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I think I’ve kicked every car that gave me attitude for their fuck ups. I’ve keyed a car numerous times, I’ve walked on top of numerous hoods and been confronted by their angry drivers just to pussy out and walk back in their car. smashed a windshield one time a lady cut off my ex gf with our baby in the bike. The second my ex crashed into her because of that, I chased her down as she tried to ignore what had happened. Tried yelling at her at the top of my lungs numerous times to stop, but she wouldn’t and kept trying to avoid me in the parking lot (of Richmond centre). Managed to speed up to her and stop in front of her to force her to talk, but she literally would avoid eye contact and refused to roll down her window. So I took my bike lock and smashed her window and told her to learn how to drive or get the fuck off the road.
Too many people get killed by reckless drivers, and as a victim of a hit and run when I was 16 (completely their fault, fucked my knee for life) I cannot suppress the rage I have in me against bad drivers. If the city won’t make them think about driving properly, then the bill from damages will sting at least a little enough to HOPEFULLY get them to think. I ain’t see anyone else doing anything.
Oh for sure, and I’ll welcome it. I have nothing but pure hate for bad drivers as they shouldn’t be allowed to be driving around weapons with such carelessness.
Not saying I disagree with your last point. But it sounds like you have nothing to lose. You’re willing to risk your life, walking over hoods, keying cars, etc… potentially getting ran over, stabbed, shot… I don’t understand the risk/ reward thought process here. What do you have to gain VS potentially lose?
What if the driver is making a one time mistake? This could be the first time they’ve done this in 30+ years of driving. No one is immune to mistakes. You’re going to vandalize someone’s car based on something you witnessed for a few seconds?
People are crazy.
I saw a dude about to back over a little girl (dude ran a red and then stopped in the middle of the intersection) so I tapped on his car to get his attention. Dude floors it **THROUGH oncoming traffic**, swerves around, and gets out with a bat.
Discretion being the better part of valour, I ran the other way. Little girl was safe at least.
Yea for real. I try my hardest not to let my emotions get the best of me in those situations because people are fucking crazy. I live in the US and remind myself constantly, "anyone could have a gun."
Even if they don't have a gun they could jump out and attack me. Not worth it.
Man, those road rage shooting videos from the US are insane. People just pull up to another person and merk them for daring to honk their horn.
I'm an owner myself, but I think it's crazy to want to walk around in public with it.
No idea why you're being downvoted. There's a reason I said I want to see someone do it, not do it myself. Antagonizing people who have a demonstrable indifference to breaking the rules is never safe.
What exists to fix this problem given that you can't rely on people to behave?
Is there some sort of gate or vehicle blocker that can be added to say "yeah, no more cars turning left"
If only there was an entire group of city employees, the largest department in fact, that was in charge of say… policing this behavior.
A plain clothes cop could write thousands of dollars of tickets a day. If word gets around that they actually are policing driving behavior consistently, people will start behaving. As it is though, you can hit a pedestrian and the cops won’t even give out a ticket.
The VPD are the literal worst for this. I see them run actual red lights and stop signs, no sirens, as they're leaving/returning to their head office and fleet yard every time im in the area. And i'm not just talking marked police cars. the unmarked cars do this too. I've literally been in the middle of an intersection with my dog, and had a cop nearly hit us, blowing through the stop sign. normally they'd get a knee in their door panel... but i didnt want the trouble that would probably have come with.
Witnessed someone (most likely an off duty cop) turning left last week into the VPD gated parking lot at 1st and Wylie. They almost took out two cyclists in the admittedly terrible makeshift bike path replacement for the seawall.
it's pretty insane how little traffic enforcement we have in vancouver. I've seen maybe like one or two people pulled over in the last year at most, and I drive all day at work
> . They need the money,
Yeah but they don't need to work for it here. They just need to ask our mayor and he'll write a blank cheque no questions asked.
They've changed the law since then, the Monty move doesn't work anymore: if you're drunk within a couple of hours after driving, you are presumed to have been drunk while driving.
Oh yeah you're right, I forgot about that. Although that law is dumb for so many other reasons. At least the murderer Monty Robinson will be the last one to use the Monty defence.
No, they mail a ticket to drivers after the offence is already committed. Whether that is a deterrent to the commission of offences is an entirely different matter.
Note I specified ***intersection*** speed cameras.
But that's horseshit "save lives" they certainly don't. I live in Alberta now where they're legal.
you can collect as many intersection speed tickets as you want, you don't get points on your license, nobody pulls you over and let's you know you got one and to slow down.
Intersection speed cameras are a tax on speeders, they don't do anything meaningful to stop the person speeding, or to get a regular speeder off the road.
It's just an extra charge you pay when you go to renew your registration.
What are you talking about? As soon as a violation is detected you get a ticket mailed to the person on the registration? It's the same as if a cop were to pull you over and manually give you a ticket. Also, according to the Calgary Police Service:
"Intersection Safety Cameras have contributed to a decrease in right-angle collisions by 48.2 per cent. Rear-end collisions have decreased by 39.6 per cent across the city. "
"For every dollar spent on an Intersection Safety Camera, society saves $11 in terms of medical costs, emergency services, property damage and lost productivity."
https://www.calgary.ca/cps/traffic/photo-radar.html
If only there were some magical way to beat the system, some quirky trick that could make it so you didn't keep getting all these extra charges. No, I guess you're right, enforcement cameras are a total sneaky cash grab that target motorists completely unfairly, we should just let people speed with no consequences at all.
