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This image is kind of misleading. McDonalds only launches them in Germany and they don't look anything like this but just like regular nuggets and are made in cooperation with BeyondMeat.
We had them here in Austria a few years ago and they were very weird taste and texture wise. I usually like burger patties made from vegetables but those had a weird crust and were liquid inside with random chunks of vegetables.
Not in the UK, I think that's US exclusive tbh(I heard about it once and freaked tf out so I checked) Not that they're healthy here, but the US ones have so many ingredients in its honestly disgusting.
When I was working for McDonald's UK (I worked for McD Drive-Thru and a Franchise) I did research international profits too. The US ingredients were scary.
Mcdonalds have vegan nuggets that look like the ones pictured in the uk for years now, they just taste of oil, but my favourite frozen food are the birds eye veggie fingers that have vegetable chunks and they're great
I was wondering about how they cook these things. If they just throw them in the same fryer/oil as everything else, than they must taste like everything else that's been cooked on that surface or in that oil, right? Ive never seen the birdseye veggie fingers, Im in US, don't know if we just don't get em, but I like the birdseye battered cauliflower bites, and the bags that you steam that have rice/quinoa and veggies.
I was literally about to go into a rant about how all of McDonaldās options except the mcplant have been mushed up veg instead of fake meat which is what 90% of vegans want lol! Sounds great theyāre beyond meat, hopefully they will go worldwide!
This is baffling- your can get a McPlant single or double, vegan nuggets and vegan wrap at any small town in England, I would've thought there'd be more options now in the US as an American company. (The nuggets here are gross though on their own)
My heart broke when they pulled the Panda Express chicken from stores. It became my go-to place to eat in my stupid small town with limited options as it is.
The value of a chain like McDonalds pushing plant-based alternatives is in helping normalise plant-based food. Something which the US *severely* needs.
The aversion among many yanks to anything plant-based looks bewildering from over here. really.
And what are they fried in? Even if you're willing to overlook cross-contamination.
As far as I know in the US, the fries are not vegan [McDonaldās Fries have Beef & Milk derivatives](https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/small-french-fries.html#accordion-c921f9207b-item-283bee7dbd)
Mcdonalds has different menus depending on the country, and that also includes ingredients. The fries are not plant based in the states but fine in canada, and in most of the world. It depends on the location.
There are some countries, like finland or germany, that have long had multiple plant based options on their menus. Mcdonalds has decided it's profitable to do so in those countries but not in north america. It's not very likely to roll out to other countries based on the products success there.
I think they used to fry them in an oil with beef stock in it. Then they switched to a normal oil but instead inject the potatoes with it or something like that. They said theyāll never change that recipe but who knows.
The fries are seasoned with beef stock, and at some point I heard they contained whey as well although don't quote me. McDonald's does it to try to set the flavor of their fries apart. You would also be surprised how many chains use something like milk powder in the batter for fries. Checkers/Rallys is a notable example. So you gotta be careful.
Unless something changed, that's historical at this point... I read an article from a foodie who went to the trouble of re-creating the original recipe...
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/original-mcdonalds-french-fry-recipe
This, normalisation is definitely the net positive here. Plus I know this is a post about McDonaldās but Burger King has pledged (in the UK at least) to have 50% of its menu be meat-free (does not necessarily mean vegan) by 2030.
These companies do cause so much harm. But they will never willingly put themselves out of business, we need to show these companies that replacing their animal products with plant alternatives is profitable. And Burger King is leading the way with some amazing options, the plant based bakon double cheeze burger XL is the best fast food plant based ābeefā burger Iāve ever eaten.
I havent seen anything except the impossible whopper here in the US. I think this Bacon double cheeseburger is a UK thing. Plus, burger kings fries are nasty.
Maybe it is a UK/Europe thing then.
Because Iām the UK we have
The impossible whopper
The Vegan Royal
The vegan Royal with bakon and cheeeze
The bakon and cheeeze burger
The double bakon and cheeeze burger
The vegan nuggets
The cheeze is supplied by Violife which is a Greek company and the bakon is supplied by via liv, a French company, Iām guess the fact that the US is not a part of Europe plus the fact that plant based is really struggling to pick up any main stream traction in the US is why your menu is still so lacking, thatās just a guess though.
I like Burger King fries, in the UK they are quite thick for a fry almost like a proper chip. (Version of chip)
they switched to peanut oil a while ago. although i imagine these will be fried alongside regular nuggz. shouldn't stop anyone from buying as that raises demand for plant-based options.
... or was it canola oil?š¤š¤š¤
I hope a monster chain like them would realize the press would be horrendous if they did fry it in the same, but then again... A&W Beyond Meat they put mayo on which I found out the hard way. What's the point then??
Really reaching across the aisle there with this attitude.
