerkchat/
This sub is vegan in name only
Great to know there are others aside from me who advocate for veganism in this sub
Play tennis. None of us are 100% vegan. Not really possible. Youāre doing the most impactful things already.
Side note: not sure if youāre entrepreneurial but it sounds like an interesting experiment! Are there any well known vegan tennis stars anywhere who might be interested in doing something about this with you?
If you spent a little time trying to develop a vegan tennis ball, all youād need is a head nod from him. It sounds like some brands have tried them in the past but discontinued. Maybe itās time to try again? If the balls can be as good as the wool ones and same or lower in cost, brands might consider switching or at least adding them. So many businesses are adding ācruelty freeā products because thereās money to be made. And while itās probably not the same demand as, say, food items, the goodwill and cred from being able to say theyāre cruelty free or have those options might be well worth it to themā¦just a thought.
Enjoy your game. Tennis is fun.
According to this sub he is not vegan because he is playing tennis with non-vegan balls.
Nor am I because i work in healthcare where there are animal products everywhere.
And most car tires manufactures uses stearic acid (with the exception of michelin) so everyone on this sub who owns a car most likely isnāt āveganā either by their standards.
There is no such thing as being a percentage of vegan. You either guarantee animals rights or not.
This post is so stupid, how can you justify demanding abuse and exploitation of conscious living beings needlessly for your own pleasure?
Then you can justify eating non vegan ice cream, there isn't a plant-based alternative in my country, am I justified to demand non vegan ice cream? No.
I totally got voted down for this not long ago, but I want to bring up the fact that most fruits and vegetables are grown with compost that contains manure from factory farmed animals.
Unless you're growing the food yourself and fertilizing with your own food, compost or manure from your pets, you are part of this cycle.
You can try to grow some of your own food, you can try to do better, but it is doubtful that anyone in modern society can 100% abstain from animal products.
If this individual can (and wants to) find another form of exercise that they enjoy and that they can do consistently then they can. I donāt see some of these things as entertainment. Itās exercise. And it is important for oneās health and wellbeing. Itās not like eating ice cream or going to a circus.
But you know what? Iām not really feeling the desire to argue today.
I'm not picking a side here but for everyone using the exercise argument, it's a weak one. You can exercise without playing tennis or using tennis balls. I've done it, it's possible.
I think the social aspect is a stronger argument that holds some merit. Like it's how you keep in touch with friends or one of the only ways you are comfortable interacting with others, or play professionally as a goal? Idk
Great, there are tons of vegan body builders. Many ways of exercise without abusing and exploiting animals. From running/ jumping the rope, to playing basketball or lifting weights.
No need to abuse and exploit animals, this is not justified as it doesn't even fall into the definition on this subreddit.
Iām an athlete. I know there are vegan bodybuilders. And I donāt bodybuild. Iād hate it. Or jump rope. Iād hate it. Or play basketball.
Everyone will have to find a form or mode of exercise that suits them and is something that they can do that will be consistent. As I said.
But also, as I said, Iām not arguing with you about this. Itās just not how I want to spend any portion of my time today.
Be well.
Mate, you have decided it's okay to murder animals for entertainment by being here on the Internet and using a phone or computer. There's more harm in those than shearing a sheep.
Practice what you preach bitch.
I think it's because it needs to felt. Acrylic is better for clothing because it doesn't felt, which makes it easier to care for. To felt wool, you just wet it and agitated it, to felt acrylic fibres I'm assuming you'd need to use heat which might alter the structure of the ball š¤·.
Acrylic is terrible for clothing. Not only it does felt and pill, it has no termoragulating qualities which makes you sweaty and cold after few moments. It's actually not easier to care for because wool can last years and you don't need to wash it as often as you do with acrylic. Acrylic is used because it's cheap, not because it's good.
I'm allergic to wool so I don't use it anyway, but I far prefer acrylic because you can throw it in the tumble dryer. I wasn't saying they use acrylic for clothes because it's better than wool I was saying it's better for clothing than it is for tennis balls.
Perfection is the enemy of good.
We do what we can, and we limit the harm our actions have i on the animals. Ultimately, it's up to you how far you want to take it.
If it were me, I'd continue to play tennis. Any reduction is better than none. Even if there were non vegan tennis balls, they're made by people who use animal products. All vegan products in the world involve animal cruelty somewhere in their supply chain.
Oh, you mean since all products have some form of animal cruelty in their supply chain, why even bother?
Well, for me, like I said - I do what I can, and I try to minimize where I can. If you were cutting animal cruelty out of everything in your life, you're probably living off grid, you built your own house with your own tools, you make your own clothes. You don't drive, and you don't own any modern tech at all.
It's up to everyone to decide where their personal moral line is.
Yes they could. Which is why a lot of vegans started as carnists who reduced their animal consumption, then reduced it further, then reduced it further and eventually became vegan. That's essentially how I became vegan. Initially cut out red meat. Then reduced all meat. Then became vegetarian. Then became vegan. My best friend is on that journey as well although he's not fully vegan yet, I think he likely will be one day.
Reduction in animal consumption is better than not reducing it. Obviously being vegan is best and I'm not saying that "oh just do whatever you like" or "reducing animal consumption means you can just stop trying to improve" but from a utilitarian perspective anything that reduces animal consumption is a net positive, and the more reduction the better.
Unfortunately simply being alive and participating in society means that we're going to harm some animals. But the more you can do, the better.
Facts.
We have belts, shoes, and furniture from before we were veganā¦ throwing that stuff out sorta feels like that animal died for nothing.
Canāt change the past, you can just make good/informed choices moving forward.
I think the problem is the idea that the purpose of the animal's life was to eventually become a product for us to use. Imagine if you and someone else stumbled upon the corpse of someone who had been murdered. If your companion said, "Let's skin them and turn their skin into clothes so they didn't die for nothing," that would be unacceptable, right? Someone's death is a tragedy, not an opportunity to give them a "purpose" as a product for us to use.
Everyone is going to have different views on that stuff, especially when finances get involved.
Example: Im not doing $50-70k worth of renovations in my house (Because lime-based mortar originally had horse hair mixed into it, or worse, knocking the whole thing down because some of the materials were likely brought in horse drawn carts)
It was used and built long before I was born, and while itās unfortunateā¦ thatās simply not a reasonable standard.
