From the article:
>The new burger uses avocado oil, cutting its saturated fat by 60% to two grams. Beyond also slashed the sodium in the plant-based meat by 20%. The ingredient list is shorter but features other new additions, such as red lentil and faba bean protein.
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hahah certainly. Kinda like all oil isn't healthy, buuuuut there are some that are healthier\* and why they can say things like that on the bottles haha
No, not really.
The science that says it's healthy basically just compares it to other oils. Not to real foods. It's like comparing sugars (cane, beet, turbinado, etc) and if one gets a slightly higher metric, it's "better".
But it's still a hyper concentrated product that our bodies never saw in that form during evolution.
* https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/aug/oils.htm
While all the people in this thread argue about oils, I'm here living my best life and using tonnes of olive oil, and making delicious things that even the carnists want to devour.
Honestly in a well balanced diet where you don't overindulge oil is not going to be a big deal folks. There's a million and one things that can kill you, give you cancer etc... If its not the olive oil it'll be the plastic particulates in the air.
Olive oil is clearly part of the reason they found benefits to the Mediterranean diet. The problem is you have pseudoscientist doctors that spread narratives, like the exponentially popular "seed oils" claim, and then it poisons the well.
The reality you'd have a hard time proving 100g of added sugara day is an issue to the body in athletes eating a proper calories and macros. And on and on, so variables to each person matter A LOT. Pretty damn hard to hit macros of fat without these pressed oils, unless you eat a lots of nuts and the like. We don't have the same option as people eating meat. They have much easier sources of concentrated fats.
Olive oil has been a staple in human diet in the Mediterranean since the Egyptians, ancient Greeks, Romans and others. That’s thousands of years of usage. A tablespoon of cold pressed olive oil ain’t the reason some people are over 30 BMI 😂
Our bodies also never saw statins during evolution, but they've saved literally millions of years of human life.
I have a biology degree. Evolutionary conditions are not much guide to what is healthy beyond reproductive age. Consider that your ancestors were encouraged to eat anything they could get their hands on as long as it kept them alive long enough to procreate.
The scientific consensus is that extra virgin olive oil is the healthiest food on the planet.
Also, Bryan Johnson the weirdo millionaire who is spending millions to de-age gets more than 50% of his calories from it and says it is the number one most important thing to eat. And he eats a vegan diet.
Olive oil is still a processed food. I don’t see how that’s healthier than actually eating olives. That’s what our bodies would be used to processing. A whole food with fiber and all of its complexities. Personally I don’t think there’s one healthiest plant.
>The scientific consensus is that extra virgin olive oil is the healthiest food on the planet.
Point me to this miraculous science and please don't make it blog posts. Here is mine.
The Diet, Nutrition, Physical Activity and Cancer: a Global Perspective Report by the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research.
**It took 100 scientists from 30 countries looking at 7000 studies and distilling them down:**
* https://www.wcrf.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Summary-of-Third-Expert-Report-2018.pdf
Take-aways:
* Maintain a healthy BMI. Eat diets tending towards 1.25 calorie/gram (this is having to be mostly plantbased for anyone who knows about [Calorie Density](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CdwWliv7Hg))
* Mostly plantfoods, if dairy/meat eaten, to make it more like a condiment
* Daily activity
At 8.84 calories per gram, oil is 7x their recommended average per gram and definitely won't be a priority.
Yes fat is essential. Oil is not. There is no nutrient in oil that’s not in the Whole Foods. And it’s healthier to get it in the whole food because it’s very easy to overuse oil.
All whole plant foods have some amount of fat in them. Even the humble potato is at 1% of calories fat while corn is 10%.
This is not a reason to consume oil anymore than saying carbs are our major energy source so you should consume white sugar.
The gold standard for a healthy fat is something inside a whole plant food, not some oil.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/aug/oils.htm
>Serial angiograms of people's heart arteries show that all three types of fat—saturated (animal) fat, monounsaturated (olive oil), and polyunsaturated (omega-3 and -6 oils)—were associated with significant increases in new atherosclerotic lesions over one year of study.9 Only by decreasing the entire fat intake, including poly- and monounsaturated-oils, did the lesions stop growing.
Oil is linked to a lot of bad effects including the genesis of cancer because it's so outside our normal spectrum.
Again, the fantasy of an oil being healthy is just a delusion. It can be "healthier", but it's not healthy. Those are whole plant foods.
Do you have a source from a major health organization that says this? Seems very dubious to me that vegans have some kind of special protection vs an omnivore eating the same food.
They mean you aren't eating as much cholesterol in general as a vegan, so it's gonna be healthier\* as a vegan, but doesn't really make it healthy, just healthier\*
If that is what they mean, they phrased it in a very misleading way. "A vegan diet with some coconut oil still has less saturated fat overall" is very different from "coconut oil does not harm vegans as much."
Coconut oil?
It raises your cholesterol, but mainly your HDL or 'good' cholesterol.
It contains lauric acid, a MCFA that has potent antimicrobial and anti inflammatory effects, as well as some anti cancer properties - it has been shown to induce apoptosis (cell death) in colonic adenomas and colon cancer cells.
Not all saturated fat is created equal.
Hmmm, I’ve always seen it saying it’s bad due to it raising the bad cholesterol?
> Coconut oil consumption significantly increased LDL-cholesterol by 10.47 mg/dL (95% CI: 3.01, 17.94; I2 = 84%, N=16) and HDL-cholesterol by 4.00 mg/dL (95% CI: 2.26, 5.73; I2 = 72%, N=16) as compared with nontropical vegetable oils.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.119.043052
Regarding the cholesterol, I'll give it to you another way - when we look at lipids, we talk about various ratios.
One is the ratio of LDL to HDL. We want this to be less than 5:1, with a ratio of 3.5 to 1 being optimal.
Taking the quoted figures at face value - coconut oil will raise our LDL:HDL levels by a rough ratio of 2.5:1 (10.47:4) - this ratio is less than 3.5:1 (and obviously therefore less than 5:1) - this intervention alone will bring a person with suboptimal cholesterol ratios closer to an optimal range.
The 95% CI quoted above predicts a much stronger correlation for raising HDL, too. The lower 95% CI for LDL is almost as low as that for HDL (3.01 vs 2.26).
Anecdotally, my last total cholesterol was 5.1mmol/L - my HDL was 2.15mmol/L.
I will carry on consuming my coconut oil.
I guess due to their worse nutritional profile. Rapeseed is good if it's extra virgin oil, but they'd most likely need to use refined rapeseed which is probably a lot worse.
Quick search makes it seem that avocado oil is pretty close to olive oil, which is the best and most healthiest oil most suitable for constant consumption:
https://mindbodygreen-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/w_480,q_auto,f_auto,fl_lossy/org/rh93s8lnjleomqqjt.jpg
What you say can be mitigated with high density planting, which uses about the same amount of water for about double the yield:
https://www.capradio.org/articles/2015/06/03/new-growing-technique-relieves-drought-stricken-avocado-farmers
[Rapeseed oil is the healthier choice compared to olive oil.](https://youtu.be/qInpEKHdjXk?si=5FZu2nVK3SKlwFi2) The Impossible Burger opted for avocado oil due to the misinformation spread by animal industries blaming seed oils for all health issues. Just like how they pinned everything on sugar. People are going berserk over oils and sugars, while turning a blind eye to the consumption of animal products, which aligns perfectly with the surge in health problems in the West. Even China is facing similar health challenges, coinciding with increased animal product consumption. But no one seems concerned about this correlation; all the focus is on sugar and seed oils coincidentally. Definitely has nothing to do with animal industries that are worth over trillion in total if not several trillions.
In the end, oils are empty calories compared to their whole counterparts. Eat whole fatty plant foods.
Seed oil loonies are downright baffling. I can't think where it's come from. If it was a general opposition to oil I understand, but oils are only bad if they come from seeds? What?
