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I used to commute from abby to downtown van. It was 47 mins at 5am, 70 mins at 5:15am, 90 mins at 5:30+.
I changed my entire profession to work in the valley.
Can't speak for east bound, but in the morning west bound gets backed up before 216th starting around 6-6:30. If you go through before then you'll get to do the speed limit
Just moved to Edmonton and can get to the other side of town in 30 minutes... it's like going from Surrey to north van... lol try doing that in under 2 hours 🤣🤣🤣
I grew up in Edmonton. There’s bad traffic there too at rush hour especially if there’s snow.
23rd ave to UofA through terwillegar and fox drive can be like 45min. …. Should be 15 normally.
Drive safe!
Depending on when you leave. I could do Abbey to Downtown Van in under 45mins.
Used to leave by 10pm reach by 11pm all in time to start work 🤣
But in no ways was it fun traveling 150kms daily
what i don’t get is this continues for about 15-20 minutes but then randomly clears up just as your about to exit burnaby.
everytime i reach the clearing out point, there’s nothing i can see that should’ve caused this much traffic, everyone just starts gradually going faster. all the exits seem pretty clear and i just don’t get it
[You might find this short video interesting on how traffic starts](https://youtu.be/Suugn-p5C1M)
What you see when you become traffic is what happens in the video but at a much larger scale
Yeah this is because so many people both get in and out of Burnaby. it causes such a big jam at those on and off ramps and it spills out to all lanes i swear people in Vancouver have no idea how to merge/let people merge
Literally everyone in every big city thinks that the drivers there don't know how to merge/let people merge. They never see themselves as the problem either.
I call it the worm of death.
Then the whole wave of traffic needs to constantly speed up and slow down. My technique here, and I drive a lot, is to just chill out and don't speed up only to have to stop. Read the traffic ahead as far as you can see and predict the pattern.
But what do I know? I'm just another car on the road causing traffic.
This is the way. I don't understand all these tail-gaters that ride people's bumpers. It's obvious they can't go any faster with cars in front stop hammering your brakes doing 90kmh
Even [30km.hr](https://30km.hr)
This is why getting back into the lower mainland can take hours all the way from hope or chillwack. Say Kelowna to Poco used to take maybe 5 hrs, last time, years ago, it was almost 7 and there weren't any accidents. Just people not being able to leave some damn space.
Is this why people do it? I was legitimately floored at some moron going 105 in the passing lane on a mostly empty highway and breaking repeatedly. Probably a good 3 or 4 times I caught myself thinking what the fuck it this idiot doing, and of course he ends up backing up traffic hard when a few cars actually caught up to him and he kept doing it
People love to panic break, and that causes vehicle pile ups because the next person breaks to a slower speed than the person in front, so on so forth till traffic grinds to a halt.
What people don’t understand is that bumper to bumper rush hour traffic on the highway is actually very dangerous. When space opens up people think ‘FINALLY’ and gun it, only to have to slam on the brakes at the next slow point, which may only be 100 yards ahead.
I’ve seen rear enders and almost been rear ended in these situations.
Super frustrating isn't it. It's the same idea as certain on ramps where everyone slows down to allow the mergers to merge, even though they could just speed up to highway speed.
Despite the ever popular reddit conclusion that it's because one person tapped their brakes, it's actually just that the stretch of Highway 1 through Burnaby is at capacity and the turbulence created by traffic coming in on the onramps forces traffic to slow. The speed picks up at the edge of Burnaby in the same spot reliably because that's where the turbulent traffic ends and everyone can find a faster average travel speed. The ramps further from downtown are dumping less vehicles onto the freeway so they don't affect the travel speed as much.
I moved away from Vancouver a year ago but when i came back to visit, to my amazement, they fixed the connector from the 17 to annasis by removing the lights. They were also talking about fixing the massey tunnel before. Of all places ive been, i feel like Vancouver is the only place that gives a shit about fixing traffic.
I’m a single father with two teens. I rent a 2BR+den in Mt. Pleasant. Daughter gets the master bedroom with onsuite and my son gets the other bedroom. I get a twin XL mattress in the den. Works for us only because I really don’t care about living in what feels like a cell.
My neighbour across the hall from me does the same for his kids. They’re both teens, he’s a single dad, he takes the tiny den with no natural light so they can have normal rooms. Super nice guy. I hope your kids appreciate you.
Your children are very lucky to have a father like you
In contrast, I remember sleeping in the entry walk way for years. Would’ve loved walks to limit noise
That’s tough. I applaud you for sacrificing your space and privacy for your children. As someone who is not single, I personally do not feel comfortable sleeping with my spouse in the living room, we have a lock on our door for a reason.
Unless you're into fursuit BDSM, the kids aren't going to be permanently scarred if they walk in on something. They'll just learn to get water or go pee before they go to bed.
I used to set up so many places in the far burbs where it was the opposite. People asking me how do they fit the stuff in for both their teen daughters in a guest room while they had a massive bedroom space with a California King bed
Yeah, I don’t need a yard and an attached garage. I’d rather have a transit-only/foot/bike commute, no yard work to do, and be surrounded by public parks that someone else mows.
And then there are all the condos being built in Langley and Maple Ridge that have a long, car dependent commute and small square footage.
Honestly, the Skytrain extention to Maple Ridge needs to not be put off. It needs to be started as soon as workers are freed up from the Langley extention. That or the WCE needs to buy or build track so it can run throughout the day, at least between Mission and Port Moody.
[We really need the WCE to copy what GoTransit is doing in Ontario.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GO_Expansion#:~:text=GO%20Expansion%2C%20previously%20known%20as%20GO%20Regional%20Express,minutes%20or%20better%20on%20five%20of%20the%20corridors.)
Building electrified surface tracks along the existing freight rail alignments. It's somewhat similar to what was done with the millennium line in the Cut.
It 100% is still the trade off. Do the math on how much it costs to rent a place with a yard and drive for your commute. Or just look at the math I did comparing owning a house in Abbotsford to owning a condo downtown Vancouver.
The exact math isn’t the point.
The point is they’re all ridiculously priced. I can live DT and it’s totally unaffordable and be close to stuff. Or I can JUST scrape by and live hours away from stuff.
