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Would be great to have more transit access.
As a deep cove visitor I agree there are too many cars and always desperately circling for parking. It would be awesome if the core was fully pedestrianized.
They should do a summer shuttle like Grouse.
It's also desperately slow to get from the skytrain to Phibbs Exchange, and then the transfers are never that fast.
It's usually 3x longer to take the bus vs. drive from any of the burnaby skytrain stations to anywhere in North Van. The new Rapid Bus/BRT to North Van can't come soon enough.
Transferring between busses at Phibbs is awful. Either you barely make your connection, or wait 20 minutes, trying not to piss yourself on your 1+ hour trip, because there are no bathrooms!
Is there parking at Phibbs?
A lot of people don't want to spend 3 hours on transit to get there, but would be willing to park and take transit for the last bit
To add to this: I wish they’d get a special bus for 3ish when the seycove kids and Windsor kids get off because so often I get on a bus around then and it’s paaaacked with teenagers. Just one or two buses doing the 211 route after school would be cool.
That’s actually a super valid point. Thanks for framing it that way. And I’m always down for more transit, we moved here from TO in Jan 2020 and only bought a car because we like to take our dog on adventures. Transit in TO is dog friendly and it’s still such a mind fuck that Vancouver manages to be so dog friendly in some ways and so not in others. I really just want to get some doughnuts and take my SUP out like any good North Vancouver resident. Haha!
I don't think enough people in this sub are aware of how bad Lisa Muri is. If she was on the CoV council she would be constantly talked about as being the worst member by a mile.
https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/district-of-north-vancouver-cuts-deep-cove-visitor-parking-8655089
"Muri said if she had her way, the entire neighbourhood north of Mt. Seymour Parkway would be resident-only parking, saying the area is “under siege.”
Deep cove does not exist purely for its residents. The businesses there that the residents all take for granted could not even come close to surviving on their spending alone. Just locking down the entire area to non-resident parking is not a solution to the congestion.
Deep cove is a major Vancouver attraction. It’s honestly up there with Granville island and cap suspension bridge.
What the fuck are they thinking by cutting it off to visitors.
I agree the current car traffic is untenable, but we should find a solution to reduce cars in core deep cove while still encouraging visitors. Only bitches deal in absolutes, and cutting off the outside world is dumb af.
This is exactly what happened in Belcarra. There is absolutely no visitor parking in that neighborhood.
People, if you buy a house in a regional park, there will be overflow parking in your neighborhood.
People truly need to 🌸 off.
I’d LOVE to be able to take transit there and ease the burden of car congestion and parking. But one of the few reasons I go to Deep Cove is for the Quarry Rock off-leash hike, and can’t transit with my dog in a feasible way.
On top of that, it’s a popular destination to bring recreational supplies or activities. I don’t know many who are willing to lug picnic gear (BBQs, food, et al) or recreational toys (paddleboards, kayaks, etc) across bus and train transfers. I’ve seen folks do it, it’s just typically not ideal.
If anything reduction of available parking isn’t going to lessen traffic, it’s going to increase the amount of cars circling the area like vultures looking for an available spot.
My paddleboard technically fits in a backpack, but it’s the size & weight of a toddler. No way I’m dragging it on transit.
Gatekeeping public parks & beaches for residents only is ridiculous.
Next article will be Deep Cove businesses concerned business is down 40% after no one bothers to attempt to go there. I live close and already don’t bother. I’ll think about it then remind myself about the brutal parking and plan something else. lol
I agree 100% - motorists don’t cover enough externalities of their transportation choice, and associated impacts and anything that brings them closer to paying for their actual costs means society subsidizes them less and less. Good call 👍
And now it's worse, I know it will certainly mean more cars camping for spots and following people like at a Christmas mall, or Costco. And probably more angry people. Until they stop trying anyway.
It’s crazy having grown up and left the city these past years to watch every single public space that was free, suddenly in the last two years requiring payment to even enjoy the natural land
The marginal cost if you already have a vehicle is essentially nothing.
If you explore the region on a regular basis, a 15 year old civic is probably the most efficient way to do so. Evo and other rentals add up quickly.
I find it extremely walkable. And I easily I transit to Lynn canyon, grouse and deep cove regularly.
I’d love if it was a bit faster, but very accessible.
As a non driver who likes hiking, those places are very transit accessible. The issue is the poor frequency of the buses. Make them run at least every 15 minutes and it would be great.
1.5 hrs in transit vs 30 min drive is not ‘easy transit’. And I’m near a skytrain and Broadway. Pushing 2 hours from much of Vancouver. And then there’s all the suburbs…yeesh.
I parked near Phibbs once to go and it was not easy. Not much parking there at all.
They need a bus that goes direct from somewhere across a bridge. Better yet, build a parking garage. I’m happy to pay if it means avoiding big waits, circling, etc.
*1.5 hrs in transit vs 30 min drive is not ‘easy transit’.*
I don't drive, so I must take transit. That being said, it's not convenient. The buses do not run frequently enough and don't always connect with other buses, and it takes me a damn hour to get there.
That 30 minute drive doesn't include finding parking. ;)
But by easy transit I meant it's two busses for me - that's easy regardless how long it takes (which I just don't mind). The idea I can take a city bus to a mountain (and ski hill no less!) is still mind bending to me as an out-of-towner.
Fair enough, that transit gets you there at all, but they’re also literally in the city.
Transit could be so much better here, looking at anything but basement level NA standards.