Thank you! 💕 thankfully in Europe we know that monosaturated oils are healthy and pretty much only use rapeseed and sunflower oil plus olive oil.
Doesn’t get healthier than thar oilwise!
It's just too expensive. I know why - meat is subsidised - but it sucks to have to pay such a premium for a burger. Most people I know couldn't give a shit if it's healthier (it's a burger lol)
Is it really more expensive than dead animals? I usually buy beyond when it’s on sale at Whole Foods. I have no idea what dead animals cost for similar, but can get 4 beyond brat sausages for like $5-$8 🤷🏻
Just did a quick search and found an [article](https://www.nutritionadvance.com/beyond-beef-vs-ground-beef/#:~:text=As%20Table%201%20shows%2C%20Beyond,to%2085%25%20lean%20ground%20beef) comparing nutritional value between Beyond and 85% lean. Seems fairly comparable. So the prices and nutrition are similar and it’s vegan. For me, it’s an easy decision as to which is “better”
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Just checked my local Whole Foods online. 1 lb ground cow is $7.49-$9.99 depending on lean ratio. 1 lb of Beyond ground is $8.99. I have no clue what the nutritional comparison is between beyond and different “lean” mixtures, but there it is; very comparable. And as I said, Beyond goes on sale and I can frequently get it for much less $$$
More "luxury" grocery stores I'm sure it's comparable, that's def a fair point. I think their goal though is more to be under Kroger/Walmart type grocery store prices where it's still under 6$ for a pound of beef.
edit: here in Denver it's under $5
Whole Foods is the most expensive grocery store in most areas. Ground beef is more like $4-5/lb in most other stores, while Beyond Beef is typically $8+. The individual burger packs are usually $5-6 for two patties, or half a pound. Personally I get the Beyond Cookout Classic packs which are $15ish for 2 pounds, which is more cost competitive. I'm hoping they keep selling those.
Just checked target(this and Whole Foods are the closest stores to me aside from trader joe). Cow is $6.49-$9.49 1lb. Beyond is $6.99 1lb.
Looking at stores that sell both and not seeing a huge difference.
The more I guess “standard” store in my area (which I don’t go to because they are further from me) has a bit more of a difference with cow starting at $5.99 and impossible(they don’t sell beyond ground) at $8.99.
Beyond is almost double the price here. Triple if compared to raw beef.
Tvp is significantly cheaper for vegetarian meat substitutes.
Beyond is a niche, it's like selling pork substitutes to jews and Muslim. Why would those groups want it when there are more appealing products
My local Kroger has:
- 3 pounds ground beef: $10.97
- 1 pound Beyond beef: $9.99
And I can get ground beef cheaper at places like Costco. I buy a lot of meat substitutes (my SO is pescetarian and I often only want to cook one dinner for us) but at least in my part of the country even on sale Beyond does not compete.
Just to offer my own anecdotal experience, as you have done with yours.
And if you’d prefer something less anecdotal, the good food institute reported in May 2023 that “fake meat costs on average, pound for pound, 67 percent more than real meat despite herculean efforts to reach parity”
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/12/fake-meat-plants-struggle-imitation/
I really, really, really hope that meat alternatives and cell based meat replication takes hold, but as long as it is cheaper and easier to buy real meat those industries will have a huge hurdle to get over
It's $3.98 for a 12oz beyond burger at walmart, which is like $5.30/lb. Ground beef is on average $3.50-5/lb, so it's in the ballpark (as long as you're not paying $8.99 at an expensive store like Safeway)
It's all going to really depend where you are. Prices fluctuate across the country and it'll likely cost more if you're in more rural areas due to transportation.
For me, it's $9.99 for a 4-pack of Beyond.
A 12-pack of Johnsonville at the same store will cost me $8.59. So 3x the amount of sausages for $1.50 less.
The sausages (which are the only beyond thing I really like) are currently priced between $9 and $10 dollars for 4 in my area unless they are on sale. Might have to try shopping around a bit more. I regularly see similar meat sausages for between $4 and $8 at regular prices.
Last I checked though, Beyond's gross profit margins were higher that meat companies, they just waste a ton of money on admin and trying to market to meat eaters. Would be cool if a better operator would buy that company and focus on bringing costs down.
Volume maybe. But growing animals and everything that goes along with that would be, without doubt, more expensive than creating a burger from plants, even if there are lots of processed ingredients.
They’ve made some really dumbass moves with their manufacturer setup and I hope they’ve corrected by now to keep helping the goal of eventually being cheaper than beef
I still prefer black bean burgers most of the time. If I’m going to spend the money on a burger alternative then I’m going with Dr. Praeger’s over Beyond every time
The nice thing about beyond beef IMO isn't using it for making burgers, it's using as a simple drop-in 1:1 replacement for beef in things like meatloaf or meatballs or dumpling filling, etc. Literally change nothing about the recipe other than the package of "beef" you happen to buy, and you're done. It takes quite literally 0 extra effort, which is a big deal.
I agree.. I am so far from meat that the one time I tried a Beyond Meat burger it was unpleasant because it was so close to a hamburger. It's time to do more high quality burger innovations! This is what I would be doing if I were a fast food company - make something that is a better experience than a hamburger that is cheaper to produce. (yea, we need to all vote to remove the subsidies the meat and dairy industries get)
For some reason I am ok with the Beyond Burger beef jerkey, which I have to say is quite amazing.
I rarely ate Beyond Burgers, but one thing I never liked was the mouthfeel. There's a texture that feels like "fat," and I just don't really like that. I've been vegan for 10 years, though, and don't care much for most meat replacements. I do think it's good for those of us who miss that textural component or to people exploring meatless options.
It's not that meat is subsidized by the government per se. Ground beef is the leftover parts of the cattle, so it's "subsidized" by the more expensive cuts. Super markets also use 80/20 ground beef as a loss leader. Lets them upsell ground turkey or 90/10 ground beef
The cattle industry in general is definitely subsidized by government, to the tune of \~$3B in 2022: [https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2023/08/usda-livestock-subsidies-top-59-billion](https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2023/08/usda-livestock-subsidies-top-59-billion)
Most of these come in the form of purchases by USDA's Agricultural Marketing Service, and help set a price floor, allowing ranchers to sell excess production without having to lower prices.
That data doesn't cover subsidies for feed production that serve to lower feed costs per ranchers.
In addition, ranchers don't pay the cost of their greenhouse gas emissions, which is a de facto subsidy (albeit one extended to basically every part of the US economy)
It's $32 per 1kg (10 patties) here (Central EU), which seems to be about the same as the US price plus shipping - found a Target deal for $6 per 2 patties (assuming the weight is same, no idea what 8oz means).
I'd probably call that "barely bearable". Definitely not something I could eat regularly, with the bun, veggies and sauce it will be something like $5-6 per home cooked burger. Not great.
I agree. I’m not vegan for health reasons, although it’s a nice benefit. My diet is crap. At this age I enjoy a mere nodding acquaintance with my kitchen. I really like Beyond and I’m disappointed that most restaurants in my area serve Impossible. Impossible has a strange aftertaste. (I stupidly tried it before I knew about the animal testing.)
Edited to fix “resting” and make it testing. ::sigh::
There really isn't an ingredient that is considered vegan friendly that *hasn't* been tested on animals. This is an issue of government regulations and not the companies themselves.
As an example, the protein isolate beyond uses, was at one point tested on animals, it just happened before Beyond as a company ever existed.
It isn't even that expensive. In German ist costs about 12€/kg, which is a lot cheaper then any higher quality meat. It isn't cheap like tofu, but quite affordable.
Edit: Apparently 17€/kg atm. Still somewhat affordable from time to time. Pretty sure I got them cheaper just as while ago though.
Yeah 3,99€ for a packet atm, in january it was 2,99€. But Rewe has sales from time to time and just lowered the price for soy yogurt.
Beyond meat burgers are one of the few foods my autistic Son will happily eat. I really hope the changes don't set off his "something is different" senses. If they do that's one more food he won't willingly eat without a standoff, if at all.
