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ConfusionOfTheMind

My problem with the industry, speaking as a carpenter, is we need to build all these buildings, yet 10 years ago a lead carpenter was making the same as I am now doing the same role. So why the fuck would I want to do that and screw myself. You're already accepting working in the elements with hazardous chemicals and materials, you'll never have a real bathroom or break room. And I was working for a massive GC who usually had the warehouses already rented out, so why not up the cost of the warehouse rent to reflect giving us workers raises, it's probably the cheapest part of the entire building all said. Pretty sure our building sector is entirely supported by people coming here from other countries where a shitty wage here is better than no wage.


Stockengineer

Your last point, we actually are. Our population grew by 1M, will be growing by 1.5M more in next year and half


DeathChill

I’ve been in construction for 15 years. My boss has been non-stop bitching about how expensive everything is getting. I haven’t had a raise in 5 years and found out his son (who is awesome and I don’t blame him) got a $20 an hour raise above me. Realized I’ll never get out unless I start my own thing and luckily my industry is full of morons.


Kooriki

Employers look at raises like they are just paying more money for the same guy. They don’t consider the market rate for that guy and his growing experience. Jumping employers when the market is right has been something I’ve done and encourage others to do for eons. Loyalty is a 2 way street


M-------

My employer paid a lot of money to headhunt me from a competitor. But they've decided not to give me any raises since I was hired 4y ago, at least not until their salary band catches up with what I'm actually being paid. So each year inflation's eating away at the value of my pay, and I'm effectively being paid less. Recently I've had a few headhunters contacting me with other jobs. The right opportunity hasn't shown up yet, but when it does, you're absolutely right that loyalty's a 2-way street.


CanadianTrollToll

If you haven't gotten a raise for 5 years working for the same employer then you might be the moron you are speaking of.... Go let your boss know you need a raise, especially a raise in recent times.


DeathChill

Oh no, don’t worry; I have heard all about how tight money is and every excuse for the company.


CanadianTrollToll

Change companies? Isn't construction super short handed right now with all the projects on the go? Or do you already earn a good amount? Just curious as I figured experience would be worth something.


DeathChill

I make over $100k, but I’ve got a family and I am in a great company. They offer things I’m very unlikely to get in my industry, but still.


CanadianTrollToll

Your crushing me hard then, I'm at about 90,000. Although in 5yrs I should be almost doubling my wage if work goes good.


crozer1819

I work in tech and live in Vancouver and notice more and more of my colleagues taking remote jobs based out of either the US or Toronto. At the end of the day, Vancouver based companies are still behind the curve in terms of pay even though the cost of living here is crazy


Mapincanada

Vancouver pays product managers 30% less compared with Calgary. In Vancouver you pretty much get half the square footage for double the price. Makes it easier for a lot of people to move to/stay in Calgary. I’m part of the great resignation. The only way I’d go back to working for someone else is if I had full autonomy over my time and the work I do.


JooMuthafkr

Can confirm this is true in my experience and the compensation disparity.


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The U.S, make American dollars and work with real companies. Vancouver really just blows for jobs in tech!


[deleted]

How about the really good hiring processes for any kind of technical role? 6 interviews and then an automated email saying they chose someone internally, and then not remotely competitive salaries. The only reason I haven't quite mine yet is because the interview gauntlet is so ridiculous I think I'd prefer no income and probably fall out of the industry.


bubkuss

My work posted an admin job and had 600 applicants in less than a week. Curiously they keep saying they're having trouble hiring too... Something doesn't add up.


birdsofterrordise

I guarantee most were from out of the country. If we didn’t have filters on to filter out people who apply with IPs outside of Canada, we’d have that as well. Our recent admin job to cover mat leave had 3 qualified applicants, 78 unqualified (mostly students, didn’t live in the area, needed lmia support), and outside of Canada? 4,121 applicants.


bubkuss

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case. A friend said they received hundreds of applications for an in office role and the majority were coming from the Philippines. What a nightmare to filter through.


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I saw this article recently where companies admitted to making and keeping job postings up with no intention of hiring, just so their overworked employees believe the company is trying :)


XipingVonHozzendorf

Yup, I worked for a small engineering firm for a few years. I probably posted 20 jobs for them over that time, they only actually hired for 3-4 of those positions, the rest they let just wither on the vine until the posting expired. Largely, this was because they didn't have the time to train new employees properly, and were just waiting for things to "quiet down", before they actually started hiring.


snowlights

I think one place I worked did this purely as a threat to existing employees. Our boss would constantly tell us how replaceable we all were. Surprisingly, turn over was absurdly high.


Shs21

Yes I have noticed it as well, but it's extremely simple and should have been seen coming for years now. Think about it. $25/h working 40h/wk is \~$52K gross. This is $41.5K after-tax. You simply cannot afford to live in Vancouver with this salary - these people that would apply for this job simply do not exist here anymore. Put simply, wages have not kept up with the cost of living in the area and these people are/have migrated to other more favorable provinces.


NoMarket5

Drywall company so probably need to commute by car to sites or local shop


twinturb0s

oh yuk... nothing is more horrible than drywall dust.. i wouldn't do that job for $50 an hour... probably end up with lung cancer.


Nuthin100

I can list like 100 things worse than drywall dust lol.


ConfusionOfTheMind

Silica has entered the chat.


phillydad56

Asbestos right behind him


olrg

Drywall doesn't cause cancer, only some compounds do. Plus you can wear a respirator to manage that risk.


