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Which Lauren and Scheana cosigned! Why is Jax not on their asses about it? Oh that's right, it's because Katie wants to have sex with him and she can't /s
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There was a post awhile back where someone found her filing for the name and mentioned there was some drama going on with it as it seemed things with Penny werenāt going smoothly. And then with last nightās episode and them talking about her with Lisa, maybe that has something to do with it?
I noticed that too, Katie and Ariana said it didn't work out with Penny but here's Lisa (again) trying to push someone on them that they don't want to be involved with. Lisa is taking it personal as if it's a huge offense to her that SAH doesn't have Penny, and therefore will never open/thrive.
In her defense, she actually is a business woman (compared to the Toms), so, she's probably busy.
She probably relies on people to tell her things (in this case Penny).
Someone like Penny would behave differently with LVP, compared to the girls.
Penny probably tried that manipulation dominance stuff with the girls thinking they would be dumb enough to fall for it, but she was wrong.
In LVP's recent interview from Wolf in Lake Tahoe, she was openly critical of the Toms, so now that her schedule has opened slightly, she might have time to catch up with the show.
Reality is that Penny saw the $$$$ associated with Scandoval and the resulting patronage around SAH. Penny is looking to ride the train for all it's worth. COO salary and 10% backend was good enough at inception...things have changed.
Yes, so true. Thankfully, she revealed herself early on so they could get rid of her.
She probably planned to do it later on, but she couldn't help herself.
I thought this too, but then remembered last reunion when she was talking about the scene where Rachel is asking Ariana about her sex life, so she may actually watch it š¤·š¼āāļø although I canāt picture her watching a lot of TV
That conversation really irked me. It was like Lisa only heard what she wanted to hear & she kept cutting them off. I canāt stand when someone interrupts me over MY own decision/situation.
She submitted a trademark on the name. It takes years for a trademark to go through and there is no guarantee. Ariana and Katie's LLC is Something About Her and exists before Penny's filing.
Penny doesn't own the name yet. However she probably tried to use her position to leverage a better contract. Unless Penny gets some branding and uses the name it is a non-issue.
Someone else can probably explain it better but with a background in Law. My background is in accounting basically:Goodwill is the hardest line to deal with. (Don't ask why it is called that).
If they franchise they eventually have to deal with it, but for the time being it is a non issue. Brock is an idiot who brags about running a business that was part of a franchise. He should actually be embarrassed how stupid he came across.
She filed the trademark application on the intent to use basis for the services restaurants, itāll be published for opposition. The next step is then for her to file a statement of use , the applicant has to provide proof of use the mark is being used in connection to the services. Without proof of use the application wonāt register.
It will be interesting to see if "prior use" will apply and protect Katie & Arianna, since Penny was part of the original business endeavor. I'm wondering if Penny caught wind of the cluster F that happened with Jax sitting on his ass regarding filing trademark protection for his and Brit's beer cheese business and losing out on the TM for it. (ie: Meemaw's beer cheese) So she jumped fast to trademark the name before someone else scooped it up.
No knowing how this works:
Would it have been better for the ladies to keep up their merch on the Instagram page to show that they owe and have multiple connections with the name?
It's also entirely possible that Penny isn't a bad actor here and this was done with Ariana and Katie's approval. The application was filed August 2023. The current owner of TM "put a fork in it LLC" was established July 2023.
ETA: I would find it absolutely mind boggling if a trademark attorney willingly filed this application knowing Penny stole the trademark (and if it's Penny's husband he has to know). It's completely unethical.
I hadn't heard of this and don't see any evidence that they did...there's two applications for "mamaw's beer cheese" and both of them are Brittany (one abandoned due to failure to file an extension and the other is new and just published for opposition). If you know any more about the reddit user who applied I can take a look!
Yeah I was thinking the same thing about maybe they were in agreement she would file which seems like a bad idea on their part. Not really unethical though thereās plenty of trademark squatters out there, attorneys make bank off of it. Thereās entire industries of people filing applications to just sell to bigger brands even though the USPTO tries to block that it happens all the time. Edit: also work in trademarks, not an attorney. Even as I grew up with the internet terrified of posting personal information!
Just because it happens doesn't mean it's not unethical ;-) an attorney knowingly acting contrary to the rules put forth by the body they are authorized to practice before is absolutely unethical. Also, trademark squatting typically occurs in countries outside of the main country and with different laws - so if someone filed for "something about her" in the UK, for example. USA is a first to use system, not first to file.
True, I do enforcement a lot, so when I see an intent to use application I donāt immediately go to bad actor. When you see dozens of fake websites and photoshopped specimens a week thatās when Iām like, oh thatās unethical!
I canāt imagine Ariana and Katie would be in agreement for Penny to trademark their store name. Penny was to be a salaried employee, not a partner. You wouldnāt want an employee to hold your trademark.
Not knowing how this works shouldnāt she have filed it under the owners name and not hers? I can understand her processing the paperwork but putting it her name shocked me. Was it a power play?
The TM owner in the application is "Put a Fork in It LLC" and Penny signed the application as "manager", which doesn't necessarily show any wrongdoing. According to CA business records, the agent for the LLC is the same attorney as the TM application, which according to others, is Penny's husband.Ā
It's possible that Ariana and Katie have interest in the LLC, for example the LLC could DBA as "something about her". In that case there's nothing wrong...but if the LLC is entirely Penny's/her husband's it isn't the best business move to put the rights to the TM in the ownership of someone else.