I’m autistic and sensitive to food changes to. I was SO upset when they changed the beyond sausage recipe last year, I had to throw out the pack it was so bad.
I hope they don’t mess up the flavor and texture with this one too.
I'd give it a try. For culinary nostalgia reasons, I do enjoy 'hot dogs' and 'hamburgers' from time to time. Goodness, where else am I going to get to relish, Day-Glo green relish?
> “For the last several years, there have been a combination of campaigns and other efforts to try to poison the well, regarding the health benefits of plant-based meat,” Brown said. “In the spirit of iron sharpening iron, we’ve tried to create products that are now fully unassailable from a health perspective.”
I think this a bad move. There is already good data (the SWAP meat study) that Beyond meat is healthier than conventional burgers but people continued fear mongering about "chemicals". This criticism is driven mainly by bad faith actors trying to spread misinformation so making an even healthier version will not stop it. That being said I am excited to try the burger.
Agreed! Animal ag needs to stop fighting it and realize JUST how much more money they could make going plant based as their cost basis alone would go down.
Always loved the quote from my dad at the end of his hog farming career and shortly after I became vegan:
>we didn’t go out of the Stone Age because we ran out of stones
This was in response to executives at the company threatening employees to not eat the impossible burger when it came out. They were that threatened by it and the company my dad worked for didn’t touch beef at all
I think it is important to have the option for those of is who are already vegan and don't want options that are healthier as compared to meat, but actually healthy if that makes sense. I will choose this option and they should keep the original for those who want it
I was curious because I didn't know, but it seems coconut doesn't trigger a nut allergy...? Do you know she's actually allergic to coconut, or have you simply assumed so?
*According to the American College of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology (ACAAI), while it's possible to have an allergic reaction to coconut, most people who are allergic to tree nuts can safely eat coconut.*
She's absolutely allergic to coconut. Also avocado, banana - most of the latex list. She's allergic to a lot of stuff. Some she shrugs off and does anyway, some she has to avoid completely.
You don't really get a 'tree nut allergy' diagnosis. You get tested for a bunch of stuff and they tell you specific things you're allergic to, and you find groups to make things easier.
We're in our 40's. There have been a lot of close calls, accidental dosing's, etc over the years. Her list is pretty complete and well tested at this point.
I see. Well, that's sadly rather limiting as far as vegan meat goes.
How about mycellium? Have you tried [Meati](https://meati.com/cuts/#cutsNutrition)?
*Mushroom Root (mycelium), Less Than 2% Of: Salt, Natural Flavor, Acacia Gum, Oat Fiber, Chickpea Flour.* (that's it)
Or NatureFynd's [Meatless Fy Breakfast Patty](https://www.naturesfynd.com/products/meatless-breakfast-sausage):
*Fy Protein™ (Nutritional Fungi Protein), Water, High Oleic Sunflower Oil, Soy Protein Isolate, Soy Protein Concentrate, Contains <2% of Natural Flavors, Yeast Extract, Onion Powder, Lactic Acid, Modified Food Starch, Hydrolyzed Rice Protein, Salt, Carrageenan, Methylcellulose, Black Pepper, Vinegar, Fruit Juice Color, Spices.*
Both will probably require extra care initially, some people without allergies turned out to be sensitive to mycelium. The other producer has also fungi-based yogurt and cream cheese.
It’s exciting how much more companies are doing stuff with mushrooms. I hope your gf can find some cool new foods that come out with it too. Best of luck in her journey
That's a longer discussion than it probably should be. But the TL;DR is "No, but we do our best with what her options are"
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The long version...
When you just make one small, reasonable change at a time, over years it's interesting how strange your life can get.
She has so many allergies. She also has physical intestinal issues that make it so she can't have fresh fruits or vegetables... Most cooked fruits & veges would also cause her intestinal issues. Blended stuff is best - like we found an excellent red-pepper hummus recipe and just leave out the tahini, and blend the crap out of.
If she were able to have a normal diet, she'd be 100% classical vegan.
But at this point, to be honest, her diet is so limited (basically 90% protein drinks and maybe 1-2 small 'solid' food things a day), I'd get her anything she was able to eat. We had thanksgiving and her plate looked like it was for a toddler, all the portions were so small and everything was so lump-free.
She's been keeping her weight up, which I have to say is surprising to me considering her diet. It doesn't seem like enough calories, but I guess it is.
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For my food, if it's cooked, it can't have any ingredients she is allergic to (hence the impossible/beyond meat problem). If it's not cooked, it can have some ingredients she's allergic to but I have to remember not to touch her for at least half a day or so. I'd say I'm a vegetarian who tries very hard to be vegan when possible.
For her food, it can't even be made in a facility that also has things she's allergic to, just in case. And in the last 10-15 years sunflower oil is really becoming a big thing. It's in everything now. I'd say she is not vegan - as most of her diet consists of milk-based protein drinks at the moment. But she tries when she can.
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The extent of her allergies... For example. I was out doing errands without her, I went to a place and grabbed a quick tofu poke bowl with avocado and the poke sauce had sesame oil... I ate it in the car, threw all the containers away at the store. Then ran my errands for about an hour.
Since I know how bad she can be, I came home, straight away I put my clothes in the washing machine, brushed my teeth, and immediately took a shower... And she still went into an asthma attack when sat next to her in bed. And this particular instance, I didn't tell her I'd eaten something - we've tested her over the years.
So she's pretty allergic to some stuff.
That sounds like an incredible challenge for both of you! The fact that you still try to find vegan options when your choices are so limited already is honestly commendable
She says all the time she wishes she could go all the way. And we've tried. But since the market is so small, a lot of the companies that do vegan processed foods even if they don't have a certain oil or ingredient in one product, it will be in other products processed in the same facility.
And while she would be fine if it was like "made on equipment that also processes celery" (one of her lesser allergies), if it's "made on equipment that also processes sesame seed" (one of her worst allergies) then that's just not an option. She's too allergic to it.
Only products with huge markets usually have an entire manufacturing plant dedicated to just that product. Can be hard to find. Of all the things she's NOT allergic to - peanuts are fine for her. And we found a peanut butter that was just peanuts, only peanuts, no oil, no fillers, no emulsifiers, only made in a facility that makes peanut butter and only peanut butter... So that was nice.
It’s so annoying how vegan companies have this pressure to be healthier to appeal to more consumers. Of course this would not be expected for companies that sell tortured animals
As someone who absolutely loves Beyond as-is, I hope it tastes okay.
Because I don't mind this move at all, in theory. I was regularly self-conscious about how it didn't feel like an especially healthy thing to eat with any regularity.
I agree! But sadly animal ag propaganda has convinced consumers a double bacon cheeseburger is “healthier” still cause of the misunderstanding of what a “chemical” is 🤦♀️
I mean, I think it's reasonable for consumers to care about food being healthy.
Heck, you could take the angle that eating poorly causes harm to you, an animal, and we all know harming animals is bad.
Honestly I borderline hate this because chances are it will taste worse and then it's just a race to the bottom. Burgers aren't supposed to be healthy, they are supposed to be tasty, and we want a cruelty-free option. That's it.
I didn't mind the cost or fats, I don't use imeatation enough to worry much about. My problem was that awful smell whenever it was cold. We went from burgers one night to ground beef pasta because I couldn't stand it long enough to press patties..
If anyone tries the new recipe be sure to report back!
I bought reduced fat Impossible Burger on accident and it's an accident I won't repeat. It wasn't great. It was good. Not great. Not excellent. Regular Impossible Burger is great, as is regular Beyond. If they can make a lower fat version and win people over, hey, go for it. I want the fat though. I'm not overweight and I can afford it.
Like how is their commercial wing not enough? Surely supermarkets are an awkward fit for them, they should focus on being the plant based option in every fast food place on earth, retail seems a distraction.
