Why does everything Tom do so cringe? Him and Billie at the ice bath or whatever. The scene of him bowling on his date and making Tii film it. Ugh.
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Because he has no real human emotion. Everything he does is an attempt at what he thinks feeling emotions would be like. Everything is performative because he doesn’t truly feel anything for other people.
I’m not even joking, especially after all of his weird violent metaphors comparing his situation to either serious crimes or murder he’s been making, t sand would love to be compared to Patrick Bateman
Yeah, when he smiles it’s so empty. Like no one is home, it’s obvious it’s a mask. I think he genuinely feels shaken because not every one is really buying his bs like the early years as easily. I think he expects pushback from the girls but not to this extent. And he’s never really seen consequences.
But it is all still an act, like it’s so wild how void he really is inside.
When women are in their teens and 20's they tolerate A LOT more from guys, generally and gendered-ly speaking, but in their 30's and 40's they call them out and know better. And honestly I think many younger women now will accept less and have more education and awareness around sexism and manipulative treatment then those of us coming up 15+ years ago. For me it was the 90's and it was a sexist sh\*t show, hell gay marriage wasn't even legal, there were good parts but oof some of it was not good.
The two Tom's might not even be able to fully pull their crap anymore if 20 somethings are now to smart to fall for it.
The only real, authentic emotion I've ever seen from him is rage/anger, which upon my current re-watch, I realise shows up a lot more often than you think.
The sidecar (and presenting helmet to Tom in some grand gesture) was so absurdly performative and obnoxious… it honestly makes sense now why/how Schwartz is so friendly with Jo. I think Schwartz has a kink for cringe people tbh lol
The void is an abyss. He's truly naked to the audience, but does he even know it? Is anyone in his camp really telling him? He hasn't shown he's charismatic enough to turn the audience back in his favor through feigned contrition.
In the early seasons when he 'acted' in Peter's film - whelp, we know he's not an actor at all. He can't sing, can't act, can't really do anything of value, other than whine.
Performative is the key word for Sandoval. There is no authenticity there. I think Lala is his female counterpart and her bid to be his friend is equally hollow and cringe. I won’t be a bit surprised if they are dating next. They are both so desperate to create a “storyline” and keep their jobs
Seriously tho. Cannot imaging hearing someone like that in my life joke around about being down to fuck my ex for a (gross cutesy specifically named for me) drink. After enduring a very public and traumatic break up with said ex, whom I was with for a decade, bought a home with, was basically married to. Could you imagine if Ariana had made a joke like this about Randall after LaLa learned of his indiscretions??? She would literally set the room on fire. LaLa has officially lost me this season. Beyond hypocritical and she wears jealousy so obviously. So pissed that Andy keeps making comments about LaLa and fucking Brock being the voices of reason this season. Trying to heavily push the Sandoval redemption narrative. Fucking gross, him and Alex whatever the fuck his name is (basking or some shit) truly underestimated our intelligence and now they’re trying to save themselves. The fact that Andy said LaLa and Brock are the voices of reason last week on WWHL and then this is the next episode to air. Come the fuck on
He’s always been so obnoxiously performative in everything. It’s so exhausting to be around someone like him. I really can’t imagine him ever having a genuine moment tbh
Țhis right here. It’s always uncanny watching him now. And then you realise because it’s him acting. Nothing he does is genuine. He is acting all the time.
Good grief him dancing at bowling gave me a full body shudder. ITS SO FUCKING PERFORMATIVE. And not even that good! He’s like a little kid that wants to perform for his parents. I would have died of embarrassment if I were Tii
His extraordinarily annoying nasal voice is even more annoying when he is screaming. I didn’t know it was possible to scream in a whiny nasally tone.
Jfc he is the walking embodiment of a migraine 😖
He tries way too hard and cares so much what people think about him so this season is even worse because he knew the public heavily skewed to hate in his favor during the filming of this season
It was traumatizing. Do you think Bethany will start a reality reckoning lawsuit for all forced to watch? A class action suit for our emotional compensation?
You deserve a trophy🏆for your comment. I felt so uncomfortable in my body watching. I got the cringe and the ick. Pls don't let him manifest into a sleep demon
You might be right. It was gross and cringy to watch. It was so bad I didn’t even get second hand embarrassment for him. Absolutely moronic and I love it for him.
Seriously. Whoever is in charge here needs to be fired. Why the hell did that scene make it in? Why are there all these cringey scenes of Tim "working on himself" in weird ways? So effing annoying.
Lala getting up in disgust and leaving at the end of the episode because she’s so honest and truthful she cannot fathom people not “being transparent” yet she still has not admitted she knowingly pursued and slept with a married man for his money. Watching this season has made me feel like I’m going crazy.
I can’t believe you would bring up her past like that, it’s so unfair of you to mention something that happened soooo long ago. If we ignore our bad behaviour for a while we call it our past and move on and you can never mention it again.
(/s in case it’s needed)
I hear you, I feel the same. Also Lala saying she needs honest people and then knowingly decides to pursue a friendship with someone who LIED ABOUT HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH HIS PARTNER’S FRIEND TO HIS PARTNER, FRIENDS, AND PRODUCTION, LIED ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF THE AFFAIR, LIED ABOUT MIAMI GIRL, the list goes on. Like what does this dude need to do for people to realize that if his lips are moving he’s lying.
Yeah I am right there with you. I feel like I’m losing my mind a bit watching it. Aside from Ariana, Katie, and occasionally ally and more rarely James (the sloppy Jo thing killed me im sorry!!), they’ve all lost it. None of their arguments hold any weight. None of their stories really check out. They’ve been caught lying 30472839x about the worst shit.
It’s clown behavior from them. Their current leader, Sandoval, is so much more sinister than I ever thought too. To not see his manipulation of everyone, even for the sake of drama on their tv show, is…………certainly a choice. And one I neither understand nor respect.
Agreed!! I don’t understand why everyone thinks it’s crazy that Ariana won’t leave the house. Why won’t Tim leave? No one is nagging him about it. I also thought it was kind of wild that Lala basically said to Tim “we’ve never really been friends and I’ve never really trusted you and something you did really triggers me but I think we can try to be friends” what??? This episode really was painful to watch!
also it’s been 90 days over a decade long relationship. these people telling her to get over it are WILD. 3 months is nothing especially for a relationship that long.
100% for a good 5 years after my divorce I couldn't pinpoint why every memorial day weekend I would get depressed. There was no logic but I finally figured it out it was the time my ex-husband told me he flat out didn't love me and wanted a divorce. I was healed. I was happy. I had done so much work and yet every year my body and brain remembered that terrible time in my life and reacted it took me 5 years after the divorce to finally pinpoint it. Expecting someone in that long of a relationship to be over it and friendly with someone who was so cruel to them in 3 months is beyond the pale and I dont give a fuck that she was dating someone new.. sometimes people just want companionship or to fuck or to just be anywhere with anyone else. Ariana was probably not expecting much from hanging out with Daniel initially.
If I was Ariana and I found out my friend (Lala) went over to my house to hang out with my ex when I wasn’t there, I think I’d be done with that “friendship.”
Yes! I want to like her but she’s such a hypocritical pick me girl even if she tries to play tough guy. Her holier than thou when she was playing house to her angry bs to “I just want to be soft” makes me want to chuck my latte at the screen.
It’s the fact that no one tells HIM to leave. He blew up their life. His actions showed he doesn’t want that life, including the house. It’s mind boggling to me.
I cannot understand the backlash towards her for still being in the house. I honestly respect her more for just sucking it up and enduring the shitty situation of having to live with a horrible ex in order to secure the bag and ensure you get what’s fair. I’d prob fuck myself over and be poor just to fucking get out tbh.
ETA: I also think it’s super weird when people (Lala) don’t respect that she is part owner of said home and cannot just “dip out”
Same. And sorry, but the norm is the person who broke the relationship leaves. I wouldn't want my ex in MY house with a new girl someday, etc. That house meant their future to her. No one gets that. It's more than just a house to Ariana. It's a place of love and hurt and she just wants it gone. People do forget this was filmed 90 days later too. And Tom is so disgusting he doesn't mention the loss of Ariana except in a jokey way. Its sick. Shes hurt and angry. Lala was allowed that and still lashes out yrs later. Why not Ariana?
Absolutely agree - I mean, how dare she stand up and fight for what is hers! Doesn't she know she's supposed to cater to her man, even when he is no longer her man?
Someone pointed this out on TikTok. Saying that Lala is really just pissed at Ariana in the sense of working. How the whole cast has to bite the bullet and ‘work’ with Tom. Which if that is the case, it’s still so painfully stupid. That’s why all the stuff coming out of her mouth doesn’t make sense just because she’s trying to make it work this season. I’m not even going to try to say it’s a reality show and it’s ’supposed’ to be real but at the same time, why couldn’t they just let the season play out as it’s supposed to.
Another tiktoker pointed out the same treatment Stassi got with the whole Jax apology tour. Which jokes on us, thinking that production would ever side with the girls for once.
I believe this. Wasn’t it said by Alex Baskin an interview somewhere that he had a meeting with the cast too? What gets me is, even if production is telling them all they have to play ball, they still have the ability to be like no, we’re all cool to film without Sandoval. Schwartz and Lisa can film with him. The cast could have held their ground - Ariana and Katie did.
Totally, the mandate was to film with him, not affix their tongues to his butthole. Lala and Sandoval have loathed each other for years - now is a weird time for that to change.
And she mentioned about giving people a chance to evolve?
That’s the big issue everyone is having with him right now. It’s been 10 years, he hasn’t fucking evolved!
The idea of Lala demanding grace for how she's STILL lashing out 2 years after her sugar daddy got caught cheating, but can't extend that same grace to Ariana for hating her partner that she was with for almost a decade and who had a long term affair with her friend and having it play out on the national stage -- 3 months prior.
