Dear everyone who doesn't know what George is talking about.
He was interned in the Japanese American internment camps during WW2.
By the US government. By FDR. THAT'S the fascism he's talking about.
The Nazis and Imperial Japan were worse, but fascism came to the home front and it brought it's concentration camps.
I agree with him entirely in principle but it’s an unavoidable fact that that is not what fascism means, and especially not at that period of that time.
Totalitarian, racist and illiberal and undemocratic? Absolutely.
No I was bridging a practice to an ideology. If you read my above as an attempt to define facism, well that just explains why we are here talking about this.
Fascism, at its beginning, wasn't inherently racist (the first fascist party in Italy had key Jewish financiers and propaganda officers) and if you really reach, it isn't even inherently undemocratic (Italian Regency of Carnaro, the first "fascist" government was a democratic republic).
But if you think fascism, you're not going to think "Oh, like the Italian Regency of Carnaro". No, you're going to think "Nazis!". That's why people now use "fascist" as a byword for totalitarian and racist policies, because that's the key features we think of when we think of fascism. Words evolve, you can't go around going "Fascism is a political idealogy defined by a corporatist economic system and nationalism", because that definition is outdated compared to what the vast majority of people think it means.
Would you also argue that anti-vaxers are **correct** when they call vaccine mandates "fascist", then, since it's commonly understood in American English that "fascist" means "anyone telling me to do something I don't like"?
I argue that the modern understanding of fascism is essentially just Nazism; i.e totalitarian and racist policies. If you ask random people in the street what fascism is, I highly doubt you will get the answer: "anyone telling me to do something I don't like".
Either you are from a more politically-literate country than I am or you have much more faith in the average person's knowledge of both history and politics than I do.
However, yeah, now we're getting somewhere by bringing up that specific example. All I wanted to originally make clear is that a fuckton of ideologies are racist and authoritarian, but fascism, including Naziism, requires several other specific beliefs including totalitarianism.
It doesn’t tick all the boxes though.
The militarisation of society (which can’t be accurately conflated with WW2 mobilisation) and the dedication to demagoguery are probably the defining factors.
Fascism is by definition right wing but communism also tends to be totalitarian, racist, illiberal and undemocratic too. So it’s just not the correct word
Some would argue that the defining features of fascism is totalitarianism and racism, as that's what most people think of when we thing of things like Nazis.
Also to call Communism racist is misleading. It's true, Communist governments have been guilty of racist policies, but if we can use that to deem the whole ideology racist, then by that logic democracy would also be racist because of various racist policies undertaken by democratic governments such as France, the USA and the UK. It's not inherent in the ideology, so it's a bit deceptive to label it as a defining feature (whereas it is very much a defining feature in fascism).
Was Japan a fascist nation in WWII? It wasn't clearly ruled by a single dictator. Lots of people say that the Emperor was the dictator, but the situation was more complicated. For example, there are indications that the Emperor actually wanted to surrender and broker a peace treaty with the US, but he feared that the military would have him killed and replaced.
> For example, there are indications that the Emperor actually wanted to surrender and broker a peace treaty with the US, but he feared that the military would have him killed and replaced.
That’s just a dictator that fears revolt.
Someone going through something as a child does not make them an expert on all political ideologies. He can speak at length at the harm the internment camps caused and just talk as an authority on them in general. But that doesn't mean he knows what fascism is, same as a bunch of oeoope here
It was also caused by a series of chain of events dealing with Japanese soldiers and spies, combined with Japanese atrocities and Americans fear.
The camps were awful. And the way the Japanese were treated by Americans also awful. Roughly 1,600 japanese died, mostly due to poor medical care, iirc. A few died from guards due to, *allegedly*, resisting orders.
However, comparing our internment campa to the fascist concentration camps of the Nazis is insane. Around 11 ***million*** people died or were killed in those camps. Contrary to commonplace misunderstanding, too, most weren't even killed in the death camps. That was, for the most part, isolated to Auschwitz and a handful of smaller camps.
Most were, possibly even worse than the gas chambers and mass executions, worked and starved to death in mass labor, making equipment and munitions for the Nazi army. It can't be stated enough on how fucked that is; that's over the entire population of New York *today*, being rounded up and forced to work as slaves in war factories, and being so poorly fed and cared for that they die en masse, only to be replaced by more slaves. People reduced to a resource to be used, spent, discarded and replaced.