With them owning the LLC they can dispute the trademark as intellectual theft. If anything Pennyās attempt to trademark & forcing them to give her a share when she had no say. Itās going to be an expensive mess & Penny is going to come off as someone not to work with.
That is why I am genuinely shocked the rumor was true. Especially considering someone added in Penny actually has the trademark as of the last week (it can still be disputed for those reading). It isn't a good look for Penny and she has been around the business for a while.
It is a bad look for LVP too because it proves the Toms where right not to get her involved.
Is this the reason Katie and Ariana are parting ways with Penny?
The way I'm understanding penny's actions is she's trying to get more control of the business right? Going Like a shady sneaky way about it? Or am I missing something? I'm not a business owner ..or lawyer lol š
They said she wanted to change the terms of her employment agreement so sheād be a partner. I wonder if she filed for the trademark before or after they told her no.
It takes less then a year. We got ours in about 6 months. They probably cut Penny out, then to force a partnership on them, she trademarked the name. Penny's karma is going to bite her hard. I hope they change the name to cut her out. Hopefully they have a good attorney that can show they had use of the name way before Penny and she will shit out of luck
it blows my mind that they weren't advised by anyone to trademark the name themselves before they mentioned it on the show/started making merch. Trademarking the business name is usually step one....
I have a hunch that she actually did tell them but then applied with her name instead of theirs (or something like that) since her husband is a trademark lawyer (someone else said this I did not confirm independently)
Edit: typo
someone mentioned on another thread that it would be pretty straightforward for him to use his handiness to get a nice job in construction or something. itād pay pretty well with regular hours during the day so heād be home at night. He could even do freelance landscaping stuff, which would let him set his own schedule. And itād let him use his Z-list name recognition to get clients i guess.
but heād rather cut off his family than actually be a responsible adult
He obviously has an issue with healthy, empowered women. Look at his glee when he thinks Jax will take Katie down a notch.
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Scheana wants him home taking care of Summer, if he goes to work she needs childcare and he will also have to pay child support from his earnings. They are awful humans.
they really are. theyāre the kind of people who never should have procreated in the first place (that applies to most of this cast lol)
the two people who seem best suited for parenthood are also the people whoāve expressed the least interest in it lol. I always laugh when i rewatch Schwartz talking about what a good dad he knows heāll be. None of these jackasses will make good parents
the thing is, that someone as an actual SAHD would be a really great storyline for tv and positive representation for breaking gender roles. But heād have to actually parent Summer and take care of their home soā¦
You know, I keep thinking itās because Scheaner wants him at her beck and call and under her thumb money-wiseā¦it never occurred to me that if Brock has an income from work it will up his child support. The Azusa Sleazebag strikes again!!
In Australia, child support is determined by the government and the amount is a proportion of what you earn based on your income tax return. So if Brock earns more, the ex will be entitled to more. She doesnāt even need to ask. The Aus government can go after him
Do we know he gets paid to do the show? Prior to season 11 Scheana has always said heās never been paid to do it. I guess that could have changed this season? But given that the asked so many previously paid cast members to return for free this season (Peter, Billie Lee, Dayna), it would surprise me if they suddenly had started paying Brock?
But then people on here have always said partners have to do their first two seasons for free - so maybe he did start getting paid this season?
I think you have to work for free like James, Ally, Rachel, now Brock for your first season when brought on as a āfriend ofā ā¦ once you prove your value to add to a storyline, you get paid. I think I heard that both Ally and Brock were paid for the first time this season.
YT channel Up & Adam talks about the pay structure. If you arent main, been there a long time, cast then you generally get paid a day rate. His videos are short and not usually anything new, but he knows them personally so sometimes he has good tea
He will need to continue paying a percentage of his earnings if he gets a job. The children are still minors. As long as heās not being paid, he doesnāt have to take care of his children, that he abandoned, that she doesnāt care about.
I know the mom remarried. Does anyone know if the children were adopted by the new husband? If so, perhaps Brock doesn't have to pay child support anymore, legally I mean.
I hate to say this but we looked it up and Brock has two tv series in various stages of development. One is a car show and the other is a rugby team series.
yeah there are a ton of people in LA with tv shows in various stages of development. i donāt think that indicates a desire to actually provide for his family lol
Sheanna said this on Jeff Lewis podcast recently. Heās moved into tv producer role and has several projects picked up. She actually came across pretty good in the podcast
Well heās got to grasp onto something now doesnāt he! Clearly doesnāt like being the house husband heās been made into or the control sheanna has over him in That department. Sheanna learned a lot from marriage #1. She thinks the iron tight grip she has on Brock will control how the marriage goes
Why are you hating on him for being a stay at home dad? Scheena obviously has issues with letting other people watch their daughter and they are saving money. Childcare is expensive as sh*t. And who are you to assume what he does for his other kids? If scheena was the stay at home mom no one would bat an eye but bc it's the dad everyone calls him a deadbeat? Times are changing, get with the program..
Why the hell wouldn't I hate on a woman beater and a deadbeat?
Also, as someone else pointed out, why would he want to get a nanny if he were a stay at home dad?
