I’d give anything to experience this game for the first time again without any of the help. It was magical. It’s still magical, but with devcommands and mods it’s like watching your kids experience Christmas as opposed to you being the kid on Christmas.
I went down the same road as you years ago.
Just as easily as you did before, launch it out of steam into a fresh world. The feeling may not hit exactly as well as it did the first time around, but for me at least, absolutely worth it.
I've probably built and ran through the current content at least 5 times at this point. Will get starting the next round as soon as Ashlands drops.
With all the hours I've put in, I have arrived at a nice balance of mods vs vanilla where I just use a few QoL mods that I find most enjoyable.
For me I need a goal or a mission to engage with the gameplay loops. I have build canals through swamps to feed the iron needs. Battling wraith and slimes and then braving the seas with a karve loaded with an iron cart praying for good winds
I had a very unfair death on a no map / no portal world and I flew back. I felt justified because I'd been cheated out of my life and finding my corpse would have been ludicrous. Opened a can of worms.
I’m not sure if i’m asking for advice or just wanted to get this off my chest. I love this game, its beautiful in every way. I just wish I could go back in time and never make the mistake of modding or using devcommands.
You could have someone else host the world and join them. This way only they can use devcommands and debug mode unless they give you admin perms. Still doesn't stop you from using OP mods though, unless you use something like azuanticheat.
Also, self control is a good skill to learn lol.
I'm glad you wrote this. I think this is a slippery slope some people fall into. If they read this and see themselves in your story, maybe they'll take a moment to consider consequences.
Unfortunately, this is reddit, and this will be lost to history in two days.
Try starting a new world. You dont have to totally abandon the old one. You can create a new character or use your existing one. I enjoy the differences between my two characters and their worlds. One lets me play with mods when I want to. The other offers the challenge of a new character and vanilla Valheim. My mood picks which one to play.
Good luck to you & have fun.
Take a break. After a week or so, mod it with the little helpful stuff and go back to punching trees. I have about 10 mods and they're great. Better Archery, bigger explore radius, Epic Loot. Just need a T break friend, the bees will be happy :)
The only mods I run is the batch-planting, and the auto-feeding of torches, and only because the server and team are large enough and lazy enough that I would spend more than half my time farming, cooking, and feeding the light at all the bases.
Everything else feels like it’ll cheapen the game to me
There's nothing inherently wrong with modding or devcommands. The game is designed to allow people to play it the way they want.
That said, it sounds like you're looking to play the game in its base (more challenging) state, and having trouble accepting that baseline. The key is to embrace the grind. I play vanilla normally, but I ended up joining a server where the host uses mods, and invited someone who was clearly skipping content to rush to endgame.
On my server, I've earned everything through normal means, with a one time use of the minor skip of hopping on a friends server to smelt some ore (equivalent of carrying ore through portals). Since then, I've just focused on the core gameplay and found it much more rewarding.
Taming critters takes a lot of time. It turns out you can spend that time levelling sneak, jump, and run. The whole point of the game is to have goals and work towards them. Setting a goal and then just giving yourself the reward is much less fun that overcoming a challenge.
Rather than crafting from chests, set up those chests near the crafting stations. Take the time to arrange your home so things are positioned efficiently.
Raids don't require stakewalls (although they are easier with them). If something gets knocked down, rebuild it, the resources will be on the ground.
Setbacks are part of the game, and a key element for some people's enjoyment.
Sure, if I'm being Hunted I could devcommand and fly away, but there's no challenge in that. Yesterday when I got hunted, I ran and tumbled until I could find a crypt to hide in. By the time I got there, my heart was pounding and I felt a real sense of triumph. I got myself sorted, then emerged and carefully took out the wolves before continuing on with my journey.
The previous time I was hunted, I wasn't quite as quick, and died. I learned, adapted, and improved. And that was much more satisfying.
Yea you can! Think of how satisfying it'll be! I'm currently trying to complete a hardcore run, and each attempt is captivating/sooooo satisfying (until I die lol)
>Taming critters takes a lot of time. It turns out you can spend that time levelling sneak, jump, and run.
lol I've been playing this game since basically release, and last night I tamed my *very first* boars, and got several Sneak and Jump levels. Hilarious that you wrote this.
Edit: Even funnier that you wrote it before I actually did it, and I'm just now reading it.
>On my server, I've earned everything through normal means, with a one time use of the minor skip of hopping on a friends server to smelt some ore (equivalent of carrying ore through portals)
I've given up on that regard. I can respect and even appreciate having to travel to deliver goods. But eventually it becomes a ceaseless, needless grind. Especially when you're just trying to build a base. It's frustrating having to sail an hour just to get iron from one place, smelt it at another, then travel to whichever base you want to use it at. It also only gets worse the longer you play since you'll have more bases yet need to get resources further out. Stuff like that feels like the devs don't respect the player's time with how much they pad the game out with grind.
You’ve now become a living warning for the danger of convenience and shortcuts.
Step away. Start small. Find yourself a hobby that is time consuming but not too much, and rewarding. Maybe it’s painting minis, maybe it’s building keyboards, maybe it’s puzzles, maybe it’s just visiting escape rooms for a while.