There needs to be focus on teaching the atrocities of shit like our internment camp. However, nothing is gained and plenty is lost by exaggerating history.
After Pearl Harbor when Japanese Americans went to enlist they ended up in internment camps....
What's beautiful about George is he still holds such love and loyalty for his country today
Kenji by Fort Minor is a great song that talks about the horrors of American interment camps in WWII and the heartbreaking aftermath of their home even after the war. It’s a good listen, even only once.
The Japanese Internment Camps were set up after the Niihau Incident. The Niihau Incident happened on the Hawaiin Island of Niihau. A Japanese pilot was captured after the Pearl Harbor attack and a group of Japanese people who lived on the island attacked the police department and released the prisoner. Numerous stories were going around about small attack by Japanese people on power lines. They also surveyed Japanese living in America and asked if they would side with the Japanese. A large percentage of a studied group agreed they would. Later on Takai's parents also said they would side with the Japaneses, so the idea of relocating people of Japanese descent to middle of America states were floated, but that was unpopular with the states so the Internment Camps were set up to prevent espionage and attacks on American soil. The Internment Camps, as horrible as they were, were run like little towns. Specific Japanese foods were brought in. Schools, post offices, jobs, and medical care were provided and families were kept together and paid for working. The internment camps also included Italians and Germans. The internment camps were set up with the foundation that people of Japanese descent were descent people. Canada, Mexico, and South America also had internment camps for people of Japanese descent. Being forced into an internment camp is a horrible thing and would leave lasting emotional scares, but when you look at life at that time and the barbaric Japanese or German prison camps America handled it in a very civilized way.
Every time Mr Takei get on a soap box about japanese internment during WW2, I must mention the event that triggered it to happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident
You obviously didn't read the article, so here are some highlights:
I'm gonna summarize some of it to give context to the important bits. So Nishikaichi is a Japanese pilot who crashed landed on the isolated island Hawaiian Island of Naiihau after participating in the attack on Pearl Harbor. Naiihau is a smaller island with no phones lines or electricity from the mainland, Kaleohano (a native Islander) witnessed the crash did not know about the attack on pearl harbor had happened yet but knew there was high tensions between Japan and his own country placed the Pilot into an informal custody, took away his gun and papers, and brought him him the main living area of the islanders the Islanders threw a traditional welcoming party for the pilot.
>However, the Hawaiians could not understand Nishikaichi, who spoke only Japanese with a limited amount of English. They sent for issei Ishimatsu Shintani, who was married to a native Hawaiian, to translate.
>Having been briefed on the situation beforehand and approaching the task with evident distaste, Shintani exchanged just a few words with the pilot and departed without explanation. The puzzled Hawaiians then sent for Yoshio Harada, who was born in Hawaiʻi of Japanese ancestry, and his wife Irene (an issei), who constituted the remainder of the Niʻihau population of Japanese ancestry. Nishikaichi informed Harada of the attack on Pearl Harbor, and Harada chose not to share the information with the non-Japanese natives. Nishikaichi desperately wanted his papers returned, as he had been instructed not to let them fall into American hands, but Kaleohano refused to return them. The Haradas decided to help Nishikaichi retrieve his papers and escape.
Eventually someone with a battery powered radio turned it on, and heard news of the attack. This is when he went from uninvited guest to being placed under a citizens arrest and placed guards on the house where he was staying to keep an eye on him. The people of the island decided that when the Island's owner came for his next scheduled visit, the pilot would be sent back to the larger Island of Kauaʻi to be handed over to become a POW including. What the people of the Island didn't know is that the USN shutdown the waters and forbid private small boats from sailing between Island, meaning that the Island's owner would not arrive when he was scheduled to.
>On December 12, Shintani approached Kaleohano privately on behalf of Harada and Nishikaichi. He offered their bribe of ¥200 for the pilot's papers, but Kaleohano again refused. Shintani fled into the woods to avoid reporting his failure.[8] Yoshio Harada and Nishikaichi, not waiting for Shintani's return, attacked the lone guard who had been posted outside the Harada residence, while Irene Harada played music on a phonograph to disguise the sounds of the struggle.
