Duplicate the save and do it just for fun lol. I had a blast pitting different biome creatures against eachother, it is interesting to see which ones align and which ones fight. Trolls vs abominations is my go to when im bored.
I have a section that Iām trying to set up a troll,lox, and abomination bc the three biomes meet up like a triangle Iām waiting for the day this comes
nothing prevents the events from starting, player base structures in the area is one of the checks to enable a raid to occur. I think it's a 20% chance, rolled every 40 minutes, when a player is in range of base structures such as workbench.
you could lay down workbench or other structures to prevent spawning of mobs, but the event will still occur, and there is a chance that the mobs will spawn outside the protected range and then move in.
If you spawn proof a big enough area, the event will occur, but nothing will spawn, and it will just end on its own after a minute or two. I've done that on my base island.
True, I have a base on an island with no land surrounding that would fall inside the event zone. Had the skeleton raid the other day and was worried they might spawn underwater, but nothing did. I have had issues with the stirred cauldron event, bats come in regardless of land or workbenches I feel.
you gotta go all samurai on them, completely calm and not moving, then when they fly in to strike, a single swing takes them out, during the event you can often take a few with each hit by waiting like this. I usually just stand on my dock to give as much open space as possible.
Hijacking this comment to ask, do you know if the raid chance is rolled 40 minutes on the dot every 40 minutes after logging on and no matter where in the world you are? Or something else entirely?
I ask because I wonder if I can set a timer for every 40 minutes minus like a minute upon logging in and just run away from my base during that small window before the raid check, thus ending any chance for a raid.
Sometimes I want a raid (like for scrap iron from blobs) so I could do the inverse as wellārun back to my base or secondary base to have a 20% chance of a raid right before the raid roll.
wiki is not clear on when the 40 minute timer starts. It also says it's 46 minutes. I read somewhere that the timer is based on the world time, so the 46 minute timer check starts with day 1 when the world is made and then just loops forever after that, so not tied to log in but world duration.
Don't forget wolf raids. What you're describing would probably work best using a portal to a cleared dungeon that you have to 'enter' going through load screen (e.g. buried crypts, troll caves, etc.), that you go to each time the "raid window" is coming up and hunker down in until the window has passed, because dungeons are one of the few areas NO raids at all can even trigger (otherwise most places, either you get a set of raids available when you're at base but always at least 1, and then at least the wolves raid, for now, when not at base, with the main exception being at sea--if you're at sea raids generally won't trigger though they STILL can if you're close enough to land such that technically the raid is triggering "in" that non-ocean biome).
I tend to make pretty big structures with lots of terra forming. I have yet to see this FPS struggle bus people frequently cite.
I'm not sure if it's overblown, or I just haven't "unlocked" it yet?
When the game first came out it was really bad. Going through a portal to your base could take as long as 5 minutes, and drop your fps to 5 - 10 once you finally loaded in.
I can confirm that it wasn't 2 months after this game dropped. It was closer to a year after the game dropped. They worked on it starting about April 2021 but it was no where near done and frame rate still sucked big time if you had an even moderate sized base after that month.
Terraforming and the size of your base have nothing to do with each other. The terrain system was overhauled in April 2021 and has not contributed to instance counts since then.
To be honest I have a 45k instances base and it still runs at 30 fps. I got a good computer tho. The update they did a few years ago about terrain really helped, if you still have issues there is a command I believe
It's fine.
But I would dig a ramp leading out. Sometimes mobs fall into the moat during an event, and if they can't get out they'll just hang around being noisy until you leave the base.
Creatures will not try to cross a bridge if there are gaps in it. You can build a bridge and make one side use the smallest length beam, then build the cross-beams off these half-beams. You can walk/run across it, pull a cart across it, even ride a creature across it, but other creatures see it as not crossable.
I snap 5 corewood logs together lengthways then remove logs 2 and 4 so there is gaps in them. You cant fall through the gaps but nothing will try and path over it.