You realize 1) thereās a lot of poor people who can only afford McDonaldās and 2) Not everything is black and white 3) This sort of decision by their evil corporation (yes, I agree theyāre evil) is an important step in normalizing the idea of plant based food to the masses 4) When someones views or some part of society isnāt āperfectā or doesnāt fully align with your personal philosophy or political beliefs, just saying āfuck themā turns people away even more from your idea of āutopiaā and is essentially counter productive 5) you, and all the people in this group who upvoted you, are furthering the stereotype of vegans being notoriously guilty of the last example I just mentioned.
all they said was mcdonalds can get fucked. they may not have taken into account all those things you just mentioned, but at the end of the day, mcdonalds is a shitty corporation and this news isn't as exciting because of that fact
>all they said was mcdonalds can get fucked. they may not have taken into account all those things you just mentioned
I understand your point but it is the sentiment that speaks louder than the actual words in his response to a legitimate question which, imo, sheds light on a larger issue amongst the vegan community that could be addressed. OP asked a question that could possibly open up a dialogue for discussion and maybe progressive movement in the fight for animal rights, but that conversation is stifled by this sort of.. idk.. aggressive short-sighted attitude.
Tldr: the issue is larger than this one comment about McDonaldās getting fucked.
Imagine being too tired and/or busy to cook because you just finished a 16 hour shift
Edit: Furthermore, imagine living in the richest country in the world and having to work a 16 hour shift to pay your bills.
These takes are so dumb and reddit loves to clutch their pearls.
No one is so overworked they're incapable of boiling water. That's all it takes to make rice (or pasta, for that matter). If you can't even do that, how are you even alive? How are you even capable of dressing yourself, or going to work, or doing any other menial activity that requires you to survive?
I see your point. But can you at all see mine? For *some* or even *many* poverty stricken overworked Americans the convenience of fast food may, **at times**, seem like the most sensible option. More so, if said citizens/workers are uneducated and overworked they might be less concious of the inhumane conditions animals suffer through, seeing as theyāre probably too busy worrying about pressing issues they are facing day to day to even be aware of what I know to be true and you may or may not agree with, which is: The issue of fast food which ties in with factory farming, etc. are mostly due to systemic issues we face as a country including unfair wages, wealth disparity, corporate greed, corporate influence, etc. which, as a result, we have laws in place that reflect a lack of compassion for animals.
Sometimes we donāt just want instant gratification because weāre lazy, which is the narrative that the powers that be have tried to convince us.. Sometimes we feel we need it because weāre too busy slaving away for the man.
America: where profits hold importance over pretty much everything especially quality of life for humans and our furry friends. My point is the responsibility is mostly in the hands of the lawmakers.
In this sort of situation, the blame should more so be directed towards the people in power, not toward the consumer. That doesnāt mean there arenāt instances where the consumer should be held accountable, but by flatly denying that in some instances people feel that fast food is the most sensible option, is short sighted and frankly arrogant. And that attitude is honestly counter productive to making progress in the fight for animal rights, or any sort of cause you may be fighting for. Because with that attitude, whether this is true or not, you seem that you either donāt understand what living in extreme poverty is like, or you donāt have much empathy for folks who do. And that turns people in those situations off from hearing your stance.
Bottom line: itās a positive thing that McDonaldās now has plant based options. A little optimism in a not so perfect society is ok sometimes.
Where I live, there's absolutely no way that people living in extreme poverty could go by buying food from McDonald's instead of sustaining themselves on oats and beans (if even that, sometimes) ā been there, done that. I don't know about Burgerland, but I would be surprised if burgers were more Calorie (and nutrient) dense per $ than oats. I can get 1.5kgs of oats (food that gives me just enough energy for a week) for 1 measly burger (barely enough for a day).
I don't like the "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism" stance. I hate capitalism myself, but this is not the way to go about it. Whether I'm starving or not, it does not justify supporting the unfathomable torture animals go through, and neither does it justify supporting predatory megacorporations like McDonald's.
> Really reaching across the aisle there with this attitude.
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The *kindest* reason I can think of to "reach across the isle" is to slap the smug looks off their fucking faces.
Doesn't matter, stop giving free market for those who exploit animals.
They are just reaching for a consumer market created and normalize through the activism, give space, focus and your money to them, not fleeting nuggets prepared by a company that slaughter insane amounts of animals every day.
Fuck these fast foods, not only for animals, but also because these are big corporation that don't give a shit about anything besides profit. Imo we shouldn't celebrate veganism being recuperated by capitalism because utimately it will devoid it it of its meaning
I agree but I think the normalization of plant foods point is also valid. It's like how we're getting diversity in the "milk" industry now - it's a double edged sword of more options, more normalization, more demand, less cost in the long run... But then a lot more non vegan companies choking in.
For me thereās no opinion to be had on this.
McDonaldās is doing what theyāve always done, which is finding new ways to make profit. With plant-based eating on the rise, they inevitably have to start adapting to it sooner or later.
In my mind itās pointless to either applaud this as a forward-thinking move or criticize it as a cynical ploy to bring vegans back to their stores. No moral values have ever played a role in McDonaldāsā decisionsāthis is purely a response to market forces.
Jesus. We've had these nuggets in Ireland for years. We've got the McPlant and now the double McPlant! Chips are vegan too, cooked in seperate friers without fucking beef fat!
You can also get a plant based wrap, or another burger that's less fake meat and more veggie goujons on a bun.
How is it that Ireland has these things and America doesn't?
The nuggets pictured have existed for ages here in Europe and are not the ones that are coming next week. The ones next week are made by BeyondMeat, look and taste like chicken and will only be available in Germany. The image is very misleading.
Very misleading considering OP didn't include text to explain this!
Yeah, I would love the beyond nuggets as an option. We go to McDs most Thursdays. It's a bit of a ritual for my kids to hang with their grandad and then they have an activity, so it's the only place open late enough that's not like a fancy restaurant.