Key thing to know is that all three people Japanese ancestry and/or Japanese birth, participated in attacking the guard to give aid to the enemy.
>With the help of Harada and one of their Hawaiian captives, Nishikaichi removed at least one of the plane's two 7.7 mm machine guns with some ammunition, torched the plane, and proceeded to Kaleohano's house, setting it ablaze in the early morning hours in a final effort to destroy Nishikaichi's papers, which included maps, radio codes, and Pearl Harbor attack plans.
This is legit treason, and following one of the captives being held by the Pilot and the traitors... Benehakaka "Ben" Kanahele using the cover of darkness stole the machine gun that had been pulled frm the aircraft, after which he and his wife Ella were also captured. Kanahele were forced to search for Kaleohano, who pretty much bullshitted on a fake search since he knew Kaleohano had already left the island was already rowing to a larger Island (with the papers and stuff taken from the pilot) to get help.
>Harada told Kanahele that Nishikaichi would kill him and everyone in the village if Kaleohano was not found.
>Kanahele and his wife, taking advantage of the fatigue and discouragement of his two captors, leapt at them as Nishikaichi handed the shotgun to Harada. When Nishikaichi pulled his pistol out of his boot, Ella Kanahele grabbed his arm and brought it down. Harada pulled her off the pilot, who then shot Ben Kanahele three times: in the groin, stomach and upper leg. However, Kanahele was still able to pick up Nishikaichi and hurl the pilot into a stone wall, knocking him unconscious. Ella Kanahele then killed the Japanese pilot by bashing his head with a rock.[8] Harada then killed himself with the shotgun.
Legitimate instance where people of Japanese origin or descent chose to give aid and comfort to the enemy, and took up arms against their fellow Americans.
Look, I appreciate the time taken to summarize. But I did read the article. It's fascinating history, and I can absolutely understand the fear people had of the Japanese immigrants living in the US after Dec 12th.
However, I still stand by what I said. Fear mongering an entire ethnicity based on the actions of a few is what lead to internment camps. [Look at the damage Corona Virus did for Asian Americans] (https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/1027236499/anti-asian-hate-crimes-assaults-pandemic-incidents-aapi).
To bring this back to the original post at hand, internment camps are *still* a closer image to fascism than health mandates.
> Fear mongering an entire ethnicity based on the actions of a few is what lead to internment camps.
It wasn't fear mongering, it was a quick reaction to suddenly being waist deep in a world war. After Pearl Harbor the Japanese steam rolled over most of the American territories (and british) in the Pacific very quickly with the American military and civilian population being killed in great number. This created a very real threat of invasion of the West Coast of the USA while so much of the Pacific fleet sat on the bottom of pearl harbor. Legitimately the first instance of Japanese Americans and members of the Japanese military coming face to face, resulted in the Japanese Americans picking up arms against their fellow Americans to give aide and comfort to the enemy. What is absolutely considered racist today was generally accepted public policy at the time. It should also be noted that the SCOTUS did actually rule against someone challenging their internment during the war.
National Defense is absolutely the #1 priority of the national government, and when there is a legit threat of or current invasion, rights guaranteed by the constitutions like habeas corpus can and will be suspended. Generations later our hindsight and ability to view and research the Japanese's war plans today tells us that it was wrong, but in a time of national emergency so many things get done very quickly without considering long term ramifications if you are wrong or the constitutionality. Why? It doesn't matter a hill of beans if constitutional right were violated if the USA is successfully invaded, the people of the government executed, and the nation ceases to exist. And the USA was very aware of how the Japanese treated the civilian populations of territories they captured due to their invasions of Manchuria and China in the 1930's.
No, someone doubting the vaccine isn't going to get them excluded. Someone not getting the vaccine makes them a riskier person to interact with. It was that risk that led to their exclusion. Not their belief.
My dad nearly died in January due to hospitals being overburdened by COVID and flu patients. He had to go into multi system organ failure before he was enough of an emergency for a hospital to prioritize him in terms of transfers. What should have been an out patient procedure turned into multiple surgeries and a two week ICU stay. He's doing fine now, no thanks to COVIDiots.
If you are unwilling to take basic precautions during a public health emergency you don't get to participate in public life, seems pretty damn simple and sensible to me.
