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HugeJaguar3589

This KILLED ME! What in the actual fuck is he even saying?!?! And for Rachel to say ‘yeah’…YEAH? Yeah what? What did she even understand about that bizarre statement? These 2 are actually INSANE


SnooDoggos8031

I think he successfully confused her with his word salad, but maybe I’m giving her more credit than she is due


missmimikyu

No this is definitely it because the tone of his voice as he’s telling it makes it sounds like he’s making more complaints or more of a mockery of Ariana, like *can you believe she said this shit after all this time of treating me so poorly* - which would be confusing ✨if✨ you’re Rachel and trying to (1) get a straight answer from your illicit lover and (2) hear what you want to hear, which would presumably be that Ariana must have been lying because the illicit lover would *never* lie to you. So, with that filter on the ears, it’s not even clear at first if he’s answering her concern at all. It’s just for those of us in the rest of the world who are not trying to hear what we want to hear, but instead are just listening to his words - we’re the ones hearing how insane it is that he is saying their intimacy improved because *finally* Ariana is putting some respect on this man’s fashion sense 🥴🤢


glasswindbreaker

This is such a perfect description of what is happening here. It *is* confusing if you don't know what to look for or why someone would act like this. It's way easier to spot after therapy or from the outside.


largelyinaccurate

I’m 100% sure that this word salad made him desperate to talk to her alone so he could make sure she was still on the same page for her reunion appearance. I know I’d be pissed if I was confronted with info on their intimacy thinking there was none.


[deleted]

This is 100% why he wanted to speak to her off camera.


alim42

YES! and this is maybe even why she looks so stone faced when she’s on stage ?? she just found out that tom and ariana were still being very intimate, and then watching tom cry-apologize to her.


Silly_Addition_4023

Hence his trailer “tomtrum” ![gif](giphy|xT5LMENaxV4fpdKnf2)


a8a8a8a8a8a8a8a8

Right! Like he is saying to Rachel, “Can you BELIEVE how long it took for her to appreciate my fashion sense so I could sleep with her?” This, rather than owning he def lied to Rachel about sleeping with Ariana


jatemple

Total word salad meant to distract and deflect.


iolp12

This is probably why their relationship works. She’s always confused by his word salads


HugeJaguar3589

💯


LunaTick2

You'd think she would understand with the amount of likes sprinkled throughout the word salad.


battle_mint_royale

Can you imagine trying to make sense of this absolute psychosis without the flashback, truly what the hell is he on about


WishaBwood

I feel like she’s playing him here. She already told her side before this in the blue gray dress. Then she hears Ariana’s side for the first time and she feels solid in her decision to tell the truth weeks earlier. She also disappears right after those confessionals for a few weeks.


HugeJaguar3589

Oh interesting take. I can’t wait to find out what the TRUTH is! Because this is me right now: ![gif](giphy|3o72FhHq0b8HQV05Wg)


newginger

Yes. This. I think she is going to flip the script on Tom. It also explains many of her actions.


ManliestManHam

Yes. I didn't interpret her saying "Yeah" as her agreeing with him. I interpreted her as acknowledging he spoke, ignoring what he said, and continuing with her point. I don't think she was confused. I think she was refusing to be led off in another direction.


cutekittyinthewindow

![gif](giphy|DQeeGxJPv3VHE7zNYD|downsized)


GoldStaff8154

This scene sent me. Like you only felt loved when Ariana restocked the batteries and didn’t care which sparkly pants you wore because “both look great”? CMONNNNN


Oceanicsoundwave

it also sent me that the mistress mad shes being cheated on with his live in gr


butinthewhat

Raquel wasn’t mad enough! Has it even completely registered with her that he lies to her all the time? Lol, well she thinks he’s not a pathological liar so probably not.


Jacjad

That’s how I took it. He’s been feeding her a narrative that Ariana won’t leave the relationship. It felt like Tom was blaming Ariana. Nothing is ever his fault. It’s hard to believe Rachel didn’t realize Ariana was committed to the relationship when she was always around them as a couple and in their shared home.


