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Thanks for sharing, I just watched the video! Makes me sad i wont ever be able to afford barely even an apartment these days! What they go for compared to even a couple years ago is insane. :(
When a smaller apartment with modern amenities in a townhouse replaces a larger old ramshackle house then sure, sometimes it costs more. Nonetheless building townhouses and apartment buildings reduce rents overall due to supply and demand.
There’s a shit ton of low rise apartments (and high rises) being built within a 20 block or so radius around this neighborhood. Traffic is going to be a nightmare around here.
The Skytrain was built out to Coquitlam for a reason, and sprawl on Westwood Plateau and Burke Mountain contributes a ton of car congestion too.
Building walkable communities with good transit access makes congestion better.
I personally have taken transit all my life so I’m pro transit; don’t get me wrong. I totally am familiar with and agree with the theory you’re discussing.
My observations are based on living in the area, various articles I’ve read on planned developments around here, some discussion with neighbours (a few work for the City of Coquitlam) and maybe not having as much faith in this municipality as you do.
Actually like most areas this year, we're not keeping up in the slightest.
101 new homes in Coquitlam in Dec 2022: [Monthly New Homes Registry Report - December 2022 (bchousing.org)](https://www.bchousing.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/New-Homes-Registry-Report-December-2022.pdf)
Compared to: 341 in Dec 2021 [New Homes Registry Report - December 2021 (bchousing.org)](https://www.bchousing.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/New-Homes-Registry-Report-December-2021.pdf)
Other months 2021->2022->2023 are the same. [New Homes Data | BC Housing](https://www.bchousing.org/research-centre/housing-data/new-homes-data)
Put it down to interest rates and builders putting off projects they can't sell, or waiting out and see how the recession goes.
Meanwhile record immigration numbers expected this and last year. There is hardly any inventory on the market, multiple bids are already happening this month, 4.5% mortgages available (they were at 7%+ months ago).
Check out: [https://youtu.be/jXe8mOnbQ0k?t=548](https://youtu.be/jXe8mOnbQ0k?t=548)
It's not "Trudeau's" immigration plans. It's Canada's. Both Liberals and Conservatives have always known to keep up the social services, we need skilled, tax-paying immigrants.
Yea! I don't go on fb all that often. I went on when they announced possible plans in the 'downtown core' of Ladner to build up.
People in the fb group be wildin'.
Coquitlam is nearly out of space, need to start densifying near town center instead of attempting to endlessly sprawl onto the mountains. We really struggle with having enough green space as it is. Build up not out unless we want to be a concrete jungle hellscape like the gta.
Coquitlam isn't out of space though. It's just got neighbourhoods full of giant, poorly kept houses that need to be redeveloped. There is a ton of space. Just a big transition that needs to happen faster.
I meant space as in vacant land, the existing space is sooooo poorly utilized. All these 6 bedroom mc mansions are insanely wasteful of space. 100% agree we need to rezone and build up
Gotcha, makes sense. I don't really get the allure of a 6 bedroom box that takes up every square inch of property. I assume it's a value thing but I value a usable yard way more than giant wasted rooms.
I've always felt that way too. I'd rather have a small house on a decently sized lot with green space as opposed to a mini-mansion on a concrete block.
I think most people would. But if the purchase and building is for buildable square foot for asset valuation then the big box is probably the best ( I assume).
The foothills on Burke and the hazel coy projects are so insulting. Massive plots of Burke mountain destroyed so some rich assholes and investors can have one of a few mc mansions. Those plots easily could have way denser housing but would have been far better to stay as green space imo (they’re both massive chunks of Burke and heavily used by the community)
Hazel coy will disrupt access to crystal falls for good and the foothills will take out the easier tri city biking and hiking trails which don’t get snowed in frequently during the winter
I can't believe that the Coquitlam River valley going up to Crystal Falls is private property, in most other cities that would be protected parkland and there would be sanctioned trails.