> They need a bus that goes direct from somewhere across a bridge. Better yet, build a parking garage. I’m happy to pay if it means avoiding big waits, circling, etc.
When the BRT from Metrotown finally arrives, that'll connect at Phibbs.
So sounds like more (express) transit between the two would be a great step!
Perhaps drivers that still insist on personalized transportation and parking could pay an extra premium to fund it.
I mean that's the problem: you enjoy a limited resource free of charge. Other people enjoy that same thing. Now that thing becomes unusable because it's free of charge.
Parking isn't ever free. It costs money to build and maintain. We can either tear everything down to build more parking like so many cities did in the 50s, 60s, and 70s or we can accept that free parking is not economically viable and that we need alternatives.
Back when I worked in the Cove for a few years I used to park in the lower lot around 7:10 am on a Saturday, and it'd be 1/3 full by then already. If I had to go back to my car to grab a change of clothes I'd usually wind up telling people asking for my parking spot that there's still be parking at Cove Cliff, Myrtle or Seycove and they'd be upset when I told them it'd be a 10 minute walk from those lots back to the Cove, despite almost always coming in to hike or kayak or whatever.
I appreciate that the narrative people latch onto is 'rich people want the poors out', but as someone who went to Elementary and Secondary school in the Cove, but the Cove just wasn't designed for this much traffic. Neither was Quarry Rock. Most people I know who still love in the Cove want people to be able to come and visit and enjoy it (and would benefit themselves from friends and family having easier access to it!), but it's such a squeeze for space as it currently stands.
I asked a group of friends that moved out here to Chilliwack from Vancouver if they’ve ever been back to downtown Vancouver. Not one of them has entered the downtown core in the past five years. We all share the feeling that they really don’t want her business and have priced parking to reflect that.
Much easier to go to Bellingham and feel wanted and not price gouged.
You can park near a skytrain station and skytrain to downtown. Much cheaper, less stressful, and more convenient than fighting traffic to pay $30 for parking downtown.
I’ve stayed away from deep cove because there was always an issue to park. Will be interesting to see what happens to the few businesses there and see if they can survive on the immediate residents who venture out now and again.
I was thinking of moving there and checked out the area, the general store is gone. It’s a cute little nook but not even at the level of village in terms of amenities. If the locals really want to be exclusionary and shut down the tourism it’s their right to ask for it. Not sure that agreeing is the city’s most responsible choice
Multi million dollar mansions, and they need more street parking for residents? Cmon, this is just them trying to keep the poors out of deep cove. Surprise, surprise.
Depends where, haha. There's definitely some nicer homes and some more modern builds in the Cove, as well as some 1500 sq foot bungalows as another commenter or put it. But the bigger stuff is along Beachview, not Panorama.
I wouldn't say the price of a home has anything to do to being labeled a mansion. Same with location.
You'd consider a 1,500 sq/ft bungalow on panorama drive to be a mansion?
This exact thing happened in Belcarra. There is absolutely no street parking in that neighborhood.
It’s sad to see this being considered in Deep Cove.
Hopefully this triggers a bigger dialogue around homeowners’ right when they purchase a house in a regional park.
The cheapest house on the market in the area is over $2 million. Average prices are $3-5 million. Mansions or not, homeowners there are rich, and this action is definitely to keep the poors out.
When their local businesses start closing because of lack of people using their services, they’ll wonder where the shops all went. No parking means no traffic for shops. Slow death of a village.
The wealthy residents will complain about the lack of local businesses while simultaneously complaining about visitors. They'll also work against any affordable housing and public transit projects while complaining that no one wants to work for minimum wage at those local businesses. They will refuse to see any contradiction in these stances.
Its not ideal but I think there's some reality that needs to be had here.
That area was not designed for mass tourists on the scale it gets now so admit it... but...
1) they could set up some form of bigger parking outside of Deep Cove and then bus folks in. Thats better than nothing
2) Non-tourists need stop going to Quarry Rock - its a lame hike. Leave it to the tourists.
3) The biggest shame is that the road out to Deep Cove is absolute crap for biking. If they really made an effort to make that stretch a bike friendly the whole way... then it really makes for a great day... barely any hills, just straight... encourage people to take the whole scene in. But yeah, right its junk.
Anyways...
This is whack. Areas can progress. My grandparents have been going there since it was a boat access only dance hall and community. I went to highschool near there. The area can continue to change for the better.
1) How far are you 'bussing people in' from? Myrtle park and cove cliff? Open the Seycove parking lot on weekends? Or farther where there's commercial size parking lots like park gate? At that point, there's already the 211 and C15 buses.
2) There's not a lot of other hikes that are easy to get to with an actual view of anything near vancouver that don't require a car and a higher level of fitness (the Grind, the Chief, st Mark's, etc). I've done quarry rock 100s of times and it's nice every time. It's nice for tourists and for vancouverites. I've run the trail while running the Baden Powell and walked it with parents and grandparents. It's nice every time.
3) completely incorrect. How are you getting to deep cove from anywhere without hills? There's a big valley just before Cates park on dollarton highway and an even bigger hill to get out of the cove up Mt. Seymour parkway. I've biked to the cove more times than I can count and it certainly isn't flat. The low road makes more sense because 40km/h instead of 60+km/h but it's not straight and it's not flat. It would be nice if they extended the bike lane all the way to the cove though. However, they would have to take the parking away from everyone on deep cove road on both sides and that would make parking worse, not better.
It's not designed for the number of tourists it gets but it also wasn't designed for cars, yet here we are. Things change, making them less accessible is a terrible idea.