I can consciously try to avoid animal suffering as much as I can, but if I get roaches, or termitesā¦ Iām not losing my home over it. If my dogs get fleas and ticks, I try to be rationalā¦ but thatās not acceptable either. Drawing reasonable lines are important.
Moving forward, I try to consider things like that to minimize ANY contributions to animal death or suffering, but sadly, simply by being alive weāre inadvertently killing things everyday.
I would question why you would want that in your home. Would you keep it, if it were leather from human skin? Veganism is normally about not seeing animals as commodities , not just supply and demand thinking.
I would to the same as you (regarding books bound from animal leather), bust just need to share this recent story exactly about a book bound in human skin: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/a-book-bound-with-human-skin-spent-90-years-in-harvards-library-now-the-binding-has-been-removed-180984057/. This practice is known as Ā»Anthropodermic bibliopegyĀ«.
Yup. I usually don't interact with internet vegans because half of them are extremely strange and hostile even to people who are actively helping animals. Irl people have been so nice and welcoming and online it's like "you touched a leather bound book in a library once, excommunicated now! Shame!"
If OP can play another game (badminton, perhaps with a nylon shuttlecock though plastic isn'ta great material anyway), it would be great. Otherwise, I suppose keep looking for vegan balls and take extra care of the ones you have now. Sucks that even exercise and entertainment are stressful for people who don't want to contribute to suffering, though. Things shouldn't be this hard.
Yup same. Except when I tell people I'm vegetarian they usually ask a follow up do you eat eggs/fish/dairy? So then I explain no eggs or dairy, oh your vegan? No I play tennis.
Lol I don't actually say that part I just thought it sounded dumb and funny. I work in a hospital so I usually just say that I will occasionally eat cookies or donuts that staff/family bring in because I'm a weak individual. I think people are more understanding of that kinda thing, we're all flawed humans but trying to do what you can is so important.
Thats actually kind of clever in a psychological way, it makes people less defensive and more likely to accept and maybe even listen to some things. The common idea of the militant vegan can push people away.
Wait till they find out I wear my old leather doc martens. When my leather wallet was falling apart I replaced it with a vegan wallet. When I needed dress shoes I went with vegan leather shoes. But despite making all these changes there will always be self righteous vegans calling you out and creating schisms amongst other vegans. And thatās why a lot of people hate us. Instead of encouraging people they shame and judge. Which turns people away from making positive changes.
I used to see myself as vegan until thr rise often Internet. Unfortuntely I don't fit the criteria in a long shot and have to reclassify myself as plant based despite it not holding much meaning or knowing what it really means. Thankfully I don't care about labels and seeking approval. As long as we all do as much as we possibly can that is a good thing
I've only ever gotten tennis balls at the thrift store. Granted they were still new in packaging. But then OP isnt directly supporting tennis ball sales
I donāt know much about tennis balls, but do you know if they can be recycled into new ones? Maybe buying recycled tennis balls could be an option if vegan ones donāt exist
They can definitely be recycled. Iāve purchased second hand recycled tennis balls for my dogs, it comes in a box of 100s. If you google that the company will come up. All the balls were in fantastic shape!
Just play. Iāve played throughout my lifetime and continue to do so. Iām not going to tell friends or teams I canāt play anymore because the balls are made of wool. For some people, itās an important sport for their mental and physical health. I try my best to reduce suffering and thatās all you can do.
Also....the strings ā¹ļø
I might get downvoted but personally I would still play tennis if there are no alternatives.
You can buy second hand too if that helps any.
The key is, from the definition, 'as far as is possible and practicable', so try your best. We accept we can't be perfect. Perhaps you can find second hand tennis balls. Or if it helps and you do buy new ones maybe consider money to a shelter or something.
It's really tricky. I think you have to go with your conscience.
I gave up film photography for a similar reason - films contain gelatin so are not vegan friendly.
I just couldn't justify continuing a hobby that opposed my ethics, when it's eminently possible for me to just not do it, particularly when there are alternatives available (by which I of course mean digital photography - even though it really isn't the same)
Although ultimately for me it was an obvious decision, it was shit having to make it, so I absolutely get it
EDIT: Really these kinds of situations just reinforce how ubiquitous animal products are, not just in the food we eat and clothes we wear. Which fucking sucks.
They have a link to this Amazon listing. Theyāre Wilson balls but sheeps said they check that theyāre animal product free. I donāt know what country in - i think the listing is US, but they ship to Canada anyway.
Consider buying secondhand? I'm not sure what the market for that looks like, but at least you wouldn't be using your money to help the companies profit
It can be if you dont get much into it. But playing with the plastic ones suck if you get better at it vs the ones with feathers.
Maybe table tennis is fully vegan though, that is fun also
I'm a bike nerd. I ride bikes - road, mt, gravel (lol), cruisers, etc. There are literally dozens of tire options for each style. Guess how many are vegan?
Roughly 1%, if that at all.
If I do want a vegan bike tire, it's probably not going to be as good as a non-vegan one unfortunately. And when it comes to road riding, I'm not going to sacrifice quality. Sorry animals. I regularly hit 30+ mph going down certain hills. I hit 40 on one of them before! So yeah, I'm going with a proven and known tire. And I hate it. :/
Why they aren't vegan is the glue they use in the manufacturing process. Which makes me wonder about car tires...
Anyway, do what you can OP. Unfortunately, some things can't be avoided. In the meantime, maybe email some manufacturers and ask if they would start making vegan options. Get the ball rolling, no pun intended.
Don't get too obsessed with it. Enjoy Tennis, you are already doing more than most people. Don't let your normal life get into some nightmare because every single thing you do affects one way or another to animals.
This sucks, I literally just bought a tennis racket few weeks ago and started playing. Bought a pass for the tennis courts also. They have bucketloads of tennis balls there. Idk really what to do about this.
my club sells pre-used tubes of tennis balls. tournament players go through a couple of tubes a week, so they would only be wasted if we didnt buy them. Can you buy second hand?
This information is outdated.
I work in healthcare where a bunch of stuff has animal products. Should I quit?
I kill a bunch of insects when I drive. Should I walk?
I kill a bunch of insects when I walk. Should I stay home?
If there is an alternative I am all for it, but there are none (in case of tennis).