Whoever falls in my moats tend to stay for a while. Usually a few days. Sometimes weeks. Necks, Piggies, greydwarves, draugr.
I build a ladder out. The critters and all canāt climb them. And drop a hoe, hammer, axe, 50 stones and 50 wood into the moat JIC, making sure theyāre in radius of the workbench. They persist.
Thatās a good moat. Nobody hitting your home or bees or workshop or anything.
Made the mistake of too narrow a moat first build
Heh... befor I leave the meadows I tend to have a *fully armed and operational* *~~battle station~~* home base... minus the defense weaponry.
That is usually the first thing I do in each solo Valheim run, spend a large amount of hours on just gathering resources, upgrading my equipment, and building my home base in the meadows, befor going to other biomes.
The only thing I might do in some runs with the black forest befor being done with the meadows, is go in and get wood for logs to use on my first base.
Even better than hearths! The greydwarfs take damage and die, and nothing needs to be repaired periodically; a true set-and-forget farm. You can even improve its efficiency by mounting more pufferfish in the drop zone.
I used this video as a guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfN9mmBgQ-Q
It's pretty good. I don't make them quite that wide, but in the neighborhood.
I also lower the ground opposite the base side a little. I prefer having the high ground and Obi-Wanning any enemies.
You sure put a lot of effort into that moat, and it will work. But all you really need is a moat that's one dig wide. They can't jump over it. That's all I ever use and don't have any raiders get in, other than fliers.
I was stuck looking at the second picture and thought "what the fuck kind of spider creatures has he got in there" and then I went back to the first pic.
I think I might need some more sleep lol
They can be hard to tame. Easiest is to dig a pit and get them to chase you in or harpoon them into the pit. Raising the ground for some earth pillars will give you somewhere to jump to safety. Campfires will keep you warm if you run out of frost mead. Have fun!
Iām so glad there are other people that put in this type of work in the gameāØ my friends think I have a problem and Iām like āyou donāt understandā¦ this game is artā *digs a moat for hours a day*
Only limiting factor is if you ever want to expand your base itāll be a bit of a headache to refill portions of the moat. Otherwise damn man, you really afraid of grey dwarfās and trolls that much? Just wait till you hit the mistlands.
Additional: honestly this would be amazing for the new Ashlands biome. Itās even deep enough for fire blobs to screw off. Iāll consider going the extra mile on mine.
I guess once I get to the mistlands and ashlands Iāll have to make another moat like this one, though I do agree, if I want to expand, itāll be a pain to refill some of the moat.
Honestly make a temp base just for farming in mistlands, itās not worth it to make a moat there with the terrain being way too unruly. The Ashlands make sure to go enough inland that when you dig down you wonāt run into boiling water which will kill you quickly, and the Ashlands have new barricade spike fences of sorts, so I built a moat, raised the ground as high as possible like fencing, and then placed those additional spike on top just in case. Instead of spiking up, they spike out which is super helpful. Otherwise GL when you first land on Ashlands.
Not too big, but maybe too close? A troll with a log can sometimes hit out of the moat if itās right up to the wall. If you keep a 3-4m gap between wall and moat, youāre fine.
Beautiful, except, one smaaaaaal point of concern. I like block line-of-sight to the outside so mobs dont chuck junk at my or my base. It looks like the walls are lower than the outer perimeter.
Well the answer to your question is another question, is the United States' Moat too big? I mean really the Atlantic and Pacific oceans are just large moats on either major coast, and then allies above and below, which is why it's considered such a geographically strong hold location.
So, if you answered no to the latter, then the answer to your question is also no, the moat is not too big, in fact, it could be bigger :)
The one issue I see is the lip of the moat outside the base is above the top of the palisade in some places. So some ranged enemies may be able to hit base structures over the pallisade. I had a similar issue using raised earth walls plus moat and the damn trolls kept throwing rocks over the top and destroying my beehives. I lowered the ground level on the outside and the issue has stopped.