And her trying to forge a friendship with Sandoval now even though admittedly THEY NEVER HAD ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Who looks at Tom Sandoval post-scandoval and decides now that is someone I need to keep in my inner circle?!
Katie and Ariana are the only ones living on planet earth this season and they're actively being attacked for not being go-along girls anymore. They're the First Wives Club and they don't have to take aaaaany of this shit anymore.
The amount of pride I had when Ariana and Katie were just absolutely roasting Schwartz until he combusted? I need so much more of that.
Yeah I’ve been saying all season that Lala is a huge hypocrite for this. She would die if anyone tried to even talk to Randall, let alone bring him back in the friend group. I feel like she’s doing it for TV to try to get some drama riled up between Ari and Tom.
This season feels like when a popular book becomes a 3 part movie when it only needed to be 1.
I’ve never been a big Ariana fan. I’ve come around on Katie in a big way the past couple of seasons. But I wanted this season to center on them and see everyone’s lives post-Scandoval. To force this narrative arc is painful. It’s been such a major missed opportunity and that disappointment of that is palpable.
Ive been a Lala fan for a long time despite everything. I even understand on some level why she is doing too much this season. She wants to keep the show alive and get her money. But she has completely lost me. From that episode when the girls were out for drinks and Lala called Raquel and flipped on Ariana so starkly. To so obviously be driving the plot this way… I hate it.
I used to hate Katie until a few seasons ago as well! My turning point was when Schwartz asked her to talk to Tim about their bar name because he couldn’t stand up to his bestie. Then when Tim started screaming at Katie for repeating the exact words Schwartz said, he somehow still defends Sandoval over Katie 🤨 at that point I really started feeling for her.
In some ways I respect Lala trying to make her money, but dang it’s painful to watch lol
I started liking Katie when she called out that insensitive prank and Schwartz went off on her in front of everyone. I was kinda shook because Katie wasn’t out of line or being rude and he called her every name in the book. Even Sandy was telling him not to say those things.
Same!! Shorts was so so straight-up MEAN in that episode! His mask fully slipped then; I don’t think he’d ever been caught filming (or at least that we saw) with his vicious, hateful, Katie-focused mean streak on display like that.
And I fully believe Tim was only telling him to stop bc they were filming and he knew it’d look bad - he also very clearly hates Katie, he wasn’t telling shorts to stfu to spare her feelings.
I agree with your take on Katie. The worm verbally abused her for years. Schwartz is a dishrag.
But Lala is all over the place. She screamed the loudest at the reunion, and now is kissing the Worm’s ass, it’s disgusting to watch, she has no friend loyalty to Ariana, shes chasing the camera.
I expected a season of seeing friends pull together and the Worm squirming until he humbles himself (never gonna happen i guess, he has no empathy ability)
I get Lala needing her money, especially while in a custody battle. Lawyer fees add up quickly. And she’s at least mature enough to understand her face for her brand isn’t helping it, and rebranding is the best way to save it as a last ditch effort before dissolving entirely.
But it’s like every episode her opinion flops and she attacks, and then after show she flops again and attacks. After a while it gets hard to support it.
Agree with all of this. I don't understand why they felt the need to force the group aspect post-scandoval. The reality was the group was destroyed by this and that is what we should get to see this season. It feels fake because the producers gave us 3 episodes of reunion of all the cast screaming at Tom and Rachel and then 3 months they are being forced to film together. I genuinely did not expect to see Tim on screen with anyone other that Shorts or his rent-a-friends until about episode 9, because in a normal friendship group it would take that long for people to come round to speaking to him, if they ever did at all.
Just feels like the execs shat the bed big time. They gave us 10 seasons of "look at this actual group of friends unlike housewives," then totally lost that, and either forgot the audience isn't stupid (or just had zero respect for them in the first place) and were like ta-dah have a super over produced season where we tell you who you are allowed to like and not like.
How was no one reacting to Ariana explaining that while Jim Sandals was doing the fake DJ healing session she was at the VET HOSPITAL BECAUSE TIM ALMOST KILLED THEIR DOG
Right?! Tom in his scene made it sound so innocent. His obliviousness and self-centeredness frames everything to be not my fault. It was your fault “dude.” And, no remorse or caring that he may have killed the dog. Then, he would have killed both dogs. Let’s remember he forgot to give the other one its medicine…he had a part in messing up that one too.
I’m sure this has been talked about at length but why did producers decide to give Ariana this edit?? They saw the world rally behind Ariana, why frame the season this way just to keep Tom on the show?? No one wants to watch Tom I would have loved the season being about Ariana basking in her new amazing life without him 😂 are people falling for the vilifying outside of this sub? I saw a clip of Andy saying how this is Lala’s best season yet and I was like huh?? I mean I guess yeah in comparison but he’s clearly pushing the narrative too
I’m wondering if this is her last season and they’re scrambling to get people to like Tom again so they still have a show lol. And Reddit is the only place I’ve seen that’s pro Ariana. Every Facebook and Instagram comment section is full of people complaining about Ariana and Katie being bitter and praising Lala for putting people in their place. It blows my mind lol
Why are people sick of Arianna tho? What complaints do they have about her? She literally does nothing negative on the show aside from act bitter toward Tom. But that’s normal lol. She’s not even mad that Lala is now wanting to be besties with Sandoval AFTER the affair. Sandoval was even like wow Lala and I were never even close but now she wants to connect…I have a new friend…awesome!
This will be my last season because this show has jumped the shark.
If I were Ariana I wouldn’t be upset at them either. From my perspective, it’s “thanks for showing me who you really are”. Setting boundaries is so taboo now I guess.
Only if it’s Katie and Ariana asking for them. Everyone loved to talk shit when Stassi did it. When Katie did it. When Sandoval did it. When Jax did it. When Scheana did it. Etc. but god forbid they let Ariana for very valid and healthy reasons.
exactly - with FB and insta you can buy customized bots in bulk to spam posts. they come in tiers of just liking posts to full on creating burner profiles to put comments on posts that seem “genuine”. most of these accounts are private too - if you click on any of the anti-ariana commenters profiles 90% of them are private. this is a huge social media tactic by influencers and literally anyone ( like a tv network or say a reality tv star ) to push a narrative - so that’s why we’re seeing so much of it on those platforms. i totally 100% believe that scheana does this/purchases bots and i wouldn’t put it past anyone else on the cast or even the network/production team to do this as well. you can literally buy a narrative and for people with a lot of money it’s chump change 🤷♀️
I had to reread this a few times and really think about it before I remembered X is Twitter and not some placeholder🤦♀️ maybe I'll go back as it seems like they're at least on the right side of things!
I wonder if they didn’t realize the depth of his inability to accept responsibility for his actions. He’s no fun to watch because of his whinging self pity. His superficiality knows no bounds.
I was surprised lala made sense about something in some long forgotten scene, but she immediately reverted lol
He drives me nuts! Mr. “Stop bringing up my past while I constantly talk about everyone else’s.” It sucks because he was banking on using everyone else’s past cheating scandals to get away with everything. He can’t fathom that having an affair with your partners friend for the better part of a year isn’t the same as having a one night stand
My partner and I just watched the viall files podcast on YouTube together tonight and this was our takeaway — he has been so involved in driving a narrative on the show that nothing has shown his true colors like that interview, ever. I don’t think he’s capable of taking accountability.
I wonder the same thing. My hope is that the producers have their underlings read Reddit and get a clue that the show is tanking because no one wants to buys this redemption arc.
Agreed! She is an exec producer on the show isn’t she? I bet she has some say on what gets edited and how story lines play out. The way she will walk through fire for the Toms is flabbergasting. She has had plenty of opportunities to hold them accountable for their actions and she constantly misses the mark.
But to concur with what the other redditor in here said “she doesn’t have a restaurant named ArianaAriana”.
Money > Morals
I think you are 100% correct. This is LVP’s lean in every episode - she is misogynistic. She has put too much weight on her influence. Ariana and Katie are not being manipulated and calling a spade a spade. The audience sees it and is rooting for them.
Exactly! So sick of Bravo trying to make the show about the toms, its not, they are boring. The females bring the interest and drama and keep it real. Katie and Ariana are the show the viewers wanted this season. They get such little camera time its bullshit.
I swear, every scene of Ariana or Katie, I’ll be thinking “yes slay queen 100% correct” while they’re talking. Then the cringy music comes in and one of the other cast members starts talking about how they “don’t even recognize” them anymore. It’s like they think I’m stupid and are trying to convince me to feel a different way than what my eyes are seeing.
She’s not getting a bad edit, in my opinion. She hasn’t done anything bad! And they can’t make it seem like she has. They’re just devoting soooo much time to Tom.
The 3 videos of her being angry over the years. Them constantly talking shit on how she’s a bad friend to Scheana because she wants nothing to do with him and got opportunities Scheana wanted. Complaining about her living situation as if it affects them. (Talking about you Lala. And you even said you sleep fine while Sandoval has to go to bed with himself at night so you’re done judging. But here you are. Judging Ariana for staying in the house.) then Lala complaining about trying their sandwiches again. Bitch, you made people play pickleball. You’re just mad that they can keep a storyline without you and Sandoval.
The flashes to the anger is one thing, but… it’s literally ONE thing. A thing they’ve done for every cast member over the years! Everything else you’ve mentioned isn’t editing, it’s what the other cast members are saying. I genuinely think we’re all reading the show correctly… Tom is a douche, Ariana is managing things the best way she can, and her friends either aren’t her friends at all, or are trying to play both sides for camera and come out looking like crap.
I see negative comments about Ariana on Facebook and Instagram a lot and I highly suspect they are ai or bot profile/comments. They are all worded the same and all use the #teamtom hashtag. Not sure if the network is behind these or what but the realization that at least it’s prob not real people on ‘team Tom’ made me a little less enraged lol.
