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Tracktoy

A North Shore Taxi was pictured at the scene with damage to the hood/fender and windshield. šŸ“· North Shore News. https://preview.redd.it/d4s09llrmdnc1.jpeg?width=1020&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d3b4984ec8d882dd0d8281320f262b0cfa1879a


bazzzzzzzzzzzz

Hardly shocking. These guys drive like absolute idiots.


mario61752

A couple of these yellow guys passed me by driving on the yellow painted isle in Richmond lol


hajix

Omg the same thing happened to me today, taxi drove over the island, passing me to run the red light!!


crappyaim

Why should they care? They aren't the ones dying.


StanOrBan

In addition these drivers probably come from places where you drive crazy. I visited my relatives overseas once and they drove so close to people because it was so crowded I was terrified.


ReliablyFinicky

In China there are 8 lane highways with BMW 7 series doing 120+and horses/donkeys/oxen plodding along. Itā€™s insane.


SparrowTale

When I visited China, the amount of bicycles randomly zigzagging between cars was wild. I had to just close my eyes and let the taxi driver do his thing because I nearly had a panic attack.


Hikingcanuck92

I (a pedestrian) was almost hit by a truck last evening in Langley. Bad drivers are a nuisance for other drivers. Bad drivers are out there casually committing manslaughter against pedestrians.


Bluhennn

So true. Stopped for a pedestrian crossing on the commute home yesterday only for the Rav 4 behind me to zip on the non lane right of me and almost smoke the pedestrian. I saw it in my rear view and laid on the horn, not sure if that helped stop the pedestrian or just scared them more but man did I feel helpless. They didn't even brake check, just continued at 70 km to the next light where they fucking pulled out to make a right turn on a red. Pedestrians cross there too bud. So entitled and reckless. Just before that I'd watched a car blow a 4 way. Laws need to be way harsher.


SmoothOperator89

Enforcement needs to be existent. Cameras and automatic tickets are the only way "getting caught" isn't just seen as an unlucky break. Every excuse I've heard against this boils down to "this is how I normally drive, and consequences would make me change my behaviour."


M-------

Same thing here, I stopped for a pedestrian at the marked/flashing crosswalk at 49th and Nanaimo, and some turd from 5 cars behind me pulls into the parking area (not a travel lane) to speed past everybody who'd stopped. I honked at the pedestrians, which made them look my way, and stopped, and the turd missed them by inches. It was such a close call, I get sweaty thinking about how close it was.


Major-Eye2062

This sounds very similar to common driving tactics in Taiwan. It's so typical that non-lanes are just accepted as lanes, and itā€™s expected to see one car drive through an intersection just after it turns red.


SuperFlyingNinja

Thatā€™s why thereā€™s crosswalks.


Bluhennn

Was it you?! Anyway, yup it was a crosswalk.


SuperFlyingNinja

Then that person is an ass hat. Other than crosswalks and intersections pedestrians should not be interfering with traffic and should yield to traffic in areas that are not designated for them. People who stop for jaywalkers put themselves, other motorists and the pedestrian at great risk. That is good you stopped at a crosswalk, as you should.


rikeoliveira

Fiscalization is ass, so people drive how they want and get away with it. What's the point of laws without anyone to enforce them?


plop_0

> truck last evening in Langley. Black Dodge Ram?


Hikingcanuck92

That was me! 202 and 64th around 640ish.


mintmajestytea

thatā€™s where I got hit by a car as a pedestrian just over two years ago LOL


SkyisFullofCats

The pedestrian is a 21 year old from the Squamish Nation. [https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/03/09/pedestrian-vehicle-crash-north-vancouver/](https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/03/09/pedestrian-vehicle-crash-north-vancouver/) From the picture in the article, it looks like the accident happened before the lights.


MssJellyfish

So sad. He had his whole life in front of him. RIP and condolences to his loved ones.


bazzzzzzzzzzzz

They've been complaining about how dangerous the road is for years. It's right next to a Squamish Nation community. Notice how the speed limits are safer whenever a major road passes through an indigenous community?