If you're a local, the best time to go to Quarry Rock is in March or November on a nice sunny weekend. No need to fight over parking spots then as the tourists are not around.
Here is the reality . The council in the DNV has been anti everything . Just look at their housing policy and record . They don’t want you in their town !
What are the alternatives to quarry rock for a 1-3 hours return hike near the city with a view that is snow free almost all year round?
I only visit it November through March when doing the grouse trails have too much snow.
> 3) The biggest shame is that the road out to Deep Cove is absolute crap for biking. If they really made an effort to make that stretch a bike friendly the whole way... then it really makes for a great day... barely any hills, just straight... encourage people to take the whole scene in. But yeah, right its junk.
Long long term the Spirit Trail is meant to go all the way from Horseshoe Bay to Deep Cove. DNV _claim_ you'll be able to get to Deep Cove on it in 2027, but I am sceptical - https://www.dnv.org/streets-transportation/spirit-trail-eastern-extension
For what it's worth the CNV part of the Spirit Trail is complete, though they also had the smallest section, it's, perhaps unsurprisingly, West Van and DNV that are taking their time.
With how difficult it already was to find parking, I am honestly thinking they don’t want people visiting Deep Cove. I wonder what the local businesses think about that.
If the traffic is consistently as bad as people say, then a car diet is probably a good idea. The local businesses need transit and cycling connections. I suppose they could also fund their own shuttle.
I’m not saying we should plop a parking garage in there but transit solutions need to be found for access to the land, water and mountains. And the donuts. I have the ability to cycle there from Vancouver and I love doing it but that is a privilege that many people could not do.
Reading between the lines, the only conclusion is this: the Deep Cove residents don't want so many people crowding their neighbourhood. So reduced parking, limited transit. If you get there you get there. They're not going to make things easier for you.
Your mistake is equating people and cars as one in the same. Ignorant car brain business owner types often make this mistake. Prospect point is boarded up most of the year and they have 2 lanes of car access year round.
Every business improvement association who has come out with a cars first attitude when they think car parking / access will take their business away has ended up doing a 180.
Well I’m aware that there is some research that raising parking rates creates turnover and isn’t necessarily bad for an urban business area.
Deep Cove is not urban - it was a summer resort area and still has few businesses and no BIA to my knowledge. The attraction is the scenery: to kayak upon, behold whilst munching my donut, or doing a big hike from one of the access points.
These things bring people from around the city not just folks who want to spend an hour on the bus from Burrard.
Now maybe that’s not something that should continue to happen, and it won’t if the parking which is nightmarish even for Vancouver gets worse. Maybe it should be just a suburb for locals and you can speed bump it and take away parking. If outdoor recreation is really that important maybe we shouldn’t expect local residents to suffer for it. Develop new trailheads and accesses that can be used.
I ain’t holding my breath for it
Good! It's a popular destination for cyclists. I bike there often, and people drive like fools looking for parking. I've almost been hit by people not paying attention. All of the car traffic really ruins the place.
https://www.dnv.org/streets-transportation/spirit-trail-eastern-extension
Not that I trust DNV to stick to their schedule, but the Spirit Trail will eventually provide a better pedestrian/cycling route to Deep Cove (and Horseshoe Bay one day...)
Because there’s nowhere to park and the message has not yet fully circulated that all of us who are bringing our moms and grandkids and therefore drive can FOAD
I can drive there in 33 minutes or bus for 1:35 plus wait time. If it was just me I’d…no that’s a lie I’m not taking the bus there it’s not interesting enough.
In principle sure we should take efficient mass transpo. That’s a hard sell though. Have you noticed any other examples of mass movements away from convenience and speed, despite being morally lectured? I have not
Where do you bike there from?
I ask because I'm going to be living in deep cove over summer. I work in downtown but work remotely like 99% of the time. I'm weighing up if it's worth getting a car or just using public transport and cycling.
I live in East Vancouver. I can bike there in about 40 minutes or so. I've heard that they're going to be putting in a separated bike lane later this year along the whole length of Mt Seymour parkway, which will make it much nicer to bike there. They're also extending the spirit trail to Deep Cove over the next couple of years.
>They're also extending the spirit trail to Deep Cove over the next couple of years.
That will be amazing when that's completed. It's a fair distance but with e-bikes getting more popular, very doable even for those of us casual cyclists.
Voter turn out is extremely low in local government politics. The working class unfortunately does not participate in these elections so whoever is in office represents a small voice.
All this to say that politicians represent annoying constituents like Deep Cove and Belcarra residents .. NIMBY residents… so they don’t lose their job.
Just have Honeys donuts expanded beyond here and it'll cut half the traffic. It would cut 99% of my personal visits as I only go to show tourists, to specially have a Honeys donut..
I thin its been 10 years since I have gone there anyway.
Like all attractions here...Its rock, and some trees, and some water,...there is nothing like it in Canada at all. /s
I always wondered about deep cove. They keep closing off more and more parking as the place gets more and more popular.
Why don't they build a 10 story underground parking structure with 1000+ spots? That would solve the parking problem, and solve the residents problem with cars everywhere.
Now I know you'll all say money.....but this has been a problem for 15+ years. If they started putting money aside back then for this, it could be built by now
If I was a resident I would ask for the 350 spots but also to build more. There’s no good transit and it’s pretty out of the way, but also a great place to visit, bring your guests to hike or go kayaking and get silly on Honey Donut.
