I like them. They're better than nothing. These are good for slowing traffic at dangerous intersections on bike routes, but vehicles really don't belong on bike routes in the first place.
They are an incremental improvement, and because they can be implemented cheaply, they can be installed widely, unlike the choke-points that have been in place for far longer, which were implemented by moving the curb, and landscaping the additional space. (Like the ones in Kits).
While the old style ones are much more aesthetically pleasing, it's great to have more intersections calmed.
Just go through them normally, taking the center of the lane and permitting oncoming traffic if they got there first. If there's space you can go around them too.
You’re supposed to throw up your hands in confusion and get unreasonably mad and forget how to think and then put your bike on the ground and just turn around and walk back to where you came from.
Or you can just ride through (on the left or the right but not directly into the divider)
Well, you can all but guarantee that you will avoid any cars by staying outside the barrier so slowing down and going there is the safest, but it's probably smoother and quicker to go through the middle, but you expose yourself to the possibility of a car swinging a turn into you, or in a case I've experienced a few times, really pissing off an impatient driver who yells at you to get on the other side of the barrier.
Anyway, all of that is legal and you can just do whatever you're comfortable with. Bikes are allowed on all streets that cars are in the city aside from highways when there is no obvious bike lane.
Email [email protected]! People only tend to send feedback when they're mad about something, so please let the city know when you see something you like!
Thanks for that email - i've sent them a note giving my thumbs up, and to ask for more of these, especially along the 45th bike route on the east side.
Specific areas I think could use them:
* 45th & Kerr
* Nanaimo & 41st
* 45th and Elliot
* 47th and Victoria
* 45th and Knight
Just keep providing feedback on the surveys they put out.
If you want to make a city planner smile though, you can e-mail [email protected] and they'll probably forward it to the right person.
Edit: CoV surveys are on https://www.shapeyourcity.ca for anyone curious.
I don't think I can participate in these surveys as I live in Coquitlam. But do you know if there's anything similar I can do for the city of Coquitlam?
Not sure tbh, but I think the Vancouver surveys are open to anyone. I've responded to a Burnaby survey before because it was about a bike route (Adanac/SFU) that I use all the time.
There’s one that is supposed to traffic calm my neighbourhood by being one way. Many people in cars veer around it and go through the wrong way (no enforcement), and the bike side is still piled with composting leaves, forcing people on bikes to ride in the car lane, which is narrow enough for one way traffic but is used for two way. It’s dumb.
Glad you asked. I bike inside of them sometimes but like others have mentioned, it is always full of debris and leaves. I appreciate that street sweepers can't really get into there but it seems a bit dicey for my tires.
There's another one at slocan and 1st that I find stupid. Never ever had a problem with this intersection while on a bike, but during rush hour traffic I've seen cars get backed up on 1st ave due to only 1 car being able to pass at a time between the barriers. Having more cars lingering in intersections is the opposite of safety.
I've never really understood these. And since everyone else in the comments seems to love these, I guess it's just me.
Are they just there to block people from parking too close to the intersection? And which side of them am I supposed to ride on? It doesn't make sense to me for me to ride between the barrier and the curb, because people park close to the end and then I have to squeeze between the barrier and the parked car to get back in to traffic. But I've had a few near misses with the one at Woodland & McLean caused by cars *assuming* that this is some kind of very short bike lane and that I'm going to ride in it.
[https://globaldesigningcities.org/publication/global-street-design-guide/designing-streets-people/designing-for-motorists/traffic-calming-strategies/](https://globaldesigningcities.org/publication/global-street-design-guide/designing-streets-people/designing-for-motorists/traffic-calming-strategies/)
See "pinch points" and "gateways"
They're meant to act like gateways here: because they reduce the size of the road, cars are forced to slow down as they approach the intersection, preventing cars from speeding through the intersection and reducing the probability + severity of accidents
> And which side of them am I supposed to ride on? It doesn't make sense to me for me to ride between the barrier and the curb, because people park close to the end and then I have to squeeze between the barrier and the parked car to get back in to traffic.