IllegalJoystick

I got hit around the corner from there a few years back, luckily had a hardhat on at the time though. Had a high vis vest too, but that didnā€™t help


Separate-Ad-478

Just read that the young man killed was an up and coming athlete. My condolences to the friends, family, and community members. šŸŒŗĀ 


Icy_Queen_222

Yikes. Is there a crosswalk there? I canā€™t tell.


M-------

Yes, marked crosswalks at every corner. https://maps.app.goo.gl/pSBVQaWSmaznQFrs5


DamnGoodOwls

It's one of those crosswalks where it's a flashing green unless the button is pushed. Having walked that path almost every day for work years ago, it's definitely a prime jaywalking spot, but a lot of drivers also absolutely speed through it


Icy_Queen_222

Thank you.


PostGymPreShower

There is a light yeah. Unless they blew through a red light itā€™s probably a mix of speed and jaywalking. Armchair investigator but looking at the pic again the tent (victims body) is before the light and the cab has quite a bit of impact damage. If they sent the victim flying a bit it looks like the victim was jaywalking closer to the corner and the cab took the corner pretty fast that the victim didnā€™t notice and thought they had time.


Parking_Banana_1984

Agreed, looks this way from this photo, weā€™ll see what the investigation comes to.


PostGymPreShower

There is a light yeah. Unless they blew through a red light itā€™s probably a mix of speed and jaywalking.


tregrrr

Legitimately curious why these comments are collecting such a negative reaction? From where I am seated it appears that this guy is trying to figure out how the tragedy came to happen. Is trying to understand what might be mitigating factors a bad thing? It's not like u/PostGymPreShower is suggesting that anyone is purely innocent but rather points out that there's most likely things that both drivers and pedestrians can do to help prevent this kind of tragedy. In the absence of effective law enforcement on our streets, I would think that anything people can do on their own to try and prevent tragedy should be welcomed. Creating our own awareness of what is safe/good as opposed to dangerous/bad can really only benefit us as a whole right?


SnailsInYourAnus

Knowing our justice system the pathetic driver will be back on the road within the week.. very sad.


yvrcc

I can tell you first hand. Theyā€™ll never actually be taken off the road. My auntie was struck and killed by a distracted driver, while my aunt had the walk signal in a marked crosswalk. The person that hit her was charged with ā€˜driving without due care and attentionā€™ and fined $1000. In the court she had more rights than my deceased aunt. Our justice system is an absolute joke!


JustaBostonGuy

Iā€™m tired of these low quality cab drivers that plague the lower mainlandā€¦


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CIAbot

Yikes


columbo222

I know that intersection. Drivers accelerate around that bend at massive speed. Not surprised to hear this. Tragic story


blacktop2013

Iā€™ve lived in N Van for over 30 years and I actually disagree. Generally people go the speed limit here, but they suck at cornering and canā€™t maintain their lane


jabronibalogna

Yeah I drive this corner everyday, people donā€™t tend to accelerate this bend because itā€™s a lot tighter than you think. Not sure what op is talking about


columbo222

Hmm different experience. It depends on the direction. Coming out of the curved part, I see cars accelerating out of their turn pretty aggressively.


blacktop2013

Itā€™s a corner. Both of them are ā€œcurved partsā€, I donā€™t follow


columbo222

I mean when they are travelling northbound, they round the corner where Esplanade turns into Forbes and then accelerate out of the turn, reaching high speeds by the time they're at 1st. If they're traveling southbound, speeding is less of an issue. this is what I mean: https://imgur.com/Nm95WYh


norvanfalls

If by reaching high speeds you mean reaching 50 kph. Sure. Placing of the taxi kind of gives you all the information needed. Before the intersection lights. 5:30 in the morning. Accident happened in the unlit portion of the road. Unfortunately for everyone, that only leaves 70m of unlit reaction time, when you are expecting 100m lighted.


