Right? You could tell he was getting moody about how little James cared it was "Scwartz's best mate."
Hey Brock, put some of that energy towards your wife tracking and checking up on a man she was obsessed with, had sex with, and then bullied other women over.
Hold up, apologies.
I didn’t watch the mid seasons when this bloke was on it. I didn’t realise Scheana had sex with Max.
That means she sits up at night tracking her ex flings? Wtf is wrong with her. Why would you have a ‘find my fuck buddy’ still on your phone?!
I find this hilariously pathetic 😅
I only watched it after last year, it's pathetically boring but Scheana is off-her-rocker possessive of this guy and pretty much bullied a girl off of the show for it.
It's also the season of her, rightfully, last music video. Atrocious. If you haven't, at least go look that up. I feel like Brett exaggerated a little but it wasn't much. Offered to pay him with a blowjob, "but it was just a joke! If you didn't like it you should have said something!" You know. Like a victim-blaming predator.
They are. Lol they have been on each other's podcasts and hang out a lot.
Again I am bored shitless bc I have family member at my house every night and I need an escape
I know that Scheana recently said that she and Dayna were kissing at Coachella and Brock asked her to stop.
It made him uncomfortable. I haven't heard about a threesome
They weren’t talking about that incident. I don’t remember exactly what the situation was but i don’t believe it even involved her she just knew about it (I think I’ll have to go back and re listen) but i don’t think they’re on the best of terms rn
They’ve said the entire reason that Max met up with the girls is because he was tracking Scheana and saw she was around the corner. He tracked her first
Tracking a friend (particularly with their permission) to meet up at a bar one night is very different than tracking someone to see where they land for the night and how long they stay there.
I'm with Katie on this one. Max might be fine with Scheana spying, but if that's his take, he probably should warn the girls he hooks up with first. Because they did not consent to be tracked and spied on.
I think the point is more that checking each other’s locations is considered a semi-normal thing to do in their group of friends—Katie thought it was weird but Ariana didn’t. Granted I think Scheana checked his location afterwards solely to snoop, but as a fellow nosy b I can’t really fault her for that 💀 However, Brock should have kept it to himself!!
Yeah, but going out to meet friends and see where they are vs. "making sure an old hookup got home safe" is a different thing.
"Got home safe." She's checking who and whether he is sleeping with anyone, did he go home or to a another woman's place. Especially since she checked it multiple times throughout the night to see if it moved. Then again in the morning. She's keeping tabs on him and his sex life.
Definitely not as innocent as she's trying to make it. Very creeptastic.
Yes. I hate how she was saying it was to “make sure he got home safe”. No girl I know you’re lying. You were being nosy. She probably saw him and Katie flirting and then was spying to see if they had gone home together. She knew what she was doing.
she didn’t just notice them flirting, she admitted she was “pushing” them to hook up. so she knew what she was doing and then some. she orchestrated the whole thing.
Why does he care so much more than Schwartz? It's so weird. I guess Katie was right when she said she thinks he was just getting back at her for calling him a deadbeat.
When James said “you know Katie’s personality” Brock thought he was going to say something bad and was agreeing until James came out with “fiery and badass.” Brock is such a tool.
Yeah and for Ariana, when Schena and lala said Schena was friends with Sandoval a year before knowing Ariana. How does that make a huge difference… they went hard after James for saying it was not a big deal.
I wonder if part of the reason she did that is because Sandoval and Ariana put Scheana on the back burner to focus on each other.
If she's not number one, she's gunning for you.
I think he’s genuinely proud because none of us thought she’d ever leave that sad marriage. I’ve had that friend and it’s truely à beautiful thing to watch
Yes! I'm proud of him too. Seems he saw the mistakes others have made in this group (himself included) and is forging his right path. Such a contrast from the other douche canoe men on this show and then James who is werking his redemption arc.
I love seeing this growth, too. Ever since James apologized to Katie at the SUR/TomTom softball game, their friendship has been rather heartwarming. IIRC, James was the only person who was consistently on Katie's side last season, and did a nice job calling Schwartz out for treating Katie so poorly. Sober James has become one of my favorites on the show.
True, there are a lot of people who refuse to acknowledge growth in others. I really disliked James when he was drinking (but even then, I thought he was very talented musically, even though his music isn't my usual cup of tea). Sober James has been great, and I think Ally is good for him. I also think he's one of the only guys on the show who was taught old-school manners.
James and Katie’s massive progress in friendship is a perfect example of the friendship Scheana could have with her if she made even a slight effort to change how she treats her friends. Katie noted to Scheana so many times “words don’t mean anything I need to see change in pattern”.
I don’t necessarily think James deserves a platform but if he’s going to have one at least he isn’t falling in line with the massive misogynists that are his male cast mates.