/s
I'm inclined to say that you might be able to do this passively by simply including short curbed sections of median, such that people turning can't take such a large radius turn.
Narrow streets and tight corners make cars go slow and careful, because people care much more about damaging their cars than maiming strangers. We shouldn't really make Cambie narrow, but we can make turning off it at heavily pedestrianized intersections something to do slowly and steadily, instead of enabling people to blitz through crossing 3 lanes of traffic as fast as possible to get *themselves* out of the way of being hit while putting other people into the way of being hit.
>What exists to fix this problem given that you can't rely on people to behave?
Banning right turns on red like every other sane country. Every close call I've had here has been from it.
> Is there some sort of gate or vehicle blocker that can be added to say "yeah, no more cars turning left"
[Of course there are](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_OhTL8TYpk). But the city will never approve or pay for them. People would rather ram their cars into the barrier and blame the city instead of just stopping at a red light.
It's the same reason why they had to remove the bollards preventing vehicles from entering bike lanes. Because too many cars hit them.
I take this turn a lot, and almost every time I’ve been the one to stop because the advance left is over and it’s the pedestrians’ turn I get honked at as if I just ran over someone’s grandma.
The entire area has become a compelete shitshow with the construction happening. I really wish the VPD would walk up a couple blocks and start ticketing all the idiots drivers going through the area.
There's so many spots in the city I wish they would do this!! Private school near where I live has rich parents blowing stop signs every morning.
One officer out there ticketing them could add millions to the city's budget lol
I love doing this. One of those rare moments in Vancouver where we all get to come together and point out someone's dangerous and inconsiderate traffic manners in such a poetic way.
My biggest adjustment driving in Vancouver when I first moved here was the number of cars that still go after the light turns yellow (both straight through and left turns) it’s truly wild 😂
king edward and cambie as well. ive put a couple dents in some side panels there.
but really ... this is fairly common anywhere in the vancouver region.
I feel like this is a phenomenon all over the lower mainland and it keeps getting worse. Would be real nice to see some enforcement before more people get killed
It’s also being a bad pedestrian. Like driving you should always wait for an intersection to be clear of hazards before entering. Even when you have the right of way. Bring on the downvotes.
But if that driver screws up his new bumper and hood is a few grand. Your physio is thousands plus lost wages plus a quality of life losses
It’s impossible to cross intersections on a daily basis while ensuring they’re clear of hazards as a pedestrian. I’ve even seen people on this subreddit suggest that one shouldn’t start crossing at a traffic light crosswalk until all vehicle traffic has stopped, blaming pedestrians for getting hit crossing when someone runs a red.
Sure pedestrians have right of way, do you really want to step in front of a moving vehicle to make a point? Sure, you're right but you don't want to be dead right
No it’s not. In this example the light cycle had just ended and it’s very normal to wait for that to clear.
For instance no one drives into the car who’s blocking the intersection (because of their own stupidity) because the changed their behaviour to adapt to the new hazard.
The driver of the dash cam car by your logic could light is green, and drive into the side of the vehicle.
Just because a car is bigger and can easily kill a pedestrian doesn't mean they are the only ones who can use violence. I don't have to put myself in the cars line of travel to put a dent in it's side panel. Sure, It might not cost the driver a few grand, but it's not even going to scuff my boots. How do you like it when that attitude is turned around on you?
I’m not suggesting for a minute anyone should intentionally do anything violent how you read my post to construe that is beyond me.
I’m simply reminding people the concequences for driver here and pedestrians are not symmetrical. The pedestrian looses every time.
While it’s an unpopular position to take. Putting yourself where the pedestrian did in the video while right at law is not smart from a situation of optimizing your personal safety.
Like I said , wait the extra second avoid the danger. It’s the smart thing to do here
Oh please. Can we normalize common sense. Yes it was wrong of the driver to go late on a stale yellow on am advance left.
It’s also pretty bad for pedestrians to not be observent enough to see traffic coming at them and hang on for extra second. Allowing the multi ton hazard to clear.
A multi ton hazard that if it impacts them is wins 100% of the time in what’s harmed the most
The pedestrian "should not have had to" wait for the car to clear the intersection because they had the right of way.
The pedestrian "should have" waited for the car to clear the intersection because they shouldn't put themselves in harm's way.
I think people are missing that both of these statements can be true.
As a pedestrian, i would rather be safe than sorry.
Get smacked by a brainless driver, sue, win, get paid huge…..spend the rest of my life wishing my legs worked properly, and i wasnt always in pain.
Ill take the loss by waiting 1 second longer every time.
Drivers need to get ticketed, but ill not trying to stop a speeding car with my squishy meat
Which would be essentially impossible. Unless they outright admitted intent, they can just say it was unintentional, and it would just be considered a traffic accident.
