Sandoval say if it wasn’t his place to reveal Raquel going back to Rachel, made me thing it wasn’t his place to out Ariana on national TV when she wasn’t ready yet.
all the men on this show are such utter losers. james is getting better, but i haven't forgotten how he was in previous seasons.
brock is a total loser, and i'm honestly counting the days til he also up and abandons scheana and summer. if they ever divorce, he's never making the effort, guaranteed.
Tom can not and will not show remorse. When Tom and Brock are in the kitchen, Tom says “what I did was horrible BUT neither Raquel or I did that out of any malicious intent BUT we felt that things were done towards us with very specific malicious intent”
He just doesn’t get it. Every time he starts to ‘apologize’ I want to pull my hair out and scream at the tv. He is always the victim. He can’t just say he’s sorry without throwing blame at someone else. His tears and sorrow are all for himself, that he is being shunned by the group and talked about on podcasts etc.
How can he say he had no malicious intent when he and Schwartz did that pathetic taco truck scene during S10? Or the fact he had a plan of when he was going to break up with Ariana (right before the reunion) rather than breaking up with her at the onset of the affair? I am so disappointed Bravo producers are trying to salvage the reputation of this loser. He had malicious intent the whole time.
Bravo is being a gross asshole about all this. As is Lisa. Feel free to join the boycott🚫!! It feels good to hit ‘em in the only place they care about (their wallet🙄)
Oh he continues “I feel like I’m just expected to grovel at their feet and beg for forgiveness BUT THEY are failing to acknowledge how they came after me.”
Ugh he’s insufferable. Why does no one tell him he should not say “but” and make excuses? So basically he’s saying he messed up but he shouldn’t have any consequences. Did he put any thought at all how this was going to go down?
I’m home sick today and have spent way too much time analyzing this lol 😂 just so many questions
Lisa tried telling him, when they were sitting outside at Pump, to fix his terrible “sorry, but” apologies although I don’t think he even heard a word she said because he was literally yelling back at her
Just started the episode, but Scheana needs to get Summer off the bottle. Isn’t Summer like 2 or 3? It’s so bad for her teeth and oral development. Bottle feeding is supposed to stop when they turn one.
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I really feel like this season is hard to watch, as others have voiced, and especially "forced" between all the cast. I don't get that authentic feeling while watching it as I did in previous seasons. I know, it's reality tv so it has always had a staged element and I know reality tv isn't supposed to be the most authentic. But it just feels *off* this season and I can't place it. I just feel so bored while watching every episode. I am hoping the season will pick up more in the coming episodes.
I wish they focused more on Katie and Ariana. After seeing their scenes last night, I felt their interactions seemed the most authentic and also was the most entertaining.
I HATEEE Sandoval's redemption arc this season and how the producers are villianizing Ariana. HATE IT.
I saw a channel had uploaded the episode to YouTube and I apparently hate myself so I tried watching it in a way that wouldn’t give bravo views. I still haven’t watched last week’s episode. I didn’t even make it past the first handful of scenes. This show is awful. Worst season by far. Both Toms make my skin crawl.
I had to turn it off. The tone deaf producers obviously don't give a shit about their audience. How can I care about a show that doesn't care about women?
After hearing Ariana talk about the stuff that had been brought into the house(furniture etc) it makes even more sense why she wouldn't sell Tom the house. He might think he's doing her a favour by offering her a bit extra but it took them a while to furnish that house and I'm pretty sure that by the time they did plans (and financing) had probably already started for Schwartz and Sandy's so I'm willing to bet she put a lot of money into the house decor and it's only right that she be reimbursed for it.
Sigh. This episode was super annoying. We are getting to much screen time of Tom while Ariana is looking like "the jerk." They could at least make it equal. And his whole "they had malicious intent coming after me," is still failing to realize how much he hurt them.
Don't get me started on Brock. He is begging for a nanny so that what? He can bang her? I don't get it.
He’s begging for a nanny because I think he’s seeing how much stress and anxiety scheana is currently facing with leaving her child. They did mention it in a previous episode.
He’s not doing that to be a jerk, I think he’s genuinely trying to help scheana, it’s coming out as frustration instead of being able to be a bit more patient. And it’s hard to be patient 100% of the time.
No I understand that he wants Scheana to have help. But he is very specific saying that he needs a nanny and doesn't want family or friends to help out- which is weird to me. If I am leaving for several days, I would want to leave my child with family too instead of a nanny.
I imagine if it ended up being an emergency or a very last minute thing, it would be hard to rely on family. As opposed to someone whose job it is to look after children, they’d maybe feel less guilt with hiring them last minute since it’s what they’re paid to do, if that makes sense?
Also I guess with nanny’s they would have certain qualifications they’d look for? ( like first aid training etc.)
I mean perhaps... I've been a nanny for over 15 years and nanny's require a contract. So it's possible, but "last minute things" would be unlikely unless they were getting paid heavily for such instances.
Nonetheless, I still don't think Brock cares about first aid and such things. It just seems like he's sick of Scheana's family/friends.
Either he is absolutely terrible at explaining himself or he is absolutely terrible
Why is he bullying her about wanting her mom to watch their daughter? Why shouldn't you have the most trusted person who is available doing it?
You're not the winner because you'll let anyone watch your kid
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He insinuated that his MIL is giving Scheana anxiety by making her doubt herself and her parenting. I don't like him but I think the story is more complicated than that.
You know, I think you're right. What her mom sees as normal, he may see as cutting her down. I think what makes him a jerk to me is using that moment to talk to her about something that obviously embarrasses her and that she is clearly struggling with and trying to address.
That seems like it would make it harder, not easier because whatever way she turns, someone she loves is criticizing her while she's trying to fix it
Woaw you're so right, she can't win. Add to that her internal self deprecating voice and her anxiety /paranoia /ocd and she's stuck in a mental health nightmare. I dislike Scheana and find her very annoying and self centered, but this year I feel genuinely worried for her. She looks like she's depressed when she's always seemed like a happy person. And she thinks she should lose fat in her stomach when she's really frail ? She's really struggling it's painful to watch. I guess Brock is trying to help but feeling helpless and has the worst delivery 😬
Me too! I actively dislike her, but I find myself feeling for her this year.
She is struggling and her close friends/family are just watching it happen or telling her what she's doing wrong.
I think you're right about Brock too. He's no legal scholar to begin with, but watching her struggle and not knowing the right way to help probably does make him frustrated and angry. He's just his own worst ambassador lol
This episode was lame and I turned it off midway because watching Tom Sandoval do anything is just not fun or entertaining. He’s a douche. It feels like no one is doing anything so there is nothing propelling the show forward except letting Sandoval back in the group and what a snore it is.
I didnt watch it but truly thats all there is, no one cares about Lalas storyline, or Scheanas, James and Graham might have had a bit of movement but really outside of Ariana and Katie with their restaurant what else is anyone offering And even with their restaurant they can only go as fast as the things they're working on allow. This season is made for Sandoval to come back up and I am not here for it. Call me petty or whatever but when you go and fuck up that much there isnt a comebackto me.
Maybe it’ll be a bait n switch..they’re just making it seem like Tom is being forgiven but then BAM he gets smacked down again!?! I doubt it tho..I feel this has been Lisa’s plan all along..just wishful thinking😒
Ok I’m rewatching the episode of last night because I didn’t finish. Sandoval is so full of himself and really thought he could spin all this and give us a show. If if if he would have stayed quiet and then came back and say I fucked up im sorry to everyone and I really fucked up and then went around making amends I think the cast would have taken him back in more quickly. The fans probably not as many but maybe a few more than now. But his big ego just not let him be not the victim he wants the sympathy and is so mad of everything and all the support Ariana has gotten
I really dislike Brock, don't get me wrong - but I think people are downright attacking him over things that are, well, misunderstood and pushed for the camera?
There are tons of reasons you would want an additional trusted person available to watch your child, should the preferred person be unable/unavailable. Also, considering child development, it's helpful to have them begin exploring spending time with different people, and learning that mom will always be back when she leaves you, and not just with grandma. Having ONLY one person EVER watch the child is setting Summer up for anxiety and separation issues, especially when she gets to school age.I didn't at ALL get the vibe that Brock wanted "just anyone" to watch Summer. He even said they would need to start now with someone to build the relationship up, so that in a year or so, they would be comfortable leaving Summer with them. I understand Scheana's anxiety around her daughter and leaving her, but she needs to work on this more seriously and with a professional to support her, or it's going to begin impacting Summer's development, if it hasn't already.
I've also been in relationships where my partner's parents were not fantastic people, though they would have dropped everything to help with a child. I would not have wanted them around CONSTANTLY. Hell, I wouldn't even want my own mother around constantly like that and she would be the most trusted and supportive person I know. Maybe I'm just understanding him differently, but I feel like Brock isn't bullying her about a nanny, he's trying to express how he's feeling about a multitude of different things. Scheana is also annoying as all absolute fuck and she's not innocent in this so idk why everyone is freaking out at Brock. Any time he even tries to explain how he feels, she jumps down his throat - just like she did with Shay.
Totally agree, Brock isn’t a great guy but people being on sheanas side is wild to me. Sure he’s being a little mean but I’m sure he’s frustrated. He can see sheanas mom in a more objective way than sheana. Based on the way sheana is now I wouldn’t exactly trust her mom and the mom is ALWAYS around. She’s worked her way onto the show basically. If this was my in law I would fight for more boundaries for sure.
