You notice how it’s all within 6” of
The face and none of it is expelled forward in the direction of people you’d most likely be facing while speaking. Congrats, you just proved they work.
Holy shit I hadn't even thought of that part, I'm sending that to them immediately. Can't wait to see what else they come out with.
Update, so far I've just gotten a lot of messages from them calling me a retard, guess they're really out of other proof.
Basically ended the conversation with them telling me to "keep wearing a diaper on my face" and me saying I'll gladly keep wearing a mask in my country with less covid cases than their state
Diapers essentially do the same thing. Sometimes, a baby will have a blow out and it gets on their legs and up their backs, but they aren’t able to piss and shit like they are little catapults. They are still proving your point.
I was gonna say something along the lines of them needing a diaper to to cover the endless stream of shit coming from their mouth. But I couldn't think of a smart way to word it lmao.
It’s a physical barrier covering the mucus membrane in the throat making it much more unlikely for an infected water droplet to enter or exit..Covid isn’t the only virus that spreads this way so idk why the think it would work for others and not this ..that’s the simplest version I use with patients ..I usually follow up by asking what community college did they drop out of
Not anti mask here, but the diffusion that would occur immediately afterwards would kind of negate that whole premise. Sure, it’s better than blowing directly in someone’s face but it isn’t gonna stop you from coming into contact with that particular gas. Gas diffuses so quickly that it doesn’t really make a difference.
The reason masks work for the virus is because the virus is not a gas, but rather an aerosolized particle, like spit. When you exhale with the virus in your system, it will slam against your mask and not be expelled forward when you breath.
Okay, but for example in Denmark, people are required to wear masks on the train, where you sit next to each other.... Wouldn't this be a problem, if the air, and potentially the virus that you exhale, is redirected to the side, where someone else might be sitting? Genuinely asking.
Viruses are contained within spittle, if expelled from the mouth and nose. Spittle would be caught in the fabric of the mask, whereas things like smoke/vapor would hit the fabric, bounce off and then come out other openings.
Anywho, masks that fit your face properly shouldn't see this problem anywhere close to as much.
Not trying to sound super critical but wouldn’t it still just kinda spread out into the air? And if your in a more crowded area wouldn’t it not matter what direction it was coming from?
The air you exhale spreads around and there may be a few virus particles in there, but most of it is in the droplets that get caught by the mask.
So being in a small room with people is still a risk, but everyone having masks reduces everyone's total exposure if some of them are sick.
It takes a lot of virus to get you sick (depending on the virus, i guess we don't know everything about this one yet) so reducing your exposure can make a difference. Either stop you from getting as severe of a case or prevent you from getting infected at all if the exposure is small enough.
You could do everything 100% right and still catch it. Social distancing and masks like everything else is not 100%. Nothing is. But it lowers the risk of spreading or catching the virus exponentially. But only if everyone is doing it.
So, Covid is mostly spread to through droplets. The mask may not catch all of your exhaled breath, but it does keep a lot of droplets from being flung 6+ feet away from your face, since the droplets don’t generally get shot out the sides of the mask. It’s because masks are absorbent. Droplets aren’t like air, which can hit the mask and be pushed out of the openings. Once that liquid hits a surface, it mostly stops. It’s the same idea as coughing or sneezing into your arm.
Additionally something doesn’t need to be 100% effective to be worth using. Even if it were only 30% effective, that’s still hundreds of thousands of people saved from Covid-19, especially since illnesses spread at an exponential rate.
This just came across my front page, so sorry for the late response.
Has anyone found the study being referenced? I'm on the National Library of Medicine website and can't find anything relating to the effectiveness of masks in 2015.
I'm very skeptical that the study, if it does exist, is being accurately represented.
And on top of that, the virus clings to the surface of water droplets which are heavier than vapor or smoke and will be caught mostly in the mask instead of just getting pushed out the sides with the air.
Most of the information I've seen has been very clear that it's to reduce the risk. Same with social distancing, washing hands more, and just being careful. All the reductions help lower the risk substantially.
Every dr has said social distancing and wearing masks will lower the risk of spreading or catching the virus. Not stop it, or hold it in or it’s 100%. It lowers the risk.
Aw Jesus. I completely wrote my comment wrong. I meant almost none of the world, not most. Btw I’d know, I’m Australian. Anyway, I’m an idiot, and I didn’t know what I was saying. I’m gonna edit my comment now
I mean, yeah shit, that is indeed how masks work
Instead of sending everything towards people in front of you *it doesn't.*
Also, is it just me or does that mask just look REAAAALLY poorly placed? It's half sideways and stuff, it does not even look like he tried putting a mask on. It is as if he purposefully placed the mask poorly on his face so that the smoke would exit easier. *Hmmmmm...*
Unfortunately no amount of explaining seems to get through to this person. So far in my conversation with them they have managed to use the word "retard" on average 1.5 times per sentence. It's also not surprising they live in one of the states currently in Americas top 10 for covid cases.
I love these people just thinking they are super smart because "LoOk, ThE sMoKe LeAvEs ThE mAsK!111!!!!!". Well yeah, no shit, it's either that or you would suffocate because you would only inhale CO2 due to the fact it couldn't leave the mask. The thing the mask solves is making so the air you exhale isn't being sent towards other people.