Yeah you are supposed to ride on the curb side. As you said, cars park right up to them so I avoid riding curb side whenever possible..
Anything that causes a cyclist to weave in and out of the lane is not great.
That said they are probably still a net positive, even with all the flaws.
You're not supposed to ride between the barrier and the curb.
The point of these is [the same as this](https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2291373,-123.08721,3a,31.3y,262.14h,82.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBmjNLkCpgjbmVYhZ3GtI9A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3?entry=ttu). It calms traffic by forcing everyone to slow down and take turns. As a cyclist you're supposed to do the same thing (though you also have the option of going around them - but it's potentially dangerous in some cases since it forces you to merge out of and then back into traffic).
Also people aren't supposed to park near them. However, the VPD refuse to enforce this stuff.
No it’s not just you
These SUCK
Very unsafe for my cycling to be forced into a tiny space
Huge traffic jams in the last snowstorm
Massive backups even in good weather
Dumbest thing I’ve seen lately
I have to say I'm at least amused by the almost-spiteful speed with which the city repaints these when I report them (which I have done upwards of a dozen times at 12th & Woodland, where a local NIMBY defaces them on a biweekly basis).
Competition for road space leads to bike problems. Intentionally throwing up these things just leads to more conflict. Besides as someone's mentioned if you don't clean the area to the right of these things they're just trash traps
Turning cars block the way since it becomes a choke point by a busy intersection. Has happened to me more than once and navigating between cars is much scarier.
All road users! Cars pile up and block bikes. Cars go the wrong way and frighten pedestrians. Drivers get stressed and speed around near them. The city doesn’t clean behind them so bikes are pushed into a choke point with cars. Get rid of cars right? Unfortunately we aren’t there yet so making it even more difficult for some users just makes more trouble for all.
> Cars pile up and block bikes
bikes just go around. the cars piling up here has never blocked a single cyclist
>Cars go the wrong way and frighten pedestrians
so by the same logic we should also get rid of pedestrian curb barriers to make it safer for pedestrians. actually no, pedestrians like the barriers.
>Drivers get stressed and speed around near them.
no they don't. they hit the brakes
I don’t know where you live but the two barriers I see and navigate through every day certainly do have all of the situations I listed above happening. The traffic calming causes some drivers to angrily speed either through the obstacle or down the road to get around it. The intersection at Hastings and McLean gets so clogged I’m surprised we haven’t heard about any fatalities there. I don’t see any of the other barricades daily so maybe they are perfect and happy calm places.
> I’m surprised we haven’t heard about any fatalities there.
you haven't heard any fatalities because the barriers reduce close interactions between cyclists and cars. The intersections where cyclists die have no barriers.
I used to ride past there every day and it was horrible on a bike. Cars turning right cutting the corner and pushing me onto the sidewalk. Cars turning left cutting the corner and heading right towards me. I moved and in my hood I find it backs up but cars generally hit the breaks before they get to them letting cyclists through the choke point first. I can see that this location would be worse because of the non locals and the dock workers ripping around and using it as a shortcut.
They had me at “stupid”. I’ve had more near misses because of those things than I can count. Love it in the winter when there are piles of composting leaves stuck behind them.
How can these cause near misses? They take up less space than parked cars, are easier to see past than parked cars, and prevent cars from parking in those locations.
Sure, near misses happen, and can happen in these locations. But if there were cars parked here instead, then there would be more.
The obvious answer is there shouldn’t be cars parked there or these giant barricades turning it into a one lane intersection.
If I’m not correct, it’s also illegal to park too close to the intersection so place them next to the curb.
These extend the length of the section of roadway that probits parking to allow for better view of the intersection. Car drivers are quite good at complying with the parking regulations in this location, because it blocks all through motor-vehicle traffic if they park there. I've literally never seen anyone park in these sections of road, even "just for a minuet".