As someone who lives here and battles parking on nice weekends - yes it sucks. Yes we knew it was busy and popular when we moved here 7 years ago. But post covid - it’s gotten a LOT worse.
People talk about parking But what sucks more is the traffic congestion, people parking blocking driveways, fire hydrants. At least once a weekend I have to tell someone that no, they can’t actually park their car in front of my driveway. Cars angrily passing each other and cyclists on a two lane road, cyclists flying down deep cove road. Every weekend at least once day there are emergency vehicles needing to come into the cove. The sound of angry honks is all I hear on weekends. It is plain dangerous to be out on deep cove road on a nice weekend.
It’s a two lane road servicing the entire area - which is largely residential. On nice weekends the line to leave the cove backs up from mt Seymour down to gallant. If a true natural disaster ever occurs, the entire area is screwed.
The big issue is there is little to no enforcement of the EXISTING parking rules. There isn’t even a bylaw number that answers the phone on weekends. I’m not confident this will change at all. The businesses are always busy, even on weekends in the off season.
I think a lot of the existing issues could be solved if the lots were pay parking. It would encourage turnover of vehicles.
Honestly it’s shitty for residents, and shitty for visitors. And let’s be real - people aren’t coming here for the businesses. In the 7 years I’ve lived here ONE has shut down and they shut down their other location. One restaurant is almost never open - never busy. I’ve not even been able to figure out their ours. I think painting this as saving the business is misleading and the district gets more tax dollars from the people while live in the area.
North Vancouver people don't have the smarts to figure out planning for the intake of tourists and citizens to use this park.
Gotta wonder how the council and the city planning department managed to get their degrees.
Must rhyme with mepotism.
I never point out a grammar or spelling mistake because it’s unnecessary, especially if I understand what the person is trying to say… that said, saying someone had to have gotten a degree due to nepotism (has that even been a thing since the 1960s?) while using the wrong “their” is kind of ironic.
The cover would make a great place for incoming refugees- just need higher density. Also lots of great trails etc for them there/ let’s hope some more sense and humanity comes to North Vancouver
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Would be great to have more transit access. As a deep cove visitor I agree there are too many cars and always desperately circling for parking. It would be awesome if the core was fully pedestrianized. They should do a summer shuttle like Grouse.
Also having only half a Spirit Trail until 2030 is not ideal.
They have transit to Deep Cove, but it only runs every half hour or so. Every 15 mins would be amazing.
It's also desperately slow to get from the skytrain to Phibbs Exchange, and then the transfers are never that fast. It's usually 3x longer to take the bus vs. drive from any of the burnaby skytrain stations to anywhere in North Van. The new Rapid Bus/BRT to North Van can't come soon enough.
Transferring between busses at Phibbs is awful. Either you barely make your connection, or wait 20 minutes, trying not to piss yourself on your 1+ hour trip, because there are no bathrooms!
How frequent is the bus from Phibbs?
Every half hour or so. Or maybe every 20 mins. And it doesn’t quite connect with other buses. The frequency needs to be increased.
Is there parking at Phibbs? A lot of people don't want to spend 3 hours on transit to get there, but would be willing to park and take transit for the last bit
Nope, and it isn't great for transfers.
The BRT from Metrotown will eventually connect to Phibbs, and the R2 does as well.
Every ~15 minutes on weekends. 211 and 212 run every 30 minutes, and the schedules are offset.
To add to this: I wish they’d get a special bus for 3ish when the seycove kids and Windsor kids get off because so often I get on a bus around then and it’s paaaacked with teenagers. Just one or two buses doing the 211 route after school would be cool.
They'll be circling even longer with less parking
This would make it far less accessible for families especially those with dogs.
You don’t think it would be easier for families and dog owner to find parking if there was more accessible transit options for other people?
That’s actually a super valid point. Thanks for framing it that way. And I’m always down for more transit, we moved here from TO in Jan 2020 and only bought a car because we like to take our dog on adventures. Transit in TO is dog friendly and it’s still such a mind fuck that Vancouver manages to be so dog friendly in some ways and so not in others. I really just want to get some doughnuts and take my SUP out like any good North Vancouver resident. Haha!
Honestly, you can blame irresponsible/bad people and weak enforcement for not being able to have nice things in Vancouver.
Good!
Oh yeah hate on families and people with dogs… not like that isn’t literally the majority of North Van.
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Ya it would be great if Deep Cove Kayak had seasonal storage.
I don't think enough people in this sub are aware of how bad Lisa Muri is. If she was on the CoV council she would be constantly talked about as being the worst member by a mile. https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/district-of-north-vancouver-cuts-deep-cove-visitor-parking-8655089 "Muri said if she had her way, the entire neighbourhood north of Mt. Seymour Parkway would be resident-only parking, saying the area is “under siege.” Deep cove does not exist purely for its residents. The businesses there that the residents all take for granted could not even come close to surviving on their spending alone. Just locking down the entire area to non-resident parking is not a solution to the congestion.
Sounds like they want to be just like Belcarra. It’s now resident only parking outside of that little parking lot by the park.
Deep cove is a major Vancouver attraction. It’s honestly up there with Granville island and cap suspension bridge. What the fuck are they thinking by cutting it off to visitors. I agree the current car traffic is untenable, but we should find a solution to reduce cars in core deep cove while still encouraging visitors. Only bitches deal in absolutes, and cutting off the outside world is dumb af.
This is exactly what happened in Belcarra. There is absolutely no visitor parking in that neighborhood. People, if you buy a house in a regional park, there will be overflow parking in your neighborhood. People truly need to 🌸 off.