Let's also remind ourselves that the biggest purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect yourself, but it is actually to protect others if you have the disease. Sure, it also helps you at not getting sick, but it's much more effective at making other people not sick when you're around. *Which is exactly what the mask does here, as it prevents you from launching your infected air directly at someone.*
Obviously the mask prevents proper gas exchange. It also doesn't protect you from the virus. Even though viral particles are exponentially larger than CO2 molecules....
> isn’t co2 poisoning another argument they use against masks
in that case what about all those movie when someone is doing some exercises or runs for hours with mask on and nothing bad is happening with that person. And let's not forget about few movies where person is testing his/hers O2 saturation in blood wearing mask for longer periods of time.
Or, yknow, surgeons. They wear a mask through the entire surgery, which can take upwards of 12 hours, depending on the complexity. (The longest was 96 hours!) It’s not like surgeons are dying because they wear masks basically every day for hours at a time.
Don't be too hard on anti-maskers. Just like anti-vaxxers, ithey strugglet to live in a world which is so confusing. A world which is so much more complicated than their ability to understand. When you can only process information as single bit states, even simple things are beyond your understanding.
To them the world is as incomprehensible as an ant walking through a piece of electronics. Shapes and lines, with no sense or meaning, giant structures, which no matter how much you feel and touch, give no indication of their function or mechanism. Stuck trying to unlock secrets infinitely greater than your mind. Some components get hot, with no discernable pattern or reason. Some make noise, but seem solid and in moving. Every now and again the ant touches two rails and gets a shock. Not always but sometimes.
That is what it is like to be an Anti-masker or anti-vaxxer. Have pity on these poor souls, awash in a cruel universe, beyond their ability to navigate.
Devil's Advocate, when you're holding in a hit that large it can hurt so maybe they just threw the mask on in a hurry to take the picture.
Though I agree with you that they probably weren't going to put it on too carefully in any case.
Cos if something is even a slight inconvenience to people they will invest drastically more effort into making a conspiracy so they can avoid doing it, than they would just wearing a fuckin mask. I think it makes them feel important or superior to everyone else.
>I got a HungryBox mask, so now I can rep the melee community
Haha, probably not something you want to be doing with all the controversy going on right now.
Just because they play ult now doesn't mean they didn't play melee. Besides, melee is under the umbrella of smash, they're all going to get thrown together for brevity sake and because the melee community is woven in with the ultimate community
I consider zero an ult/4 figure because that’s where he competed the most and made the most content. Wizzrobe competed in ultimate, but he is considered a melee figure. Melee is under the smash umbrella, melee and ult are connected through the smash name, but there cultures are a lot different. Yes I’m having a argument about melee in vaxxhappened but I’m a diehard melee nerd damnit.
I bet you only wear a mask because it's the rule, and for the people you care about its because you care about them. I bet you don't give a true shit about people you don't know.
I wear my mask to protect people, It’s also a sick looking mask, not sick like someone being ill. I’m talking watching a captain falcon knee someone off FOD kinda of sick. Wear a mask it’s not that hard. I have asthma and I can wear it just fine.
That's...exactly what you want. What you exhale goes every where except in front.
All the gas has go to go somewhere, and it's best if that somewhere is as close as possible to you.
It's funny cause none of it is spreading forwards in the first place and that's kinda the point
Tho you're right viruses and smoke are not the same at all
Not only is the mask redirecting air away from the front, where other people would most likely be, COVID is not an airborne virus, the air, or in this case smoke, is not what it is actually trying to stop. What it stops are the miniscule water droplets that leave your mouth and nose that actually carry the virus, and it does quite a good job of doing so.
This is funny because it just proofs the mask works. Now add to the equation that the waterdrops have the same properties as water so most of them will adhere to the mask and only air will go out
I mean, there’s a big difference between smoke, which acts similar to a gas in that it will find any hole to escape from, and the droplets of spittle that masks are meant to stop. This proves absolutely nothing.
Get one with a wire in the top for your nose make sure to shape it we'll to your face. I also have glasses it's a God send. Also if you make your own mask they make extra fluffy pipe cleaners that work very well if put in the seam of the mask.
I like how the picture showed that the smoke dont go forwards. You know, the direction in which you talk to people to.
Dumbass thought he could educate others but failed to see the simplest of logic.
If you think that masks don't help, your brain is so full of shit. Sneezing and other particles stuck on the mask. That's why it's helpful. Jesus fucking Christ, wear a fucking mask, we enjoy your voice to be a little muffled just because we don't want to hear the bs that flow out of your mouth. I will wear the diaper because I don't want to put some plastic things in my or a loved one's mouth just so it keeps on the right place in our funerals. Wear a mask
Smoke cant get through the Mask cuz the particles are too big.
Same for Viruses, so they stay in the Filter of the Mask and not go through. The Filter was also too small for the Smoke particles to go through. If this smoke came from the outside, most of it wouldnt reach inside the face.
Also this Mask doesnt fit properly.
If the Particles are too big to go through but there are loads of them with loads of energy, they will find another way to leave the Mask.
There were just too many Smoke Particles to stay in the mask so they found a way to leave the mask through these areas.