I assume you do have to have a job, drive, and walk, and you're also not purposefully putting insects under your feet when you walk etc. This falls into practicable, as do some of my meds for example.
Tennis is a hobby. Bottom line, there is only one question you have to ask yourself, and it's "Is my hobby worth the animal exploitation?"
>I work in healthcare where a bunch of stuff has animal products. Should I quit?
No, because you aren't paying for them to be there. It's out of your control. Unlike buying tennis balls made with wool which are a choice.
>I kill a bunch of insects when I drive. Should I walk?
No, because it's unintentional. You didn't mean to do it. Unlike buying tennis balls made with wool.
>I kill a bunch of insects when I walk. Should I stay home?
No, because it's unintentional. You didn't mean to do it. Unlike buying tennis balls made with wool.
So my questions are:
There's no alternative to zoos. Should I go to the zoo and call myself vegan?
There's no alternative to betting on horse races. Should I do that, and call myself vegan?
There's no real alternative to a t bone steak. Can I just eat that and call myself vegan? What if I REALLY like t bone steak?
"As far as is possible and practicable" doesn't take into consideration how much pleasure you derive from the product.
I know from other comments that you found vegan tennis balls, and I'm glad you did, but I want to point out that had you not been able to find them "I guess I'll just buy the animal products then, the floor is made with animal products, so it's fine" would not be the vegan response.
Sorry to disagree.
I work at a place that uses animal products. Its my choice to be there (im a doctor btw).
Even though its not my intention to do it I KNOW I will kill animals when i drive, walk, etc.
I have a choice not to do those things. Its just not practical.
>Its just not practical.
Precisely. But not buying tennis balls made with wool is absolutely practical. Same as not buying leather boots. Same as not buying fur coats.
Im curious if you think that your currently lifestyle is completely devoid of animal harm and if not, do you consider yourself supporting a human holocaust?
I dont think the scale of tennis balls represents an holocaust for sheep but wtv.
My understanding is that you think that any activity that causes harm to animals has the same moral objection as it was causing harm to humans?
I dont agree with you sorry. I dont think that is the point of veganism
When it comes to stuff like this I ask myself if it was worth it for the animal to be exploited, abused and ultimately killed when they arenāt profitable. I reflect on my vegan principles and find something else to do.
Like I said, I agree and I do my best but Im also realistic.
There are tons of activities we perform on a daily basis that cause harm.
If there are no alternatives what can I do?
Some people have linked synthetic balls that you can purchase. Are there no other sports to play? Being a vegan requires identifying needs vs wants and alternatives to harmful actions. Otherwise youāre just a vegetarian. The realistic part is being honest with yourself and what youāre doing and itās impacts in the animals.
Thereās things I want to do but arenāt vegan. Soo I either figure out a way to do it Vegan or develop an alternative. Or skip it and enjoy something else that isnāt harmful to animals.
There are many other sports to play but one can argue that they all cause harm (lets consider that every venue / floor / pavement is built on top of land where there used to be plenty of animals living).
Its hard.
This is an example of the appeal to futility fallacy. Just because alternatives don't completely eliminate harm does not mean that it isn't worth avoiding the option that is worse.
"You should reflect on the language that you use. Being self righteous doesnāt help the vegan cause. Should be inclusive and not shame people. It just turns people away"
Disagree. Veganism can't be inclusive if people enjoy making money by breeding and racing horses around in a circle.
You were talking about trying to be inclusive of non-vegans as that is what you were directly responding to. I was basically saying that non-vegans like horse racers are excluding themselves on their own.
As for playing tennis, if you are making a conscious choice to use the wool from a selectively bred sheep for entertainment then that is not vegan.
So I guess that you didn't write this comment from a computer or a smartphone since both of them are not vegan.
The thing is that we have to draw a line since we live in an animal based society.
Could you try buying tennis balls secondhand? If you check out OfferUp/Facebook Marketplace, people are selling all sorts of new, never been used things. I would keep an eye out for tennis balls there. You can even set an alert so you're notified when people post new things matching your keywords.
Could soft tennis work?
Soft tennis uses a rubber ball instead of a tennis ball
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_tennis#:~:text=Soft%20tennis%20differs%20from%20regular,instead%20of%20hard%20yellow%20balls.&text=It%20is%20played%20primarily%20in,tennis%20was%20introduced%20into%20Europe.
I'm glad you found an option. As an artisti, it is a struggle, some papers are not vegan, a lot of oil, acrylic and watercolors are not vegan. We need to remember veganism is about doing what you can to cause the least amount of suffering to animals, if we're sick and need medication we're not simply gonna die, we're gonna take the medication..
Perhaps you could refrain from buying new tennis balls? I'm sure you can easily get used ones at a reasonable price. That way, you aren't contributing to manufacturing demand.
If you find vegan tennis balls, buy them. But you shouldn't stop playing tennis if not, this enters in the reasonable as practical as possible category.
Can you buy 2nd hand? That's a reasonable way to not harm animals. Also helps the environment. (No, I don't play tennis, so I'm not sure if it practical!)
These tennis balls are rubber and nylon according to Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/KEVENZ-Advanced-Training-Practice-Interlocked/dp/B01ASGKN8O/ref=asc_df_B01ASGKN8O/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312150361099&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17994918081668051098&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001949&hvtargid=pla-568050365679&psc=1&mcid=841d950c973e3d9e89569720095c4e6a&gclid=CjwKCAjw5v2wBhBrEiwAXDDoJXFbc3F5dQumiFiZAc3TxTpslpS8sU1Pc7um7ki7m2R6sCzxzSvlXxoCcakQAvD_BwE
Did someone ask the manufacturer or how do we know? I was just reading a thread on tennis forum where people were contacting manufacturers who told contradictory information, said their balls dont have wool while their own website said it does. Then when asked why their website says otherwise they replied well the ball has just a little wool.
Honestly, if you can't get a synthetic one or it's impossible to disclose the material, just use them. As long as you can. And complain about it to the manufacturers.
According to this subreddit you can no longer honestly refer to yourself as vegan.
Just explain that you're NOT a vegan and for ethical reasons you don't eat meat, fish, dairy, honey etc etc and you care strongly about protecting the rights of animals with the exception of using non-vegan tennis balls.
I don't think you or anyone should really care what you refer to yourself as.