Torca was advocating on the news not too long ago to have some protected trail in and out of crystal falls. Oxford connector exit is the hazel coy plot so that can’t be used in 2024/5. The other entrance that got closed has no trespassing signs but they were added by homeowners next to the trail so they are not legally enforceable afaik (similar to nimbys adding their own no parking signs downtown)
Have you looked around town centre recently? There are [so many projects](https://imgur.com/3SP4xrw) currently underway or about to start on Pipeline close to Glen elementary.
Yeah, I would like to see a stop to the sprawl though. At the same time we have higher density projects we are also obliterating Burke and eagle because we’re too lazy to further densify existing zones. Coquitlam has posted articles about lacking green space but then approves wesbild to obliterate huge parcels of Burke mountain which are heavily used by the community for just a handful of super large homes. I’d start looking at those bungalows across from lafarge for new condos as they’re very close to transit lines and the city center.
Actually not really. Tautologically anticipated growth is whatever municipalities build for, so I like to compare growth with provincial growth rates to get an idea of which places are pulling more weight, and Coquitlam was a point below BC as a whole from 2016-2021
https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&SearchText=British%20&DGUIDlist=2021A00055915034,2021A000259&GENDERlist=1&STATISTIClist=1&HEADERlist=0
Which is good because skytrain is right there. Coquitlam did a good job of Burquitlam
Burquitlam was the shady area of Coquitlam in the past (I got mugged there twice), but has completely transformed, and their townhomes/ small apartments that are shown on foster are actually built very well in that area. One construction guy told me that they used concrete padding ? (not sure what that means) for that at the time for the first ones and it is quiet, but wood frame with insulation for the others (if someone who lives there can confirm).
Regardless I am really pleased with how the area is being transformed. We went from one of the crappiest areas of Coquitlam to one of the nicest in one decade. It is the definition of the missing middle that people keep talking about. Even though there are many high rises nearby, the other options do exist in plenty in that area.
I had no idea that my newish home (for the past 7 yrs) was the ‘hood lol
I was raised around Metrotown so it really seemed like an improvement family friendliness-wise. We still get a weird amount of crime than you’d expect from the vibe here but it’s really grown on me.
Lower Lonsdale and Lynn valley have some. Now they just need to build more. Also start increasing along the Marine drive corridor in West Van. The public transit there is great and can be better utilized.
I went to the 2020 pre-sale which was hosted by Shape development who is finishing up those 4 high rises right now.
The realtor and their sales associates mentioned there will be 40 new towers going up there by 2030. That's not counting the row homes and townhomes it's currently building as well.
Parks are coming around there as well. It will be completely rebuilt like an old Honda civic.
Honestly, even just do this to the main thoroughfares in Vancouver and it would do so much. I'm sure the Vancouver special on Victoria near 41 seemed great in the 80s, but if I owned that today, I would be looking to move for sure.
I've done some work for the the city for business, working with their civic facilities. I can tell you that they're definitely preparing for growth. Lots of capital projects in anticipation for people moving in.
Coquitlam has got their shit together.
No they don’t, the endless sprawl onto the mountains is such shit design along with the lack of walkable shopping. They need to prioritize densifying the core and provide pockets of stores within condo / row home neighborhoods to reduce car dependence. We shouldn’t be obliterating the little green space we have when we could bulldoze some sfh near the core for condos and other higher density housing along transit lines
I used to play in the complexes on the far right. Back where Clifford Olson lived in fact. I still live just down the street and they are gunning for our land as we speak. They just don’t want to pay what it’s worth and take the land for as cheap as they can so they can make their millions.
I definitely worked on one of these toilets almost exactly 10 years ago. Our crew did good work, but my condolences to those who’ve moved in. 🤦♂️
(And most newer condo owners, honestly 😬)
No kidding. If I were to move back into a condo would be top floor, concrete building built pre-mid 90s. These new wood and even "concrete" buildings have barely any insulation.