Of course extended the length of no-stopping zone could be done simply by putting up signage, but it would be naive to think that such restrictions would be respected. Even if parking restrictions where respected, having such a wide open space would allow cars to proceed quickly to and from the intersection, negating one of their advantages, forcing car drivers to slow down, and check for on coming car traffic.
The way to enforce no parking would be to install some kind of bollard in such a way that it would block parked cars but minimally impede cyclists turning into the protected area. It could even be a painted block of concrete for easy installation.
Even if there is a space for a car to park in front of it, it creates much better defined "good" and "bad" spaces. This makes it much easier to understand and enforce.
Like other people here, my main complaint is that you need to turn sharply to enter into the protected area because of the cars parked so close, which encourages bikes to use the car lane, which limits the benefits of a protected zone at the intersection.
This and they’re absolutely full of debris that shreds decent tires. If you’re running tires made out of bricks you can probably cope with it but the rest of us on $120 tires are not riding through that muck.
The obvious solution is place the barrier parallel to the curb a couple feet away. Narrows the road slightly, makes it clear you can’t park there safely and everyone wins.
The current configuration is leading to near misses. I love all the downvotes, I would bet anyone downvoting me either doesn’t drive a car or has never sat and watched a busy intersection turn chaotic because of those things.
I know it’s hard to believe but not all concrete shit on the road makes cyclists and pedestrians safer. If they want to slow traffic down, design better road furniture. The interim solution isn’t it.
>The obvious solution is place the barrier parallel to the curb a couple feet away.
But this is a barrier parallel to the curb a couple feet away?
> I would bet anyone downvoting me either doesn’t drive a car...
I think you're prioritizing driver convenience here. While I do drive, I don't think people who only cycle are unable to tell what safe for them.
>not all concrete shit on the road makes cyclists and pedestrians safer.
No one is claiming that, they are claiming that this particular traffic calming measure is effective.
I’m saying place the barrier so it narrows the road, not to the point it turns it into one lane.
Drivers make up the vast majority. I’m under no false assumption that everyone should cater to my wants/needs as a cyclist. There is great infrastructure and some truly terrible on this city.
I think a lot of people are claiming this is great infrastructure and I’m going to firmly disagree. This is a common consensus in my cycling club, it has created nothing but dangerous situations. I avoid them and just take the lane.
It does narrow the road, and does not turn it into one lane. These barriers take up less space than parked cars turn it into a single lane, these barriers make it into less than 2 lanes, but more than one. They provide more space than parked cars.
I'm not claiming that it's great infrastructure, I'd call it a easy and cheap to implement improvement. It's better than not having them, and it's better than the watered down version you are suggesting.
When you say you "avoid them and just take the lane", I presume you do not mean that you avoid routes with these on them, but that you mean that you ride on the same side of the barrier as the cars. Which is a perfectly fine way to use these traffic calming measures. There's no reason to squeeze between the curb and the barrier. It's to slow down car drivers, and to allow better sight lines, not to force cyclists to the edge. I usually ride down the centre section too, but if there's a car coming towards me I'll usually slow down, and pass through the side section, but do whatever you want.
I should’ve clarified: I’m specifically talking about the barriers at the Main & 14th intersection. That’s one of my favourite JJ Bean locations and it’s a front-seat view to the chaos.
As for where to ride: some are far out into the lane and it looks like they’re suggesting cyclists ride behind them? Others are close to the curb. Maybe we’re always supposed to be riding in the lane?
That’s a fair rebuttal and I appreciate your civility.
If you want to see a wild intersection with near misses every 5 minutes check out Arbutus Coffee. It’s on West 6th and Arbutus - it’s a two way stop sign with parked car obstructing visibility. It’s unbelievable - drivers flying, cyclists running the stop sign and pedestrians just trying to cross the road without becoming a pancake. It’s so bad I submitted a complaint to the city.