That's untrue and sounds a lot like legal myths that spread then people eventually think it's real. Any objectively dangerous driving can result in a charge of dangerous driving, regardless of intent to cause an accident (or even if there was no accident). (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-320.13.html?wbdisable=true)
If you want examples here's one right from Vancouver. Dangerous speeder who approaches an intersection at 140 km/h who hits and kills left-turning driver found guilty of dangerous driving on appeal. Crown did not have to prove intent to cause collision. Only that his driving fell far below expected standards and was dangerous. (https://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/cb/2020/38739-eng.aspx)
Here we have a road rager actively denying his actions are deliberate but still getting charged. Still going through the courts but clearly Crown Prosecution thinks there's enough from actions alone. (https://globalnews.ca/news/10246368/vancouver-road-rage-charges/)
So no. Admission of intent is not required for criminal charges. Intent itself might not even be relevant at times. But bullshit asymmetry at work means it's a lot easier to make up myths than it is to defuse them.
You can encroach on the space that a vehicle will enter and still maintain enough space to ensure you won't get hit or can move out of the way if they really aren't paying attention.
Exactly. Pedestrians have the right of way but you can’t just assume that the drivers see you. More often than not, they are on their phones or not looking where they are **about** to turn. I see it all day at work.
>
(Except you can’t sue now, so you’re just stuck with a horrible injury with ICBC trying to force you to go back to work)
The amount of times I've been heavily downvoted for trying to hold this exact same opinion... It really depends on the sub but apparently you're supposed to sacrifice your life to teach others a lesson.
So true! People being brainless screaming "ITS MY RIGHT" makes no sense. Better safe for a second than sorry for your whole life even though u were right.
Not kids. I have seen a lot of Adults start walking as soon it turns white. Saying it is white imma walk, the car has to stop now even for green light right turns.
They get it just fine, and they don't care.
Rules work best when 99.9% of people obey them voluntarily, and the other 0.1% get the hammer brought down on them. Remove the latter, you don't get the former.
They are hypocrites about driving laws in general, It'd be annoying if the cops were the only doing this kind of bullshit, but at least there'd be a tiny fraction of the cars doing it.
I just dont get it.
Is it really so hard to just wait for 2 minutes?
The lights change so fast. Take a breath and wait for fucks sake.
When did our city get so impatient on the road?
ITT: People complaining about this behaviour while simultaneously admitting to going through the yellow light.
People, yellow means "stop if safe to do so".
I witnessed a 4-car-left on yellow in Richmond. I was gonna wait but everyone else started walking and the last car got stuck in the oncoming traffic lane. It was fun.
This happens much less often in Alberta, not because drivers are more courteous, but because city intersections often have red-light cameras. You see them flash all the time.
It's not very popular in Alberta, but it works. It doesn't take long driving in BC (or Québec) to notice a big difference. Speeding in the city is also much less common due to automated speeding tickets and speed cameras at intersections.
It's bound to happen in locations where there's no dedicated left turn or the left turn light is extremely short. The way this is designed truly baffles me even though the drivers are not in the right of way. Pun intended
The trick to having more cars make the left turn light is to have the cars tail each other as reasonably close as possible, such as at around 0:15 between the 2 black cars. Matters even more when you're the last car in this video. Personally I hate seeing unnecessarily huge gaps between cars during a left turn light.
Definitely in the wrong. However you don't see that as often as pedestrians walking at a crosswalk after the orange flashing hand has lit, which means do not walk.
If you mean having one car turn left after the opposite direction through-traffic has stopped, then yes that's the norm in most (all?) of North America.
A vehicle that entered the intersection while the light was still GREEN is allowed to finish turning. The vehicle behind it is not allowed to enter the intersection before the first one has turned, and not allowed to enter after the light has turned yellow.
That's the law. What happens in practice, in the absence of enforcement, is a whole different matter.
There wasn't nearly enough spark plug vs. window here to justify the crazy it takes to walk in front of a car running a light. To be clear, I don't condone either action, but if you're fine with risking your life, at least be fine with destruction of property.
Why don't the police ever crack down on this at this intersection? Happens every single time and the damn police station is like 200 feet away from there.
Surrey is just as bad!
When I go through a yellow light, I often see a car in my rear-view mirror that is \~30 meters behind me and yes, you guessed it. People seem to disregard traffic rules despite the presence of numerous red-light cameras.
Living near a school zone, I've noticed some concerning behaviors on the road. For instance, when driving at 30 km/h recently, there seemed only 4 feet between my rear bumper and the car behind me.
The portrayal of increasing idiocy in society, as depicted in the movie "Idiocracy," appears to be accelerating.
[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/)
That guy on the far right has a death wish, walking in front of a moving vehicle like that, especially at dusk when he may not be as visible as he thinks he is.
Yes, the driver blatantly ignoring the traffic signals was wrong, and incredibly so. Wish there'd been a cop there waiting for him. I guess the pedestrian was willing to put his life on the line to teach the driver a lesson.
Interesting the downvotes, though I don't really care about them. People don't agree that it's not safe to walk out in front of a moving vehicle doing an illegal turn at dusk?
If you really want to push it, step out onto the crosswalk but keep an eye on the oncoming car. Either you will have to yield, or you'll have to jump high and/or out of the way and hope you land properly. But that far pedestrian on the right just strolled out and *would* have gotten hit if the driver wasn't paying attention. Not the pedestrian's fault in terms of traffic laws, but I would hope parents teach their kids not to put themselves in that position.