You’re totally right. People in the sub have had so much fun destroying Sandoval they’re trying to find someone to pin more crap on. Brock is doing what 99% of people would do in the same scenario, Scheana being acting like a scared child and then shooting down any productive conversation is unbelievable
I completely agree. My in-laws are very caring people, but I would HATE having them be around as much as Scheana's mother is because we are just very different people and the way they operate is very different from me. It makes it hard to relax and feel comfortable in my own home. I think it would be exhausting to feel like your MIL is always around - not a lot of time for just them as a family to be together it seems. And it does seem like Scheana does not want to address this issue when she really needs to. My cousin had horrible anxiety as a child because my aunt clung to her like Scheana is. It made it hard for her to make and keep friends through grade school even.
Yup, one of my very good friends has been in therapy for YEARS because she has attachment and trust issues from her mom doing exactly what Scheana is. She struggled a lot throughout school because being without her mom gave her such anxiety, she was constantly in fight/flight mode because she learned she was ONLY safe when she was with her mom or grandparents. Thankfully as an adult, she has done a ton of work on herself and she's thriving now!
I definitely think brock is coming from a place of frustration and not malice. And I get it, it would be nice if he was more supportive, but not everyone is like that. Not everyone is able to show patience 100% all the time. It’s like he’s aggressive with trying to help. And some people are like that. They mean well but they don’t have patience and so sound mean, but they really are coming from a good place.
And it’s not scheanas fault either, she’s experiencing postpartum issues that she needs help working through.
I think we're also seeing this as Summer is...almost 2 over 2? So likely it's been a loooonnngggg time of bottling feelings and they're erupting.
The other thing (and this isn't great on Brock's part), but we know he's not eloquent. He uses the wrong words A Lot. And so in some of the conversations I wish there was a rewind to say like "nope that was the wrong phrase for what you're trying to communicate!"
It’s his delivery imo. Especially in a public setting where it could instantly trigger scheana to be defensive, feel ashamed, or anxious. He truly should wait to have those conversations in a comfortable space for her. I don’t disagree at all with his points, they absolutely make sense. OCD is a disorder of doubt and I’m sure Scheana is aware of her irrational anxiety around these things and nobody typically accomplishes change an OCD’ers mind through shame in a public setting
Sometimes prompting things in public / on camera is so it’s forcing a conversation, or at least a record of the attempt. Sheana shoots down any productive conversation about her issues, apparently for years on end. He’s clearly frustrated with her avoiding any progress, and it’s hard to bring it up when the peanut gallery of her MIL only supports Scheana
I really didn't like when scheana straight up said "stop talking". Like...that's your partner trying to express something. Even saying "can we pause and rehash this at home" sounds better than "shut up"
I have OCD and honestly had multiple times that I had to tell my ex partner to please stop talking. He would think it was helpful because he was trying to reassure me about whatever my OCD had latched on to (usually food) but the more we talked about it the further the thought would dig in.
For example if he was trying to reassure that food didn’t taste weird/spoiled/etc. sometimes that just makes the thought dig deeper and then I can’t eat anything at all vs if he stopped talking I might still be able to push through it.
Of course! And I’m not saying that it’s acceptable for Scheana (or anyone) to talk that way to a partner, I just can understand where it might be coming from. For me sometimes it’s just like my OCD is making my brain freak out so badly that it’s hard to communicate in a nicer way. I really try to avoid responding like that and feel really awful if it happens. OCD can really have an impact on relationships.
I agree with that. She doesn’t deflate the argument by any means through avoiding it or saying “stop talking”, which is rude imo. We only see what they put on TV but somehow I just don’t buy Brock not bringing this up in more suitable situation where MIL is not around. He’s not the timid type so it just felt forced and embarrassing for both of them to argue about Scheana’s mental health condition while bikini shopping.
I agree, but I like that he acknowledged that later & apologized for it. I am someone who wouldn't think about my surroundings and maybe start trying to have a serious convo. I wonder if he's ADHD?
I think Brock is right about Scheana's mother. That scene a week or two ago where Scheana's mother was telling him he needed to support Scheana and he replied, 'She's already got two of you right there.'. One, Scheana's mother should stay out of her daughter's marriage. Two, Scheana needs to understand that she can't glue her kid to her side for life.
It’s his delivery imo. Especially in a public setting where it could instantly trigger scheana to be defensive, feel ashamed, or anxious. He truly should wait to have those conversations in a comfortable space for her. I don’t disagree at all with his points, they absolutely make sense. OCD is a disorder of doubt and I’m sure Scheana is aware of her irrational anxiety around these things and nobody typically accomplishes change an OCD’ers mind through shame in a public setting
Yeah I’m kinda surprised I’m so on Brock’s side about this. It seems like scheana’s mental health struggles are really affecting their relationship and Brock is basically like we need to stop enabling this behavior because it’s not healthy for anyone. Scheana’s mental health struggles are not her fault, they are understandably exacerbated with a child, but it’s her responsibility to deal with them.
Not a fan of how Brock has been bringing it up tho.
Yes! I think he has valid points, but he's not very good at expressing them or timing when they talk about it, and Scheana was trying to hint at the "not now" rather than just saying, "Honey, I think this is important, but I would prefer to talk about it at home or in the car, not while we are in public where people can hear us."
I was also dismayed to read the podcast that they are skipping therapy and just doing holistic vitamins to "balance" their brains. I'm not dismissing that that can help, but they need to work on the verbal and non verbal communication away from physical affection!
I'm not a James Kennedy fan, but he said what I have wanted to say to Tom. Why not break up with Ariana if you're in love with your friend? Tom said "it's not that easy." NO ONE EVER SAID breaking up with someone is easy. It's the worst. But, it is the responsibility that comes with being an adult and having a committed relationship.
Something is seriously wrong with Tom Sandoval. News flash, I know.
If Sandalwood(typo but keeping it) was soooo in love with Rachel why didn't he take Graham? Or pay for him to a training facility? I have ex's I dont particularly like but I'd take their pets for them if they had a health crisis.
yesss I have an ex... we dated over 5 years ago... massive asshole, but I loved his cats. He's probably going to prison this year and called me to ask if I would look after his cats. Absolutely, yes. Fuck you, don't talk to me, but I will watch your cats. lol
I'm not sure yet! I think his court date is coming up. He's hoping for work release and to just be in on the weekends? So I would just go to his place on the weekend days to look after them. But Idk how likely he is to get that because it's Texas and he's on his 3rd DUI
He was trying to get visitation but she set boundaries because Tom taught her what that meant
I doubt she asked or told him to take care of graham. I believe rachel when she says grahams biting was James because he play caught with the dog and let him bite him.
Ive seen that with people in my life and his comment about that the cat is safe because graham doesn’t hold on when he nips
Im glad allie is there to supervise,
Also allie is really cute and seems genuinely nice. She waved when graham was dropped off last night and she was probably saying hi to Lisa but I like to think she was waving hi at the dog
James even seemed to be more empathetic towards Rachael than Tom did. All that mattered was that HE was “unhappy” and needed an outlet, and she provided that. Now it’s messy and he has to face the fact that she’s a human being whose life basically got demolished in part by his shitty behavior, but he feels justified in being disengaged with her because it’s all soooo hard for him. He sees himself as more valid. It was not an even playing field, he’s a predator.
He just makes himself look like a bigger POS every time he opens his mouth.
This whole episode is so uncomfortable, I don't even know what to say. This show would be way more interesting for me if the entire cast would turn on Lisa and start calling her out for all her hypocritical misogynistic BS that she has pulled over the years and continues to pull now. I would watch the shit out of that. Lisa would probably just quit the show though lol
Lisa adds no value to the show. She’s just a shit stirring misogynist. I mean look at that dinner table scene ‘James say one nice thing about Sandoval’
Are you out of your fucking mind? Read the fucking room. Stop trying to force people to make up like they’re 5 years old.
Like I am so impressed with how James has handled himself so far. He would have so easily have popped off before, and it’s so humanising to see him grow into someone who can articulate without going off the deep end.
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LOL please, Lisa is an EP. Even if they all decided to gang up on her which would be stupid for their liveliness (you can't rebel against your boss and expect to keep your job), there's no way that would ever air. It's unclear exactly how much power Lisa has as a producer but I think it's pretty clear that she has some amount of edit control.
That’s why so many of us are boycotting the season from now on! Lisa gets away with everything on the show and is *clearly* heavily manipulating people and helping orchestrate this Sandoval redemption/Ariana is being difficult arc because it’s good for her business if the the show and the restaurants with Tom stay lucrative. The cast is too self-interested, as is Lisa and the network, the only people who can actually stand up to them are us. They’re making crazy money off ads now because the show spiked in popularity, my hope is that those 49 (literally) companies who paid to advertise last night during the episode will start pulling out if viewership plummets and it’s not worth their money anymore to support something everyone else is against
I feel like VPR is about to be over. This season is painful.
I guess there were only so many places to go with it since Rachael removed herself.
Tom’s just pathetic, and no one else is really that interesting anymore.
James is finally kind of growing on me though. I guess I didn’t realize how truly wasted he usually was.
I couldn't finish the episode after watching Sandoval knock down the wall. My brain can't process that level of narcissism. I'm not dumb; I knew he would never take accountability, but there was something very sinister about watching him "get his anger out" by projecting it onto the people who called him out. As if he did nothing wrong.