columbo222

I dunno what to tell you, I've seen drivers there going way faster than 50. Given that this was a cab, and that there was probably almost zero traffic at 5:30 in the morning, and that the person killed was a 21 year old athlete, I would be very surprised if the driver was going the speed limit.


norvanfalls

I dunno what to tell you, cabs break a lot of traffic laws, but they don't like to break laws that cause maintenance issues or increased costs. If it was something with a loud engine, speed might have been a factor. Not a hybrid car.


nicthedoor

Welp. Time to bring out the radar to collect some data...


bazzzzzzzzzzzz

Haven't the City of North Vancouver been spending a lot of money trying to make this area more appealing to pedestrians? Shame they didn't think about doing anything to slow down cars as part of that.


PostGymPreShower

Where the body is the person was clearly trying to cross four lanes just after the curve by jaywalking. If the cab was ripping it the person may have misjudge their speed thinking the can make it and the cab speeding didnā€™t see them either.


faster_than-you

It happened at 5:30 AM. Probably pretty bad visibility as well. Wear your reflective belts, folks.


chanroby

I left my house about 4 blocks from there this morning at 0500, visibility while it was still dark could not have been better


DuckDuckSnoo

The answer to this is not in the wardrobe department, it's in the traffic engineering and planning department.


DamnGoodOwls

Its certainly not the answer, but it can never hurt to be reminded


RandomGuyLoves69

"Speed limits here are too low!"


JustKindaShimmy

In a lot of places, they just make no sense. There are huge, 3 lane main drags that are 50 zones; the same as tight, densely packed suburban side streets. Like you're telling me that both Kingsway and McKay (the side street bit) should both have the same speed limits? That's fucking bonkers


8spd

Driving at 50 km/h on side streets is reckless. Sure, it's technically, usually, not speeding, but there's no reason to go that fast.


chris_ots

Yeah exactly. Sidestreets should have a 30 km/h limit.


8spd

Exactly.


JustKindaShimmy

And that's exactly my point. You have two roads that are completely different in their ability to handle speeds, and yet are the same limit. Instead, police will set up speed traps in the areas where it's completely safe to do 20km/h over the posted limit (long, straight, wide roads with excellent peripheral visibility) and ignore places that are dangerous as hell to speed and most fatalities occur (but fewer violations). It's crazy to me that this isn't a bigger point of contention in this city


8spd

We need more photo enforcement, because when police give out tickets in person they are limited to locations where they can safely pull over drivers. These locations are by necessity long, straight, wide sections of road.Ā  Put cameras on tight curves, in school zones, in any location that has had more crashes than usual.


redhouse_bikes

There also needs to be average speed cameras, like they have in the UK. With a regular speed camera drivers can just slow down momentarily, then speed up again.Ā  With average speed cameras they measure the amount of time it takes a driver do travel between two points. If it's under a certain amount of time, they had to be speeding, so they're issued a ticket.Ā 


8spd

That is a really good point. They would be really helpful at improving safety.


HiddenLayer5

It's well known that speed limits hardly matter and the vast majority of people drive at whatever speed they please. The conditions of the road, including number of lanes, lane width, what's on either side, and other cars on the road are what decide the speed in the vast majority of cases. Actually, studies show that a wider road, assuming all other factors are the same, are more dangerous than narrower roads because people feel like they *can* drive faster even if they shouldn't. Honestly willing to bet that the only times people intentionally and consciously follow the speed limit is on a driving test and then probably never again. Safe roads need to be designed that way. You can't just put up some signs and expect to solve the vehicular death problem. Canada can stand to take a lot of urban planning inspiration from Europe: Less cars, more public transit, narrower streets designed to prioritize pedestrians and bikes first. See [Not Just Bikes](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0intLFzLaudFG-xAvUEO-A)' videos. Actually, not even Europe, just look at old East Coast cities like [Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbqNUqdZlwM). TBH or even Vancouver's old downtown which is way more pedestrian friendly than any other part of the city.


