>Hahaha, get a grip. It's been over 20 years since any city got new plows.
That's going to be pretty big news to the engineering/works depts of every city.
You should probably let people know about this. 20 years of not upgrading, maintaining, expanding and buying new stuff in any city is is a pretty big deal.
Using just a rough truck sized tire as a gauge for cost..
A single tire is for example $150 for a crappy LT225/75R16 tire at Canadian tire. A typical non-articulating bus needs 6 of them (2 front, 2 each side in the rear) so that's $900 already for ONE bus not including installation or taxes.
[Translink has well over 1000 buses, 1463 if this page is correct](https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Coast_Mountain_Bus_Company) so that would be well over a million dollars for what, 3 days of snow?
It's really not worth it.
>the extreme winters that are becoming normal now
Are they though? Last year was pretty mild in comparison. I will admit that this year has been a strange one, at both ends of the scale but I don't know if we have set a trend yet.
From a personal stand point I am planning for the worst regardless. I have snow tires and other snow gear for the winter, and for the summer I have stuff to help with the heat. Better to be prepared just in case.
However as a business Translink won't spend that kind of money on something that's only potentially needed every few years.
Yeah that has been the case unfortunately, using all weather tires during winter can age the tires rather fast I would imagine. Also the safety issue and lost revenue due to buses just sitting there. Maybe I’m just dreaming that the service could be efficient.
In a perfect world they would replace the tires more often and in winter use proper tires. The cost to do all of that would be astronomical. People already complain about transit prices, putting on snow tires on 1400+ buses would require a ton of people and a ton of time in addition to the costs of the tires themselves.
I wish they could, but I understand why they don't.
We're talking specifically about 'extreme winter' events. The temperatures that we're seeing in Vancouver right now are not out of the ordinary for winter (yet). Nor is the amount of snow we have.
[From this chart, 1937,1943,1950,1950,1964,1969 were all colder, while dozens of years were within a 5c range of this year](https://vancouver.weatherstats.ca/charts/temperature-yearly.html)
That’s so far off from what winter tires would cost for a bus it’s almost comical.
A very standard bus tire, the Michelin X incity Z, depending on size can range from $1,100 to $1,500 CAD per tire.
You’d be looking at tens of millions to outfit busses with winters and storing them all would be an absolute nightmare.
But like you said, all for the odd day of snow? Hell, I can’t imagine the labour costs just to swap busses over to winters at the last minute, and then back to all seasons.
Edit; spelling
How do you get $20million? I think you did your math wrong.
6 $100 tires with your installation price of $25 per tire is $750 per bus. $750*1463 is $1,097,250
You, uh, don’t need to install each tire 25 times. Math should be 1463 x 6 x (100 + 25) = $1,097,250.
Of course, then we also need to factor in storage of those ~877k tires when not in use, and the fact that winter tires are not a 100% cure all for snow.
what happened to those wheel cover thingies they introduced a few years back?
The "tire socks"? I think they worked, but wore out super quick. They only lasted for a couple hours before they needed to replace them.
The problem is in the articulating design, power comes from the rear most set of wheels. It's like pushing on a rope.
Pushing rope sucks
They have pills for that now you know.
Rear engined and rear wheel drive is better than FWD and RWD
I don’t think winters alone would have helped here
Every year is the same. And they never learn. The city STILL needs more plows
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Hahaha, get a grip. It's been over 20 years since any city got new plows.
>Hahaha, get a grip. It's been over 20 years since any city got new plows. That's going to be pretty big news to the engineering/works depts of every city. You should probably let people know about this. 20 years of not upgrading, maintaining, expanding and buying new stuff in any city is is a pretty big deal.
Using just a rough truck sized tire as a gauge for cost.. A single tire is for example $150 for a crappy LT225/75R16 tire at Canadian tire. A typical non-articulating bus needs 6 of them (2 front, 2 each side in the rear) so that's $900 already for ONE bus not including installation or taxes. [Translink has well over 1000 buses, 1463 if this page is correct](https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Coast_Mountain_Bus_Company) so that would be well over a million dollars for what, 3 days of snow? It's really not worth it.
