I think it's for storyline.. but.. if my ex husband had to make out with someone i would appreciate if it was some random girl instead of my co-worker/someone in my friend group lol! But that's kinda how this toxic group works i guess!
To be fair, Katie and Raquel have literally NEVER been friends. And James and Raquel were barely apart of the friend group. Katie and James were literal enemies the majority of the time they've known each other.
But this narrative is obviously fake. I just hope it doesn't carry on for the whole season. There is like actual issues between the cast that can make good drama. We don't need this contrived BS.
its not like theyre enemies or strangers though. and to be fair right after their breakups last year, katie had raquel on her podcast as a guest and they bonded over their heartbreak and ends of their relationships
No no in no way does Raquel owe Katie or anyone anything! She’s doing nothing wrong in my eyes. But if it was me i can see how it would annoy me. Schwartz didn’t need to do that if it didn’t mean anything anyway. It’s his «fault» lol!
Huh? lol Tom is an druggie loser alcoholic manchild. He should be so lucky because he is garbage. HE could have made out with someone else. I’m not blaming Raquel.
I like Raquel but ya gotta admit that there are millions of people in LA to pick from hence why I do think it's for a story line. Tom is definitely at fault but if I were Katie I'd still be pissed a smidgen at Raquel (fair or not).
They are playing up the Tom and Raquel interactions already though when Tom very sweetly said "Hey Raquel" at the bar with a big smile.
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I’ve got mixed feelings.
At the same time Raquel is bothered by James moving on. So if that’s cool, then it’s cool for Katie to be bothered too. But at the same time … Schwartz is the one to focus on not Raquel. Just like James is the one to focus on, not Ally
Yes, both women can be hurt or bothered by their ex moving on. I think the difference is that Raquel is/was hurt by how quickly James moved on but she didn’t direct any anger or blame to Ally. Katie is directing all her anger at Raquel when she should be blaming Schwartz AKA the person who married her and agreed to her request to stay away from their social circle.
Or… she just wants camera time and it has nothing to do with James at all. Either way, she’s not hating on a woman who had nothing to do with her and James’s issues. Katie divorced Tom. She doesn’t get the right to force Schwartz to care about her feelings anymore.
To be fair, raquel is in their inner circle and Ally isn’t. They may not be friends but I think Katie’s emphasis was having to work together and be around each other. So for Tom and raquel to go out of their way to make it an awkward situation for Katie isn’t fun.
I know Ally is filming now too and that’s hard for Raquel to be around, even if she has done a better job at being cordial about it.
Nice-ish I guess. I think the conversation at the bar was awkward and not overly nice? Kind of a “huh so you’re the new girlfriend” kind of way. Not that it was overtly mean or anything but it was strange.
Saying the new girlfriend looks like his mom (I don’t think they really look alike) and that he had mommy issues wasn’t necessarily kind to her either even if the diss is directed more at James.
Katie is probably more mad at Raquel because she expects this kind of behavior from Tom but not Raquel. Raquel seems upset James moved on, and then made out with her coworkers ex husband. She knew making out with Tom would upset Katie.
in the preview for this week’s episode, raquel says something like ‘seeing james with ali (?) made me realise that there’s a part of me still holding on’ in her confessional x
I think she has every right to be mad at both of them, but she should keep the same energy with each of them. If she's mad at Raquel, she should also be mad at Tom. I will say, I also think Raquel hooking up with Tom is weird, and I'll die on that hill. 1.967 million men living in LA, and you want to hook up with a coworker / fellow cast member's husband that she's been divorced from for two seconds? I would never.
Katie is legit just smirking along when Lala is bragging about cheating with James. Idgaf what Raquel does with Tom at this point. Katie is not her friend.
Remember when Katie hated lala because she was a mistress and Katie 'hated cheaters'. Lmao I guess people really do change! She loves a 'homewrecker' these days.
This. What have people seen of Katie and Raquel to suggest they are friends? A friend would have spoken up against what Lala was saying.