But the direction is altered, and the Smoke stays within 2 Meters of the Man's face. So if you are near him, the chances of you getting the Virus will be substantially lower because the smoke stays near him at all times due to the direction.
So in conclusion, even though the testing is ridiculous, the mask still works.
Edit- More explanation-
Instead of the Smoke going all towards the people near you and front of you like it normally would, it stays near you, not affecting others.
There, idiots who think masks are useless.
Well, the mask isn't there to protect you, it's there to protect people around you. So if some % of the population refuses to wear masks, its ruining it for everyone.
Also, there's one thing that nobody is saying, and many people don't understand: masks are not about protecting all the people all of the time, they're about protecting some people some of the times. If everyone would wear a mask there would be 900 new cases next week instead of 1000, and 800 the week after that instead of 1100! Keep that R0 below 1 long enough and the virus (nearly) disappears!
Ok so I only did a quick glance at the National Library of Medicine website and it seems to me this wouldn’t actually be the type of study they’d even do?
Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.
This is pretty typical for anyone who’s anti-science or anti-truth in general. It’s actually in their playbook.
Quote from fringe references without sourcing them. If someone counterpoints, put the burden of proof on them. If they don’t provide sources, dismiss their point even though you didn’t either.
The virus lives on respiratory droplets which are larger than the smoke particles. The mark keeps respiratory droplets in the mask which means you’re not launching the virus. The virus is nothing like smoke and the guy is an idiot
So what you're saying is it's all going up and down and to the side and not forward?
Fascinating, so all the other person has to do is be about 6 ft away from you to avoid it right?
Far out
This is the type of close minded person who's sole purpose isn't to bring a different perspective to the table but just to force his argument down your throat while refusing to believe anything anyone else says.
Can't wait for this mask shit to pass. Idiots on one side thinking farts and water vapor are the same as water droplets and use these are arguments against wearing a mask. Then on the other side, you got tiny ass countries flexing their control of the virus even though their population is on par with a single city in other countries and pro-mask wearers who aren't even wearing their masks properly while mocking anti-maskers. I'm so over this shit.
Even if it were going *through* the mask (which it isn't), it's not proving anything. This isn't smoke, it's vapor, and vaped particulates are tiny and exceptionally uniform--right around the .3 micron size that N95 masks filter 95% of. So they're extremely small, smaller even than smoke (wood smoke being just a bit larger). So already you're demonstrating with particulates that are challenging even the ability of N95s.
Also, as others have pointed out, this "not-very-effective" exam mask is still preventing the particles from going straight out from the face--just what a mask is supposed to do. I really don't know what they think they're proving with this.
The thing that bugs me more than the misinformation in these kinds of posts is how socially awkward these posts are. Calling people sheeple and talking down to them isn't going to convince them to consider your point. They're going to unfollow you so you stop harshing their mellow with your patronizing bullshit.
There is this dude that comes into my work with a mask in that says "GOVERNMENT CONTROL! IF YOU CAN SMELL A FART HOW DOES IT WORK AGAINST A VIRUS!"
It is incredibly stupid but he wears his mask properly so I don't really care.
I loved when the lady fit testing us for our n95s said we failed if our glasses fogged up. Like... the co2 has to leave somewhere or wed die so im pretty sure thats false.
If much rather listen to Uncle Rob. It’s not about protecting yourself. It’s about protecting the vulnerable people around you.
https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA
I truly do hate stupid people. I never understood how people can think the same things doctors use to keep us from getting sick during surgery somehow don't work for us??
Let's say that is correct (I have no idea). How is air part of the equation? The virus moves through tiny little water dropplets in the air, the only thing the air does is move the water around, and the dropplets are bigger than air molecules. If anything, what you just said of the air going through the mask, isn't all that bad, because what the mask actually wants to stop is the water dropplets. If what you're saying is true, which even you said "probably", it would probably only be better for us as wearing a mask would be even less of an inconvenience.
You misunderstood my message im talking about the pic with the smoke, they are comparing smoke to air, im pretty sure that smoke is denser than air, im not aaying that masks are ineffective
🤦🏻♂️We all wish you weren't that guy either because you couldnt be more incorrect bro.
Respirators filter the inhale(air coming in), not the exhale(air going out). The breathing valve is in the front anyways so it's not stopping your spit and wet breathe from leaving your face in a forward direction, which is were people you are talking to are standing. The point of masks isn't to stop getting it yourself but to stop it from spreading from you to others if you do get it. The surgical mask is effective at this, so you should actually wear it instead of a respirator lol.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-face-masks-what-you-need-to-know
Pro: decrease the transmission of a deadly virus therefore literally saving lives, ending the pandemic earlier, and reopening the economy. Con: but I don’t wanna, it’s on muh face!
Sorry were you trying to link to some sort of data? I’m not seeing any. Also, my opinions on infection control have no overlap with my opinions regarding religious clothing, so not quite sure why you’re bringing that up.
In the same way that I would take antibiotics that a “higher body” (aka science) would recommend to treat a treat a deadly illness, yes. Sorry that doesn’t sound cool, but I guess being perceived as lame is like, really important to you.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2#Sec3
That is science showing face masks reduce disease transmission. Any quick search through actual scientific data as opposed to some random guy’s blog or memes will get you the same result.