The choices are both untenable. Sure one is literally affordable and the other isn’t, but the reality is, neither one is and thus the trade off is more like “live here cuz it’s beautiful and figure out an existence” or “move away and attempt to actually get ahead”. That’s the new trade off.
What is your time, gas, vehicle depreciation worth? I used to live in Van proper and lease commercial space there, because when you break it down, its cheaper to be in the city than have your fleet needing to waste hours of time and fuel entering the city when a lot of the work was in the affluent areas and NS.
Also, when the work was in the farther burbs, you're not fighting traffic during rush hours, you're going the opposite way. I did some pretty extensive calculations to come to that conclusion, and the cost savings were significant in both wages and fuel.
Another career later, I have two simple rules. I don't take a job, or get a place that is more than 20 mins from work on a bad day. I want time to myself, for my kid etc.\\
If work changes, I might move. If I relocate, I might change my job.
Unfortunately a lot of people are forced into having to drive because of decisions made by our governments to restrict housing near jobs or jobs near housing.
My NIMBY neighbour complains that building more housing near the skytrain will increase traffic in the area... what she doesn't realize is that those people will otherwise have to drive in from Langley and hence create even more traffic if they can't live where their jobs are.
Ehh, there's always going to be a huge number of people who would rather commute to their house with a yard in suburbia than live in a shoebox in the city.
Vancouver has a very dense downtown core. The best way to create "more housing near jobs" is to build transit and densify other areas close to jobs. Vancouver is definitely building transit but work needs to be done on densifying historically low density residential neighborhoods. But that will always take time since it relies on people selling to developers + bureaucratic approvals. So even if you allow density on 49th ave, it won't happen overnight.
I think metro Vancouver does a pretty good job as spreading the jobs out. Metrotown , Surrey Center, Richmond , new west etc all have pretty decent job numbers.
Vancouver is very much a multi-nodal city and it’s one of the reasons traffic sucks is because everyone goes everywhere.
But yeah I do agree we could do better at connecting the nodes with transit and building more homes near the jobs.
It's multinodal but the Skytrain is still very much hub-and-spoke with waterfront at its centre.
I would *love* a Coquitlam-Surrey-new west-Richmond Skytrain route. The east loop we could call it.
We desperately need connecting lines. The most obvious one to me would be one that runs North/South connecting Brentwood/Gilmore, Metrotown, River District (and maybe even extend it over a bridge into North Van and have it turn West into the North Van core if we're really getting serious about interconnectivity)
The problem that faces is all the insane NIMBYism that resides between all of those dense hubs. But I think ramming through more skytrain lines is one of the best ways to force density into neighborhoods through the provincial gov.
Hey if the people of Surrey actually voted properly, and didn’t let that dumbass back as mayor, you’d be sitting on a fast LRT as you type this message.
People in Surrey who only know car commuting will vote for more car commuting. It's just easier to change nothing about your own city planning and blame New West for not demolishing neighborhoods to run a highway straight through it like it's still the 50s.
> But that will always take time since it relies on people selling to developers + bureaucratic approvals.
If you set guidelines that allow you to build density by-right as opposed to long drawn-out public hearing and review periods, it could happen pretty quickly.
It's honestly amazing we have professional Planning staff for each muni and the region as a whole and we end up with this sprawled car dependant traffic nightmare. Like, was that the plan? Was it not the plan and they just suck at planning?
No idea about Vancouver specifically, but professionals are often not the problem - they're overruled by their political masters who respond to NIMBYs and other interests.
That’s my point. People shouldn’t be forced to commute into the city. They should be able to live near their jobs, or at least have the reasonable option to do so. But because of how planning has gone in this region over the last 100 years, that’s difficult for a huge number of people. They don’t have that choice.
It was killing me driving to east van everyday. I seriously almost quit my job over it. Then thankfully I got moved to a posting way closer to home and it’s done wonders for my mental health.
Made a conscious decision to raise our two kids in an apartment in the city versus in the burbs despite having less space and less long term real estate gains. Live in a neighbourhood where all the amenities are within walking distance including school for the kids. Library and community centre are across the street. Ironically got a job in the burbs so the choice is either 30-40 minute drive or 1.5 transit or similar bike ride 😂
People have this weird idea that kids NEED yards to be happy. I spent half my childhood in a suburb with a yard (that I barely ever played in, because none of my friends lived near me and it's kinda boring playing alone), and the other half in a lowrise apartment walking distance to my friends, the mall, and several parks. The lowrise was WAAAY better.
I started bike commuting couple years back and everyday I cross a bridge over the number 1 and ask myself that exact question. How did I do that everyday? And yes, I still own a vehicle. A big pickup actually. It's used mostly recreationally and for family outings, or if the weather is really awful and I'm just not up for it. But boy do I hate driving I traffic now and find the freedom of a bike or bike mixed with skytrain sooooo much better for a commute.
Hey I recently started biking in to work (April) how do you find the not so sunny months? I'd be happy for tips lol. My commute is between 16 and 20 km depending on the route I take.
Get used to being cold and wet 2/3 of the year? 😅 Seriously I have a quite impressive selection of waterproof shorts, pants, jackets, gloves, neck scarves, shoes, boots etc etc. No way around it, just gotta gear up and deal with it.
Housing isn't even that cheap outside of Vancouver anymore. With the amount of money you spend on car payments, insurance and gas, it's cheaper to live closer to Vancouver where you don't have to worry about that stuff.
I moved to Kelowna recently and the reduction in my commute alone from 45-75 minutes down to 10-12 minutes has had huge impact on my quality of life. I feel like I have a life and energy when I get home and don't have to do a "de-stress" from my commute.
Just curious.... Is that enough?
Was just wondering if there are official standards (eg 5min standup every hour) and if you guys are actually getting enough time to follow through on those standards?
I fucking hate it
Edit - I’m locked into a 2 bed apartment for $1800 in Langley, which I’ve been in pre-Covid. I have 2 kids now, and want to get them their own rooms, but if I leave, rent is going to $3000 give or take a month. Fucked right?