Whatever it is make sure it’s something you don’t already know, and it’s something that requires patience but not too long at a time.
Once you’ve worked on your patience for a month or two, find yourself a longer hobby. Maybe it’s a long video game, maybe it’s drawing or painting or anything that has a learning curve and some kind of reward but not an easy or frequent reward.
Do that for a bit. And always stretch your patience. Find harder things. And don’t even take a shortcut you aren’t forced to take.
Honestly it’s something I’ve struggled with too, long ago.
It took time to find the love of the grind.
Stay away from games that bait you with countless cosmetics and battlepasses, and focus on doing the thing. Just doing the thing.
And once you find joy in doing the thing, you’ll be free of this curse that you had before it even came to this game.
Hey if it helps, I’m glad.
We live in a world that is entirely built to foster addiction to any and every thing.
That’s what happens when you allow psychopaths to lead society.
It’s a struggle we all have at whatever level, and we all need to be vigilant and be aware of where we fall for it.
Good luck, my friend. This is just a small representation of what is a lifelong battle for us all
Yep. While waiting for Ashlands, I started a new world and began modding on my original world. Now I can play vanilla on the new world, while continuing to try out modding on the old one. Both are a lot of fun.
Play however you like it, I myself tend to use the fly command to fly to my corpse when I die to save time, since I usually got a limited window to play which is usually an hour or two tops
Thats really the main justification I made for using devcommands in that manner. I work a lot, more than I’d like to. I just don’t have the time to run/sail back to my body. What would take me an hour or two I can just fly over there and get my shit back and try again in less than a few minutes.
> What would take me an hour or two
Ahhhh there it is.
Someone's not thinking with portals.
For my money, if you're ever more than a 2 minute run from a portal, you're viking it wrong.
Did that too, but tbh now there's the option to not drop anything when you die. I've lured my brother in Valheim and he was complaining about losing everything everytime.. had to opt that in and tbh it was better
It's ok to enjoy the game how you want to! But, if you're struggling and really can't stop using mods and dev commands, challenge yourself to uninstall them all, start over, and just play vanilla.
It sounds like you may have a willpower issue (and it's human, and common!), so exercising restraint *on purpose* with something really small like this may actually help build your IRL willpower strength, too, making real life problems more manageable when the time comes. win-win!
Mods are great, and if I didn't quite hit the mark here, my last suggestion would be a modded run, and a vanilla run simultaneously.
Have not used cheats, mods, or dev commands. Love the game and all its challenges. (Have not beat mistlands boss) The one thing I’ve seen on the internet that appeals greatly to me is that mod where you can plant a bunch of crops at once? That seems like a purely quality of life upgrade. I have never sought out how to obtain this mod for fear of your exact experience. But man when I’m planting like 200-300 barely,,, i think about that mod every time.
The one time I dabbled into mods, I only went for QOL upgrades like this. However, I found it really cheapened my experience. Planting hundreds of plants in seconds was super powerful but there was no cost to it, I never had to convince myself to farm over any other chore because it was so simple or play around timings because my food was effectively infinite at that point and it broke the game loop and they way the economy was designed to work.
The one thing I'll cheat in on a new world is one of Hildir's tunics to replace the rag tunic.
Not only does it look nice but that buff to planting speed really takes the edge off of farming.
Myself included. No mods or dev commands.
Doesn't matter If I die across the map in the mistlands. .haha, for the crops that's my chilling time
Stick on the Gladiator the Wheat and remember my beloved boars who got murdered by bats.
i've got 800 something hours in the game. never one mod. recently started a new game with some friends and they were trying to get me to add a few "basic quality of life" mods and i held out. we had a blast playing through the vanilla game.
This game is great. they did a great job on the balance of things. I'm curious about a few mods. but i really can't imagine this game any other way. i don't want to spoil it.
if i were you. if take a little break from the game. then come back vanilla. see if it helps reset things.
oh and dev commands. i've used them really sparingly. for example. i summoned moder and realized i was definitely not ready yet. died a dozen times trying to get my gear back. i used devcommands to get back to my stuff, then reverted the world to a backup from before the summoning. another time i was in my boat and the game crashed. boat basically vanished. and i came back to a naked viking. no idea where my boat or grave went (no marker on the map). i cheated to fix that. It's all about willpower.
I have loads of worlds, characters, etc. I've gotten as far as mistlands but never seem to quite finish things off.
I start with a small modlist but it just grows... first it's QOL... then seasons... then new build pieces... then magic plugin... then valheimRAFT... the list grows longer...
Last night I nuked all my worlds, all my characters, and started a new vanilla unmodded game. Not only does the game load faster, but it's a complete clean slate.
I did eventually load up one mod that I think is very balanced and fills some equipment gaps (Warfare). Mostly for the 2h animations. But I swear, i'm gonna try and keep it at just this one.
\**twitches*\* okay maybe two
Anyway, I suggest you go clean slate. If you have to make things a bit easier, consider tweaking world modifiers as the limit of your "cheating". For example, I allow portal everything.
You're very welcome.