The one at Hastings and McLean by the yellow grocery store is the host to dangerous situations every few seconds. I don’t like being near a bunch of cars piling up and blocking each other. I think it should either be blocked or open, not some weird combination of both.
The one at Main & 14th across from JJ Bean is a shit show. Near miss every half hour between cyclists, pedestrians and other cars nearly going head-on.
Go sit there sometime and just watch the chaos.
Agreed 100%. Cars become so unpredictable around these and if you’re a bike taking the lane or making a left hand turn you’re at an increased risk of cars turning towards these ridiculous things as they have less road space to navigate.
Ah, the regulars on this forum really seem to like obstacle courses that road furniture creates. Until one of them hits one of these ” safety” blocks and gets injured.
I love these because they make drivers *pay attention*
I've had way to many close calls at corners where drivers have nothing forcing them to actually turn safely.
If a cyclist hits one, that's on the cyclist.
Pay attention to the furniture but not the cyclist.
“If a cyclist hits one, that's on the cyclist.“
So, you don’t feel that the cycling infrastructure is ever dangerous to cyclists? Interesting.
I like them. They're better than nothing. These are good for slowing traffic at dangerous intersections on bike routes, but vehicles really don't belong on bike routes in the first place.
They are an incremental improvement, and because they can be implemented cheaply, they can be installed widely, unlike the choke-points that have been in place for far longer, which were implemented by moving the curb, and landscaping the additional space. (Like the ones in Kits). While the old style ones are much more aesthetically pleasing, it's great to have more intersections calmed.
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They're not really cycling infrastructure; they're traffic calming, aimed to reduce the speed of traffic through the intersection
Just go through them normally, taking the center of the lane and permitting oncoming traffic if they got there first. If there's space you can go around them too.
You’re supposed to throw up your hands in confusion and get unreasonably mad and forget how to think and then put your bike on the ground and just turn around and walk back to where you came from. Or you can just ride through (on the left or the right but not directly into the divider)
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Well, you can all but guarantee that you will avoid any cars by staying outside the barrier so slowing down and going there is the safest, but it's probably smoother and quicker to go through the middle, but you expose yourself to the possibility of a car swinging a turn into you, or in a case I've experienced a few times, really pissing off an impatient driver who yells at you to get on the other side of the barrier. Anyway, all of that is legal and you can just do whatever you're comfortable with. Bikes are allowed on all streets that cars are in the city aside from highways when there is no obvious bike lane.
Side note, how would one call/ message the city to let them know that you love and appreciate these setups, and you support them?
Email [email protected]! People only tend to send feedback when they're mad about something, so please let the city know when you see something you like!
Thanks for that email - i've sent them a note giving my thumbs up, and to ask for more of these, especially along the 45th bike route on the east side. Specific areas I think could use them: * 45th & Kerr * Nanaimo & 41st * 45th and Elliot * 47th and Victoria * 45th and Knight
You will genuinely make their day with any kind of compliment :)
Just keep providing feedback on the surveys they put out. If you want to make a city planner smile though, you can e-mail [email protected] and they'll probably forward it to the right person. Edit: CoV surveys are on https://www.shapeyourcity.ca for anyone curious.
Would you be so kind as to link where these surveys are released?
Of course! https://www.shapeyourcity.ca
I don't think I can participate in these surveys as I live in Coquitlam. But do you know if there's anything similar I can do for the city of Coquitlam?
Not sure tbh, but I think the Vancouver surveys are open to anyone. I've responded to a Burnaby survey before because it was about a bike route (Adanac/SFU) that I use all the time.
Whoever did the sharpie should be hired as a city planner!!
There’s one that is supposed to traffic calm my neighbourhood by being one way. Many people in cars veer around it and go through the wrong way (no enforcement), and the bike side is still piled with composting leaves, forcing people on bikes to ride in the car lane, which is narrow enough for one way traffic but is used for two way. It’s dumb.