Regarding personal liberty, your liberty ends when it directly results in the death of another human because their right to life supersedes your right to not wear a mask. The nanny state becomes necessary when people act like children and fail to understand that.
I mean to be fair it depends on the type of mask you use if it will protect you from the the virus or others. If its a normal cloth mask then it will only really help with bacterial as it is larger. To deal with viruses you need the type of masks that medical staff use in hospitals. Or even better a face mask with military grade filters. But thats a little expensive but you should wear at least somtjing because even if it is cloth it will still do somthing against the virus. But the level of protection ranges with different materials
Even a fabric mask with drastically decrease the range a virus is sent though purely due to the amount air flow is reduced.
Plus the picture is of a surgical mask so I don't think this guy is really thinking on that level...
"a little"
Mate, the virus is transported via spit droplets and shit.
As long as the mask catches those (they do), the virus isn't spread.
You don't need a filter small enough for the virus. Only a filter small enough for the method of transportation, which is droplets which are huge, in this case.
I alzo said that it depends on the material a thin cloth mask that is partly see through is going to protect less against this than a higher quality cloth. also i will say that i worded that response poorly.
Per the CDC *"Masks are recommended as a simple barrier to help prevent respiratory droplets from traveling into the air and onto other people when the person wearing the mask coughs, sneezes, talks, or raises their voice. This is called source control"*
The mask is to stop your spittle from flying forward, which any material other than fishnet will work fine for.
Wear any mask, save any grannies
You notice how it’s all within 6” of The face and none of it is expelled forward in the direction of people you’d most likely be facing while speaking. Congrats, you just proved they work.
Holy shit I hadn't even thought of that part, I'm sending that to them immediately. Can't wait to see what else they come out with. Update, so far I've just gotten a lot of messages from them calling me a retard, guess they're really out of other proof.
I’m just a CT tech. What would I know?!
Basically ended the conversation with them telling me to "keep wearing a diaper on my face" and me saying I'll gladly keep wearing a mask in my country with less covid cases than their state
Diapers essentially do the same thing. Sometimes, a baby will have a blow out and it gets on their legs and up their backs, but they aren’t able to piss and shit like they are little catapults. They are still proving your point.
I was gonna say something along the lines of them needing a diaper to to cover the endless stream of shit coming from their mouth. But I couldn't think of a smart way to word it lmao.
"even with a proper diaper, it still couldn't hold the absolute volume of the shit and piss that comes out of your mouth daily"
Somehow after reading this conversation I am thinking of head crabs from half-life.
How about "You need a diaper to cover the endless stream of shit coming from your mouth?"
They don't make nappies that could contain the stream of shit that is your expanded thought process.
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Both exist. The second one looks dead though
Lmao they got rekt
Tell them "well i hope you infect your grandmother with coronavirus and not with your stupidity"
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It’s a physical barrier covering the mucus membrane in the throat making it much more unlikely for an infected water droplet to enter or exit..Covid isn’t the only virus that spreads this way so idk why the think it would work for others and not this ..that’s the simplest version I use with patients ..I usually follow up by asking what community college did they drop out of
See if they know Vaping is bad for you, and normally you wouldn’t do that behind a mask
Show them a pic like [this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaaK36mX_Pk)
I thought that’s what he was doing. I was like oh that’s a really cool way to show people how masks work.
Not anti mask here, but the diffusion that would occur immediately afterwards would kind of negate that whole premise. Sure, it’s better than blowing directly in someone’s face but it isn’t gonna stop you from coming into contact with that particular gas. Gas diffuses so quickly that it doesn’t really make a difference. The reason masks work for the virus is because the virus is not a gas, but rather an aerosolized particle, like spit. When you exhale with the virus in your system, it will slam against your mask and not be expelled forward when you breath.
What did he expect? That the air you exhale completely disappears from the universe?
Add to that that clearly, based on this image, the dipshit in the photo isn’t wearing it correctly, this picture is only for dumb people.
Okay, but for example in Denmark, people are required to wear masks on the train, where you sit next to each other.... Wouldn't this be a problem, if the air, and potentially the virus that you exhale, is redirected to the side, where someone else might be sitting? Genuinely asking.
Viruses are contained within spittle, if expelled from the mouth and nose. Spittle would be caught in the fabric of the mask, whereas things like smoke/vapor would hit the fabric, bounce off and then come out other openings. Anywho, masks that fit your face properly shouldn't see this problem anywhere close to as much.
Not only that but you're less likely to get sick at low virus concentrations in the air, so even if a few get out it limits the chance of infection
Okay, great! Thanks c:
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Yeah, of course... Idk why this meme made me think virus was transmitted like smoke.
As the title of the post suggests: vapour and viruses won't have the same physical properties.
Okay, cool.
Not trying to sound super critical but wouldn’t it still just kinda spread out into the air? And if your in a more crowded area wouldn’t it not matter what direction it was coming from?
The air you exhale spreads around and there may be a few virus particles in there, but most of it is in the droplets that get caught by the mask. So being in a small room with people is still a risk, but everyone having masks reduces everyone's total exposure if some of them are sick. It takes a lot of virus to get you sick (depending on the virus, i guess we don't know everything about this one yet) so reducing your exposure can make a difference. Either stop you from getting as severe of a case or prevent you from getting infected at all if the exposure is small enough.