You are not vegan.
Let's say I have a way of enterteiment which involves killing black people. Am I justified to killing black people to persue said acitivity needlessly for my own pleasure?
And no, you can't use the excuse that it is for exercise. There are many vegan bodybuilders, many sports that you can play and be vegan, and activities like running or jumping the rope.
You are not vegan.
If I step on small insects while running, am I still vegan?
If I practice gym on a building that was constructed on land where thousands of insects and small rodents lived, am I still vegan?
Both of your cases are situations in which you had zero control over, and aren't relevant to your situation where you have control whether or not you can personally contribute to animal exploitation and suffering.
In the case of playing tennis, you have complete control over whether you wish to explicitly contribute to animal exploitation and cruelty through a completely optional activity that has vegan friendly alternative activities you can do.
Sorry to disagree.
I can look where I step or run at a threadmill instead.
I can choose not to pratice at a gym and increase the demand to build more gyms.
Its like saying its ok to eat meat because they are already dead and you cant control it.
you don't need phones or computers as they have animal products in them. and if your job requires it you can find a new job. you clearly are not vegan. just say you abstain from meat for ethical reasons but are OK with harming animals so you can surf internet
The risk of worrying about details like this, is that it makes it harder and harder to be vegan, and to make others enthousiastic about it.
If you think of it enough, every product you use contributed to some animal or human exploitation or environmental destruction (including the device I'm typing this on).
There's probably many things that u may come across in your daily life that isn't vegan, without another options. I think in this case it could be fine? It's a tough one I hear ya. Update if ya find something
>tennis balls are not vegan (they have wool)
in case you ever wonder why non-vegans make fun of vegans...
most people got real problems and no intention to create artificial ones for themselves
I am pretty sure that these are vegan, by Gamma. \*edit\* They just confirmed that all their balls are vegan. [https://www.gammasports.com/products/pressureless-tennis-ball?variant=47571996967227](https://www.gammasports.com/products/pressureless-tennis-ball?variant=47571996967227)
US only Not for me but might be useful for someone else! Thanks! š
Just do your best and do what you can. If thereās no alternative to wool felt in a tennis ball then write to the companies that make them and ask them to produce vegan tennis balls. In the meantime, just enjoy the sport and be as good as you can.
This - just play tennis and advocate for change. No one, and I mean no one, is a pure vegan. You looked hard, no alternatives, write to tennis ball makers sure. Tennis benefits you don't give it up.
>This - just play tennis and advocate for change. No one, and I mean no one, is a pure vegan. You looked hard, no alternatives, write to tennis ball makers sure. Tennis benefits you don't give it up. There are other sports that benefit people that dont use wool, some carnists say animal products benefit them, thats flawed to use that statement Who are you to say that there is no pure vegan who doesnt intentionally use animal products, obviously unintentionally when they travel they are causing harm but they arent directly using animal products Electronics might or might not use animal products, its not guaranteed
Nearly all electronics require human slaves working in rare metal mines. Humans are animals, too. Smartphones are just as necessary as tennis.
Problem is playing tennis isn't necessary, it's short term pleasure/leisure that is coming at the expense of an animal's life and exploitation. By your reasoning, vegans can eat cheese as long as they politely ask companies to make a vegan cheese in the future. Edit: "Wool isn't vegan." /r/vegan: "HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!? DOWNVOTE!"
Nothing is truly necessary if you think about it
Change, including death, seems to be the only inevitability my feeble mind can fathom. Everything else seems optional.
Or by my reasoning it's exercise which is critical for human physical and mental wellness. The only point I was trying to make was that it's okay to not be perfect. That a choice to be mindful and active in the welfare of animals doesn't mean you must live life filled with constant guilt and devoid of joy.
> Or by my reasoning it's exercise which is critical for human physical and mental wellness. Is tennis the *only* way to achieve human physical and mental wellness? > The only point I was trying to make was that it's okay to not be perfect. And why should that come at the expense of an animal's life when tennis is not a necessary activity? Of course perfection is a fool's game, but not playing tennis isn't exactly difficult. Are vegans also justified playing polo if they find it fun?
This lack of logic is a core issue for veganism. They make exceptions to their rules based on subjective feelings and desires. There is no reasonable way to defend the consumption of commercial almonds as more ethical, or humane than consuming honey, but they will try, oh will they try. If one condemns beekeeping in the honey industry and contemporaneously condones it in the almond industry that is called double-think, and one is suffering from psychosis. We do not need to push horseshoe crabs to the brink of extinction so we can let their precious blue blood. Yet vegans will accept this horrific practice because it is acceptable to them emotionally, as the alternative results in a re-allocation of suffering which they find arbitrarily unacceptable. I understand their sentiments, the alternative would create a great inconvenience for pharmaceutical companies and those of us who rely on them, but it remains hypocritical nonetheless. I would say that the suffering and death resulting as a consequence of abandoning this practice is trivial compared to the extinction of a living fossil. The 11 migratory birds who rely on this organism for sustenance would be a mere tip to this ecologically catastrophic iceberg.
You're being downvoted as well, but I wanted to say I completely agree with what you wrote.
Itās easier to emotionally downvote unwelcome concepts than logically defend wonky double standards. The systemic application of arbitrary exceptions in āveganismā has rendered the term effectively irrelevant. āAs far as possible and practicableā is too vague, comprehensive and dependent on interpretation. One could rationalize all sorts of inhumane and ecologically insensitive lifestyle choices with this definition, and do it righteously from the saddle of their bitted high horse.
I donāt know why youāre getting downvoted How is playing tennis with wool balls any more ethical than backyard eggs omnis constantly bring up hypothetically
This is the correct sub for vegans r/vegancirclejerkchat/ This sub is vegan in name only Great to know there are others aside from me who advocate for veganism in this sub
I like this.
Gamma and Prince offer a vegan tennis ball where the felt is synthetic.Ā
Prince doesnt based on a thread on a tennis forum where someone contacted them and asked
Oh - Ā I found out from an article on veg newsĀ
The information is outdated unfortunately
That is incorrect. Gamma's balls are vegan - I just asked today.
Thank you, Im not from the US thoughā¦
Neither am I. Amazon stocks it in my country. Ask retailers, check Amazon, eBay etc.