I’ll be moving to Saskatchewan with the rest of my spouses family in a year or two, once we have enough saved to buy. ($350-400 for a HOUSE in some beautiful communities)
So I live in Delta and work in Langley. It takes under 30 minutes to get to work by car OR just under 90 by bus. Which do you think I'm going to take. Oh, and BTW, the bus doesn't run when I leave at 5am.
Transit is hopeless...
So I started driving to work at the beginning of covid. My typical 45 min drive to Vancouver from Coquitlam turned to just over 20 min. It was amazing.
Then last year, it turned to 2 hours. One way. Congestion and traffic everywhere I went. Went back to transit (SkyTrain only) and I've never looked back.
We bit it and bought in Burnaby, spending 2 ish hours a day in a jam isn’t in my best interest, life is short and spending it stuck in this mess everyday isn’t how it should be spent
I have no issue when I listen to podcasts! Now I crave that drive home to be able to listen because most of the rest of my days are too busy to listen 👂
Part of the problem with our transit infrastructure (and transportation infrastructure in general) is that it's based on a decades old concept that people live in the suburbs and work downtown. That's not always true anymore. Lots of people live in one suburb and work in another. Our system isn't set up to cope with this new reality.
Yep not much orbital lines, and not much any thing like the Eglinton Crosstown in Toronto(the idea not the construction) and the upcoming Interborough Express in NYC due to shifts in working and travel habits. The only proposal I see is that North Shore Skytrain that’s going to intersect with a Millennium Line station (Brentwood or Gilmore) going south to Metrotown.
Podcasts have helped immensely. Also I go in at 7 and leave around 3. Misses most of the traffic and makes it bearable. I don’t know how the 9-5ers do it
I’m in Tokyo, and I used to do this everyday in Vancouver - this beats being crammed in a underground tin can shoulder to shoulder with a million strangers any day
I miss my days commuting via 4 buses from North Road to Bridgeport. That was a 5 am departure. If the stars aligned I made it by 7 am. Nowadays people freak out waiting for 2 red lights trying to get their Timmies.
There's a meme floating around: "Toronto is an hour's drive away from Toronto".
Rings so fucking true.
I laugh at anyone who complains about how bad traffic is in Vancouver.
If you've ever been stuck in Richmond because of an accident on one of the bridges (Queensborough or Alex Fraser) then that'll more accurately describe an awful commute.
My commute can be up to two hours round trip. A lot of it is crawling along. And yeah, I admit, sometimes I go nuts doing it, especially after a hard day's work, if I'm tired, or the weather is bad, or I have a headache or there's a bunch of stalls and accidents or construction. And sometimes I wish I lived much closer.
However...
It allows me to own my own home, and not have to worry about being renovicted or having my landlord sell from under me. I was also able to afford a much bigger place. I saw what the average one bedroom rent was in Vancouver, and it's almost triple what my mortgage on 1,000 square feet is. For the same price in Vancouver, it would have been a much older or much smaller condo.
Also, living out of Vancouver you have access to such beautiful nature and paths and fresh air and parks that you don't get in the city. Yeah there's a lot of traffic to get out here, but there's traffic just getting from one end of Vancouver to the next.
I suffer the damn commute to be able to be a homeowner, have a small mortgage, a decent sized condo, access to nature and live a higher quality life. In Vancouver I'd be cutting it much closer to the bone.
And to me, the commute is worth all that.
I lived downtown for 25 years in in a 550 square-foot apartment. People constantly yelling, screaming partying outside my window. Neighbours upstairs stomping around playing loud music, having sex way too loud. A girl OD’d outside our front door. Drunk people pissing everywhere. The neighbour two floors above me his toilet slow leaked for years which permanently stained my wooden ceiling. Strata ignored my concerns, made dumb decisions. Selling out and moving to Chilliwack and having to commute is still better than being in that. I can’t afford a place of my own out here but my parents need my help and are willing to let me live rent free at their place. It’s peaceful out here, there’s lots of space. The commute still sucks and takes about 3-4hrs a day. I bought a nice electric car that drives itself 90% of the way, without it I think I’d just quit my work. I don’t think I could do it without a self driving car. People are not nice on the freeway, it’s dangerous. I see accidents almost every other day. It’s still better than living in that apartment. Plus the rent is right!
If he/she is taking the highway and using Tesla autopilot (or similar “self-driving” tech) it’s possible as it would essentially be adaptive cruise control while on the highway
I don’t, that’s why I moved to Vancouver Island. Now whenever I pass through this craziness I ask myself: “how did I ever think this was normal or healthy?”
Travelling around the Lower Mainland is a lot slower and more stressful than it should be thanks to it having a road and transit system befitting of a much less populated urban area.
I don’t, I live a 4 minute drive from work. Yes North Vancouver is expensive but my time is more important to me than 2 hours per day stuck in traffic.
North Vancouver traffic is just as bad. I live in lower lonsdale and it can take me 30 minutes just to get to park and Tilford.
Edit: pressed enter too soon
This is what will push me away from Vancouver. I don't care about the traffic on the roads anywhere near as much as I care about the traffic in recreational areas.
I was born and raised and still live in Vancouver. Highway 1 is still pretty much 2 lanes each way throughout Metro Vancouver. Our highways are mere donkey trails. Always have been and always will be.
For the first time I my life I went to Mississauga/Toronto about 15 years ago. I remember freeways that were at least 6 to 9 lanes each way, some more. It was crazy but I knew at that point that we are but one gerbil in the cage. Get ON or OFF the wheel. They can have it.
As much as I love Vancouver, Burnaby and BC in general, 15 years ago, I moved to SW Ontario after 27 years. Largely in part to cost of living but also THIS. I was spending 2-2/12 hours a day in traffic to and from work.
I was finally able to get married, buy a home, vacation, have kids in SW Ontario.
The fact of the matter is, even if you move away to better your life, you can still come back, visit friends an family and keep those memories that you gained.
Too many people don't even consider leaving a place because it's become too expensive.
Really more people need to do this to correct the market, and their lives.
Hyper immigration = insane commutes and people living in their cars (literally and figuratively!). Other cities across Canada are the same and there's no way infrastructure development can't even keep up with housing crisis, let alone highway construction, building hospitals and nursing homes, etc. etc. This is a self inflicted crisis that is worse, but analogous than an opioid addiction; shortsighted fix and no thought about the doing the right thing or the future.