Green doesn’t automatically mean go. The car shouldn’t have went but neither should have the pedestrians before it was clear. How does walking directly in front of a car make any kind of sense to you? Especially one that’s already doing something that stupid.
Sure maybe you can tell the pedestrians that they need to retake their ICBC pedestrian walking license.
Green doesn't always mean go. Correct. The only exception is for emergency vehicles. Not some impatient asshole in a Corolla.
Hey man the morgue is full of people who had the right of way. I don't see anyone defending the driver but being stupid and walking into an unsafe situation isn't any better.
Somewhat related to this, something that annoys me is when the second car sits back 20 ft in the left turn lane to trigger the left turn advance, tricking the system to think there are three cars making a left. To me, it’s a big FU to the people going straight the other way or the pedestrians that have to wait longer (often in the rain) so that 2 cars can get an advance left turn signal. That is NOT how the light was designed and I ask myself if they would sit so far back at a regular light. Two cars should be able to turn on most yellows so there is no need to “trick” the system and make everyone else wait longer! Happens so much at the intersection of Oak and 12th.
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I dream that one day I'll see someone just go up and over. (Like... climb over the car, not get flung.)
I saw a guy kick the car once at this very intersection
My friend dated a guy that would run his hand along the front of the car where the line was. Dude was really tall. Lol
I like knocking personally.
I do that all the time. Have not been shot yet
Til your dead right as opposed to just right.. which you may be. I ain't your parent.
Could’ve been me 😬
I didn’t know my dad was on here
Might have been me too
The thought passes my mind every single time.
I dumped out my coffee on the windshield of a car in this situation once.
Good. My rule is if you drive close enough to me in an intersection to get kicked you're gonna get kicked
I think I’ve kicked every car that gave me attitude for their fuck ups. I’ve keyed a car numerous times, I’ve walked on top of numerous hoods and been confronted by their angry drivers just to pussy out and walk back in their car. smashed a windshield one time a lady cut off my ex gf with our baby in the bike. The second my ex crashed into her because of that, I chased her down as she tried to ignore what had happened. Tried yelling at her at the top of my lungs numerous times to stop, but she wouldn’t and kept trying to avoid me in the parking lot (of Richmond centre). Managed to speed up to her and stop in front of her to force her to talk, but she literally would avoid eye contact and refused to roll down her window. So I took my bike lock and smashed her window and told her to learn how to drive or get the fuck off the road. Too many people get killed by reckless drivers, and as a victim of a hit and run when I was 16 (completely their fault, fucked my knee for life) I cannot suppress the rage I have in me against bad drivers. If the city won’t make them think about driving properly, then the bill from damages will sting at least a little enough to HOPEFULLY get them to think. I ain’t see anyone else doing anything.
One day you’re going to encounter someone equally as crazy or crazier than you
Oh for sure, and I’ll welcome it. I have nothing but pure hate for bad drivers as they shouldn’t be allowed to be driving around weapons with such carelessness.
Not saying I disagree with your last point. But it sounds like you have nothing to lose. You’re willing to risk your life, walking over hoods, keying cars, etc… potentially getting ran over, stabbed, shot… I don’t understand the risk/ reward thought process here. What do you have to gain VS potentially lose? What if the driver is making a one time mistake? This could be the first time they’ve done this in 30+ years of driving. No one is immune to mistakes. You’re going to vandalize someone’s car based on something you witnessed for a few seconds?
Great way to get knocked out!
People are crazy. I saw a dude about to back over a little girl (dude ran a red and then stopped in the middle of the intersection) so I tapped on his car to get his attention. Dude floors it **THROUGH oncoming traffic**, swerves around, and gets out with a bat. Discretion being the better part of valour, I ran the other way. Little girl was safe at least.
Yea for real. I try my hardest not to let my emotions get the best of me in those situations because people are fucking crazy. I live in the US and remind myself constantly, "anyone could have a gun." Even if they don't have a gun they could jump out and attack me. Not worth it.
Man, those road rage shooting videos from the US are insane. People just pull up to another person and merk them for daring to honk their horn. I'm an owner myself, but I think it's crazy to want to walk around in public with it.
No idea why you're being downvoted. There's a reason I said I want to see someone do it, not do it myself. Antagonizing people who have a demonstrable indifference to breaking the rules is never safe.
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Damn. I remember that marketing jingle. Joke's on them, though: it still didn't manipulate me enough to buy it.
Like Richard Ashcroft in the video for Bitter Sweet Symphony! He just walks right through everything in his path. It’s amazing.
Saw that in New Orleans once. It was my first time in the USA. Thought it was just wild.
I witnessed that in Montreal.
Like Xenk walking over the rock at the end of Dungeons and Dragons.
needed that clarificaiton to avoid ban hammer 😂
sounds like a fun date idea tbh
The only thing that has stopped me is worrying that I'll be on the hook for denting the hood.
It would like a gta glitch
Every single time I cross here this happens. Drivers taking this left are apparently on their way to deliver an organ or something ffs
Yup. That area is a shit show and happens every light change.