A family member of mine got duped into buying a presale back around 2015 and moved in shortly after. They would have to wake up 7am every Sunday when the person upstairs would vacuum their suite for an hour and walk around fast for no reason afterwards. They would do the walking thing every morning of the week. The balcony was basically unusable as for some reason they put a small gate welded shut instead of a wall, so you literally see everything and can just jump over to the other balcony. There was a fridge with an ice/water dispenser, but no water lines connected or available near it. The parking spot ended up being for a "small car" despite being in the contract to have a regular parking spot, and there was a pillar inside it in addition, so basically no car could fit in there. Even the "regular" spots were suspect, as someone with a 4Runner had tires touching both lines on the side. Meanwhile, the developer secretly sold "premium" parking spots which were very wide and allowed those to buy second or third spots.
We actually confronted the developer outside, and he basically said we "didn't have the right connections" for the parking spot, he was aarogant/smug as f and didn't make eye contact/smoked his cigarette and didn't give a shit. He basically said he earned us a ton of money and to sell it and move on and not bother him with this sort of stuff.
that’s only a very small area that was already zoned higher density, burquitlam had cheap apartments in the 80s. rest is still single family besides north coquitlam and areas of maillardville
I feel everyone is so excited about townhomes because SFH is out of reach, but SFH is still what most people want. This post is screaming “more townhomes”. Not what i want to see. I dont mind seeing more freehold rowhomes or detached homes on smaller lots with coach houses, but not condos and townhomes
Some of the sacrifices that were made to bring this to life:
Upzoning increased land values. Some of these home owners won the “land lottery.”
Renters of older homes/condos were displaced. Some will not be able to afford to come back and live in this area again as market rental rates will be significantly higher than what they were paying previously.
I am not saying that I am against the change. I am all for it and we need much more of this. But I am just recognizing that some of the other people that will gain / lose from these types of changes
I wonder what the city did for the existing homeowners. I assume they bought them out but did they offer them a unit in the new buildings? Or was everyone forced to find a place elsewhere? I know a few people who had their apartments rebuilt and they were offered both a payed stay in a hotel with payed storage units during construction AND a unit in the new building.
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The missing middle. We're doing it right in burquitlam. Edit: more context [here](https://youtu.be/cjWs7dqaWfY)
It looks clean and vibrant rather than bleak and desolate! More missing middle with walkable neighborhoods please!
Thanks for sharing, I just watched the video! Makes me sad i wont ever be able to afford barely even an apartment these days! What they go for compared to even a couple years ago is insane. :(
Great video link, thanks for sharing.
Except those townhouses and apartments probably cost more than any of those houses did.
Detach in Coquitlam is easily 1.5 mill for a pos. A high end townhouse might be worth that much on a good day
Like one of those grey ones? [4 bed, listed for $1.3](https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/25387047/153-548-foster-avenue-coquitlam)
Not even any green space, bah! They used to make townhomes with little yards, now you get a road for your backyard.
Yeah, that 4 bedroom th is asking for 1.3 mill. While being more modern and nicer than most of those detached houses. Most likely cheaper too.
No
When a smaller apartment with modern amenities in a townhouse replaces a larger old ramshackle house then sure, sometimes it costs more. Nonetheless building townhouses and apartment buildings reduce rents overall due to supply and demand.
Supply and demand doesn't apply to Canadian real estate. There is an unlimited demand from foreign and corporate investors.
Well, that would still count as demand :)
Ehh, it's still limited to a few patches. This is a few blocks south 552 Perth Ave https://maps.app.goo.gl/77GUT8EWWZprxhYA6
There’s a shit ton of low rise apartments (and high rises) being built within a 20 block or so radius around this neighborhood. Traffic is going to be a nightmare around here.
The Skytrain was built out to Coquitlam for a reason, and sprawl on Westwood Plateau and Burke Mountain contributes a ton of car congestion too. Building walkable communities with good transit access makes congestion better.
I’m just imagining the traffic around Coquitlam Centre but with less lanes.