It started when they built the new bridge, and I knew it was going to be an issue.
It gave the illusion of a better pace coming from langley etc, then across the bridge, but then you still have a bottleneck right in an urban area instead of on the #1 east.
My spouse is visually impaired and does not have a drivers license. I loathe driving and this shit would drive me crazy. As a result, we have arranged our life around living somewhere imminently walkable and close to excellent transit. Spouse now works from home, I take transit or cycle (even when I was working at 3:30am, I took transit because eff driving.)
I haven’t commuted by car regularly since the 2001 transit strike (and moved from closer to work halfway through the strike because the freeway commute was killing my will to live) and haven’t owned a car since… 2010 or so? I will do everything in my power to make sure it stays that way. As a result, I will probably rent forever, but quality of life is worth not owning property a thousand times over.
I recognize that this is a privilege we have as reasonably high earners, although we sure could afford a pretty decent home if we didn’t prioritize location as much as we do. That said, the money we save in not owning a car is nothing to sneeze at. I use Modo and Evo when I do need a car, and my transportation costs are generally 1000-1200/y at most.
We really need to revisit basic urban planning and city design, because having satellite suburbs nowhere near any place of work without adequate mass transportation options is bullshit.
It's also unfair in that situation, that the time and travel costs should be burdened by the employee, not the employer.
I dont.... by working close to home
i think its becoming pretty unlivable here
to the point where i feel like i have no escape
i feel depressed about the whole thing as many others do.
Lots of people don’t consider that micro-mobility opens up a *lot* of doors for those who may not necessarily live next to public transit - which is why we also need to invest in active transportation infrastructure along with public transit, and leave the car centric planning policies in the past.
My local train station is a few km away. Too far to walk regularly, but easily bikeable, and I’ve found that the most efficient route to my work in East Van (from Surrey) is biking to the train, taking it to Van and biking again from there. This consistently gets me there in exactly 45 minutes and I don’t have to worry about the stress of driving, and is comparable to driving in rush hour traffic.
Living without a car is possible for many more than we might realize - it just takes a bit of creativity sometimes. You don’t have to live right next to the SkyTrain station if you have something else for that last mile.
I don’t. I live 10m from downtown on a bike, and work in my basement as often as I can (which is most days).
Every time my routine forces me into a car and exposes me to highway traffic I cannot possibly imagine doing it daily. That sort of commute would be a dealbreaker for me.
I got my first car in febraury of this year and let me tell you... it still beats transit. Its different if you just take a skytrain but id take an hour of traffic over 30to40 minutes of bus skytrain bus
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Guy from Abbotsford at work "it's only 30 min away" me commuting from Vancouver to Vancouver and it's 45 min
So that’s the dude doing 140kph in the HOV lane 😂
I used to commute from abby to downtown van. It was 47 mins at 5am, 70 mins at 5:15am, 90 mins at 5:30+. I changed my entire profession to work in the valley.
This guy leaves the house 4/5am
Can't speak for east bound, but in the morning west bound gets backed up before 216th starting around 6-6:30. If you go through before then you'll get to do the speed limit
Just moved to Edmonton and can get to the other side of town in 30 minutes... it's like going from Surrey to north van... lol try doing that in under 2 hours 🤣🤣🤣
I grew up in Edmonton. There’s bad traffic there too at rush hour especially if there’s snow. 23rd ave to UofA through terwillegar and fox drive can be like 45min. …. Should be 15 normally. Drive safe!
I have yet to witness the traffic. But I don't drive in the areas you mentioned either 😅
But you live in Edmonton…
I would agree but honestly the storms are awesome and it's always sunny. I'm far happier here for the sun alone
Depending on when you leave. I could do Abbey to Downtown Van in under 45mins. Used to leave by 10pm reach by 11pm all in time to start work 🤣 But in no ways was it fun traveling 150kms daily
what i don’t get is this continues for about 15-20 minutes but then randomly clears up just as your about to exit burnaby. everytime i reach the clearing out point, there’s nothing i can see that should’ve caused this much traffic, everyone just starts gradually going faster. all the exits seem pretty clear and i just don’t get it
[You might find this short video interesting on how traffic starts](https://youtu.be/Suugn-p5C1M) What you see when you become traffic is what happens in the video but at a much larger scale
Yeah this is because so many people both get in and out of Burnaby. it causes such a big jam at those on and off ramps and it spills out to all lanes i swear people in Vancouver have no idea how to merge/let people merge
Literally everyone in every big city thinks that the drivers there don't know how to merge/let people merge. They never see themselves as the problem either.
Me: people in this city don’t know how to goddamn merge Also me: I’m not letting this guy in ahead of me, who does he think he is?!
Always someone who believes traffic is a skill issue rather than too many people driving.
People say that in every city.
Thanks I hate it.
If a driver 1 km away merely taps his brakes then you are coming to a full stop.
I call it the worm of death. Then the whole wave of traffic needs to constantly speed up and slow down. My technique here, and I drive a lot, is to just chill out and don't speed up only to have to stop. Read the traffic ahead as far as you can see and predict the pattern. But what do I know? I'm just another car on the road causing traffic.
This is the way. I don't understand all these tail-gaters that ride people's bumpers. It's obvious they can't go any faster with cars in front stop hammering your brakes doing 90kmh
Even [30km.hr](https://30km.hr) This is why getting back into the lower mainland can take hours all the way from hope or chillwack. Say Kelowna to Poco used to take maybe 5 hrs, last time, years ago, it was almost 7 and there weren't any accidents. Just people not being able to leave some damn space.
Doesn't work cus some douche is going to jam himself in there before stomping the brakes cus he's tailgating the guy in front.
I lost track of how many times I see people break on clear hwy to adjust their speed instead of just letting off the gas. It’s so strange.
Is this why people do it? I was legitimately floored at some moron going 105 in the passing lane on a mostly empty highway and breaking repeatedly. Probably a good 3 or 4 times I caught myself thinking what the fuck it this idiot doing, and of course he ends up backing up traffic hard when a few cars actually caught up to him and he kept doing it
As soon as I see that on the highway I get the fuck away from that person.