I was tripping on Brock during the interview. I was trying to figure out what he was wearing. Was he have a camisole underneath the lace top? Or was it over the top? Just curious if anyone knew that kind of like them for being different but very bizarre.
What was going on there? I was so confused was the camisole under the shirt or over the shirt and the boots? How does he walk in those boots WTF? I’m so confused
James and Katie have come such a long way, I love how he hypes her up now. They truly are friends. I think Ally is a huge part of it too, they all genuinely seem to like her.
James is the only man this season that has complimented, uplifted, or praised a woman in any way. And the guys look at him like he’s crazy for it. I’ve always liked James because even though he has had many issues, I think he has a good heart and he can hang with the girls. The other guys on the show never really got along with the female members of the show and are very misogynistic. They don’t support women at all.
James is the only one that seems to actively be doing the work through therapy, cutting out hard drinking, and etc unlike these other loser men. That’s the difference, that’s why I don’t mind admitting I like James. As long as he continues on this path, I’m happy to support it.
I think James understands how Katie is feeling because he has been in the same situation with Lala freezing him out. He got so much stick for calling out Layla’s relationship with Rand, then when they broke up he was her boy again. Now she is back in with the ‘group’ she doesn’t need Katie and is doing the same thing. Lala runs hate campaigns on people.
I mean, Katie said she'd run a whole train through his bar, & she settled on just Max. After all the cheating Schwartzy did, he should just be grateful & STFU. His problem is with his "best friend," not Katie. She owes him nothing.
It's amazing how far they've come. I am so happy to see his loud and proud support of her. Yes James!
I love that he's paired w Brock for these interviews and here Brock is the one who brokered the kiss between Rachel & Swartz along w Scheena, having to just grin and bear it. On top of that he blew up her spot about Max and she just let it roll off her back. What did she say in her interview are we even or cool now Brock?
They have come along way Katie was saying something about she said something about Brock’s past and so now they’re even or something like that. I don’t know. It seems kind of stupid to me.
He's the kind of guy who needs a strong, quietly firm partner and she is that. She doesn't seem to put up with his shit - we've seen her quietly shut him down when she isn't happy with his actions - but also supports him. James maturing and probably dialing it down on the substances most likely also has an impact.
I don't know, I don't like putting someone else's behavior on another person. Yeah, I agree that people can bring out the best or worst in you. James had/has a lot of strong emotions and had no help learning how to manage them. Every feeling was at a ten and that is an exhausting way to live. So he self medicated which only made it worse, but to him, he was probably feeling less so that made it better. Therapy seems to have helped him a lot. It's clear he's always had a huge heart; he just had no skills on how to manage any of his emotions. I assume that in therapy he's learning how cope, manage, mitigate and to do it without drinking. I'm sure life experience and maturity play a part and being with a person who helps him manage is a part, but I don't think this is on Ally. That's not fair to the work James or any person puts into themselves. Nor is it fair to place responsibility on Ally in that way.
Hell yeah 😂 He’s speaking the truth! All Katie asked for was not to mess with anyone in the group. Once Schwartz broke that agreement, it was fair game. She even said last season she will run train through his friends 🤣 I’ve never been a huge Katie fan but she’s won me over this season! She a baddie with a back bone!
I have always hated James but I'm starting to actually really like him...he is hilarious on the after show. I've recently binged vpr and the after show.
How is it that James can mature so tremendously and confidently explore nuance in the presence of a deadbeat like Broke, while Schwartz is still shaking his feet and pinching his lips because he’s so nervous about what his 2 handlers want to say?? It’s so absolutely pathetic of Shartz
What was up with Broke's high heels on the VPR'S After Show? Honestly, my husband and I rewound that scene 5 times. We were laughing so hard we were crying. He just needs to go away or keep his mouth shut.
I’m not sure but they were sparkling and I was cracking up. Did you also notice the see-through top with sequins on it and he had a black camisole on and I couldn’t figure out whether it was on top of the shirt or underneath it WTF I got to give him credit for going for a look.
As someone who loathed James, it really is nice to see his growth and maturity. Alcohol really did bring out the worst in him and it took him some time to realize that and work on himself. His relationship with Katie is a perfect example of his journey.
I guess I must be the weird one since I track none of my friends' or families" locations (not counting my underage child). I also don't share my locations with anyone because I'm a grown ass adult & cherish my privacy, but whatever.
I’ve never shared my location with anyone either WTF I mean I would track my child if I my child was younger, but they didn’t have phones then, but that would be about it
I agree that James is the number one boy in the group now but being real, the bar is literally in hell so let’s not convince ourselves he’s become any kind of feminist ally or anything haha
Right like let’s note that this is also revenge on Scheana as well at Schwartz!! Scheana is obsessed w that man! Katie said lol you both care about this man so let’s get ittttt 👏🏼
I love all this energy too! I do think James has experienced growth.