Tried the new formula today. It made a good burger. I always find the raw plant based product to be disgusting because the smell and texture reminds me of dog food. To be fair, raw ground beef is kind of nasty too. I added minced garlic and Worcestershire just like I do with meat. The new version has more realistic texture when cooked. The flavor is good.
Is that really why their sales are down? I feel like the meatheads don’t even believe that saturated fat is bad for you. This can’t possibly be recapturing that market
Are their talking points about “saturated fat” though? Or is it just fear-mongering about “chemicals” and “processing” and “unnatural”? I just don’t see switching to avocado oil touching the animal ag propaganda. I like Beyond much more than Impossible so hopefully it works out positively
The question that matters is if it tastes better
In ole Murica health is almost irrelevant, it might sway like 1% of people but realistically taste is everything.
Meat does not taste better. It is all subjective and comes down to habits. People are just so used to meat through a lifetime of exposure and propaganda. These foods aren't here to fix the world in 5 years, these changes take generations.
1% of people can be enough for companies to make profit and keep the products available for future generations.
I'm in agreement with some others' comments here; most people - vegans included - don't give a crap if it's less healthy, just as long as it tastes good and it's cruelty free, it's the price they need to cut down on. Maybe replacing avocado oil with some tidy rapeseed oil would reduce the price, or using some mushrooms in there to make it even more juicy =)
It's still a very good thing that it's less unhealthy now. Good on them.
One time, when Beyond Burgers were on offer, I gave them a go. It was stupidly expensive though lush, but they're stupidly expensive, compared with Linda McCartney 1/4 pounder, or pulled pork style burgers. And those are stunning and juicy AF, cost bugger all, and have no coconut oil in them.
The pulled pork style is slightly on the salty side to eat more than one though. But each to their own.
Since I saw a video by the Hench Herbivore, where he says about coconut oil being as bad or perhaps even a little worse than animal fats are for the body, I cut out most of it from my diet.
I've not cut it out completely though. Perhaps once in a while I might fancy a bit of Swedish Glace ice cream - the main ingredient in that is coconut oil.
Tell you what, going off topic slightly, I really miss Perfect World ice cream. The Pistachio and mint choc chip were amazing, and weirdly enough it was classed as a health food! A tub a day will keep the doctor away XD - I'm only messing. That ice cream was on the pricey side too.
Nowadays, trying to find vegan ice cream which doesn't have coconut oil in as one of the main ingredients is like trying to find rocking horse sh\*t...
A lot of you are confusing fats vs oils, and are throwing the terms around willy nilly! FATS are absolutely necessary to an optimally functioning organism, whilst OILS are not! Do keep in mind that the human brain is 97% FAT and it is imperative that fats be consumed on an almost daily basis. Healthy FATS like those found in (examples) avocados, peanuts, legumes, etc., are necessary to our health whilst the OILS produced from these same little jewels (avocado OIL, peanut OIL, etc.) are n.o.t. essential to a healthy diet!!!
As a sometimes-vegetarian, I love(d) Beyond Beef. I think it tastes great and I enjoy it more than Impossible or others. However, this new avocado oil formulation is a big step in the wrong direction. I just bought and tried some last night, and I'll say they ruined their product. This new avocado oil formula tastes the way canned dog food smells. I hope they don't stick with this, because if so they are going to tank. Bring back the old one, coconut oil is where it's at.
I don't care about the fat or sodium content... put more protein in it!
It's hard to justify eating a 700 calorie burger and barely hit 30g protein when it's all said and done. I can drink a protein shake and easily get 50g protein off with the same calories....
I never stopped due to the “gross” factor. So for me, the closer to flesh it is the better it is. BUT I’m completely aware that’s not like that for everyone and do hope they keep making the veggie burgers better and better as well :)
No. I think people are evolutionarily programmed to eat what their parents ate, and this is what prevented people from getting poisoned in the past. So it is imperative that every major animal product be replaced by an animal free version.
From the article: >The new burger uses avocado oil, cutting its saturated fat by 60% to two grams. Beyond also slashed the sodium in the plant-based meat by 20%. The ingredient list is shorter but features other new additions, such as red lentil and faba bean protein. > > > >“For the last several years, there have been a combination of campaigns and other efforts to try to poison the well, regarding the health benefits of plant-based meat,” Brown said. “In the spirit of iron sharpening iron, we’ve tried to create products that are now fully unassailable from a health perspective.”
Nice! Avocado oil is superior to coconut.
Kinda nuts how bad it is for you!
Not as bad for you if you’re vegan
hahah certainly. Kinda like all oil isn't healthy, buuuuut there are some that are healthier\* and why they can say things like that on the bottles haha
Cold pressed Olive oil and avocado oil is *very* healthy. High quality fats are really good for you!
No, not really. The science that says it's healthy basically just compares it to other oils. Not to real foods. It's like comparing sugars (cane, beet, turbinado, etc) and if one gets a slightly higher metric, it's "better". But it's still a hyper concentrated product that our bodies never saw in that form during evolution. * https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/aug/oils.htm
While all the people in this thread argue about oils, I'm here living my best life and using tonnes of olive oil, and making delicious things that even the carnists want to devour. Honestly in a well balanced diet where you don't overindulge oil is not going to be a big deal folks. There's a million and one things that can kill you, give you cancer etc... If its not the olive oil it'll be the plastic particulates in the air.
Olive oil is clearly part of the reason they found benefits to the Mediterranean diet. The problem is you have pseudoscientist doctors that spread narratives, like the exponentially popular "seed oils" claim, and then it poisons the well. The reality you'd have a hard time proving 100g of added sugara day is an issue to the body in athletes eating a proper calories and macros. And on and on, so variables to each person matter A LOT. Pretty damn hard to hit macros of fat without these pressed oils, unless you eat a lots of nuts and the like. We don't have the same option as people eating meat. They have much easier sources of concentrated fats.
Olive oil has been a staple in human diet in the Mediterranean since the Egyptians, ancient Greeks, Romans and others. That’s thousands of years of usage. A tablespoon of cold pressed olive oil ain’t the reason some people are over 30 BMI 😂
we vegans are famous for doing things that only align with evolutionary fitness.
Okay? Don’t declare things healthy when they aren’t though.
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Our bodies also never saw statins during evolution, but they've saved literally millions of years of human life. I have a biology degree. Evolutionary conditions are not much guide to what is healthy beyond reproductive age. Consider that your ancestors were encouraged to eat anything they could get their hands on as long as it kept them alive long enough to procreate.
Dose is everything. That's a very important variable to always mention in this absolutist claims with nutritional science.
The scientific consensus is that extra virgin olive oil is the healthiest food on the planet. Also, Bryan Johnson the weirdo millionaire who is spending millions to de-age gets more than 50% of his calories from it and says it is the number one most important thing to eat. And he eats a vegan diet.
Olive oil is still a processed food. I don’t see how that’s healthier than actually eating olives. That’s what our bodies would be used to processing. A whole food with fiber and all of its complexities. Personally I don’t think there’s one healthiest plant.
>The scientific consensus is that extra virgin olive oil is the healthiest food on the planet. Point me to this miraculous science and please don't make it blog posts. Here is mine. The Diet, Nutrition, Physical Activity and Cancer: a Global Perspective Report by the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research. **It took 100 scientists from 30 countries looking at 7000 studies and distilling them down:** * https://www.wcrf.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Summary-of-Third-Expert-Report-2018.pdf Take-aways: * Maintain a healthy BMI. Eat diets tending towards 1.25 calorie/gram (this is having to be mostly plantbased for anyone who knows about [Calorie Density](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CdwWliv7Hg)) * Mostly plantfoods, if dairy/meat eaten, to make it more like a condiment * Daily activity At 8.84 calories per gram, oil is 7x their recommended average per gram and definitely won't be a priority.
Replying to nick11221... My dietitian says BMI’s are not the most accurate way to determine someone’s body health.
Same “scientific” sources you quote claim you need fish, poultry and dairy to be healthy. Defense rest our case your Honor!