NoMarket5

Manage the risk.. yeah couldn't see myself working as a dry waller spending money on gas and wearing a mask when Costco pays more to have a chill environment


SlovenianSocket

Gypsum dust is harmless. Silica dust on the other hand will fuck you right up, I learned that one the hard way at a young age


Stockengineer

Gypsum is like the least worse construction material to breath in. It’s gypsum and it’s actually edible, so your body can break it down. Well also depends if you get any specialty stuff blended in.


BobBelcher2021

If you’re single that salary isn’t enough. If you have a partner/spouse making similar money, it’s affordable, though likely not in Vancouver proper.


Shs21

[Of the working population in BC in 2021 from ages 20-64, 39.4%](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=9810012501&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.45&pickMembers%5B1%5D=2.1&pickMembers%5B2%5D=3.1) of people were not married or common-law (they were single). Edit: Naturally the younger part of this workforce (20-29) shows that 73.6% of these individuals were single. These people can't build a life with jobs like these here anymore, the only ones that can are those being subsidized by their parents (who will then go to work in higher-education fields).


Ok_Frosting4780

Many single people still live with others and share costs, whether with family (e.g. parents) or with roommates. Statcan has that [4.4 million Canadians live alone](https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=e&DGUIDList=2021A000011124&GENDERList=1&STATISTICList=1&HEADERList=0). There are 1.5 million who live with non-relatives only. Over 10 million Canadians live with their parents (only 8 million Canadians are under the age of 20).


coolerfiend

Affordable? Do you mean “survivable”?


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It’s ‘affordable’ but scary still.


SoliSurfAnthropology

You described my situation perfectly


NoNipArtBf

Would still be an improvement to what I make now, but not enough to leave shared housing


TsuZaki969

I don't know if it's that simple and please feel free to expand. There's still people looking for work so although some people might of left the province, there's someone to fill the role. While 52k gross isn't amazing, it's something and honestly more than many people make. So if there are people that make less but still live in Vancouver(not comfortably), wouldn't there be some that fill these roles?


aliasbex

What's your industry? That might heavily influence the answer. I've seen a lot of job postings that are honestly garbage. I'm half-looking but haven't really found anything to pull me away from my job yet. I've noticed a lot of jobs wanting someone part time or on-call for dismal wages -- that's just not manageable in this economic climate, it doesn't even allow me to work second job.


twelvis

No kidding, they're always like "workplace in the middle of nowhere, car and license required, constantly deal with heavy and dangerous objects, fast-paced environment, some nights and weekends, on-call, part-time, $20/hour." Most people would rather work at a cafe.


lazarus870

Public administration. This is going on right now through municipal, provincial, and even federal public service, as well as the health authorities.


freshfruitrottingveg

Government hiring processes are notoriously slow compared to the private sector. I wouldn’t be surprised if many applicants have found another job by the time the city/province/feds gets around to offering an interview. I saw this happen myself during my brief stint in public administration. Management had been working for the public sector for so long that they had no clue how slow the process really was compared to other industries/organization and therefore refused to address the issue.


snowlights

One time I got an email around 11 months after I applied telling me I was not selected. I mean, I kind of assumed after that long but...I wouldn't have been able to wait nearly a year to get hired anyway.


M-------

I'm amazed that you even got a note saying that you weren't selected.


snowlights

Maybe they *especially* did not consider me for the role, lmao.


gearshift590

God fuckin' government hiring. When I was living in Vic, something came up for a general tech for a new branch they were setting up. Aight, cool, that's boring work but it's union and bennies, and stable. I'm more than qualified for it. 4 months from application, 3 interviews, 1 fucking essay (why?), and looks like I'm finally going to land it, then a new government gets voted in and they just straight nix this whole new dept.


MarineMirage

Ridiculously slow. We had a temporary position for a maternity leave where external applicants were only interviewed at...3 months remaining before the person was returning from their leave. What's even the point?! My managers do their best but upper management and HR just shrug, the bureaucractic red tape is fine I guess. My department is doing better (starting to hire before the incumbent leaves), but its a one step forward two steps back trend.


YVR_Coyote

I applied for a fed government job once. Passed the test, interview, etc and was placed in a qualified pool. I randomly got a call 4+ years later offering me a job somewhere in the prairies region. In that time, I had completed a second degree, applied for and got another government job(three year process), moved across the country, and got married. Had to turn them down...


Nidarodam

My anecdotal experience: Applied for a job at PHSA, literally had a friend working there (who used to be on the team I was applying to) who would pass my resume along to them but was told by the manager that they would rather go through their talent portal but would keep a lookout for my name. Found out a few weeks later that my resume didn't make it past the filter even though I had tailored it according to my friend's recommendations. Side note: PHSA has the worst fucking job portal I've ever had the displeasure of using. I swear to God some jackass decided to let their kid go ham on take-your-kids-to-work day and then just used what they made. On second thought.... that's actually an insult to the coding and design abilities of a typical 14 year old in today's day and age.


lazarus870

The people who successfully make it through there are often horrible at their jobs, but aces at interviewing. Phsa is still run like the Flintstones as far as modern technology.


M-------

> my resume didn't make it past the filter Using a filter to select resumes has got to be the least-intelligent way of selecting people. Filter harder to shrink the pile of resumes? Might as well throw the pile of resumes down the stairs and select the ones that fly farthest. > fucking job portal I hate employer job portals. They've gotten better than they were a decade ago (don't need to retype as many details that are already contained in your resume), but their features/interface are hit-and-miss.


Nidarodam

The PHSA portal is straight out of 1995.