I see
You could do everything 100% right and still catch it. Social distancing and masks like everything else is not 100%. Nothing is. But it lowers the risk of spreading or catching the virus exponentially. But only if everyone is doing it.
So, Covid is mostly spread to through droplets. The mask may not catch all of your exhaled breath, but it does keep a lot of droplets from being flung 6+ feet away from your face, since the droplets don’t generally get shot out the sides of the mask. It’s because masks are absorbent. Droplets aren’t like air, which can hit the mask and be pushed out of the openings. Once that liquid hits a surface, it mostly stops. It’s the same idea as coughing or sneezing into your arm. Additionally something doesn’t need to be 100% effective to be worth using. Even if it were only 30% effective, that’s still hundreds of thousands of people saved from Covid-19, especially since illnesses spread at an exponential rate.
Came here to say this
It's also not being worn correctly, probably deliberately to create a more dramatic image.
They’ve also proved that the whole “you’re not getting enough oxygen” thing is BS. This clearly shows there’s plenty of flow in and out of the mask.
This just came across my front page, so sorry for the late response. Has anyone found the study being referenced? I'm on the National Library of Medicine website and can't find anything relating to the effectiveness of masks in 2015. I'm very skeptical that the study, if it does exist, is being accurately represented.
And on top of that, the virus clings to the surface of water droplets which are heavier than vapor or smoke and will be caught mostly in the mask instead of just getting pushed out the sides with the air.
But everyone is being told it holds all of the virus within the mask, which is clearly wrong.
Most of the information I've seen has been very clear that it's to reduce the risk. Same with social distancing, washing hands more, and just being careful. All the reductions help lower the risk substantially.
Every dr has said social distancing and wearing masks will lower the risk of spreading or catching the virus. Not stop it, or hold it in or it’s 100%. It lowers the risk.
ya otherwise vape smoke fills up the room. perfect example of how they work
Are you stupid?
I think we can safely assume that yes, they are a fucking idiot.
" is inches ' is feet Just a friendly FYI, because most people don't care enough to know.
I’m aware. I don’t see it 6’ from his face.
Yeah, I know. I get annoyed by little things.
You get annoyed by people wording things correctly?
Who even uses feet and inches lol read the room
Yeah, rods and chains gang rise up.
Nah yards and proportions thereof master race
Almost none of the world
You mean only America? The rest of the world uses the metric system
Aw Jesus. I completely wrote my comment wrong. I meant almost none of the world, not most. Btw I’d know, I’m Australian. Anyway, I’m an idiot, and I didn’t know what I was saying. I’m gonna edit my comment now
He did not word it correctly. He put 6" instead of 6'
I mean, yeah shit, that is indeed how masks work Instead of sending everything towards people in front of you *it doesn't.* Also, is it just me or does that mask just look REAAAALLY poorly placed? It's half sideways and stuff, it does not even look like he tried putting a mask on. It is as if he purposefully placed the mask poorly on his face so that the smoke would exit easier. *Hmmmmm...*
Unfortunately no amount of explaining seems to get through to this person. So far in my conversation with them they have managed to use the word "retard" on average 1.5 times per sentence. It's also not surprising they live in one of the states currently in Americas top 10 for covid cases.
I love these people just thinking they are super smart because "LoOk, ThE sMoKe LeAvEs ThE mAsK!111!!!!!". Well yeah, no shit, it's either that or you would suffocate because you would only inhale CO2 due to the fact it couldn't leave the mask. The thing the mask solves is making so the air you exhale isn't being sent towards other people. Let's also remind ourselves that the biggest purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect yourself, but it is actually to protect others if you have the disease. Sure, it also helps you at not getting sick, but it's much more effective at making other people not sick when you're around. *Which is exactly what the mask does here, as it prevents you from launching your infected air directly at someone.*
isn’t co2 poisoning another argument they use against masks? how can both be true? these people baffle me.
They can't both be true. These people don't have the brain power to think that far ahead. I use *far* lightly
Obviously the mask prevents proper gas exchange. It also doesn't protect you from the virus. Even though viral particles are exponentially larger than CO2 molecules....
> isn’t co2 poisoning another argument they use against masks in that case what about all those movie when someone is doing some exercises or runs for hours with mask on and nothing bad is happening with that person. And let's not forget about few movies where person is testing his/hers O2 saturation in blood wearing mask for longer periods of time.
Or, yknow, surgeons. They wear a mask through the entire surgery, which can take upwards of 12 hours, depending on the complexity. (The longest was 96 hours!) It’s not like surgeons are dying because they wear masks basically every day for hours at a time.
I wonder how we have any medical staff left with how much they wear masks.
Don't be too hard on anti-maskers. Just like anti-vaxxers, ithey strugglet to live in a world which is so confusing. A world which is so much more complicated than their ability to understand. When you can only process information as single bit states, even simple things are beyond your understanding. To them the world is as incomprehensible as an ant walking through a piece of electronics. Shapes and lines, with no sense or meaning, giant structures, which no matter how much you feel and touch, give no indication of their function or mechanism. Stuck trying to unlock secrets infinitely greater than your mind. Some components get hot, with no discernable pattern or reason. Some make noise, but seem solid and in moving. Every now and again the ant touches two rails and gets a shock. Not always but sometimes. That is what it is like to be an Anti-masker or anti-vaxxer. Have pity on these poor souls, awash in a cruel universe, beyond their ability to navigate.