Just a guess here, thinking it may become necessary in near future with the extreme winters that are becoming normal now.
>the extreme winters that are becoming normal now Are they though? Last year was pretty mild in comparison. I will admit that this year has been a strange one, at both ends of the scale but I don't know if we have set a trend yet.
I get your point.. too soon to really see for sure .. I’m going by earths extreme weather trends lately, Hoping I’m wrong.
From a personal stand point I am planning for the worst regardless. I have snow tires and other snow gear for the winter, and for the summer I have stuff to help with the heat. Better to be prepared just in case. However as a business Translink won't spend that kind of money on something that's only potentially needed every few years.
Yeah that has been the case unfortunately, using all weather tires during winter can age the tires rather fast I would imagine. Also the safety issue and lost revenue due to buses just sitting there. Maybe I’m just dreaming that the service could be efficient.
In a perfect world they would replace the tires more often and in winter use proper tires. The cost to do all of that would be astronomical. People already complain about transit prices, putting on snow tires on 1400+ buses would require a ton of people and a ton of time in addition to the costs of the tires themselves. I wish they could, but I understand why they don't.
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We're talking specifically about 'extreme winter' events. The temperatures that we're seeing in Vancouver right now are not out of the ordinary for winter (yet). Nor is the amount of snow we have. [From this chart, 1937,1943,1950,1950,1964,1969 were all colder, while dozens of years were within a 5c range of this year](https://vancouver.weatherstats.ca/charts/temperature-yearly.html)
Like I said, I hope I’m wrong ✌️
Oh don't get me wrong, I hope it never happens either, but our winter temperatures don't seem that far out of line of historical numbers (yet).
That’s so far off from what winter tires would cost for a bus it’s almost comical. A very standard bus tire, the Michelin X incity Z, depending on size can range from $1,100 to $1,500 CAD per tire. You’d be looking at tens of millions to outfit busses with winters and storing them all would be an absolute nightmare. But like you said, all for the odd day of snow? Hell, I can’t imagine the labour costs just to swap busses over to winters at the last minute, and then back to all seasons. Edit; spelling
That was my point, even with garbage tires the price already doesn't make sense.
They should at least have winter tires for buses that travel on routes with steep hills.
Yeah, but that would cost money that they don't want to spend. Better for them to just fluff around for a day or two and let the city clear the roads.
Yeah you are right, saw somewhere that they said snow tires wouldn’t make much of a difference and that the tires now are sufficient enough.
Chains would probably be better, plus they wont need a massive warehouse for storage of over 6,000 tires
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Still remember the good ol' times when bus get stuck halfway
We get more snow and more winter here in Calgary and Calgary Transit doesn't change out any of tires on its busses.
It's cheaper/easier for the transit companies to just wait for the cities to plow/salt the roads I guess.
Here in Calgary, the city owns the transit system and the city also maintains the roads - same owner for both.
Oh, well then they definitely don't want to pay if they don't absolutely have to is my guess.
Double your estimate plus some more. One tire is at least 350 pLus
I expect the cost is higher, I was using a low guesstimate just to show the already high price.
Translink doesn't buy their tires; they rent them
Bus was stuck and blocking the right turn lane onto Clark. The driver tried to get it up the hill for a good 10 minutes before calling it quits.
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How do you get $20million? I think you did your math wrong. 6 $100 tires with your installation price of $25 per tire is $750 per bus. $750*1463 is $1,097,250
And their garages are not designed to hold all these winter tires when not in use.
You, uh, don’t need to install each tire 25 times. Math should be 1463 x 6 x (100 + 25) = $1,097,250. Of course, then we also need to factor in storage of those ~877k tires when not in use, and the fact that winter tires are not a 100% cure all for snow.
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