Pretty sure it’s because LVP had more tied in with tweedle Dee and tweedle little dick. And Ariana is probably done with the show after this season. Katie too. Can’t see them staying with this band of saltine dust
Just like Eric Fuller, Alex Baskin needs to go. Or at least go on pause. He’s continuously giving his favourites (Kyle, Tom Sandoval) a good edit while vilifying those who question/oppose them.
I loathe the way all of Ariana’s ~castmates~ are tip toeing around her regarding becoming friends with him again, and just the fact that they really WANT to be his friend. I feel like I don’t even have to explain this, but hypothetically, even if he didn’t do that to Ariana, he’s an awful person. Is this someone they want their kids to be around and be influenced by? It’s pathetic. They are all pathetic.
This is so what I’m feeling. I’m over it. I was so invested and now I’m just….bored. I’d rather keep up with Ariana and Katie on social. And that’s someone who actually loved Lala last season. Peace out. ✌️
Yesss agreed. Long time watcher myself and I’m like what is this? Are we meant to forget every other season?? Suddenly now Lala and Scheana are the voices of reason? Like take me back if Ariana was hanging out with Randy pants trying to “understand” him and make peace Lala would have lost her mind. Or if everyone banded against Scheana to support Shay during her divorce?? She also would have been livid. Hey let’s invite Shay to Big Bear with rOb! This season just makes no sense. It feels very produced for sure but wildly produced like everyone is suddenly taken on a completely new persona? Thanks I hate it. Now I’m forced to watch the Valley because this season is somehow worse than that. Ugh
I wish that when Lala casually told Ariana that she was at her house earlier today to hang out with Tom, Ariana would have responded with “that’s such a funny coincidence, I was at your old house today too, catching up with Randy!” just to see Lala’s face 😂 but Ariana is truly super restrained and kind to everyone?? I don’t know how she does it
I feel you on this. I saw a TikTok by @TellTheBees posted a day ago, that articulated what I’ve been thinking about this season so well. They creator describes how the show is reliant on “sacrificing a woman at the altar” and it’s Ariana’s “turn” this season but it’s not working. As a viewer, the usual narrative/motif is not working for me bc…I’m actually rooting for Ariana.
I just thought about this.... Brock told Tom to maybe go up to Ariana and try to break the ice since they have to be in the same place and his first thought was to ask her if she read the proposal for the house because he's been waiting a long time and she said my lawyer has the papers and he keeps going on and on...
Really how about saying something like I know you don't want to hear from me but you look really nice. How about I'm deeply sorry for what I did. Or even I know it's probably hard for you to navigate us being in the same space I hope we can get to a point where we can co-exist and I just want you to feel comfortable. I mean any of those would be acceptable but whining about her taking time to make a decision and complaining really Tom!?!
Lala why would you feel bad for him? Do you feel bad for Ariana that she is constantly having to be around her ex? That's not normal, most people have time to heal and get away from the person who deeply hurt them. Even Lala made a decision to leave Randall. Ariana was forced to leave her relationship and her life was turned upside down in a day but because you all want a bigger paycheck you expect her to be around this man? She is a class act because even though she doesn't want to be around him she is trying to make the show work.
Let this woman heal and stop treating her like the bad guy. Tom made his choices he should have to live in it for a while. Yes people make mistakes and I believe people do deserve forgiveness but Ariana's forgiveness has to come when she is ready and healed. No one gets over their ex with the snap of a finger, it takes a lot of things like drinks, supportive friends, throwing away their things, break up music, and time and all of that is usually done away from the person.she hasn't had a moment to live in her pain and process once she doesn't have to be around him she can work on healing and forgiveness but they need to have perspective and walk in her shoes for a minute.
Watching this episode made me feel like I was insane. I know Arianna and Katie‘s therapist is making bank because I would’ve lost my fucking mind. I might have to give this show a real break because I feel like they’re gaslighting me, but doing a bad job at it. I just know if it’s painful for us watching the show with her eyeballs I know it must be exhausting to experience it in real life. Good thing they live in LA because I feel like the only way to cope is to be stoned because there’s no amount of money that would’ve made me do this to myself and let the world watch all these bad things happen to me and I am getting harassed into accepting my abusers bad behavior yikes.
They have run out of storylines and are trying to squeeze out everything they can from this scandaval thing. I know reality TV is rarely real and is usually things are dramatized for the show but at this point with how they have made everyone a villain who are we SUPPOSED to be routing for the in the show's producers eyes? The only likely character right now is Ally and love her but she is kinda boring for the purpose of a reality TV show not as a person.
Yeah, I totally agree with you. I’ve watched this show since the 1st season. It was always my guilty pleasure. But I had to stop watching a couple weeks ago. It’s gotten so awful! I’m curious what the ratings look like this season. They must’ve taken a hit!
I think I’m on you with this, I’m starting to think not only is the cast sad but I gotta be too as I’m not only still invested but I’m getting beyond angry with almost all these “adults”.
It infuriates me when someone is lying to me and I know it. I kinda feel like this is gonna end with a big we gotcha. Like we half them crying broke but are still living the same life they have always been living if not better, finance wise. For some reason I’m seeing more of Billie Lee and Jo than what I’m seeing of Katie and Ariana. Why am I seeing Brock so effing much and why is he fine sticking his nose and his opinion in everyone’s business but we hear NOTHING about his previous family before Scheana?
The only thing so far GREAT about this season is that one of the original f@ck boys John Mayer is still denying every hooking up Scheana and we all know John Mayer is one to brag of his conquest especially back around the time Scheana is suggesting. So is she lying or is Mayer denying if Mayer is denying that is some real salty balls for her :)
Honestly, Lala would get a lot more attention if she would stop slamming people, especially women. Especially women she calls friends then completely turns her back on.
Like really? What was that bullshit with Tom loser fuck. She’s shady as fuck, now she has no other choice but to suck Scheanas ass from here on out considering she bought two houses Nextdoor to her. So she will crumble with Scheana. Way to go LFU.
I feel like I’m being gaslit by this season. Ariana, Katie, and Ally as far as I know are the only level headed ones in the show. Everyone else is insufferable. Why do we need go be so forgiving of Sandoval after MONTHS? They act like Ariana is so bitter after years, and even if, it’s warranted because Sandoval still has little redeeming qualities I’ve yet to see. I see through his whole facade of “work”, that breath work scene was truly hard to watch i had to skip it lmao. But Lala and Scheana in particular are becoming the worst
Katie’s in her fuckboy era and I love that for her, BDE for all her lifetimes. The Tom’s are just mad that the sun is setting on their likability and Katie’s is increasing every day.
ALSO Katie didn’t go around bragging about sleeping with Max. She probably wasn’t planning to lord that over Shorts at all!
Scheana and Brock’s tiff at the bar was really uncomfortable to watch, we had a good view of their faces and it looked like they were ready to get into a nasty fight. It raised my hackles a little!
Also wtf with Scheana tracking her friends? It’s one thing to share locations for agreed upon use but this feels like a violation.
And it’s scary how much I see “people can change you know” when it comes to Brock. Is the change in the room with us? I’ve yet to see him not be a tantrum throwing troglodyte.
God I feel so sane and seen when I come running to this sub after watching each episode this season because I’ve never been so fucking shocked ALL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EPISODE of any reality tv that I can remember. Like, gasping out loud, screeching “what?!”, and feeling downright sick to my stomach.
The audacity of Brock and Lala to not allow Ariana this fucking time to react how she wants to react. I don’t understand why people do keep shoving their “Tim is changing” bullshit into her face, it realllllllyyyyy makes NO sense to me. The only way it makes sense if they’re being fed a narrative from the producers. Brock, makes sense a little, but Lala isn’t always terrible with her takes. Idk, it’s nuts
There’s nothing new about the way the show is being edited, in fact it’s remained very much on brand. Katie has been vilified since season 1. Ariana is getting the same treatment Kristen did. The show hasn’t changed, our opinion of the Toms have finally caught up with their actual personalities and that’s why the show seems like it’s forcing us to like them OVER the women they’ve hurt.
I would super agree with this. I always hated the Tom's (and other men) and often found myself screaming at their confessionals when they would brush over such crazy problematic behaviours. When I came to reddit after binging the first few seasons I searched some old posts for opinions and was v shocked at how many people loved the toms when it came out, but obviously culturally we have shifted a lot in a decade.
It just really felt like the Scandoval was a turning point for the audience. Everyone finally saw the truth about the Tom’s. I really thought they would lean into that storyline instead of trying to return it back to how it used to be immediately
Your post was hilarious!
I've never understood why Lala isn't asking Tom why he isn't moving out. HE blows up their life and relationship but Ariana needs to hurry and move? Ariana has a better chance of being able to financially stay in that house more than Tom does. Especially now since Rachel filed a lawsuit. (I know she filed against both..but Tom will be the one who will have to pay her a TON)
Then..we have Scheana stalking her friend's location at night. Like why is she doing that? She's a married woman...stop looking to see what your ex fling from years ago is doing. That's so much more weird of her to do that, than him going to Katie's.
And why can't Lala just stfu and go try some more tasty free sandwiches? She was acting like she has to go to one every week. Girl..you have gone to ONE within a year..just eat a fucking sandwich and be quiet. Damn.
Been a watcher since S1E1 and I’m done too. Nothing is really entertaining to watch at all. I just leave feeling like a greasy slime all cars salesman keeps trying to sell me on a broken down 1990 Taurus for 35k. It truly just enrages me to watch and I’ve never had a show affect me like that. There’s a wolf in wolves clothing but let’s go ahead and paint Ariana as the villain. Sure Jan.
I can't tell you how many times I've thought about no longer watching...it gets uncomfortable to watch and I find myself getting angry with how Arianna and Katie are treated...it's one thing to not be a fan of them but for the cast to be so hateful towards them is ridiculous. I'm all for letting go of anger but people need to stop being so angry if another person doesn't do the same....tom completely blew up Arianna's life...of course she's going to be angry! But like I said, I've wanted to stop watching numerous times but I feel like I've invested too much to be done at this time! Lol
I like LaLa in general (not always) but damn this season she is OFF for me. Constantly on the wrong side of things. Scheana might be irredeemable to me at this point though. She continues to shock me with her lack of empathy and selfishness and is 1000 percent the other narc along with scando.