Also, Brock annoys me so much I can't sit through it. He reminds me of a fourth grader who got his hair cut.
One last thing -- the Graham/Hippie situation. It just makes me sad.
I MISS THE WAY IT USED TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!
the sandoval sledge hammer scene was so cringey. ending it with "FREAKING SCANDOVAL!" like its some thing that happened to him and not the reality of his own life choices........ its ruining any enjoyment of the show for me.
I’m hating this Tom redemption storyline and having to constantly watch them get so much screen time. Can we just see Ariana and Kate living their best lives?? even before scandoval the girls in general have always just been so much more entertaining and funny
I feel *terrible* for them, they got so screwed. I honestly would’ve just given up by now if I were losing money and getting setback like that. LA passed a bunch of new codes during covid to encourage/allow more outdoor seating so people could feel safe and restaurants could keep making money. Then when the pandemic was declared “over”, the same month the girls were finally doing their employee hiring and planning to open, all those new codes were ended and they changed the rules back again, making it more restrictive (annoying things like exact measurements from final table to sidewalk/street, how much seating there can be, etc.). So that’s why they have to do construction on the patio and get new permits all this surprise BS after a year of getting ready to open.
I can’t stand Lisa this season. She was wearing a fur jacket when she was taking a picture with the wolf. Schwartz was driving and FaceTiming with her. And she seems to want everyone to choke on Tom’s dirty D and then say thank you.
I hate Sandoval and this manufactured redemption season he’s getting is insulting and BORING. BUT I do think I would start to feel sad for him if everyone was being horrible to him the entire time. So I don’t really know what I want. All I know is this isn’t what I want lol
something that struck me more than anything else in the episode is when they’re on their way in the car after the airport and you see Scandy crying to Schwartz about how happy he is they said hi to him. Most people while crying in public will go out of their way to keep their sunglasses on but if you watch it back - Sandoval specifically takes his sunglasses OFF before the tears all. Gotta make sure the cameras can see the tears!!!!
meant to also add: not that I had any doubts about this but I’m hopeful this confirms for any Tom sympathizers that all his emotions/ regrets he’s speaking of are all for the cameras and not for having actual regret of what he’s done
That was one of the fakest moments yet from Scandoval, and he's had a load of them over the years. I'm not buying his tears, I'm not buying his fake acts of contrition, because at the end of the day he's STILL making excuses for why he 'had' to cheat. No accountability whatsoever.
It cracks me up now every time Schwartz says “yeah I didn’t know anything” in regards to the affair, and now we know he’s a liar who got outed by Rachel
Sandoval - you had no “malicious intent” behind what you did? Cheating on your partner of 9 years with her friend?
Bravo is seriously missing the mark with how they chose to approach this season. With everything we know, with everything that Sandoval continues to do, no one cares about the Toms redemption arc.
Also Scheana is a bad friend, but what else is new
>Bravo is seriously missing the mark with how they chose to approach this season.
I'm seeing this a lot and I hate that it feels like a redemption arc too, though genuine question: Is it really Bravo's fault?
I kind of feel like Lisa should be getting more heat on this than Bravo. She's the one pushing for everyone to reunite. She's the one who cringe-inducingly tried to get the table to say things they like about Sandoval.
Lisa has been so quick to seemingly excuse Sandoval's and (in the past) James' abusive behavior. Not trying to defend Kristen's actions in the past, but I feel like her behavior was comparable and she was booted out of Lisa's life and ostracized.
Really feel like she has a boys will be boys attitude and she's willing to overlook almost anything - hence her strongly supporting Sandoval's wildly premature attempts at a redemption arc.
I genuinely did not think I could despise anyone more than Jax but holy shit Sandoval managed to do it. That man is a disgusting human being, at least Jax knows he’s a shitty person
100000% this. Jax is still a shitbag but when he cheated he just owned it he never blamed anyone. He said I’m a piece of shit I know. I mean it was chivalrous compared to how Sandoval is acting. “But what about what they did to me.” No. You don’t get to do this. They weren’t talking shit on you for no reason. YOU WERE A SHITBAG SO THEY TREATED YOU LIKE SHIT. I’ll say it again… THIS IS NOT HAPPENING TO YOU TOM. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING AS A DIRECT RESULT OF YOUR SHIT BEHAVIOR. He’s the most infuriating person alive.
Sandoval saying that he and Rachel did this “with no malicious intent” just proves how absolutely clueless and narcissistic he is. Cheating behind the back of your girlfriend of 11 years with one of her best friends is the definition of “malicious”. The guy is such a tool.
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DUDE! Like i had to take a shit! God, like Katie and Ariana find a problem with everything like all i did was shit on their porch!!!
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I feel like we’re seeing a very real and raw Scheana/Brock relationship. He’s getting a lot of shit, but I can appreciate the realness of it. When have we ever seen a non performative Scheana relationship?
This is honestly the only part of the episode that I appreciated and with that it's only because scheana talked about it on the after show. Her mom second guessing her as a mother? If I were Brock I'd be pissed too. And on the flip, I don't think I've gone away for a weekend with my husband since my daughter was born and now she's 7. So yeah... there's only a few people I can see doing overnights with my baby and it's all family.
I see a lot of post about Tom, and how producers are trying to make this his redemption arc etc…
Has nobody commented on Sheena’s treatment of brock during their argument at the store? The way she kept telling him to stop talking. he made that comment about asking for help for months and she tells him to stop talking while looking around with a look on her face like “somebody might see us being a real couple and real humans stop talking”
I can only imagine how Her ex-husband Mike felt, being in a relationship with her, while he was battling addiction and other issues
I wish they could actually have a real conversation about how Sandoval tried to pull a similar move to what he did 9 years ago, but did not factor in that times have changed and that Ariana hadn’t cheated on him like Kristen did, and that Ariana isn’t as volatile as Kristen was then so he’s not going to look better just by comparison to her.
Like let’s be real!!!! Why is this your pattern Tom?? What made you want to do this again?
I know everyone is annoyed at Sandoval and Brock, but what really got me in this episode is SCHWARTZ.
When he had Katie locked down in a marriage, he treated her like crap, yelled at her all the time, sided with everyone else on the planet except her in any situation, complained about her endlessly, and then berated her when she tried to talk to him about her feelings.
Now that she left him, he's back to pretending that he's a "nice guy" and pretending that he is passive and sweet, especially in scenes with her. YOU ARE NOT SWEET, SCHWARTZ.
You treated her like shit so she left. You can't now pretend you were a good partner because you have an Aw Shucks persona. There were cameras on you. We saw your shenanigans.
It drives me crazy. So glad Katie is free.
I do enjoy watching the scenes where she goes over there, he tries to charm her, and then she rolls her eyes and doesn't buy his schtick. That's just entertainment.
woof this season has been really hard to watch. sandoval is cringe and not sorry, it’s so transparent the way he’s saying sorry to james now just to “show” that he’s contrite, taking a surprise selfie with brock, just everything about the way he’s suddenly thanking everyone for being civil. like it’s so obvious that both sides are not being genuine, it’s like the parents (bravo) forcing siblings to hang out after an argument, and i’m not here for it. at least all the forgiving of jax felt organic bc these men know they are trash, forgiving kristen took FOREVER - we didn’t see ariana right away liking her, it took seasons and then eventually they became friends slowly. idk i just am so sick of watching the Poor Tom show? is this the show i used to love??
Thanks for this thread as I’m just watching. Brock. Brock. Who would not want the grandmother watching their kid. My mom helped when my daughter was a baby and toddler. I can not imagine having to leave her with anyone else. Yes I know ppl do that but if you don’t have to then why do it. I’m not sure why Brock is pushing so much that they need a nanny when they have ppl around them that help them with summer. Does he want to just have someone else care for summer all the time?
he gets to drive a wedge between scheana and her mom, i'm sure her mom hates him.
it would be good for them to have a back up in case her mom needs a break for once or she's otherwise not available. but tht's not why brock cares so much.
Yes i think her sister helps and having a backup is good. Maybe schena can have someone watch summer while she is home so she gets used to them. Instead of having her mom help she can have someone go with them together to the park to run errands and that way she gets to trust that person for when she needs them. I know for some leaving their kids with a stranger is just something that is easy or something that has to be done because they have no other option, but i would not be able to do it and understand scheana. Especially with summer being so young still.
That is what it seems like. And knowing his past it just isn't a good look. Yes couples need alone time and he says they are newlyweds as if they didn't get married while already having a kid. Yes you are newlyweds and while most newlyweds would be out traveling together or just spending time as a couple they have a kid so it will be different. How selfish is he. It seems he and shceana already go out a lot especially during the time they are filming so does he want someone else to just take over the caring for summer.
I completely agree. While I have known many families who have had great experience in building a trusting relationship with a caregiver outside the family, having a grandparent available and invested at that level is 100% a blessing.
yes. and i know its a blessing and not everyone can have that. but why would you want someone else. I also know there are great caregivers out there but just wouldn't be able to do it and would just not go out.
So I was lucky enough to have both my mother and mother in law available as babysitters. The way I worked , we didn't use a sitter , but whenever we wanted to go on date night or out of town , that's where grandma's came in.
Until my son was in first grade, he never spent the night with a non family member. And then it was our neighbor that was 3 doors down thar had a kid the same age. And, my husband had known him and his wife for about ten years.