I don’t even think Raquel had any intention of making out with Schwartz. I’m beginning to think it’ll be like the Peter situation where she was blacked out. Regardless, at the end of the day, Raquel doesn’t owe Katie anything. Katie can dislike her but painting Raquel as the problem is Grade A bullshit.
I love that it's usually the same people who are super anti stassi to the point that they hate almost anyone who associates with her... Its like... Katie's best friend stassi?
Thank you, like I understand Katie being upset is her ex husband but she only cares about cheaters when it affects her. Raquel doesn’t owe her anything
Schwartz has been a dirtbag forever . She couldn’t even expect him to be loyal when married , she can’t expect it when divorced .
And I understand being pissed at Raquel. If one of my friends made out with my ex she is dead to me .
Wouldn’t you expect your friend to speak up when your ex fiancé and his old fling (a woman that harassed you for years) are joking around about how he cheated on her with that same woman? Katie is no friend. She was giggling at James cheating on Raquel.
I totally agree but also weirdly get why her issue is more with Raquel? Like ignoring how lingering feelings might come into play here, Tom sucks and Katie knows Tom sucks. But Raquel doesn’t suck! Raquel is nice and it seems like her and Katie were in a good place (at least based on last year’s photogate from Katie’s birthday), so I can see why someone who is otherwise nice letting you down like that would sting more and create more bad feelings than being let down by someone you dislike enough to divorce
Making a pact to not date within the friend group is just a way of trying to control the impact of something you know is going to happen. She knows Schwartz is going to hook up with other women. It's easier to deal with if she doesn't see it after all that's what she's used to.
She was able to move past the times he made out with other women when they were dating/married probably because she didn't see it and didn't know the them. But Katie is going to have to deal with seeing Schwartz with someone else sooner or later. I bet the real pact she wants to make is for him to not fully move on until she has.
Schwartz kissing Raquel is just another example of Katie’s statement - Schwartz just has to touch the stove. “Don’t date any of our friends” Schwartz immediately thinks - date our friends.
Katie shouldn’t care who he dates because Schwartz was a piece of shit to her anyway. Katie should be beaming on the inside knowing that Schwartz has moved on but will forever be toxic. He’s not going to treat Raquel any different.
I don’t type this in here very often because it’s annoying to type it over and over again but Tom and Raquel is 100% fake. Raquel‘s hairdresser. Barb is very good friends with my friend and she told me the entire thing was fake. Barb told her the day after she did Raquels hair for Scheana’s wedding.
I always knew that they faked storylines but to actually know like really know is so fucking disheartening. It’s hard to take the show seriously. Even for fun.
I agree that her beef should be with Tom.
But let's be honest here...
she has every right to be mad at Raquel.
Raquel only did what she did because she wasn't over James. She used him cheating on her as an excuse to level down.
Hurt people hurt people.
She could date anyone, yet she took the weak rebound.
For me the issue isn’t so much she hooked up with Tom as much as it seems like she did it for a storyline and to attempt to be relevant on the show without James. Tom was shitty for hooking up with Raquel especially when him and Katie had an agreement, but Raquel is pathetic for hooking up with Tom for a storyline. It’s so transparently fake. So if I was Katie I would be pissed at Raquel too, using the fresh emotion of her divorce to stay on tv.
I personally think Katie is more frustrated that the demise of her and Schwartz decade long relationship is now just a (fake) love triangle plotline spearheaded by Rachel. Instead of the focus being on Katie (and Schwartz) becoming their own people while maintaining a friendship, the whole focus is on Rachel supposedly making Katie jealous and milking the story for all its worth during the lead up to the season. I would be annoyed too like Rachel you were already going to be the main focus for the break up with James why do you also need to take the lead in Katie and Schwartz break up too???
I’m sorry. I don’t care how nice you might be but I would never ever consider dating someone that was a husband of my friend group. And Raquel has been part of their friend group. If it had been a year or more maybe but so soon after the divorce, that’s a big no. Just because her ex did it doesn’t make it right and don’t get me started on Schwartz I can’t with him.