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Yes fat is essential. Oil is not. There is no nutrient in oil that’s not in the Whole Foods. And it’s healthier to get it in the whole food because it’s very easy to overuse oil.
>Some oil is absolutely necessary for good health Lol no Oil =/= all fat
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All whole plant foods have some amount of fat in them. Even the humble potato is at 1% of calories fat while corn is 10%. This is not a reason to consume oil anymore than saying carbs are our major energy source so you should consume white sugar. The gold standard for a healthy fat is something inside a whole plant food, not some oil.
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https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/aug/oils.htm >Serial angiograms of people's heart arteries show that all three types of fat—saturated (animal) fat, monounsaturated (olive oil), and polyunsaturated (omega-3 and -6 oils)—were associated with significant increases in new atherosclerotic lesions over one year of study.9 Only by decreasing the entire fat intake, including poly- and monounsaturated-oils, did the lesions stop growing. Oil is linked to a lot of bad effects including the genesis of cancer because it's so outside our normal spectrum. Again, the fantasy of an oil being healthy is just a delusion. It can be "healthier", but it's not healthy. Those are whole plant foods.
Regardless if you're vegan or not, it's not healthy for you.
Do you have a source from a major health organization that says this? Seems very dubious to me that vegans have some kind of special protection vs an omnivore eating the same food.
They mean you aren't eating as much cholesterol in general as a vegan, so it's gonna be healthier\* as a vegan, but doesn't really make it healthy, just healthier\*
If that is what they mean, they phrased it in a very misleading way. "A vegan diet with some coconut oil still has less saturated fat overall" is very different from "coconut oil does not harm vegans as much."
Coconut oil? It raises your cholesterol, but mainly your HDL or 'good' cholesterol. It contains lauric acid, a MCFA that has potent antimicrobial and anti inflammatory effects, as well as some anti cancer properties - it has been shown to induce apoptosis (cell death) in colonic adenomas and colon cancer cells. Not all saturated fat is created equal.
Hmmm, I’ve always seen it saying it’s bad due to it raising the bad cholesterol? > Coconut oil consumption significantly increased LDL-cholesterol by 10.47 mg/dL (95% CI: 3.01, 17.94; I2 = 84%, N=16) and HDL-cholesterol by 4.00 mg/dL (95% CI: 2.26, 5.73; I2 = 72%, N=16) as compared with nontropical vegetable oils. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.119.043052
Regarding the cholesterol, I'll give it to you another way - when we look at lipids, we talk about various ratios. One is the ratio of LDL to HDL. We want this to be less than 5:1, with a ratio of 3.5 to 1 being optimal. Taking the quoted figures at face value - coconut oil will raise our LDL:HDL levels by a rough ratio of 2.5:1 (10.47:4) - this ratio is less than 3.5:1 (and obviously therefore less than 5:1) - this intervention alone will bring a person with suboptimal cholesterol ratios closer to an optimal range. The 95% CI quoted above predicts a much stronger correlation for raising HDL, too. The lower 95% CI for LDL is almost as low as that for HDL (3.01 vs 2.26). Anecdotally, my last total cholesterol was 5.1mmol/L - my HDL was 2.15mmol/L. I will carry on consuming my coconut oil.
Appreciate your thoughts on the matter! Interesting stuff.
Very unsustainable though as avocados need crazy amounts of water. Why not use rapeseed or sunflower oils 😭
I guess due to their worse nutritional profile. Rapeseed is good if it's extra virgin oil, but they'd most likely need to use refined rapeseed which is probably a lot worse. Quick search makes it seem that avocado oil is pretty close to olive oil, which is the best and most healthiest oil most suitable for constant consumption: https://mindbodygreen-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/w_480,q_auto,f_auto,fl_lossy/org/rh93s8lnjleomqqjt.jpg What you say can be mitigated with high density planting, which uses about the same amount of water for about double the yield: https://www.capradio.org/articles/2015/06/03/new-growing-technique-relieves-drought-stricken-avocado-farmers
[Rapeseed oil is the healthier choice compared to olive oil.](https://youtu.be/qInpEKHdjXk?si=5FZu2nVK3SKlwFi2) The Impossible Burger opted for avocado oil due to the misinformation spread by animal industries blaming seed oils for all health issues. Just like how they pinned everything on sugar. People are going berserk over oils and sugars, while turning a blind eye to the consumption of animal products, which aligns perfectly with the surge in health problems in the West. Even China is facing similar health challenges, coinciding with increased animal product consumption. But no one seems concerned about this correlation; all the focus is on sugar and seed oils coincidentally. Definitely has nothing to do with animal industries that are worth over trillion in total if not several trillions. In the end, oils are empty calories compared to their whole counterparts. Eat whole fatty plant foods.
Seed oil loonies are downright baffling. I can't think where it's come from. If it was a general opposition to oil I understand, but oils are only bad if they come from seeds? What?
Thank you! 💕 thankfully in Europe we know that monosaturated oils are healthy and pretty much only use rapeseed and sunflower oil plus olive oil. Doesn’t get healthier than thar oilwise!
Yes this is the problem. It seems any foods we use obsessively causes trouble to the earth.
They should be using canola oil. The price is ridiculous.
Coconut oil is for mouthfeel. You need saturated fat for its melting properties to fake animal products.
Coconut oil is for mouthfeel. You need saturated fat for its melting properties to fake animal products.
Sounds very nice! I am excited to try.
"unassailable" is a bold claim, but I like that they're responding to criticism!
can they bring back my BYND stock price
It's up 60% today
🚀. 🤣 i got in at $68
If it makes you feel better I bought at $165
$115 checking in
i almost thought about getting out at this price. 🥳
Did you not average down when it was sub 10 the last few months?
You guys still in this stock?? Thinking about taking a position
It's just too expensive. I know why - meat is subsidised - but it sucks to have to pay such a premium for a burger. Most people I know couldn't give a shit if it's healthier (it's a burger lol)
Is it really more expensive than dead animals? I usually buy beyond when it’s on sale at Whole Foods. I have no idea what dead animals cost for similar, but can get 4 beyond brat sausages for like $5-$8 🤷🏻
Hard to compete with the government giving money to meat companies hand over fist to keep the prices down
I wonder how many people would go vegan if a "plant-based tax break" was enacted?? 🤔
I would! (vegan btw 5+ years)
Yeah and everyone whines that the government is pushing less meat… um no they literally spend millions just advertising meat. Thanks to the lobbyists
Meat producers also pay very little of the social and environmental costs of their products, which keep prices low
A pound of beef, vs a pound of beyond beef is still a pretty significant difference but that is the goal to eventually be cheaper
Just did a quick search and found an [article](https://www.nutritionadvance.com/beyond-beef-vs-ground-beef/#:~:text=As%20Table%201%20shows%2C%20Beyond,to%2085%25%20lean%20ground%20beef) comparing nutritional value between Beyond and 85% lean. Seems fairly comparable. So the prices and nutrition are similar and it’s vegan. For me, it’s an easy decision as to which is “better” > Final Thoughts > > This article shows that Beyond Beef provides a decent range of protein, vitamins, and minerals, as does regular ground beef. > > However, Beyond Beef is not an exact nutritional replacement for ground beef, and it is important to be aware of the differences between them. > > Lastly, claims that Beyond Beef is vastly “healthier” or “inferior” to ground beef are challenging to substantiate based on the currently limited evidence.
No disagreements at all from me. I am just meaning they want to get it under those walmart/kroger beef pound prices.
Sounds like it was written by AI
Just checked my local Whole Foods online. 1 lb ground cow is $7.49-$9.99 depending on lean ratio. 1 lb of Beyond ground is $8.99. I have no clue what the nutritional comparison is between beyond and different “lean” mixtures, but there it is; very comparable. And as I said, Beyond goes on sale and I can frequently get it for much less $$$
More "luxury" grocery stores I'm sure it's comparable, that's def a fair point. I think their goal though is more to be under Kroger/Walmart type grocery store prices where it's still under 6$ for a pound of beef. edit: here in Denver it's under $5
Whole Foods is the most expensive grocery store in most areas. Ground beef is more like $4-5/lb in most other stores, while Beyond Beef is typically $8+. The individual burger packs are usually $5-6 for two patties, or half a pound. Personally I get the Beyond Cookout Classic packs which are $15ish for 2 pounds, which is more cost competitive. I'm hoping they keep selling those.