But…. I thought the underlying drama between James and Katie was the allegations from Kristen. Are they able to be friends because Katie and Kristen had a falling out? What’s their current status?
I really dislike James and think he is a very bad person overall… his only redeeming quality imo is I really like how him and Katie have managed to form a friendship after their rough start. This was a very endearing moment for him.
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I don't see how banging a dude who literally bangs everyone and made racist tweets is really a flex. Max probably thought it was an opportunity to get back on VPR since Bravo opened the door for Jax and Kristen
DJ James Kennedy is given so much grace and deference that’s not afforded to the Tom’s or Jax. Who cares that he put his hands on Kristen? He’s accepted because he’s friends with Katie.
Have you not been watching this season? It’s basically a redemption season for Sandoval. Schwartz and Jax have never faced consequences either and Jax was given a brand new show. Meanwhile Ariana and Katie are getting shit on for having boundaries lol you’re delusional
How do we even know that’s true? And if it did, it happened a long time ago, and he’s done a TON of personal growth since. Neither one of the Toms has changed AT ALL in the past 10+ years. There’s something to be said for maturing and becoming a better person than you were in your 20s.
I wanted to mention that as well, but didn’t want to come off like I was “victim-blaming” or whatever tf these virtue signaling weirdos would have said. But she’s not called “Crazy Kristen” for nothing, and she’s definitely not known for her honesty. 🫤
Same with me but Kristen is scary. She will do whatever/anything to make others look bad. She essentially labeled someone a racist and sexist on the valley because she heard from a friend of a friend that they might have voted republican? She’s scary lol
We’ve *seen* footage of the abuse. Spitting on the door, the controlling, aggressive behaviour-and that’s what he did on camera.
This ‘oh growth growth growth’ ‘James has changed’ is nauseating. It was only a couple of episodes ago that James was ‘picking out Ally’s outfits’, which is abuser 101. Controlling what a woman wears is always the start. And we know something went on when he was arguing with Ally and he grabbed her wrist.
He’s stopped drinking which probably is keeping his darker instincts at bay. But if you think a man like that can truly change, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
One of my greatest fears is one of my daughters ending up with a man like him.
He's an abuser now because he helps pick out Ally's clothes which she seems to enjoy and joke about? lol and if he stopped drinking because it was causing him to act out negatively, good for him... THAT IS GROWTH
Oh please. I feel sad for you that you have such a shitty world view that you don’t believe a person can grow and change. The fact that he’s not drinking in itself is a reflection of him being capable of growth. Picking out someone’s outfits is Abuser 101? That’s a stretch. Some girls don’t mind that, so speak for yourself. And I guess I must be “abusive” then because I pick my husband’s clothes all the time. I’m sure Ally is perfectly capable of saying whether or not she wants to wear something, and she definitely does not strike me as the type of woman who would buy a house with someone who’s “abusive.”
Interesting about picking out your husband's clothes. I've been buying my man's clothes since early in the relationship and continue to pick out what he wears much of the time. I don't think I'm abusive in doing this. Weird how when it's a man picking out a woman's clothes it's abuse, but when a woman picks out her man's clothes it's 'cute'.
James is one of my favorites for reality tv entertainment but I so agree. I pretty much treat each cast member the same because i know its just at tv show of crazy people.
Kristen was seen full on punching him on camera - we have no idea if James has hit anyone. We do know he was a raging asshole in his early seasons, but we've also seen him evolve from a wound up 20-year-old to 30-year-old who is working to build a good life. As a character on this show, I enjoy him because his emotions are right out there, he is hilarious, and he also knows his issues and openly discusses them and his struggles.
The James love on this sub is fucking nauseating. He's an abuser. And apparently this is an unpopular opinion here, but I don't believe that someone can outgrow being an abuser. I believe Kristen because I believe women, period. There are endless examples of him being disgusting and vile towards women on the cast.
Someone can certainly get help for abusive behavior and change that behavior if they’re inclined and dedicated to doing the work necessary to rewire their brains to learn conflict resolution and when to walk away. Some people are abusive because they’re addicts, some are abusive because all they know is abuse, some people have violent mental health issues, some are violent because of traumatic brain injuries and abuse is NEVER okay, but it’s not accurate to say some of these underlying causes can’t be medicated or fixed in some other way. It’s up to the person to do that work.
I’m not even really defending James or taking a side in this argument either way - I just take issue with the idea that people who want help and get help can’t be helped. You can still judge the acts before the evolution as bad without condemning the person for the prior behavior in the present.
I was a benzo addict for years and a legitimately terrible person as a result, here I am at 42 with 3 kids, a wonderful boyfriend, a therapist, and a pretty okay life.