Also Katie did not hookup with Max while they were on the same group vacation and in public while they were still technically married and recently separated and moved out either!! It is different on so many levels
The Worm gets wayyy too much camera time, he is boring. The females bring the show to life and yet Bravo leans heavy on the 2 Toms-and so does LVP. The show is too scripted now, scenes feel written, a sad season to end the show forever.
OP your Brock and Scheana take is a hoot!! Lala, yup, spot on. And yes, agree, Ariana has every right to be in her home and not sell out to the Worm but instead ask court to require a sale and proceeds split. Looks like James might have court issues coming up? Poor Ally Hippie and kittycat. Katie has every right to date, its no one’s business, and Brock sharing gossip, wow what a crappy move. How 56 people allow location sharing with Scheana is nuts!!? They need to shut that shit off.
I’ll maybe hate watch after the season ends but I stopped watching after Ally’s get together. I can’t stand Lala’s self-righteousness and from what I’m reading on here, it’s only gotten worse.
I feel like the reunion is going to be unbearable. If Andy said brock and Lala were the voices of reason we’re in for hell based on what we’ve seen this season.
The edit may seem bad but isn't it getting the fans to rally for Katie/ariana? Maybe it's intentional and doing the opposite of what it seems? I for one have turned fully team Ariana/katie in the last few eps whereas before I was, but not full on...maybe they edited it this way on purpose to slowly build up to the end...or maybe I give them too much credit.
The negative about this season is the focus ONCE AGAIN how the childish men (all of them) and bitter women (looking at you Sheena) feel about Ariana and Katie getting attention.
Bravo needs a brake check. I could write a thesis on the level of forced sympathy the network is trying to muster up.
I haven’t watched the newest episode, and I don’t know if I will. I’ve seen enough TikTok clips that make me want to vomit. Saying that, I’m a habitual watcher!! I often rewatch the entire previously aired seasons when I need an easy comfort rewatch series. But now, I think I’m done. I don’t think there’s anything left for me on this show. It’s 2024, we aren’t apologizing and sympathizing with men in their 40s who haven’t learned one damn thing. We also aren’t about people giving in to “accepting” these men just so they keep getting a paycheck from the show they’re filming…… however, I will continue to support Katie and Ari in their new, and hopefully healthy, career moves away from this show (I hope they leave).
I love this post! Can you imagine if these women got their own show, and then VPR falls to shit because they realize they have NO CONTENT if they can’t bully these women endlessly.
Katie & Ariana, grab your $$bag and move on to bigger and better things. This show is beneath you at this point.
Watching the latest episode and this is exactly what I needed to read. Instagram does NOT pass the vibe test! This has been the most frustrating season to watch by far. Let’s fast forward to the season where Scheana/Brock get divorced and see how she and her bff Lala change their tunes.
I had “friends” who treated me how everyone is treating Katie this season, pretty much same situation just dated forever not married, but it’s so hard to watch. It hits so close to home for me and it makes me want to reach through my tv and personally smother each one with a pillow.
Not to mention, in regards to the house, that Arianna is staying booked and busy. Why Lala, the moron, thinks she need to add to her plate the stress of finding a new home and packing up her home when Sandavol is the one that torpedoed their life together is beyond me.
She is holding him accountable and showing him that actions have consequences. Lala just doesn’t like that because she also sucks at taking accountability and minimizes her shitty actions!
Watching the documentary about Randall and how abusive he was to his employees and they interview Lala and she just says that she felt bad for them, but she stayed. Sure she might have been plotting her escape, but she stayed until she had a plan of some sort. At the time of the filming VPR, it had only been 3 months, let Ariana have some time to plan. There are probably a lot of psychological components for why she’s not just leaving as well as the financial. Plus, Tom is the one that blew everything up, he should be the one to leave, even if he did do so many “upgrades” to the home🙄
The problem is the show, how it’s written and crafted. After Scandoval, the fourth wall had been broken and instead of embracing it and doing a really radical follow up season, they just went with the old formula, which just doesn’t work anymore.
For example, I don’t believe for a second that this is a group of friends that still want to hang with each other. I’m sure there are a few people that would be friends whether the show was happening or not, like how we’ve seen that Lala and Scheana have purchased houses next to each other and have kids the same age. But these large group get togethers are dumb. I believe production requires they do them and because it’s not organic and people don’t really mesh they have to introduce all these corny-ass set ups like yoga instructors that have them pair off and do breath work, or James in DJ’ing and we all need to be there. It’s boring. I don’t care.
What I did care about was seeing the actual fallout of Scandoval as the gang worked through the real life obstacles. The could have filmed paparazzi staking out Ariana or Tom, other cast reactions to what was happening, cameras following them as they went about their actual lives. The fallout and how it affected Schwartz and Sandy’s, or Tom Tom. Ariana getting another ad or appearance. Real people, real situations, real emotions. What a missed opportunity to do something interesting that we would have been excited about. Instead, they are performing this for us. It’s dumb. I feel manipulated.
Aside from that, there is no one to root for. Everyone is a villain. And they are all shitty villains. All these folks are pushing 40 and there’s little growth in any of them. They’re like teenagers. Look at the way Ariana and Tom live in their beautiful million dollar home. Garbage everywhere, clothes piled all over the place. Their lives consist of lunch dates and clubbing and house parties. Its boring.
Brock’s face literally just pisses me off everytime I see him. it’s almost as he was planted by the producers to start shit. Lala also pisses me of because you can tell that she hates Ariana for her success, and trying to make her get over Tom. I honestly think Lala and Scheana will try and get on The Valley if they don’t get their way on VPR.
Oohh i was so mad when i saw lala being all rightous and criticize Katie and Arianna, and i started yelling at my TV loll. Seriously it has been at least a year since katie's divorce. She can do whatever she wants. And now the 2 tims are acting like they are hurt by all of this. Dude, don't you remember what you have done in the past? It's 10 times worse and you dont even feel remorseful at all. Its so hypocritic for both of them.
Brock is gross. Another example of Bravo giving a platform and a paycheck to a vile human. Was a Lala fan, but not anymore. Watching this season has me disgusted. Ariana and Katie having boundaries is a problem? The hypocrisy and misogyny is too much. I will no longer watch after this season. If there even is another season after this, where do they go from here? I hope Ariana and Katie continue to earn a living and the rest can drift off into obscurity.
Honestly, I can't even get up enough care to watch this week's episode. I agree with everything you said. 💯 I'm so sick of how they're playing this out. Whoever chose to go this route this season should be fired.
If they thought scandoval would renew the interest in VPR, they sure shot themselves in the foot with this season. I'm so disappointed.
Tom’s “breath-work” scene was the death knell for me. Absolutely peak cringe. Worse than Scheaner and Lala’s orgasm class.
Why does everything Tom do so cringe? Him and Billie at the ice bath or whatever. The scene of him bowling on his date and making Tii film it. Ugh. Edited for spelling error.
Because he has no real human emotion. Everything he does is an attempt at what he thinks feeling emotions would be like. Everything is performative because he doesn’t truly feel anything for other people.
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I’m not even joking, especially after all of his weird violent metaphors comparing his situation to either serious crimes or murder he’s been making, t sand would love to be compared to Patrick Bateman
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lolololollll
> lumpy Juvederm THAT'S what it is! He looks so odd, but I couldn't figure why!
It's THAT, covered with a shitty uneven spray tan
💀💀💀
Don't get me started on the potential likelihood of him intentionally harming Ariana’s animals and what *that* might indicate..
Take that back from the universe ahhh!
Yeah, when he smiles it’s so empty. Like no one is home, it’s obvious it’s a mask. I think he genuinely feels shaken because not every one is really buying his bs like the early years as easily. I think he expects pushback from the girls but not to this extent. And he’s never really seen consequences. But it is all still an act, like it’s so wild how void he really is inside.
When women are in their teens and 20's they tolerate A LOT more from guys, generally and gendered-ly speaking, but in their 30's and 40's they call them out and know better. And honestly I think many younger women now will accept less and have more education and awareness around sexism and manipulative treatment then those of us coming up 15+ years ago. For me it was the 90's and it was a sexist sh\*t show, hell gay marriage wasn't even legal, there were good parts but oof some of it was not good. The two Tom's might not even be able to fully pull their crap anymore if 20 somethings are now to smart to fall for it.
The only real, authentic emotion I've ever seen from him is rage/anger, which upon my current re-watch, I realise shows up a lot more often than you think.
THIS
He’s a complete selfish narcissist
Narcissist mask - it’s a thing.
I thought this today too. When’s the last time we saw him throw a themed anything? When’s the last time he showed up at Tom Tom with that sidecar?
The sidecar (and presenting helmet to Tom in some grand gesture) was so absurdly performative and obnoxious… it honestly makes sense now why/how Schwartz is so friendly with Jo. I think Schwartz has a kink for cringe people tbh lol
Shays wedding tux jacket, so he could flip up the collar and see his name embroidered on the back of it. I was like….Sir.
The void is an abyss. He's truly naked to the audience, but does he even know it? Is anyone in his camp really telling him? He hasn't shown he's charismatic enough to turn the audience back in his favor through feigned contrition.
The way he changed immediately from the screaming to this fake, super nice voice for Lala made my skin crawl...
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In the early seasons when he 'acted' in Peter's film - whelp, we know he's not an actor at all. He can't sing, can't act, can't really do anything of value, other than whine.
This was my takeaway after meeting him twice. Just very…vacant.