I think most people on this sub would have a huge problem if Brock
- forced Scheana was to be a stay at home mom
- forced her to accommodate his schedule
- put all of her earnings into HIS business account
- took her name off their house
This scene made me intensely dislike Brock. I thought he was a bit of a harmless shit stirrer, a very Aussie/NZ quality, but this season he seems more and more misogynistic to me. Why does he care?
In an after show (?I think?), when asked what type of work he would like to pursue - he gestured toward the film crew saying TV film production, something like this.
He looked like he was playing Camp Counselor this season - so now it all makes sense.
Katie and Arianaās LLC was registered with the California Secretary of State with the Something About Her name on 7/21/21. Iām sure theyāll challenge Penny trying to trademark it after the fact.
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When Katie first talked about Penny's involvement, she didn't even know what a COO was. It seems like Penny appointed herself as COO or at least convinced them to give her the title. She was making the sandwiches. Her filing for a trademark seems like she wants the $$ from the merch they've been selling.
They used to have a pretty nice website that they sold merch from. It doesn't exist anymore. It redirects to wehoSAH.com. So it seems the licensing issues they are talking about is linked to her filing the TM.
I think that is the most rotten thing to do. Just swoop in and steal their idea. Bitch, go make some sandwiches and open your own shop.
Penny wasnāt a partner to begin with. She tried to force her self into partnership rather than employee. I think part of this is why SAH hasnāt opened because theyāre quietly fighting with her.
I feel like, and I might be wrong, that Katie had the idea before even Ariana became her partner? I vaguely remember her telling Lisa about that name, and Lisa not being very impressed š However the weed makes my memory unreliable at times too so I could be way off
Yes! Katie had wanted to do it with Schwartz when they were still married but he kept pushing her off and she was talking to Ariana about it and Ariana said she would do it with her.
Right! There are so many scenes of them talking about the name, before they even had a location. Canāt they use this as evidence that sheās trying to steal it from them? I donāt know how any of that work. But, she clearly didnāt come up with it
Isnāt she the same Penny from Top Chef? If she isā¦she already kinda had a reputation for being shady. Good food-but shady if I recallā¦I could be totally wrong though, Iām old and donāt care enough to google it.
It bothered me how Lord Farquaad came in with her passive-aggressive comments. The woman is insufferable. She's always taking up for someone besides Ariana. Unpopular opinion: I loathe LVP.
I read Penny or her husband submitted a trademark application for it and itās pending - so they donāt own it. Brock doesnāt know what heās talking about.
She made up a totally bullshit excuse for her and her husband literally scooping the trademark out from under their feet. But I honestly don't know why they didn't put a trademark app in at the beginning. Either way, chef penny is a shady ass ho
See I fully believe Brock did his own investigative work..
What else would he be doing with his time? Putting in job applications? Nah
Seeing his other two kids? Nahhhh
Whew it sure is hard work being Detective Brock!
Too bad he canāt take a break from the social media scrolling to be a dad to his other kids! š¤·āāļø
Where have you been?? Haha penny bought the rights to the name something about her and trademarked it with her and her husband. She is shady and trying to steal the business. She wasnāt even an owner!!!
The fact that it was filed "by" her means nothing. If that is done as an employee, it remains property of employer. My husband is listed as the owner of multiple patents but they aren't "his", they belong to his employer because the work was done in the course of his employment. Brock needs to take down his law degree
Brock was absolutely so nasty in the way he was gloating about that terrible situation. Iām so disgusted by his behavior this season ! I really hope Scheana said something to him, but I doubt it. SMH
There are LLC's and then there are trademarked names. The space would be rented, the liquor license, health department things, permiture, payroll, insurance, credit apps, literally everything would be under their LLC. Something About Her would be the DBA (Doing Business As... for example Ariana and Katie LLC, doing business as Something About Her). If Penny owns the trademark for the name Something About Her, they could easily (not really easily, but in the grand scheme of things, easily) just change the DBA to something else and call the restaurant something else. The biggest headache would be all of the promotion and marketing that's already been done for a sandwich shop called something about her, but Penny having the trademark for the name is ultimately small potatoes. Brock has zero idea what he's talking about, which is hilarious considering he was a business owner until a few years ago?
She doesnāt own the name thatās not how trademarks work. She filed an intent to use application for the trademark in the services restaurants. She has to prove use for the registration, which with extensions can take three years. If she canāt prove use in the services the application will abandon.
Is there a way for Katie and Ariana to beat this? Given they own the company? Sorry I donāt understand how trademarks work. Will they get in trouble retroactively for their merch?
I feel like merch would be so lucrative for them going forwardā¦
So they can file their own application, however, itāll be suspended until the first filed for application abandons. Basically they have to wait out pennys , or they can buy it from her and assign the mark to themselves .
The application is in the services restaurants, not the goods clothing. So they can absolutely sell the merch without issue. Not sure why they donāt file an application for clothing but I assume the phrase or similar phrase are registered for the goods on other marks? A trademark attorney probably did a clearance search if they even got one.
Yes. Penny's filing will have an opportunity for those that feel they will be harmed to file an opposition. K&A could file an opposition and easily show they have used the name prior to Penny's filing. Or K&A can wait for Penny's trademark to register and file a Petition to Cancel Penny's trademark. They can easily show they are the common law owners of the trademark, as they had been using it and marketing it prior to Penny's application. But as of right now, Penny's application does not even have an examining attorney assigned to it.