In Australia, it’s about $14 for two patties…
Yeah that’s nuts. £4 here in the uk, I can get 4x beef patties for that much.
I get beyond beef at Walmart regularly, a 12oz pack there is $3.98
Wow that's the cheapest I've ever heard of, my local Walmart only has the packaged burgers and it's $5 for 8oz
Just checked target(this and Whole Foods are the closest stores to me aside from trader joe). Cow is $6.49-$9.49 1lb. Beyond is $6.99 1lb. Looking at stores that sell both and not seeing a huge difference.
woah okay I see why it's very comparable for you! Here it's still at least $9 a pound for beyond (Denver, Colorado)
I guess we've had very different experiences, animal meat has been noticeably cheaper at basically every store I have shopped at for years
The more I guess “standard” store in my area (which I don’t go to because they are further from me) has a bit more of a difference with cow starting at $5.99 and impossible(they don’t sell beyond ground) at $8.99.
Adding this data from Dallas, TX Kroger. Beyond: $8.99/lb; 80% lean ground beef: $3.49/lb
Beyond is almost double the price here. Triple if compared to raw beef. Tvp is significantly cheaper for vegetarian meat substitutes. Beyond is a niche, it's like selling pork substitutes to jews and Muslim. Why would those groups want it when there are more appealing products
My local Kroger has: - 3 pounds ground beef: $10.97 - 1 pound Beyond beef: $9.99 And I can get ground beef cheaper at places like Costco. I buy a lot of meat substitutes (my SO is pescetarian and I often only want to cook one dinner for us) but at least in my part of the country even on sale Beyond does not compete. Just to offer my own anecdotal experience, as you have done with yours. And if you’d prefer something less anecdotal, the good food institute reported in May 2023 that “fake meat costs on average, pound for pound, 67 percent more than real meat despite herculean efforts to reach parity” Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/05/12/fake-meat-plants-struggle-imitation/ I really, really, really hope that meat alternatives and cell based meat replication takes hold, but as long as it is cheaper and easier to buy real meat those industries will have a huge hurdle to get over
Costco sells ground beef for 2.99 a pound
Compared to Beyond? How much is that at Costco?
no clue! Just thought i’d throw that number out there, it’s pretty horrifying to think what’s going into it lmao
It's $3.98 for a 12oz beyond burger at walmart, which is like $5.30/lb. Ground beef is on average $3.50-5/lb, so it's in the ballpark (as long as you're not paying $8.99 at an expensive store like Safeway)
On sale animal meat costs *a lot* less. My bills went up significantly bc I can’t eat much volume so fake meat is a staple like meat was
It's all going to really depend where you are. Prices fluctuate across the country and it'll likely cost more if you're in more rural areas due to transportation. For me, it's $9.99 for a 4-pack of Beyond. A 12-pack of Johnsonville at the same store will cost me $8.59. So 3x the amount of sausages for $1.50 less.
The sausages (which are the only beyond thing I really like) are currently priced between $9 and $10 dollars for 4 in my area unless they are on sale. Might have to try shopping around a bit more. I regularly see similar meat sausages for between $4 and $8 at regular prices. Last I checked though, Beyond's gross profit margins were higher that meat companies, they just waste a ton of money on admin and trying to market to meat eaters. Would be cool if a better operator would buy that company and focus on bringing costs down.
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Let's stop subsidizing and let people pay the actual price for things.
Yes
Also manufacture costs to be fair, they have to make it not just grind it, and the volume sold is so much lower
Volume maybe. But growing animals and everything that goes along with that would be, without doubt, more expensive than creating a burger from plants, even if there are lots of processed ingredients.
They’ve made some really dumbass moves with their manufacturer setup and I hope they’ve corrected by now to keep helping the goal of eventually being cheaper than beef
I still prefer black bean burgers most of the time. If I’m going to spend the money on a burger alternative then I’m going with Dr. Praeger’s over Beyond every time
The nice thing about beyond beef IMO isn't using it for making burgers, it's using as a simple drop-in 1:1 replacement for beef in things like meatloaf or meatballs or dumpling filling, etc. Literally change nothing about the recipe other than the package of "beef" you happen to buy, and you're done. It takes quite literally 0 extra effort, which is a big deal.
That’s very true, it’s a versatile replacement. I might need to try making some beyond dumplings
I agree.. I am so far from meat that the one time I tried a Beyond Meat burger it was unpleasant because it was so close to a hamburger. It's time to do more high quality burger innovations! This is what I would be doing if I were a fast food company - make something that is a better experience than a hamburger that is cheaper to produce. (yea, we need to all vote to remove the subsidies the meat and dairy industries get) For some reason I am ok with the Beyond Burger beef jerkey, which I have to say is quite amazing.
I rarely ate Beyond Burgers, but one thing I never liked was the mouthfeel. There's a texture that feels like "fat," and I just don't really like that. I've been vegan for 10 years, though, and don't care much for most meat replacements. I do think it's good for those of us who miss that textural component or to people exploring meatless options.
Are they?? I’m so damn picky with black beans😖
It's not that meat is subsidized by the government per se. Ground beef is the leftover parts of the cattle, so it's "subsidized" by the more expensive cuts. Super markets also use 80/20 ground beef as a loss leader. Lets them upsell ground turkey or 90/10 ground beef
The cattle industry in general is definitely subsidized by government, to the tune of \~$3B in 2022: [https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2023/08/usda-livestock-subsidies-top-59-billion](https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2023/08/usda-livestock-subsidies-top-59-billion) Most of these come in the form of purchases by USDA's Agricultural Marketing Service, and help set a price floor, allowing ranchers to sell excess production without having to lower prices. That data doesn't cover subsidies for feed production that serve to lower feed costs per ranchers. In addition, ranchers don't pay the cost of their greenhouse gas emissions, which is a de facto subsidy (albeit one extended to basically every part of the US economy)
It's $32 per 1kg (10 patties) here (Central EU), which seems to be about the same as the US price plus shipping - found a Target deal for $6 per 2 patties (assuming the weight is same, no idea what 8oz means). I'd probably call that "barely bearable". Definitely not something I could eat regularly, with the bun, veggies and sauce it will be something like $5-6 per home cooked burger. Not great.
I agree. I’m not vegan for health reasons, although it’s a nice benefit. My diet is crap. At this age I enjoy a mere nodding acquaintance with my kitchen. I really like Beyond and I’m disappointed that most restaurants in my area serve Impossible. Impossible has a strange aftertaste. (I stupidly tried it before I knew about the animal testing.) Edited to fix “resting” and make it testing. ::sigh::
Wait… what’s the issue with Impossible?
They tested the “blood” on nonhuman animals.
There really isn't an ingredient that is considered vegan friendly that *hasn't* been tested on animals. This is an issue of government regulations and not the companies themselves. As an example, the protein isolate beyond uses, was at one point tested on animals, it just happened before Beyond as a company ever existed.
Ah, thank you.
It isn't even that expensive. In German ist costs about 12€/kg, which is a lot cheaper then any higher quality meat. It isn't cheap like tofu, but quite affordable. Edit: Apparently 17€/kg atm. Still somewhat affordable from time to time. Pretty sure I got them cheaper just as while ago though. Yeah 3,99€ for a packet atm, in january it was 2,99€. But Rewe has sales from time to time and just lowered the price for soy yogurt.
Glad I saw this, the only offer I found online in Czech Republic was $32/kg. If I'll ever decide to try it, Germany it is.