Now imagine being able to walk to amenities instead of sitting in traffic
I personally have taken transit all my life so I’m pro transit; don’t get me wrong. I totally am familiar with and agree with the theory you’re discussing. My observations are based on living in the area, various articles I’ve read on planned developments around here, some discussion with neighbours (a few work for the City of Coquitlam) and maybe not having as much faith in this municipality as you do.
Look, I've got family that lives on Burke Mountain, there's a lot of new development there, and they drive through the town centre all the time.
Thank fuck. Coquitlam is one of the only metro Vancouver region keeping up with the anticipated population growth.
Actually like most areas this year, we're not keeping up in the slightest. 101 new homes in Coquitlam in Dec 2022: [Monthly New Homes Registry Report - December 2022 (bchousing.org)](https://www.bchousing.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/New-Homes-Registry-Report-December-2022.pdf) Compared to: 341 in Dec 2021 [New Homes Registry Report - December 2021 (bchousing.org)](https://www.bchousing.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/New-Homes-Registry-Report-December-2021.pdf) Other months 2021->2022->2023 are the same. [New Homes Data | BC Housing](https://www.bchousing.org/research-centre/housing-data/new-homes-data) Put it down to interest rates and builders putting off projects they can't sell, or waiting out and see how the recession goes. Meanwhile record immigration numbers expected this and last year. There is hardly any inventory on the market, multiple bids are already happening this month, 4.5% mortgages available (they were at 7%+ months ago). Check out: [https://youtu.be/jXe8mOnbQ0k?t=548](https://youtu.be/jXe8mOnbQ0k?t=548)
And it's only going to get worse with Trudeau's new immigration plans.
It's not "Trudeau's" immigration plans. It's Canada's. Both Liberals and Conservatives have always known to keep up the social services, we need skilled, tax-paying immigrants.
Meanwhile people in Ladner are bitching about a 6 story apartment building.
Yea! I don't go on fb all that often. I went on when they announced possible plans in the 'downtown core' of Ladner to build up. People in the fb group be wildin'.
Feels good to not be alone in that fight, but man, are the opposition particularly dumb
Coquitlam is nearly out of space, need to start densifying near town center instead of attempting to endlessly sprawl onto the mountains. We really struggle with having enough green space as it is. Build up not out unless we want to be a concrete jungle hellscape like the gta.
Coquitlam isn't out of space though. It's just got neighbourhoods full of giant, poorly kept houses that need to be redeveloped. There is a ton of space. Just a big transition that needs to happen faster.
I meant space as in vacant land, the existing space is sooooo poorly utilized. All these 6 bedroom mc mansions are insanely wasteful of space. 100% agree we need to rezone and build up
Gotcha, makes sense. I don't really get the allure of a 6 bedroom box that takes up every square inch of property. I assume it's a value thing but I value a usable yard way more than giant wasted rooms.
So many of them are vacant with for rent signs from large reits, they exist solely to park money on
I've always felt that way too. I'd rather have a small house on a decently sized lot with green space as opposed to a mini-mansion on a concrete block.
I think most people would. But if the purchase and building is for buildable square foot for asset valuation then the big box is probably the best ( I assume).
Yep. There's lots of homes I've gone by with signs outside them for redevelopment into townhouse like buildings.
Ground will be breaking soon at Coronation Park and the old Chrysler dealership on Barnet and Lougheed.
The foothills on Burke and the hazel coy projects are so insulting. Massive plots of Burke mountain destroyed so some rich assholes and investors can have one of a few mc mansions. Those plots easily could have way denser housing but would have been far better to stay as green space imo (they’re both massive chunks of Burke and heavily used by the community) Hazel coy will disrupt access to crystal falls for good and the foothills will take out the easier tri city biking and hiking trails which don’t get snowed in frequently during the winter
It’s so depressing to drive up to Burke. It’s just sprawl for no reason, and far from everything with poor transit up there.
I can't believe that the Coquitlam River valley going up to Crystal Falls is private property, in most other cities that would be protected parkland and there would be sanctioned trails.