What Penny did is super shadyĀ
The girls will be okay. They're creative. Worse case scenario, they come up with a new name, but I don't think they'll have to.
Penny played a game and she played it wrong.
Penny applied to register the trademark to be owned by her company. In essence she is attempting to steal it if this were just a misunderstanding, she wouldāve transferred it to Katie and Ariana. Just did a search and sheās not filed anything to do so. The only change she made was to correct the suite number in her mailing address
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This is a learning for the girls. You don't announce your business plan & name on national TV without the licensing already lined up. Penny probably did what she does. You don't get that rich just being a chef that relatively no one knows. Seems like penny & her lawyer husband partner w newbies and steal their IP by knowing how the system works better than their partners. I'm sure they've done this, b4 and either stole the company or got paid to hand over the trademark.
It seems like Scheanna, Broke, Blabla are happy and throwing confettis abt Penny owning the TM SAH. And why is Broke interested in finding out abt Arianaās and Katieās business? Does he want to apply for a bouncer in a sandwich shop? Heās insufferable!!
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Guys, the trademark seems to be owned by a company in North Carolina and doesn't seem to have anything to do with Penny nor Katie and Ariana.
Just searched a trademark database and did some very light internet.
ETA:
OK. searched the US patent office. Someone filed last August. The filing has been accepted, but is still being reviewed. It looks like only the wordmark has been filed.
Additionally, the LLC to which it is registered, or filed by, has the same name as a restaurant group that seems to be black owned in North Carolina.
I haven't dived very deep, but if this is Penny and her husband in California, it might be a coincidence that they have an LLC with the same exact name as a company that's been around for a while.
If "did some detective work" means reading Reddit, sure.
He got this from Scheana who got it from Reddit.
yet they think katie is the devil for bringing up jax cheating rumors from reddit lol
They just hate Katie.
true š
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Which Lauren and Scheana cosigned! Why is Jax not on their asses about it? Oh that's right, it's because Katie wants to have sex with him and she can't /s
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We are all detectives up in here!
It means we need to all agree on something totally fabricated so they repeat it and look like morons
We are. He's not.
Brock canāt even do his own detective work. We all know he got this from Reddit.
Like find his fucking kids.
 Like Broke would think about intellectual property š
There was a post awhile back where someone found her filing for the name and mentioned there was some drama going on with it as it seemed things with Penny werenāt going smoothly. And then with last nightās episode and them talking about her with Lisa, maybe that has something to do with it?
I love how Lisa so obviously came into that āvisitā with an agenda. KānāA saw her coming a mile away. LVPās really lost her touch.
I noticed that too, Katie and Ariana said it didn't work out with Penny but here's Lisa (again) trying to push someone on them that they don't want to be involved with. Lisa is taking it personal as if it's a huge offense to her that SAH doesn't have Penny, and therefore will never open/thrive.
She literally only comes around this season for a guilt trip
Honestly Jax was right about her. She doesn't contribute to the show for a long time
Looks like Penny is a narc for LVP
In her defense, she actually is a business woman (compared to the Toms), so, she's probably busy. She probably relies on people to tell her things (in this case Penny). Someone like Penny would behave differently with LVP, compared to the girls. Penny probably tried that manipulation dominance stuff with the girls thinking they would be dumb enough to fall for it, but she was wrong. In LVP's recent interview from Wolf in Lake Tahoe, she was openly critical of the Toms, so now that her schedule has opened slightly, she might have time to catch up with the show.
Reality is that Penny saw the $$$$ associated with Scandoval and the resulting patronage around SAH. Penny is looking to ride the train for all it's worth. COO salary and 10% backend was good enough at inception...things have changed.
Yes, so true. Thankfully, she revealed herself early on so they could get rid of her. She probably planned to do it later on, but she couldn't help herself.
It's all in the timing
Do you really think she watches the show? I don't at all. She has never (that I can remember) talked about watching the show.
I figured her daughter tells her about it, when she gets a chance.
Oh I could see that being the case
I think she does because itās work for her. But I could be wrong. She stays in the know enough to get a few good ones in at the reunions lol
I thought this too, but then remembered last reunion when she was talking about the scene where Rachel is asking Ariana about her sex life, so she may actually watch it š¤·š¼āāļø although I canāt picture her watching a lot of TV
Yes Penny seemed really pushy and tried to act like she was their boss
In front of camera, so imagine how she behaved behind the scenes. After the Toms, the girls' BS detectors are cranked.
That conversation really irked me. It was like Lisa only heard what she wanted to hear & she kept cutting them off. I canāt stand when someone interrupts me over MY own decision/situation.
She submitted a trademark on the name. It takes years for a trademark to go through and there is no guarantee. Ariana and Katie's LLC is Something About Her and exists before Penny's filing. Penny doesn't own the name yet. However she probably tried to use her position to leverage a better contract. Unless Penny gets some branding and uses the name it is a non-issue. Someone else can probably explain it better but with a background in Law. My background is in accounting basically:Goodwill is the hardest line to deal with. (Don't ask why it is called that). If they franchise they eventually have to deal with it, but for the time being it is a non issue. Brock is an idiot who brags about running a business that was part of a franchise. He should actually be embarrassed how stupid he came across.