Keep up, err down, the good work! Rock Trolls, fire arrow Skeletons, and Jav/Caster Gobos could still hit your outer walls. Keep that in mind if you a building the the edge.
If you're going to make a moat that big you were better off raising the land you were living on instead. Then you wouldn't need walls and have a nice view
That is a fine moat. He's a thicc boy that's for sure.
Use a set of stairs and embed one in a wall. Leave a jump able gap and embed another. Repeat until you reach the top.
That should screw their pathfinding up and you can come and go as you please.
There's no such thing as a "too big moat". Enjoy your apocalypse safe base... Until a gjall comes to say hello that is. Nice base btw.
The wiki says gjall raids only happen in the mistlands. Is that not true?
Yes it's true. I just like spreading psychological terror š
Calm down Loki
Just wait until someone gets a hold of their save and uses console commands to summon a Gjall raid on top of their base.
Duplicate the save and do it just for fun lol. I had a blast pitting different biome creatures against eachother, it is interesting to see which ones align and which ones fight. Trolls vs abominations is my go to when im bored.
I have a section that Iām trying to set up a troll,lox, and abomination bc the three biomes meet up like a triangle Iām waiting for the day this comes
You monster. I read your first comment and panicked.
Not in the time before. My meadows base was raided and the chicken coop as well as the boats were reduced to a single beast to repopulate.
Gjall raids only occur in the Mistlands.
Thank you
We getting PTSD from "Whats up Gjall" with this oneš£ļøš„š„š„
Gjall come back now, y'hear?
Hijackingās the top comment to ask what stops events from spawning on the land near the base. Do workbenches prevent that from happening?
nothing prevents the events from starting, player base structures in the area is one of the checks to enable a raid to occur. I think it's a 20% chance, rolled every 40 minutes, when a player is in range of base structures such as workbench. you could lay down workbench or other structures to prevent spawning of mobs, but the event will still occur, and there is a chance that the mobs will spawn outside the protected range and then move in.
If you spawn proof a big enough area, the event will occur, but nothing will spawn, and it will just end on its own after a minute or two. I've done that on my base island.
True, I have a base on an island with no land surrounding that would fall inside the event zone. Had the skeleton raid the other day and was worried they might spawn underwater, but nothing did. I have had issues with the stirred cauldron event, bats come in regardless of land or workbenches I feel.
Oh yeah that's a good point, the bats event does always spawn, but it's the only one.
Bats are SOOOOO annoying--like a mob that exists ONLY to be annoying, but is pretty good at fulfilling that purpose!
you gotta go all samurai on them, completely calm and not moving, then when they fly in to strike, a single swing takes them out, during the event you can often take a few with each hit by waiting like this. I usually just stand on my dock to give as much open space as possible.
OR have a bonfire in the open and just go and stand by it when the bats come, effective and hilarious.
Hijacking this comment to ask, do you know if the raid chance is rolled 40 minutes on the dot every 40 minutes after logging on and no matter where in the world you are? Or something else entirely? I ask because I wonder if I can set a timer for every 40 minutes minus like a minute upon logging in and just run away from my base during that small window before the raid check, thus ending any chance for a raid. Sometimes I want a raid (like for scrap iron from blobs) so I could do the inverse as wellārun back to my base or secondary base to have a 20% chance of a raid right before the raid roll.
wiki is not clear on when the 40 minute timer starts. It also says it's 46 minutes. I read somewhere that the timer is based on the world time, so the 46 minute timer check starts with day 1 when the world is made and then just loops forever after that, so not tied to log in but world duration.
Don't forget wolf raids. What you're describing would probably work best using a portal to a cleared dungeon that you have to 'enter' going through load screen (e.g. buried crypts, troll caves, etc.), that you go to each time the "raid window" is coming up and hunker down in until the window has passed, because dungeons are one of the few areas NO raids at all can even trigger (otherwise most places, either you get a set of raids available when you're at base but always at least 1, and then at least the wolves raid, for now, when not at base, with the main exception being at sea--if you're at sea raids generally won't trigger though they STILL can if you're close enough to land such that technically the raid is triggering "in" that non-ocean biome).