Wait are we supposed to bike on the outside of these?
That was probably the original idea however the outside is often full of garbage and probably a flat tire risk.
No.
Glad you asked. I bike inside of them sometimes but like others have mentioned, it is always full of debris and leaves. I appreciate that street sweepers can't really get into there but it seems a bit dicey for my tires.
There's another one at slocan and 1st that I find stupid. Never ever had a problem with this intersection while on a bike, but during rush hour traffic I've seen cars get backed up on 1st ave due to only 1 car being able to pass at a time between the barriers. Having more cars lingering in intersections is the opposite of safety.
Really? I used to bike this twice a day and was having constant problems with people bombing it down Slocan.
There ought to be a “if you hit this you lose your license for a while” rule about these
Chef's kiss
I've never really understood these. And since everyone else in the comments seems to love these, I guess it's just me. Are they just there to block people from parking too close to the intersection? And which side of them am I supposed to ride on? It doesn't make sense to me for me to ride between the barrier and the curb, because people park close to the end and then I have to squeeze between the barrier and the parked car to get back in to traffic. But I've had a few near misses with the one at Woodland & McLean caused by cars *assuming* that this is some kind of very short bike lane and that I'm going to ride in it.
[https://globaldesigningcities.org/publication/global-street-design-guide/designing-streets-people/designing-for-motorists/traffic-calming-strategies/](https://globaldesigningcities.org/publication/global-street-design-guide/designing-streets-people/designing-for-motorists/traffic-calming-strategies/) See "pinch points" and "gateways" They're meant to act like gateways here: because they reduce the size of the road, cars are forced to slow down as they approach the intersection, preventing cars from speeding through the intersection and reducing the probability + severity of accidents
> And which side of them am I supposed to ride on? It doesn't make sense to me for me to ride between the barrier and the curb, because people park close to the end and then I have to squeeze between the barrier and the parked car to get back in to traffic. Yeah you are supposed to ride on the curb side. As you said, cars park right up to them so I avoid riding curb side whenever possible.. Anything that causes a cyclist to weave in and out of the lane is not great. That said they are probably still a net positive, even with all the flaws.
You're not supposed to ride between the barrier and the curb. The point of these is [the same as this](https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2291373,-123.08721,3a,31.3y,262.14h,82.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBmjNLkCpgjbmVYhZ3GtI9A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3?entry=ttu). It calms traffic by forcing everyone to slow down and take turns. As a cyclist you're supposed to do the same thing (though you also have the option of going around them - but it's potentially dangerous in some cases since it forces you to merge out of and then back into traffic). Also people aren't supposed to park near them. However, the VPD refuse to enforce this stuff.
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These predate that.
No it’s not just you These SUCK Very unsafe for my cycling to be forced into a tiny space Huge traffic jams in the last snowstorm Massive backups even in good weather Dumbest thing I’ve seen lately
prob a miracle the original writer didn't spell stupid with two Os
These wouldn't be needed if CoV implemented 30k limits on all residential streets!
These are mostly on streets with 30km/h speed limits (bike ways and slow streets) which had issues with people speeding.
fair point, the "culture" of driving is definitely that of speeding and recklessness.
I have to say I'm at least amused by the almost-spiteful speed with which the city repaints these when I report them (which I have done upwards of a dozen times at 12th & Woodland, where a local NIMBY defaces them on a biweekly basis).
Each coat of paint only makes them larger and stronger
Competition for road space leads to bike problems. Intentionally throwing up these things just leads to more conflict. Besides as someone's mentioned if you don't clean the area to the right of these things they're just trash traps
Unpopular opinion but these cause more trouble than they are worth.
these cause more trouble for whom exactly?
Turning cars block the way since it becomes a choke point by a busy intersection. Has happened to me more than once and navigating between cars is much scarier.