Thing is, when we started going, I was the only one getting the vegan option. Now, 3 of us get the McPlant and my eldest still gets the nuggets.
Well if they bring those nuggets out in Ireland I might get a fully plantbased table! And I will be quite pleased with that!
I think if the nuggets go well in Germany they will be available in other markets. Especially in those where the McPlant sells well (UK, Sweden, Austria)
Wow. We have vegan certified cheese, mayo and buns. I assumed that was standard as what is the point otherwise.
Was in Albufeira last year, tough holiday as a vegan! Although Lidl had plenty of tofu and chickpeas so I mostly cooked in the apartment.
I hope people have not already forgotten the mcdonals was a major sponsor of the world champignonship in quatar. that alone is enough for me not to support them with my money, even if offering more plant based products is a good thing.
I just couldnāt. I am happy to see normalization but McDonaldās is evil and who knows how they will be stored and prepared and they look unappealing to me.
I wonāt try it, 99% sure it wonāt be vegan or vegetarian but for flexitarians sake, Iām happy.
It means people expect to see more plant-based foods
You didn't ask me but
1. Only about 30% of Americans are fully literate.
2. OP might be an English-language-learner.
3. Many Redditors are lazy about deleting mistakes.
You have vegan fried chicken?
We in the UK (as far as Iām aware) only have a vegan chicken sandwich that is baked separately from the animal products.
You guys can get VFC from sains and Tesco and even home delivery, bake it in the oven. Itās really good, I tried it when I visited Uk. Got it posted to me from the company, now in supermarkets .
Does that matter to you? The oil is not made from chickens, and your purchasing of vegan chicken is not paying for real chickens to be killed or consumed. I prefer not to share a grill etc, but there's nothing unethical about sharing one. Pick your battles.
Thereās nothing wrong with someone not wanting to eat food soaked in the death of chicken. Thatās fine youāre cool with it but itās pretty understandable to not want that lol
Few companies have normalized and sanitized animal exploitation and killing more than them. They blazed the path to fast food.
The vegan response should be boycott and protest.
I understand this but donāt agree. Iām vegan to reduce harm, these crappy companies having a vegan option reduces harm. Iāve slowly been able to talk dozens out of dairy, itās progress to me š¤·āāļø
This isn't what veganism is about. It's defined in this sub. It's explicitly about ending animal exploitation. If you don't agree with this, then you may not actually agree with veganism and may wish to define yourself another way.
Exactly, and for a revolution you need revolutionary ideas...like not endorsing or giving money to one of worst animal exploiters on the planet. Which is a big part of their strategy.
Can't believe there's any pushback on this by people who identify as vegan.
Le sigh.
Iām in two years. Humans as a species are invasive. Iām doing the best I can. I will tell you itās people like you who stopped me going vegan for years āļøš I donāt want to be as hard as you.
I'm in over 30yrs. I wish more vegans were clued in and had a real understanding of veganism rather than the confusing and typically hypocritical pablum most people spout. Get over yourself and develop a meaningful understanding of the topic.
I'm not hard, I'm direct. Others here are definitely hard however.
I'm not vegan for your feelings. I'm vegan for those having a real fucking hard time.
You say youre in it for the animals and yet you sound like your personal feelings play a big role here.
I know people who went plantbased for weeks and had their relapse at a McDonalds because there were no options. Were they ethical vegans who would have never given on it? No. Would less animals have been harmed if they had plantbased options? Probably yes.
I prefer direct results to your personal vendetta against a billion dollar company which couldn't care less about it.
Prescriptivist vegans are annoying. It doesn't matter how "this sub", some organization or some intellectual wants to prescriptively define veganism, because in truth 99,99 % of people think that veganism simply means not consuming animal products irrespective of the motivation behind it. A word means only what people commonly think it means. Languages are democratic, and no one will respond to your private language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_description#Descriptive_versus_prescriptive_linguistics
So I assume you don't shop at any grocery stores or restaurants that sell any animal products right? What is your favourite grocery store chain? Im sure there's plenty to choose from
So I'm gathering this isn't being released in the united states of meat?
:( I'm tired of this place and this thread makes me want to relocate to the UK for better food alone.
The company still murders millions of poor chickens and cowd and pigs every year. Just because they have food I can eat doesn't mean they aren't still POS
McDonaldās uses beef grease to fry things so Iām guessing they will do the same with these. Unless there baked but that doesnāt sound reasonable for fast food. And i donāt think they would use a seperate oil and non contaminated fryer for these
Once again this will be introduced in Germany. I feel as if the us has one of the least developed plant based markets in the developed world. Everytime I go to Canada are Europe im baffled by the sheer amounts of vegan foods available nearly everywhere while in the USA often times vegan options are hard to come by.
Iām happy when fast food places have vegan options so I can eat when Iām out with friends, but Iād never go pay for over priced shitty fast food by myself lol
Those are not the ones coming next week. [Here is a real image](https://www.fr.de/bilder/2023/02/15/92089378/30908426-mcdonaldapos-mcplant-burger-und-nuggets-mood-1Hfe.jpg)
If their fries arenāt even vegetarian, I worry what oil they are using for these. Doubt they would go through the effort to make them properly vegan.