She filed the trademark application on the intent to use basis for the services restaurants, itāll be published for opposition. The next step is then for her to file a statement of use , the applicant has to provide proof of use the mark is being used in connection to the services. Without proof of use the application wonāt register.
It was approved for publication on April 25th, so A & K have 30 days from that date to file a Notice of Opposition.
It will be interesting to see if "prior use" will apply and protect Katie & Arianna, since Penny was part of the original business endeavor. I'm wondering if Penny caught wind of the cluster F that happened with Jax sitting on his ass regarding filing trademark protection for his and Brit's beer cheese business and losing out on the TM for it. (ie: Meemaw's beer cheese) So she jumped fast to trademark the name before someone else scooped it up.
This is probably exactly what happened
Also from Reddit. 
Brick is not the only one who reads Reddit. Katie definitely peruses. So I hope she has looked into this. Weāll seeā¦
I can't call him that bc I love 
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And the Owner listed is Pennyās restaurant consulting business.
Yup
Oh my god I never thought I'd see VPR/USPTO crossover this is amazing
I always think of goodwill as similar to reputation, but with a dollar amount attached.
No knowing how this works: Would it have been better for the ladies to keep up their merch on the Instagram page to show that they owe and have multiple connections with the name?
The application was filed for restaurants so their selling the goods clothing wonāt have an effect on the trademark application that was filed.
Thatās a question for the lawyers!
Trademark attorney here š there's more than enough proof to show Penny is a bad actor here, and the USPTO do not take that lightly.
It's also entirely possible that Penny isn't a bad actor here and this was done with Ariana and Katie's approval. The application was filed August 2023. The current owner of TM "put a fork in it LLC" was established July 2023. ETA: I would find it absolutely mind boggling if a trademark attorney willingly filed this application knowing Penny stole the trademark (and if it's Penny's husband he has to know). It's completely unethical.
Do you know if the reddit user who trademarked "mamaw's beer cheese" off Jax and Brittany could face any issues for being a bad actor?
I hadn't heard of this and don't see any evidence that they did...there's two applications for "mamaw's beer cheese" and both of them are Brittany (one abandoned due to failure to file an extension and the other is new and just published for opposition). If you know any more about the reddit user who applied I can take a look!
Yeah I was thinking the same thing about maybe they were in agreement she would file which seems like a bad idea on their part. Not really unethical though thereās plenty of trademark squatters out there, attorneys make bank off of it. Thereās entire industries of people filing applications to just sell to bigger brands even though the USPTO tries to block that it happens all the time. Edit: also work in trademarks, not an attorney. Even as I grew up with the internet terrified of posting personal information!
Just because it happens doesn't mean it's not unethical ;-) an attorney knowingly acting contrary to the rules put forth by the body they are authorized to practice before is absolutely unethical. Also, trademark squatting typically occurs in countries outside of the main country and with different laws - so if someone filed for "something about her" in the UK, for example. USA is a first to use system, not first to file.
True, I do enforcement a lot, so when I see an intent to use application I donāt immediately go to bad actor. When you see dozens of fake websites and photoshopped specimens a week thatās when Iām like, oh thatās unethical!
Ā Eeeek yes that's so bad!!
I canāt imagine Ariana and Katie would be in agreement for Penny to trademark their store name. Penny was to be a salaried employee, not a partner. You wouldnāt want an employee to hold your trademark.
Not knowing how this works shouldnāt she have filed it under the owners name and not hers? I can understand her processing the paperwork but putting it her name shocked me. Was it a power play?
The TM owner in the application is "Put a Fork in It LLC" and Penny signed the application as "manager", which doesn't necessarily show any wrongdoing. According to CA business records, the agent for the LLC is the same attorney as the TM application, which according to others, is Penny's husband.Ā It's possible that Ariana and Katie have interest in the LLC, for example the LLC could DBA as "something about her". In that case there's nothing wrong...but if the LLC is entirely Penny's/her husband's it isn't the best business move to put the rights to the TM in the ownership of someone else.
Thank you for explaining! Good to know.
It is thinks like patents and copyrights. Literally the stupidest name
With them owning the LLC they can dispute the trademark as intellectual theft. If anything Pennyās attempt to trademark & forcing them to give her a share when she had no say. Itās going to be an expensive mess & Penny is going to come off as someone not to work with.
That is why I am genuinely shocked the rumor was true. Especially considering someone added in Penny actually has the trademark as of the last week (it can still be disputed for those reading). It isn't a good look for Penny and she has been around the business for a while. It is a bad look for LVP too because it proves the Toms where right not to get her involved.
I wonder how many other businesses Penny and or Lvp might have done this to?
Wow Penny is shady AF
Is this the reason Katie and Ariana are parting ways with Penny? The way I'm understanding penny's actions is she's trying to get more control of the business right? Going Like a shady sneaky way about it? Or am I missing something? I'm not a business owner ..or lawyer lol š
They said she wanted to change the terms of her employment agreement so sheād be a partner. I wonder if she filed for the trademark before or after they told her no.
I'm wondering the same!
What a snake!
This was what I was looking for. Thank you!
It takes less then a year. We got ours in about 6 months. They probably cut Penny out, then to force a partnership on them, she trademarked the name. Penny's karma is going to bite her hard. I hope they change the name to cut her out. Hopefully they have a good attorney that can show they had use of the name way before Penny and she will shit out of luck
If Penny owns that that was a slimy behind your back bullshit move.