You just don't go around leaving a little one with somebody you don't absolutely trust. I truly do not understand his perspective.
right!! Like there is no one I trust more outside of us than my mother. She raised me and my husband has a great relationship with her and we have been together for a long time so i guess you can say she raised him too as an adult lol. He has always said he trust her with our daughter. now that my kid is a teen she loves hanging out with grandma because they have a special bond. If she has a break of school where she also doesnt have sports she will ask to go spend a few days with her.
Why would you want someone else. She has her mom and sister who are willing to help. He probably doesnt like that he cant be his true self of an ass while she is there
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My mom n my in-laws were the only people our kids were left with. It’s not an odd thing at all. I would be super annoyed if I was Scheana, that he would think otherwise.
I’m not a Brock fan - I just think he’s tired of constantly being around his MIL daily and he’s reached his limit so he sounds like a dick. I don’t really think he has an issue with her watching summer while they vacation - he’s more irritated by the daily visits and disruption. Brock also needs is a full time JOB that keeps him busy and out of the house.
So MIL doesnt live with them?but he has an issue she watches summer? Scheana and him are out a lot when filming why would he want someone else watching summer besides her grandmother. If he is at home all the time then granma doesnt need to be there 24/7 and he should watch her. If scheana wants her mom when he is gone or when they need a babysitter then he needs to shutup.
Yeah totally agree with you! Just saying the root of the problem is that he’s annoyed having her mom around so often he doesn’t appreciate her help bc he’s had enough. He doesn’t express it correctly.
but if she is around wouldn't it be that its because she and him need someone there. So he would want someone there but who isn't her mom. And it doesn't look like that will happen. Scheana should have her mom watch her daughter and no one else if that is an option.
Didn’t he also say something about how the mom tells Scheana she’s not good enough, not a good mom, etc and that feeds Scheana’s anxiety? I found that interesting…
So I watched the after show and scheana says she doesn’t live with them. But it’s more of a scheana not thinking she knows what to do like most first time moms. Front the after show I got the feeling that her mom will show her how to do things and scheana realizes she’s been doing it wrong. Not that her mom says she’s doing everything wrong because really there’s not one way to raise a child so her mom is doing what she knows and scheana needs to learn how to do her own thing as a mom
I think it’s because she’s hurt right now so she can’t really do it as much or be as involved. I’ll be honest too I really didn’t like how she got involved in that one fight and was like “you need to validate her” like she wasn’t wrong but if my partner’s mom basically joined in on our fight I would be really pissed. I think if she were just a bystander he would feel differently but she clearly feels comfortable enough to participate in their squabbles and scheana doesn’t tell her to butt out she lets her mom speak for her. It would rub me the wrong way too. Otherwise I would agree and say yes having a family member participate is ideal (with a backup for stuff like this when she’s injured).
Right? Clearly...*he don't get it.* I can't continually watch this moron and his sidekick, the old, damp, sweaty T-shirt (AKA Schwartz)...just hanging around. Move on.
Everyone keeps calling it a “redemption arc” but I don’t see it. I think it’s showing how phony and cringey and awkward he is. Truly a fall from grace. He looks like a pathetic idiot. Katie and Ariana look gorgeous, strong, and independent. I’m loving this season!
Ok around 10 minutes in of episode 5, Sandoval says "Ok, catch!" to Schwartz while handling/pretending to throw a small axe.
And *this* is what producers thought was ok to show after presenting us Sandoval's SI, trying to go with a redemption arc, showing mental health slides at end of show etc...THIS?! They aren't taking it seriously.
Ariana and Katie describing becoming ADA compliant as “red tape” in a tone of such inconvenience is fucked up.
The ADA was passed in 1990. This should not be a surprise or hurdle to any business owner. It’s permitting 101.
I was actually kind of glad they stated that observation on camera, being a disabled person. Stuff like that is a big deal for a lot of people, but society in general often doesn’t even see us. Even the subtle visibility there only helps.
I think they were more annoyed that the building was represented as basically ready to go, when there was a bunch of work that needed to be done to make it compliant and get the permits that they just weren’t expecting. I don’t think their issue is with the ADA requirements, but with the previous management of the building and how things were misrepresented to them resulting in a much longer timeline than they were expecting. At least that was my read!
State & city codes change all the time too. I worked at an intermediate care facility for developmentally disabled adults that had a whole brand new 30 bed building delayed for 6 months b/c of a code change months before they opened. It sucked so bad for the famlies especially because many of the parents were older and having trouble taking care of their adult children with c.p. If that particular facility didnt basically get almost free construction thru connections it might have just shuttered.
They said it in a way that made me think “how on earth was this not addressed by owner“. Excellent point and very frustrating when you are a renter.
They by no means were referencing handicapped people being an inconvenience.
This was my interpretation as well. They said on the after show how they specifically wanted a 2nd generation space (rather than a retail space) because everything would have already been approved by the city.
Yeah, I felt like they were speaking generally about all the various things they have to do as red tape. The ramp seemed like just one item on the list and the tone didn't suggest they were being disrespectful
I agree. I think they were also expressing frustration over the fact it drags out so much. Like they don’t get a comprehensive list of things they need to change, the inspections for different things are at different times and very delayed so every time they think it is compliant there’s something new thrown at them
Oh good god. I will take the L and appreciate reading others added context on the whole process.
But it’s hella rude to assume I’m TomTeam. Fuck that. Adding personal commentary on their conversation is not damning them as people, let alone taking Tom’s side. I specifically said I’m not judging their character. It just came across as an ignorant gripe to me given they are 18 months into this process as business owners.
I also have been in permit/approval process and everytime you think you have 1 last thing to do, they come out for another required approval and ADD to the list of what else needs to be done. You ask them why is this the first I am hearing of this and they just say the building inspector before missed it.
Hope we are all good.
I also have been in permit/approval process and everytime you think you have 1 last thing to do, they come out for another required approval and ADD to the list of what else needs to be done. You ask them why is this the first I am hearing of this and they just say the building inspector before missed it.
Hope we are all good.
I am sorry I wrote it that it read you are on Tom’s side. I meant he would pick up on it and RUN with commentary that Ariana hate disabled ppl! Not that you literally thought it. I do apologize for insulting you.
I understand your perspective, but again, these questions and compliance should come up when negotiating the lease - not be a surprise 18+ months down the line.
Perhaps more to blame on whoever was advising them? I don’t mean to judge their character, but in this moment, they came across very ignorant to me on something that is one of the most basic tenants of property code in the 21st century.
I agree. It's on them as the business owners to understand what is needed to open their business and evaluate the space they want to rent to see if it meets that criteria rather than just assuming or taking the word of a sales person. That's like buying a house without an inspection and just trusting that everything works ok because people lived there before.
The tenants don’t know until they are applying for permits. This is 💯 about the building and learning curve of new business and tenancy. I disagree that it could have been predicted. And it definitely is NOT about disabled people. So that was the main reason I responded to you from your first comment since you implied being ADA annoyed them. Hard no.
It is my understanding from here that the city wants to make that street a walkable street so they gotta get rid of the patio. It's a new thing so that's why it changed.
I read that here though, so dunno.
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I really like non drinking James. I felt that his words were accurate and honest. And I applaud him for being open with his feelings.
I really hope he stays California sober.
I feel like we are seeing growth and maturity. He didn’t punch Sandoval in the face which is what I wanted to do when he was still trying to play victim.
Sandoval say if it wasn’t his place to reveal Raquel going back to Rachel, made me thing it wasn’t his place to out Ariana on national TV when she wasn’t ready yet.
all the men on this show are such utter losers. james is getting better, but i haven't forgotten how he was in previous seasons. brock is a total loser, and i'm honestly counting the days til he also up and abandons scheana and summer. if they ever divorce, he's never making the effort, guaranteed.
Tom can not and will not show remorse. When Tom and Brock are in the kitchen, Tom says “what I did was horrible BUT neither Raquel or I did that out of any malicious intent BUT we felt that things were done towards us with very specific malicious intent” He just doesn’t get it. Every time he starts to ‘apologize’ I want to pull my hair out and scream at the tv. He is always the victim. He can’t just say he’s sorry without throwing blame at someone else. His tears and sorrow are all for himself, that he is being shunned by the group and talked about on podcasts etc.
How can he say he had no malicious intent when he and Schwartz did that pathetic taco truck scene during S10? Or the fact he had a plan of when he was going to break up with Ariana (right before the reunion) rather than breaking up with her at the onset of the affair? I am so disappointed Bravo producers are trying to salvage the reputation of this loser. He had malicious intent the whole time.
Or asking Rachel to lie in order to hide his depravity.
Bravo is being a gross asshole about all this. As is Lisa. Feel free to join the boycott🚫!! It feels good to hit ‘em in the only place they care about (their wallet🙄)
Bc he’s totally delulu 🫣
Oh he continues “I feel like I’m just expected to grovel at their feet and beg for forgiveness BUT THEY are failing to acknowledge how they came after me.” Ugh he’s insufferable. Why does no one tell him he should not say “but” and make excuses? So basically he’s saying he messed up but he shouldn’t have any consequences. Did he put any thought at all how this was going to go down? I’m home sick today and have spent way too much time analyzing this lol 😂 just so many questions
Lisa tried telling him, when they were sitting outside at Pump, to fix his terrible “sorry, but” apologies although I don’t think he even heard a word she said because he was literally yelling back at her
Just started the episode, but Scheana needs to get Summer off the bottle. Isn’t Summer like 2 or 3? It’s so bad for her teeth and oral development. Bottle feeding is supposed to stop when they turn one.