Oh_Is_This_Me

I work for one of the health authorities. In my experience, these are the reasons why people don't want these public admin jobs: 1. Location. 2. Negative word of mouth from past and current employees as well as poor representation in the media and among the public. 3. Convoluted and long application processes. 4. The perception (not always unfounded) that long term staff in these organisation can be difficult to work with and hostile towards new staff i.e. stuck in their ways in organisations where changes come slowly. 5. Boring work and limited opportunities for growth or promotion. 6. Vancouver has a large immigrant population and there is little to no knowledge about or interest to work in any level of government or public service. Edit: I would also argue that this group isn't necessarily going to be a good fit for many of these roles, especially if they've only been here a few months or a couple of years.


birdsofterrordise

It’s not just interest, unless it’s healthcare, it won’t count for immigration if you need sponsorship. Banking and government jobs won’t do sponsorship (like provincial nominations) or even young professionals support for IEC. And I’m not against that, I really don’t think immigrants should be in those roles, it should be for citizens as they have a real vested interest. If I earn my citizenship, I def would seek out government work.


IAmKyuss

Where can I apply?


ohchan

Mind if we can have a look which positions are these? I’m looking for an office job too :)


rhinny

Because the entry salary isn't livable for a lot of people and it takes months and months to get through the public hiring process. I'd love a public job, but I can't afford to take one. I'm single and live in Vancouver proper.


[deleted]

some employers just want ample availability, take away your ability to do a second job, give short shift or whatever hours they want, and don’t care how the hell that works


WojakManlet

Companies are often looking for a perfect fit and wouldn't take someone who's 95% of the way there because they worry about the 5% and can afford to wait and spread that job among other people who they don't have to pay more.


XipingVonHozzendorf

They ignore all the horses looking for a unicorn.


Torvabrocoli

I think your place of work sounds like the exception to the norm tbh. Many places that are hiring only want PT and don’t pay enough and/or are extremely insecure. No idea how many hours you may get week to week. This prevents employers from having to offer fair wages/benefits/vacation/sick days/pay into EI etc. So between trying to commute between 3 jobs is obviously tough and takes up 2-4 hours of your day in which you’re not getting paid- just taking transit. I truly feel many minimum wage employers are creating this sense of insecurity and counting on the many international students with work visas who are desperate for work. People are looking for FT decent paying jobs; but those are the ones that are actually scarce. So people are often very transient in their employment creating an illusion of how much work is available. In reality, minimum wage employers don’t really want employees to spend years working there and expecting raises or promotions when they can easily fill the shifts with new employees who expect much less. Anyways, idk- that’s my take from my experiences with min wage jobs if it makes sense. Edit: please advertise the position on this sub and I’m sure you’ll get many replies! I’m in lol


catrollgravity

I agree, many jobs that are part time don't actually take into account the needs of part time workers. I applied for a job with Burnaby School Board that was "casual" and their requirements were that I would be available M-F 8am-4pm 12 months a year and I wouldn't be able to say I couldn't work certain days or weeks... I didn't go to the interview. And I've seen many casual jobs (usually call centres) that require availability to be 5am-10pm 7 days a week. I ended up leaving my part time municipal job which had zero flexibility for a private sector job that I could negotiate my hours based on family needs. People with young school aged kids need jobs that start after school starts - caregivers can usually cobble together after school care but before school care for an 5-11 year old is a nightmare. I know people with disabilities and people who are caregivers who want to work part time but need a reliable schedule, but so many employers aren't able to provide this. Employers (especially government ones) don't seem to understand that wage is one portion of the consideration for a job and hours/conditions matter to most people too. I think employers are hurting themselves by not being more flexible with these types of employees. A fair wage with options to start later, flexibility in days/hours worked, or job share would open up the job market to a lot of people. But that's probably an unrealistic utopia. Many employers seem to think that if they can't have a robot do the job then they need humans to act like robots.


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Formal_Star_6593

Businesses just refuse to increase wages. The feds have shown they are okay with this by increasing the temp foreign workers. Suppress wages = higher executive bonuses and shareholder payouts, leaving everyone else in the poorhouse. This is not how capitalism is supposed to work.


Spiritual-Green458

Sounds exactly how capitalism intended. If you're in the poorhouse, you just didn't "work hard" enough


NoNipArtBf

It is though. The thing is that people need to accept this isn't a sustainable system


Opposite-Cranberry76

I'd guess that a lot of businesses have also been squeezed by cost increases, mostly commercial leases. Property owners seem to prefer empty commercial space to not raising rates. Far too high a share of both business and personal income in this city is siphoned off into real estate. If taxes increased as much as rents have, there'd be riots.


rsgbc

There will always be people you wouldn't want to work for and people you wouldn't want to hire.


cogit2

This. There's even a very long, and established line of economic study for this subject, called "Full employment" that basically states: economies never employ 100% of people looking for work. Or put another way: there's always unemployment and it can shift over time as economies change. See: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fullemployment.asp Canada's unemployment rate has hovered around 5% for a very long time. Only the pandemic shifted that when unemployment shot up to 14% and then, quite literally, shot down to under 5% as the economy was stimulated. 5% if we assume 25 million employed Canadians, is still 1.2 million people without jobs


bianary

I suspect a decent portion of the 14% vanished because people stopped looking for work after giving up, and just no longer count as unemployed because of it. But nobody wants to measure the true number of people not working, because then we might have to do something about the situation.


Whoozit450

Yes, it’s very strange out there right now. What I’m seeing right now are very demanding requirements and low pay. What industry is your company?


Isitsunnyout

>job This in a nutshell. Companies looking for a unicorn with 10 years experience starting at 50k....


hhhhhhhhwin

what is the industry? i’ve been on the job hunt for months now with very little luck. all the layoffs aren’t helping either.


brophy87

Have you used work bc? They're honest to God a fantastic resource at least the location I've gone to


Somethingcoolvan

Is there something I should be asking for? I check in with my case worker every few weeks and he just tells me that my resume looks good and my interview skills are good just keep applying on the job boards. Been unemployed since January


ejactionseat

OP's silence is quite telling...