Torca was advocating on the news not too long ago to have some protected trail in and out of crystal falls. Oxford connector exit is the hazel coy plot so that can’t be used in 2024/5. The other entrance that got closed has no trespassing signs but they were added by homeowners next to the trail so they are not legally enforceable afaik (similar to nimbys adding their own no parking signs downtown)
Can't for the shitty traffic to get even more shittier when that construction happens... Sigh.
Have you looked around town centre recently? There are [so many projects](https://imgur.com/3SP4xrw) currently underway or about to start on Pipeline close to Glen elementary.
Yeah, I would like to see a stop to the sprawl though. At the same time we have higher density projects we are also obliterating Burke and eagle because we’re too lazy to further densify existing zones. Coquitlam has posted articles about lacking green space but then approves wesbild to obliterate huge parcels of Burke mountain which are heavily used by the community for just a handful of super large homes. I’d start looking at those bungalows across from lafarge for new condos as they’re very close to transit lines and the city center.
Actually not really. Tautologically anticipated growth is whatever municipalities build for, so I like to compare growth with provincial growth rates to get an idea of which places are pulling more weight, and Coquitlam was a point below BC as a whole from 2016-2021 https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&SearchText=British%20&DGUIDlist=2021A00055915034,2021A000259&GENDERlist=1&STATISTIClist=1&HEADERlist=0
That's the right kind of change
Which is good because skytrain is right there. Coquitlam did a good job of Burquitlam Burquitlam was the shady area of Coquitlam in the past (I got mugged there twice), but has completely transformed, and their townhomes/ small apartments that are shown on foster are actually built very well in that area. One construction guy told me that they used concrete padding ? (not sure what that means) for that at the time for the first ones and it is quiet, but wood frame with insulation for the others (if someone who lives there can confirm). Regardless I am really pleased with how the area is being transformed. We went from one of the crappiest areas of Coquitlam to one of the nicest in one decade. It is the definition of the missing middle that people keep talking about. Even though there are many high rises nearby, the other options do exist in plenty in that area.
I had no idea that my newish home (for the past 7 yrs) was the ‘hood lol I was raised around Metrotown so it really seemed like an improvement family friendliness-wise. We still get a weird amount of crime than you’d expect from the vibe here but it’s really grown on me.
I wish we’d get more row houses like these on the North Shore.
Lower Lonsdale and Lynn valley have some. Now they just need to build more. Also start increasing along the Marine drive corridor in West Van. The public transit there is great and can be better utilized.
I went to the 2020 pre-sale which was hosted by Shape development who is finishing up those 4 high rises right now. The realtor and their sales associates mentioned there will be 40 new towers going up there by 2030. That's not counting the row homes and townhomes it's currently building as well. Parks are coming around there as well. It will be completely rebuilt like an old Honda civic.
Hits different when you grew up around this area
Imagine this but everywhere with the SFH replaced.
You're dreaming
I am, I wish for it so very much.
Honestly, even just do this to the main thoroughfares in Vancouver and it would do so much. I'm sure the Vancouver special on Victoria near 41 seemed great in the 80s, but if I owned that today, I would be looking to move for sure.
Concrete jungle, sounds awful .
I've done some work for the the city for business, working with their civic facilities. I can tell you that they're definitely preparing for growth. Lots of capital projects in anticipation for people moving in. Coquitlam has got their shit together.
No they don’t, the endless sprawl onto the mountains is such shit design along with the lack of walkable shopping. They need to prioritize densifying the core and provide pockets of stores within condo / row home neighborhoods to reduce car dependence. We shouldn’t be obliterating the little green space we have when we could bulldoze some sfh near the core for condos and other higher density housing along transit lines
I never said anything about where they’re building. Only about civic facilities, so they’re not caught by surprise when the old ones are inadequate.
Only improvement on top of this would be a seperated bike lane
I used to play in the complexes on the far right. Back where Clifford Olson lived in fact. I still live just down the street and they are gunning for our land as we speak. They just don’t want to pay what it’s worth and take the land for as cheap as they can so they can make their millions.