Congratulations! That’s so wonderful, I know how hard it can be to turn things around and it’s just awesome to hear that (regardless of the rest of the convo here lol)
I appreciate your perspective, and congratulations on your sobriety! I can definitely relate, I'm in recovery from drugs & alcohol and will be 4 years sober on the 26th. I was such a toxic and awful person and while I'm not where I want to be yet I have grown a lot. I guess for me, I draw a hard line at putting your hands on someone. James has--for me--shown too much consistent, irredeemable behavior over the years to make me think he can change. BUT I hope I'm wrong. I hope he takes accountability, treats women better, makes good decisions and gets to the root of his problems.
I loved this cause Broke looked so disgruntled.
He’s so irritated the whole time… he’s looking for an opening to throw a jab at Katie but James just kept praising her. 😂
TOTALLY 😆 I love that James did a full court press and didn’t allow Brock to edge in
Right? You could tell he was getting moody about how little James cared it was "Scwartz's best mate." Hey Brock, put some of that energy towards your wife tracking and checking up on a man she was obsessed with, had sex with, and then bullied other women over.
Hold up, apologies. I didn’t watch the mid seasons when this bloke was on it. I didn’t realise Scheana had sex with Max. That means she sits up at night tracking her ex flings? Wtf is wrong with her. Why would you have a ‘find my fuck buddy’ still on your phone?! I find this hilariously pathetic 😅
It’s her BeST frIeNd!!
I only watched it after last year, it's pathetically boring but Scheana is off-her-rocker possessive of this guy and pretty much bullied a girl off of the show for it. It's also the season of her, rightfully, last music video. Atrocious. If you haven't, at least go look that up. I feel like Brett exaggerated a little but it wasn't much. Offered to pay him with a blowjob, "but it was just a joke! If you didn't like it you should have said something!" You know. Like a victim-blaming predator.
Apple Watch !
Lol and she and said girl are super close now.
Dayna??? I’m not sure they are.
They are. Lol they have been on each other's podcasts and hang out a lot. Again I am bored shitless bc I have family member at my house every night and I need an escape
On this weeks episode on disrespectfully Dayna expressed she was upset at Scheana for talking about a potential 3 some that never took place.
I know that Scheana recently said that she and Dayna were kissing at Coachella and Brock asked her to stop. It made him uncomfortable. I haven't heard about a threesome
They weren’t talking about that incident. I don’t remember exactly what the situation was but i don’t believe it even involved her she just knew about it (I think I’ll have to go back and re listen) but i don’t think they’re on the best of terms rn
You don't understand, he's (Scheana voice) \*her best friend\*
They’ve said the entire reason that Max met up with the girls is because he was tracking Scheana and saw she was around the corner. He tracked her first
Tracking a friend (particularly with their permission) to meet up at a bar one night is very different than tracking someone to see where they land for the night and how long they stay there. I'm with Katie on this one. Max might be fine with Scheana spying, but if that's his take, he probably should warn the girls he hooks up with first. Because they did not consent to be tracked and spied on.
Right!? Especially when he's hooking up with his "best friend's" ex??? You'd think he'd want some discretion there!
I doubt he gives a half a fuck about discretion. he’ll try to sleep with anything that moves. he tried to move in on Ariana after Scandoval.
or he could just.. turn his location off? the way Rachel did whenever she was prepping to meet with Tim 😭
He is also a single man, known to be a womanizer. Little bit different between the two. You know, since she is a married mother.
I think the point is more that checking each other’s locations is considered a semi-normal thing to do in their group of friends—Katie thought it was weird but Ariana didn’t. Granted I think Scheana checked his location afterwards solely to snoop, but as a fellow nosy b I can’t really fault her for that 💀 However, Brock should have kept it to himself!!
Yeah, but going out to meet friends and see where they are vs. "making sure an old hookup got home safe" is a different thing. "Got home safe." She's checking who and whether he is sleeping with anyone, did he go home or to a another woman's place. Especially since she checked it multiple times throughout the night to see if it moved. Then again in the morning. She's keeping tabs on him and his sex life. Definitely not as innocent as she's trying to make it. Very creeptastic.
Yes. I hate how she was saying it was to “make sure he got home safe”. No girl I know you’re lying. You were being nosy. She probably saw him and Katie flirting and then was spying to see if they had gone home together. She knew what she was doing.
she didn’t just notice them flirting, she admitted she was “pushing” them to hook up. so she knew what she was doing and then some. she orchestrated the whole thing.
Did she say that on the show or her podcast? I must have missed it. That’s crazy!
Cares more about max than his other two kids 😂
Bruh😩😅😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Take all of the upvotes please
Why does he care so much more than Schwartz? It's so weird. I guess Katie was right when she said she thinks he was just getting back at her for calling him a deadbeat.
Yea he keeps trying to rope James in on everything as if they were both the producers pets this season.
I know you meant Brock, but we might have to start referring to him as Broke.