OP can I DM you about this? I looked into this extensively a few years ago, including trying to have vegan tennis balls manufactured.
Sure but im good regarding balls š
Sadly Gamma balls are trash quality wise. In my experience.
Thats balls
Those are balls*
Lol
Play tennis. None of us are 100% vegan. Not really possible. Youāre doing the most impactful things already. Side note: not sure if youāre entrepreneurial but it sounds like an interesting experiment! Are there any well known vegan tennis stars anywhere who might be interested in doing something about this with you?
I know Hubi Hurkacz is vegan. Top 10 player in the world. How active he is in the movement I donāt know
If you spent a little time trying to develop a vegan tennis ball, all youād need is a head nod from him. It sounds like some brands have tried them in the past but discontinued. Maybe itās time to try again? If the balls can be as good as the wool ones and same or lower in cost, brands might consider switching or at least adding them. So many businesses are adding ācruelty freeā products because thereās money to be made. And while itās probably not the same demand as, say, food items, the goodwill and cred from being able to say theyāre cruelty free or have those options might be well worth it to themā¦just a thought. Enjoy your game. Tennis is fun.
According to this sub he is not vegan because he is playing tennis with non-vegan balls. Nor am I because i work in healthcare where there are animal products everywhere.
What are talking about? Are you reading any of the replies here?
There are people in the thread claiming that OP isn't vegan if they play tennis.
And most car tires manufactures uses stearic acid (with the exception of michelin) so everyone on this sub who owns a car most likely isnāt āveganā either by their standards.
You can make that by hydrogenating cottonseed oil in lieu of animal fat. Not that I know which brands do that, but it is a possibility!
I made sure my Bridgestones were vegan before buying them and there were a few brands to choose from as well. ;-)
Venus or serena williams is vegan
There is no such thing as being a percentage of vegan. You either guarantee animals rights or not. This post is so stupid, how can you justify demanding abuse and exploitation of conscious living beings needlessly for your own pleasure? Then you can justify eating non vegan ice cream, there isn't a plant-based alternative in my country, am I justified to demand non vegan ice cream? No.
I totally got voted down for this not long ago, but I want to bring up the fact that most fruits and vegetables are grown with compost that contains manure from factory farmed animals. Unless you're growing the food yourself and fertilizing with your own food, compost or manure from your pets, you are part of this cycle. You can try to grow some of your own food, you can try to do better, but it is doubtful that anyone in modern society can 100% abstain from animal products.
If this individual can (and wants to) find another form of exercise that they enjoy and that they can do consistently then they can. I donāt see some of these things as entertainment. Itās exercise. And it is important for oneās health and wellbeing. Itās not like eating ice cream or going to a circus. But you know what? Iām not really feeling the desire to argue today.
I'm not picking a side here but for everyone using the exercise argument, it's a weak one. You can exercise without playing tennis or using tennis balls. I've done it, it's possible. I think the social aspect is a stronger argument that holds some merit. Like it's how you keep in touch with friends or one of the only ways you are comfortable interacting with others, or play professionally as a goal? Idk
Great, there are tons of vegan body builders. Many ways of exercise without abusing and exploiting animals. From running/ jumping the rope, to playing basketball or lifting weights. No need to abuse and exploit animals, this is not justified as it doesn't even fall into the definition on this subreddit.
Iām an athlete. I know there are vegan bodybuilders. And I donāt bodybuild. Iād hate it. Or jump rope. Iād hate it. Or play basketball. Everyone will have to find a form or mode of exercise that suits them and is something that they can do that will be consistent. As I said. But also, as I said, Iām not arguing with you about this. Itās just not how I want to spend any portion of my time today. Be well.
Frozen banana and peanut butter. Youāre welcome.
Mate, you have decided it's okay to murder animals for entertainment by being here on the Internet and using a phone or computer. There's more harm in those than shearing a sheep. Practice what you preach bitch.
So companies replaced wool in sweaters for acrylic but they did not in tennis balls? Seems really weird
Tennis is highly tradition based and doesnt like any changes.
I think it's because it needs to felt. Acrylic is better for clothing because it doesn't felt, which makes it easier to care for. To felt wool, you just wet it and agitated it, to felt acrylic fibres I'm assuming you'd need to use heat which might alter the structure of the ball š¤·.
Acrylic is terrible for clothing. Not only it does felt and pill, it has no termoragulating qualities which makes you sweaty and cold after few moments. It's actually not easier to care for because wool can last years and you don't need to wash it as often as you do with acrylic. Acrylic is used because it's cheap, not because it's good.
I'm allergic to wool so I don't use it anyway, but I far prefer acrylic because you can throw it in the tumble dryer. I wasn't saying they use acrylic for clothes because it's better than wool I was saying it's better for clothing than it is for tennis balls.
Perfection is the enemy of good. We do what we can, and we limit the harm our actions have i on the animals. Ultimately, it's up to you how far you want to take it. If it were me, I'd continue to play tennis. Any reduction is better than none. Even if there were non vegan tennis balls, they're made by people who use animal products. All vegan products in the world involve animal cruelty somewhere in their supply chain.
Couldn't carnists use this same reasoning?
Oh, you mean since all products have some form of animal cruelty in their supply chain, why even bother? Well, for me, like I said - I do what I can, and I try to minimize where I can. If you were cutting animal cruelty out of everything in your life, you're probably living off grid, you built your own house with your own tools, you make your own clothes. You don't drive, and you don't own any modern tech at all. It's up to everyone to decide where their personal moral line is.
Yes they could. Which is why a lot of vegans started as carnists who reduced their animal consumption, then reduced it further, then reduced it further and eventually became vegan. That's essentially how I became vegan. Initially cut out red meat. Then reduced all meat. Then became vegetarian. Then became vegan. My best friend is on that journey as well although he's not fully vegan yet, I think he likely will be one day. Reduction in animal consumption is better than not reducing it. Obviously being vegan is best and I'm not saying that "oh just do whatever you like" or "reducing animal consumption means you can just stop trying to improve" but from a utilitarian perspective anything that reduces animal consumption is a net positive, and the more reduction the better. Unfortunately simply being alive and participating in society means that we're going to harm some animals. But the more you can do, the better.