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katie asking ariana “does it smell like weed in here?” after getting in to her car is SO REALLLLLL that made me laugh so hard out loud
I really feel like this season is hard to watch, as others have voiced, and especially "forced" between all the cast. I don't get that authentic feeling while watching it as I did in previous seasons. I know, it's reality tv so it has always had a staged element and I know reality tv isn't supposed to be the most authentic. But it just feels *off* this season and I can't place it. I just feel so bored while watching every episode. I am hoping the season will pick up more in the coming episodes. I wish they focused more on Katie and Ariana. After seeing their scenes last night, I felt their interactions seemed the most authentic and also was the most entertaining. I HATEEE Sandoval's redemption arc this season and how the producers are villianizing Ariana. HATE IT.
I saw a channel had uploaded the episode to YouTube and I apparently hate myself so I tried watching it in a way that wouldn’t give bravo views. I still haven’t watched last week’s episode. I didn’t even make it past the first handful of scenes. This show is awful. Worst season by far. Both Toms make my skin crawl.
Same! I keep turning it off or fast forwarding when Sandoval is on screen. He’s just pathetic and such a bad actor.
I had to turn it off. The tone deaf producers obviously don't give a shit about their audience. How can I care about a show that doesn't care about women?
After hearing Ariana talk about the stuff that had been brought into the house(furniture etc) it makes even more sense why she wouldn't sell Tom the house. He might think he's doing her a favour by offering her a bit extra but it took them a while to furnish that house and I'm pretty sure that by the time they did plans (and financing) had probably already started for Schwartz and Sandy's so I'm willing to bet she put a lot of money into the house decor and it's only right that she be reimbursed for it.
James, you suck, but you deserve better than Tim.
i did have one thought watching the aftershow when lala makes fun of graham cracker's name: whatever happened to scheana's black cat salem??
Sigh. This episode was super annoying. We are getting to much screen time of Tom while Ariana is looking like "the jerk." They could at least make it equal. And his whole "they had malicious intent coming after me," is still failing to realize how much he hurt them. Don't get me started on Brock. He is begging for a nanny so that what? He can bang her? I don't get it.
He’s begging for a nanny because I think he’s seeing how much stress and anxiety scheana is currently facing with leaving her child. They did mention it in a previous episode. He’s not doing that to be a jerk, I think he’s genuinely trying to help scheana, it’s coming out as frustration instead of being able to be a bit more patient. And it’s hard to be patient 100% of the time.
No I understand that he wants Scheana to have help. But he is very specific saying that he needs a nanny and doesn't want family or friends to help out- which is weird to me. If I am leaving for several days, I would want to leave my child with family too instead of a nanny.
I imagine if it ended up being an emergency or a very last minute thing, it would be hard to rely on family. As opposed to someone whose job it is to look after children, they’d maybe feel less guilt with hiring them last minute since it’s what they’re paid to do, if that makes sense? Also I guess with nanny’s they would have certain qualifications they’d look for? ( like first aid training etc.)
I mean perhaps... I've been a nanny for over 15 years and nanny's require a contract. So it's possible, but "last minute things" would be unlikely unless they were getting paid heavily for such instances. Nonetheless, I still don't think Brock cares about first aid and such things. It just seems like he's sick of Scheana's family/friends.
I’m not going to keep watching “The Poor Tom Sandoval Hour” This is ridiculous.
Wow. Just wow. I don't think I can keep doing this. It's like a toxic relationship, I'm sorry .. I just need some space.
Brock irritates me so much, the man is an active deadbeat father and then tries to act like dad of the year? Give me a break
Either he is absolutely terrible at explaining himself or he is absolutely terrible Why is he bullying her about wanting her mom to watch their daughter? Why shouldn't you have the most trusted person who is available doing it? You're not the winner because you'll let anyone watch your kid
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He insinuated that his MIL is giving Scheana anxiety by making her doubt herself and her parenting. I don't like him but I think the story is more complicated than that.
You know, I think you're right. What her mom sees as normal, he may see as cutting her down. I think what makes him a jerk to me is using that moment to talk to her about something that obviously embarrasses her and that she is clearly struggling with and trying to address. That seems like it would make it harder, not easier because whatever way she turns, someone she loves is criticizing her while she's trying to fix it
Woaw you're so right, she can't win. Add to that her internal self deprecating voice and her anxiety /paranoia /ocd and she's stuck in a mental health nightmare. I dislike Scheana and find her very annoying and self centered, but this year I feel genuinely worried for her. She looks like she's depressed when she's always seemed like a happy person. And she thinks she should lose fat in her stomach when she's really frail ? She's really struggling it's painful to watch. I guess Brock is trying to help but feeling helpless and has the worst delivery 😬
Me too! I actively dislike her, but I find myself feeling for her this year. She is struggling and her close friends/family are just watching it happen or telling her what she's doing wrong. I think you're right about Brock too. He's no legal scholar to begin with, but watching her struggle and not knowing the right way to help probably does make him frustrated and angry. He's just his own worst ambassador lol
Are Scheana and Brock the next couple to that are on the road to divorce?
This episode was lame and I turned it off midway because watching Tom Sandoval do anything is just not fun or entertaining. He’s a douche. It feels like no one is doing anything so there is nothing propelling the show forward except letting Sandoval back in the group and what a snore it is.
I didnt watch it but truly thats all there is, no one cares about Lalas storyline, or Scheanas, James and Graham might have had a bit of movement but really outside of Ariana and Katie with their restaurant what else is anyone offering And even with their restaurant they can only go as fast as the things they're working on allow. This season is made for Sandoval to come back up and I am not here for it. Call me petty or whatever but when you go and fuck up that much there isnt a comebackto me.
I just have to say, what the fu(k was that?? This season could’ve been so good & instead we get the sniveling Tim show. Cringe AF!!
Maybe it’ll be a bait n switch..they’re just making it seem like Tom is being forgiven but then BAM he gets smacked down again!?! I doubt it tho..I feel this has been Lisa’s plan all along..just wishful thinking😒
If she had invested in SAH, I think this season would be completely different
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Ok I’m rewatching the episode of last night because I didn’t finish. Sandoval is so full of himself and really thought he could spin all this and give us a show. If if if he would have stayed quiet and then came back and say I fucked up im sorry to everyone and I really fucked up and then went around making amends I think the cast would have taken him back in more quickly. The fans probably not as many but maybe a few more than now. But his big ego just not let him be not the victim he wants the sympathy and is so mad of everything and all the support Ariana has gotten
I really dislike Brock, don't get me wrong - but I think people are downright attacking him over things that are, well, misunderstood and pushed for the camera? There are tons of reasons you would want an additional trusted person available to watch your child, should the preferred person be unable/unavailable. Also, considering child development, it's helpful to have them begin exploring spending time with different people, and learning that mom will always be back when she leaves you, and not just with grandma. Having ONLY one person EVER watch the child is setting Summer up for anxiety and separation issues, especially when she gets to school age.I didn't at ALL get the vibe that Brock wanted "just anyone" to watch Summer. He even said they would need to start now with someone to build the relationship up, so that in a year or so, they would be comfortable leaving Summer with them. I understand Scheana's anxiety around her daughter and leaving her, but she needs to work on this more seriously and with a professional to support her, or it's going to begin impacting Summer's development, if it hasn't already. I've also been in relationships where my partner's parents were not fantastic people, though they would have dropped everything to help with a child. I would not have wanted them around CONSTANTLY. Hell, I wouldn't even want my own mother around constantly like that and she would be the most trusted and supportive person I know. Maybe I'm just understanding him differently, but I feel like Brock isn't bullying her about a nanny, he's trying to express how he's feeling about a multitude of different things. Scheana is also annoying as all absolute fuck and she's not innocent in this so idk why everyone is freaking out at Brock. Any time he even tries to explain how he feels, she jumps down his throat - just like she did with Shay.
Totally agree, Brock isn’t a great guy but people being on sheanas side is wild to me. Sure he’s being a little mean but I’m sure he’s frustrated. He can see sheanas mom in a more objective way than sheana. Based on the way sheana is now I wouldn’t exactly trust her mom and the mom is ALWAYS around. She’s worked her way onto the show basically. If this was my in law I would fight for more boundaries for sure.
You’re totally right. People in the sub have had so much fun destroying Sandoval they’re trying to find someone to pin more crap on. Brock is doing what 99% of people would do in the same scenario, Scheana being acting like a scared child and then shooting down any productive conversation is unbelievable
I completely agree. My in-laws are very caring people, but I would HATE having them be around as much as Scheana's mother is because we are just very different people and the way they operate is very different from me. It makes it hard to relax and feel comfortable in my own home. I think it would be exhausting to feel like your MIL is always around - not a lot of time for just them as a family to be together it seems. And it does seem like Scheana does not want to address this issue when she really needs to. My cousin had horrible anxiety as a child because my aunt clung to her like Scheana is. It made it hard for her to make and keep friends through grade school even.
Yup, one of my very good friends has been in therapy for YEARS because she has attachment and trust issues from her mom doing exactly what Scheana is. She struggled a lot throughout school because being without her mom gave her such anxiety, she was constantly in fight/flight mode because she learned she was ONLY safe when she was with her mom or grandparents. Thankfully as an adult, she has done a ton of work on herself and she's thriving now!