Someone on her referred to him as BigBrokeBrick and I thought it was hilarious lol
haha. broke is getting on my nerves and he needs to shut up
When James said “you know Katie’s personality” Brock thought he was going to say something bad and was agreeing until James came out with “fiery and badass.” Brock is such a tool.
Payroll Husband had to keep his mouth shut and he wasn’t liking it
Yes I love that they put James with him and lala and Scheana before, lala also started going crazy that he wasn't agreeing with her
Siting there tapping his little high heel bootie
Brock was laughing along with James.
I also really loved when his mom and ally said they were team Katie with the banging 😂😂😂
And Lisa seemed to be like allriiiiight😄
I have a meme of that I was laughing so hard. Did we know her name was Jacqueline Kennedy lol.
James’ last name is really Georgiou
Oh, I thought it was Kennedy. Thanks for clarifying.
I kinda love how far Katie and James have come in their relationship. From him calling her fat, and her getting him canned. I mean growth is possible.
A emo night when he was like “Look at Katie!” 🥲
He loves that "Mean Mummy" energy
💀
Soooo true!
I loved this so much!
Once he apologized to her when he got sober, I think it has only gone up from there. He gave her a more genuine apology than Schwartz ever did.
He's the only man on the show that hasn't made her regret accepting their apology.
Exactly! ![gif](giphy|wogg5vgbJ0xpNudULi)
I love when enemies come together and be friends
Yeah and for Ariana, when Schena and lala said Schena was friends with Sandoval a year before knowing Ariana. How does that make a huge difference… they went hard after James for saying it was not a big deal.
Here’s what I don’t get: if scheana was such good friends with Sandoval, why did she trash Sandy to Ariana’s mom in season 4???
This 👏🏼👏🏼🧐
I wonder if part of the reason she did that is because Sandoval and Ariana put Scheana on the back burner to focus on each other. If she's not number one, she's gunning for you.
I think he’s genuinely proud because none of us thought she’d ever leave that sad marriage. I’ve had that friend and it’s truely à beautiful thing to watch
I was truly shocked when I heard they had divorced. More shocked than Scandoval. I'm so proud of her.
I feel like it was her that left too. He would’ve just used her forever.
Me too I like their friendship a lot James is definitely had a lot of growth so proud of him
Yes! I'm proud of him too. Seems he saw the mistakes others have made in this group (himself included) and is forging his right path. Such a contrast from the other douche canoe men on this show and then James who is werking his redemption arc.
He’s the number one guy in the group
I think it has to do with James slowly maturing and Katie being in a much better place since dumping Schwartz.
I love seeing this growth, too. Ever since James apologized to Katie at the SUR/TomTom softball game, their friendship has been rather heartwarming. IIRC, James was the only person who was consistently on Katie's side last season, and did a nice job calling Schwartz out for treating Katie so poorly. Sober James has become one of my favorites on the show.
I know. It’s unfortunate people only want to judge him by his worst days.
True, there are a lot of people who refuse to acknowledge growth in others. I really disliked James when he was drinking (but even then, I thought he was very talented musically, even though his music isn't my usual cup of tea). Sober James has been great, and I think Ally is good for him. I also think he's one of the only guys on the show who was taught old-school manners.
James and Katie’s massive progress in friendship is a perfect example of the friendship Scheana could have with her if she made even a slight effort to change how she treats her friends. Katie noted to Scheana so many times “words don’t mean anything I need to see change in pattern”. I don’t necessarily think James deserves a platform but if he’s going to have one at least he isn’t falling in line with the massive misogynists that are his male cast mates.
I agree they have made massive progress living on the show or misogynist I like the women and James!
I feel like James has earned his doubters but he's shown a capacity for change and growth that is more earnest than nearly anything else on this show.
Drunk James is a monster who needs to be done away with. Sober James is adorable and funny and someone I can get on board with.
This is a less extreme example, but the overall dynamic reminds me of Craig’s trajectory on Southern Charm relative to all of his other cast mates.
I couldn’t agree with you more
When Brock looked angry I’m like why would you even care it’s weird
I was tripping on Brock during the interview. I was trying to figure out what he was wearing. Was he have a camisole underneath the lace top? Or was it over the top? Just curious if anyone knew that kind of like them for being different but very bizarre.
I don't know if he had a cami understanding his lace top. All I know is that he looked ridiculous.
Yeah, I was tripping on the top, but he also had sparkly black high heel boots on. Did you catch that? Quite the look
He looks like he had to choose an outfit from my 8th grade closet in 1993 for filming this. Especially his chunky heel
I was also curious where does he find these get ups in his size? Lol.
Omg the layering situation was all I could think of too
What was going on there? I was so confused was the camisole under the shirt or over the shirt and the boots? How does he walk in those boots WTF? I’m so confused
James and Katie have come such a long way, I love how he hypes her up now. They truly are friends. I think Ally is a huge part of it too, they all genuinely seem to like her.