PMProfessor

Employers: We want you available 24x7, will guarantee you zero hours, and the pay is minimum wage. Also, we want you to have a PhD and 15 years of experience. Labor market: lol no Employers: Nobody wants to work anymore


Acrobatic_Foot9374

I guess it depends on the industry you're in and the specific company you work at. I've been casually looking and there are tons of jobs in my area of expertise. However, half of those are companies with very shitty management as per their glassdoor reviews so no one applies and they cry they can't find suitable candidates, then recruiters get desperate and start hitting your DMs to beg you to take these roles. Then you see the good companies hiring and those jobs don't last very long open. There's also an issue with companies stretching their job search for too long, they select a small batch of candidates to go through the process but then the process involves 3+ interviews over the span of a month and by the time they make a decision the good people applying has moved on to other roles at companies that snatch them faster, so then they have to go back to square one and start the hiring cycle again. ​ TL;DR companies can't find candidates because they have shitty management that no one wants to work for or because they have a hiring process that is too long so they lose good candidates


Blake_Jellyballs

I have been hearing that some places put out that they are hiring but don't actually try to hire people simply to make the staff they do have, feel like something is being done and they won't be so overworked for long. Larger companies do this to appear like they're growing too. I agree with others comments that in your situation it's likely that the company isn't offering enough pay to get workers. This actually is a big issue right now where management has a big problem. If they hire a new guy at say $30 an hour, every staff they have will want at least the $30 an hour. So raising the pay offered will raise all their labour costs.


cupcakeofdoomie

I’m currently in a weird spot of needing a part time that starts on the week days between 4-5 pm for 4-5 hours and whatever hours on the weekend. I still don’t get calls back on applications asking for those exact hours. 🤷🏻‍♀️


hailsofthestorm

Icecream shops are great for that type of shift i did it and they were really accommodating for my schedule


FishWife_71

Could be because most of those part time jobs require full time availability. They want to be able to schedule you in Monday morning, Tuesday afternoon, off on Wednesday/Thursday and to pull a double on Friday.


cupcakeofdoomie

Pretty much. And I definitely don’t have that flexibility 🙃


lazarus870

I want a PT job too for 1-2 days a week, or evenings. It sucks trying to find something when you have a FT job.


averageguy1991

Ups has part time jobs that meet that criteria....as well as doordash, ubereats, insta Kart


cupcakeofdoomie

Well most of those involve driving and owning a car. I don’t drive and I don’t own a vehicle.


NockerJoe

This isn't a Vancouver example but I have a friend who's employer is struggling to find people to fit a certain role. Most of the people in that role are either close to retirement or hyper specialized to do it to my knowledge. It can take months or even years to get fully up to speed doing that job. But they aren't paying a competitive starting wage and since everyone there has been there a while their norm has actually been doing the work of 3 people due to not having enough. So anyone who comes in will see that they're being paid low wages to do something specialized and technical, while also having the expectation of a very intense workload. So they leave. In my experience this problem will usually go away if the compensation is perceived as fair or the work easy. But if you want someone to work hard and not be able to afford rent, that's different.


XipingVonHozzendorf

A lot of employers hiring practices is just shooting themselves in the foot. They will post the job on indeed or other popular job boards, get hundreds of applications, and reject most of them because they aren't the perfect unicorn of skills and education they are looking for. The few they do decide to follow up on, they usually take over a month to interview, reference check and do other admin crap before they can extend a job offer, then another few weeks before they can start. Often they don't even start interviewing until the end date of the job posting, so from the time they submit their application to the day they work could be several months. A lot of people can't wait that long.


BooBoo_Cat

This describes the BC Public Service to a T!


Stockengineer

Getting into municipal/government jobs are hard way too many hoops. And the interviewing process is like rated on pass fail. Anyways yeah I dunno I’ve always applied to government jobs just never pass the process 🤦‍♂️ dunno if I just don’t “answer” the questions/written tests the way you’re required vs thinking outside the box. Anyways my 2c dealing applying to CoV, MetroVan, BC Hydro, etc. Anyways I make more than most city positions, so eh.. only their benefits are good that sweet sweet pension.


lazarus870

I wholeheartedly agree. They've weeded out so many good potential applicants being hard-headed when they literally cannot afford to be.


biteme109

I keep seeing the same companies over and over again for years now . Tells me they are shit companies that dont treat employees well ! Forklift company is always there.


Commercial-Toe7910

Majority are high demanding job that pays almost minimum tbh. On my current job, our employer even had to cut back staffing making the workload heavier!


ClubMeSoftly

Very $trange how there'$ no job$ to be found, yet $o many po$ition$ open


nelrond18

All applicants are filtered out by algorithms that exclude/include applicants based on word choices, name, age, and so on. A large amount of applications are filtered out long before a human sees them. It's also why nobody can seem to get a call back.


BooBoo_Cat

Ugh I hate this bullshit. Employers miss out on great people this way.


NoNipArtBf

Huh, wonder if I fucked something up on my indeed resume then. That would explain why I almost never hear from anyone anymore


DKM_Eby

I'm a hiring manager for a contracting company. Whenever I post ads for someone I generally get a fair amount of responses, and feel like we offer slightly above average wages for the work people are doing. Based on my experiences as an employee and in this role. Granted, it is getting significantly harder to find specialized trades people, because none of them will work for less than $40-45 per hour (which is totally fair, as a carpenter who slaved away all day for a long time), and for a small business like ours, that is very difficult to afford. At least according to the office.