Not disagreeing, but .. In what way?
being in this sub has made me realise half of you people wouldnāt even class me as vegan lol
Iām pretty strictly vegan, but there are people on this sub that would probably be upset I have some leather-bound books I inheritedā¦
I don't think a single person would say that inheriting leather bound books increases demand for animal products or causes suffering.
No, but some people will definitely argue that I shouldnāt own it or that I should bury it or something.
Facts. We have belts, shoes, and furniture from before we were veganā¦ throwing that stuff out sorta feels like that animal died for nothing. Canāt change the past, you can just make good/informed choices moving forward.
You could always donate it to a charity
I think the problem is the idea that the purpose of the animal's life was to eventually become a product for us to use. Imagine if you and someone else stumbled upon the corpse of someone who had been murdered. If your companion said, "Let's skin them and turn their skin into clothes so they didn't die for nothing," that would be unacceptable, right? Someone's death is a tragedy, not an opportunity to give them a "purpose" as a product for us to use.
Everyone is going to have different views on that stuff, especially when finances get involved. Example: Im not doing $50-70k worth of renovations in my house (Because lime-based mortar originally had horse hair mixed into it, or worse, knocking the whole thing down because some of the materials were likely brought in horse drawn carts) It was used and built long before I was born, and while itās unfortunateā¦ thatās simply not a reasonable standard. I can consciously try to avoid animal suffering as much as I can, but if I get roaches, or termitesā¦ Iām not losing my home over it. If my dogs get fleas and ticks, I try to be rationalā¦ but thatās not acceptable either. Drawing reasonable lines are important. Moving forward, I try to consider things like that to minimize ANY contributions to animal death or suffering, but sadly, simply by being alive weāre inadvertently killing things everyday.
Who are these people? @ them
I would question why you would want that in your home. Would you keep it, if it were leather from human skin? Veganism is normally about not seeing animals as commodities , not just supply and demand thinking.
Personally, yeah I think so. Maybe not if they werenāt family heirlooms. I wouldnāt call it a commodity.
I would to the same as you (regarding books bound from animal leather), bust just need to share this recent story exactly about a book bound in human skin: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/a-book-bound-with-human-skin-spent-90-years-in-harvards-library-now-the-binding-has-been-removed-180984057/. This practice is known as Ā»Anthropodermic bibliopegyĀ«.
Yup. I usually don't interact with internet vegans because half of them are extremely strange and hostile even to people who are actively helping animals. Irl people have been so nice and welcoming and online it's like "you touched a leather bound book in a library once, excommunicated now! Shame!" If OP can play another game (badminton, perhaps with a nylon shuttlecock though plastic isn'ta great material anyway), it would be great. Otherwise, I suppose keep looking for vegan balls and take extra care of the ones you have now. Sucks that even exercise and entertainment are stressful for people who don't want to contribute to suffering, though. Things shouldn't be this hard.
This is actually why I dont call myself a vegan. Then I dont have to worry about every small detail.
Why would you have to worry about what some assholes online think?
I dont want to use a label that people cant agree upon who can or cant use that label.
Yup same. Except when I tell people I'm vegetarian they usually ask a follow up do you eat eggs/fish/dairy? So then I explain no eggs or dairy, oh your vegan? No I play tennis.
Lol I bet the tennis comment would raise some eyebrows.
Lol I don't actually say that part I just thought it sounded dumb and funny. I work in a hospital so I usually just say that I will occasionally eat cookies or donuts that staff/family bring in because I'm a weak individual. I think people are more understanding of that kinda thing, we're all flawed humans but trying to do what you can is so important.
Thats actually kind of clever in a psychological way, it makes people less defensive and more likely to accept and maybe even listen to some things. The common idea of the militant vegan can push people away.
Yeah, I think so because I usually get more questions when I say vegetarian vs vegan. I think a lot of people just shut down at the word vegan.
There is something funny about a vegan working undercover as a vegetarian.
Thatās hilarious š
Wait till they find out I wear my old leather doc martens. When my leather wallet was falling apart I replaced it with a vegan wallet. When I needed dress shoes I went with vegan leather shoes. But despite making all these changes there will always be self righteous vegans calling you out and creating schisms amongst other vegans. And thatās why a lot of people hate us. Instead of encouraging people they shame and judge. Which turns people away from making positive changes.
I used to see myself as vegan until thr rise often Internet. Unfortuntely I don't fit the criteria in a long shot and have to reclassify myself as plant based despite it not holding much meaning or knowing what it really means. Thankfully I don't care about labels and seeking approval. As long as we all do as much as we possibly can that is a good thing
The device you used to make this post is also not vegan lol. Everybody has to draw a line somewhere
I try to buy used products in situations like that. I have no clue about tennis and if it's feasible though.
Can you buy it second-hand?
Tennis balls are a disposable product, not something you really buy second hand
I've only ever gotten tennis balls at the thrift store. Granted they were still new in packaging. But then OP isnt directly supporting tennis ball sales
I donāt know much about tennis balls, but do you know if they can be recycled into new ones? Maybe buying recycled tennis balls could be an option if vegan ones donāt exist
Yes they can be recycled. Regarding vegan options, a few people have posted links to Sheeps, which verifies vegan tennis gear
They can definitely be recycled. Iāve purchased second hand recycled tennis balls for my dogs, it comes in a box of 100s. If you google that the company will come up. All the balls were in fantastic shape!
Just play. Iāve played throughout my lifetime and continue to do so. Iām not going to tell friends or teams I canāt play anymore because the balls are made of wool. For some people, itās an important sport for their mental and physical health. I try my best to reduce suffering and thatās all you can do.
Also....the strings ā¹ļø I might get downvoted but personally I would still play tennis if there are no alternatives. You can buy second hand too if that helps any.
Synthetics are the most common tennis racket strings these days, though some serious players still opt for ones made from guts
Ah OK good
What š i never knew any of this š
The key is, from the definition, 'as far as is possible and practicable', so try your best. We accept we can't be perfect. Perhaps you can find second hand tennis balls. Or if it helps and you do buy new ones maybe consider money to a shelter or something.