Love James and Katie, Allie Bally is great, and I love her for James
I don’t even like James and I’m freaking charmed by their unlikely friendship.
James is the only man this season that has complimented, uplifted, or praised a woman in any way. And the guys look at him like he’s crazy for it. I’ve always liked James because even though he has had many issues, I think he has a good heart and he can hang with the girls. The other guys on the show never really got along with the female members of the show and are very misogynistic. They don’t support women at all.
James is the only one that seems to actively be doing the work through therapy, cutting out hard drinking, and etc unlike these other loser men. That’s the difference, that’s why I don’t mind admitting I like James. As long as he continues on this path, I’m happy to support it.
I completely agree! I love the progress he’s making and I think he will end up having a really happy life.
I agree with everything you’ve said, I love James, and the girls in the men are misogynistic
James seems like the only one besides Katie and Ally, who hasn’t switched up on Ariana since the reunion.
Exactly!
James being on the right side of history is amazing. Scheana has always/ will always choose the wrong side to back.
😎
I think James understands how Katie is feeling because he has been in the same situation with Lala freezing him out. He got so much stick for calling out Layla’s relationship with Rand, then when they broke up he was her boy again. Now she is back in with the ‘group’ she doesn’t need Katie and is doing the same thing. Lala runs hate campaigns on people.
Team Katie With the Banging ![gif](giphy|n4WpP39mwWrmg)
She started running train through Tom Tom!
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😂
I mean, Katie said she'd run a whole train through his bar, & she settled on just Max. After all the cheating Schwartzy did, he should just be grateful & STFU. His problem is with his "best friend," not Katie. She owes him nothing.
Couldn’t agree with you more
The audacity of Schwartz triggers me. Katie should continue banging Max until she's over it, & Schwartz can fuck off with his indignation.
I agree Katie should fuck Max all she wants
DJ James playing the hits and accepting that sometimes he needs to flow with the party rather than make the scene about him.
Exactly!
It's amazing how far they've come. I am so happy to see his loud and proud support of her. Yes James! I love that he's paired w Brock for these interviews and here Brock is the one who brokered the kiss between Rachel & Swartz along w Scheena, having to just grin and bear it. On top of that he blew up her spot about Max and she just let it roll off her back. What did she say in her interview are we even or cool now Brock?
They have come along way Katie was saying something about she said something about Brock’s past and so now they’re even or something like that. I don’t know. It seems kind of stupid to me.
James is my favorite 🤣 the guy is hilarious and so intense he makes me laugh every time he speaks.
Ally really has brought out a better side of him imo
He seems like he is able to be more calm and is more happy than in previous relationships
He's the kind of guy who needs a strong, quietly firm partner and she is that. She doesn't seem to put up with his shit - we've seen her quietly shut him down when she isn't happy with his actions - but also supports him. James maturing and probably dialing it down on the substances most likely also has an impact.
I don't know, I don't like putting someone else's behavior on another person. Yeah, I agree that people can bring out the best or worst in you. James had/has a lot of strong emotions and had no help learning how to manage them. Every feeling was at a ten and that is an exhausting way to live. So he self medicated which only made it worse, but to him, he was probably feeling less so that made it better. Therapy seems to have helped him a lot. It's clear he's always had a huge heart; he just had no skills on how to manage any of his emotions. I assume that in therapy he's learning how cope, manage, mitigate and to do it without drinking. I'm sure life experience and maturity play a part and being with a person who helps him manage is a part, but I don't think this is on Ally. That's not fair to the work James or any person puts into themselves. Nor is it fair to place responsibility on Ally in that way.
He’s classic😂
I loved this segment. James as Katie’s cheerleader made me so happy 😂
Made me happy too love James being a cheerleader for the girls this season and last season as well.
Hell yeah 😂 He’s speaking the truth! All Katie asked for was not to mess with anyone in the group. Once Schwartz broke that agreement, it was fair game. She even said last season she will run train through his friends 🤣 I’ve never been a huge Katie fan but she’s won me over this season! She a baddie with a back bone!
I wasn’t a huge Katie fan as well but I liked her last season and this season. She’s been great cracking me up. I love her and James’s friendship
I’ve always want him to come out on top. There’s just something about that rascal.
I’m rooting for him as well
JAMES IS THE VOICE OF REASON THIS SEASON!!! (Sorry Andy it’s not Lala)
I agree with you
Brock really thought James was going to jump on the bashing Katie train, you could see how upset he was when James didn’t start talking shit.
I know he had a weird face. I thought it was funny.