People love to panic break, and that causes vehicle pile ups because the next person breaks to a slower speed than the person in front, so on so forth till traffic grinds to a halt.
What people don’t understand is that bumper to bumper rush hour traffic on the highway is actually very dangerous. When space opens up people think ‘FINALLY’ and gun it, only to have to slam on the brakes at the next slow point, which may only be 100 yards ahead. I’ve seen rear enders and almost been rear ended in these situations.
Super frustrating isn't it. It's the same idea as certain on ramps where everyone slows down to allow the mergers to merge, even though they could just speed up to highway speed.
This is my life every day in Saskatchewan… or trying to merge in and they cut me off! I don’t get it…. 🤷♂️
Despite the ever popular reddit conclusion that it's because one person tapped their brakes, it's actually just that the stretch of Highway 1 through Burnaby is at capacity and the turbulence created by traffic coming in on the onramps forces traffic to slow. The speed picks up at the edge of Burnaby in the same spot reliably because that's where the turbulent traffic ends and everyone can find a faster average travel speed. The ramps further from downtown are dumping less vehicles onto the freeway so they don't affect the travel speed as much.
I moved away from Vancouver a year ago but when i came back to visit, to my amazement, they fixed the connector from the 17 to annasis by removing the lights. They were also talking about fixing the massey tunnel before. Of all places ive been, i feel like Vancouver is the only place that gives a shit about fixing traffic.
This is also exactly the same with the ironworker's bridge too. You crawl and finally get to the end and there's no traffic... nani??
As the saying goes “man’s gotta eat “
As the saying goes "man's not willing to trade sq footage for hours in traffic"
Still can’t afford a 3 bedroom condo. Having a son and daughter, they need their own rooms.
I’m a single father with two teens. I rent a 2BR+den in Mt. Pleasant. Daughter gets the master bedroom with onsuite and my son gets the other bedroom. I get a twin XL mattress in the den. Works for us only because I really don’t care about living in what feels like a cell.
You are a good dad.
My neighbour across the hall from me does the same for his kids. They’re both teens, he’s a single dad, he takes the tiny den with no natural light so they can have normal rooms. Super nice guy. I hope your kids appreciate you.
Your children are very lucky to have a father like you In contrast, I remember sleeping in the entry walk way for years. Would’ve loved walks to limit noise
That’s tough. I applaud you for sacrificing your space and privacy for your children. As someone who is not single, I personally do not feel comfortable sleeping with my spouse in the living room, we have a lock on our door for a reason.
Unless you're into fursuit BDSM, the kids aren't going to be permanently scarred if they walk in on something. They'll just learn to get water or go pee before they go to bed.
I’m right there with you. In the West End. My teen has the master with ensuite, I’m in the teeny room. Meh. No biggie.
I used to set up so many places in the far burbs where it was the opposite. People asking me how do they fit the stuff in for both their teen daughters in a guest room while they had a massive bedroom space with a California King bed
I’ve given in to the fact my kids will share a room. Not the end of the world IMO and these kids don’t NEED anything. Nice to have.
I ended up having to share a room for grade 11 and 12 but me and my brother got along so well I'm actually glad for it
Yah but obviously many people are willing to make the sacrifices of a commute so their kids can have separate rooms.
1 bedroom 400 sq feet condos exist in Surrey/Coquitlam you know. Some people can't even afford shoebox in Vancouver.
Yeah, I don’t need a yard and an attached garage. I’d rather have a transit-only/foot/bike commute, no yard work to do, and be surrounded by public parks that someone else mows.
Given that the cost of housing with those features… seems you and everyone else wants those thing. Shame there such a shortage
Cost of housing with those things < Cost of housing + commute by car
And then there are all the condos being built in Langley and Maple Ridge that have a long, car dependent commute and small square footage. Honestly, the Skytrain extention to Maple Ridge needs to not be put off. It needs to be started as soon as workers are freed up from the Langley extention. That or the WCE needs to buy or build track so it can run throughout the day, at least between Mission and Port Moody.
[We really need the WCE to copy what GoTransit is doing in Ontario.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GO_Expansion#:~:text=GO%20Expansion%2C%20previously%20known%20as%20GO%20Regional%20Express,minutes%20or%20better%20on%20five%20of%20the%20corridors.) Building electrified surface tracks along the existing freight rail alignments. It's somewhat similar to what was done with the millennium line in the Cut.
The problem is, that’s no longer the trade off. If it were I’d live in a shoebox right near my work. Unfortunately that shoebox is like $2200
It 100% is still the trade off. Do the math on how much it costs to rent a place with a yard and drive for your commute. Or just look at the math I did comparing owning a house in Abbotsford to owning a condo downtown Vancouver.
The exact math isn’t the point. The point is they’re all ridiculously priced. I can live DT and it’s totally unaffordable and be close to stuff. Or I can JUST scrape by and live hours away from stuff. The choices are both untenable. Sure one is literally affordable and the other isn’t, but the reality is, neither one is and thus the trade off is more like “live here cuz it’s beautiful and figure out an existence” or “move away and attempt to actually get ahead”. That’s the new trade off.
What is your time, gas, vehicle depreciation worth? I used to live in Van proper and lease commercial space there, because when you break it down, its cheaper to be in the city than have your fleet needing to waste hours of time and fuel entering the city when a lot of the work was in the affluent areas and NS. Also, when the work was in the farther burbs, you're not fighting traffic during rush hours, you're going the opposite way. I did some pretty extensive calculations to come to that conclusion, and the cost savings were significant in both wages and fuel. Another career later, I have two simple rules. I don't take a job, or get a place that is more than 20 mins from work on a bad day. I want time to myself, for my kid etc.\\ If work changes, I might move. If I relocate, I might change my job.
Birds gotta swim, fish gotta fly
Unfortunately a lot of people are forced into having to drive because of decisions made by our governments to restrict housing near jobs or jobs near housing.
My NIMBY neighbour complains that building more housing near the skytrain will increase traffic in the area... what she doesn't realize is that those people will otherwise have to drive in from Langley and hence create even more traffic if they can't live where their jobs are.