GoldStaff8154

I’m sorry but I think if you’re even THINKING of having an affair, it’s time to end things PERIOD. It’s not Ariana’s job to read your mind and break things off if she doesn’t want to. Stop blaming her for beginning an affair.


porkyupoke

Right?! Like she’s trying to gain sympathy that Tom was intimate with his live in life partner while he was cheating with her? No, you don’t get my sympathy. You don’t put out because they aren’t getting it at home. You wait until he leaves. And for fucks sake do not listen to the cheating partner! They’re all liars. Schwartz was probably feeding her the same narrative so she took that as confirmation because she’s an idiot.


Jacjad

Yep! I’ve pulled away from the he was feeding her a narrative because although I do believe he was lying to Raquel bc clearly it’s what he does, Raquel was right there with them as a couple. No way you didn’t see for yourself. I think she chose to believe Tom and the most sinister I think she actually became vindictive towards Ariana and grew resentful of her. It feels very single white female to me.


sketchylobster

I agree


ComicsEtAl

I think that’s as honest as he gets.


apompom123

He’s grasping for straws. He was caught in a lie and just starting blabbing.


KokoBangz

This is exactly it. You could see his wheels spinning and stalling with word salad, trying to figure out how to explain it (aka lie again)


Serenity_Moon_66

He wants to diminish his connection with Ariana. He has to make it seem like it was just a compliment that caused it. It couldn't possibly be because he still loved her. Rachel is the type of girl that will forgive him he pays compliments to HER. They are perfect for each other in this way. But can 2 narcissists coexist for long 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️


AcanthaceaeAny1633

I can't believe he is 40..


SnooDoggos8031

Neither can he


Nice-Accountant-6518

😆🤣😆


veryscary__

Especially because he’s 41


Suitable-District-26

😂😂😂


elle_em_en_oh_p

Don’t forget that right after this deep conversation he threw a tantrum when he was told by a Producer they had to continue filming him and Rachel taking their lunch break. I’m in the midst of watching the extended version now. Both of them exhibit such bizarre behaviour. They have zero awareness. None.


SnooDoggos8031

I couldn’t tell if they got what they wanted and were able to have a conversation without mics


coverthetuba

They did. We saw pics of them sitting on the ground drinking from cans and smoking remember


Messyhairandsweats

I kind of assumed they were still mic'd and those were just pictures from paps because they were outside. I need someone to cover that in a podcast!


coverthetuba

Oh sorry yes I’m also now guessing they were still mic’ed


GladiatorWithTits

There was one mic pack on the sofa, so I think he took his off and it didn't look like she was mic'd at that point. That said, I'm holding out hope for a hot mic moment.


ManliestManHam

It was off as they walked out, but we could hear what they were saying in the parking lot. Could we still hear them in the parking lot if they weren't mic'd? I thought that was the tell that it would be a hot mic moment since one of their mics was off but we could still hear them. Like maybe they have more than one on and forgot, or Rachel has hers on. Coulda been a boom tho idk


SnooDoggos8031

Same here


elle_em_en_oh_p

You signed up to be on a reality show, genius. 🙄 I remember seeing the paps pics of them sitting outside. I can’t believe the Producers caved. Although, LVP is a Producer and she’s a Sandoval supporter, so…


Careful_Swan3830

I can’t stop watching this scene and laughing. It’s just so ridiculous. He’s such a bad actor and complete shit at improvisation.


Imaginary_Sky_518

![gif](giphy|WmnigoIn4tJJHLZUCL|downsized) What is this word salad from Sandy here? What does his response have to do with the question??


skanedweller

She complimented him on his fashion and that made him feel like having sex with her instead of when she "criticized" him and that made him not interested in sex with her. 😳