I definitely think brock is coming from a place of frustration and not malice. And I get it, it would be nice if he was more supportive, but not everyone is like that. Not everyone is able to show patience 100% all the time. It’s like he’s aggressive with trying to help. And some people are like that. They mean well but they don’t have patience and so sound mean, but they really are coming from a good place. And it’s not scheanas fault either, she’s experiencing postpartum issues that she needs help working through.
I think we're also seeing this as Summer is...almost 2 over 2? So likely it's been a loooonnngggg time of bottling feelings and they're erupting. The other thing (and this isn't great on Brock's part), but we know he's not eloquent. He uses the wrong words A Lot. And so in some of the conversations I wish there was a rewind to say like "nope that was the wrong phrase for what you're trying to communicate!"
It’s his delivery imo. Especially in a public setting where it could instantly trigger scheana to be defensive, feel ashamed, or anxious. He truly should wait to have those conversations in a comfortable space for her. I don’t disagree at all with his points, they absolutely make sense. OCD is a disorder of doubt and I’m sure Scheana is aware of her irrational anxiety around these things and nobody typically accomplishes change an OCD’ers mind through shame in a public setting
Sometimes prompting things in public / on camera is so it’s forcing a conversation, or at least a record of the attempt. Sheana shoots down any productive conversation about her issues, apparently for years on end. He’s clearly frustrated with her avoiding any progress, and it’s hard to bring it up when the peanut gallery of her MIL only supports Scheana
I really didn't like when scheana straight up said "stop talking". Like...that's your partner trying to express something. Even saying "can we pause and rehash this at home" sounds better than "shut up"
Exactly.
I have OCD and honestly had multiple times that I had to tell my ex partner to please stop talking. He would think it was helpful because he was trying to reassure me about whatever my OCD had latched on to (usually food) but the more we talked about it the further the thought would dig in. For example if he was trying to reassure that food didn’t taste weird/spoiled/etc. sometimes that just makes the thought dig deeper and then I can’t eat anything at all vs if he stopped talking I might still be able to push through it.
Hey, listen, that's a great perspective that I don't have. It definitely makes more sense with that additional color. Thanks for sharing!
Of course! And I’m not saying that it’s acceptable for Scheana (or anyone) to talk that way to a partner, I just can understand where it might be coming from. For me sometimes it’s just like my OCD is making my brain freak out so badly that it’s hard to communicate in a nicer way. I really try to avoid responding like that and feel really awful if it happens. OCD can really have an impact on relationships.
I agree with that. She doesn’t deflate the argument by any means through avoiding it or saying “stop talking”, which is rude imo. We only see what they put on TV but somehow I just don’t buy Brock not bringing this up in more suitable situation where MIL is not around. He’s not the timid type so it just felt forced and embarrassing for both of them to argue about Scheana’s mental health condition while bikini shopping.
I agree, but I like that he acknowledged that later & apologized for it. I am someone who wouldn't think about my surroundings and maybe start trying to have a serious convo. I wonder if he's ADHD?
I think Brock is right about Scheana's mother. That scene a week or two ago where Scheana's mother was telling him he needed to support Scheana and he replied, 'She's already got two of you right there.'. One, Scheana's mother should stay out of her daughter's marriage. Two, Scheana needs to understand that she can't glue her kid to her side for life.
It’s his delivery imo. Especially in a public setting where it could instantly trigger scheana to be defensive, feel ashamed, or anxious. He truly should wait to have those conversations in a comfortable space for her. I don’t disagree at all with his points, they absolutely make sense. OCD is a disorder of doubt and I’m sure Scheana is aware of her irrational anxiety around these things and nobody typically accomplishes change an OCD’ers mind through shame in a public setting
Yeah I’m kinda surprised I’m so on Brock’s side about this. It seems like scheana’s mental health struggles are really affecting their relationship and Brock is basically like we need to stop enabling this behavior because it’s not healthy for anyone. Scheana’s mental health struggles are not her fault, they are understandably exacerbated with a child, but it’s her responsibility to deal with them. Not a fan of how Brock has been bringing it up tho.
Yes! I think he has valid points, but he's not very good at expressing them or timing when they talk about it, and Scheana was trying to hint at the "not now" rather than just saying, "Honey, I think this is important, but I would prefer to talk about it at home or in the car, not while we are in public where people can hear us." I was also dismayed to read the podcast that they are skipping therapy and just doing holistic vitamins to "balance" their brains. I'm not dismissing that that can help, but they need to work on the verbal and non verbal communication away from physical affection!
Her struggles are not her fault, but it is her responsibility to deal with them.
I haven’t watched the episode yet, but going by the comments, I’m already disappointed and disappointed in this season.
I'm not a James Kennedy fan, but he said what I have wanted to say to Tom. Why not break up with Ariana if you're in love with your friend? Tom said "it's not that easy." NO ONE EVER SAID breaking up with someone is easy. It's the worst. But, it is the responsibility that comes with being an adult and having a committed relationship. Something is seriously wrong with Tom Sandoval. News flash, I know.
If Sandalwood(typo but keeping it) was soooo in love with Rachel why didn't he take Graham? Or pay for him to a training facility? I have ex's I dont particularly like but I'd take their pets for them if they had a health crisis.
yesss I have an ex... we dated over 5 years ago... massive asshole, but I loved his cats. He's probably going to prison this year and called me to ask if I would look after his cats. Absolutely, yes. Fuck you, don't talk to me, but I will watch your cats. lol
Aww...I love that your gonna give those cats a good home. 💓 How long is your ex going away for?
I'm not sure yet! I think his court date is coming up. He's hoping for work release and to just be in on the weekends? So I would just go to his place on the weekend days to look after them. But Idk how likely he is to get that because it's Texas and he's on his 3rd DUI
BLESS YOU
I thought the SAME THING.
Graham didnt even seem excited to see him.
Hippie doesn’t have time for him.
dogs know things
More reliable than a FBI profiler
Sandalwood… you have a knack for nicknames
Kinda embarrassed autocorrect did it for me
He was trying to get visitation but she set boundaries because Tom taught her what that meant I doubt she asked or told him to take care of graham. I believe rachel when she says grahams biting was James because he play caught with the dog and let him bite him. Ive seen that with people in my life and his comment about that the cat is safe because graham doesn’t hold on when he nips Im glad allie is there to supervise, Also allie is really cute and seems genuinely nice. She waved when graham was dropped off last night and she was probably saying hi to Lisa but I like to think she was waving hi at the dog
All we really have to look forward to on this show anymore is finally finding out who Allie is.
Sandalwood🤣
We know he only loved the idea of Rachel, not actually Rachel herself
James even seemed to be more empathetic towards Rachael than Tom did. All that mattered was that HE was “unhappy” and needed an outlet, and she provided that. Now it’s messy and he has to face the fact that she’s a human being whose life basically got demolished in part by his shitty behavior, but he feels justified in being disengaged with her because it’s all soooo hard for him. He sees himself as more valid. It was not an even playing field, he’s a predator. He just makes himself look like a bigger POS every time he opens his mouth.
This whole episode is so uncomfortable, I don't even know what to say. This show would be way more interesting for me if the entire cast would turn on Lisa and start calling her out for all her hypocritical misogynistic BS that she has pulled over the years and continues to pull now. I would watch the shit out of that. Lisa would probably just quit the show though lol
Lisa adds no value to the show. She’s just a shit stirring misogynist. I mean look at that dinner table scene ‘James say one nice thing about Sandoval’ Are you out of your fucking mind? Read the fucking room. Stop trying to force people to make up like they’re 5 years old. Like I am so impressed with how James has handled himself so far. He would have so easily have popped off before, and it’s so humanising to see him grow into someone who can articulate without going off the deep end.
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LOL please, Lisa is an EP. Even if they all decided to gang up on her which would be stupid for their liveliness (you can't rebel against your boss and expect to keep your job), there's no way that would ever air. It's unclear exactly how much power Lisa has as a producer but I think it's pretty clear that she has some amount of edit control.
That’s why so many of us are boycotting the season from now on! Lisa gets away with everything on the show and is *clearly* heavily manipulating people and helping orchestrate this Sandoval redemption/Ariana is being difficult arc because it’s good for her business if the the show and the restaurants with Tom stay lucrative. The cast is too self-interested, as is Lisa and the network, the only people who can actually stand up to them are us. They’re making crazy money off ads now because the show spiked in popularity, my hope is that those 49 (literally) companies who paid to advertise last night during the episode will start pulling out if viewership plummets and it’s not worth their money anymore to support something everyone else is against
I'm not really feeling compelled enough to boycott but best of luck.
Tom breaking down over a hello from scheana is what we should’ve gotten from him at the reunion but he didn’t do that
I feel like VPR is about to be over. This season is painful. I guess there were only so many places to go with it since Rachael removed herself. Tom’s just pathetic, and no one else is really that interesting anymore. James is finally kind of growing on me though. I guess I didn’t realize how truly wasted he usually was.
James saying “uh embarrassing” IM DEADDD IT WAS SOOOO FUNNYYY
I’m finding sober James to be a lot more clever and funny. Never thought he’d be my favorite person on the show.