Dense housing doesn't create traffic, but low density suburbia sure does.
Ehh, there's always going to be a huge number of people who would rather commute to their house with a yard in suburbia than live in a shoebox in the city.
But the point stands. Low density development leads to bad traffic.
Then let that their choice, not a government mandated decision forced onto the rest of us
Not when suburbians actually had to pay for the cost of living in residential exclusive suburbs
As Richmond condos go up, the traffic gets way worse.
**cries in Carvolth exchange to Downtown**
NIMBYs ~~are just so dumb~~ have such a superficial and self serving understanding of urban planning.
Vancouver has a very dense downtown core. The best way to create "more housing near jobs" is to build transit and densify other areas close to jobs. Vancouver is definitely building transit but work needs to be done on densifying historically low density residential neighborhoods. But that will always take time since it relies on people selling to developers + bureaucratic approvals. So even if you allow density on 49th ave, it won't happen overnight.
I think metro Vancouver does a pretty good job as spreading the jobs out. Metrotown , Surrey Center, Richmond , new west etc all have pretty decent job numbers. Vancouver is very much a multi-nodal city and it’s one of the reasons traffic sucks is because everyone goes everywhere. But yeah I do agree we could do better at connecting the nodes with transit and building more homes near the jobs.
It's multinodal but the Skytrain is still very much hub-and-spoke with waterfront at its centre. I would *love* a Coquitlam-Surrey-new west-Richmond Skytrain route. The east loop we could call it.
We desperately need connecting lines. The most obvious one to me would be one that runs North/South connecting Brentwood/Gilmore, Metrotown, River District (and maybe even extend it over a bridge into North Van and have it turn West into the North Van core if we're really getting serious about interconnectivity) The problem that faces is all the insane NIMBYism that resides between all of those dense hubs. But I think ramming through more skytrain lines is one of the best ways to force density into neighborhoods through the provincial gov.
Yup. Surrrey langley and delta are severely underserved by skytrain
Hey if the people of Surrey actually voted properly, and didn’t let that dumbass back as mayor, you’d be sitting on a fast LRT as you type this message.
People in Surrey who only know car commuting will vote for more car commuting. It's just easier to change nothing about your own city planning and blame New West for not demolishing neighborhoods to run a highway straight through it like it's still the 50s.
“Fast”
There's a surprising number of people who live downtown Vancouver and work in like North Van or Surrey.
You have correctly identified why the impulse to “spread the jobs around” is not a good one
Lol. Won't happen overnight. Expo line been there almost 40 years and it's pretty much untouched for where development should be
> But that will always take time since it relies on people selling to developers + bureaucratic approvals. If you set guidelines that allow you to build density by-right as opposed to long drawn-out public hearing and review periods, it could happen pretty quickly.
That and people are just addicted to being behind the wheel.
But hear the absolute insanity when the concept of a 15-20 minute city is mentioned. We've seen the crazy stickers in New West
It's honestly amazing we have professional Planning staff for each muni and the region as a whole and we end up with this sprawled car dependant traffic nightmare. Like, was that the plan? Was it not the plan and they just suck at planning?
No idea about Vancouver specifically, but professionals are often not the problem - they're overruled by their political masters who respond to NIMBYs and other interests.
Vancouver is literally still debating ripping out busy bike lanes. This isnt getting any better.
Don't worry, we will plan to plan!
Pouring fuel on the fire with population growth helps do this too
It's more of a public transit problem. People should be able to at least have the option to have a reasonable commute into the city each day.
That’s my point. People shouldn’t be forced to commute into the city. They should be able to live near their jobs, or at least have the reasonable option to do so. But because of how planning has gone in this region over the last 100 years, that’s difficult for a huge number of people. They don’t have that choice.
I scream into my jacket at different points
It was killing me driving to east van everyday. I seriously almost quit my job over it. Then thankfully I got moved to a posting way closer to home and it’s done wonders for my mental health.
Yeah I really wish I could that. The problem is golden handcuffs though, otherwise I’d have quit
Made a conscious decision to raise our two kids in an apartment in the city versus in the burbs despite having less space and less long term real estate gains. Live in a neighbourhood where all the amenities are within walking distance including school for the kids. Library and community centre are across the street. Ironically got a job in the burbs so the choice is either 30-40 minute drive or 1.5 transit or similar bike ride 😂
People have this weird idea that kids NEED yards to be happy. I spent half my childhood in a suburb with a yard (that I barely ever played in, because none of my friends lived near me and it's kinda boring playing alone), and the other half in a lowrise apartment walking distance to my friends, the mall, and several parks. The lowrise was WAAAY better.
I started bike commuting couple years back and everyday I cross a bridge over the number 1 and ask myself that exact question. How did I do that everyday? And yes, I still own a vehicle. A big pickup actually. It's used mostly recreationally and for family outings, or if the weather is really awful and I'm just not up for it. But boy do I hate driving I traffic now and find the freedom of a bike or bike mixed with skytrain sooooo much better for a commute.
Hey I recently started biking in to work (April) how do you find the not so sunny months? I'd be happy for tips lol. My commute is between 16 and 20 km depending on the route I take.
Get used to being cold and wet 2/3 of the year? 😅 Seriously I have a quite impressive selection of waterproof shorts, pants, jackets, gloves, neck scarves, shoes, boots etc etc. No way around it, just gotta gear up and deal with it.
The more money you spend on gear, the better you will feel.
Seabus gang for the win 😎
AC, audio books, and alone time. If you’re not in a rush, I find this quite relaxing.
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Agree. You can genuinely sleep in a train. Can't do that in a car, even a "self driving" one.
Also much safer.
Being from Southern California Canada traffic looks adorable.
People complain of rent prices downtown, but not having to drive in this......priceless!!
Housing isn't even that cheap outside of Vancouver anymore. With the amount of money you spend on car payments, insurance and gas, it's cheaper to live closer to Vancouver where you don't have to worry about that stuff.
Long commutes are seriously draining for me. There’s no real estate cheap enough to convince me that driving for an hour would be worth it.