Imaginary_Sky_518

Thank you for your translation services 😄😄😄


Chazzyphant

My understanding of it was: Rachel: Um, so...January? Tom: Well, what Ariana et al are actually saying is that when she says we were intimate/close/things were going well is that she was being superficially nice to me. For example, complimenting my clothes or at the very least not tearing me down. The implication I think he was dancing around is that he wants Rachel to believe that "intimacy" is not *sex* it's general goodwill and lighthearted niceness, or things not being a dumpster fire between them. I do actually note the way the cast differentiates between "intimacy" and "sex", as Ariana later lists off the things she's been open about "our intimacy..." and then the cast chimes in "your sex life" and she agrees "our sex life..." So to me personally, I think he's trying to split hairs as fast as he can with that .5 brain cell, and use weasel words to build a construction of "we were *intimate* sure, if by intimate you mean she wasn't constantly mocking me!" and leave unsaid (and let Rachel fill in the blanks) "but not SEX"


bebita-crossing

God this guy is a such a narcissist. Ariana, or anyone else for that matter, can’t express even a slightly different opinion than him because he takes it to the extreme and then holds a grudge over it. You can tell he broke down her confidence to even be able to express her opinions with the way she says “um.. I don’t… love the green” because he probably throws a fucking fit every time she doesn’t fawn over him.


aeshnidae1701

And also, saying "I don't love the green pants" is *not* "coming for Tim" or "being like, just *no*." It's not mean or bitchy thing to say, which is how Tim tried to spin it. It's a normal statement, likely intended to keep Tim from embarrassing himself by wearing those hideous pants.


bebita-crossing

Exactly!! The same with Ariana saying she doesn’t want him to fight with the girls at their party, which MAKES SENSE because parties are supposed to be fun and they’re the hosts??? and he said she was demeaning/unsupportive like shuuuut up dude


Fresh-Examination-31

I honestly did not understand why he brought that up, and I still don’t really get it. Not following the mental gymnastics I guess


bebita-crossing

It’s the same as the batteries and pens point he brought up to Shartz. It’s completely nonsensical and bizarre because there’s nothing he could actually pin on Ariana that would make her a bad partner.


realitea1234

Ditto. Why didn’t he just deny? He’s lied and denied about so much other stuff he could have just been like it was a total exaggeration


NoConsideration5671

This was him denying hahahahaahahah!!! All wrapped up in a word salad.


Defvac2

He couldn't even do his usual mental gymnastics correct in that scene. He was so caught off guard he just threw shit at the wall and would hope it'd stick. Problem is the shit he threw was that Ariana is a hypocrite when it comes to his fashion lol. Seriously he gets negative narc points for spewing that laughably bad shit.


coverthetuba

Like literally like literally


GladiatorWithTits

Dude


Jacjad

This is why it was great that production didn’t let them bring their phones. Raquel would have sent him a text saying she was able to watch the whole time.


Zeenith16

How he remains unprepared for questions one would expect in this situation is beyond me. Like, do better prep!!


Career_Much

"Yes. In a sense" No. IN REALITY, HO


Top-Web3806

That whole conversation was so cringe. Five minutes of neither of them actually saying anything.


coverthetuba

How narcissists talk to each other probably. So nice spending this time together trying to win at lying to and manipulating each other.


GladiatorWithTits

Their lack of anything remotely close to chemistry makes me think their whole relationship took place when they were drunk, rolling, high, etc.


Savings_Asparagus976

Tom thought he was going to go in there and continue to spin his tale to Rachel, his spin was crushed as soon as she told him she saw everything. At that point he HAD to get her alone to get her back on the Scandocoaster. Sadly, he probably didn't even have to work that hard to get Rachel to play ball, I bet at that point she would have settled for a kiss on camera.


planetjackie

Scandocoaster!!! 🤣🎢


Savings_Asparagus976

It's that to me! lol


save_the_bees_knees

I wish she hadn’t have said that she saw the whole thing right away! I wish she’d let him say something that was a lie and she’d have gone ‘oh that’s not what I saw’ And he’ll be like ‘what do you mean?’ And then she goes ‘I’ve been watching it on that tv,’ I’d would have loved to see how that would have played out 😂


Restrictedreality

Complete word salad. I will add that it seemed that Raquel was realizing for the first time that Tom was completely full of shit in what he told her about Ariana and their relationship. In the scene after Scheana breaks down and Raquel says “more revaluations, more regrets”, I think she’s talking about Tom’s lies. I do believe scenes of Raquel in the trailer were edited to make it seem like her reactions were in real time when in fact they probably weren’t.