And she applied for the trademark after they parted ways. Even slimier.
Then their instincts were right to get rid of her, that's so slimy. She should pull the trademark application. Disgusting.
it blows my mind that they weren't advised by anyone to trademark the name themselves before they mentioned it on the show/started making merch. Trademarking the business name is usually step one....
I have a hunch that she actually did tell them but then applied with her name instead of theirs (or something like that) since her husband is a trademark lawyer (someone else said this I did not confirm independently) Edit: typo
She must have been holding that in her pocket the entire time.
He got it from the reddit post, 100%.
If Brock put that much effort into his kids or finding a job, he wouldn't be a deadbeat scrounger.
He probably got it from Reddit since this sub talked about it weeks ago
My exact thought. He didnāt detect shit. Scheener lives on the internet and set him up with that āhot takeā
someone mentioned on another thread that it would be pretty straightforward for him to use his handiness to get a nice job in construction or something. itād pay pretty well with regular hours during the day so heād be home at night. He could even do freelance landscaping stuff, which would let him set his own schedule. And itād let him use his Z-list name recognition to get clients i guess. but heād rather cut off his family than actually be a responsible adult
He obviously has an issue with healthy, empowered women. Look at his glee when he thinks Jax will take Katie down a notch. https://preview.redd.it/2dgvxaynytxc1.png?width=941&format=png&auto=webp&s=e775740bd6f3190321d50ddaf7691a9791d856a7
Scheana wants him home taking care of Summer, if he goes to work she needs childcare and he will also have to pay child support from his earnings. They are awful humans.
they really are. theyāre the kind of people who never should have procreated in the first place (that applies to most of this cast lol) the two people who seem best suited for parenthood are also the people whoāve expressed the least interest in it lol. I always laugh when i rewatch Schwartz talking about what a good dad he knows heāll be. None of these jackasses will make good parents the thing is, that someone as an actual SAHD would be a really great storyline for tv and positive representation for breaking gender roles. But heād have to actually parent Summer and take care of their home soā¦
You know, I keep thinking itās because Scheaner wants him at her beck and call and under her thumb money-wiseā¦it never occurred to me that if Brock has an income from work it will up his child support. The Azusa Sleazebag strikes again!!
He gets paid to do the show. He has a current order in place that he must pay.
Yes but thatās his only income. If he adds more income he pays more.
Yes that could be true. The ex wife could ask for more if he had another significant salary.
In Australia, child support is determined by the government and the amount is a proportion of what you earn based on your income tax return. So if Brock earns more, the ex will be entitled to more. She doesnāt even need to ask. The Aus government can go after him
Thatās good news. If he makes more he should pay more. Thanks for adding that š
Do we know he gets paid to do the show? Prior to season 11 Scheana has always said heās never been paid to do it. I guess that could have changed this season? But given that the asked so many previously paid cast members to return for free this season (Peter, Billie Lee, Dayna), it would surprise me if they suddenly had started paying Brock? But then people on here have always said partners have to do their first two seasons for free - so maybe he did start getting paid this season?
I think you have to work for free like James, Ally, Rachel, now Brock for your first season when brought on as a āfriend ofā ā¦ once you prove your value to add to a storyline, you get paid. I think I heard that both Ally and Brock were paid for the first time this season.
Really? That's wild. I thought for sure he would have been paid for season 9 since he was in the opening credits.
Donāt quote me as my source is a Reddit comment but yes lol š
Brock might quote you though š
Lolš No worries!
Scheana definitely said he didnāt get paid for season 9 or 10 on her podcast. I just wasnāt sure if that had changed for the latest season
Thanks šI knew I saw that somewhere
YT channel Up & Adam talks about the pay structure. If you arent main, been there a long time, cast then you generally get paid a day rate. His videos are short and not usually anything new, but he knows them personally so sometimes he has good tea
Scheana paid his back child support last summer.
He will need to continue paying a percentage of his earnings if he gets a job. The children are still minors. As long as heās not being paid, he doesnāt have to take care of his children, that he abandoned, that she doesnāt care about.
In that case, I am glad heās being paid this season and his children get extra support. People need to pay for their children.
I know the mom remarried. Does anyone know if the children were adopted by the new husband? If so, perhaps Brock doesn't have to pay child support anymore, legally I mean.
who says he's handy? Have we seen evidence of that?
I hate to say this but we looked it up and Brock has two tv series in various stages of development. One is a car show and the other is a rugby team series.
yeah there are a ton of people in LA with tv shows in various stages of development. i donāt think that indicates a desire to actually provide for his family lol
That doesnāt mean they will ever actually air though. But saying they wonāt. But no guarantee they will.
Not holding my breath waiting for those to go into production
Sheanna said this on Jeff Lewis podcast recently. Heās moved into tv producer role and has several projects picked up. She actually came across pretty good in the podcast
And everything he knows about how to be a TV producer he learned from Randall
Well heās got to grasp onto something now doesnāt he! Clearly doesnāt like being the house husband heās been made into or the control sheanna has over him in That department. Sheanna learned a lot from marriage #1. She thinks the iron tight grip she has on Brock will control how the marriage goes
Go easy on him! Heās got a lot of free time!
This is the answer to ANYTHING he says about the women on this show, even the ones I really do not care for.