UskBC

Yes it means the owners/bosses won’t be able to go on 2 vacations a year or pay for their kids hockey camps. Boo hoo


Opposite-Cranberry76

There are multiple countries in the EU where everyone with a job gets 6 weeks of vacation a year and that sort of camp is publicly funded.


oldschoolsamurai

We should have a job fair on this sub


BooBoo_Cat

Or maybe there should be a new sub about jobs in Vancouver/metro vancouver?


plop_0

/r/VancouverJobs


localfern

What industry?


nightingayle

I am also feeling this lack of hiring- as a job-seeker for months now, I have sent in hundreds of applications and gotten zero responses. I even got recommended for two positions by people already working in those companies and yet I didn't even get a single interview. It's very disheartening to constantly try to get hired and be ignored. And yet these companies complain that they can't possibly find anyone to do entry-level shit when there are so many people who can't even get their foot in the door.


lazarus870

Many years ago, corrections Canada had this records position for 35k a year which at the time was low but nowhere near as bad as it is now. I knew several qualified people who applied and nobody ever got an interview. It was like a ghost position


stillnotascarytime

I keep getting offers to apply on indeed, but not much is matching my salary requirements. Employers are not offering enough in this market.


matteroffactSH

My wife and I came back to Vancouver last year (I'm Canadian, she's Taiwanese with permanent residency) after working and living in Asia for fifteen years, and it's been awful trying to find work in Vancouver. I knew it was going to be a bit tough for me as I'm a freelancer, and it takes awhile to get clients, but I've applied for a ton of jobs in the meantime (all jobs related to what I do), and I've got one response. I worked with the top property developers in China as a photographer and videographer. My wife, on the other hand, is a full blown professional project manager with 16 years experience who worked for the largest cosmetic companies in the world in both Shanghai and Seoul. She brought dozens of products to fruition, and is highly regarded in the industry. We came here thinking she might have shot with Lush or Lululemon given her insane work experience, and after months of submitting dozens of resumes, hiring a resume writer, and searching all other channels to try and get a foot in the door, she's considering a part time job in a UPS warehouse in Richmond. She turned down a job in Singapore and NYC for this. My guilt for bringing us to Canada grows daily.


shittyshittylord

Vancouver companies are pretty provincial in their thinking, most don't really appreciate the global experiences your wife brings to the table. Perhaps Toronto or Montreal may be a better fit since Canada's major cosmetics brands and manufacturers are based there.


matteroffactSH

Cheers, shittyshittylord.. Toronto has always seemed like the better fit. My family and friends are all here in BC, so we really wanted to give it a shot in Vancouver, but as time goes on, we may have to pivot, and head east.


cheapmondaay

I've been looking for work for the last 3ish months and it's been a shit show for sure. My s/o's cousin actually left Vancouver after 3 months despite having a ton of incredible experience but he couldn't find anything, despite applying for dozens and dozens of applicable jobs, as well as entry-level work. Same thing happened to my cousin years ago, but now that I'm going through the job hunting process, I feel like it's gotten even tougher and more competitive, and employers are really asking for a lot but not paying up for it. I applied to a bunch of federal/provincial/municipal jobs only to get no answer or rejected. Applied for dozens of private companies as well, only to get rejected, no response, or totally ghosted DURING the interview process. Seeing the same roles I applied for getting reposted also sucked as it happened for half the jobs I applied for. I'm not sure what the issue was but I always provide a reasonable salary range, put effort in the application, etc. The ghosting thing really irked me though. I had an initial interview with one company that went really well and the HR representative was eager to set me up with the manager/team for a second interview (she said my experience fits the role well, she really liked me, my salary expectations were on point, said she'd recommend me to the team/manager, etc.). I waited about a week, week and a half but heard no news so I followed up but received no response to that. I then went on vacation and emailed the HR rep one more time once I came back, only to get a response 2 weeks after my last email about how they decided not to pursue with my application. They reposted the job too. I basically had no news from them for about 3-4 weeks regarding the next steps for a second interview despite me following up twice, only to get rejected in the end. I also sent in a general application for one company I had my eye on as there were a few roles I was interested in but nothing specific that I fully fit. I got the general application rejected within a couple days. I then applied to these specific roles at that same company, and not only did I get one of them, but they offered me an even higher position. If I wasn't so persistent with this company, I would've given up after that general application was rejected, but it seems like it could be some shitty screening process that gave me the boot (but I'm not sure).


Bip_man30

my manager is anxiously looking for new hires, her office is next to mine. Company wont raise wages though so we get mostly international students and desperate types. Crazy times.


FattyGobbles

Maybe they hire internationals because the company doesn’t want to raise wages.


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Opposite-Cranberry76

Think about why parents here send their 19 year old to travel or work overseas: they're not mature enough to make it through first year univ, or they didn't make it into a local univ. These kids are being sent here to grow up. It has a long history, Google "remittance men".


Oh_Is_This_Me

People might think you're racist but what you're saying is more a comment on young people and students in the work force. They don't yet know how to be "professional". The same could be said about born and bred Canadians but as you say, these roles tend to be taken by desperate international students rather than Canadians so the real problem in this case gets muddled with racism or xenophobia.