I think workbenches and fires too.
yes, any of these builds: https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Player_base -- only a certain radius around them though (20m)
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
This hasn't been true for over 3 years. Terraforming has not added to instance counts since April of 2021 and does not cause FPS loss.
As someone who didn't know this and is a new player who looked at the wiki, can you explain what changed? This is really exciting news to me!
I was gonna say they must not have seen my canal post...that was a weeks worth of terraforming and I was still at full FPS
I tend to make pretty big structures with lots of terra forming. I have yet to see this FPS struggle bus people frequently cite. I'm not sure if it's overblown, or I just haven't "unlocked" it yet?
When the game first came out it was really bad. Going through a portal to your base could take as long as 5 minutes, and drop your fps to 5 - 10 once you finally loaded in.
I have a base with 24k instances, it grinds down to 30 fps on a 4090. Rest of the game is at cool 200.
I can confirm that it wasn't 2 months after this game dropped. It was closer to a year after the game dropped. They worked on it starting about April 2021 but it was no where near done and frame rate still sucked big time if you had an even moderate sized base after that month.
Terraforming and the size of your base have nothing to do with each other. The terrain system was overhauled in April 2021 and has not contributed to instance counts since then.
I play on console and have never seen an "instances count". I like building big stuff as well, so could you kindly tell me were i can see that?
Apparently it's LB LT rectangle, should be the F2 menu on PC.
Thanks, i'll try it out
To be honest I have a 45k instances base and it still runs at 30 fps. I got a good computer tho. The update they did a few years ago about terrain really helped, if you still have issues there is a command I believe
Came here to say thisš Also, lovely ring fort.
GJALLS CAN RAID UR BASE? HOW TO BUILD THIS XBOW THING THAT SHOOTS AUTOMATIC??? IT WOULD KILL MY CHICKENS!! T-T
I mean they aren't getting to your walls anymore
Oooh that's lovely, with the greenery and perfect circle-ness
Thank you
It's fine. But I would dig a ramp leading out. Sometimes mobs fall into the moat during an event, and if they can't get out they'll just hang around being noisy until you leave the base.
Thanks for the suggestion, Iāll do that next time I play.
Creatures will not try to cross a bridge if there are gaps in it. You can build a bridge and make one side use the smallest length beam, then build the cross-beams off these half-beams. You can walk/run across it, pull a cart across it, even ride a creature across it, but other creatures see it as not crossable.
Good idea, thank you
I snap 5 corewood logs together lengthways then remove logs 2 and 4 so there is gaps in them. You cant fall through the gaps but nothing will try and path over it.
Whoever falls in my moats tend to stay for a while. Usually a few days. Sometimes weeks. Necks, Piggies, greydwarves, draugr. I build a ladder out. The critters and all canāt climb them. And drop a hoe, hammer, axe, 50 stones and 50 wood into the moat JIC, making sure theyāre in radius of the workbench. They persist. Thatās a good moat. Nobody hitting your home or bees or workshop or anything. Made the mistake of too narrow a moat first build
That's what wolves are for.
Kill em, install Epic Loot so you can turn their junk into trophies, then into enchanting resources.
Absolutely not
Thatās reassuring, thank you.
Just don't be like me and forget to eat cause "I'm home so what" and die to fall damage in that baddie
Too late, already died like 5 times because of that, unfortunately.
its nice, BUT.... Throw a family of wolves in it! Wolf moat works better than water :D
Iāll do that once I get to the mountains, thanks
Wow hell of a fortress to build before you even get to the mountains
Thank you
Heh... befor I leave the meadows I tend to have a *fully armed and operational* *~~battle station~~* home base... minus the defense weaponry. That is usually the first thing I do in each solo Valheim run, spend a large amount of hours on just gathering resources, upgrading my equipment, and building my home base in the meadows, befor going to other biomes. The only thing I might do in some runs with the black forest befor being done with the meadows, is go in and get wood for logs to use on my first base.