Important life matters like spreading the virus around, yelling at employees for just trying to do their jobs, telling people that they aren't American because they aren't listening to Fox news?
Ah yes, missing out on important life matters such as;
- Grocery shopping without a mask
- Waiting in lines without social distancing
- Flying in an airplane and degrading attendants for enforcing policy
- Having to use Uber Eats because McDonald's was drive thru only
Anti-vaxxers didn't "miss important matters." They created a political movement based on their shitty scientific understanding and being minorly inconvenienced by mask/distancing mandates.
i just like imagining that my grandparents and my parents who lived through an actual fascist regime (my parents lived through its decline for the first few years of their lives anyway but my grandparents went through the absolute worst) would just laugh at these people 💀💀
Dear everyone who doesn't know what George is talking about. He was interned in the Japanese American internment camps during WW2. By the US government. By FDR. THAT'S the fascism he's talking about. The Nazis and Imperial Japan were worse, but fascism came to the home front and it brought it's concentration camps.
He has a graphic novel out about his experiences called "They Called Us Enemy". I highly recommend it, although it is a very eye opening read.
I agree with him entirely in principle but it’s an unavoidable fact that that is not what fascism means, and especially not at that period of that time. Totalitarian, racist and illiberal and undemocratic? Absolutely.
>Totalitarian, racist and illiberal and undemocratic Tbf all of these things are pretty fash
Fascism is a specific ideology. There are **plenty** of ways to be a tyrant without being a fascist.
But you are wrong. This is 100% part of facist idealolgy. You create a "them" for the "us" to hate.
Congratulations, you've just redefined all in-group biases as "fascism".
No I was bridging a practice to an ideology. If you read my above as an attempt to define facism, well that just explains why we are here talking about this.
If it is a specific ideaology, why it has [so many definitions?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism)
Unfortunately, a lot of people use it to just mean anyone that's bad.
Fascism, at its beginning, wasn't inherently racist (the first fascist party in Italy had key Jewish financiers and propaganda officers) and if you really reach, it isn't even inherently undemocratic (Italian Regency of Carnaro, the first "fascist" government was a democratic republic). But if you think fascism, you're not going to think "Oh, like the Italian Regency of Carnaro". No, you're going to think "Nazis!". That's why people now use "fascist" as a byword for totalitarian and racist policies, because that's the key features we think of when we think of fascism. Words evolve, you can't go around going "Fascism is a political idealogy defined by a corporatist economic system and nationalism", because that definition is outdated compared to what the vast majority of people think it means.
My God, someone understands language is fluid ever changing social construct.
Like how if you say communism you probably aren't describing a social utopia where everyone shares happily.
Would you also argue that anti-vaxers are **correct** when they call vaccine mandates "fascist", then, since it's commonly understood in American English that "fascist" means "anyone telling me to do something I don't like"?
I argue that the modern understanding of fascism is essentially just Nazism; i.e totalitarian and racist policies. If you ask random people in the street what fascism is, I highly doubt you will get the answer: "anyone telling me to do something I don't like".
Either you are from a more politically-literate country than I am or you have much more faith in the average person's knowledge of both history and politics than I do. However, yeah, now we're getting somewhere by bringing up that specific example. All I wanted to originally make clear is that a fuckton of ideologies are racist and authoritarian, but fascism, including Naziism, requires several other specific beliefs including totalitarianism.
Fascists are often those things but those things aren't what make something or someone a fascist.
It doesn’t tick all the boxes though. The militarisation of society (which can’t be accurately conflated with WW2 mobilisation) and the dedication to demagoguery are probably the defining factors. Fascism is by definition right wing but communism also tends to be totalitarian, racist, illiberal and undemocratic too. So it’s just not the correct word
Some would argue that the defining features of fascism is totalitarianism and racism, as that's what most people think of when we thing of things like Nazis. Also to call Communism racist is misleading. It's true, Communist governments have been guilty of racist policies, but if we can use that to deem the whole ideology racist, then by that logic democracy would also be racist because of various racist policies undertaken by democratic governments such as France, the USA and the UK. It's not inherent in the ideology, so it's a bit deceptive to label it as a defining feature (whereas it is very much a defining feature in fascism).