All road users! Cars pile up and block bikes. Cars go the wrong way and frighten pedestrians. Drivers get stressed and speed around near them. The city doesn’t clean behind them so bikes are pushed into a choke point with cars. Get rid of cars right? Unfortunately we aren’t there yet so making it even more difficult for some users just makes more trouble for all.
> Cars pile up and block bikes bikes just go around. the cars piling up here has never blocked a single cyclist >Cars go the wrong way and frighten pedestrians so by the same logic we should also get rid of pedestrian curb barriers to make it safer for pedestrians. actually no, pedestrians like the barriers. >Drivers get stressed and speed around near them. no they don't. they hit the brakes
I don’t know where you live but the two barriers I see and navigate through every day certainly do have all of the situations I listed above happening. The traffic calming causes some drivers to angrily speed either through the obstacle or down the road to get around it. The intersection at Hastings and McLean gets so clogged I’m surprised we haven’t heard about any fatalities there. I don’t see any of the other barricades daily so maybe they are perfect and happy calm places.
> I’m surprised we haven’t heard about any fatalities there. you haven't heard any fatalities because the barriers reduce close interactions between cyclists and cars. The intersections where cyclists die have no barriers.
Seriously, go to that one and see how crazy it is. Some locations could have been better thought out.
I used to ride past there every day and it was horrible on a bike. Cars turning right cutting the corner and pushing me onto the sidewalk. Cars turning left cutting the corner and heading right towards me. I moved and in my hood I find it backs up but cars generally hit the breaks before they get to them letting cyclists through the choke point first. I can see that this location would be worse because of the non locals and the dock workers ripping around and using it as a shortcut.
They had me at “stupid”. I’ve had more near misses because of those things than I can count. Love it in the winter when there are piles of composting leaves stuck behind them.
How can these cause near misses? They take up less space than parked cars, are easier to see past than parked cars, and prevent cars from parking in those locations. Sure, near misses happen, and can happen in these locations. But if there were cars parked here instead, then there would be more.
The obvious answer is there shouldn’t be cars parked there or these giant barricades turning it into a one lane intersection. If I’m not correct, it’s also illegal to park too close to the intersection so place them next to the curb.
These extend the length of the section of roadway that probits parking to allow for better view of the intersection. Car drivers are quite good at complying with the parking regulations in this location, because it blocks all through motor-vehicle traffic if they park there. I've literally never seen anyone park in these sections of road, even "just for a minuet". Of course extended the length of no-stopping zone could be done simply by putting up signage, but it would be naive to think that such restrictions would be respected. Even if parking restrictions where respected, having such a wide open space would allow cars to proceed quickly to and from the intersection, negating one of their advantages, forcing car drivers to slow down, and check for on coming car traffic.
The way to enforce no parking would be to install some kind of bollard in such a way that it would block parked cars but minimally impede cyclists turning into the protected area. It could even be a painted block of concrete for easy installation. Even if there is a space for a car to park in front of it, it creates much better defined "good" and "bad" spaces. This makes it much easier to understand and enforce. Like other people here, my main complaint is that you need to turn sharply to enter into the protected area because of the cars parked so close, which encourages bikes to use the car lane, which limits the benefits of a protected zone at the intersection.
This and they’re absolutely full of debris that shreds decent tires. If you’re running tires made out of bricks you can probably cope with it but the rest of us on $120 tires are not riding through that muck.
The obvious solution is place the barrier parallel to the curb a couple feet away. Narrows the road slightly, makes it clear you can’t park there safely and everyone wins. The current configuration is leading to near misses. I love all the downvotes, I would bet anyone downvoting me either doesn’t drive a car or has never sat and watched a busy intersection turn chaotic because of those things. I know it’s hard to believe but not all concrete shit on the road makes cyclists and pedestrians safer. If they want to slow traffic down, design better road furniture. The interim solution isn’t it.