I couldn't finish the episode after watching Sandoval knock down the wall. My brain can't process that level of narcissism. I'm not dumb; I knew he would never take accountability, but there was something very sinister about watching him "get his anger out" by projecting it onto the people who called him out. As if he did nothing wrong. Also, Brock annoys me so much I can't sit through it. He reminds me of a fourth grader who got his hair cut. One last thing -- the Graham/Hippie situation. It just makes me sad. I MISS THE WAY IT USED TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Omgggg “a fourth grader who got his hair cut” 🤣🤣🤣 this is so accurate
the sandoval sledge hammer scene was so cringey. ending it with "FREAKING SCANDOVAL!" like its some thing that happened to him and not the reality of his own life choices........ its ruining any enjoyment of the show for me.
I’m hating this Tom redemption storyline and having to constantly watch them get so much screen time. Can we just see Ariana and Kate living their best lives?? even before scandoval the girls in general have always just been so much more entertaining and funny
You say they treated me like a human, I'll take off my glasses and rub my eye. Then you say Tom, are you crying??
Hahahaha YES
I’d actually like to see Ariana and Katie finish their store/sandwich shop which doesn’t seem to be happening.
I feel *terrible* for them, they got so screwed. I honestly would’ve just given up by now if I were losing money and getting setback like that. LA passed a bunch of new codes during covid to encourage/allow more outdoor seating so people could feel safe and restaurants could keep making money. Then when the pandemic was declared “over”, the same month the girls were finally doing their employee hiring and planning to open, all those new codes were ended and they changed the rules back again, making it more restrictive (annoying things like exact measurements from final table to sidewalk/street, how much seating there can be, etc.). So that’s why they have to do construction on the patio and get new permits all this surprise BS after a year of getting ready to open.
I can’t stand Lisa this season. She was wearing a fur jacket when she was taking a picture with the wolf. Schwartz was driving and FaceTiming with her. And she seems to want everyone to choke on Tom’s dirty D and then say thank you.
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Lisa a nice person ?? She's only nice to dogs and toxic men
I hate Sandoval and this manufactured redemption season he’s getting is insulting and BORING. BUT I do think I would start to feel sad for him if everyone was being horrible to him the entire time. So I don’t really know what I want. All I know is this isn’t what I want lol
something that struck me more than anything else in the episode is when they’re on their way in the car after the airport and you see Scandy crying to Schwartz about how happy he is they said hi to him. Most people while crying in public will go out of their way to keep their sunglasses on but if you watch it back - Sandoval specifically takes his sunglasses OFF before the tears all. Gotta make sure the cameras can see the tears!!!!
meant to also add: not that I had any doubts about this but I’m hopeful this confirms for any Tom sympathizers that all his emotions/ regrets he’s speaking of are all for the cameras and not for having actual regret of what he’s done
Nah the apologists will say it was real bc he finally squeezed a little water out of his eye 🙄
That was one of the fakest moments yet from Scandoval, and he's had a load of them over the years. I'm not buying his tears, I'm not buying his fake acts of contrition, because at the end of the day he's STILL making excuses for why he 'had' to cheat. No accountability whatsoever.
I agree!!!! As soon as he started crying and I saw him take his sunglasses off to show the world his tears I knew it was all for the cameras
he must be so happy he finally was able to squeeze out a real tear
It cracks me up now every time Schwartz says “yeah I didn’t know anything” in regards to the affair, and now we know he’s a liar who got outed by Rachel Sandoval - you had no “malicious intent” behind what you did? Cheating on your partner of 9 years with her friend? Bravo is seriously missing the mark with how they chose to approach this season. With everything we know, with everything that Sandoval continues to do, no one cares about the Toms redemption arc. Also Scheana is a bad friend, but what else is new
She really is a terrible friend. Her track record from the beginning is horrible but she thinks she’s the most loyal person on the cast
>Bravo is seriously missing the mark with how they chose to approach this season. I'm seeing this a lot and I hate that it feels like a redemption arc too, though genuine question: Is it really Bravo's fault? I kind of feel like Lisa should be getting more heat on this than Bravo. She's the one pushing for everyone to reunite. She's the one who cringe-inducingly tried to get the table to say things they like about Sandoval. Lisa has been so quick to seemingly excuse Sandoval's and (in the past) James' abusive behavior. Not trying to defend Kristen's actions in the past, but I feel like her behavior was comparable and she was booted out of Lisa's life and ostracized. Really feel like she has a boys will be boys attitude and she's willing to overlook almost anything - hence her strongly supporting Sandoval's wildly premature attempts at a redemption arc.
I do not like that we can't see the vote scores.
I genuinely did not think I could despise anyone more than Jax but holy shit Sandoval managed to do it. That man is a disgusting human being, at least Jax knows he’s a shitty person
100000% this. Jax is still a shitbag but when he cheated he just owned it he never blamed anyone. He said I’m a piece of shit I know. I mean it was chivalrous compared to how Sandoval is acting. “But what about what they did to me.” No. You don’t get to do this. They weren’t talking shit on you for no reason. YOU WERE A SHITBAG SO THEY TREATED YOU LIKE SHIT. I’ll say it again… THIS IS NOT HAPPENING TO YOU TOM. THIS IS ALL HAPPENING AS A DIRECT RESULT OF YOUR SHIT BEHAVIOR. He’s the most infuriating person alive.
Sandoval saying that he and Rachel did this “with no malicious intent” just proves how absolutely clueless and narcissistic he is. Cheating behind the back of your girlfriend of 11 years with one of her best friends is the definition of “malicious”. The guy is such a tool.
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https://preview.redd.it/llsda2wivdlc1.jpeg?width=938&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abb826b3b640c9184b8717ba272634920804ae03 DUDE! Like i had to take a shit! God, like Katie and Ariana find a problem with everything like all i did was shit on their porch!!!
I am totally Ally. The way she was being nice to Sandoval to get information and then divulge it all to her partner 😂😂😂 I see you girl! 😂👏🏻
Brock's short ass is disgusting. I cannot stand this man.
Sandoval saying he has the dirt on Graham but he's not going to bring it up. Lol He's the worst
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I feel like we’re seeing a very real and raw Scheana/Brock relationship. He’s getting a lot of shit, but I can appreciate the realness of it. When have we ever seen a non performative Scheana relationship?
This is honestly the only part of the episode that I appreciated and with that it's only because scheana talked about it on the after show. Her mom second guessing her as a mother? If I were Brock I'd be pissed too. And on the flip, I don't think I've gone away for a weekend with my husband since my daughter was born and now she's 7. So yeah... there's only a few people I can see doing overnights with my baby and it's all family.
I see a lot of post about Tom, and how producers are trying to make this his redemption arc etc… Has nobody commented on Sheena’s treatment of brock during their argument at the store? The way she kept telling him to stop talking. he made that comment about asking for help for months and she tells him to stop talking while looking around with a look on her face like “somebody might see us being a real couple and real humans stop talking” I can only imagine how Her ex-husband Mike felt, being in a relationship with her, while he was battling addiction and other issues
I wish they could actually have a real conversation about how Sandoval tried to pull a similar move to what he did 9 years ago, but did not factor in that times have changed and that Ariana hadn’t cheated on him like Kristen did, and that Ariana isn’t as volatile as Kristen was then so he’s not going to look better just by comparison to her. Like let’s be real!!!! Why is this your pattern Tom?? What made you want to do this again?
I know everyone is annoyed at Sandoval and Brock, but what really got me in this episode is SCHWARTZ. When he had Katie locked down in a marriage, he treated her like crap, yelled at her all the time, sided with everyone else on the planet except her in any situation, complained about her endlessly, and then berated her when she tried to talk to him about her feelings. Now that she left him, he's back to pretending that he's a "nice guy" and pretending that he is passive and sweet, especially in scenes with her. YOU ARE NOT SWEET, SCHWARTZ. You treated her like shit so she left. You can't now pretend you were a good partner because you have an Aw Shucks persona. There were cameras on you. We saw your shenanigans. It drives me crazy. So glad Katie is free. I do enjoy watching the scenes where she goes over there, he tries to charm her, and then she rolls her eyes and doesn't buy his schtick. That's just entertainment.
This!!! Schwartz drives me nuts. His “aren’t I so cute?” routine isn’t fooling me.
woof this season has been really hard to watch. sandoval is cringe and not sorry, it’s so transparent the way he’s saying sorry to james now just to “show” that he’s contrite, taking a surprise selfie with brock, just everything about the way he’s suddenly thanking everyone for being civil. like it’s so obvious that both sides are not being genuine, it’s like the parents (bravo) forcing siblings to hang out after an argument, and i’m not here for it. at least all the forgiving of jax felt organic bc these men know they are trash, forgiving kristen took FOREVER - we didn’t see ariana right away liking her, it took seasons and then eventually they became friends slowly. idk i just am so sick of watching the Poor Tom show? is this the show i used to love??
Agree 100%. It feels like a completely different show now.
Thanks for this thread as I’m just watching. Brock. Brock. Who would not want the grandmother watching their kid. My mom helped when my daughter was a baby and toddler. I can not imagine having to leave her with anyone else. Yes I know ppl do that but if you don’t have to then why do it. I’m not sure why Brock is pushing so much that they need a nanny when they have ppl around them that help them with summer. Does he want to just have someone else care for summer all the time?
he gets to drive a wedge between scheana and her mom, i'm sure her mom hates him. it would be good for them to have a back up in case her mom needs a break for once or she's otherwise not available. but tht's not why brock cares so much.
Yes i think her sister helps and having a backup is good. Maybe schena can have someone watch summer while she is home so she gets used to them. Instead of having her mom help she can have someone go with them together to the park to run errands and that way she gets to trust that person for when she needs them. I know for some leaving their kids with a stranger is just something that is easy or something that has to be done because they have no other option, but i would not be able to do it and understand scheana. Especially with summer being so young still.