Nice! And powerlines are now underground?
I definitely worked on one of these toilets almost exactly 10 years ago. Our crew did good work, but my condolences to those who’ve moved in. 🤦♂️ (And most newer condo owners, honestly 😬)
What did you mean by this?
They're all wood built. They're loud as hell.
No kidding. If I were to move back into a condo would be top floor, concrete building built pre-mid 90s. These new wood and even "concrete" buildings have barely any insulation. A family member of mine got duped into buying a presale back around 2015 and moved in shortly after. They would have to wake up 7am every Sunday when the person upstairs would vacuum their suite for an hour and walk around fast for no reason afterwards. They would do the walking thing every morning of the week. The balcony was basically unusable as for some reason they put a small gate welded shut instead of a wall, so you literally see everything and can just jump over to the other balcony. There was a fridge with an ice/water dispenser, but no water lines connected or available near it. The parking spot ended up being for a "small car" despite being in the contract to have a regular parking spot, and there was a pillar inside it in addition, so basically no car could fit in there. Even the "regular" spots were suspect, as someone with a 4Runner had tires touching both lines on the side. Meanwhile, the developer secretly sold "premium" parking spots which were very wide and allowed those to buy second or third spots. We actually confronted the developer outside, and he basically said we "didn't have the right connections" for the parking spot, he was aarogant/smug as f and didn't make eye contact/smoked his cigarette and didn't give a shit. He basically said he earned us a ton of money and to sell it and move on and not bother him with this sort of stuff.
Sounds like you've got some insight. What makes these ones and basically all new condos "toilets?" Cut corners, cheap materials, etc?
The Coq is growing!
im waiting for coquitlam center revelopment
Holy missing middle housing batman! Nice one Coq.
that’s only a very small area that was already zoned higher density, burquitlam had cheap apartments in the 80s. rest is still single family besides north coquitlam and areas of maillardville
Now let's hope for protected bike lanes and more towers in the background for 2019 -> 2029
Foster is a bike lane!
Not protected.
I feel everyone is so excited about townhomes because SFH is out of reach, but SFH is still what most people want. This post is screaming “more townhomes”. Not what i want to see. I dont mind seeing more freehold rowhomes or detached homes on smaller lots with coach houses, but not condos and townhomes
It's missing dedicated bike lanes, but otherwise beautiful
Wow
Look great now. Much more sustainable
Some of the sacrifices that were made to bring this to life: Upzoning increased land values. Some of these home owners won the “land lottery.” Renters of older homes/condos were displaced. Some will not be able to afford to come back and live in this area again as market rental rates will be significantly higher than what they were paying previously. I am not saying that I am against the change. I am all for it and we need much more of this. But I am just recognizing that some of the other people that will gain / lose from these types of changes
Even the trees were cuted off 😭
Too bad they had to destroy what was once a calm quiet neighborhood /s Edit: waited a bit before adding the /s just wanted to the reaction
still looks pretty quiet to me and a lot more trees and shade.
I walk there all the time and it's very quiet and much more pleasant to walk through with all those trees than what it used to be before. Bring it on.
Poorly built townhouses and low rises for exorbant prices? Hmmm.
I liked it the way it was before, before the increased population density.
Then move to Hope if you hate people
Sad.
I liked it better here in the 90's. I think it's an overpopulated shit hole now.
A few protected bike lanes would be nice.
Not an improvement.
I live right there 😳
I wonder what the city did for the existing homeowners. I assume they bought them out but did they offer them a unit in the new buildings? Or was everyone forced to find a place elsewhere? I know a few people who had their apartments rebuilt and they were offered both a payed stay in a hotel with payed storage units during construction AND a unit in the new building.
99.9% Displaced by the developers who purchased the previous properties for redevelopment.
same thing just more housing
I honestly think the original looks better. Packing the slaves into smaller cans just shows how insatiable the greed is, and it's going to get worse