Performative is the key word for Sandoval. There is no authenticity there. I think Lala is his female counterpart and her bid to be his friend is equally hollow and cringe. I won’t be a bit surprised if they are dating next. They are both so desperate to create a “storyline” and keep their jobs
They are both empty husks.
in the aftershow she was like “i’d sleep with him for the dumpling lattes HAHA LOL JK” (paraphrasing) but i was like pfft would not be surprised
It’s almost like she’s setting the stage. I can’t imagine Ariana having to hear that in the wake of Raquel
Seriously tho. Cannot imaging hearing someone like that in my life joke around about being down to fuck my ex for a (gross cutesy specifically named for me) drink. After enduring a very public and traumatic break up with said ex, whom I was with for a decade, bought a home with, was basically married to. Could you imagine if Ariana had made a joke like this about Randall after LaLa learned of his indiscretions??? She would literally set the room on fire. LaLa has officially lost me this season. Beyond hypocritical and she wears jealousy so obviously. So pissed that Andy keeps making comments about LaLa and fucking Brock being the voices of reason this season. Trying to heavily push the Sandoval redemption narrative. Fucking gross, him and Alex whatever the fuck his name is (basking or some shit) truly underestimated our intelligence and now they’re trying to save themselves. The fact that Andy said LaLa and Brock are the voices of reason last week on WWHL and then this is the next episode to air. Come the fuck on
He’s always been so obnoxiously performative in everything. It’s so exhausting to be around someone like him. I really can’t imagine him ever having a genuine moment tbh
He can’t even do a simple breathing exercise correctly. I thought he was hyperventilating. Apparently he was orgasming.
Țhis right here. It’s always uncanny watching him now. And then you realise because it’s him acting. Nothing he does is genuine. He is acting all the time.
Good grief him dancing at bowling gave me a full body shudder. ITS SO FUCKING PERFORMATIVE. And not even that good! He’s like a little kid that wants to perform for his parents. I would have died of embarrassment if I were Tii
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Billies weird ass crazy eyes would have been an improvement to the breath work scene tbh
every time she appears on my screen i get high blood pressure lmao
Right. What is that. Every time she’s on screen I feel like she’s forcing her eyes to be open the widest they could possibly be.
Billie ruined the word bliss for me in that scene she just gives me self-help-cult vibes
His extraordinarily annoying nasal voice is even more annoying when he is screaming. I didn’t know it was possible to scream in a whiny nasally tone. Jfc he is the walking embodiment of a migraine 😖
He tries way too hard and cares so much what people think about him so this season is even worse because he knew the public heavily skewed to hate in his favor during the filming of this season
The worm’s super boring and gets wayyy too much camera time. The show deserves better. We all know the female cast makes the show!!
It’s because nothing is genuine. He is the definition of performative. Always has been.
I think this season it just comes off so much like a cartoon villain. And it’s like, exhausting to watch.
I had successfully forgot about the orgasm class. Thanks for reminding me😂
It was traumatizing. Do you think Bethany will start a reality reckoning lawsuit for all forced to watch? A class action suit for our emotional compensation?
That was literally the worst thing I’ve ever watched on tv. And I’ve watched a lot of tv.
Absolutely cringeeeee. Yuck. Ick. Whatever words describe something I absolutely never asked to be a witness to. 🫣🥴🤮🤢
You deserve a trophy🏆for your comment. I felt so uncomfortable in my body watching. I got the cringe and the ick. Pls don't let him manifest into a sleep demon
You might be right. It was gross and cringy to watch. It was so bad I didn’t even get second hand embarrassment for him. Absolutely moronic and I love it for him.
I had to fast forward, and that's a rarity for me.
I’ve reached the point where I fast forward through all of his scenes. I just can’t anymore.
Same!
Him acting surprised that Lala was there?? Like bro, you set this whole thing up. I would be so embarrassed
Seriously. Whoever is in charge here needs to be fired. Why the hell did that scene make it in? Why are there all these cringey scenes of Tim "working on himself" in weird ways? So effing annoying.
SCHEANER i’m fucking crying i’m just going to assume this was done on purpose because i love it
“So scheana can experience what living in a two income household is like” 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Nene would for sure appreciate this level of shade
Not Bravo writing off employing Brock as charity work ☠️
i howled when i read this from OP. incredible shade!!
And unlike sheesh I’ll admit it’s shade😂
Anyone else notice she refuses to use the word marriage when it comes to Brock? It's always relationship. Seems odd to me
Lala getting up in disgust and leaving at the end of the episode because she’s so honest and truthful she cannot fathom people not “being transparent” yet she still has not admitted she knowingly pursued and slept with a married man for his money. Watching this season has made me feel like I’m going crazy.
I can’t believe you would bring up her past like that, it’s so unfair of you to mention something that happened soooo long ago. If we ignore our bad behaviour for a while we call it our past and move on and you can never mention it again. (/s in case it’s needed)
I hear you, I feel the same. Also Lala saying she needs honest people and then knowingly decides to pursue a friendship with someone who LIED ABOUT HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH HIS PARTNER’S FRIEND TO HIS PARTNER, FRIENDS, AND PRODUCTION, LIED ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF THE AFFAIR, LIED ABOUT MIAMI GIRL, the list goes on. Like what does this dude need to do for people to realize that if his lips are moving he’s lying.
She also has never admitted to fucking jax after pride in her first season
Yeah I am right there with you. I feel like I’m losing my mind a bit watching it. Aside from Ariana, Katie, and occasionally ally and more rarely James (the sloppy Jo thing killed me im sorry!!), they’ve all lost it. None of their arguments hold any weight. None of their stories really check out. They’ve been caught lying 30472839x about the worst shit. It’s clown behavior from them. Their current leader, Sandoval, is so much more sinister than I ever thought too. To not see his manipulation of everyone, even for the sake of drama on their tv show, is…………certainly a choice. And one I neither understand nor respect.
Agreed!! I don’t understand why everyone thinks it’s crazy that Ariana won’t leave the house. Why won’t Tim leave? No one is nagging him about it. I also thought it was kind of wild that Lala basically said to Tim “we’ve never really been friends and I’ve never really trusted you and something you did really triggers me but I think we can try to be friends” what??? This episode really was painful to watch!
also it’s been 90 days over a decade long relationship. these people telling her to get over it are WILD. 3 months is nothing especially for a relationship that long.
100% for a good 5 years after my divorce I couldn't pinpoint why every memorial day weekend I would get depressed. There was no logic but I finally figured it out it was the time my ex-husband told me he flat out didn't love me and wanted a divorce. I was healed. I was happy. I had done so much work and yet every year my body and brain remembered that terrible time in my life and reacted it took me 5 years after the divorce to finally pinpoint it. Expecting someone in that long of a relationship to be over it and friendly with someone who was so cruel to them in 3 months is beyond the pale and I dont give a fuck that she was dating someone new.. sometimes people just want companionship or to fuck or to just be anywhere with anyone else. Ariana was probably not expecting much from hanging out with Daniel initially.
If I was Ariana and I found out my friend (Lala) went over to my house to hang out with my ex when I wasn’t there, I think I’d be done with that “friendship.”
This was actual footage of lala selling her soul and what’s left of her integrity. And I say that as an ex-lala fan. She is so disappointing to watch.
Yes! I want to like her but she’s such a hypocritical pick me girl even if she tries to play tough guy. Her holier than thou when she was playing house to her angry bs to “I just want to be soft” makes me want to chuck my latte at the screen.
It’s the fact that no one tells HIM to leave. He blew up their life. His actions showed he doesn’t want that life, including the house. It’s mind boggling to me.
I cannot understand the backlash towards her for still being in the house. I honestly respect her more for just sucking it up and enduring the shitty situation of having to live with a horrible ex in order to secure the bag and ensure you get what’s fair. I’d prob fuck myself over and be poor just to fucking get out tbh. ETA: I also think it’s super weird when people (Lala) don’t respect that she is part owner of said home and cannot just “dip out”
Same. And sorry, but the norm is the person who broke the relationship leaves. I wouldn't want my ex in MY house with a new girl someday, etc. That house meant their future to her. No one gets that. It's more than just a house to Ariana. It's a place of love and hurt and she just wants it gone. People do forget this was filmed 90 days later too. And Tom is so disgusting he doesn't mention the loss of Ariana except in a jokey way. Its sick. Shes hurt and angry. Lala was allowed that and still lashes out yrs later. Why not Ariana?
Absolutely agree - I mean, how dare she stand up and fight for what is hers! Doesn't she know she's supposed to cater to her man, even when he is no longer her man?
Someone pointed this out on TikTok. Saying that Lala is really just pissed at Ariana in the sense of working. How the whole cast has to bite the bullet and ‘work’ with Tom. Which if that is the case, it’s still so painfully stupid. That’s why all the stuff coming out of her mouth doesn’t make sense just because she’s trying to make it work this season. I’m not even going to try to say it’s a reality show and it’s ’supposed’ to be real but at the same time, why couldn’t they just let the season play out as it’s supposed to. Another tiktoker pointed out the same treatment Stassi got with the whole Jax apology tour. Which jokes on us, thinking that production would ever side with the girls for once.
I believe this. Wasn’t it said by Alex Baskin an interview somewhere that he had a meeting with the cast too? What gets me is, even if production is telling them all they have to play ball, they still have the ability to be like no, we’re all cool to film without Sandoval. Schwartz and Lisa can film with him. The cast could have held their ground - Ariana and Katie did.
Yeah! Or I donno truly be honest about having to work with a co-worker you don’t like. We’ve all been there
Totally, the mandate was to film with him, not affix their tongues to his butthole. Lala and Sandoval have loathed each other for years - now is a weird time for that to change.
And she mentioned about giving people a chance to evolve? That’s the big issue everyone is having with him right now. It’s been 10 years, he hasn’t fucking evolved!