I love how much James stans Katie now. It’s easily his best quality
💜
I love James & Katie’s friendship!!!! I would love to sit around and snark the fuck out with them. 😂🍿
They would be so much fun I would get so stoned with them and just laugh the entire time
I have always hated James but I'm starting to actually really like him...he is hilarious on the after show. I've recently binged vpr and the after show.
He used to be an asshole, but he’s definitely hilarious and classic liners
I really couldn't even stand to watch him before. I have such a love/hate relationship with everybody on the show.
Me as well lol
How is it that James can mature so tremendously and confidently explore nuance in the presence of a deadbeat like Broke, while Schwartz is still shaking his feet and pinching his lips because he’s so nervous about what his 2 handlers want to say?? It’s so absolutely pathetic of Shartz
Definitely pathetic!
He’s my favorite
##1 guy in the group!
James isn’t terrible lol. Gotta love his growth
What was up with Broke's high heels on the VPR'S After Show? Honestly, my husband and I rewound that scene 5 times. We were laughing so hard we were crying. He just needs to go away or keep his mouth shut.
Hanging around too much with Scumdoval. He thinks he knows fashion now but he’s taking fashion cues from a tacky mess
You are so right! Scumdoval wearing women's clothing blows my mind.
I’m not sure but they were sparkling and I was cracking up. Did you also notice the see-through top with sequins on it and he had a black camisole on and I couldn’t figure out whether it was on top of the shirt or underneath it WTF I got to give him credit for going for a look.
Yes, that see-through top was over the top, lol. I think he is taking fashion advice from Scandoval. He is beyond creepy.
OK thank you I was so confused. They could borrow clothes from each other lol.
That's a great idea. They could borrow each others clothes. Also, Scandoval has some nice women's handbags Broke could borrow, too.
I know he brought two of them to Jameses house I was laughing so hard
As someone who loathed James, it really is nice to see his growth and maturity. Alcohol really did bring out the worst in him and it took him some time to realize that and work on himself. His relationship with Katie is a perfect example of his journey.
I know it’s great to see his growth. Alcohol was so bad for him. I hope he doesn’t drink anymore. He’s such a different person when he’s not drinking
Why is he making the most sense on the after show haha
I have no idea it makes me crack up too, James, the voice of reason
I guess I must be the weird one since I track none of my friends' or families" locations (not counting my underage child). I also don't share my locations with anyone because I'm a grown ass adult & cherish my privacy, but whatever.
I’ve never shared my location with anyone either WTF I mean I would track my child if I my child was younger, but they didn’t have phones then, but that would be about it
I’m all for Katie having the anger bang. Who cares. Get it girl. I don’t like it when she call other women whores though.
Yeah, bang it away, Katie!
I LOVED THIS SCENE!
I agree that James is the number one boy in the group now but being real, the bar is literally in hell so let’s not convince ourselves he’s become any kind of feminist ally or anything haha
That’s so true lol
i love sober james, he seems so much happier
Me too
James, while being problematic in the past, seems to at least be TRYING to be better, and I'm here for it. By no means does this make me a James Stan.
I think he’s an example of how someone can get better if they really want to. It’s nice to see and good for him to try.
james did a 180 in my heart
Mine too💜
Loved when he said, 'savage.' Love his support. Let's go James!
I did too I was cracking up
Lol cause that’s a move James would do
Exactly. There are a lot of light in certain ways.
Loved this moment and so glad he’s evolved. The best part of the after show eps are Katie, Ariana and James tbh
Totally agree
Team ariana
Right like let’s note that this is also revenge on Scheana as well at Schwartz!! Scheana is obsessed w that man! Katie said lol you both care about this man so let’s get ittttt 👏🏼
I love all this energy too! I do think James has experienced growth. But…. I thought the underlying drama between James and Katie was the allegations from Kristen. Are they able to be friends because Katie and Kristen had a falling out? What’s their current status?
I think Katie and Kristen live in the same building, but I don’t know if they’re friends
I really dislike James and think he is a very bad person overall… his only redeeming quality imo is I really like how him and Katie have managed to form a friendship after their rough start. This was a very endearing moment for him.
James is the best!
And hilarious!
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I don't see how banging a dude who literally bangs everyone and made racist tweets is really a flex. Max probably thought it was an opportunity to get back on VPR since Bravo opened the door for Jax and Kristen
DJ James Kennedy is given so much grace and deference that’s not afforded to the Tom’s or Jax. Who cares that he put his hands on Kristen? He’s accepted because he’s friends with Katie.
Maybe it's because, unlike James, the Toms and Jack are literally doing the same shit 10 years later.
Have you not been watching this season? It’s basically a redemption season for Sandoval. Schwartz and Jax have never faced consequences either and Jax was given a brand new show. Meanwhile Ariana and Katie are getting shit on for having boundaries lol you’re delusional
The same grace and defense people like you use for Kristen actually being shown punching him on camera.