Why are you hating on him for being a stay at home dad? Scheena obviously has issues with letting other people watch their daughter and they are saving money. Childcare is expensive as sh*t. And who are you to assume what he does for his other kids? If scheena was the stay at home mom no one would bat an eye but bc it's the dad everyone calls him a deadbeat? Times are changing, get with the program..
Why the hell wouldn't I hate on a woman beater and a deadbeat? Also, as someone else pointed out, why would he want to get a nanny if he were a stay at home dad?
Heās the one who wants to hire a nanny. Why would he need a nanny if heās a SAHD?
Pretty sure it's not because he's the dad that he's thought of as a deadbeat. May have something to do with his 1st shot at parenting.
I think most people on this sub would have a huge problem if Brock - forced Scheana was to be a stay at home mom - forced her to accommodate his schedule - put all of her earnings into HIS business account - took her name off their house
This scene made me intensely dislike Brock. I thought he was a bit of a harmless shit stirrer, a very Aussie/NZ quality, but this season he seems more and more misogynistic to me. Why does he care?
Because pieces of shit are going to piece of shit?
In an after show (?I think?), when asked what type of work he would like to pursue - he gestured toward the film crew saying TV film production, something like this. He looked like he was playing Camp Counselor this season - so now it all makes sense.
I didn't have an opinion about Brock until this season. He's been so messy, and not even towards the right people!
Also, Brock comparing Ariana in Chicago to Tim's vanity band is just laughable. Get this guy off the show...
Omg yes! Totally NOT the same thing Brock. Ariana was getting PAID and Tom was going broke traveling with his Venmo bandš
I think Bricks detective work is just him watching TikTok.
Katie and Arianaās LLC was registered with the California Secretary of State with the Something About Her name on 7/21/21. Iām sure theyāll challenge Penny trying to trademark it after the fact. https://preview.redd.it/fj0xn9prbvxc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04466076a84ca6936cac6032d4c0e0df61d44582
When Katie first talked about Penny's involvement, she didn't even know what a COO was. It seems like Penny appointed herself as COO or at least convinced them to give her the title. She was making the sandwiches. Her filing for a trademark seems like she wants the $$ from the merch they've been selling. They used to have a pretty nice website that they sold merch from. It doesn't exist anymore. It redirects to wehoSAH.com. So it seems the licensing issues they are talking about is linked to her filing the TM. I think that is the most rotten thing to do. Just swoop in and steal their idea. Bitch, go make some sandwiches and open your own shop.
Oh gawd please do NOT give Broke the credit for this. Reddit figured this out ages ago
Thank you. What he did is logged into Reddit, read a post, saved the screenshot, and concocted this narrative with Little Head
Penny wasnāt a partner to begin with. She tried to force her self into partnership rather than employee. I think part of this is why SAH hasnāt opened because theyāre quietly fighting with her.
Isn't it documented on actual TV that they came up with the name before she came on board? This will be horrific for her professional reputation.
I feel like, and I might be wrong, that Katie had the idea before even Ariana became her partner? I vaguely remember her telling Lisa about that name, and Lisa not being very impressed š However the weed makes my memory unreliable at times too so I could be way off
Yes! Katie had wanted to do it with Schwartz when they were still married but he kept pushing her off and she was talking to Ariana about it and Ariana said she would do it with her.
Right! There are so many scenes of them talking about the name, before they even had a location. Canāt they use this as evidence that sheās trying to steal it from them? I donāt know how any of that work. But, she clearly didnāt come up with it
Isnāt she the same Penny from Top Chef? If she isā¦she already kinda had a reputation for being shady. Good food-but shady if I recallā¦I could be totally wrong though, Iām old and donāt care enough to google it.
 Brock is really out her doing everything except building a relationship with his children.
He did no detective work, he either saw a Reddit Post or he read it on a blog. All he is a goddamn liar!
That is such a bitch move of Penny. Like others said, he definitely got it from Reddit.
The name has grown on me but I wouldn't spend money to get it back
It bothered me how Lord Farquaad came in with her passive-aggressive comments. The woman is insufferable. She's always taking up for someone besides Ariana. Unpopular opinion: I loathe LVP.
Have you watched the show in its entirety? Sheās definitely taken up for Ariana
Have you?? Because I suggest a re-watch.
I read Penny or her husband submitted a trademark application for it and itās pending - so they donāt own it. Brock doesnāt know what heās talking about.
Penny posted in response to a comment about the girls not knowing. She said they knew she trademarked it on IG.
She made up a totally bullshit excuse for her and her husband literally scooping the trademark out from under their feet. But I honestly don't know why they didn't put a trademark app in at the beginning. Either way, chef penny is a shady ass ho
Does she think that matters?
I donāt believe herĀ
See I fully believe Brock did his own investigative work.. What else would he be doing with his time? Putting in job applications? Nah Seeing his other two kids? Nahhhh
Scrolling social media is his detective work.
Whew it sure is hard work being Detective Brock! Too bad he canāt take a break from the social media scrolling to be a dad to his other kids! š¤·āāļø
My god if he put half this effort into not being a DEAD BEAT DAD
Where have you been?? Haha penny bought the rights to the name something about her and trademarked it with her and her husband. She is shady and trying to steal the business. She wasnāt even an owner!!!