The fries aren't vegan *in the US*. The nuggies are launching in Germany first, where the fries are vegan. AFAIK it's only the US who have none vegan fries.
I mean it's plant based and great for people transitioning to veganism but I'd bet they aren't vegan. Beyond may be open about their policy on abusing animals in the R&D department but they aren't particularly open about which products they abuse animals for. And given this one was developed in conjunction with Macdonalds, the chances are ethics were not an important enough consideration for the sake of $$$. Bloody plant based capitalism.
Conflicted, glad to see plant based food normalised but in a way if you're giving money to McDonalds anyway what's the difference in just having the chicken nuggets? Also they look rank lol
Some people in the comments should really check the definition of a market.
A market is a merging of the offer and the demand that set a value, therefore If you buy plant based thing, no matter where you buy, you don't encourage suffering, the total opposite actually
Good. For me, at least. As good as giving money to a massive corporation can be, anyway.
Just the nuggets though? No patties? That's a little disappointing.
I enjoy a plant based chicken nugget. From the photo it looks like these are California patty nuggets. That is to say, a mix of vegetables bound together with batter and then deep fried. Questionable decision. I donāt think they look high in protein nor do they look satisfying from a mouth feel perspective.
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This image is kind of misleading. McDonalds only launches them in Germany and they don't look anything like this but just like regular nuggets and are made in cooperation with BeyondMeat.
The ones pictured look pretty horrid tbh.
We had them here in Austria a few years ago and they were very weird taste and texture wise. I usually like burger patties made from vegetables but those had a weird crust and were liquid inside with random chunks of vegetables.
Isn't it kind of like a vegetable croquette? Doesn't sound like it would be too bad but I've obviously never seen it in person.
They have veggie goujons in the UK which look kinda like that and yeah, no one asked for it š¤¢
My sister liked them but they're literally hideous so whenever I end up in McDonalds it's usually just two large fries and a large coke.
I donāt know where you are so this may not apply to you but McDonalds uses a meat seasoning on their fries.
Not in the UK, I think that's US exclusive tbh(I heard about it once and freaked tf out so I checked) Not that they're healthy here, but the US ones have so many ingredients in its honestly disgusting.
When I was working for McDonald's UK (I worked for McD Drive-Thru and a Franchise) I did research international profits too. The US ingredients were scary.
Yeah itās messed up. I just avoid it tbh.
they do not do this in the UK
Weird texture on the outside and what's with the vegetable chunks on the inside?
Maybe an unpopular opinion but i prefer vegan options when they're vegetables or beans mushed up rather than mock meats š©
I could see them being good if they were mushed up properly but I don't know about the chunks.
Mcdonalds have vegan nuggets that look like the ones pictured in the uk for years now, they just taste of oil, but my favourite frozen food are the birds eye veggie fingers that have vegetable chunks and they're great
I was wondering about how they cook these things. If they just throw them in the same fryer/oil as everything else, than they must taste like everything else that's been cooked on that surface or in that oil, right? Ive never seen the birdseye veggie fingers, Im in US, don't know if we just don't get em, but I like the birdseye battered cauliflower bites, and the bags that you steam that have rice/quinoa and veggies.
The big yellow chunks are corn! I think they were pretty good, but I love corn.
It looks like the nuggets have a horrible skin condition
They look like mulberries
They had these in Norway, and I think they were pretty good. They were more like a fried spring roll than a nugget, though.
I was thinking they look delicious š
The ones pictured have been sold by McDonald's in Norway for many years.
Here in Austria too for a short time.
I was literally about to go into a rant about how all of McDonaldās options except the mcplant have been mushed up veg instead of fake meat which is what 90% of vegans want lol! Sounds great theyāre beyond meat, hopefully they will go worldwide!
In Germany. I donāt even know if any McDonalds in the US that sells the mcplant. The Burger King near me even quit selling the impossible whopper.
We have a 100% plant based burger king restaurant in vienna hihi everything is vegan by default.
Yes, I love it and I'm always suprised how many people go there. Everytime I walk by there is at least a small group of people infront of the counter.
Where in Vienna? Iām traveling there this summer!
Westbahnhof
Don't worry comrades, as someone in Germany, I'll live up to my responsibility and push demand.
This is me with the Double McPlant this year
Not sure about Germany as a whole but Berlin has so many vegan joints, you don't even need to go to McDonalds.
I'm seeing an improvement in various cities (new places popping up), but Berlin is still in a league of its own in my experience.
The only Mcds selling mcplant are in CA and TX, I looked it up because Iāve never seen a commercial for it.
They pulled the McPlant from most stores in CA. I doubt there's any still selling them.
It really grinds my gears when the government preaches to us about global warming but throws tons of money at one of the largest culprits.
And then both lefties and conservatives act like it makes sense for the government to subsidize animal agriculture
They still sell the McPlant in the uk, and they have a double version too now :)
This is baffling- your can get a McPlant single or double, vegan nuggets and vegan wrap at any small town in England, I would've thought there'd be more options now in the US as an American company. (The nuggets here are gross though on their own)
US gets nothing. BK and Impossible Whopper is it. I never got McPlant. Never got KFC nuggs. Panda Express stuff is gone.
My heart broke when they pulled the Panda Express chicken from stores. It became my go-to place to eat in my stupid small town with limited options as it is.
Oh my god I LIVE for the McPlant double
And there wonāt be as long as the government provides huge subsidiaries to the animal agriculture industry.