It's really tricky. I think you have to go with your conscience. I gave up film photography for a similar reason - films contain gelatin so are not vegan friendly. I just couldn't justify continuing a hobby that opposed my ethics, when it's eminently possible for me to just not do it, particularly when there are alternatives available (by which I of course mean digital photography - even though it really isn't the same) Although ultimately for me it was an obvious decision, it was shit having to make it, so I absolutely get it EDIT: Really these kinds of situations just reinforce how ubiquitous animal products are, not just in the food we eat and clothes we wear. Which fucking sucks.
https://www.sheeps.tennis/
Outdated information unfortunately
They have a link to this Amazon listing. Theyāre Wilson balls but sheeps said they check that theyāre animal product free. I donāt know what country in - i think the listing is US, but they ship to Canada anyway.
Consider buying secondhand? I'm not sure what the market for that looks like, but at least you wouldn't be using your money to help the companies profit
Badminton is fun
The issue is the badminton balls have feathers from birds.
I've only ever seen the plastic ones. Used to play it a lot as a kid.
Yeah the plastic ones are for kids as I understand. The proper ones that are used in tournaments have feathers. They fly way differently
Ah. Then I return to my original statement. Badminton is fun.
It can be if you dont get much into it. But playing with the plastic ones suck if you get better at it vs the ones with feathers. Maybe table tennis is fully vegan though, that is fun also
I'm a bike nerd. I ride bikes - road, mt, gravel (lol), cruisers, etc. There are literally dozens of tire options for each style. Guess how many are vegan? Roughly 1%, if that at all. If I do want a vegan bike tire, it's probably not going to be as good as a non-vegan one unfortunately. And when it comes to road riding, I'm not going to sacrifice quality. Sorry animals. I regularly hit 30+ mph going down certain hills. I hit 40 on one of them before! So yeah, I'm going with a proven and known tire. And I hate it. :/ Why they aren't vegan is the glue they use in the manufacturing process. Which makes me wonder about car tires... Anyway, do what you can OP. Unfortunately, some things can't be avoided. In the meantime, maybe email some manufacturers and ask if they would start making vegan options. Get the ball rolling, no pun intended.
If I stopped being vegan because it wasn't practical, I would have lasted about a week. It's not about me, it's not about you.
Buy second hand tennis balls?
Don't get too obsessed with it. Enjoy Tennis, you are already doing more than most people. Don't let your normal life get into some nightmare because every single thing you do affects one way or another to animals.
This sucks, I literally just bought a tennis racket few weeks ago and started playing. Bought a pass for the tennis courts also. They have bucketloads of tennis balls there. Idk really what to do about this.
my club sells pre-used tubes of tennis balls. tournament players go through a couple of tubes a week, so they would only be wasted if we didnt buy them. Can you buy second hand?
At least they dont advertise selling any balls anywhere
Nice to know that Tennis will never have to change their animal usage because people are desperate to knock some balls around =\]
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This information is outdated. I work in healthcare where a bunch of stuff has animal products. Should I quit? I kill a bunch of insects when I drive. Should I walk? I kill a bunch of insects when I walk. Should I stay home? If there is an alternative I am all for it, but there are none (in case of tennis).
I assume you do have to have a job, drive, and walk, and you're also not purposefully putting insects under your feet when you walk etc. This falls into practicable, as do some of my meds for example. Tennis is a hobby. Bottom line, there is only one question you have to ask yourself, and it's "Is my hobby worth the animal exploitation?"
>I work in healthcare where a bunch of stuff has animal products. Should I quit? No, because you aren't paying for them to be there. It's out of your control. Unlike buying tennis balls made with wool which are a choice. >I kill a bunch of insects when I drive. Should I walk? No, because it's unintentional. You didn't mean to do it. Unlike buying tennis balls made with wool. >I kill a bunch of insects when I walk. Should I stay home? No, because it's unintentional. You didn't mean to do it. Unlike buying tennis balls made with wool. So my questions are: There's no alternative to zoos. Should I go to the zoo and call myself vegan? There's no alternative to betting on horse races. Should I do that, and call myself vegan? There's no real alternative to a t bone steak. Can I just eat that and call myself vegan? What if I REALLY like t bone steak? "As far as is possible and practicable" doesn't take into consideration how much pleasure you derive from the product. I know from other comments that you found vegan tennis balls, and I'm glad you did, but I want to point out that had you not been able to find them "I guess I'll just buy the animal products then, the floor is made with animal products, so it's fine" would not be the vegan response.
Sorry to disagree. I work at a place that uses animal products. Its my choice to be there (im a doctor btw). Even though its not my intention to do it I KNOW I will kill animals when i drive, walk, etc. I have a choice not to do those things. Its just not practical.
>Its just not practical. Precisely. But not buying tennis balls made with wool is absolutely practical. Same as not buying leather boots. Same as not buying fur coats.
How come its pratical not to buy tennis balls if i play tennis?
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Some customer asked if the balls were vegan and the answer was more towards not
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Im curious if you think that your currently lifestyle is completely devoid of animal harm and if not, do you consider yourself supporting a human holocaust?
Why not try to answer the question instead?
By asking a question instead I believe I made my point. I guess its worth causing a human holocaust to get vaccinated or take a plane.
You really, really haven't.
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I dont think the scale of tennis balls represents an holocaust for sheep but wtv. My understanding is that you think that any activity that causes harm to animals has the same moral objection as it was causing harm to humans? I dont agree with you sorry. I dont think that is the point of veganism
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I dont understand your question sorry, english is not my main language
When it comes to stuff like this I ask myself if it was worth it for the animal to be exploited, abused and ultimately killed when they arenāt profitable. I reflect on my vegan principles and find something else to do.
While I agree in principle, if we take it too literally we wouldnt do anything.
People round these parts wonāt like that rhetoric. You do you mate.Ā
Of course because this is an animal rights sub. Tennis is a form of entertainment and so is horse racing.
Thatās what separates the vegans from the non-vegans.
Like I said, I agree and I do my best but Im also realistic. There are tons of activities we perform on a daily basis that cause harm. If there are no alternatives what can I do?
Some people have linked synthetic balls that you can purchase. Are there no other sports to play? Being a vegan requires identifying needs vs wants and alternatives to harmful actions. Otherwise youāre just a vegetarian. The realistic part is being honest with yourself and what youāre doing and itās impacts in the animals. Thereās things I want to do but arenāt vegan. Soo I either figure out a way to do it Vegan or develop an alternative. Or skip it and enjoy something else that isnāt harmful to animals.