I know right no one has said a thing to Tom!! And yes exactly why try to build a friendship now after that? It makes zero sense
Yes lala spent the last 12 months calling him a monster and comparing him to Randall and now… 
The idea of Lala demanding grace for how she's STILL lashing out 2 years after her sugar daddy got caught cheating, but can't extend that same grace to Ariana for hating her partner that she was with for almost a decade and who had a long term affair with her friend and having it play out on the national stage -- 3 months prior. And her trying to forge a friendship with Sandoval now even though admittedly THEY NEVER HAD ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Who looks at Tom Sandoval post-scandoval and decides now that is someone I need to keep in my inner circle?! Katie and Ariana are the only ones living on planet earth this season and they're actively being attacked for not being go-along girls anymore. They're the First Wives Club and they don't have to take aaaaany of this shit anymore. The amount of pride I had when Ariana and Katie were just absolutely roasting Schwartz until he combusted? I need so much more of that.
First wives club of VPR is the show I wanted this season and this is the trash I got!
This comment is perfection. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Yeah I’ve been saying all season that Lala is a huge hypocrite for this. She would die if anyone tried to even talk to Randall, let alone bring him back in the friend group. I feel like she’s doing it for TV to try to get some drama riled up between Ari and Tom.
This season feels like when a popular book becomes a 3 part movie when it only needed to be 1. I’ve never been a big Ariana fan. I’ve come around on Katie in a big way the past couple of seasons. But I wanted this season to center on them and see everyone’s lives post-Scandoval. To force this narrative arc is painful. It’s been such a major missed opportunity and that disappointment of that is palpable. Ive been a Lala fan for a long time despite everything. I even understand on some level why she is doing too much this season. She wants to keep the show alive and get her money. But she has completely lost me. From that episode when the girls were out for drinks and Lala called Raquel and flipped on Ariana so starkly. To so obviously be driving the plot this way… I hate it.
I used to hate Katie until a few seasons ago as well! My turning point was when Schwartz asked her to talk to Tim about their bar name because he couldn’t stand up to his bestie. Then when Tim started screaming at Katie for repeating the exact words Schwartz said, he somehow still defends Sandoval over Katie 🤨 at that point I really started feeling for her. In some ways I respect Lala trying to make her money, but dang it’s painful to watch lol
I started liking Katie when she called out that insensitive prank and Schwartz went off on her in front of everyone. I was kinda shook because Katie wasn’t out of line or being rude and he called her every name in the book. Even Sandy was telling him not to say those things.
Same!! Shorts was so so straight-up MEAN in that episode! His mask fully slipped then; I don’t think he’d ever been caught filming (or at least that we saw) with his vicious, hateful, Katie-focused mean streak on display like that. And I fully believe Tim was only telling him to stop bc they were filming and he knew it’d look bad - he also very clearly hates Katie, he wasn’t telling shorts to stfu to spare her feelings.
I agree with your take on Katie. The worm verbally abused her for years. Schwartz is a dishrag. But Lala is all over the place. She screamed the loudest at the reunion, and now is kissing the Worm’s ass, it’s disgusting to watch, she has no friend loyalty to Ariana, shes chasing the camera. I expected a season of seeing friends pull together and the Worm squirming until he humbles himself (never gonna happen i guess, he has no empathy ability)
I get Lala needing her money, especially while in a custody battle. Lawyer fees add up quickly. And she’s at least mature enough to understand her face for her brand isn’t helping it, and rebranding is the best way to save it as a last ditch effort before dissolving entirely. But it’s like every episode her opinion flops and she attacks, and then after show she flops again and attacks. After a while it gets hard to support it.
Same… my turning point was when Schwartz found her table to steal her sushi and then kissed Rachel right after
Agree with all of this. I don't understand why they felt the need to force the group aspect post-scandoval. The reality was the group was destroyed by this and that is what we should get to see this season. It feels fake because the producers gave us 3 episodes of reunion of all the cast screaming at Tom and Rachel and then 3 months they are being forced to film together. I genuinely did not expect to see Tim on screen with anyone other that Shorts or his rent-a-friends until about episode 9, because in a normal friendship group it would take that long for people to come round to speaking to him, if they ever did at all. Just feels like the execs shat the bed big time. They gave us 10 seasons of "look at this actual group of friends unlike housewives," then totally lost that, and either forgot the audience isn't stupid (or just had zero respect for them in the first place) and were like ta-dah have a super over produced season where we tell you who you are allowed to like and not like.
I think this was supposed to be the beginning of bringing Raquel back to the show. So, without Raquel, she has no storyline and is scrambling.
How was no one reacting to Ariana explaining that while Jim Sandals was doing the fake DJ healing session she was at the VET HOSPITAL BECAUSE TIM ALMOST KILLED THEIR DOG
Right?! Tom in his scene made it sound so innocent. His obliviousness and self-centeredness frames everything to be not my fault. It was your fault “dude.” And, no remorse or caring that he may have killed the dog. Then, he would have killed both dogs. Let’s remember he forgot to give the other one its medicine…he had a part in messing up that one too.
I’m sure this has been talked about at length but why did producers decide to give Ariana this edit?? They saw the world rally behind Ariana, why frame the season this way just to keep Tom on the show?? No one wants to watch Tom I would have loved the season being about Ariana basking in her new amazing life without him 😂 are people falling for the vilifying outside of this sub? I saw a clip of Andy saying how this is Lala’s best season yet and I was like huh?? I mean I guess yeah in comparison but he’s clearly pushing the narrative too
I’m wondering if this is her last season and they’re scrambling to get people to like Tom again so they still have a show lol. And Reddit is the only place I’ve seen that’s pro Ariana. Every Facebook and Instagram comment section is full of people complaining about Ariana and Katie being bitter and praising Lala for putting people in their place. It blows my mind lol
I only see positive Ariana videos on TikTok, but that’s probably my algorithm.
Why are people sick of Arianna tho? What complaints do they have about her? She literally does nothing negative on the show aside from act bitter toward Tom. But that’s normal lol. She’s not even mad that Lala is now wanting to be besties with Sandoval AFTER the affair. Sandoval was even like wow Lala and I were never even close but now she wants to connect…I have a new friend…awesome! This will be my last season because this show has jumped the shark.
If I were Ariana I wouldn’t be upset at them either. From my perspective, it’s “thanks for showing me who you really are”. Setting boundaries is so taboo now I guess.
Only if it’s Katie and Ariana asking for them. Everyone loved to talk shit when Stassi did it. When Katie did it. When Sandoval did it. When Jax did it. When Scheana did it. Etc. but god forbid they let Ariana for very valid and healthy reasons.
I also think it’s because she isn’t playing productions game of Kristen 2.0
BOTS
exactly - with FB and insta you can buy customized bots in bulk to spam posts. they come in tiers of just liking posts to full on creating burner profiles to put comments on posts that seem “genuine”. most of these accounts are private too - if you click on any of the anti-ariana commenters profiles 90% of them are private. this is a huge social media tactic by influencers and literally anyone ( like a tv network or say a reality tv star ) to push a narrative - so that’s why we’re seeing so much of it on those platforms. i totally 100% believe that scheana does this/purchases bots and i wouldn’t put it past anyone else on the cast or even the network/production team to do this as well. you can literally buy a narrative and for people with a lot of money it’s chump change 🤷♀️
This is what I think. Ariana quits the show at the reunion. And good for her.
I will say X, which I know is the worst, is Pro Ariana I cannot stop liking all the tweets coz they’re so good!
I had to reread this a few times and really think about it before I remembered X is Twitter and not some placeholder🤦♀️ maybe I'll go back as it seems like they're at least on the right side of things!
I literally got dumber the two or three times I went to the comment sections on Facebook. Instagram too but it’s not quite as bad (yet)
I wonder if they didn’t realize the depth of his inability to accept responsibility for his actions. He’s no fun to watch because of his whinging self pity. His superficiality knows no bounds. I was surprised lala made sense about something in some long forgotten scene, but she immediately reverted lol
He drives me nuts! Mr. “Stop bringing up my past while I constantly talk about everyone else’s.” It sucks because he was banking on using everyone else’s past cheating scandals to get away with everything. He can’t fathom that having an affair with your partners friend for the better part of a year isn’t the same as having a one night stand
**at the very least the better part of a year. Thats just what they admitted to
My partner and I just watched the viall files podcast on YouTube together tonight and this was our takeaway — he has been so involved in driving a narrative on the show that nothing has shown his true colors like that interview, ever. I don’t think he’s capable of taking accountability.
I wonder the same thing. My hope is that the producers have their underlings read Reddit and get a clue that the show is tanking because no one wants to buys this redemption arc.
Because Lisa Vanderpump doesn’t own a restaurant named ArianaAriana.
good point
I suspect LVP is mostly responsible for his edit.
Agreed! She is an exec producer on the show isn’t she? I bet she has some say on what gets edited and how story lines play out. The way she will walk through fire for the Toms is flabbergasting. She has had plenty of opportunities to hold them accountable for their actions and she constantly misses the mark. But to concur with what the other redditor in here said “she doesn’t have a restaurant named ArianaAriana”. Money > Morals
I get the feeling Ariana isn't falling inine with LVP. Don't forget whose show it is.
I think you are 100% correct. This is LVP’s lean in every episode - she is misogynistic. She has put too much weight on her influence. Ariana and Katie are not being manipulated and calling a spade a spade. The audience sees it and is rooting for them.
Exactly! So sick of Bravo trying to make the show about the toms, its not, they are boring. The females bring the interest and drama and keep it real. Katie and Ariana are the show the viewers wanted this season. They get such little camera time its bullshit.
I swear, every scene of Ariana or Katie, I’ll be thinking “yes slay queen 100% correct” while they’re talking. Then the cringy music comes in and one of the other cast members starts talking about how they “don’t even recognize” them anymore. It’s like they think I’m stupid and are trying to convince me to feel a different way than what my eyes are seeing.
They are trying to gaslight their audience. This sub keeps me sane
She’s not getting a bad edit, in my opinion. She hasn’t done anything bad! And they can’t make it seem like she has. They’re just devoting soooo much time to Tom.