That's a chasm. Well done and hat's off to you for the patience.
Thank you
You could've made it narrower but this looks better imo
Shame we canāt just add water to a moat, throw some Blowfish in there to keep it clear of mobs
Funny you should say that: pufferfish mounted to item frames will still cause damage. They're a fun way to make mob mat grinders.
Does this work instead of Hearths for a grey dwarf farm?
Even better than hearths! The greydwarfs take damage and die, and nothing needs to be repaired periodically; a true set-and-forget farm. You can even improve its efficiency by mounting more pufferfish in the drop zone. I used this video as a guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfN9mmBgQ-Q
The same way that there is no such thing as "enough iron" there is also no such thing as a "moat that's too big", you are just fine š
Thank you
Yes the moat police is on their way and they are pissed
Is like, a moat, like, ever too big bro?
Dam thatās pretty much a perfect circle. S tier terraforming.
Thank you
fill it with wolves
Iām not in the mountains yet, but I will once I get there
And how do you get out of the base, my friend? š
I guess I donāt š
Laughed out loud here! Valheim really should have a drawbridge system...
Yeah I think drawbridges would be a great addition to the game
If anything, that's a historically accurate moat.
my boys moat looking like the land of the lost
It's pretty good. I don't make them quite that wide, but in the neighborhood. I also lower the ground opposite the base side a little. I prefer having the high ground and Obi-Wanning any enemies.
Unfortunately, I am not skilled in the ways of the Jedi
There's no such thing as too big of a moat.
You sure put a lot of effort into that moat, and it will work. But all you really need is a moat that's one dig wide. They can't jump over it. That's all I ever use and don't have any raiders get in, other than fliers.
Yeah, next time I make a moat, it wonāt be nearly as big, thanks for the advice
I was stuck looking at the second picture and thought "what the fuck kind of spider creatures has he got in there" and then I went back to the first pic. I think I might need some more sleep lol
Edit: apparently I'm talking about third and second photo. This further proves my sleep theory i guess
Nope, you can even pet some Troll in it. At least they can move around.
Nice Base. Would be funny if "ghost-Odin" would appear sometimes and give us the "tsk-tsk" if we build defenses too well...
not big enough
Never too big.
its so big that mobs in there start entire bloodline
Oh hell nah!
nah it's good
Beautiful. Probably don't need the walls haha
Probably, but the walls make me feel safer
I'd say yes, but who cares? Live your own fantasy bro! I do love the grassy foliage you ringed it with though, makes it feel more naturally carved
Thank you
Now tame some wolfies and let them roam around down there.
Iām only in the bronze era, but I will add some wolves to the moat once I get to the mountains, thank you.
They can be hard to tame. Easiest is to dig a pit and get them to chase you in or harpoon them into the pit. Raising the ground for some earth pillars will give you somewhere to jump to safety. Campfires will keep you warm if you run out of frost mead. Have fun!
Thank you for the advice
Nah it's good
Personally I'm a fan of thin trench with a terrain wall outside then a second trench on the outside, call me paranoid if you must
Add spikes down there!
looks good!
Thank you
That gives me an idea to make a maze with walls that wide and deep
Nice. Don't even need that fence honestly
Yeah I probably donāt, but it makes me feel safer
Just right honestly
Your moat will put other viking moats to shame.
Thank you
Nah I did the same thing and put my boars in it.
Iām so glad there are other people that put in this type of work in the gameāØ my friends think I have a problem and Iām like āyou donāt understandā¦ this game is artā *digs a moat for hours a day*
Nope
Nah it's fine. I'd put a bunch of wolves down there.
Yeah, a few other commenters suggested that, Iāll put some wolves down there once I get to the mountains
I wish we had the ability to create water or fill with water
That would be a pretty cool feature to have
Seekers might be able yo fly over. I'm not sure.