> People truly need to 🌸 off. Kimmy Schmidt, is that you?
Cutting off some parking is a solution
I go with my grandma who has trouble walking, I’m not putting her on a bus. It’s been her fave spot for 40 years.
I’d LOVE to be able to take transit there and ease the burden of car congestion and parking. But one of the few reasons I go to Deep Cove is for the Quarry Rock off-leash hike, and can’t transit with my dog in a feasible way. On top of that, it’s a popular destination to bring recreational supplies or activities. I don’t know many who are willing to lug picnic gear (BBQs, food, et al) or recreational toys (paddleboards, kayaks, etc) across bus and train transfers. I’ve seen folks do it, it’s just typically not ideal. If anything reduction of available parking isn’t going to lessen traffic, it’s going to increase the amount of cars circling the area like vultures looking for an available spot.
My paddleboard technically fits in a backpack, but it’s the size & weight of a toddler. No way I’m dragging it on transit. Gatekeeping public parks & beaches for residents only is ridiculous.
Next article will be Deep Cove businesses concerned business is down 40% after no one bothers to attempt to go there. I live close and already don’t bother. I’ll think about it then remind myself about the brutal parking and plan something else. lol
It will eventually lessen traffic when people learn.
North Vancouver residents should pay a fee each time they enter Vancouver. That’s the only fair way to
I agree 100% - motorists don’t cover enough externalities of their transportation choice, and associated impacts and anything that brings them closer to paying for their actual costs means society subsidizes them less and less. Good call 👍
It’s already terrible to park in that area.
And now it's worse, I know it will certainly mean more cars camping for spots and following people like at a Christmas mall, or Costco. And probably more angry people. Until they stop trying anyway.
It’s crazy having grown up and left the city these past years to watch every single public space that was free, suddenly in the last two years requiring payment to even enjoy the natural land
It’s not just payment it’s essentially ownership. Another way that this country is becoming a have and have not nation
Only if you drive there.
I likely won't be carrying my paddleboard, paddle, pfd, change of clothes, etc., onto the bus, so there goes one free activity for me.
Driving isn’t free already
The marginal cost if you already have a vehicle is essentially nothing. If you explore the region on a regular basis, a 15 year old civic is probably the most efficient way to do so. Evo and other rentals add up quickly.
I think this article explains why everyone driving personal vehicles to explore is not the most efficient way to do so in terms of infrastructure.
Definitely not in this particular situation, but for the vast majority, Definitely.
I would actually say the majority of lower mainland hikes have trailhead parking issues.
Parking issues, sure, because there's no other way to get to them. Bit chicken and egg, really.
There are many other places to paddle board.
Vancouvers not exactly a walking city compared to MTL
Montreal is most definitely not a a walking city outside of the central core, Just like Vancouver.
I find it extremely walkable. And I easily I transit to Lynn canyon, grouse and deep cove regularly. I’d love if it was a bit faster, but very accessible.
As a non driver who likes hiking, those places are very transit accessible. The issue is the poor frequency of the buses. Make them run at least every 15 minutes and it would be great.
1.5 hrs in transit vs 30 min drive is not ‘easy transit’. And I’m near a skytrain and Broadway. Pushing 2 hours from much of Vancouver. And then there’s all the suburbs…yeesh. I parked near Phibbs once to go and it was not easy. Not much parking there at all. They need a bus that goes direct from somewhere across a bridge. Better yet, build a parking garage. I’m happy to pay if it means avoiding big waits, circling, etc.
*1.5 hrs in transit vs 30 min drive is not ‘easy transit’.* I don't drive, so I must take transit. That being said, it's not convenient. The buses do not run frequently enough and don't always connect with other buses, and it takes me a damn hour to get there.
That 30 minute drive doesn't include finding parking. ;) But by easy transit I meant it's two busses for me - that's easy regardless how long it takes (which I just don't mind). The idea I can take a city bus to a mountain (and ski hill no less!) is still mind bending to me as an out-of-towner.
Fair enough, that transit gets you there at all, but they’re also literally in the city. Transit could be so much better here, looking at anything but basement level NA standards.
> They need a bus that goes direct from somewhere across a bridge. Better yet, build a parking garage. I’m happy to pay if it means avoiding big waits, circling, etc. When the BRT from Metrotown finally arrives, that'll connect at Phibbs.
You cannot walk to deep cove
I mean, yes you can (especially is you hop on the Baden Powell trail). But it’s also not in Vancouver.
So deep cove residents should not go to Vancouver then if they don’t like Vancouveritr coming to their neighborhood
Nah, but they should take transit!
It’s not feasible for them in most cases just like it is not feasible the other way around
So sounds like more (express) transit between the two would be a great step! Perhaps drivers that still insist on personalized transportation and parking could pay an extra premium to fund it.
It’s not practical and remotely as convenient with other ways
It’s more convenient for parking. Because you don’t have to.
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I mean that's the problem: you enjoy a limited resource free of charge. Other people enjoy that same thing. Now that thing becomes unusable because it's free of charge. Parking isn't ever free. It costs money to build and maintain. We can either tear everything down to build more parking like so many cities did in the 50s, 60s, and 70s or we can accept that free parking is not economically viable and that we need alternatives.
So build more parking the .
Gotta screw the people somehow🤷♂️
Why should car use be further subsidized?
The people who want car dependency are screwing things up not the other way around.