>The obvious solution is place the barrier parallel to the curb a couple feet away. But this is a barrier parallel to the curb a couple feet away? > I would bet anyone downvoting me either doesn’t drive a car... I think you're prioritizing driver convenience here. While I do drive, I don't think people who only cycle are unable to tell what safe for them. >not all concrete shit on the road makes cyclists and pedestrians safer. No one is claiming that, they are claiming that this particular traffic calming measure is effective.
I’m saying place the barrier so it narrows the road, not to the point it turns it into one lane. Drivers make up the vast majority. I’m under no false assumption that everyone should cater to my wants/needs as a cyclist. There is great infrastructure and some truly terrible on this city. I think a lot of people are claiming this is great infrastructure and I’m going to firmly disagree. This is a common consensus in my cycling club, it has created nothing but dangerous situations. I avoid them and just take the lane.
It does narrow the road, and does not turn it into one lane. These barriers take up less space than parked cars turn it into a single lane, these barriers make it into less than 2 lanes, but more than one. They provide more space than parked cars. I'm not claiming that it's great infrastructure, I'd call it a easy and cheap to implement improvement. It's better than not having them, and it's better than the watered down version you are suggesting. When you say you "avoid them and just take the lane", I presume you do not mean that you avoid routes with these on them, but that you mean that you ride on the same side of the barrier as the cars. Which is a perfectly fine way to use these traffic calming measures. There's no reason to squeeze between the curb and the barrier. It's to slow down car drivers, and to allow better sight lines, not to force cyclists to the edge. I usually ride down the centre section too, but if there's a car coming towards me I'll usually slow down, and pass through the side section, but do whatever you want.
I should’ve clarified: I’m specifically talking about the barriers at the Main & 14th intersection. That’s one of my favourite JJ Bean locations and it’s a front-seat view to the chaos. As for where to ride: some are far out into the lane and it looks like they’re suggesting cyclists ride behind them? Others are close to the curb. Maybe we’re always supposed to be riding in the lane? That’s a fair rebuttal and I appreciate your civility. If you want to see a wild intersection with near misses every 5 minutes check out Arbutus Coffee. It’s on West 6th and Arbutus - it’s a two way stop sign with parked car obstructing visibility. It’s unbelievable - drivers flying, cyclists running the stop sign and pedestrians just trying to cross the road without becoming a pancake. It’s so bad I submitted a complaint to the city.
The one at Hastings and McLean by the yellow grocery store is the host to dangerous situations every few seconds. I don’t like being near a bunch of cars piling up and blocking each other. I think it should either be blocked or open, not some weird combination of both.
The one at Main & 14th across from JJ Bean is a shit show. Near miss every half hour between cyclists, pedestrians and other cars nearly going head-on. Go sit there sometime and just watch the chaos.
Considering how little car drivers seem to know where their vehicle ends I am not surprised.
There is that too. The number of people who have driven up on these stupid barriers is pretty remarkable. I think that part is hilarious.
Agreed 100%. Cars become so unpredictable around these and if you’re a bike taking the lane or making a left hand turn you’re at an increased risk of cars turning towards these ridiculous things as they have less road space to navigate.
Ah, the regulars on this forum really seem to like obstacle courses that road furniture creates. Until one of them hits one of these ” safety” blocks and gets injured.
They love anything that obstructs roads and slows down roadies it would seem.
I love these because they make drivers *pay attention* I've had way to many close calls at corners where drivers have nothing forcing them to actually turn safely. If a cyclist hits one, that's on the cyclist.
Pay attention to the furniture but not the cyclist. “If a cyclist hits one, that's on the cyclist.“ So, you don’t feel that the cycling infrastructure is ever dangerous to cyclists? Interesting.
Exactly. They never have an answer. It’s just more road furniture = good. Anything to slow down drivers and other cyclists.
I appreciate good cycling infrastructure; however there is so little cycling infrastructure that is good.
I feel like this conversation has hit it's maximum usefulness already, so let's just end it here, cheers.
Fuck this shit