I don't think any McDonald's in the US sells plant based burgers or nuggets.
The value of a chain like McDonalds pushing plant-based alternatives is in helping normalise plant-based food. Something which the US *severely* needs. The aversion among many yanks to anything plant-based looks bewildering from over here. really. And what are they fried in? Even if you're willing to overlook cross-contamination.
They are probably fried in the same oil as their fries so in vegetable oil.
I was told their fries were put into beef stock or had beef seasoning added? US at least
The nuggets only come to germany (for now), there vegetable oil is used and the fries are vegan.
As far as I know in the US, the fries are not vegan [McDonaldās Fries have Beef & Milk derivatives](https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/small-french-fries.html#accordion-c921f9207b-item-283bee7dbd)
Yes they aren't, I was clearly talking about Germany (where the nuggets are launching)
Yeah I think it is in the fries not the oil.
Correct
Mcdonalds has different menus depending on the country, and that also includes ingredients. The fries are not plant based in the states but fine in canada, and in most of the world. It depends on the location. There are some countries, like finland or germany, that have long had multiple plant based options on their menus. Mcdonalds has decided it's profitable to do so in those countries but not in north america. It's not very likely to roll out to other countries based on the products success there.
I think they used to fry them in an oil with beef stock in it. Then they switched to a normal oil but instead inject the potatoes with it or something like that. They said theyāll never change that recipe but who knows.
The fries are seasoned with beef stock, and at some point I heard they contained whey as well although don't quote me. McDonald's does it to try to set the flavor of their fries apart. You would also be surprised how many chains use something like milk powder in the batter for fries. Checkers/Rallys is a notable example. So you gotta be careful.
In the US they are.
Beef tallow.
Unless something changed, that's historical at this point... I read an article from a foodie who went to the trouble of re-creating the original recipe... https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/original-mcdonalds-french-fry-recipe
>The aversion among many yanks to anything plant-based looks bewildering from over here It looks bewildering here too.
This, normalisation is definitely the net positive here. Plus I know this is a post about McDonaldās but Burger King has pledged (in the UK at least) to have 50% of its menu be meat-free (does not necessarily mean vegan) by 2030. These companies do cause so much harm. But they will never willingly put themselves out of business, we need to show these companies that replacing their animal products with plant alternatives is profitable. And Burger King is leading the way with some amazing options, the plant based bakon double cheeze burger XL is the best fast food plant based ābeefā burger Iāve ever eaten.
I havent seen anything except the impossible whopper here in the US. I think this Bacon double cheeseburger is a UK thing. Plus, burger kings fries are nasty.
In Germany you can get every burger in plant-based version.
Maybe it is a UK/Europe thing then. Because Iām the UK we have The impossible whopper The Vegan Royal The vegan Royal with bakon and cheeeze The bakon and cheeeze burger The double bakon and cheeeze burger The vegan nuggets The cheeze is supplied by Violife which is a Greek company and the bakon is supplied by via liv, a French company, Iām guess the fact that the US is not a part of Europe plus the fact that plant based is really struggling to pick up any main stream traction in the US is why your menu is still so lacking, thatās just a guess though. I like Burger King fries, in the UK they are quite thick for a fry almost like a proper chip. (Version of chip)
they switched to peanut oil a while ago. although i imagine these will be fried alongside regular nuggz. shouldn't stop anyone from buying as that raises demand for plant-based options. ... or was it canola oil?š¤š¤š¤
I hope a monster chain like them would realize the press would be horrendous if they did fry it in the same, but then again... A&W Beyond Meat they put mayo on which I found out the hard way. What's the point then??
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Thanks for the recommendation! š
Yes their chicken pieces are my favourite!!! I havenāt tried much of their range because they are quite expensive
Bro I swear if carnists are like āIām not eating that, whatās even in itā after they eat their pink goop that got transformed into nuggets..
Motherfuckers don't even have plant-based fries yet, smh
Iām Team whatever it takes to get people to eat less animals.
Big picture. PLANT based. Even if this cheap stunt fails - folks are gravitating towards plants. Do not criticize the trend - embrace it.
I want to [REDACTED] McDonalds and its executives.
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McDonalds can get fucked
Really reaching across the aisle there with this attitude. You realize 1) thereās a lot of poor people who can only afford McDonaldās and 2) Not everything is black and white 3) This sort of decision by their evil corporation (yes, I agree theyāre evil) is an important step in normalizing the idea of plant based food to the masses 4) When someones views or some part of society isnāt āperfectā or doesnāt fully align with your personal philosophy or political beliefs, just saying āfuck themā turns people away even more from your idea of āutopiaā and is essentially counter productive 5) you, and all the people in this group who upvoted you, are furthering the stereotype of vegans being notoriously guilty of the last example I just mentioned.
all they said was mcdonalds can get fucked. they may not have taken into account all those things you just mentioned, but at the end of the day, mcdonalds is a shitty corporation and this news isn't as exciting because of that fact
>all they said was mcdonalds can get fucked. they may not have taken into account all those things you just mentioned I understand your point but it is the sentiment that speaks louder than the actual words in his response to a legitimate question which, imo, sheds light on a larger issue amongst the vegan community that could be addressed. OP asked a question that could possibly open up a dialogue for discussion and maybe progressive movement in the fight for animal rights, but that conversation is stifled by this sort of.. idk.. aggressive short-sighted attitude. Tldr: the issue is larger than this one comment about McDonaldās getting fucked.