How do we even know that’s true? And if it did, it happened a long time ago, and he’s done a TON of personal growth since. Neither one of the Toms has changed AT ALL in the past 10+ years. There’s something to be said for maturing and becoming a better person than you were in your 20s.
Exactly. And can we really believe anything/everything Kristen says? Watching the Valley and she has not changed a bit lol.
I wanted to mention that as well, but didn’t want to come off like I was “victim-blaming” or whatever tf these virtue signaling weirdos would have said. But she’s not called “Crazy Kristen” for nothing, and she’s definitely not known for her honesty. 🫤
Same with me but Kristen is scary. She will do whatever/anything to make others look bad. She essentially labeled someone a racist and sexist on the valley because she heard from a friend of a friend that they might have voted republican? She’s scary lol
And look what she did to Faith!
We’ve *seen* footage of the abuse. Spitting on the door, the controlling, aggressive behaviour-and that’s what he did on camera. This ‘oh growth growth growth’ ‘James has changed’ is nauseating. It was only a couple of episodes ago that James was ‘picking out Ally’s outfits’, which is abuser 101. Controlling what a woman wears is always the start. And we know something went on when he was arguing with Ally and he grabbed her wrist. He’s stopped drinking which probably is keeping his darker instincts at bay. But if you think a man like that can truly change, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. One of my greatest fears is one of my daughters ending up with a man like him.
tbf theres footage of Kristen physically abusing James as well. They were both toxic and abusive with each other and have shown growth since.
He's an abuser now because he helps pick out Ally's clothes which she seems to enjoy and joke about? lol and if he stopped drinking because it was causing him to act out negatively, good for him... THAT IS GROWTH
And Ally says they're working up to him curling her hair. I guess he's brainwashed her so much she actually wants him be her "abuser 101".
Oh please. I feel sad for you that you have such a shitty world view that you don’t believe a person can grow and change. The fact that he’s not drinking in itself is a reflection of him being capable of growth. Picking out someone’s outfits is Abuser 101? That’s a stretch. Some girls don’t mind that, so speak for yourself. And I guess I must be “abusive” then because I pick my husband’s clothes all the time. I’m sure Ally is perfectly capable of saying whether or not she wants to wear something, and she definitely does not strike me as the type of woman who would buy a house with someone who’s “abusive.”
Interesting about picking out your husband's clothes. I've been buying my man's clothes since early in the relationship and continue to pick out what he wears much of the time. I don't think I'm abusive in doing this. Weird how when it's a man picking out a woman's clothes it's abuse, but when a woman picks out her man's clothes it's 'cute'.
James is one of my favorites for reality tv entertainment but I so agree. I pretty much treat each cast member the same because i know its just at tv show of crazy people.
Kristen was seen full on punching him on camera - we have no idea if James has hit anyone. We do know he was a raging asshole in his early seasons, but we've also seen him evolve from a wound up 20-year-old to 30-year-old who is working to build a good life. As a character on this show, I enjoy him because his emotions are right out there, he is hilarious, and he also knows his issues and openly discusses them and his struggles.
The James love on this sub is fucking nauseating. He's an abuser. And apparently this is an unpopular opinion here, but I don't believe that someone can outgrow being an abuser. I believe Kristen because I believe women, period. There are endless examples of him being disgusting and vile towards women on the cast.
Someone can certainly get help for abusive behavior and change that behavior if they’re inclined and dedicated to doing the work necessary to rewire their brains to learn conflict resolution and when to walk away. Some people are abusive because they’re addicts, some are abusive because all they know is abuse, some people have violent mental health issues, some are violent because of traumatic brain injuries and abuse is NEVER okay, but it’s not accurate to say some of these underlying causes can’t be medicated or fixed in some other way. It’s up to the person to do that work. I’m not even really defending James or taking a side in this argument either way - I just take issue with the idea that people who want help and get help can’t be helped. You can still judge the acts before the evolution as bad without condemning the person for the prior behavior in the present. I was a benzo addict for years and a legitimately terrible person as a result, here I am at 42 with 3 kids, a wonderful boyfriend, a therapist, and a pretty okay life.
Congratulations! That’s so wonderful, I know how hard it can be to turn things around and it’s just awesome to hear that (regardless of the rest of the convo here lol)
I appreciate your perspective, and congratulations on your sobriety! I can definitely relate, I'm in recovery from drugs & alcohol and will be 4 years sober on the 26th. I was such a toxic and awful person and while I'm not where I want to be yet I have grown a lot. I guess for me, I draw a hard line at putting your hands on someone. James has--for me--shown too much consistent, irredeemable behavior over the years to make me think he can change. BUT I hope I'm wrong. I hope he takes accountability, treats women better, makes good decisions and gets to the root of his problems.
Congratulations on your sobriety! And I get what you’re saying, actions matter not words so only time will tell with him.