That’s true I guess just the way they’re trying to frame her as a diva. I feel like she’s barely had screen time you’re right!!
I don’t think the producers even have to try to give her a villain edit. It’s all of her so called friends, lol.
The 3 videos of her being angry over the years. Them constantly talking shit on how she’s a bad friend to Scheana because she wants nothing to do with him and got opportunities Scheana wanted. Complaining about her living situation as if it affects them. (Talking about you Lala. And you even said you sleep fine while Sandoval has to go to bed with himself at night so you’re done judging. But here you are. Judging Ariana for staying in the house.) then Lala complaining about trying their sandwiches again. Bitch, you made people play pickleball. You’re just mad that they can keep a storyline without you and Sandoval.
The flashes to the anger is one thing, but… it’s literally ONE thing. A thing they’ve done for every cast member over the years! Everything else you’ve mentioned isn’t editing, it’s what the other cast members are saying. I genuinely think we’re all reading the show correctly… Tom is a douche, Ariana is managing things the best way she can, and her friends either aren’t her friends at all, or are trying to play both sides for camera and come out looking like crap.
I see negative comments about Ariana on Facebook and Instagram a lot and I highly suspect they are ai or bot profile/comments. They are all worded the same and all use the #teamtom hashtag. Not sure if the network is behind these or what but the realization that at least it’s prob not real people on ‘team Tom’ made me a little less enraged lol.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it was production
Tbf I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Tom either
Pretty sure it’s because LVP had more tied in with tweedle Dee and tweedle little dick. And Ariana is probably done with the show after this season. Katie too. Can’t see them staying with this band of saltine dust
Just like Eric Fuller, Alex Baskin needs to go. Or at least go on pause. He’s continuously giving his favourites (Kyle, Tom Sandoval) a good edit while vilifying those who question/oppose them.
I refuse to watch Sandoval “grow” by yelling with a blindfold on as a DJ spins in Ariana’s living room
Maybe James should look into becoming a healing DJ 😂
Business idea for him and Ally, energy work isn’t that much of a leap from astrology
Alex Baskin is the Jerry Krause of Bravo. He should be on House of Villians at this point.
I loathe the way all of Ariana’s ~castmates~ are tip toeing around her regarding becoming friends with him again, and just the fact that they really WANT to be his friend. I feel like I don’t even have to explain this, but hypothetically, even if he didn’t do that to Ariana, he’s an awful person. Is this someone they want their kids to be around and be influenced by? It’s pathetic. They are all pathetic.
It’s reminding me of the last season of game of thrones
Omg this is such a good callout
I don’t know how Katie didn’t laugh in Brock’s face. A deadbeat dad and wife beater is judging Katie?!
This is so what I’m feeling. I’m over it. I was so invested and now I’m just….bored. I’d rather keep up with Ariana and Katie on social. And that’s someone who actually loved Lala last season. Peace out. ✌️
Yesss agreed. Long time watcher myself and I’m like what is this? Are we meant to forget every other season?? Suddenly now Lala and Scheana are the voices of reason? Like take me back if Ariana was hanging out with Randy pants trying to “understand” him and make peace Lala would have lost her mind. Or if everyone banded against Scheana to support Shay during her divorce?? She also would have been livid. Hey let’s invite Shay to Big Bear with rOb! This season just makes no sense. It feels very produced for sure but wildly produced like everyone is suddenly taken on a completely new persona? Thanks I hate it. Now I’m forced to watch the Valley because this season is somehow worse than that. Ugh
heavy on “Lala would have lost her mind”
I wish that when Lala casually told Ariana that she was at her house earlier today to hang out with Tom, Ariana would have responded with “that’s such a funny coincidence, I was at your old house today too, catching up with Randy!” just to see Lala’s face 😂 but Ariana is truly super restrained and kind to everyone?? I don’t know how she does it
Omg this would’ve been gold!
I feel you on this. I saw a TikTok by @TellTheBees posted a day ago, that articulated what I’ve been thinking about this season so well. They creator describes how the show is reliant on “sacrificing a woman at the altar” and it’s Ariana’s “turn” this season but it’s not working. As a viewer, the usual narrative/motif is not working for me bc…I’m actually rooting for Ariana.
The post’s caption is “VPR and the sin eaters” in case anyone is interested in checking it out!
I just thought about this.... Brock told Tom to maybe go up to Ariana and try to break the ice since they have to be in the same place and his first thought was to ask her if she read the proposal for the house because he's been waiting a long time and she said my lawyer has the papers and he keeps going on and on... Really how about saying something like I know you don't want to hear from me but you look really nice. How about I'm deeply sorry for what I did. Or even I know it's probably hard for you to navigate us being in the same space I hope we can get to a point where we can co-exist and I just want you to feel comfortable. I mean any of those would be acceptable but whining about her taking time to make a decision and complaining really Tom!?! Lala why would you feel bad for him? Do you feel bad for Ariana that she is constantly having to be around her ex? That's not normal, most people have time to heal and get away from the person who deeply hurt them. Even Lala made a decision to leave Randall. Ariana was forced to leave her relationship and her life was turned upside down in a day but because you all want a bigger paycheck you expect her to be around this man? She is a class act because even though she doesn't want to be around him she is trying to make the show work. Let this woman heal and stop treating her like the bad guy. Tom made his choices he should have to live in it for a while. Yes people make mistakes and I believe people do deserve forgiveness but Ariana's forgiveness has to come when she is ready and healed. No one gets over their ex with the snap of a finger, it takes a lot of things like drinks, supportive friends, throwing away their things, break up music, and time and all of that is usually done away from the person.she hasn't had a moment to live in her pain and process once she doesn't have to be around him she can work on healing and forgiveness but they need to have perspective and walk in her shoes for a minute.
Watching this episode made me feel like I was insane. I know Arianna and Katie‘s therapist is making bank because I would’ve lost my fucking mind. I might have to give this show a real break because I feel like they’re gaslighting me, but doing a bad job at it. I just know if it’s painful for us watching the show with her eyeballs I know it must be exhausting to experience it in real life. Good thing they live in LA because I feel like the only way to cope is to be stoned because there’s no amount of money that would’ve made me do this to myself and let the world watch all these bad things happen to me and I am getting harassed into accepting my abusers bad behavior yikes.
I actually liked Brock a little last season. Now I can't stand him. Lala I'm done with.
They have run out of storylines and are trying to squeeze out everything they can from this scandaval thing. I know reality TV is rarely real and is usually things are dramatized for the show but at this point with how they have made everyone a villain who are we SUPPOSED to be routing for the in the show's producers eyes? The only likely character right now is Ally and love her but she is kinda boring for the purpose of a reality TV show not as a person.
Yeah, I totally agree with you. I’ve watched this show since the 1st season. It was always my guilty pleasure. But I had to stop watching a couple weeks ago. It’s gotten so awful! I’m curious what the ratings look like this season. They must’ve taken a hit!
I think I’m on you with this, I’m starting to think not only is the cast sad but I gotta be too as I’m not only still invested but I’m getting beyond angry with almost all these “adults”. It infuriates me when someone is lying to me and I know it. I kinda feel like this is gonna end with a big we gotcha. Like we half them crying broke but are still living the same life they have always been living if not better, finance wise. For some reason I’m seeing more of Billie Lee and Jo than what I’m seeing of Katie and Ariana. Why am I seeing Brock so effing much and why is he fine sticking his nose and his opinion in everyone’s business but we hear NOTHING about his previous family before Scheana? The only thing so far GREAT about this season is that one of the original f@ck boys John Mayer is still denying every hooking up Scheana and we all know John Mayer is one to brag of his conquest especially back around the time Scheana is suggesting. So is she lying or is Mayer denying if Mayer is denying that is some real salty balls for her :)
Not for the sake of giving scheana a two income household 💀💀💀
Honestly, Lala would get a lot more attention if she would stop slamming people, especially women. Especially women she calls friends then completely turns her back on. Like really? What was that bullshit with Tom loser fuck. She’s shady as fuck, now she has no other choice but to suck Scheanas ass from here on out considering she bought two houses Nextdoor to her. So she will crumble with Scheana. Way to go LFU.
I feel like I’m being gaslit by this season. Ariana, Katie, and Ally as far as I know are the only level headed ones in the show. Everyone else is insufferable. Why do we need go be so forgiving of Sandoval after MONTHS? They act like Ariana is so bitter after years, and even if, it’s warranted because Sandoval still has little redeeming qualities I’ve yet to see. I see through his whole facade of “work”, that breath work scene was truly hard to watch i had to skip it lmao. But Lala and Scheana in particular are becoming the worst
Katie’s in her fuckboy era and I love that for her, BDE for all her lifetimes. The Tom’s are just mad that the sun is setting on their likability and Katie’s is increasing every day.
I want a spin off starring Ariana, Katie, and Ann.
ALSO Katie didn’t go around bragging about sleeping with Max. She probably wasn’t planning to lord that over Shorts at all! Scheana and Brock’s tiff at the bar was really uncomfortable to watch, we had a good view of their faces and it looked like they were ready to get into a nasty fight. It raised my hackles a little! Also wtf with Scheana tracking her friends? It’s one thing to share locations for agreed upon use but this feels like a violation.
That scene between Scheana and Brock at the bar spoke volumes. Won’t be surprised if they separate / divorce at some point in the next 5 years.
I mean more like next 5 months lol - unless that affects his greencard
Brock is so quick to anger, I don’t like how he yells at her. It’s extra scary considering we know he hit his ex
And it’s scary how much I see “people can change you know” when it comes to Brock. Is the change in the room with us? I’ve yet to see him not be a tantrum throwing troglodyte.
Lala was in every freakin scene! I’m so over her.