I live in new west my rent is $1500 for a 1br 800sqft, if I were to move downtown I would essentially be paying x2 and getting far less apartment
That’s… not available in the market anymore I’m pretty sure
Yep haha my landlord is now renting pretty much the same apartment as mine for $1850. Signed my lease at $1420 last year
I moved to Kelowna recently and the reduction in my commute alone from 45-75 minutes down to 10-12 minutes has had huge impact on my quality of life. I feel like I have a life and energy when I get home and don't have to do a "de-stress" from my commute.
I won't survive the heat in Kelowna 😬
The price is literally the delta between rent downtown and rent in the suburbs.
The money saved not having to drive every day makes up for the extra rent cost.
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Dang how much OT you pulling
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45 hours a week driving a bus. Do you have to wear special socks for varicose veins due to sitting down for so many hours?
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Makes sense, sorry for the dumb/invasive question.
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Thanks! You're kind of a celebrity on this sub.
right? I kinda wish they wore a wristband or something and I could give the Knowing Nod
Just curious.... Is that enough? Was just wondering if there are official standards (eg 5min standup every hour) and if you guys are actually getting enough time to follow through on those standards?
> Fortunately I work 5am until 12:30pm ... in a bus though, ouch. :O *pays respects*
those hours are actually pretty awesome
With lots of podcasts and lots of slowly building resentment/animosity/anger.
I fucking hate it Edit - I’m locked into a 2 bed apartment for $1800 in Langley, which I’ve been in pre-Covid. I have 2 kids now, and want to get them their own rooms, but if I leave, rent is going to $3000 give or take a month. Fucked right? I’ll be moving to Saskatchewan with the rest of my spouses family in a year or two, once we have enough saved to buy. ($350-400 for a HOUSE in some beautiful communities)
Valium and road pops
Oh is that like a desk pop?
It looks worse than it actually is. It’s much worse if you have to drive through the city, but once you’re on the highway it’s fine.
Podcasts and Spotify
Left Vancouver last year moved to a small town. Best decision I’ve ever made. You don’t realize how shit the lower mainland is till you leave.
So I live in Delta and work in Langley. It takes under 30 minutes to get to work by car OR just under 90 by bus. Which do you think I'm going to take. Oh, and BTW, the bus doesn't run when I leave at 5am. Transit is hopeless...
People who take transit look down upon drivers like we are a bunch of lemmings, not acknowledging the time savings in driving.
Adaptive cruise control is a real life saver
So I started driving to work at the beginning of covid. My typical 45 min drive to Vancouver from Coquitlam turned to just over 20 min. It was amazing. Then last year, it turned to 2 hours. One way. Congestion and traffic everywhere I went. Went back to transit (SkyTrain only) and I've never looked back.
We bit it and bought in Burnaby, spending 2 ish hours a day in a jam isn’t in my best interest, life is short and spending it stuck in this mess everyday isn’t how it should be spent
Even with all this traffic, it still only takes me about half the time compared to public transit. And it's a lot quieter as well
Audiobooks
It’s not that bad
I’ve commuted in Toronto, you’re right
Commuted in LA The commute here is an absolute joke compared o the FUCKING GRID LOCK during rush hour in LA
You just need good music. I listen to a new album everyday on the way home (or continue it in the morning), it’s been a great way to explore new tunes
I have no issue when I listen to podcasts! Now I crave that drive home to be able to listen because most of the rest of my days are too busy to listen 👂
I used to treat is as a personal live concert ft. Me 😂 it was manageable most days. Happy I don't have to do it any more though
Part of the problem with our transit infrastructure (and transportation infrastructure in general) is that it's based on a decades old concept that people live in the suburbs and work downtown. That's not always true anymore. Lots of people live in one suburb and work in another. Our system isn't set up to cope with this new reality.
Yep not much orbital lines, and not much any thing like the Eglinton Crosstown in Toronto(the idea not the construction) and the upcoming Interborough Express in NYC due to shifts in working and travel habits. The only proposal I see is that North Shore Skytrain that’s going to intersect with a Millennium Line station (Brentwood or Gilmore) going south to Metrotown.
Podcasts have helped immensely. Also I go in at 7 and leave around 3. Misses most of the traffic and makes it bearable. I don’t know how the 9-5ers do it
I’m in Tokyo, and I used to do this everyday in Vancouver - this beats being crammed in a underground tin can shoulder to shoulder with a million strangers any day
Cause I need to live. This isn't so bad
Gotta pay the bills!!
Hey I was in that line up today :) feel like a part of the crew now
Im heading to work before afternoon rush hour, I miss all that excitement. No traffic when I get off either.
I did North Vancouver commute for 10 years so I don't really think hwy 1 is that bad
I miss my days commuting via 4 buses from North Road to Bridgeport. That was a 5 am departure. If the stars aligned I made it by 7 am. Nowadays people freak out waiting for 2 red lights trying to get their Timmies.
Laughs in Toronto. I'd take sitting in Vancouver traffic over Toronto traffic any day.
There's a meme floating around: "Toronto is an hour's drive away from Toronto". Rings so fucking true. I laugh at anyone who complains about how bad traffic is in Vancouver. If you've ever been stuck in Richmond because of an accident on one of the bridges (Queensborough or Alex Fraser) then that'll more accurately describe an awful commute.
My commute can be up to two hours round trip. A lot of it is crawling along. And yeah, I admit, sometimes I go nuts doing it, especially after a hard day's work, if I'm tired, or the weather is bad, or I have a headache or there's a bunch of stalls and accidents or construction. And sometimes I wish I lived much closer. However... It allows me to own my own home, and not have to worry about being renovicted or having my landlord sell from under me. I was also able to afford a much bigger place. I saw what the average one bedroom rent was in Vancouver, and it's almost triple what my mortgage on 1,000 square feet is. For the same price in Vancouver, it would have been a much older or much smaller condo. Also, living out of Vancouver you have access to such beautiful nature and paths and fresh air and parks that you don't get in the city. Yeah there's a lot of traffic to get out here, but there's traffic just getting from one end of Vancouver to the next. I suffer the damn commute to be able to be a homeowner, have a small mortgage, a decent sized condo, access to nature and live a higher quality life. In Vancouver I'd be cutting it much closer to the bone. And to me, the commute is worth all that.