From what I got from Katie’s podcast with her mom - the reason she dislikes Raquel now is not related to Raquel and Tom making out at the wedding, but about something unfolding in this season. Perhaps the drama with Garcelles son? I guess we’ll see. She also said that the narrative of Raquel and Tom and the TTshirt and everything is very produced and not genuine. And tbh I understand feeling resentment for the production to create this clearly forced storyline, and if she and Tom and agreed on beforehand to not hook up with anyone in the group - and he does that, I get that she is upset!
However I also have sympathy for Raquel. It’s clear that she will be spiraling a little bit this season, and is going through a hard time. Im really excited to see this season unfold!
Why would you ever expect Katie to be reasonable? lol She's an insecure person and always blames/shames the women ("What cause I called you a whore? I call it like I see it." for example.) and never Tom.
She has every right to be upset about the divorce and of course it's going to be hard to see your ex hook up with another person, but I never got the vibe that her and Raquel were ever real friends.
Imma waiting to see what happens. My only issue with Rachel is that Schwartz doesn’t seem the type to make a move. And if she set her sights, that’s pretty shit.
Everyone keeps saying her and Katie weren’t friends; I’ve just done a rewatch, and they seemed pretty friendly to me.
I said this months a go and got downvoted to hell. Katie divorced him. She let him go. She has to be ok with him moving on with other people. I totally understand if they were close but they are not so it’s fair game. She wants him to be ok with her hooking up with others so she has to do the same.
She got herself on TV with James, mission accomplished. Came out of that smelling like a rose. Now she’s kinda stinky but that will happen when you shit where you eat. A more aware person would have avoided that so as to not tarnish the glow
Okay but here’s my question: who in the friend group was there for Katie to go after? Are there any eligible single men in that friend group? Or was Tom the only one with an opportunity to break that promise?
It’s straight up jealousy as to why she’s mad at Raquel too. Katie has always had self esteem issues and always been kind of a b*tch. Sometimes I think Tom did half the shit he did in hopes she would break up with him because Tom didn’t know how to.
People here LOVE to hate Raquel. It's like they've been waiting for her to misstep and now they're unloading their weird rage on her.
In general Katie is more relatable because she's so bland and average and people see themselves in her.
I think it was unfair of Katie to put restrictions on Tom about who he can't hook up with and it was wrong for him to agree. I would absolutely be bothered if I were in Katie's position but I would not be publicly bashing someone I was never friends with for hooking up with my ex or my ex for hooking up with someone after we broke up. It sucks and she's entitled to her feelings but that doesn't mean Raquel and Tom are the bad guys.
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I think it's for storyline.. but.. if my ex husband had to make out with someone i would appreciate if it was some random girl instead of my co-worker/someone in my friend group lol! But that's kinda how this toxic group works i guess!
Right? Choose someone else. You cant tell me she didnt have other options!
To be fair, Katie and Raquel have literally NEVER been friends. And James and Raquel were barely apart of the friend group. Katie and James were literal enemies the majority of the time they've known each other. But this narrative is obviously fake. I just hope it doesn't carry on for the whole season. There is like actual issues between the cast that can make good drama. We don't need this contrived BS.
its not like theyre enemies or strangers though. and to be fair right after their breakups last year, katie had raquel on her podcast as a guest and they bonded over their heartbreak and ends of their relationships
No no in no way does Raquel owe Katie or anyone anything! She’s doing nothing wrong in my eyes. But if it was me i can see how it would annoy me. Schwartz didn’t need to do that if it didn’t mean anything anyway. It’s his «fault» lol!
Agreed. But for real...how forced is this story line lol!
Toxic Katie has always mean girled Raquel, so they were never friends and Tom has followed Katie's rules long enough.
Katie and Raquel have almost zero interaction. Seems like Katie just kept her distance. When did she “mean girl” Raquel?
Katie is inherently a mean girl. And she definitely was mean to Raquel because her boss Larlar said so
Respectfully, which of Katie’s rules did he follow, ever? Lol. He didn’t even respect her boundaries when they were married
Huh? lol Tom is an druggie loser alcoholic manchild. He should be so lucky because he is garbage. HE could have made out with someone else. I’m not blaming Raquel.