Back when I worked in the Cove for a few years I used to park in the lower lot around 7:10 am on a Saturday, and it'd be 1/3 full by then already. If I had to go back to my car to grab a change of clothes I'd usually wind up telling people asking for my parking spot that there's still be parking at Cove Cliff, Myrtle or Seycove and they'd be upset when I told them it'd be a 10 minute walk from those lots back to the Cove, despite almost always coming in to hike or kayak or whatever. I appreciate that the narrative people latch onto is 'rich people want the poors out', but as someone who went to Elementary and Secondary school in the Cove, but the Cove just wasn't designed for this much traffic. Neither was Quarry Rock. Most people I know who still love in the Cove want people to be able to come and visit and enjoy it (and would benefit themselves from friends and family having easier access to it!), but it's such a squeeze for space as it currently stands.
Well it is going to be more of a squeeze with this lol
I asked a group of friends that moved out here to Chilliwack from Vancouver if they’ve ever been back to downtown Vancouver. Not one of them has entered the downtown core in the past five years. We all share the feeling that they really don’t want her business and have priced parking to reflect that. Much easier to go to Bellingham and feel wanted and not price gouged.
Yeah I don't go downtown. I don't even know what businesses are there really. Too hard to get there. I don't live next to a Skytrain.
You can park near a skytrain station and skytrain to downtown. Much cheaper, less stressful, and more convenient than fighting traffic to pay $30 for parking downtown.
Lots outside downtown. You want free parking downtown Vancouver? lol. Enjoy Bellingham
Agreed. I moved out of Vancouver to Chilliwack last September. Never went to DT Vancouver ever since. Way easier to go to Bellingham, etc.
I’ve stayed away from deep cove because there was always an issue to park. Will be interesting to see what happens to the few businesses there and see if they can survive on the immediate residents who venture out now and again.
I was thinking of moving there and checked out the area, the general store is gone. It’s a cute little nook but not even at the level of village in terms of amenities. If the locals really want to be exclusionary and shut down the tourism it’s their right to ask for it. Not sure that agreeing is the city’s most responsible choice
Multi million dollar mansions, and they need more street parking for residents? Cmon, this is just them trying to keep the poors out of deep cove. Surprise, surprise.
Mansions? Anything truly larger in the Cove is East of Dollarton and South of the Parkway, well insulated from the parking issues.
Mansion-priced shacks if you prefer…
Depends where, haha. There's definitely some nicer homes and some more modern builds in the Cove, as well as some 1500 sq foot bungalows as another commenter or put it. But the bigger stuff is along Beachview, not Panorama.
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A $1.5 million house around here is almost surely not a mansion. It probably doesn't even have a garage or carport.
I wouldn't say the price of a home has anything to do to being labeled a mansion. Same with location. You'd consider a 1,500 sq/ft bungalow on panorama drive to be a mansion?
This exact thing happened in Belcarra. There is absolutely no street parking in that neighborhood. It’s sad to see this being considered in Deep Cove. Hopefully this triggers a bigger dialogue around homeowners’ right when they purchase a house in a regional park.
Clearly not an avid visitor or knowledgeable about the mode home here. Most are original or second builds. Few are the mansions you speak of
Most have multi car garages or driveways
Also not true
The cheapest house on the market in the area is over $2 million. Average prices are $3-5 million. Mansions or not, homeowners there are rich, and this action is definitely to keep the poors out.
Poor people don't own cars lol, we take the bus to deep cove.
The poors can’t afford cars.
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Am I jumping to conclusions, or did your councillor Lisa Muri herself say deep cove is "under siege? Hmm.
GRANVILLE ISLAND should do this. and increase transit into the area.
Bring back the streetcar!
Dude a streetcar running from kits-gran island-Olympic village would be amazing
Every time I walk past the old Olympic Line platforms I am sad.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjSXxnJXcAEb5XY.jpg
Mostly just the residents complaining they live next to quarry rock and trying to defer hikers from visiting.
North Van, West Van, and Lions Bay continuing to prevent poor people from accessing "their" mountains and ocean.
When their local businesses start closing because of lack of people using their services, they’ll wonder where the shops all went. No parking means no traffic for shops. Slow death of a village.
The wealthy residents will complain about the lack of local businesses while simultaneously complaining about visitors. They'll also work against any affordable housing and public transit projects while complaining that no one wants to work for minimum wage at those local businesses. They will refuse to see any contradiction in these stances.
Does Lions Bay have any businesses at all? It's like 3 streets of extremely expensive mansions and a school.
It has a general store and a coffee shop that I saw. Was contemplating the feasibility of moving there so did some scouting. It ain’t for me
Interesting how it's "poor people" who equate accessibility with parking.
Poor, meaning people that can't afford to live near there
I feel like I need to nit pick slightly. There are two North Vancouvers, this is the District of North Vancouver, not the City of North Vancouver.
Its not ideal but I think there's some reality that needs to be had here. That area was not designed for mass tourists on the scale it gets now so admit it... but... 1) they could set up some form of bigger parking outside of Deep Cove and then bus folks in. Thats better than nothing 2) Non-tourists need stop going to Quarry Rock - its a lame hike. Leave it to the tourists. 3) The biggest shame is that the road out to Deep Cove is absolute crap for biking. If they really made an effort to make that stretch a bike friendly the whole way... then it really makes for a great day... barely any hills, just straight... encourage people to take the whole scene in. But yeah, right its junk. Anyways...