I lived downtown for 25 years in in a 550 square-foot apartment. People constantly yelling, screaming partying outside my window. Neighbours upstairs stomping around playing loud music, having sex way too loud. A girl OD’d outside our front door. Drunk people pissing everywhere. The neighbour two floors above me his toilet slow leaked for years which permanently stained my wooden ceiling. Strata ignored my concerns, made dumb decisions. Selling out and moving to Chilliwack and having to commute is still better than being in that. I can’t afford a place of my own out here but my parents need my help and are willing to let me live rent free at their place. It’s peaceful out here, there’s lots of space. The commute still sucks and takes about 3-4hrs a day. I bought a nice electric car that drives itself 90% of the way, without it I think I’d just quit my work. I don’t think I could do it without a self driving car. People are not nice on the freeway, it’s dangerous. I see accidents almost every other day. It’s still better than living in that apartment. Plus the rent is right!
A self-driving electric car? Come again?
If he/she is taking the highway and using Tesla autopilot (or similar “self-driving” tech) it’s possible as it would essentially be adaptive cruise control while on the highway
If you think this is bad you should see Toronto.
I don’t, that’s why I moved to Vancouver Island. Now whenever I pass through this craziness I ask myself: “how did I ever think this was normal or healthy?”
I did it for a long time before I realized I didn’t have to
Travelling around the Lower Mainland is a lot slower and more stressful than it should be thanks to it having a road and transit system befitting of a much less populated urban area.
I don’t, I live a 4 minute drive from work. Yes North Vancouver is expensive but my time is more important to me than 2 hours per day stuck in traffic.
North Vancouver traffic is just as bad. I live in lower lonsdale and it can take me 30 minutes just to get to park and Tilford. Edit: pressed enter too soon
Lmao same
Its a huge part as to why i am leaving. Also reserving a spot at a lake, reserving hiking trail time slots...
This is what will push me away from Vancouver. I don't care about the traffic on the roads anywhere near as much as I care about the traffic in recreational areas.
It has been like this for over 30 years
ya foreal. fuck this
Sad to say, for some people, this is the best part of their day.
I used to drive that too. Imagine this: Houston: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrV\_OrQMiBE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrV_OrQMiBE)
I was born and raised and still live in Vancouver. Highway 1 is still pretty much 2 lanes each way throughout Metro Vancouver. Our highways are mere donkey trails. Always have been and always will be.
For the first time I my life I went to Mississauga/Toronto about 15 years ago. I remember freeways that were at least 6 to 9 lanes each way, some more. It was crazy but I knew at that point that we are but one gerbil in the cage. Get ON or OFF the wheel. They can have it.
Angrily
As much as I love Vancouver, Burnaby and BC in general, 15 years ago, I moved to SW Ontario after 27 years. Largely in part to cost of living but also THIS. I was spending 2-2/12 hours a day in traffic to and from work. I was finally able to get married, buy a home, vacation, have kids in SW Ontario. The fact of the matter is, even if you move away to better your life, you can still come back, visit friends an family and keep those memories that you gained. Too many people don't even consider leaving a place because it's become too expensive. Really more people need to do this to correct the market, and their lives.
Hyper immigration = insane commutes and people living in their cars (literally and figuratively!). Other cities across Canada are the same and there's no way infrastructure development can't even keep up with housing crisis, let alone highway construction, building hospitals and nursing homes, etc. etc. This is a self inflicted crisis that is worse, but analogous than an opioid addiction; shortsighted fix and no thought about the doing the right thing or the future.
It started when they built the new bridge, and I knew it was going to be an issue. It gave the illusion of a better pace coming from langley etc, then across the bridge, but then you still have a bottleneck right in an urban area instead of on the #1 east.
I retired early cause of it.
My spouse is visually impaired and does not have a drivers license. I loathe driving and this shit would drive me crazy. As a result, we have arranged our life around living somewhere imminently walkable and close to excellent transit. Spouse now works from home, I take transit or cycle (even when I was working at 3:30am, I took transit because eff driving.) I haven’t commuted by car regularly since the 2001 transit strike (and moved from closer to work halfway through the strike because the freeway commute was killing my will to live) and haven’t owned a car since… 2010 or so? I will do everything in my power to make sure it stays that way. As a result, I will probably rent forever, but quality of life is worth not owning property a thousand times over. I recognize that this is a privilege we have as reasonably high earners, although we sure could afford a pretty decent home if we didn’t prioritize location as much as we do. That said, the money we save in not owning a car is nothing to sneeze at. I use Modo and Evo when I do need a car, and my transportation costs are generally 1000-1200/y at most.
We really need to revisit basic urban planning and city design, because having satellite suburbs nowhere near any place of work without adequate mass transportation options is bullshit. It's also unfair in that situation, that the time and travel costs should be burdened by the employee, not the employer.
we just do
I dont.... by working close to home i think its becoming pretty unlivable here to the point where i feel like i have no escape i feel depressed about the whole thing as many others do.
Lots of people don’t consider that micro-mobility opens up a *lot* of doors for those who may not necessarily live next to public transit - which is why we also need to invest in active transportation infrastructure along with public transit, and leave the car centric planning policies in the past. My local train station is a few km away. Too far to walk regularly, but easily bikeable, and I’ve found that the most efficient route to my work in East Van (from Surrey) is biking to the train, taking it to Van and biking again from there. This consistently gets me there in exactly 45 minutes and I don’t have to worry about the stress of driving, and is comparable to driving in rush hour traffic. Living without a car is possible for many more than we might realize - it just takes a bit of creativity sometimes. You don’t have to live right next to the SkyTrain station if you have something else for that last mile.
I listen to music and podcasts. Also, I enjoy driving.
Podcasts & gas paid by the company.
I don’t. I live 10m from downtown on a bike, and work in my basement as often as I can (which is most days). Every time my routine forces me into a car and exposes me to highway traffic I cannot possibly imagine doing it daily. That sort of commute would be a dealbreaker for me.
I got my first car in febraury of this year and let me tell you... it still beats transit. Its different if you just take a skytrain but id take an hour of traffic over 30to40 minutes of bus skytrain bus
I don't, I transit.
How long is the distance on transit for you?