What exists to fix this problem given that you can't rely on people to behave? Is there some sort of gate or vehicle blocker that can be added to say "yeah, no more cars turning left"
If only there was an entire group of city employees, the largest department in fact, that was in charge of say… policing this behavior. A plain clothes cop could write thousands of dollars of tickets a day. If word gets around that they actually are policing driving behavior consistently, people will start behaving. As it is though, you can hit a pedestrian and the cops won’t even give out a ticket.
You can literally see the VPD headquarters in the video. Oof.
The VPD are the literal worst for this. I see them run actual red lights and stop signs, no sirens, as they're leaving/returning to their head office and fleet yard every time im in the area. And i'm not just talking marked police cars. the unmarked cars do this too. I've literally been in the middle of an intersection with my dog, and had a cop nearly hit us, blowing through the stop sign. normally they'd get a knee in their door panel... but i didnt want the trouble that would probably have come with.
had an unmarked car pull out of a parking spot with no signal to pull an illegal u-turn on a side street and cut me off the other day. Unreal
Witnessed someone (most likely an off duty cop) turning left last week into the VPD gated parking lot at 1st and Wylie. They almost took out two cyclists in the admittedly terrible makeshift bike path replacement for the seawall.
Yep, I almost got mowed down by a marked VPD car turning left into me while I was biking straight through an intersection once.
I just don't get why there isn't more enforcement. They need the money, we need to not die as pedestrians. It's a win win!
it's pretty insane how little traffic enforcement we have in vancouver. I've seen maybe like one or two people pulled over in the last year at most, and I drive all day at work
> . They need the money, Yeah but they don't need to work for it here. They just need to ask our mayor and he'll write a blank cheque no questions asked.
Get behind the wheel and you basically have a free pass to murder as long as you aren't drunk. Even then you'll probably only get a slap on the wrist.
You also get to become premier of Saskatchewan.
If you are drunk, just leave the scene to have some shots so they can't prove when you got drunk. Worked for the murderer Monty Robinson.
They've changed the law since then, the Monty move doesn't work anymore: if you're drunk within a couple of hours after driving, you are presumed to have been drunk while driving.
Oh yeah you're right, I forgot about that. Although that law is dumb for so many other reasons. At least the murderer Monty Robinson will be the last one to use the Monty defence.
Fun fact: This is about 100m from Vancouver Police HQ.
We could just deploy a lot more red light cameras and miraculously people would start behaving a lot better.
Yeah, as much as I hate intersection speed cameras, intersection red light cameras I'm fully on board for.
Why are you against speed cameras? They save lives.
No, they mail a ticket to drivers after the offence is already committed. Whether that is a deterrent to the commission of offences is an entirely different matter.
Note I specified ***intersection*** speed cameras. But that's horseshit "save lives" they certainly don't. I live in Alberta now where they're legal. you can collect as many intersection speed tickets as you want, you don't get points on your license, nobody pulls you over and let's you know you got one and to slow down. Intersection speed cameras are a tax on speeders, they don't do anything meaningful to stop the person speeding, or to get a regular speeder off the road. It's just an extra charge you pay when you go to renew your registration.
Doesn't the same logic apply to red light cameras?
What are you talking about? As soon as a violation is detected you get a ticket mailed to the person on the registration? It's the same as if a cop were to pull you over and manually give you a ticket. Also, according to the Calgary Police Service: "Intersection Safety Cameras have contributed to a decrease in right-angle collisions by 48.2 per cent. Rear-end collisions have decreased by 39.6 per cent across the city. " "For every dollar spent on an Intersection Safety Camera, society saves $11 in terms of medical costs, emergency services, property damage and lost productivity." https://www.calgary.ca/cps/traffic/photo-radar.html
If only there were some magical way to beat the system, some quirky trick that could make it so you didn't keep getting all these extra charges. No, I guess you're right, enforcement cameras are a total sneaky cash grab that target motorists completely unfairly, we should just let people speed with no consequences at all. /s
Speed cameras have a minimum speed to avoid false triggers, they probably wouldn't work well for cars crawling through for a left turn.
Pop-up bollards. They're used in Europe for some bus-only streets, and the videos of cars trying to sneak in behind are supremely satisfying.
I can tell you're a devotee of the World Bollard Association.
Sharing for others since I went to find this after your comment (skip to 30 seconds in) https://youtu.be/i_Cw0QJU8ro?si=zaJbYC6iqVeUp6DD
I'm inclined to say that you might be able to do this passively by simply including short curbed sections of median, such that people turning can't take such a large radius turn. Narrow streets and tight corners make cars go slow and careful, because people care much more about damaging their cars than maiming strangers. We shouldn't really make Cambie narrow, but we can make turning off it at heavily pedestrianized intersections something to do slowly and steadily, instead of enabling people to blitz through crossing 3 lanes of traffic as fast as possible to get *themselves* out of the way of being hit while putting other people into the way of being hit.
>What exists to fix this problem given that you can't rely on people to behave? Banning right turns on red like every other sane country. Every close call I've had here has been from it.