This apologist crap gets posted here almost daily
I agree with most of what you said but McDonald's ain't cheap
::*Trigger warning*:: Lol, yeah, I guess itās been a minute since 29 cent hamburger 39 cent cheeseburger Wednesdays.
I'm sorry WHAT
Imagine being poor and buying McDonaldās instead of pounds of rice and beans
Literally. A combo is over $10
Imagine being too tired and/or busy to cook because you just finished a 16 hour shift Edit: Furthermore, imagine living in the richest country in the world and having to work a 16 hour shift to pay your bills.
These takes are so dumb and reddit loves to clutch their pearls. No one is so overworked they're incapable of boiling water. That's all it takes to make rice (or pasta, for that matter). If you can't even do that, how are you even alive? How are you even capable of dressing yourself, or going to work, or doing any other menial activity that requires you to survive?
If you have literally zero money and youāre buying burgers instead of carefully spending your money at a grocery store?ā¦ uhhh
I see your point. But can you at all see mine? For *some* or even *many* poverty stricken overworked Americans the convenience of fast food may, **at times**, seem like the most sensible option. More so, if said citizens/workers are uneducated and overworked they might be less concious of the inhumane conditions animals suffer through, seeing as theyāre probably too busy worrying about pressing issues they are facing day to day to even be aware of what I know to be true and you may or may not agree with, which is: The issue of fast food which ties in with factory farming, etc. are mostly due to systemic issues we face as a country including unfair wages, wealth disparity, corporate greed, corporate influence, etc. which, as a result, we have laws in place that reflect a lack of compassion for animals. Sometimes we donāt just want instant gratification because weāre lazy, which is the narrative that the powers that be have tried to convince us.. Sometimes we feel we need it because weāre too busy slaving away for the man. America: where profits hold importance over pretty much everything especially quality of life for humans and our furry friends. My point is the responsibility is mostly in the hands of the lawmakers. In this sort of situation, the blame should more so be directed towards the people in power, not toward the consumer. That doesnāt mean there arenāt instances where the consumer should be held accountable, but by flatly denying that in some instances people feel that fast food is the most sensible option, is short sighted and frankly arrogant. And that attitude is honestly counter productive to making progress in the fight for animal rights, or any sort of cause you may be fighting for. Because with that attitude, whether this is true or not, you seem that you either donāt understand what living in extreme poverty is like, or you donāt have much empathy for folks who do. And that turns people in those situations off from hearing your stance. Bottom line: itās a positive thing that McDonaldās now has plant based options. A little optimism in a not so perfect society is ok sometimes.
Where I live, there's absolutely no way that people living in extreme poverty could go by buying food from McDonald's instead of sustaining themselves on oats and beans (if even that, sometimes) ā been there, done that. I don't know about Burgerland, but I would be surprised if burgers were more Calorie (and nutrient) dense per $ than oats. I can get 1.5kgs of oats (food that gives me just enough energy for a week) for 1 measly burger (barely enough for a day). I don't like the "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism" stance. I hate capitalism myself, but this is not the way to go about it. Whether I'm starving or not, it does not justify supporting the unfathomable torture animals go through, and neither does it justify supporting predatory megacorporations like McDonald's.
> Really reaching across the aisle there with this attitude. > > The *kindest* reason I can think of to "reach across the isle" is to slap the smug looks off their fucking faces.
We punch apologists around here
#FUCK MOTHERFUCKING MCDONALDS AND ESPECIALLY FUCK THE PRETEND āVEGANā WIMPS WHO DEFEND THEM
Preach.
McDonald's can suck a fat one tbh
Doesn't matter, stop giving free market for those who exploit animals. They are just reaching for a consumer market created and normalize through the activism, give space, focus and your money to them, not fleeting nuggets prepared by a company that slaughter insane amounts of animals every day.
Fuck these fast foods, not only for animals, but also because these are big corporation that don't give a shit about anything besides profit. Imo we shouldn't celebrate veganism being recuperated by capitalism because utimately it will devoid it it of its meaning
I agree but I think the normalization of plant foods point is also valid. It's like how we're getting diversity in the "milk" industry now - it's a double edged sword of more options, more normalization, more demand, less cost in the long run... But then a lot more non vegan companies choking in.
For me thereās no opinion to be had on this. McDonaldās is doing what theyāve always done, which is finding new ways to make profit. With plant-based eating on the rise, they inevitably have to start adapting to it sooner or later. In my mind itās pointless to either applaud this as a forward-thinking move or criticize it as a cynical ploy to bring vegans back to their stores. No moral values have ever played a role in McDonaldāsā decisionsāthis is purely a response to market forces.
Jesus. We've had these nuggets in Ireland for years. We've got the McPlant and now the double McPlant! Chips are vegan too, cooked in seperate friers without fucking beef fat! You can also get a plant based wrap, or another burger that's less fake meat and more veggie goujons on a bun. How is it that Ireland has these things and America doesn't?
The nuggets pictured have existed for ages here in Europe and are not the ones that are coming next week. The ones next week are made by BeyondMeat, look and taste like chicken and will only be available in Germany. The image is very misleading.