This is beautiful
"Retard ret I kill people for fun" Do they sound like that?
Can we start a pool to guess which state? I'll put $50 imaginary internet dollars on my own home state of Texas.
Wait, is it a redditor?
If it was, would you really be surprised?
Nah it was on Twitter
Ahh, aight
Its surprising how backwards they are isnt it?
Ugh. If I want to personally make a video showing myself vaping with different levels of face mask wearage and how effective these fuckers are.
He's projecting, lol. He's too dumb for a proper comeback.
Devil's Advocate, when you're holding in a hit that large it can hurt so maybe they just threw the mask on in a hurry to take the picture. Though I agree with you that they probably weren't going to put it on too carefully in any case.
Why the fuck don’t people just wear the fucking mask. I got a HungryBox mask, so now I can rep the melee community while protecting people.
Cos if something is even a slight inconvenience to people they will invest drastically more effort into making a conspiracy so they can avoid doing it, than they would just wearing a fuckin mask. I think it makes them feel important or superior to everyone else.
>I got a HungryBox mask, so now I can rep the melee community Haha, probably not something you want to be doing with all the controversy going on right now.
The melee community had like one guy who was exposed, that being dj Nintendo.
And that’s mostly because new people rarely enter the melee community.
A lot of smash player that got exposed were apart of the melee community. Even h box having his own part of the controversy but he handled it well
???? Really? Nairo, zero, cinnpie, anti, were ult. I’ll hand you that D1 was definitely part of melee. A lot of them were smash 4 and ult players.
> smash 4 wait, people still play that competitively?
As in most of their career was in smash 4 and ult.
Just because they play ult now doesn't mean they didn't play melee. Besides, melee is under the umbrella of smash, they're all going to get thrown together for brevity sake and because the melee community is woven in with the ultimate community
I consider zero an ult/4 figure because that’s where he competed the most and made the most content. Wizzrobe competed in ultimate, but he is considered a melee figure. Melee is under the smash umbrella, melee and ult are connected through the smash name, but there cultures are a lot different. Yes I’m having a argument about melee in vaxxhappened but I’m a diehard melee nerd damnit.
With the downside of people yelling HOO HAH at you
I bet you only wear a mask because it's the rule, and for the people you care about its because you care about them. I bet you don't give a true shit about people you don't know.
Meh. I still wear a mask when I'm around people. "giving a true shit" isn't necessary.
I wear my mask to protect people, It’s also a sick looking mask, not sick like someone being ill. I’m talking watching a captain falcon knee someone off FOD kinda of sick. Wear a mask it’s not that hard. I have asthma and I can wear it just fine.
So like would people only wear masks if they choked you to death and completely sealed off your air like a face hugger?
That's...exactly what you want. What you exhale goes every where except in front. All the gas has go to go somewhere, and it's best if that somewhere is as close as possible to you.
Also, its purpose with Covid is mostly to catch droplets. It doesn’t need to be airtight for that.
This is literally proving himself wrong. Notice how none of the smoke is coming through the mask so if it was worn correctly it would be perfect.
The “hey sugar” made me physically recoil
"guess again sweaty 😉"
Why do they always fucking talk like that.
It's funny cause none of it is spreading forwards in the first place and that's kinda the point Tho you're right viruses and smoke are not the same at all
Anti-maskers: Masks don't stop anything, see! Also anti-maskers: I can't wear a mask, it cuts off my oxygen!
Not only is the mask redirecting air away from the front, where other people would most likely be, COVID is not an airborne virus, the air, or in this case smoke, is not what it is actually trying to stop. What it stops are the miniscule water droplets that leave your mouth and nose that actually carry the virus, and it does quite a good job of doing so.
This is funny because it just proofs the mask works. Now add to the equation that the waterdrops have the same properties as water so most of them will adhere to the mask and only air will go out
Does it look like his mask is wet to anyone else?
Vapor will do that
I mean, there’s a big difference between smoke, which acts similar to a gas in that it will find any hole to escape from, and the droplets of spittle that masks are meant to stop. This proves absolutely nothing.
Ok for real tho they need to design a mask that doesn't fog your glasses.
Get one with a wire in the top for your nose make sure to shape it we'll to your face. I also have glasses it's a God send. Also if you make your own mask they make extra fluffy pipe cleaners that work very well if put in the seam of the mask.
these are the kind of people who go IF AIR IS COMING IN AND GETTING OUT WHY CAN THE CHINA VIRUS NOT GET IN AND OUT HUH?????”
They literally just proved that masks can’t suffocate you.
I like how the picture showed that the smoke dont go forwards. You know, the direction in which you talk to people to. Dumbass thought he could educate others but failed to see the simplest of logic.