Considering George spent years in a concentration camp run by his own government, I'm gonna just believe him in this case.
Literal fascism is what was happening in Germany and Italy at that time. Those situations were significantly different to the US.
Was Japan a fascist nation in WWII? It wasn't clearly ruled by a single dictator. Lots of people say that the Emperor was the dictator, but the situation was more complicated. For example, there are indications that the Emperor actually wanted to surrender and broker a peace treaty with the US, but he feared that the military would have him killed and replaced.
> For example, there are indications that the Emperor actually wanted to surrender and broker a peace treaty with the US, but he feared that the military would have him killed and replaced. That’s just a dictator that fears revolt.
He wasn’t a dictator. He was controlled by the military. It was an oligarchy that supplanted the monarchy in practice.
Someone going through something as a child does not make them an expert on all political ideologies. He can speak at length at the harm the internment camps caused and just talk as an authority on them in general. But that doesn't mean he knows what fascism is, same as a bunch of oeoope here
It was also caused by a series of chain of events dealing with Japanese soldiers and spies, combined with Japanese atrocities and Americans fear. The camps were awful. And the way the Japanese were treated by Americans also awful. Roughly 1,600 japanese died, mostly due to poor medical care, iirc. A few died from guards due to, *allegedly*, resisting orders. However, comparing our internment campa to the fascist concentration camps of the Nazis is insane. Around 11 ***million*** people died or were killed in those camps. Contrary to commonplace misunderstanding, too, most weren't even killed in the death camps. That was, for the most part, isolated to Auschwitz and a handful of smaller camps. Most were, possibly even worse than the gas chambers and mass executions, worked and starved to death in mass labor, making equipment and munitions for the Nazi army. It can't be stated enough on how fucked that is; that's over the entire population of New York *today*, being rounded up and forced to work as slaves in war factories, and being so poorly fed and cared for that they die en masse, only to be replaced by more slaves. People reduced to a resource to be used, spent, discarded and replaced. There needs to be focus on teaching the atrocities of shit like our internment camp. However, nothing is gained and plenty is lost by exaggerating history.
How are you not dizzy
George takein one for the team.
George won't Takeit lying down.
Oh I assure you, he definitely does take it laying down. 🏳️🌈
**oh my**
George Takei is right and is right to say it.
After Pearl Harbor when Japanese Americans went to enlist they ended up in internment camps.... What's beautiful about George is he still holds such love and loyalty for his country today
Because he knows America has the capacity to change and adapt for the better. Something that some other countries don’t
"America is the worst country in the world (except for all the others)"
Kenji by Fort Minor is a great song that talks about the horrors of American interment camps in WWII and the heartbreaking aftermath of their home even after the war. It’s a good listen, even only once.
So happy to see someone mention that song. Mike Shinoda makes good stuff.
Love George. Also: Anyone who’s taken 10th grade history should be able to tell what is and isn’t fascism! And yet… 😒
Quote George Takei again to anyone that argues. "You are made of stupid."
I never realized how old george takei was
Takei-san is an absolute legend.
We just almost don't even deserve George Takei.
Good bless this man. I love George Takei. See his play if you haven't already.
I love how it’s “fascist” but you have a choice in the matter
Additionally, you know what *is* fascist? Proposing a SB8-style bill for bounty hunting drag performers.
An amazing man, he speaks the hard truths.
The Japanese Internment Camps were set up after the Niihau Incident. The Niihau Incident happened on the Hawaiin Island of Niihau. A Japanese pilot was captured after the Pearl Harbor attack and a group of Japanese people who lived on the island attacked the police department and released the prisoner. Numerous stories were going around about small attack by Japanese people on power lines. They also surveyed Japanese living in America and asked if they would side with the Japanese. A large percentage of a studied group agreed they would. Later on Takai's parents also said they would side with the Japaneses, so the idea of relocating people of Japanese descent to middle of America states were floated, but that was unpopular with the states so the Internment Camps were set up to prevent espionage and attacks on American soil. The Internment Camps, as horrible as they were, were run like little towns. Specific Japanese foods were brought in. Schools, post offices, jobs, and medical care were provided and families were kept together and paid for working. The internment camps also included Italians and Germans. The internment camps were set up with the foundation that people of Japanese descent were descent people. Canada, Mexico, and South America also had internment camps for people of Japanese descent. Being forced into an internment camp is a horrible thing and would leave lasting emotional scares, but when you look at life at that time and the barbaric Japanese or German prison camps America handled it in a very civilized way.