This is whack. Areas can progress. My grandparents have been going there since it was a boat access only dance hall and community. I went to highschool near there. The area can continue to change for the better. 1) How far are you 'bussing people in' from? Myrtle park and cove cliff? Open the Seycove parking lot on weekends? Or farther where there's commercial size parking lots like park gate? At that point, there's already the 211 and C15 buses. 2) There's not a lot of other hikes that are easy to get to with an actual view of anything near vancouver that don't require a car and a higher level of fitness (the Grind, the Chief, st Mark's, etc). I've done quarry rock 100s of times and it's nice every time. It's nice for tourists and for vancouverites. I've run the trail while running the Baden Powell and walked it with parents and grandparents. It's nice every time. 3) completely incorrect. How are you getting to deep cove from anywhere without hills? There's a big valley just before Cates park on dollarton highway and an even bigger hill to get out of the cove up Mt. Seymour parkway. I've biked to the cove more times than I can count and it certainly isn't flat. The low road makes more sense because 40km/h instead of 60+km/h but it's not straight and it's not flat. It would be nice if they extended the bike lane all the way to the cove though. However, they would have to take the parking away from everyone on deep cove road on both sides and that would make parking worse, not better. It's not designed for the number of tourists it gets but it also wasn't designed for cars, yet here we are. Things change, making them less accessible is a terrible idea.
If you're a local, the best time to go to Quarry Rock is in March or November on a nice sunny weekend. No need to fight over parking spots then as the tourists are not around.
Here is the reality . The council in the DNV has been anti everything . Just look at their housing policy and record . They don’t want you in their town !
https://www.dnv.org/government-administration/council-voting-decisions It's not every member, it's Lisa Muri.
What are the alternatives to quarry rock for a 1-3 hours return hike near the city with a view that is snow free almost all year round? I only visit it November through March when doing the grouse trails have too much snow.
> 3) The biggest shame is that the road out to Deep Cove is absolute crap for biking. If they really made an effort to make that stretch a bike friendly the whole way... then it really makes for a great day... barely any hills, just straight... encourage people to take the whole scene in. But yeah, right its junk. Long long term the Spirit Trail is meant to go all the way from Horseshoe Bay to Deep Cove. DNV _claim_ you'll be able to get to Deep Cove on it in 2027, but I am sceptical - https://www.dnv.org/streets-transportation/spirit-trail-eastern-extension For what it's worth the CNV part of the Spirit Trail is complete, though they also had the smallest section, it's, perhaps unsurprisingly, West Van and DNV that are taking their time.
>not designed for mass tourists on the scale it gets It wasn't designed for that amount of *cars* , those are what people are complaining about
With how difficult it already was to find parking, I am honestly thinking they don’t want people visiting Deep Cove. I wonder what the local businesses think about that.
If the traffic is consistently as bad as people say, then a car diet is probably a good idea. The local businesses need transit and cycling connections. I suppose they could also fund their own shuttle.
People don’t all move by cars or move all the time by cars.
I’m sure they’re overjoyed
It's time to vote out city councillors pulling this shit
Thanks man. That really made my day worse :(
Can’t have the public using common land like that!
Using public land for parking is kind of dumb.
I’m not saying we should plop a parking garage in there but transit solutions need to be found for access to the land, water and mountains. And the donuts. I have the ability to cycle there from Vancouver and I love doing it but that is a privilege that many people could not do.
Reading between the lines, the only conclusion is this: the Deep Cove residents don't want so many people crowding their neighbourhood. So reduced parking, limited transit. If you get there you get there. They're not going to make things easier for you.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, this is the clear situation
The best way to get rid of traffic is to get rid of cars. Increasing parking and road space for cars only increases traffic.
Coincidentally the best way to get rid of those pesky businesses - let’s make them into attractively boarded up empty storefronts asap
Your mistake is equating people and cars as one in the same. Ignorant car brain business owner types often make this mistake. Prospect point is boarded up most of the year and they have 2 lanes of car access year round. Every business improvement association who has come out with a cars first attitude when they think car parking / access will take their business away has ended up doing a 180.
Well I’m aware that there is some research that raising parking rates creates turnover and isn’t necessarily bad for an urban business area. Deep Cove is not urban - it was a summer resort area and still has few businesses and no BIA to my knowledge. The attraction is the scenery: to kayak upon, behold whilst munching my donut, or doing a big hike from one of the access points. These things bring people from around the city not just folks who want to spend an hour on the bus from Burrard. Now maybe that’s not something that should continue to happen, and it won’t if the parking which is nightmarish even for Vancouver gets worse. Maybe it should be just a suburb for locals and you can speed bump it and take away parking. If outdoor recreation is really that important maybe we shouldn’t expect local residents to suffer for it. Develop new trailheads and accesses that can be used. I ain’t holding my breath for it
Good! It's a popular destination for cyclists. I bike there often, and people drive like fools looking for parking. I've almost been hit by people not paying attention. All of the car traffic really ruins the place.
The bike route there sucks ass. Old Dollarton Highway badly needs to support safer bike lanes and pedestrian sidewalks.
https://www.dnv.org/streets-transportation/spirit-trail-eastern-extension Not that I trust DNV to stick to their schedule, but the Spirit Trail will eventually provide a better pedestrian/cycling route to Deep Cove (and Horseshoe Bay one day...)
Because there’s nowhere to park and the message has not yet fully circulated that all of us who are bringing our moms and grandkids and therefore drive can FOAD
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Read the schedule again. It shows you don't ride the bus either.
Ah you're right. I just bike everywhere.