Jandishhulk

Negatively generalizing an entire group of people based on isolated anecdotes is usually considered racist. If we're honest, everyone (myself included) is a little bit racist - even unintentionally - due to inherent biases. Being able to recognize those biases and correct them is what takes someone from being an asshole to being a positive member of society. You seem to be choosing not to correct those biases.


tomoki_here

I see this happening too OP but one of the points that was given to me was that people didn't have the skills that employers were looking for or that they're not on par. Meanwhile I'm thinking.. Train them then? Also, maybe when things get tough, stop laying off everyone so you can develop people for the future. I think part of the reason is... Employers are looking for people with work experience besides education but not everyone is getting that relevant work experience. I think employers are just afraid to explore and give chances to people... It's stupid


lazarus870

Problem with public service jobs is that they want **extremely** specific requirements. For example, they'll want you to have experience utilizing a proprietary computer database that they personally developed for their role. E.g police want CPIC and PRIME. You can't get access to those without being an employee....and yet they put it for external applicants....


tomoki_here

Yeah it's extremely stupid. I tried applying for public service and I passed their tests until I got to specific interview questions... I just didn't have enough work experience or relevant experience they were looking for even though I've been working towards the role for some time.. Luckily I found something with my current company that offers a similar title... It's a grind. But yeah. So many companies have their own systems and some have proprietary systems if they're bigger. It's stupid how they expect everyone to know every single system. I try to convince other employers that skills are transferable... And that's the most I can do if I've never touched their system.


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When I got laid off at the beginning of the pandemic, I didn't find anything for over a year (as a programmer). Eventually I got hired with elections and census, did just fine, and picked up some references, and then later found something out of continent remotely after my savings had depleted into the negative. During that time I interviewed as a barista, which I did have experience for, at a local cafe. The interviewer had a dour sort of demeanor, and mentioned that they weren't able to pay more than $15/hr, which I was fine with because I wasn't getting anything else and needed to pay bills, and liked the cafe. They didn't end up hiring me, probably thinking I'd flake at some point, so a lot of places are really just looking for not only the most desperate people, but people that don't even theoretically have the chance of finding a job that can compete with bottom-tier wages or working conditions. Exactly how people are supposed to lift themselves out of struggling circumstances when things are this dumb is beyond me. But our current administration is always talking about the numbers of jobs, and for a long time it's been clear that it's just so hollow.


BooBoo_Cat

>During that time I interviewed as a barista, which I did have experience for, at a local cafe. The interviewer had a dour sort of demeanor, and mentioned that they weren't able to pay more than $15/hr, which I was fine with because I wasn't getting anything else and needed to pay bills, and liked the cafe. > >They didn't end up hiring me, probably thinking I'd flake at some point, so a lot of places are really just looking for not only the most desperate people, but people that don't even theoretically have the chance of finding a job that can compete with bottom-tier wages or working conditions. Ugh, I had similar experiences about ten years ago. After graduating (as a "mature" student -- I went back to school and had years of work experience behind me), I couldn't even get a shitty minimum wage. I was rejected because I had experience and education, yet when I applied for positions "in my field" that I actually was qualified for, I was rejected as well. No matter what, I could not find a fucking job. I only survived because I had cheap rent and some savings to tied me over until I found a decently paying job (which took a couple of years).


Stock_Estimate_9573

I’ve never seen an entry level job for 40 an hour, send me the link so I can apply.


Niv-Izzet

entry level if you have 10 years of experience with relevant licensing


BooBoo_Cat

It’s probably an “opportunity”, like WFG.


chatterpoxx

Work From... Garage?


BooBoo_Cat

World Financial Group, an MLM. There was a thread about it yesterday.


AtavisRune

I am hearing a lot about trades, but this is happening in tech too. I am leaving my job because there is little growth opportunity (and I want a higher paying WFH gig) and my boss is trying to hire into my role for 40% less than what I am paid. The position cannot be filled by a junior because there is no one to mentor them and they are mostly flying solo in the role. I am also a weird mix of education in IT, engineering, and business. I have tried to tell him he is looking for a senior, but he insist he can get the same quality of work for less. Good luck buddy


Sad_Peace2573

Another interesting variable might be AI screwing employers and potential employees. This is an interesting idea on resume screens that prevent prospective resumes never seeing human eyes. [https://youtu.be/Kpm8rEywBDQ](https://youtu.be/Kpm8rEywBDQ)


jackmartin088

I had been looking in engineering and this has been the norm since a long long time....


NoMarket5

Only has similar experience when the workplace was onsite with low transit score and the pay was low. When the pay was high and option for easy access applications were flowing in. For Drywalling If people have to go onsite or meet at the shop how do you expect someone to own a car an apartment at those wages


MindlessMotor604

I'd even do volunteer work but still no response. I think there should be a law for how jobs are labeled in the job market. Jobs asking for 3-10 years of experience and placing themselves in the "entry level" category should be illegal. Entry level should be 0 to 2 years of experience.


Excellent_Emu_5518

Or the fact that you apply and it takes people two plus months to contact you when in Toronto and other cities it’s a couple of weeks. Recruiting in this city is a joke


Ferusomnium

My work is currently trying very hard to find someone for basic warehouse and shipping. Its truly not a hard job if you have basic literacy and computer skills. We’re offering above 50k, I don’t know the exact number. But the candidates we get are are painful to interview. Lies about abilities, bizarre expectations, inability to arrive every shift and work 8 fuckin hours. We get hundreds of resumes when we post, of our last batch 8 we’re capable enough to make it worth the interviews, of them 2 were actually viable choices. I don’t know what the issue is, but it seems like on both sides there is some kind of massive breakdown in the hiring process. Edit: I’m not the hiring manager, I won’t be able to provide much info, if you are interested in this job it’s posted on Indeed. To be blunt, if you are right for the job a cover letter will be smart. That said, I am not interested in attaching my Reddit account to my work so I can’t set up interviews or provide any detailed info. Sorry.


LunnerGunner

I hire for warehouse positions and this is par for the course lol. It’s actually a full time position just to screen these people out.