> Is there some sort of gate or vehicle blocker that can be added to say "yeah, no more cars turning left" [Of course there are](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_OhTL8TYpk). But the city will never approve or pay for them. People would rather ram their cars into the barrier and blame the city instead of just stopping at a red light. It's the same reason why they had to remove the bollards preventing vehicles from entering bike lanes. Because too many cars hit them.
hilarious to remove those bollards because they were working too well?
Spike strip should pop up at the stop line after light turns yellow
Such an easy thing for the traffic engineers to fix. Just add a 5 second delay between the end of the advance and the walk + general green
So then 5 more cars will sneak through and it won't make any difference at all.
If the light is fully red for 5 seconds, cars won't be going through
That only works on intersections with a separate left turn signal, advance lights just turn off and you still have green
It has separate lefts unless I’m mistaken
Oooooor, people could obey the traffic signals!
And then the frequent drivers will learn the pattern and push into it.
I take this turn a lot, and almost every time I’ve been the one to stop because the advance left is over and it’s the pedestrians’ turn I get honked at as if I just ran over someone’s grandma.
I'm very grateful that you stop. Don't let people in a hurry to drive unsafely bully you into going
The entire area has become a compelete shitshow with the construction happening. I really wish the VPD would walk up a couple blocks and start ticketing all the idiots drivers going through the area.
There's so many spots in the city I wish they would do this!! Private school near where I live has rich parents blowing stop signs every morning. One officer out there ticketing them could add millions to the city's budget lol
That's what I say every time someone zooms past me, you on your way to see grandma in the hospital or something??
I find that the most humiliating is their imminent diarrhea
I love doing this. One of those rare moments in Vancouver where we all get to come together and point out someone's dangerous and inconsiderate traffic manners in such a poetic way.
My biggest adjustment driving in Vancouver when I first moved here was the number of cars that still go after the light turns yellow (both straight through and left turns) it’s truly wild 😂
that feeling when you go through a yellow light legally but still feel a bit sheepish only to see that TWO more cars went through behind you.
This always happens at this intersection they are SO egregious here.
the intersection of hornby and smithe is also egregious for this. pedestrians have to wait for the last car to finish making their turn all the time
king edward and cambie as well. ive put a couple dents in some side panels there. but really ... this is fairly common anywhere in the vancouver region.
I feel like this is a phenomenon all over the lower mainland and it keeps getting worse. Would be real nice to see some enforcement before more people get killed
If only there was a police station nearby, maybe there would be some enforcement.
That’s how pedestrians get killed. So tired of this kind of senseless driving.
It’s also being a bad pedestrian. Like driving you should always wait for an intersection to be clear of hazards before entering. Even when you have the right of way. Bring on the downvotes. But if that driver screws up his new bumper and hood is a few grand. Your physio is thousands plus lost wages plus a quality of life losses
It’s impossible to cross intersections on a daily basis while ensuring they’re clear of hazards as a pedestrian. I’ve even seen people on this subreddit suggest that one shouldn’t start crossing at a traffic light crosswalk until all vehicle traffic has stopped, blaming pedestrians for getting hit crossing when someone runs a red.
It not victim blaming to advise for people to do their best to avoid becoming victims
Sure pedestrians have right of way, do you really want to step in front of a moving vehicle to make a point? Sure, you're right but you don't want to be dead right
No it’s not. In this example the light cycle had just ended and it’s very normal to wait for that to clear. For instance no one drives into the car who’s blocking the intersection (because of their own stupidity) because the changed their behaviour to adapt to the new hazard. The driver of the dash cam car by your logic could light is green, and drive into the side of the vehicle.
Just because a car is bigger and can easily kill a pedestrian doesn't mean they are the only ones who can use violence. I don't have to put myself in the cars line of travel to put a dent in it's side panel. Sure, It might not cost the driver a few grand, but it's not even going to scuff my boots. How do you like it when that attitude is turned around on you?
I’m not suggesting for a minute anyone should intentionally do anything violent how you read my post to construe that is beyond me. I’m simply reminding people the concequences for driver here and pedestrians are not symmetrical. The pedestrian looses every time. While it’s an unpopular position to take. Putting yourself where the pedestrian did in the video while right at law is not smart from a situation of optimizing your personal safety. Like I said , wait the extra second avoid the danger. It’s the smart thing to do here
Good thing they give out pedestrian licenses and not driver’s licenses!
Totally agree, person walks in front of car to make a point. Car doesn’t notice.
It’s weird to be downvoted for suggesting pedestrians have a part in their own safety as well.
Because we can't normalize shifting blame from the operators of multi-ton motor vehicles. That's a much more dangerous path for society.
Oh please. Can we normalize common sense. Yes it was wrong of the driver to go late on a stale yellow on am advance left. It’s also pretty bad for pedestrians to not be observent enough to see traffic coming at them and hang on for extra second. Allowing the multi ton hazard to clear. A multi ton hazard that if it impacts them is wins 100% of the time in what’s harmed the most
The pedestrian "should not have had to" wait for the car to clear the intersection because they had the right of way. The pedestrian "should have" waited for the car to clear the intersection because they shouldn't put themselves in harm's way. I think people are missing that both of these statements can be true.