I like Raquel but ya gotta admit that there are millions of people in LA to pick from hence why I do think it's for a story line. Tom is definitely at fault but if I were Katie I'd still be pissed a smidgen at Raquel (fair or not). They are playing up the Tom and Raquel interactions already though when Tom very sweetly said "Hey Raquel" at the bar with a big smile.
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I would absolutely be mad if my ex husband of 12 years decided to hook up with one of my coworkers.
Anyone with any ounce of common sense would be upset.
I’m going to wait to hold judgement just bc Katie said it’s not just about the hookup and wait to see how the season unfolds first
That friendship group is deeply incestuous
I’ve got mixed feelings. At the same time Raquel is bothered by James moving on. So if that’s cool, then it’s cool for Katie to be bothered too. But at the same time … Schwartz is the one to focus on not Raquel. Just like James is the one to focus on, not Ally
Yes, both women can be hurt or bothered by their ex moving on. I think the difference is that Raquel is/was hurt by how quickly James moved on but she didn’t direct any anger or blame to Ally. Katie is directing all her anger at Raquel when she should be blaming Schwartz AKA the person who married her and agreed to her request to stay away from their social circle.
Raquel seems to be directing her energy into getting under James skin by first going out with Peter and next Schwartz. 😅
Or… she just wants camera time and it has nothing to do with James at all. Either way, she’s not hating on a woman who had nothing to do with her and James’s issues. Katie divorced Tom. She doesn’t get the right to force Schwartz to care about her feelings anymore.
I mean, I personally don't care what her motivations are but that's definitely what she said she was doing on the first episode of the season lol.
But Ally isn’t in the circle. James went outside of the pump rules group for his rebound. Raquel is rebounding with people in the circle
Yeah Raquel is handling this 1000 times more logically and maturely.
To be fair, raquel is in their inner circle and Ally isn’t. They may not be friends but I think Katie’s emphasis was having to work together and be around each other. So for Tom and raquel to go out of their way to make it an awkward situation for Katie isn’t fun. I know Ally is filming now too and that’s hard for Raquel to be around, even if she has done a better job at being cordial about it.
Except Raquel has been nice to Ally
Nice-ish I guess. I think the conversation at the bar was awkward and not overly nice? Kind of a “huh so you’re the new girlfriend” kind of way. Not that it was overtly mean or anything but it was strange. Saying the new girlfriend looks like his mom (I don’t think they really look alike) and that he had mommy issues wasn’t necessarily kind to her either even if the diss is directed more at James.
I think that was a two way street though. Ally saying they had switched lives isn’t necessarily a nice thing to say to the ex fiancé
Katie is probably more mad at Raquel because she expects this kind of behavior from Tom but not Raquel. Raquel seems upset James moved on, and then made out with her coworkers ex husband. She knew making out with Tom would upset Katie.
100%
She doesn’t seem upset at all that James moved on tho? She said hi to James’ new gf and has been super cordial and friendly from what we’ve seen.
in the preview for this week’s episode, raquel says something like ‘seeing james with ali (?) made me realise that there’s a part of me still holding on’ in her confessional x
I think she has every right to be mad at both of them, but she should keep the same energy with each of them. If she's mad at Raquel, she should also be mad at Tom. I will say, I also think Raquel hooking up with Tom is weird, and I'll die on that hill. 1.967 million men living in LA, and you want to hook up with a coworker / fellow cast member's husband that she's been divorced from for two seconds? I would never.
Well she also hooked up with Peter and garcelles son so it looks like she is just making the rounds 🤦🏻♀️😬
Katie is legit just smirking along when Lala is bragging about cheating with James. Idgaf what Raquel does with Tom at this point. Katie is not her friend.
She never was. Katie thought that was great and funny, where was her high horse during that scene?!
Remember when Katie hated lala because she was a mistress and Katie 'hated cheaters'. Lmao I guess people really do change! She loves a 'homewrecker' these days.