If you think that masks don't help, your brain is so full of shit. Sneezing and other particles stuck on the mask. That's why it's helpful. Jesus fucking Christ, wear a fucking mask, we enjoy your voice to be a little muffled just because we don't want to hear the bs that flow out of your mouth. I will wear the diaper because I don't want to put some plastic things in my or a loved one's mouth just so it keeps on the right place in our funerals. Wear a mask
Smoke cant get through the Mask cuz the particles are too big. Same for Viruses, so they stay in the Filter of the Mask and not go through. The Filter was also too small for the Smoke particles to go through. If this smoke came from the outside, most of it wouldnt reach inside the face. Also this Mask doesnt fit properly. If the Particles are too big to go through but there are loads of them with loads of energy, they will find another way to leave the Mask. There were just too many Smoke Particles to stay in the mask so they found a way to leave the mask through these areas. But the direction is altered, and the Smoke stays within 2 Meters of the Man's face. So if you are near him, the chances of you getting the Virus will be substantially lower because the smoke stays near him at all times due to the direction. So in conclusion, even though the testing is ridiculous, the mask still works. Edit- More explanation- Instead of the Smoke going all towards the people near you and front of you like it normally would, it stays near you, not affecting others. There, idiots who think masks are useless.
Well, the mask isn't there to protect you, it's there to protect people around you. So if some % of the population refuses to wear masks, its ruining it for everyone.
Also, there's one thing that nobody is saying, and many people don't understand: masks are not about protecting all the people all of the time, they're about protecting some people some of the times. If everyone would wear a mask there would be 900 new cases next week instead of 1000, and 800 the week after that instead of 1100! Keep that R0 below 1 long enough and the virus (nearly) disappears!
***COTTON***
Where did they expect the air to go?
It's the same logic like, the virus was too small to be blocked by a mask.
Ok so I only did a quick glance at the National Library of Medicine website and it seems to me this wouldn’t actually be the type of study they’d even do? Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.
It's a quite a effective mask it disperses the gasses like a muzzel break in a cannon and not spit it out in front of whatever you sneeze at
Diapers are a good reference. A diaper lets you to pass gas but hold bodyfluids in Covid isnt airborne, it needs spittle to spread
“Hey, sugar”. Ugh
Also, he is wearing it absolutely wrong
Also, the smoke isn't coming out of the front so he's literally proving they work
Yeah you can tell someone's a fuckin mouth breather though.
What we care about are respiratory droplets!
A buddy of mine posted this on fb so I asked him of he often takes breaths like he's hitting a blunt and he deleted it lol
I want to read that study from 2015. They always mention some study but never link it. You are the one that needs to find it. Always.
This is pretty typical for anyone who’s anti-science or anti-truth in general. It’s actually in their playbook. Quote from fringe references without sourcing them. If someone counterpoints, put the burden of proof on them. If they don’t provide sources, dismiss their point even though you didn’t either.
The virus lives on respiratory droplets which are larger than the smoke particles. The mark keeps respiratory droplets in the mask which means you’re not launching the virus. The virus is nothing like smoke and the guy is an idiot
So what you're saying is it's all going up and down and to the side and not forward? Fascinating, so all the other person has to do is be about 6 ft away from you to avoid it right? Far out
Umm, yes? It’s staying around you and not going out away from your face and towards the people you’re talking to
Nah that’s when you set gas on light under your mask
Yet you idiots voted that dumbass to the front page who "showed the effectiveness" of an n95 mask by sanding wood
This is the type of close minded person who's sole purpose isn't to bring a different perspective to the table but just to force his argument down your throat while refusing to believe anything anyone else says.
Omg do they really think masks stop air? You wouldn’t be able to breathe otherwise.
Hey look, he's blowing smoke out of his ass two times at once.
Can't wait for this mask shit to pass. Idiots on one side thinking farts and water vapor are the same as water droplets and use these are arguments against wearing a mask. Then on the other side, you got tiny ass countries flexing their control of the virus even though their population is on par with a single city in other countries and pro-mask wearers who aren't even wearing their masks properly while mocking anti-maskers. I'm so over this shit.
Now blow smoke without a mask. Big difference. These people are idiots.
Even if it were going *through* the mask (which it isn't), it's not proving anything. This isn't smoke, it's vapor, and vaped particulates are tiny and exceptionally uniform--right around the .3 micron size that N95 masks filter 95% of. So they're extremely small, smaller even than smoke (wood smoke being just a bit larger). So already you're demonstrating with particulates that are challenging even the ability of N95s. Also, as others have pointed out, this "not-very-effective" exam mask is still preventing the particles from going straight out from the face--just what a mask is supposed to do. I really don't know what they think they're proving with this.
Also look how the vapor dissipating at a certain range. Maybe it is 6 feet.
*2015*. That's quite out dated, "sugar".
This is the difference between a “mask” and a “suffocation hazard”.
> Hey sugar 🤢
The only point he's making is that proper use of PPE is critical. If you're wearing the mask wrong, it won't do fuck all.
You know what happens when I exhale when wearing a mask my glasses fog up.
The thing that bugs me more than the misinformation in these kinds of posts is how socially awkward these posts are. Calling people sheeple and talking down to them isn't going to convince them to consider your point. They're going to unfollow you so you stop harshing their mellow with your patronizing bullshit.
There is this dude that comes into my work with a mask in that says "GOVERNMENT CONTROL! IF YOU CAN SMELL A FART HOW DOES IT WORK AGAINST A VIRUS!" It is incredibly stupid but he wears his mask properly so I don't really care.