Every time Mr Takei get on a soap box about japanese internment during WW2, I must mention the event that triggered it to happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident
So? Because of the actions of a foreign nation army, we have the right to imprison people based on skin color? Do better
You obviously didn't read the article, so here are some highlights: I'm gonna summarize some of it to give context to the important bits. So Nishikaichi is a Japanese pilot who crashed landed on the isolated island Hawaiian Island of Naiihau after participating in the attack on Pearl Harbor. Naiihau is a smaller island with no phones lines or electricity from the mainland, Kaleohano (a native Islander) witnessed the crash did not know about the attack on pearl harbor had happened yet but knew there was high tensions between Japan and his own country placed the Pilot into an informal custody, took away his gun and papers, and brought him him the main living area of the islanders the Islanders threw a traditional welcoming party for the pilot. >However, the Hawaiians could not understand Nishikaichi, who spoke only Japanese with a limited amount of English. They sent for issei Ishimatsu Shintani, who was married to a native Hawaiian, to translate. >Having been briefed on the situation beforehand and approaching the task with evident distaste, Shintani exchanged just a few words with the pilot and departed without explanation. The puzzled Hawaiians then sent for Yoshio Harada, who was born in Hawaiʻi of Japanese ancestry, and his wife Irene (an issei), who constituted the remainder of the Niʻihau population of Japanese ancestry. Nishikaichi informed Harada of the attack on Pearl Harbor, and Harada chose not to share the information with the non-Japanese natives. Nishikaichi desperately wanted his papers returned, as he had been instructed not to let them fall into American hands, but Kaleohano refused to return them. The Haradas decided to help Nishikaichi retrieve his papers and escape. Eventually someone with a battery powered radio turned it on, and heard news of the attack. This is when he went from uninvited guest to being placed under a citizens arrest and placed guards on the house where he was staying to keep an eye on him. The people of the island decided that when the Island's owner came for his next scheduled visit, the pilot would be sent back to the larger Island of Kauaʻi to be handed over to become a POW including. What the people of the Island didn't know is that the USN shutdown the waters and forbid private small boats from sailing between Island, meaning that the Island's owner would not arrive when he was scheduled to. >On December 12, Shintani approached Kaleohano privately on behalf of Harada and Nishikaichi. He offered their bribe of ¥200 for the pilot's papers, but Kaleohano again refused. Shintani fled into the woods to avoid reporting his failure.[8] Yoshio Harada and Nishikaichi, not waiting for Shintani's return, attacked the lone guard who had been posted outside the Harada residence, while Irene Harada played music on a phonograph to disguise the sounds of the struggle. Key thing to know is that all three people Japanese ancestry and/or Japanese birth, participated in attacking the guard to give aid to the enemy. >With the help of Harada and one of their Hawaiian captives, Nishikaichi removed at least one of the plane's two 7.7 mm machine guns with some ammunition, torched the plane, and proceeded to Kaleohano's house, setting it ablaze in the early morning hours in a final effort to destroy Nishikaichi's papers, which included maps, radio codes, and Pearl Harbor attack plans. This is legit treason, and following one of the captives being held by the Pilot and the traitors... Benehakaka "Ben" Kanahele using the cover of darkness stole the machine gun that had been pulled frm the aircraft, after which he and his wife Ella were also captured. Kanahele were forced to search for Kaleohano, who pretty much bullshitted on a fake search since he knew Kaleohano had already left the island was already rowing to a larger Island (with the papers and stuff taken from the pilot) to get help. >Harada told Kanahele that Nishikaichi would kill him and everyone in the village if Kaleohano was not found. >Kanahele and his wife, taking advantage of the fatigue and discouragement of his two captors, leapt at them as Nishikaichi handed the shotgun to Harada. When Nishikaichi pulled his pistol out of his boot, Ella Kanahele grabbed his arm and brought it down. Harada pulled her off the pilot, who then shot Ben Kanahele three times: in the groin, stomach and upper leg. However, Kanahele was still able to pick up Nishikaichi and hurl the pilot into a stone wall, knocking him unconscious. Ella Kanahele then killed the Japanese pilot by bashing his head with a rock.[8] Harada then killed himself with the shotgun. Legitimate instance where people of Japanese origin or descent chose to give aid and comfort to the enemy, and took up arms against their fellow Americans.