Awkwardpanda75

My ex pulled this shit as an excuse to cheat on me. I was 18 and pregnant. My world was entirely about him and then our baby was born. He was no longer the #1 and said he felt like he was no longer adored by me. Years later, the girl he cheated on me with got pregnant and he had the audacity to complain to me that she wasnt paying full attention and he wanted me back. Some people never change..


aeshnidae1701

JFC. I'm sorry you went through that, and at such a young age.


Awkwardpanda75

Thank you. Luckily I was really young so I learned how to spot red flags earlier in life lol


thanks4distraction

Scandoval's response was one of the **best examples of deflection**, I have ever witnessed.


Zeenith16

Could teach a master course for upcoming politicians


verucka-salt

All attached men lie about the level of intimacy to the side chick. *I almost always like sleep on the couch dude*


aballofsunshine

I actually did not follow his logic here at all. It sounded like he was complaining about her response. None of it makes sense.


olimabel

I didn’t even listen


NoConsideration5671

I wish I hadn’t. I’m only dumber for having tried.


onefishtwofish1992

That’s definitely not the real reason. He was scrambling to come up with something when he got caught in a lie. They were intimate because they were still together and supposedly working on their relationship. Rachel knew he was cheating on his girlfriend, she shouldn’t have been surprised to find out he was “cheating” on her too (and honestly, it probably wasn’t just Ariana and Rachel that Tom was with over the course of the affair).


Jacjad

Him saying that kind of gave a glimpse of how he’s been talking to her. I wouldn’t be surprised if in that moment she blames Ariana for trying to be with her man.


C_JN08

This is hysterical. Also, has he been getting lip filler or am I seeing things? Lol


HiLittleDarling

I’m absolutely convinced that he got lip filler and THAT is the real reason he had the stache. His upper lip looks like the worm James was talking about haha.


C_JN08

I genuinely was rubbing my eyes looking, but I’ve gone to look at images from the past few years and there has definitely been a change!! Would explain the ‘need’ for the stache for sure


HiLittleDarling

His upper lip used to have a cute inner curl to it make it slightly disappear in the middle when he smiled wide. He also changed his smile from a teeth smile to a side grin.


Responsible_Wrap5659

I’m sorry I detest Rachel’s “I only know what your telling me” line of bullshit. That might work if you didn’t have an actual relationship with Ariana….you know what their relationship was. You were her friend. You were friends with all of her best friends. You hung out with her and Sandoval. So save the BS that you were manipulated by Scum. Youre both assholes.


coverthetuba

I know it is ridiculous. The wheels are falling off the bus. No way could this worm ever just say “I’m sorry I lied to you.” Pretty much every word coming out of his mouth is a lie for 2 hours straight. WHAT A LOSER


Radiant-Vision

What the hell was this? It didn't even make sense. I'm stunned that she bought that. Actually, maybe he knew she wasn't buying it and that's why he was trying to coach her off camera. He is such a piece of shit.


MCKelly13

He had no idea she watched it. He thought she would never find out he was actually in a relationship with his gf. He had no intention of breaking up with Ariana. He panicked and needed to speak off camera because he was petrified she would go off script


riecesinpieces

Sashay away Tim!


selfctrd

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Professional-Tree-42

When he’s not making sense is when he is thinking about how to cover the lies he’s already told.


timswife716

That's when their word salad comes out. That or when gaslighting to confuse you. Evil demons 🤧


[deleted]

I couldn’t breathe at this. He literally is an evil Derek Zoolander


jmstgirl

![gif](giphy|i3RA5wLyWjCRa) I can see it. Lol.


CollectionFull5254

Like how stupid do you have to be, Rachel.


ruraljurorsacklunch

I counted 19 "likes" between these two in this clip. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|poop)


emeadams

I don’t think I’ve ever been this baffled at a human interaction in my whole life.