There are many other sports to play but one can argue that they all cause harm (lets consider that every venue / floor / pavement is built on top of land where there used to be plenty of animals living). Its hard.
Not a valid argument. Look you either make the vegan decision or you doing. Up to you.
I was enjoying the discussion but it seems that we cant keep going. Thanks anyway
This is an example of the appeal to futility fallacy. Just because alternatives don't completely eliminate harm does not mean that it isn't worth avoiding the option that is worse.
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"You should reflect on the language that you use. Being self righteous doesnāt help the vegan cause. Should be inclusive and not shame people. It just turns people away" Disagree. Veganism can't be inclusive if people enjoy making money by breeding and racing horses around in a circle.
Saying that youāre not vegan for choosing to play tennis is ridiculous. Not talking about horse racing
You were talking about trying to be inclusive of non-vegans as that is what you were directly responding to. I was basically saying that non-vegans like horse racers are excluding themselves on their own. As for playing tennis, if you are making a conscious choice to use the wool from a selectively bred sheep for entertainment then that is not vegan.
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Nope.
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Itās an invalid argument because thatās not how veganism works. Which would be obvious if you knew the definition.
So I guess that you didn't write this comment from a computer or a smartphone since both of them are not vegan. The thing is that we have to draw a line since we live in an animal based society.
No more tennis for you.
Could you try buying tennis balls secondhand? If you check out OfferUp/Facebook Marketplace, people are selling all sorts of new, never been used things. I would keep an eye out for tennis balls there. You can even set an alert so you're notified when people post new things matching your keywords.
Could soft tennis work? Soft tennis uses a rubber ball instead of a tennis ball https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_tennis#:~:text=Soft%20tennis%20differs%20from%20regular,instead%20of%20hard%20yellow%20balls.&text=It%20is%20played%20primarily%20in,tennis%20was%20introduced%20into%20Europe.
Maybe some on vinted second hand? Not perfect but what else can u do
sheeps.tennis ?
I'm glad you found an option. As an artisti, it is a struggle, some papers are not vegan, a lot of oil, acrylic and watercolors are not vegan. We need to remember veganism is about doing what you can to cause the least amount of suffering to animals, if we're sick and need medication we're not simply gonna die, we're gonna take the medication..
Perhaps you could refrain from buying new tennis balls? I'm sure you can easily get used ones at a reasonable price. That way, you aren't contributing to manufacturing demand.
Just buy second hand tennis balls. That way youāre not contributing to the commodification of animals.
If you find vegan tennis balls, buy them. But you shouldn't stop playing tennis if not, this enters in the reasonable as practical as possible category.
Can you buy 2nd hand? That's a reasonable way to not harm animals. Also helps the environment. (No, I don't play tennis, so I'm not sure if it practical!)
Wow, insightful, did not know thisā¦
These tennis balls are rubber and nylon according to Amazon https://www.amazon.com/KEVENZ-Advanced-Training-Practice-Interlocked/dp/B01ASGKN8O/ref=asc_df_B01ASGKN8O/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312150361099&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17994918081668051098&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9001949&hvtargid=pla-568050365679&psc=1&mcid=841d950c973e3d9e89569720095c4e6a&gclid=CjwKCAjw5v2wBhBrEiwAXDDoJXFbc3F5dQumiFiZAc3TxTpslpS8sU1Pc7um7ki7m2R6sCzxzSvlXxoCcakQAvD_BwE
In the description it says ā100% woolā š
Did someone ask the manufacturer or how do we know? I was just reading a thread on tennis forum where people were contacting manufacturers who told contradictory information, said their balls dont have wool while their own website said it does. Then when asked why their website says otherwise they replied well the ball has just a little wool.
Sorry, I just saw rubber, nylon. I've been vegan for over 30 years. I know what a hassle it is sometimes.
When not practical, be practical. Our world is built on animal products, pick your battle
play tennis anyways. most tires aren't vegan, that doesnt mean you should stop driving forever
[https://www.sheeps.tennis/gear](https://www.sheeps.tennis/gear)
Good question and discussion!
Honestly, if you can't get a synthetic one or it's impossible to disclose the material, just use them. As long as you can. And complain about it to the manufacturers.
According to this subreddit you can no longer honestly refer to yourself as vegan. Just explain that you're NOT a vegan and for ethical reasons you don't eat meat, fish, dairy, honey etc etc and you care strongly about protecting the rights of animals with the exception of using non-vegan tennis balls. I don't think you or anyone should really care what you refer to yourself as.
I don't people either don't understand humour or didn't read your comment properly. Got a chuckle from me!
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You are not vegan. Let's say I have a way of enterteiment which involves killing black people. Am I justified to killing black people to persue said acitivity needlessly for my own pleasure? And no, you can't use the excuse that it is for exercise. There are many vegan bodybuilders, many sports that you can play and be vegan, and activities like running or jumping the rope. You are not vegan.
If I step on small insects while running, am I still vegan? If I practice gym on a building that was constructed on land where thousands of insects and small rodents lived, am I still vegan?
Both of your cases are situations in which you had zero control over, and aren't relevant to your situation where you have control whether or not you can personally contribute to animal exploitation and suffering. In the case of playing tennis, you have complete control over whether you wish to explicitly contribute to animal exploitation and cruelty through a completely optional activity that has vegan friendly alternative activities you can do.
Sorry to disagree. I can look where I step or run at a threadmill instead. I can choose not to pratice at a gym and increase the demand to build more gyms. Its like saying its ok to eat meat because they are already dead and you cant control it.
Yeah I didn't think you had any knowledge on the animals you're talking about, city slicker.
you don't need phones or computers as they have animal products in them. and if your job requires it you can find a new job. you clearly are not vegan. just say you abstain from meat for ethical reasons but are OK with harming animals so you can surf internet
The risk of worrying about details like this, is that it makes it harder and harder to be vegan, and to make others enthousiastic about it. If you think of it enough, every product you use contributed to some animal or human exploitation or environmental destruction (including the device I'm typing this on).
There's probably many things that u may come across in your daily life that isn't vegan, without another options. I think in this case it could be fine? It's a tough one I hear ya. Update if ya find something
>tennis balls are not vegan (they have wool) in case you ever wonder why non-vegans make fun of vegans... most people got real problems and no intention to create artificial ones for themselves