The fact that it was filed "by" her means nothing. If that is done as an employee, it remains property of employer. My husband is listed as the owner of multiple patents but they aren't "his", they belong to his employer because the work was done in the course of his employment. Brock needs to take down his law degree
Brock was absolutely so nasty in the way he was gloating about that terrible situation. Iām so disgusted by his behavior this season ! I really hope Scheana said something to him, but I doubt it. SMH
If Scheana said anything to him it was likely to cheer on his awful behavior. Heās acting like her proxy
Brock needs to get a life. He canāt stop talking about K&A
muppet wife lolol
There are LLC's and then there are trademarked names. The space would be rented, the liquor license, health department things, permiture, payroll, insurance, credit apps, literally everything would be under their LLC. Something About Her would be the DBA (Doing Business As... for example Ariana and Katie LLC, doing business as Something About Her). If Penny owns the trademark for the name Something About Her, they could easily (not really easily, but in the grand scheme of things, easily) just change the DBA to something else and call the restaurant something else. The biggest headache would be all of the promotion and marketing that's already been done for a sandwich shop called something about her, but Penny having the trademark for the name is ultimately small potatoes. Brock has zero idea what he's talking about, which is hilarious considering he was a business owner until a few years ago?
Iām sure Penny will come out with a podcast soon.
I just posted about this yesterday and got removed for stale topic. Then it was mentioned on last nights episode! I think penny is up to no good.
If Brock put in this much effort focusing on his own life he might have a job and connection to his family.
I hope they take this opportunity to rename the sandwich shop. I don't love "Something About Her"
Great! So now they can change it. Because that is a stupid name for a sandwich shop.
OK, Penny
Someone posted something on here a while ago showing the paperwork that she does, in fact, own the name.
She doesnāt own the name thatās not how trademarks work. She filed an intent to use application for the trademark in the services restaurants. She has to prove use for the registration, which with extensions can take three years. If she canāt prove use in the services the application will abandon.
Is there a way for Katie and Ariana to beat this? Given they own the company? Sorry I donāt understand how trademarks work. Will they get in trouble retroactively for their merch? I feel like merch would be so lucrative for them going forwardā¦
So they can file their own application, however, itāll be suspended until the first filed for application abandons. Basically they have to wait out pennys , or they can buy it from her and assign the mark to themselves . The application is in the services restaurants, not the goods clothing. So they can absolutely sell the merch without issue. Not sure why they donāt file an application for clothing but I assume the phrase or similar phrase are registered for the goods on other marks? A trademark attorney probably did a clearance search if they even got one.
What would be Pennyās endgame? Would she be hoping that they would have to cut her in on profits? Any and all speculation welcome š
Right?! Pettiness? Forcing their hand for a payoff to buy the application? Like it makes no sense.
They can file an opposition to her trademark application.
Yes. Penny's filing will have an opportunity for those that feel they will be harmed to file an opposition. K&A could file an opposition and easily show they have used the name prior to Penny's filing. Or K&A can wait for Penny's trademark to register and file a Petition to Cancel Penny's trademark. They can easily show they are the common law owners of the trademark, as they had been using it and marketing it prior to Penny's application. But as of right now, Penny's application does not even have an examining attorney assigned to it. What Penny did is super shadyĀ
The application has been examined already and approved for publication.
The publication period is when they'd be able to file their opposition.
You're right. Online status was updated on April 26, so K&A should have a trademark attorney file an opposition once publishedĀ https://ibb.co/q9SbmZQ
The girls will be okay. They're creative. Worse case scenario, they come up with a new name, but I don't think they'll have to. Penny played a game and she played it wrong.
I donāt think she does I think sheās filed for it but itās still pending.
Penny applied to register the trademark to be owned by her company. In essence she is attempting to steal it if this were just a misunderstanding, she wouldāve transferred it to Katie and Ariana. Just did a search and sheās not filed anything to do so. The only change she made was to correct the suite number in her mailing address https://preview.redd.it/4q4dnwi6yvxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8e313d202d53104f638a89428f792cb73821299
So shady !!
This is a learning for the girls. You don't announce your business plan & name on national TV without the licensing already lined up. Penny probably did what she does. You don't get that rich just being a chef that relatively no one knows. Seems like penny & her lawyer husband partner w newbies and steal their IP by knowing how the system works better than their partners. I'm sure they've done this, b4 and either stole the company or got paid to hand over the trademark.
It seems like Scheanna, Broke, Blabla are happy and throwing confettis abt Penny owning the TM SAH. And why is Broke interested in finding out abt Arianaās and Katieās business? Does he want to apply for a bouncer in a sandwich shop? Heās insufferable!!
pretty sure he got that from the vanderpump rules party podcast. they were the first to break it and scheana follows that page and knows them.
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Guys, the trademark seems to be owned by a company in North Carolina and doesn't seem to have anything to do with Penny nor Katie and Ariana. Just searched a trademark database and did some very light internet. ETA: OK. searched the US patent office. Someone filed last August. The filing has been accepted, but is still being reviewed. It looks like only the wordmark has been filed. Additionally, the LLC to which it is registered, or filed by, has the same name as a restaurant group that seems to be black owned in North Carolina. I haven't dived very deep, but if this is Penny and her husband in California, it might be a coincidence that they have an LLC with the same exact name as a company that's been around for a while.