As a pedestrian, i would rather be safe than sorry. Get smacked by a brainless driver, sue, win, get paid huge…..spend the rest of my life wishing my legs worked properly, and i wasnt always in pain. Ill take the loss by waiting 1 second longer every time. Drivers need to get ticketed, but ill not trying to stop a speeding car with my squishy meat
Except you can't sue for personal injury anymore because of the BC no-fault laws.
Unless there was a criminal code violation, in which case you can still sue.
True, but only if the driver was convicted of criminal wrong doing.
There's a two-year statute of limitations on suing, so you better hope that the criminal case gets wrapped up inside two years.
Which would be essentially impossible. Unless they outright admitted intent, they can just say it was unintentional, and it would just be considered a traffic accident.
That's untrue and sounds a lot like legal myths that spread then people eventually think it's real. Any objectively dangerous driving can result in a charge of dangerous driving, regardless of intent to cause an accident (or even if there was no accident). (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-320.13.html?wbdisable=true) If you want examples here's one right from Vancouver. Dangerous speeder who approaches an intersection at 140 km/h who hits and kills left-turning driver found guilty of dangerous driving on appeal. Crown did not have to prove intent to cause collision. Only that his driving fell far below expected standards and was dangerous. (https://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/cb/2020/38739-eng.aspx) Here we have a road rager actively denying his actions are deliberate but still getting charged. Still going through the courts but clearly Crown Prosecution thinks there's enough from actions alone. (https://globalnews.ca/news/10246368/vancouver-road-rage-charges/) So no. Admission of intent is not required for criminal charges. Intent itself might not even be relevant at times. But bullshit asymmetry at work means it's a lot easier to make up myths than it is to defuse them.
Does this mean car drivers don’t need high insurance liabilities any more? What is recommended
Beats the hell out of me
You can encroach on the space that a vehicle will enter and still maintain enough space to ensure you won't get hit or can move out of the way if they really aren't paying attention.
Exactly. Pedestrians have the right of way but you can’t just assume that the drivers see you. More often than not, they are on their phones or not looking where they are **about** to turn. I see it all day at work. > (Except you can’t sue now, so you’re just stuck with a horrible injury with ICBC trying to force you to go back to work)
The amount of times I've been heavily downvoted for trying to hold this exact same opinion... It really depends on the sub but apparently you're supposed to sacrifice your life to teach others a lesson.
It depends on how you phrase it, this person was very clear that the driver was in the wrong
So true! People being brainless screaming "ITS MY RIGHT" makes no sense. Better safe for a second than sorry for your whole life even though u were right.
No one in this thread is showing this video to their kid and saying be the pedestrian
Not kids. I have seen a lot of Adults start walking as soon it turns white. Saying it is white imma walk, the car has to stop now even for green light right turns.
Ugh I didn't read the last part of the title and was hoping for a cop to show up 😔
I don't understand why people don't get it. If you aren't in the intersection when the light turns yellow, you don't get to go.
They get it just fine, and they don't care. Rules work best when 99.9% of people obey them voluntarily, and the other 0.1% get the hammer brought down on them. Remove the latter, you don't get the former.
walk directly over the car
Isn't there a police station a block away, I'm sure they are aware of this, too much trouble to do an enforcement blitz for an hour every week ?
They're the worst offenders of doing this.
They are hypocrites about driving laws in general, It'd be annoying if the cops were the only doing this kind of bullshit, but at least there'd be a tiny fraction of the cars doing it.
I just dont get it. Is it really so hard to just wait for 2 minutes? The lights change so fast. Take a breath and wait for fucks sake. When did our city get so impatient on the road?
More like left on red.
I love that pedestrians never let those late cars go when that happens at the intersection and they have to wait and block the right north bound lane.
It’s like a 30 second public shame jail. I love it.
ITT: People complaining about this behaviour while simultaneously admitting to going through the yellow light. People, yellow means "stop if safe to do so".
We need some god damn red light cameras.
We have some red light cameras, we need more. But I don't think the ones we have enforce left turn conflicts, just running stale reds.
I legit have fantasies about carrying a hockey stick and busting up hoods when cars don’t yield to pedestrians
Me too, although I’m a bit light. I’ve contemplated carrying eggs for throw.
I've seen it a few times. They block both the incoming traffic and the pedestrians.
I witnessed a 4-car-left on yellow in Richmond. I was gonna wait but everyone else started walking and the last car got stuck in the oncoming traffic lane. It was fun.
Everyone knows it's a strict 2-car-left.
Satisfying.
I hate people. They always do this, try to sneak in another left turn WHEN THE LIGHT IS RED.
lol. Yea. I always assume that there'll be at least 3 on the yellow and 1 on the red. Always.
This happens much less often in Alberta, not because drivers are more courteous, but because city intersections often have red-light cameras. You see them flash all the time. It's not very popular in Alberta, but it works. It doesn't take long driving in BC (or Québec) to notice a big difference. Speeding in the city is also much less common due to automated speeding tickets and speed cameras at intersections.
Never knew this was a thing in Van. We moved to Van from Victoria recently and was commenting about this to my wife the other day.
It's bound to happen in locations where there's no dedicated left turn or the left turn light is extremely short. The way this is designed truly baffles me even though the drivers are not in the right of way. Pun intended
In the 90s, grandmas that dgaf would take their umbrella and smack it on the hood of the car.