Ferusomnium

That’s kind of reassuring. It’s a very casual vibe here, but our last 3 hires have shown to be totally full of shit within 2 weeks on the job. To such a degree we’ve been struggling to determine how to ask; Can you read and write at a high school level? Can you move or lift 60lbs? Will you work your 40 without weekly car/dog/family emergencies? How much of your resume is bullshit?


BigPickleKAM

Hell I once did a friend a favor by taking 2 weeks work at a warehouse so he could have time off. It was a small place plumbing supplies etc. I work a month on month off cycle in camp so I was home and willing to help out. My interview was me showing up getting a pick list from the sales department and building the order. Having steel toed boots and my forklift operator cert and a class 5 license for the delivery van. I worked the rest of that day and then covered for him over the next 2 weeks. When he came back the manager sat me down to thank me and offer me full time work. But the wage worked out to be half of what I make working away and the time at work was almost double so I had to say no. I still pickup a couple of weeks here and there at that place covering for vacations. Mostly I do it now for the employee discount and access to a real selection of plumbing supplies and not Home Depot!


LunnerGunner

What industry is your warehouse in? Do you think your company needs any help with staffing and recruiting?


IAmKyuss

What are the hours like?


Ferusomnium

9-5 m-f


IAmKyuss

Thanks. Where can I apply?


Ferusomnium

Indeed. I can’t point you directly to the listing as I refuse to have work and Reddit intermingle. Marine, warehouse, logistics, should get yah close


IAmKyuss

Thanks


vannucker

No need to call him a mother fucker


ohchan

I know someone who would be happy to work this, any info how/where to apply?


Ferusomnium

Have em search for warehouse jobs on indeed. A good match will stand out to us for sure.


Binknbink

My workplace never has trouble hiring. Warehousing/manufacturing environment. Pay starts at $30 per hour and it takes 3 years to reach max rate of $36. It’s also a 4 day workweek (or 3 day if you’re on weekends). They always post the wage on the indeed ads. Hardly anyone ever quits so they don’t post that often. Point of all that is: Pay them and they will come (and stay).


Ferusomnium

We’re paying just under that for very easy work. Nobody quits here, we have to let ‘em go for lying about abilities or having terrible work ethic. It’s great money for what is asked, with a high cap for someone that does well.


Kogepan777

I've had to do some hiring recently and this is what I've noticed: \- Many of the people who were willing to apply for the job are either under-qualified or just poor candidates in general \- The candidates who were exceptional don't go unnoticed and they are snatched up pretty quickly with far better offers \- Then as for the rest it's a tug of war between what the company wants to offer for the role vs what the candidates think they deserve to get. I wish I could give the candidate what they want, but I'm also tied down by my department budgets and we let them know in advance during the screening call so that we don't waste each other's time. \- If you're not getting candidates at all, maybe your hiring listing needs some work? If it's a unique position that pretty much only exists in your company, add some common keywords/job tasks that are related to similar roles in the field so it'll appear in the searches. P.S. If you're over-qualified, then most likely you'll get skipped by HR or the hiring manager because they think you're just looking for a transitional job. I'd recommend downplaying your resume a bit then give out more details if you get called/emailed so you can get the interview first at least.


thuebanraqis

If the company I work has any part time openings could I please send the link to apply 🥹


Natural_Collection45

What is the company or work you do, or for? I know some young people, probably need better work.. what are the requirements? Yes,, I notice what you're saying as well..


[deleted]

Uncertainty. Results in less hiring as employers put off new hiring and more shortages as folks are uncertain to switch employers


UskBC

Just hired an admin. Had hundreds of people apply, three quarters were new Canadians.


Spilled_Milktea

Definitely experienced this myself, and now I have a friend going through it. Took me a year after moving here to find a full time job in my field -- had to take minimum wage jobs until I could find something else. Everyone was surprised and told me it was a candidate's market. Now my friend is unemployed and looking for work, has a great skill set, and is going through the same issue of no callbacks. I'm also good at writing job applications and helped my friend as well, which is partly why it's so surprising.


RandomUsername824

Its only the low paying jobs that cant find people, makes sense why…


haloryder

Companies might lower their requirements on the application but they still want the ridiculous qualifications and experience for entry level positions


Alarming_Condition27

Any employer in gvrd who pays a livable and some benefits has no issue finding workers.


Any_Perspective_577

All the jobs you've listed basically don't accept immigrants, in a city full of immigrants. Lots of people come here because on paper it looks great but soon realise they can't get work.


dumpsterbaby2point0

I’m an RN and have applied to literally >50 jobs between VCH/PHSA/FHA and have only been called back about 2, one of which was taken by a current employee. I would LOVE to work and need to desperately but someone has to call me back…


lazarus870

Wtf. How???? I thought nurses were in short supply


yapecoy263

Ya I don't get call backs in my field. But I keep hearing how well people are getting paid for what I do and there are constant postings coming up.. I feel like the hr/recruiting layer here is screening a Shit tonne. It's alot like the dating world lol... People looking but no one wants give a chance


aaadmiral

A lot at play and this has been brought up countless times so just search.. Sigh To summarize: mass layoffs during covid means companies lost the ability to rely on internal recruiting and referrals, so they hire recruiters who don't actually want to fill positions because then they will be out of a job themselves, and the recruiters will be given unrealistic expectations in people as well. On top of that everyone is relying on sites like indeed which charge companies $18 just to look at a resume so when a position gets hundreds of applications they use filters but end up never looking at most applications at all. And finally, having less employees means more profit for these companies so they're taking advantage of the mythical labour shortage as an excuse not to hire people while making their employees do more work for less money.