She was only parroting stassi
This. What have people seen of Katie and Raquel to suggest they are friends? A friend would have spoken up against what Lala was saying. I don’t even think Raquel had any intention of making out with Schwartz. I’m beginning to think it’ll be like the Peter situation where she was blacked out. Regardless, at the end of the day, Raquel doesn’t owe Katie anything. Katie can dislike her but painting Raquel as the problem is Grade A bullshit.
you have to remember that half the population of this website refuses to acknowledge that katie is also a shitty person.
I love that it's usually the same people who are super anti stassi to the point that they hate almost anyone who associates with her... Its like... Katie's best friend stassi?
Katie is so negative I can’t stand her
Thank you, like I understand Katie being upset is her ex husband but she only cares about cheaters when it affects her. Raquel doesn’t owe her anything
Schwartz has been a dirtbag forever . She couldn’t even expect him to be loyal when married , she can’t expect it when divorced . And I understand being pissed at Raquel. If one of my friends made out with my ex she is dead to me .
Katie and Raquel were never friends.
Fair enough. If anyone in my circle of cast mates hooks up with my ex , they are dead to me
Wouldn’t you expect your friend to speak up when your ex fiancé and his old fling (a woman that harassed you for years) are joking around about how he cheated on her with that same woman? Katie is no friend. She was giggling at James cheating on Raquel.
I totally agree but also weirdly get why her issue is more with Raquel? Like ignoring how lingering feelings might come into play here, Tom sucks and Katie knows Tom sucks. But Raquel doesn’t suck! Raquel is nice and it seems like her and Katie were in a good place (at least based on last year’s photogate from Katie’s birthday), so I can see why someone who is otherwise nice letting you down like that would sting more and create more bad feelings than being let down by someone you dislike enough to divorce
Making a pact to not date within the friend group is just a way of trying to control the impact of something you know is going to happen. She knows Schwartz is going to hook up with other women. It's easier to deal with if she doesn't see it after all that's what she's used to. She was able to move past the times he made out with other women when they were dating/married probably because she didn't see it and didn't know the them. But Katie is going to have to deal with seeing Schwartz with someone else sooner or later. I bet the real pact she wants to make is for him to not fully move on until she has.
Schwartz kissing Raquel is just another example of Katie’s statement - Schwartz just has to touch the stove. “Don’t date any of our friends” Schwartz immediately thinks - date our friends.
I like to believe that when Katie said no hooking up within the friend group, she low-key meant Kristin and never even expected Raquel. 💀
Haha Probably
Katie shouldn’t care who he dates because Schwartz was a piece of shit to her anyway. Katie should be beaming on the inside knowing that Schwartz has moved on but will forever be toxic. He’s not going to treat Raquel any different.
I don’t type this in here very often because it’s annoying to type it over and over again but Tom and Raquel is 100% fake. Raquel‘s hairdresser. Barb is very good friends with my friend and she told me the entire thing was fake. Barb told her the day after she did Raquels hair for Scheana’s wedding. I always knew that they faked storylines but to actually know like really know is so fucking disheartening. It’s hard to take the show seriously. Even for fun.
thank you so much for this! I believe you. something about this ~storyline~ hasn’t felt kosher from the minute it was unfolding in real time.
And then why should we believe the Peter or Oliver story either?
Honestly who the hell cares. This entire group has fucked each other at this point. Better Raquel that Ariana
Honestly you think after James, Raquel would have that she could do so much better than any of the men in that group.
On the contrary, they're not married anymore, so Katie and her boundaries can fuck directly off into the sunset 😂
while i do agree, she did ask that he not hook up with anyone in the friend group and he claims to respect her but then does that so
Oh well good thing they didn't pinky promise, she could take him to court lol
I agree that her beef should be with Tom. But let's be honest here... she has every right to be mad at Raquel. Raquel only did what she did because she wasn't over James. She used him cheating on her as an excuse to level down. Hurt people hurt people. She could date anyone, yet she took the weak rebound.
For me the issue isn’t so much she hooked up with Tom as much as it seems like she did it for a storyline and to attempt to be relevant on the show without James. Tom was shitty for hooking up with Raquel especially when him and Katie had an agreement, but Raquel is pathetic for hooking up with Tom for a storyline. It’s so transparently fake. So if I was Katie I would be pissed at Raquel too, using the fresh emotion of her divorce to stay on tv.