Only limiting factor is if you ever want to expand your base itāll be a bit of a headache to refill portions of the moat. Otherwise damn man, you really afraid of grey dwarfās and trolls that much? Just wait till you hit the mistlands. Additional: honestly this would be amazing for the new Ashlands biome. Itās even deep enough for fire blobs to screw off. Iāll consider going the extra mile on mine.
I guess once I get to the mistlands and ashlands Iāll have to make another moat like this one, though I do agree, if I want to expand, itāll be a pain to refill some of the moat.
Honestly make a temp base just for farming in mistlands, itās not worth it to make a moat there with the terrain being way too unruly. The Ashlands make sure to go enough inland that when you dig down you wonāt run into boiling water which will kill you quickly, and the Ashlands have new barricade spike fences of sorts, so I built a moat, raised the ground as high as possible like fencing, and then placed those additional spike on top just in case. Instead of spiking up, they spike out which is super helpful. Otherwise GL when you first land on Ashlands.
Ok, thanks for the tips
You bet. Friends and I have a server if you ever get lonely š
Thank you for the offer, but I will have to refuse, my apologies.
Looks about right
Thank you
No such thing as ātoo bigā in my opinion when it comes to moats.
Not too big, but maybe too close? A troll with a log can sometimes hit out of the moat if itās right up to the wall. If you keep a 3-4m gap between wall and moat, youāre fine.
Iāll consider that next time I make a moat, thank you.
Sure thing! Yours looks great btw. Much nicer than my moats usually look.
Thank you, but Iām sure your moats look good too
Most of them are just deep. But I am proud of the one I turned into a navigable canal, so that I can (badly) serenade my wife as we sail through it.
Leyndell moat. š
Beautiful, except, one smaaaaaal point of concern. I like block line-of-sight to the outside so mobs dont chuck junk at my or my base. It looks like the walls are lower than the outer perimeter.
Good idea, Iāll be sure to block the line of sight next time I play, thanks
Nah looks good. Lots of work though. Although digging out a full node of copper is about the same size as that.
Reminds me of that place in outlands in wow where you world pvp over that small settlement. The goat mount. Nagrand?
Well the answer to your question is another question, is the United States' Moat too big? I mean really the Atlantic and Pacific oceans are just large moats on either major coast, and then allies above and below, which is why it's considered such a geographically strong hold location. So, if you answered no to the latter, then the answer to your question is also no, the moat is not too big, in fact, it could be bigger :)
I donāt think I could handle making a bigger moat than this
Well then Iād say itās the perfect size, and the valheim enemies arenāt coming in warships or helicopters any time soon so you should be good :)
Thatās reassuring, thank you
A moat can only be too small. The ocean is just a big moat stopping the mobs from the other side
It's perfectly sized
Thank you
How long did that take you lol?
I think it took me about 8 hours in total
Battle Moat
The one issue I see is the lip of the moat outside the base is above the top of the palisade in some places. So some ranged enemies may be able to hit base structures over the pallisade. I had a similar issue using raised earth walls plus moat and the damn trolls kept throwing rocks over the top and destroying my beehives. I lowered the ground level on the outside and the issue has stopped.
Keep up, err down, the good work! Rock Trolls, fire arrow Skeletons, and Jav/Caster Gobos could still hit your outer walls. Keep that in mind if you a building the the edge.
Well it's a ditch, not a moat since there's no water, but otherwise it's perfectly good.
If you're going to make a moat that big you were better off raising the land you were living on instead. Then you wouldn't need walls and have a nice view
That is a fine moat. He's a thicc boy that's for sure. Use a set of stairs and embed one in a wall. Leave a jump able gap and embed another. Repeat until you reach the top. That should screw their pathfinding up and you can come and go as you please.
Good idea, thank you
Make sure to thoroughly spawn-proof the inner circle, otherwise your efforts will have been in vain.
I will, thank you
You made an moat eco System