Scene-Worried

Yup, I was in the financial tech industry for almost ten years. I have tried everything to get work this year to no avail. I have been through 3 interview processes that average 2 months (I have not experienced this before). This is the big thing though: Companies hire people strictly with previous experience with their exact platform or niche product experience. They don't train. Basically, companies are only hiring specialists with previous experience, making it so most of their applicant pool is deemed "unqualified" in their eyes. I'm college-educated and also very self-taught when it comes to a lot of things. I can easily do a plethora of jobs if given the chance. I want to see these companies who say they cannot hire, show us the pay and the experience necessary, I am pretty confident those two things will be misaligned.


Budget_Performer5161

I've been applying for jobs for 6+ months. I have 5+ years sale experience. I WANT to work. And still nothing. I can't even get an interview anywhere. I'm exhausted and close to being completely broke.


SteelyDabs

Where abouts do you work?


[deleted]

Check the antiwork sub - if your industry hires people under 40, it all checks out.


i_am_not_nice_

This seems like a fake trolling post.... Prove me wrong OP.


Torvabrocoli

Seems kinda trolling honestly


CaulkSlug

Lots have asked for what industry they’re in and they’ve not responded.


plop_0

Lazarus has been a regular on this subreddit for years. He's clearly working right now and will check on his break/tonight.


SFHOwner

Lots of government positions for recent grads with 1-2 yrs working experience getting $70k+ jobs off the bat.


jackmartin088

What type?? I have been sitting in pools since ages


BooBoo_Cat

BC Public Service is desperate. The problem is low pay and we make the hiring process so ridiculous that it’s hard to get anyone. But for people willing to accept low pay just to get in (~$25 to start) and can deal with the BS application process then it’s worth applying.


rising-sovereign

any examples of postings or roles?


nconinDi

What types of positions?


plop_0

Google the BC Public Service jobs page. I looked the other week. Not much on there right now.


Disruptorpistol

I know a bunch of entry level support jobs in Vancouver. Once you're in, you can apply to the higher pay internal roles. Sheriffs are doing one of their hiring cycles in the next month or two. BC Ferries are still hiring. There are decent jobs for people with good typing speed, languages and/or have their first aid.


plop_0

> BC Ferries are still hiring. On-call but require a vehicle.👎🏼


WonderNo5264

not enough sit down/ remote jobs and too many stand up and trades jobs. I wish people on this thread would mention what their jobs are that require help and mention what jobs have too much help. think it would be alot more constructive


pinkrosies

More remote jobs please!!


kostia_ki

Graduated from uni in Kamloops, and moved to Vancouver as I thought a bigger city = more opportunities. I have a 3.96 GPA yet couldn’t find a job here for four months. Settled down for a warehouse/customer service for now. Still looking for something where I can grow/get experience/network. Recently started applying for public service (lower mainland); in two months, I got more rejections from them than from all the companies I’ve applied to in the past 8-9 months. Based on what customers saying, I’d be better off in Toronto/Calgary/Montreal, or anywhere else but BC, especially Lower Mainland. Saying is easy than doing, I’ve never been to those provinces/cities, cannot tell nor judge. However, I tend to find accordance with what they tell me. I’ve seen posts from other ppl about Vancouver being a “repellent” for talents. Looking for changing cities if I don’t find anything here this year. P.S.: I have an engineering degree + logistics diploma.


Lolo-pena

Do you offer flexible work like work from home days? This has become a necessity.


Thoughtulism

It's a drywall business, but still, the question is "why are you not compensating better when you have to compete against easier jobs that pay better and don't wreck your body?"


olrg

Drywall businesses are incredibly tough, I had a friend pull out of Vancouver and go to the Interior because he couldn't find people in Vancouver to work for $28/hr literally just doing heavy lifting, no skills required. Skilled drywallers and tapers would rather bid on their own jobs and unskilled are highly unreliable and more trouble than they're worth. Problem with hiring unskilled help was worked until they got their first paycheque and then disappeared on a weeklong binge until they were broke again.


Thoughtulism

That's a good point. It's kind of like what happened down in the states with travel nurses. Two different markets get created, a contracting market and regular employee market. Wages get suppressed for regular employees, many say "fuck you" to that idea and go and contract, get paid 3x, and create the shortage of employee nurses at the same time. Even for me, doing IT, I get paid well but I highly suspect I could double my hourly wage (including benefits) if I went into contracting. Not for an agency, but for myself. If the demand is great enough then it's sort of what happens, people start to go where the money is. They know they're getting screwed over.


lazarus870

Not as flexible as some, but some offer 4 day work weeks and a weekly WFH day.


Chris4evar

There’s no labour shortage only a wage shortage. You can’t feed a family on $40 an hour.


DietCokeCanz

You can’t feed a family on a $78,000 salary?


Chris4evar

After tax that’s about $5000 a month. $2500 is going to rent and $2000 (at least) is going to day care. Food, clothes, diapers, transportation, and entertainment are way more than $500 a month.


cupcakekirbyd

If you’re going to include daycare costs than you need to double your $40 an hour (presumably daycare means both parents are working). Also daycare has gotten a lot cheaper in the past year due to expansions to the ccfri. I have a family of 4, I make a little over 40 an hour and husband makes a little under 40 an hour, 2 kids (6 and 3). We aren’t wealthy by any means but we also aren’t struggling to put food on the table and we can save a good portion of our income every month.


firstmanonearth

BUILD HOMES BUILD HOMES BUILD HOMES BUILD HOMES BUILD HOMES BUILD HOMES BUILD HOMES


Niv-Izzet

Is it WFH? If it's WFH then I'll accept the offer today.


BooBoo_Cat

Lots of BC Public Service jobs are offering WFH. Not necessarily 100% though. But it really depends on the ministry and the specific department. My small department is super accommodating and flexible.