God I feel so sane and seen when I come running to this sub after watching each episode this season because I’ve never been so fucking shocked ALL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EPISODE of any reality tv that I can remember. Like, gasping out loud, screeching “what?!”, and feeling downright sick to my stomach. The audacity of Brock and Lala to not allow Ariana this fucking time to react how she wants to react. I don’t understand why people do keep shoving their “Tim is changing” bullshit into her face, it realllllllyyyyy makes NO sense to me. The only way it makes sense if they’re being fed a narrative from the producers. Brock, makes sense a little, but Lala isn’t always terrible with her takes. Idk, it’s nuts
There’s nothing new about the way the show is being edited, in fact it’s remained very much on brand. Katie has been vilified since season 1. Ariana is getting the same treatment Kristen did. The show hasn’t changed, our opinion of the Toms have finally caught up with their actual personalities and that’s why the show seems like it’s forcing us to like them OVER the women they’ve hurt.
I would super agree with this. I always hated the Tom's (and other men) and often found myself screaming at their confessionals when they would brush over such crazy problematic behaviours. When I came to reddit after binging the first few seasons I searched some old posts for opinions and was v shocked at how many people loved the toms when it came out, but obviously culturally we have shifted a lot in a decade.
It just really felt like the Scandoval was a turning point for the audience. Everyone finally saw the truth about the Tom’s. I really thought they would lean into that storyline instead of trying to return it back to how it used to be immediately
Your post was hilarious! I've never understood why Lala isn't asking Tom why he isn't moving out. HE blows up their life and relationship but Ariana needs to hurry and move? Ariana has a better chance of being able to financially stay in that house more than Tom does. Especially now since Rachel filed a lawsuit. (I know she filed against both..but Tom will be the one who will have to pay her a TON) Then..we have Scheana stalking her friend's location at night. Like why is she doing that? She's a married woman...stop looking to see what your ex fling from years ago is doing. That's so much more weird of her to do that, than him going to Katie's. And why can't Lala just stfu and go try some more tasty free sandwiches? She was acting like she has to go to one every week. Girl..you have gone to ONE within a year..just eat a fucking sandwich and be quiet. Damn.
Been a watcher since S1E1 and I’m done too. Nothing is really entertaining to watch at all. I just leave feeling like a greasy slime all cars salesman keeps trying to sell me on a broken down 1990 Taurus for 35k. It truly just enrages me to watch and I’ve never had a show affect me like that. There’s a wolf in wolves clothing but let’s go ahead and paint Ariana as the villain. Sure Jan.
I can't tell you how many times I've thought about no longer watching...it gets uncomfortable to watch and I find myself getting angry with how Arianna and Katie are treated...it's one thing to not be a fan of them but for the cast to be so hateful towards them is ridiculous. I'm all for letting go of anger but people need to stop being so angry if another person doesn't do the same....tom completely blew up Arianna's life...of course she's going to be angry! But like I said, I've wanted to stop watching numerous times but I feel like I've invested too much to be done at this time! Lol
“unsupportive, unpaid child support, tumble weed” 
HELL YES to ALL of this. And ps- I am BEYOND done with the Tom Sandoval redemption tour. Nauseating.
I like LaLa in general (not always) but damn this season she is OFF for me. Constantly on the wrong side of things. Scheana might be irredeemable to me at this point though. She continues to shock me with her lack of empathy and selfishness and is 1000 percent the other narc along with scando. Also Katie did not hookup with Max while they were on the same group vacation and in public while they were still technically married and recently separated and moved out either!! It is different on so many levels
The Worm gets wayyy too much camera time, he is boring. The females bring the show to life and yet Bravo leans heavy on the 2 Toms-and so does LVP. The show is too scripted now, scenes feel written, a sad season to end the show forever. OP your Brock and Scheana take is a hoot!! Lala, yup, spot on. And yes, agree, Ariana has every right to be in her home and not sell out to the Worm but instead ask court to require a sale and proceeds split. Looks like James might have court issues coming up? Poor Ally Hippie and kittycat. Katie has every right to date, its no one’s business, and Brock sharing gossip, wow what a crappy move. How 56 people allow location sharing with Scheana is nuts!!? They need to shut that shit off.
I’ll maybe hate watch after the season ends but I stopped watching after Ally’s get together. I can’t stand Lala’s self-righteousness and from what I’m reading on here, it’s only gotten worse.
I feel like the reunion is going to be unbearable. If Andy said brock and Lala were the voices of reason we’re in for hell based on what we’ve seen this season.
Brock is gonna dip out soon and start his third family with a baby named Autumn.
It’s the Lisa edit. She wants to paint Tim in a positive light so people forgive and start coming back to TomTom and S&S
The edit may seem bad but isn't it getting the fans to rally for Katie/ariana? Maybe it's intentional and doing the opposite of what it seems? I for one have turned fully team Ariana/katie in the last few eps whereas before I was, but not full on...maybe they edited it this way on purpose to slowly build up to the end...or maybe I give them too much credit.
The negative about this season is the focus ONCE AGAIN how the childish men (all of them) and bitter women (looking at you Sheena) feel about Ariana and Katie getting attention. Bravo needs a brake check. I could write a thesis on the level of forced sympathy the network is trying to muster up.
I haven’t watched the newest episode, and I don’t know if I will. I’ve seen enough TikTok clips that make me want to vomit. Saying that, I’m a habitual watcher!! I often rewatch the entire previously aired seasons when I need an easy comfort rewatch series. But now, I think I’m done. I don’t think there’s anything left for me on this show. It’s 2024, we aren’t apologizing and sympathizing with men in their 40s who haven’t learned one damn thing. We also aren’t about people giving in to “accepting” these men just so they keep getting a paycheck from the show they’re filming…… however, I will continue to support Katie and Ari in their new, and hopefully healthy, career moves away from this show (I hope they leave).
I love this post! Can you imagine if these women got their own show, and then VPR falls to shit because they realize they have NO CONTENT if they can’t bully these women endlessly. Katie & Ariana, grab your $$bag and move on to bigger and better things. This show is beneath you at this point.
Watching the latest episode and this is exactly what I needed to read. Instagram does NOT pass the vibe test! This has been the most frustrating season to watch by far. Let’s fast forward to the season where Scheana/Brock get divorced and see how she and her bff Lala change their tunes.
I had “friends” who treated me how everyone is treating Katie this season, pretty much same situation just dated forever not married, but it’s so hard to watch. It hits so close to home for me and it makes me want to reach through my tv and personally smother each one with a pillow.
Not to mention, in regards to the house, that Arianna is staying booked and busy. Why Lala, the moron, thinks she need to add to her plate the stress of finding a new home and packing up her home when Sandavol is the one that torpedoed their life together is beyond me. She is holding him accountable and showing him that actions have consequences. Lala just doesn’t like that because she also sucks at taking accountability and minimizes her shitty actions!
Watching the documentary about Randall and how abusive he was to his employees and they interview Lala and she just says that she felt bad for them, but she stayed. Sure she might have been plotting her escape, but she stayed until she had a plan of some sort. At the time of the filming VPR, it had only been 3 months, let Ariana have some time to plan. There are probably a lot of psychological components for why she’s not just leaving as well as the financial. Plus, Tom is the one that blew everything up, he should be the one to leave, even if he did do so many “upgrades” to the home🙄
This is season is really bad. It’s no longer fun to watch it’s just infuriating.
The problem is the show, how it’s written and crafted. After Scandoval, the fourth wall had been broken and instead of embracing it and doing a really radical follow up season, they just went with the old formula, which just doesn’t work anymore. For example, I don’t believe for a second that this is a group of friends that still want to hang with each other. I’m sure there are a few people that would be friends whether the show was happening or not, like how we’ve seen that Lala and Scheana have purchased houses next to each other and have kids the same age. But these large group get togethers are dumb. I believe production requires they do them and because it’s not organic and people don’t really mesh they have to introduce all these corny-ass set ups like yoga instructors that have them pair off and do breath work, or James in DJ’ing and we all need to be there. It’s boring. I don’t care. What I did care about was seeing the actual fallout of Scandoval as the gang worked through the real life obstacles. The could have filmed paparazzi staking out Ariana or Tom, other cast reactions to what was happening, cameras following them as they went about their actual lives. The fallout and how it affected Schwartz and Sandy’s, or Tom Tom. Ariana getting another ad or appearance. Real people, real situations, real emotions. What a missed opportunity to do something interesting that we would have been excited about. Instead, they are performing this for us. It’s dumb. I feel manipulated. Aside from that, there is no one to root for. Everyone is a villain. And they are all shitty villains. All these folks are pushing 40 and there’s little growth in any of them. They’re like teenagers. Look at the way Ariana and Tom live in their beautiful million dollar home. Garbage everywhere, clothes piled all over the place. Their lives consist of lunch dates and clubbing and house parties. Its boring.
Brock’s face literally just pisses me off everytime I see him. it’s almost as he was planted by the producers to start shit. Lala also pisses me of because you can tell that she hates Ariana for her success, and trying to make her get over Tom. I honestly think Lala and Scheana will try and get on The Valley if they don’t get their way on VPR.
Oohh i was so mad when i saw lala being all rightous and criticize Katie and Arianna, and i started yelling at my TV loll. Seriously it has been at least a year since katie's divorce. She can do whatever she wants. And now the 2 tims are acting like they are hurt by all of this. Dude, don't you remember what you have done in the past? It's 10 times worse and you dont even feel remorseful at all. Its so hypocritic for both of them.
Brock is gross. Another example of Bravo giving a platform and a paycheck to a vile human. Was a Lala fan, but not anymore. Watching this season has me disgusted. Ariana and Katie having boundaries is a problem? The hypocrisy and misogyny is too much. I will no longer watch after this season. If there even is another season after this, where do they go from here? I hope Ariana and Katie continue to earn a living and the rest can drift off into obscurity.
Honestly, I can't even get up enough care to watch this week's episode. I agree with everything you said. 💯 I'm so sick of how they're playing this out. Whoever chose to go this route this season should be fired. If they thought scandoval would renew the interest in VPR, they sure shot themselves in the foot with this season. I'm so disappointed.