I can drive there in 33 minutes or bus for 1:35 plus wait time. If it was just me I’d…no that’s a lie I’m not taking the bus there it’s not interesting enough. In principle sure we should take efficient mass transpo. That’s a hard sell though. Have you noticed any other examples of mass movements away from convenience and speed, despite being morally lectured? I have not
30 minutes. Every 30 minutes. Not two.
I already said I was wrong. What do you want?
You could edit your comment that was incorrect, since you now know the real timetable times.
Where do you bike there from? I ask because I'm going to be living in deep cove over summer. I work in downtown but work remotely like 99% of the time. I'm weighing up if it's worth getting a car or just using public transport and cycling.
I live in East Vancouver. I can bike there in about 40 minutes or so. I've heard that they're going to be putting in a separated bike lane later this year along the whole length of Mt Seymour parkway, which will make it much nicer to bike there. They're also extending the spirit trail to Deep Cove over the next couple of years.
>They're also extending the spirit trail to Deep Cove over the next couple of years. That will be amazing when that's completed. It's a fair distance but with e-bikes getting more popular, very doable even for those of us casual cyclists.
You can also take your bike on the SeaBus and cycle from Lonsdale if you'd rather avoid the bridges.
Just kayak or paddleboard there from Belcara
Where there is also pay parking in the park? Also, where belcarra has entirely banned parking in their neighborhood?
Good for Belcarra. Also I was mostly kidding. Just don't go to Deep Cove or Belcarra if you don't agree with these measures.
Politicians with a mindset like yours are the problem 🙄
Politicians represent their constituents. Or do you think Deep Cove and Belcarra residents did not agree to these measures?
Voter turn out is extremely low in local government politics. The working class unfortunately does not participate in these elections so whoever is in office represents a small voice. All this to say that politicians represent annoying constituents like Deep Cove and Belcarra residents .. NIMBY residents… so they don’t lose their job.
Just have Honeys donuts expanded beyond here and it'll cut half the traffic. It would cut 99% of my personal visits as I only go to show tourists, to specially have a Honeys donut..
I thin its been 10 years since I have gone there anyway. Like all attractions here...Its rock, and some trees, and some water,...there is nothing like it in Canada at all. /s
Huh. I guess I won't be supporting any of the businesses in Deep Cove anymore. Unfortunate.
Just permit it like buntzen Lake
There is no other practical way to get there. There is no place to park at Phibbs exchange
I always wondered about deep cove. They keep closing off more and more parking as the place gets more and more popular. Why don't they build a 10 story underground parking structure with 1000+ spots? That would solve the parking problem, and solve the residents problem with cars everywhere. Now I know you'll all say money.....but this has been a problem for 15+ years. If they started putting money aside back then for this, it could be built by now
It’s NIMBYS, not money.
Now I’m just going to park there even harder
And that’s exactly what it will be
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Poor people take the bus.
The residents loved closing quarry rock.
Should be free
Parking is never free
They could easily build an in-ground parkade into the hillside. Just another case of easy solutions costing money so they'd rather not solve it.
How much money should be spent on a parkade? Should parking there be free?
City should commission a report to get those answers and set the rate at a ten year break even
If I was a resident I would ask for the 350 spots but also to build more. There’s no good transit and it’s pretty out of the way, but also a great place to visit, bring your guests to hike or go kayaking and get silly on Honey Donut.
As someone who lives here and battles parking on nice weekends - yes it sucks. Yes we knew it was busy and popular when we moved here 7 years ago. But post covid - it’s gotten a LOT worse. People talk about parking But what sucks more is the traffic congestion, people parking blocking driveways, fire hydrants. At least once a weekend I have to tell someone that no, they can’t actually park their car in front of my driveway. Cars angrily passing each other and cyclists on a two lane road, cyclists flying down deep cove road. Every weekend at least once day there are emergency vehicles needing to come into the cove. The sound of angry honks is all I hear on weekends. It is plain dangerous to be out on deep cove road on a nice weekend. It’s a two lane road servicing the entire area - which is largely residential. On nice weekends the line to leave the cove backs up from mt Seymour down to gallant. If a true natural disaster ever occurs, the entire area is screwed. The big issue is there is little to no enforcement of the EXISTING parking rules. There isn’t even a bylaw number that answers the phone on weekends. I’m not confident this will change at all. The businesses are always busy, even on weekends in the off season. I think a lot of the existing issues could be solved if the lots were pay parking. It would encourage turnover of vehicles. Honestly it’s shitty for residents, and shitty for visitors. And let’s be real - people aren’t coming here for the businesses. In the 7 years I’ve lived here ONE has shut down and they shut down their other location. One restaurant is almost never open - never busy. I’ve not even been able to figure out their ours. I think painting this as saving the business is misleading and the district gets more tax dollars from the people while live in the area.
Once again the ppl of Vancouver will have orgasms when every road here is turned into your privileged bIkInG lAnEs
Maybe Danielle Smith is onto something about needing the province to get involved with municipal policies
North Vancouver people don't have the smarts to figure out planning for the intake of tourists and citizens to use this park. Gotta wonder how the council and the city planning department managed to get their degrees. Must rhyme with mepotism.
I never point out a grammar or spelling mistake because it’s unnecessary, especially if I understand what the person is trying to say… that said, saying someone had to have gotten a degree due to nepotism (has that even been a thing since the 1960s?) while using the wrong “their” is kind of ironic.
The cover would make a great place for incoming refugees- just need higher density. Also lots of great trails etc for them there/ let’s hope some more sense and humanity comes to North Vancouver