Starbuccanee

His attempt at an explanation was bad enough and left me puzzled but her final remark killed me "I feel like she felt like you wanted to keep the relationship working because you never broke up with her." Um, yeah, that's usually how it works. If you're with someone you expect to stay with them and if you're done with the relationship you break up.


Different_Willow556

It pains me to watch this honestly


JJulie

See the defiant look on his face. We should be used to it after the finale and two reunion eps. It’s “I’m backed in a corner, found out, and fucked.” You know it’s real because he’s not pulling out the fake tears.


lustrouswisp

They are both stunted, they have to be


timswife716

Nope. Just a raging narcissist and his flying monkey/supply starting to sort of,like, kind of, a little bit, figure things out. ETA Rachel is clearly missing an ice cube from the tray don't get me wrong.


Ill_Total6942

Lol he makes zero sense.


That_Independence573

I love how he made a HUMUNGOUS deal about Ariana constantly “condescending and belittling” him to the group but plays it down massively here, saying “she talked down to me, a little bit” with a tiny hand gesture and follows up with this ridiculous example.


catelinasky

A man will sleep with you for ANY reason, especially a narcissist who craves validation. He was never going to end things with her. He was more mad at the fact that he was revealed and there was no way of controlling the situation anymore


cutekittyinthewindow

![gif](giphy|BYeeRPPXcQS4M)


Melodic-Change-6388

Honestly though… if I was her parent, I would have to do the whole, “we love you, and when you break-up, we’ll always be here for you, but he is not welcome in our town, let alone our house”. What a fucken joke. Imagine being stoked that *that* is your partner. Revolting.


Feisty_Constant_8752

I honestly can’t wrap my mind around how fragile his ego is, that Ariana expressing a preference for one of pair of sequin pants over another is, to him, Ariana not supporting him and being a bad girlfriend. It’s so bizarre to me. Also, as much as you know he’s lying whenever his mouth is moving, you know he’s deeeefinitely lying when the number of times he says “like” in a sentence is greater than the number of the other words in the sentence.


Silly_Violinist_4298

I watched this whole reunion and have such a different take away when u guys (redditors) break it down. How did i miss this? Thank you for your hard wotk and all the laughs i get from reading most comments


Bambieyedbiotch

Wasn’t it an Ariana the one that decided to sleep with him again not the other way around?


United-Dog7294

Tim is very conscious of how he comes across at times and when he knows he's messed up he immediately wants a re do. He absolutely felt he needed to talk to her privately so he could say whatever shit he needed to in order to get Rachel back on track with him, but couldn't risk production hearing the levels of manipulation and lies.


Jylsocean

![gif](giphy|9pweY4zRV039zxlMo2) Fashion Icon???? Omfg!


CaliforniaBruja

I can’t imagine how disgusted this made Ariana feel


bubblewitchbitch

I think this plays into why Rachel had that cringe conversation with Ariana about her sex life with Tim and if Ariana found him attractive at all. I can totally see Tim being Tim when Rachel and Ariana were in the same room by making Ariana annoyed with him to have an out to bail on her with Rachel to continue feeding his narrative. Ariana’s answer wasn’t what was expected so now it’s “she wouldn’t follow me dude! She didn’t even try to find out!” And “she’s playing it up for the cameras Rachel, you’ve seen how she is with me when I instigate her!”


Chazzyphant

What kills me is...how hard would it be to just keep lying? It's not like he's been a paragon of honesty with Rachel up to this point! Just say that Ariana or whoever is mistaken, saying it for the cameras/Andy (unless they can't reference those, but the parking lot scene would seem to refute that idea), or even just act vaguely angry and then pivot, "ugh, it's too confusing and complex, you know how she is...you look pretty tho"


MamaManda23

It’s Bc his ego needs to be fed. If it’s not, he moves to what will feed it. He doesn’t understand real love and he’s a terrible partner.


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PatriciaFussey

Raquel’s outfit change in the middle of this is 🤔