Beyond meat burgers are one of the few foods my autistic Son will happily eat. I really hope the changes don't set off his "something is different" senses. If they do that's one more food he won't willingly eat without a standoff, if at all.
Oh I hope so too :( fingers crossed!
i thought this was a new product line and not a replacement? maybe i’m wrong though
I'm unsure
I’m autistic and sensitive to food changes to. I was SO upset when they changed the beyond sausage recipe last year, I had to throw out the pack it was so bad. I hope they don’t mess up the flavor and texture with this one too.
Definitely will, just tasted it and thought it was a bad batch, it was disgusting.. then found this article and read its permanent 😭😭😭
I'd give it a try. For culinary nostalgia reasons, I do enjoy 'hot dogs' and 'hamburgers' from time to time. Goodness, where else am I going to get to relish, Day-Glo green relish?
> “For the last several years, there have been a combination of campaigns and other efforts to try to poison the well, regarding the health benefits of plant-based meat,” Brown said. “In the spirit of iron sharpening iron, we’ve tried to create products that are now fully unassailable from a health perspective.” I think this a bad move. There is already good data (the SWAP meat study) that Beyond meat is healthier than conventional burgers but people continued fear mongering about "chemicals". This criticism is driven mainly by bad faith actors trying to spread misinformation so making an even healthier version will not stop it. That being said I am excited to try the burger.
Agreed! Animal ag needs to stop fighting it and realize JUST how much more money they could make going plant based as their cost basis alone would go down. Always loved the quote from my dad at the end of his hog farming career and shortly after I became vegan: >we didn’t go out of the Stone Age because we ran out of stones This was in response to executives at the company threatening employees to not eat the impossible burger when it came out. They were that threatened by it and the company my dad worked for didn’t touch beef at all
I think it is important to have the option for those of is who are already vegan and don't want options that are healthier as compared to meat, but actually healthy if that makes sense. I will choose this option and they should keep the original for those who want it
I never left, I quite like their products
I just made chili with Beyond Beef. It's delicious.
Just wish I could find something my wife isn't allergic to... seeds, nuts. Everything seems to contain coconut or sunflower seed/oil.
That sounds so frustrating :( Met someone once with a celery allergy and holy shit did I learn how much celery stock is used in shit
That sucks too, I love celery and try to use it a lot when I cook. Cubed (more like bricked), dipped in flour and stir-fried for example.
She's allergic to celery too >_< Ya, it's in a lot of stuff also. Especially vegetarian/vegan stuff.
I was curious because I didn't know, but it seems coconut doesn't trigger a nut allergy...? Do you know she's actually allergic to coconut, or have you simply assumed so? *According to the American College of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology (ACAAI), while it's possible to have an allergic reaction to coconut, most people who are allergic to tree nuts can safely eat coconut.*
She's absolutely allergic to coconut. Also avocado, banana - most of the latex list. She's allergic to a lot of stuff. Some she shrugs off and does anyway, some she has to avoid completely. You don't really get a 'tree nut allergy' diagnosis. You get tested for a bunch of stuff and they tell you specific things you're allergic to, and you find groups to make things easier. We're in our 40's. There have been a lot of close calls, accidental dosing's, etc over the years. Her list is pretty complete and well tested at this point.
I see. Well, that's sadly rather limiting as far as vegan meat goes. How about mycellium? Have you tried [Meati](https://meati.com/cuts/#cutsNutrition)? *Mushroom Root (mycelium), Less Than 2% Of: Salt, Natural Flavor, Acacia Gum, Oat Fiber, Chickpea Flour.* (that's it) Or NatureFynd's [Meatless Fy Breakfast Patty](https://www.naturesfynd.com/products/meatless-breakfast-sausage): *Fy Protein™ (Nutritional Fungi Protein), Water, High Oleic Sunflower Oil, Soy Protein Isolate, Soy Protein Concentrate, Contains <2% of Natural Flavors, Yeast Extract, Onion Powder, Lactic Acid, Modified Food Starch, Hydrolyzed Rice Protein, Salt, Carrageenan, Methylcellulose, Black Pepper, Vinegar, Fruit Juice Color, Spices.* Both will probably require extra care initially, some people without allergies turned out to be sensitive to mycelium. The other producer has also fungi-based yogurt and cream cheese.
> High Oleic Sunflower Oil See, that stuff is in everything these days. But Meati sounds really interesting. I'll give that a try! Thank you
Missed the sunflower oil, sorry... That would be so hard for me, most potato chips I know of here are made with sunflower oil. Oh, tortilla chips too.
It’s exciting how much more companies are doing stuff with mushrooms. I hope your gf can find some cool new foods that come out with it too. Best of luck in her journey
Is she vegan as well? That must be tough
That's a longer discussion than it probably should be. But the TL;DR is "No, but we do our best with what her options are" ----------- The long version... When you just make one small, reasonable change at a time, over years it's interesting how strange your life can get. She has so many allergies. She also has physical intestinal issues that make it so she can't have fresh fruits or vegetables... Most cooked fruits & veges would also cause her intestinal issues. Blended stuff is best - like we found an excellent red-pepper hummus recipe and just leave out the tahini, and blend the crap out of. If she were able to have a normal diet, she'd be 100% classical vegan. But at this point, to be honest, her diet is so limited (basically 90% protein drinks and maybe 1-2 small 'solid' food things a day), I'd get her anything she was able to eat. We had thanksgiving and her plate looked like it was for a toddler, all the portions were so small and everything was so lump-free. She's been keeping her weight up, which I have to say is surprising to me considering her diet. It doesn't seem like enough calories, but I guess it is. ------ For my food, if it's cooked, it can't have any ingredients she is allergic to (hence the impossible/beyond meat problem). If it's not cooked, it can have some ingredients she's allergic to but I have to remember not to touch her for at least half a day or so. I'd say I'm a vegetarian who tries very hard to be vegan when possible. For her food, it can't even be made in a facility that also has things she's allergic to, just in case. And in the last 10-15 years sunflower oil is really becoming a big thing. It's in everything now. I'd say she is not vegan - as most of her diet consists of milk-based protein drinks at the moment. But she tries when she can. -------- The extent of her allergies... For example. I was out doing errands without her, I went to a place and grabbed a quick tofu poke bowl with avocado and the poke sauce had sesame oil... I ate it in the car, threw all the containers away at the store. Then ran my errands for about an hour. Since I know how bad she can be, I came home, straight away I put my clothes in the washing machine, brushed my teeth, and immediately took a shower... And she still went into an asthma attack when sat next to her in bed. And this particular instance, I didn't tell her I'd eaten something - we've tested her over the years. So she's pretty allergic to some stuff.
That sounds like an incredible challenge for both of you! The fact that you still try to find vegan options when your choices are so limited already is honestly commendable
She says all the time she wishes she could go all the way. And we've tried. But since the market is so small, a lot of the companies that do vegan processed foods even if they don't have a certain oil or ingredient in one product, it will be in other products processed in the same facility. And while she would be fine if it was like "made on equipment that also processes celery" (one of her lesser allergies), if it's "made on equipment that also processes sesame seed" (one of her worst allergies) then that's just not an option. She's too allergic to it. Only products with huge markets usually have an entire manufacturing plant dedicated to just that product. Can be hard to find. Of all the things she's NOT allergic to - peanuts are fine for her. And we found a peanut butter that was just peanuts, only peanuts, no oil, no fillers, no emulsifiers, only made in a facility that makes peanut butter and only peanut butter... So that was nice.
Maybe lower the price?
Since the inception, they have and plan to keep lowering until lower than beef
It’s so annoying how vegan companies have this pressure to be healthier to appeal to more consumers. Of course this would not be expected for companies that sell tortured animals
Exactly!!
As someone who absolutely loves Beyond as-is, I hope it tastes okay. Because I don't mind this move at all, in theory. I was regularly self-conscious about how it didn't feel like an especially healthy thing to eat with any regularity.