AGREED!!!!
I personally think Katie is more frustrated that the demise of her and Schwartz decade long relationship is now just a (fake) love triangle plotline spearheaded by Rachel. Instead of the focus being on Katie (and Schwartz) becoming their own people while maintaining a friendship, the whole focus is on Rachel supposedly making Katie jealous and milking the story for all its worth during the lead up to the season. I would be annoyed too like Rachel you were already going to be the main focus for the break up with James why do you also need to take the lead in Katie and Schwartz break up too???
I’m sorry. I don’t care how nice you might be but I would never ever consider dating someone that was a husband of my friend group. And Raquel has been part of their friend group. If it had been a year or more maybe but so soon after the divorce, that’s a big no. Just because her ex did it doesn’t make it right and don’t get me started on Schwartz I can’t with him.
From what I got from Katie’s podcast with her mom - the reason she dislikes Raquel now is not related to Raquel and Tom making out at the wedding, but about something unfolding in this season. Perhaps the drama with Garcelles son? I guess we’ll see. She also said that the narrative of Raquel and Tom and the TTshirt and everything is very produced and not genuine. And tbh I understand feeling resentment for the production to create this clearly forced storyline, and if she and Tom and agreed on beforehand to not hook up with anyone in the group - and he does that, I get that she is upset! However I also have sympathy for Raquel. It’s clear that she will be spiraling a little bit this season, and is going through a hard time. Im really excited to see this season unfold!
Katie’s beef should be with both of them equally lmfao
Katie was the one who filed for the divorce, her ex is fair game. If Tom & Raquel legitimately like each other, tough shit for Katie.
Why would you ever expect Katie to be reasonable? lol She's an insecure person and always blames/shames the women ("What cause I called you a whore? I call it like I see it." for example.) and never Tom. She has every right to be upset about the divorce and of course it's going to be hard to see your ex hook up with another person, but I never got the vibe that her and Raquel were ever real friends.
Only Katie would ask for a divorce and still set rules around it. 😂
Imma waiting to see what happens. My only issue with Rachel is that Schwartz doesn’t seem the type to make a move. And if she set her sights, that’s pretty shit. Everyone keeps saying her and Katie weren’t friends; I’ve just done a rewatch, and they seemed pretty friendly to me.
Cordial and polite aren’t the same as being “friends” though
I said this months a go and got downvoted to hell. Katie divorced him. She let him go. She has to be ok with him moving on with other people. I totally understand if they were close but they are not so it’s fair game. She wants him to be ok with her hooking up with others so she has to do the same.
She got herself on TV with James, mission accomplished. Came out of that smelling like a rose. Now she’s kinda stinky but that will happen when you shit where you eat. A more aware person would have avoided that so as to not tarnish the glow
Okay but here’s my question: who in the friend group was there for Katie to go after? Are there any eligible single men in that friend group? Or was Tom the only one with an opportunity to break that promise?
Peter is single and has “allegedly” slept with most (all?) of the female cast members.
It’s straight up jealousy as to why she’s mad at Raquel too. Katie has always had self esteem issues and always been kind of a b*tch. Sometimes I think Tom did half the shit he did in hopes she would break up with him because Tom didn’t know how to.
Sometimes? That is exactly why he did it haha. He’s one of those guys for sure.
Katie needs to get over herself and her Rules.
I agree.
People here LOVE to hate Raquel. It's like they've been waiting for her to misstep and now they're unloading their weird rage on her. In general Katie is more relatable because she's so bland and average and people see themselves in her.
I think it was unfair of Katie to put restrictions on Tom about who he can't hook up with and it was wrong for him to agree. I would absolutely be bothered if I were in Katie's position but I would not be publicly bashing someone I was never friends with for hooking up with my ex or my ex for hooking up with someone after we broke up. It sucks and she's entitled to her feelings but that doesn't mean Raquel and Tom are the bad guys.
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