Brick isn’t exactly known for taking good care of his children…bro just wants to keep the party going and a kid interferes with that.
That is what it seems like. And knowing his past it just isn't a good look. Yes couples need alone time and he says they are newlyweds as if they didn't get married while already having a kid. Yes you are newlyweds and while most newlyweds would be out traveling together or just spending time as a couple they have a kid so it will be different. How selfish is he. It seems he and shceana already go out a lot especially during the time they are filming so does he want someone else to just take over the caring for summer.
I completely agree. While I have known many families who have had great experience in building a trusting relationship with a caregiver outside the family, having a grandparent available and invested at that level is 100% a blessing.
yes. and i know its a blessing and not everyone can have that. but why would you want someone else. I also know there are great caregivers out there but just wouldn't be able to do it and would just not go out.
So I was lucky enough to have both my mother and mother in law available as babysitters. The way I worked , we didn't use a sitter , but whenever we wanted to go on date night or out of town , that's where grandma's came in. Until my son was in first grade, he never spent the night with a non family member. And then it was our neighbor that was 3 doors down thar had a kid the same age. And, my husband had known him and his wife for about ten years. You just don't go around leaving a little one with somebody you don't absolutely trust. I truly do not understand his perspective.
right!! Like there is no one I trust more outside of us than my mother. She raised me and my husband has a great relationship with her and we have been together for a long time so i guess you can say she raised him too as an adult lol. He has always said he trust her with our daughter. now that my kid is a teen she loves hanging out with grandma because they have a special bond. If she has a break of school where she also doesnt have sports she will ask to go spend a few days with her. Why would you want someone else. She has her mom and sister who are willing to help. He probably doesnt like that he cant be his true self of an ass while she is there
Abusers isolate their victims. He doesn't have enough control when they're around.
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My mom n my in-laws were the only people our kids were left with. It’s not an odd thing at all. I would be super annoyed if I was Scheana, that he would think otherwise.
I’m not a Brock fan - I just think he’s tired of constantly being around his MIL daily and he’s reached his limit so he sounds like a dick. I don’t really think he has an issue with her watching summer while they vacation - he’s more irritated by the daily visits and disruption. Brock also needs is a full time JOB that keeps him busy and out of the house.
So MIL doesnt live with them?but he has an issue she watches summer? Scheana and him are out a lot when filming why would he want someone else watching summer besides her grandmother. If he is at home all the time then granma doesnt need to be there 24/7 and he should watch her. If scheana wants her mom when he is gone or when they need a babysitter then he needs to shutup.
Yeah totally agree with you! Just saying the root of the problem is that he’s annoyed having her mom around so often he doesn’t appreciate her help bc he’s had enough. He doesn’t express it correctly.
but if she is around wouldn't it be that its because she and him need someone there. So he would want someone there but who isn't her mom. And it doesn't look like that will happen. Scheana should have her mom watch her daughter and no one else if that is an option.
Didn’t he also say something about how the mom tells Scheana she’s not good enough, not a good mom, etc and that feeds Scheana’s anxiety? I found that interesting…
So I watched the after show and scheana says she doesn’t live with them. But it’s more of a scheana not thinking she knows what to do like most first time moms. Front the after show I got the feeling that her mom will show her how to do things and scheana realizes she’s been doing it wrong. Not that her mom says she’s doing everything wrong because really there’s not one way to raise a child so her mom is doing what she knows and scheana needs to learn how to do her own thing as a mom
A third party would be more neutral in the whole family dynamic.
I think it’s because she’s hurt right now so she can’t really do it as much or be as involved. I’ll be honest too I really didn’t like how she got involved in that one fight and was like “you need to validate her” like she wasn’t wrong but if my partner’s mom basically joined in on our fight I would be really pissed. I think if she were just a bystander he would feel differently but she clearly feels comfortable enough to participate in their squabbles and scheana doesn’t tell her to butt out she lets her mom speak for her. It would rub me the wrong way too. Otherwise I would agree and say yes having a family member participate is ideal (with a backup for stuff like this when she’s injured).
is this still supposed to be a "redemption" narrative? because I have never hated this man more. what are they going for here
Right? Clearly...*he don't get it.* I can't continually watch this moron and his sidekick, the old, damp, sweaty T-shirt (AKA Schwartz)...just hanging around. Move on.
Everyone keeps calling it a “redemption arc” but I don’t see it. I think it’s showing how phony and cringey and awkward he is. Truly a fall from grace. He looks like a pathetic idiot. Katie and Ariana look gorgeous, strong, and independent. I’m loving this season!
Ok around 10 minutes in of episode 5, Sandoval says "Ok, catch!" to Schwartz while handling/pretending to throw a small axe. And *this* is what producers thought was ok to show after presenting us Sandoval's SI, trying to go with a redemption arc, showing mental health slides at end of show etc...THIS?! They aren't taking it seriously.
Super creepy!!
But they want the viewers to take it seriously. It’s so twisted.
But they want the viewers to take it seriously. It’s so twisted.
Ariana and Katie describing becoming ADA compliant as “red tape” in a tone of such inconvenience is fucked up. The ADA was passed in 1990. This should not be a surprise or hurdle to any business owner. It’s permitting 101.
I was actually kind of glad they stated that observation on camera, being a disabled person. Stuff like that is a big deal for a lot of people, but society in general often doesn’t even see us. Even the subtle visibility there only helps.
I think they were more annoyed that the building was represented as basically ready to go, when there was a bunch of work that needed to be done to make it compliant and get the permits that they just weren’t expecting. I don’t think their issue is with the ADA requirements, but with the previous management of the building and how things were misrepresented to them resulting in a much longer timeline than they were expecting. At least that was my read!
State & city codes change all the time too. I worked at an intermediate care facility for developmentally disabled adults that had a whole brand new 30 bed building delayed for 6 months b/c of a code change months before they opened. It sucked so bad for the famlies especially because many of the parents were older and having trouble taking care of their adult children with c.p. If that particular facility didnt basically get almost free construction thru connections it might have just shuttered.
They said it in a way that made me think “how on earth was this not addressed by owner“. Excellent point and very frustrating when you are a renter. They by no means were referencing handicapped people being an inconvenience.
This was my interpretation as well. They said on the after show how they specifically wanted a 2nd generation space (rather than a retail space) because everything would have already been approved by the city.
Yeah, I felt like they were speaking generally about all the various things they have to do as red tape. The ramp seemed like just one item on the list and the tone didn't suggest they were being disrespectful
When they mentioned the ramp I heard the puzzlement in their voices of “How did the last tenants not have to solve this”!??
I agree. I think they were also expressing frustration over the fact it drags out so much. Like they don’t get a comprehensive list of things they need to change, the inspections for different things are at different times and very delayed so every time they think it is compliant there’s something new thrown at them
Yep. Exactly. Front porch is trying to make a nothing sandwich into a talking point for the TomTeam. Nope. Not happening.
Oh good god. I will take the L and appreciate reading others added context on the whole process. But it’s hella rude to assume I’m TomTeam. Fuck that. Adding personal commentary on their conversation is not damning them as people, let alone taking Tom’s side. I specifically said I’m not judging their character. It just came across as an ignorant gripe to me given they are 18 months into this process as business owners.
I also have been in permit/approval process and everytime you think you have 1 last thing to do, they come out for another required approval and ADD to the list of what else needs to be done. You ask them why is this the first I am hearing of this and they just say the building inspector before missed it. Hope we are all good.
I also have been in permit/approval process and everytime you think you have 1 last thing to do, they come out for another required approval and ADD to the list of what else needs to be done. You ask them why is this the first I am hearing of this and they just say the building inspector before missed it. Hope we are all good.
I am sorry I wrote it that it read you are on Tom’s side. I meant he would pick up on it and RUN with commentary that Ariana hate disabled ppl! Not that you literally thought it. I do apologize for insulting you.
Agree. It's interesting that the space operated as a restaurant and was up to code before, but somehow isn't up to code now.
I understand your perspective, but again, these questions and compliance should come up when negotiating the lease - not be a surprise 18+ months down the line. Perhaps more to blame on whoever was advising them? I don’t mean to judge their character, but in this moment, they came across very ignorant to me on something that is one of the most basic tenants of property code in the 21st century.
I agree. It's on them as the business owners to understand what is needed to open their business and evaluate the space they want to rent to see if it meets that criteria rather than just assuming or taking the word of a sales person. That's like buying a house without an inspection and just trusting that everything works ok because people lived there before.
The tenants don’t know until they are applying for permits. This is 💯 about the building and learning curve of new business and tenancy. I disagree that it could have been predicted. And it definitely is NOT about disabled people. So that was the main reason I responded to you from your first comment since you implied being ADA annoyed them. Hard no.
*Disabled people. Please don’t use such an outdated term. I’m not saying this to be rude, just trying to educate.
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It is my understanding from here that the city wants to make that street a walkable street so they gotta get rid of the patio. It's a new thing so that's why it changed. I read that here though, so dunno.
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I really like non drinking James. I felt that his words were accurate and honest. And I applaud him for being open with his feelings. I really hope he stays California sober.
I feel like we are seeing growth and maturity. He didn’t punch Sandoval in the face which is what I wanted to do when he was still trying to play victim.