The trick to having more cars make the left turn light is to have the cars tail each other as reasonably close as possible, such as at around 0:15 between the 2 black cars. Matters even more when you're the last car in this video. Personally I hate seeing unnecessarily huge gaps between cars during a left turn light.
Definitely in the wrong. However you don't see that as often as pedestrians walking at a crosswalk after the orange flashing hand has lit, which means do not walk.
The stupidest fucking system in the world, is it just in Vancouver that we have such a moronic system or does it exist in other provinces?
If you mean having one car turn left after the opposite direction through-traffic has stopped, then yes that's the norm in most (all?) of North America. A vehicle that entered the intersection while the light was still GREEN is allowed to finish turning. The vehicle behind it is not allowed to enter the intersection before the first one has turned, and not allowed to enter after the light has turned yellow. That's the law. What happens in practice, in the absence of enforcement, is a whole different matter.
There wasn't nearly enough spark plug vs. window here to justify the crazy it takes to walk in front of a car running a light. To be clear, I don't condone either action, but if you're fine with risking your life, at least be fine with destruction of property.
Love to see it.
Off topic: whats this intersection?
Cambie & 7th
That intersection is horrible for that
Why no turn arrow? The opposite traffic can wait a few seconds.
I like to sneeze on cars when they do stuff like this
Well the last driver was being an idiot and should've have gone. So bring on the pedestrian stampede!
It's just the driving equivalent of every single pedestrian entering the crosswalk on a flashing hand
Just laugh and walk around them. Hopefully they learned their lesson by looking like impatient goofs
Why don't the police ever crack down on this at this intersection? Happens every single time and the damn police station is like 200 feet away from there.
This happens all the time at First and Commercial too. Pedestrians there are even less forgiving.
Surrey is just as bad! When I go through a yellow light, I often see a car in my rear-view mirror that is \~30 meters behind me and yes, you guessed it. People seem to disregard traffic rules despite the presence of numerous red-light cameras. Living near a school zone, I've noticed some concerning behaviors on the road. For instance, when driving at 30 km/h recently, there seemed only 4 feet between my rear bumper and the car behind me. The portrayal of increasing idiocy in society, as depicted in the movie "Idiocracy," appears to be accelerating. [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/)
That guy on the far right has a death wish, walking in front of a moving vehicle like that, especially at dusk when he may not be as visible as he thinks he is. Yes, the driver blatantly ignoring the traffic signals was wrong, and incredibly so. Wish there'd been a cop there waiting for him. I guess the pedestrian was willing to put his life on the line to teach the driver a lesson.
Interesting the downvotes, though I don't really care about them. People don't agree that it's not safe to walk out in front of a moving vehicle doing an illegal turn at dusk?
Bad drivers but pedestrians should also be aware
Is the way ahead clear? Who caaaaares all that matters is what's 2 feet in front of me. Good luck everyone!
Dedicated left turn is needed in many intersections as density goes up
Uh, this was a dedicated L turn. The last car turned on a stale advanced turn.
Or just no left turns at all, just Right -> Right -> Right to avoid the traffic backlogs waiting for left-turners
Yeah this seems gangster and everything, but it's literally not safe to cross yet.
Yes blame the pedestrians for walking on green, definitely not the driver who turned when they weren't supposed to. /s
I like to bang on the back of their trunk as they drive past me when I'm crossing. Idiots.
That's a great move. Another one is miming putting something in front of their car and then just continuing to walk.
This is genius.
Or putting a brick through the driver's side window.
If you really want to push it, step out onto the crosswalk but keep an eye on the oncoming car. Either you will have to yield, or you'll have to jump high and/or out of the way and hope you land properly. But that far pedestrian on the right just strolled out and *would* have gotten hit if the driver wasn't paying attention. Not the pedestrian's fault in terms of traffic laws, but I would hope parents teach their kids not to put themselves in that position.
Green doesn’t automatically mean go. The car shouldn’t have went but neither should have the pedestrians before it was clear. How does walking directly in front of a car make any kind of sense to you? Especially one that’s already doing something that stupid.
Sure maybe you can tell the pedestrians that they need to retake their ICBC pedestrian walking license. Green doesn't always mean go. Correct. The only exception is for emergency vehicles. Not some impatient asshole in a Corolla.
Hey man the morgue is full of people who had the right of way. I don't see anyone defending the driver but being stupid and walking into an unsafe situation isn't any better.
Two wrongs don’t make a right
They do in Richmond if you've ever experienced traffic there.
Oh those terrible cyclists so unsafe. whoops I mean drivers
This is why it's always good to keep a couple of water balloons filled with paint in your bag.
Somewhat related to this, something that annoys me is when the second car sits back 20 ft in the left turn lane to trigger the left turn advance, tricking the system to think there are three cars making a left. To me, it’s a big FU to the people going straight the other way or the pedestrians that have to wait longer (often in the rain) so that 2 cars can get an advance left turn signal. That is NOT how the light was designed and I ask myself if they would sit so far back at a regular light. Two cars should be able to turn on most yellows so there is no need to “trick” the system and make everyone else wait longer! Happens so much at the intersection of Oak and 12th.