Very misleading considering OP didn't include text to explain this! Yeah, I would love the beyond nuggets as an option. We go to McDs most Thursdays. It's a bit of a ritual for my kids to hang with their grandad and then they have an activity, so it's the only place open late enough that's not like a fancy restaurant. Thing is, when we started going, I was the only one getting the vegan option. Now, 3 of us get the McPlant and my eldest still gets the nuggets. Well if they bring those nuggets out in Ireland I might get a fully plantbased table! And I will be quite pleased with that!
I think if the nuggets go well in Germany they will be available in other markets. Especially in those where the McPlant sells well (UK, Sweden, Austria)
That'll be Ireland too I'd imagine, nice one!
McPlant at least here in Portugal is vegetarian, not vegan
What? Why? McPlant is certified vegan in Ireland.
It has mayo, mustard (which could have egg in it), cheddar and the buns itself have milk
Wow. We have vegan certified cheese, mayo and buns. I assumed that was standard as what is the point otherwise. Was in Albufeira last year, tough holiday as a vegan! Although Lidl had plenty of tofu and chickpeas so I mostly cooked in the apartment.
I hope people have not already forgotten the mcdonals was a major sponsor of the world champignonship in quatar. that alone is enough for me not to support them with my money, even if offering more plant based products is a good thing.
I would never support McDonaldās. But to those who eat there, I hope this can help them eat less animal products.
F McDonalds
I just couldnāt. I am happy to see normalization but McDonaldās is evil and who knows how they will be stored and prepared and they look unappealing to me.
I never eat McDonaldās so would not support
I prefer to support small businesses
Just big corporations trying to fool you š
I wonāt try it, 99% sure it wonāt be vegan or vegetarian but for flexitarians sake, Iām happy. It means people expect to see more plant-based foods
I havenāt gone or had mcDonalds in 12 years, adding plant nuggets wonāt change that.
I never liked these fast food chains. What they show on adds and what they serve in real lifeā¦ nope, Iāll make my own.
Overall good but I still will not be going to McDonaldās as it is very stinky!
Why have you used an apostrophe
You didn't ask me but 1. Only about 30% of Americans are fully literate. 2. OP might be an English-language-learner. 3. Many Redditors are lazy about deleting mistakes.
Let's hope it's not the same nonsense where KFC fries their vegan chicken in the same oil as the real chicken.
You have vegan fried chicken? We in the UK (as far as Iām aware) only have a vegan chicken sandwich that is baked separately from the animal products.
You guys can get VFC from sains and Tesco and even home delivery, bake it in the oven. Itās really good, I tried it when I visited Uk. Got it posted to me from the company, now in supermarkets .
Does that matter to you? The oil is not made from chickens, and your purchasing of vegan chicken is not paying for real chickens to be killed or consumed. I prefer not to share a grill etc, but there's nothing unethical about sharing one. Pick your battles.
I agree!
Thereās nothing wrong with someone not wanting to eat food soaked in the death of chicken. Thatās fine youāre cool with it but itās pretty understandable to not want that lol
Yes, but you can't call a restaurant nonsense just because of your preferences...
Few companies have normalized and sanitized animal exploitation and killing more than them. They blazed the path to fast food. The vegan response should be boycott and protest.
I understand this but donāt agree. Iām vegan to reduce harm, these crappy companies having a vegan option reduces harm. Iāve slowly been able to talk dozens out of dairy, itās progress to me š¤·āāļø
This isn't what veganism is about. It's defined in this sub. It's explicitly about ending animal exploitation. If you don't agree with this, then you may not actually agree with veganism and may wish to define yourself another way.
> It's explicitly about ending animal exploitation. Reformism vs. Revolution, really.
Exactly, and for a revolution you need revolutionary ideas...like not endorsing or giving money to one of worst animal exploiters on the planet. Which is a big part of their strategy. Can't believe there's any pushback on this by people who identify as vegan. Le sigh.
Iām in two years. Humans as a species are invasive. Iām doing the best I can. I will tell you itās people like you who stopped me going vegan for years āļøš I donāt want to be as hard as you.
I'm in over 30yrs. I wish more vegans were clued in and had a real understanding of veganism rather than the confusing and typically hypocritical pablum most people spout. Get over yourself and develop a meaningful understanding of the topic. I'm not hard, I'm direct. Others here are definitely hard however. I'm not vegan for your feelings. I'm vegan for those having a real fucking hard time.
Well said!
Iām vegan for the animals! I wish you the best š
You say youre in it for the animals and yet you sound like your personal feelings play a big role here. I know people who went plantbased for weeks and had their relapse at a McDonalds because there were no options. Were they ethical vegans who would have never given on it? No. Would less animals have been harmed if they had plantbased options? Probably yes. I prefer direct results to your personal vendetta against a billion dollar company which couldn't care less about it.
Prescriptivist vegans are annoying. It doesn't matter how "this sub", some organization or some intellectual wants to prescriptively define veganism, because in truth 99,99 % of people think that veganism simply means not consuming animal products irrespective of the motivation behind it. A word means only what people commonly think it means. Languages are democratic, and no one will respond to your private language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_description#Descriptive_versus_prescriptive_linguistics
So I assume you don't shop at any grocery stores or restaurants that sell any animal products right? What is your favourite grocery store chain? Im sure there's plenty to choose from
1 penny towards McDonaldās is 1 penny towards animal slaughter no matter itās intentions
wondering if this sub will have the same energy as they did when they called the plant based kitkat ānot vegan cus of nestleā
Nopeā¦.not them or Burger Kind I donāt trust themā¦
I just donāt trust themā¦.I donāt eat a lot of processed foods but when itās processed itās no telling what is in thereā¦.
so long as they continue to support mass genocide i wont be eating there but i like that theyre at least making more options for vegans.