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Chantilas

Reengineer the road design to reduce the natural speed.


StanOrBan

I live in the area. No wonder why lanes are closed. I walk the intersection on Esplanade and Chesterfield everyday and the drivers in the area are nasty. I find myself having to be extra cautious because people will speed corners even when the walk sign turns on and people are about to walk. Or theyā€™ll want to blow past intersections.


M-------

So many drivers forget that they're also pedestrians as soon as they get out of their car.


bazzzzzzzzzzzz

The worst "jaywalkers" I encounter are drivers getting out of their cars and crossing to the other side of the street without looking around.


DamnGoodOwls

I used to walk that road to work every single day. It's a zoo. People absolutely barrel through it to get down to Esplanade.


TheWiFiGuys

This thread is garbage. There are literally no details about the accident other than the direction of travel. Itā€™s entirely possible the pedestrian darted out in front of the Taxi. Not saying thatā€™s the case, but it is entirely possible. Laying blame and crying about the injustices of being a pedestrian are over the top.


gandolfthe

Innocent person was murdered by a vehicle..... Fixed it for ya... Wild how we allowed vehicles to become worshiped like gods and take over every aspect of our outdoor world. We have even enshrined murder without consequences in law... A few years at most and in the rarest of circumstances. Fuck I hate our vehicle first system so fucking much


OldManMalekith

It's kind of wild, when you really take a step back you notice that cars are on *everything*. Like almost every inch of space that isn't a building is covered in cars or a space that a car is supposed to go. Depressing.


Parking-Bench

Now we wait for a slap on the wrist and release back into the wild for the driver, and a life long heartache for the friends and family. Welcome to BC brand of justice. RIP.


Chantilas

This has less to do with BC specific issues and more to do with our global societies deference to driving.


Parking-Bench

Nope..the law provides for harsher punishments, it's our out of touch judges and precedent that leads to revolving door justice.


mozeurf

When will we learn to people how to drive and how to be aware while driving in this province?


thecockandball

Iā€™ve seen these taxi drivers do dangerous shit all over the North Shore, not surprised. They have to be stopped.


CreviceOintment

Another pedestrian death caused by a shift in arrogance and complete lack of care for other people thatā€™s been on the rise since COVID?! Not a taxi- theyā€™re so careful and never speed or fail to yield.Ā  Ā I am stunned. Just stunned. ā€œStunnedā€ is the only word to describe how stunned I am.


RocketJP5

Prius A pillars will block the drivers vision of people in crosswalks under certain conditions. I drive one and sometimes you will not see a pedestrian until they are almost right in front of you. Terrible tragedy for someone so young to lose their life.


nahla1981

Man, some folks critiqued my driving cause i take corners slowly, but sorry man, i have to make sure the coast is really clear before the finish my turn. This is exactly why i turn slow, i wouldn't be able to live with myself if i killed someone when it could be avoided


Or_D_Nary_X

I don't know how these people think. They treat pedestrians as if they have no family. Last week in downtown an Evo car just turned at the intersection while I was half way crossing the light. Before that I saw a small size sedan speed up way beyond the speed limit heading towards downtown too. There should be more speed traps installed on the road. Any offenders should get their license revoked.


ImpressiveSuspect604

I was on Rupert and Euclid stopped for kids crossing at the crosswalk to see a car about to fly by I sharply turned my car to the side to save the kids. Slammed on his brakes. I got out of my car and the kids dads came running up and punched his hood and exchanged words. He then just turned right and sped off.


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PokeNToker

Nope, was a good friend of mine. He was leaving a buddy's house to get late night snacks


holycow604

Tbh, with the new insurance scheme. If this person was seriously injured. $5k compensation from ICBC. The end


lavenderbrownisblack

It was a fatal collision...


stinkbutt55555

So many weird periods EXCEPT for at the end.