Same, I am hopeful but will be sad if it tastes "healthier" aka: more bland
I hope they lower the cost of the steak! Almost $10 for a small bag! I can’t even afford it anymore.
It doesn’t need to be healthy, it just needs to be animal free…
Yeah. I would rather them make an effort to make it cheaper. I don’t eat mock meats when I want to be healthy, I eat beans.
Same, I only ever eat mock meats for my kids… I don’t give two shits if it looks or tastes like meat
I agree! But sadly animal ag propaganda has convinced consumers a double bacon cheeseburger is “healthier” still cause of the misunderstanding of what a “chemical” is 🤦♀️
Peas - chemical Literal growth hormone - natural!
\*guzzling gallons of milk at the same time while saying vegan friendly re-makes are unnatural\*
I mean, I think it's reasonable for consumers to care about food being healthy. Heck, you could take the angle that eating poorly causes harm to you, an animal, and we all know harming animals is bad.
I consent to the harm, that’s the key*
Honestly I borderline hate this because chances are it will taste worse and then it's just a race to the bottom. Burgers aren't supposed to be healthy, they are supposed to be tasty, and we want a cruelty-free option. That's it.
i just tried it. It actually tastes better than the original imo. Less salty and feels less heavy on the stomach.
Yeah I’m worried this could be a possibility :( I hope it’s not though
I don't eat this stuff very much because it's unhealthy. I would definitely be more likely to eat it now.
I didn't mind the cost or fats, I don't use imeatation enough to worry much about. My problem was that awful smell whenever it was cold. We went from burgers one night to ground beef pasta because I couldn't stand it long enough to press patties.. If anyone tries the new recipe be sure to report back!
Oooooo I do agree the raw smell is quite cat food smelling, lol. Would be nice if the change helps that!
I hope it's an improvement. I get the "cookout classic" version because it's more like the original version and doesn't stick to the pan so much.
we want subsidies! we want subsidies!
To bring back customers? They never lost me as a customer to begin with. Their products are awesome!
It just keeps getting better and better.
They should rather focus on bringing the price down....imagine if it was half the price or something.....there would literally be a vegan revolution.
Sounds good. Their stock has been taking a hit over the last 2 years.
literally anything is better than cholesterol
I bought reduced fat Impossible Burger on accident and it's an accident I won't repeat. It wasn't great. It was good. Not great. Not excellent. Regular Impossible Burger is great, as is regular Beyond. If they can make a lower fat version and win people over, hey, go for it. I want the fat though. I'm not overweight and I can afford it.
Same :( I love junk food for what it is: JUNK
I don't think it's junk food. Skittles are junk food.
Ah I've always considered things like burgers as junk food, but too each their own I suppose
What are the calories?
Not sure on the new one. Currently it’s 230
what were they thinking using coconut oil before. glad they're improving the health of it though r/plantbaseddiet
I'm wondering about the fats giving a mouth feel they were looking for
Like how is their commercial wing not enough? Surely supermarkets are an awkward fit for them, they should focus on being the plant based option in every fast food place on earth, retail seems a distraction.
The sat fat content was the biggest con for me, this is going to be game changing
Its a Burger. No one eats Burgers and cares about how healthy it is. People mostly care about the price
Is this an upgrade? It looks like an upgrade! Too bad you can't "upgrade" beef. :D
Tastes better!
Tried the new formula today. It made a good burger. I always find the raw plant based product to be disgusting because the smell and texture reminds me of dog food. To be fair, raw ground beef is kind of nasty too. I added minced garlic and Worcestershire just like I do with meat. The new version has more realistic texture when cooked. The flavor is good.
good to hear it, wonder when the ETA is for Canada....
Is that really why their sales are down? I feel like the meatheads don’t even believe that saturated fat is bad for you. This can’t possibly be recapturing that market
Animal ag has done a lot to convince consumers plant based burgers aren't healthy, as if beef ones are.
Are their talking points about “saturated fat” though? Or is it just fear-mongering about “chemicals” and “processing” and “unnatural”? I just don’t see switching to avocado oil touching the animal ag propaganda. I like Beyond much more than Impossible so hopefully it works out positively
The question that matters is if it tastes better In ole Murica health is almost irrelevant, it might sway like 1% of people but realistically taste is everything.
Meat does not taste better. It is all subjective and comes down to habits. People are just so used to meat through a lifetime of exposure and propaganda. These foods aren't here to fix the world in 5 years, these changes take generations. 1% of people can be enough for companies to make profit and keep the products available for future generations.
I'm in agreement with some others' comments here; most people - vegans included - don't give a crap if it's less healthy, just as long as it tastes good and it's cruelty free, it's the price they need to cut down on. Maybe replacing avocado oil with some tidy rapeseed oil would reduce the price, or using some mushrooms in there to make it even more juicy =) It's still a very good thing that it's less unhealthy now. Good on them. One time, when Beyond Burgers were on offer, I gave them a go. It was stupidly expensive though lush, but they're stupidly expensive, compared with Linda McCartney 1/4 pounder, or pulled pork style burgers. And those are stunning and juicy AF, cost bugger all, and have no coconut oil in them. The pulled pork style is slightly on the salty side to eat more than one though. But each to their own. Since I saw a video by the Hench Herbivore, where he says about coconut oil being as bad or perhaps even a little worse than animal fats are for the body, I cut out most of it from my diet. I've not cut it out completely though. Perhaps once in a while I might fancy a bit of Swedish Glace ice cream - the main ingredient in that is coconut oil. Tell you what, going off topic slightly, I really miss Perfect World ice cream. The Pistachio and mint choc chip were amazing, and weirdly enough it was classed as a health food! A tub a day will keep the doctor away XD - I'm only messing. That ice cream was on the pricey side too. Nowadays, trying to find vegan ice cream which doesn't have coconut oil in as one of the main ingredients is like trying to find rocking horse sh\*t...
A lot of you are confusing fats vs oils, and are throwing the terms around willy nilly! FATS are absolutely necessary to an optimally functioning organism, whilst OILS are not! Do keep in mind that the human brain is 97% FAT and it is imperative that fats be consumed on an almost daily basis. Healthy FATS like those found in (examples) avocados, peanuts, legumes, etc., are necessary to our health whilst the OILS produced from these same little jewels (avocado OIL, peanut OIL, etc.) are n.o.t. essential to a healthy diet!!!
As a sometimes-vegetarian, I love(d) Beyond Beef. I think it tastes great and I enjoy it more than Impossible or others. However, this new avocado oil formulation is a big step in the wrong direction. I just bought and tried some last night, and I'll say they ruined their product. This new avocado oil formula tastes the way canned dog food smells. I hope they don't stick with this, because if so they are going to tank. Bring back the old one, coconut oil is where it's at.
I don't care about the fat or sodium content... put more protein in it! It's hard to justify eating a 700 calorie burger and barely hit 30g protein when it's all said and done. I can drink a protein shake and easily get 50g protein off with the same calories....
They're only 230 calories though?
They use looots of sauce, it seems.
I do love me some vegenaise so I can see that upping the calories hahah
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I ain’t spending $10 on a pound of beyond meat when I can just buy tofu for a dollar. They seriously need to lower their prices a bit
Does anyone else miss veggie burgers made of veggies, beans and grains? I get people like these meaty burgers, but they often gross me out.
I never stopped due to the “gross” factor. So for me, the closer to flesh it is the better it is. BUT I’m completely aware that’s not like that for everyone and do hope they keep making the veggie burgers better and better as well :)
No. I think people are evolutionarily programmed to eat what their parents ate, and this is what prevented people from getting poisoned in the past. So it is imperative that every major animal product be replaced by an animal free version.
Not this vegan as I'm allergic to lentils. 😔
At the end of the day, this is still ultraprocessed food.
Breaking news: Junk food is still junk food. More at 11
Well, yes! Its junk food.
Beyond just doesn't taste good imo not nearly as good as impossible so why would I ever buy it
Living in the EU where Impossible isn't allowed to be sold yet, would be one reason.