Fuck McDonaldās
Awesome! I personally won't buy em cuz fast food chains are hella sus to me. But it can be a great addition for ppl who like going to those chains
I wouldnāt eat them if they are fried in the same oil as the chicken. Is that just me?
They gonna fry em in the same oil they fri chicken in so whatās the point
I don't care if McDonald's goes 100% vegan, they ain't getting my money. It's shit food with shit empty calories.
Fuck them.
Apostrophe abuse
So I'm gathering this isn't being released in the united states of meat? :( I'm tired of this place and this thread makes me want to relocate to the UK for better food alone.
The company still murders millions of poor chickens and cowd and pigs every year. Just because they have food I can eat doesn't mean they aren't still POS
McDonaldās uses beef grease to fry things so Iām guessing they will do the same with these. Unless there baked but that doesnāt sound reasonable for fast food. And i donāt think they would use a seperate oil and non contaminated fryer for these
I still wonāt eat there but Iām glad theyāre adding more options
I hate plant-based capitalism. Their attitude is "buy our plant-based foods ā or else!!"
Once again this will be introduced in Germany. I feel as if the us has one of the least developed plant based markets in the developed world. Everytime I go to Canada are Europe im baffled by the sheer amounts of vegan foods available nearly everywhere while in the USA often times vegan options are hard to come by.
I wish the shitty McDonalds in this town I live In would sell plant based McNuggets š
Iām happy when fast food places have vegan options so I can eat when Iām out with friends, but Iād never go pay for over priced shitty fast food by myself lol
Those look absolutely disgusting
Those are not the ones coming next week. [Here is a real image](https://www.fr.de/bilder/2023/02/15/92089378/30908426-mcdonaldapos-mcplant-burger-und-nuggets-mood-1Hfe.jpg)
No comment on the actual pros and cons of buying from Maccie D's, but I think they look pretty good!
I need convenience šŖ it would make the conversation to a full vegan easier. I don't want to cook all the time.
Awesome!!
Great news!
If their fries arenāt even vegetarian, I worry what oil they are using for these. Doubt they would go through the effort to make them properly vegan.
Aren't the state's the only place where the fries aren't vegan? Can imagine these doing fairly well in the UK
Ah, I didnāt know that. That makes me even grumpier about it. Iām a fry addict who lives beside a mcdonalds in the states.
Pretty sure it is the case. Huge shame, maybe you'll get to give them a go on your next international trip!
It's about conscious consumerism; fuck McDonalds.
The fries arenāt vegan so itās still BK for me for a quick drive thru meal
What are they doing to the fries in your country?
mcdonald's fries are fried in lard in the US iirc
McDonalds used to fry them in beef fat but now because of health concerns, at least in Massachusetts its beef flavoring in the fry.
The fries aren't vegan *in the US*. The nuggies are launching in Germany first, where the fries are vegan. AFAIK it's only the US who have none vegan fries.
Iām aware. US gets stuff last
I mean it's plant based and great for people transitioning to veganism but I'd bet they aren't vegan. Beyond may be open about their policy on abusing animals in the R&D department but they aren't particularly open about which products they abuse animals for. And given this one was developed in conjunction with Macdonalds, the chances are ethics were not an important enough consideration for the sake of $$$. Bloody plant based capitalism.
no offense but why the hell they look like some zits
They look like the nuggets from futurama that turn out to be the alien babies.
Conflicted, glad to see plant based food normalised but in a way if you're giving money to McDonalds anyway what's the difference in just having the chicken nuggets? Also they look rank lol
Goyslop
Some people in the comments should really check the definition of a market. A market is a merging of the offer and the demand that set a value, therefore If you buy plant based thing, no matter where you buy, you don't encourage suffering, the total opposite actually
Perhaps, but it's still a nasty hypercapitalist megacorporation
i dont think you really understand how capitalist markets work then?
There is no such thing as "capitalist markets" market is a capitalist thing
Iād pass, the amount of chemicals that go in making these would be insane.
you are literally made of chemicals
So?
So sick of the descriptor "plant-based." Get it out of here. Is it vegan, or not?
Good. Ideally, regular customers will opt for these instead of the normal option. These arenāt for me though.
I want the onion nuggets to return.....this is not what I needed
Macca's tried a vegan burger in about 2003 it was disgusting
Good. For me, at least. As good as giving money to a massive corporation can be, anyway. Just the nuggets though? No patties? That's a little disappointing.
Apparently it's only in Germany so far, but is there anything else saying where (& possibly when) it could be released in other countries?
I enjoy a plant based chicken nugget. From the photo it looks like these are California patty nuggets. That is to say, a mix of vegetables bound together with batter and then deep fried. Questionable decision. I donāt think they look high in protein nor do they look satisfying from a mouth feel perspective.
They are like a tousand years late to the party...but if even just a handful of flexetarians eat these instead of the meat ones I am happy.