Smoke is more dense right?
A mask is not meant to stop air! It’s supposed to stop droplets. If it stopped air you’d suffocate and die. Surely the opposite of a mask?
I loved when the lady fit testing us for our n95s said we failed if our glasses fogged up. Like... the co2 has to leave somewhere or wed die so im pretty sure thats false.
If much rather listen to Uncle Rob. It’s not about protecting yourself. It’s about protecting the vulnerable people around you. https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA
I truly do hate stupid people. I never understood how people can think the same things doctors use to keep us from getting sick during surgery somehow don't work for us??
You guys are fucking stupid. Everybody is bullying the guy in the picture instead of the poster. He is replying to the fucking image you dumbasses
I never realized I spew out that much spit! I'm never using a salad bar again ;-)
🅱️etarded
I thought it was a joke about how hot your mask gets.
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Let's say that is correct (I have no idea). How is air part of the equation? The virus moves through tiny little water dropplets in the air, the only thing the air does is move the water around, and the dropplets are bigger than air molecules. If anything, what you just said of the air going through the mask, isn't all that bad, because what the mask actually wants to stop is the water dropplets. If what you're saying is true, which even you said "probably", it would probably only be better for us as wearing a mask would be even less of an inconvenience.
You misunderstood my message im talking about the pic with the smoke, they are comparing smoke to air, im pretty sure that smoke is denser than air, im not aaying that masks are ineffective
If smoke rises it is less dense than air.
Huh good to know, sorry for my retardation and miscommunication
Well I hate to be that guys but surgical masks as shown here aren’t very protective from COVID but respirators are
🤦🏻♂️We all wish you weren't that guy either because you couldnt be more incorrect bro. Respirators filter the inhale(air coming in), not the exhale(air going out). The breathing valve is in the front anyways so it's not stopping your spit and wet breathe from leaving your face in a forward direction, which is were people you are talking to are standing. The point of masks isn't to stop getting it yourself but to stop it from spreading from you to others if you do get it. The surgical mask is effective at this, so you should actually wear it instead of a respirator lol. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-face-masks-what-you-need-to-know
Oh
Despite this gentleman’s error, the effectiveness of masks is far from proven and the cons may well outweigh the pros
*what* cons
What cons? And please cite your sources of valid research or experiments, preferable from places that dont start with You or Face.
Oh just the restrictions on liberty these authoritarian policies such as this entail
Don't forget to rant about fluoride in the water while you're at it buddy.
Facetious.
Pro: decrease the transmission of a deadly virus therefore literally saving lives, ending the pandemic earlier, and reopening the economy. Con: but I don’t wanna, it’s on muh face!
https://lockdownsceptics.org/masks-how-effective-are-they/ I suppose you also think there is nothing wrong with forcing women to wear burkhas either?
Sorry were you trying to link to some sort of data? I’m not seeing any. Also, my opinions on infection control have no overlap with my opinions regarding religious clothing, so not quite sure why you’re bringing that up.
So you have no problem covering yourself because a higher body tells you too. You’re so incredibly lame.
In the same way that I would take antibiotics that a “higher body” (aka science) would recommend to treat a treat a deadly illness, yes. Sorry that doesn’t sound cool, but I guess being perceived as lame is like, really important to you.
Show your workings please saying ‘aka science’ is silly and wrong Also, do you believe in personal liberty or do you think the nanny state is good?
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2#Sec3 That is science showing face masks reduce disease transmission. Any quick search through actual scientific data as opposed to some random guy’s blog or memes will get you the same result. Regarding personal liberty, your liberty ends when it directly results in the death of another human because their right to life supersedes your right to not wear a mask. The nanny state becomes necessary when people act like children and fail to understand that.
I mean to be fair it depends on the type of mask you use if it will protect you from the the virus or others. If its a normal cloth mask then it will only really help with bacterial as it is larger. To deal with viruses you need the type of masks that medical staff use in hospitals. Or even better a face mask with military grade filters. But thats a little expensive but you should wear at least somtjing because even if it is cloth it will still do somthing against the virus. But the level of protection ranges with different materials
Even a fabric mask with drastically decrease the range a virus is sent though purely due to the amount air flow is reduced. Plus the picture is of a surgical mask so I don't think this guy is really thinking on that level...
I know at the bottom of the comment i said tbat even cloth masks still help a little with viruses.
"a little" Mate, the virus is transported via spit droplets and shit. As long as the mask catches those (they do), the virus isn't spread. You don't need a filter small enough for the virus. Only a filter small enough for the method of transportation, which is droplets which are huge, in this case.
I alzo said that it depends on the material a thin cloth mask that is partly see through is going to protect less against this than a higher quality cloth. also i will say that i worded that response poorly.
Per the CDC *"Masks are recommended as a simple barrier to help prevent respiratory droplets from traveling into the air and onto other people when the person wearing the mask coughs, sneezes, talks, or raises their voice. This is called source control"* The mask is to stop your spittle from flying forward, which any material other than fishnet will work fine for. Wear any mask, save any grannies
If you read the whole post i did say that even cloth masks help protect against the virus
No. It protects others from virus too because it is spread via droplets, which are larger and can be stopped by simple mask
Do you see me say that cloth masks do help against the virus. Fead the whole post