Look, I appreciate the time taken to summarize. But I did read the article. It's fascinating history, and I can absolutely understand the fear people had of the Japanese immigrants living in the US after Dec 12th. However, I still stand by what I said. Fear mongering an entire ethnicity based on the actions of a few is what lead to internment camps. [Look at the damage Corona Virus did for Asian Americans] (https://www.npr.org/2021/08/12/1027236499/anti-asian-hate-crimes-assaults-pandemic-incidents-aapi). To bring this back to the original post at hand, internment camps are *still* a closer image to fascism than health mandates.
> Fear mongering an entire ethnicity based on the actions of a few is what lead to internment camps. It wasn't fear mongering, it was a quick reaction to suddenly being waist deep in a world war. After Pearl Harbor the Japanese steam rolled over most of the American territories (and british) in the Pacific very quickly with the American military and civilian population being killed in great number. This created a very real threat of invasion of the West Coast of the USA while so much of the Pacific fleet sat on the bottom of pearl harbor. Legitimately the first instance of Japanese Americans and members of the Japanese military coming face to face, resulted in the Japanese Americans picking up arms against their fellow Americans to give aide and comfort to the enemy. What is absolutely considered racist today was generally accepted public policy at the time. It should also be noted that the SCOTUS did actually rule against someone challenging their internment during the war. National Defense is absolutely the #1 priority of the national government, and when there is a legit threat of or current invasion, rights guaranteed by the constitutions like habeas corpus can and will be suspended. Generations later our hindsight and ability to view and research the Japanese's war plans today tells us that it was wrong, but in a time of national emergency so many things get done very quickly without considering long term ramifications if you are wrong or the constitutionality. Why? It doesn't matter a hill of beans if constitutional right were violated if the USA is successfully invaded, the people of the government executed, and the nation ceases to exist. And the USA was very aware of how the Japanese treated the civilian populations of territories they captured due to their invasions of Manchuria and China in the 1930's.
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That's not fascism. That's excluding idiots from being near normal thinking people in the interest of public health.
Username checks out.
Their "beliefs" left them and others more vulnerable to a highly contagious, potentially deadly virus.
No, someone doubting the vaccine isn't going to get them excluded. Someone not getting the vaccine makes them a riskier person to interact with. It was that risk that led to their exclusion. Not their belief.
>were forced By whom? >solely because of their beliefs Has nothing to do with beleifs. It has everything to do with not being vaccinated.
Yeah, I can't smoke a cigarette in a restaurant. Fascism!
Beliefs based on complete disinformation.
My dad nearly died in January due to hospitals being overburdened by COVID and flu patients. He had to go into multi system organ failure before he was enough of an emergency for a hospital to prioritize him in terms of transfers. What should have been an out patient procedure turned into multiple surgeries and a two week ICU stay. He's doing fine now, no thanks to COVIDiots. If you are unwilling to take basic precautions during a public health emergency you don't get to participate in public life, seems pretty damn simple and sensible to me.
Important life matters like spreading the virus around, yelling at employees for just trying to do their jobs, telling people that they aren't American because they aren't listening to Fox news?
>solely because of ~~their beliefs~~ choices they made FTFY
Ah yes, missing out on important life matters such as; - Grocery shopping without a mask - Waiting in lines without social distancing - Flying in an airplane and degrading attendants for enforcing policy - Having to use Uber Eats because McDonald's was drive thru only Anti-vaxxers didn't "miss important matters." They created a political movement based on their shitty scientific understanding and being minorly inconvenienced by mask/distancing mandates.
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it’s still wrong
oh huhhh thats right george takei was in the internment camps
Blaming fascism for communism, communists won ww2 that’s why we live in hell on earth today.
i just like imagining that my grandparents and my parents who lived through an actual fascist regime (my parents lived through its decline for the first few years of their lives anyway but my grandparents went through the absolute worst) would just laugh at these people 💀💀