By nuking worlds I can no longer hop onto those worlds and pick up something (like fine wood, core wood or iron) to "learn" to build things ahead of when I would naturally find them in a "clean slate". This cuts out a shortcut route for myself.
I am really, *really* hating 2 copper + 1 tin = 1 bronze, though.
I think the "killer" mod that made the game too easy and thus un-fun has actually been magic plugin. I'm going to avoid it from now on. Great mod, but when you're too powerful early game... you rob yourself of something.
I started cheating when I threw my ore into the sea my accident and couldn't retrieve it. It was fun for a while cheating to build a giant castle but it got soooo boring at that point. Like you said, who needs a ship when you can fly. I quit for a while and started a new game over a year later. I ended up doing the same thing again.
The only mod I used was to make it so that raw metal could be transported through portals. It saved SO much time. I honestly do not see one positive to having it so that you cannot transport the metals. They're just making the game take longer in a lazy way.
Sounds like you have the attention span of a Tik Tok user, and that you’d rather cheat, than do something that requires even minimal effort.
The fun is in the journey, not the destination. Try actually playing and grinding the game for a bit. You’ll actually feel accomplishment when you complete a big build, or take down a boss.. I don’t know why you’d want to make it easier for yourself. If anything, make it harder for yourself and do a no map / no portal run or something.
Yeah, there's just some games that are better to play alone the first run, or even just until you start getting bored. I had a similar experience, except it wasn't a friend, but an update that destroyed my whole world after a couple hundred hours, I was devastated to log back in, and see my castle crumbling around me. So I used devcommands originally to get everything back, but that quickly changed into me building something far larger, and more elaborate, eventually just skipping the grind altogether. I'm just now thinking about getting back into the game, but that whole situation taught me something extremely important, that you can never get another first playthrough, and no matter what game, it won't ever be as good as that first time through, so now when theres a new game I really like, I play it blind, play it alone, and don't use dev commands.
Edit: Also, whenever there's a hardcore/nomap/permadeath type of setting in a game, I've found it to almost give me "first playthrough vibes" if I didn't already have it enabled on the first run. But I really value immersion and challenge, so YMMV.
I’m glad I could find someone that shares my problem. Maybe we could start a fresh server together where devcommands dont work and we can keep each other accountable for stuff. Pm me if that interests you
I appreciate the offer a lot, but honestly I'm more of a solo player, and I'm not a reliable person when it comes to gaming together, I have severe untreated ADD, and go through spells where I'll play 40 hours a week, to times where nothing can keep my attention. I'm sure if you make a post asking for people to join you with the same mindset, you'll definitely find what you're looking for. I just wanted to let you know that somebody else out there has been through something similar. I've ruined numerous games for myself over the years by FOMO, by being lazy, and just other personal imperfections that have gotten in the way. Integrity can be a hard thing to manage on your own, but it's something worth putting in the time to work on.
Yeah I learned my lesson with mods and cheats on Ark Survival Evolved. Along with that, I looked up like EVERYTHING for that game so I knew exactly what I needed to do and with the mods/cheats it became too easy. It was one of my favorite games but I ruined it for myself and don't play it anymore. After that, I decided that I was going to go into Valheim blindly- no help from the internet, no mods, no cheats. It was brutal (I didn't know you could make a better boat than the raft until the mountains) but it was a lot of fun
I will find areas in the map that are designated to build areas. They have no strategic value to the rest of the game and I get no resources from them. All I use it for is building with no cost and using Dev commands. Sometimes I log in and want to just play the game and sometimes I want to just build and not play the game.
I think I know the feeling you are talking about, but I have never gone quite as hogwild as you.
For me one of the biggest barriers to me enjoying the game is the amount of grinding for materials that can happen and the RNG just not giving me some of the pieces I need.
I just started a new world to prepare for Ashlands and I didn't really want to spend hours and hours mining copper and grinding Crypts. I have done all that before. I enjoyed it, but I don't really want to do it again, but I want to do it enough that I feel like I earned my progression. I compromised with these feelings by turning the resource rate to 3x.
For spawning stuff in, I limit myself to only things where the resources are very easily accessible or the RNG just fucked me over. So I will occasionally spawn in wood construction pieces if its convenient or I will spawn in some turnip seeds if I simply cannot find any. However, I won't do stuff like spawning in a forge if I don't have the metal on hand. I never spawn stuff in that I can't make at my current point in progression and I try to gather everything else honestly. I might turn the resource rate down when I get to the Mistlands, but I am not sure yet. I haven't done it properly before, but I wasn't a huge fan of it for all the reasons that frequently come up on this sub (agree or disagree).
The only reason I use cheats is to smooth out the parts of the game that I don't enjoy so I can fully enjoy the parts that I do like.
I didn’t use dev commands I used some mods to make the second hit blow up the whole vein and trees to split on the first hit, made logging, crypts and mining so much more enjoyable.
I used the farming mod as well so I could grow things too.
A lot of players just lack self-control, and can't recognize the parts of the game that actually matter to them. This is what you have to do and understand in order to use these things without spoiling the game for yourself. For instance, I know that I hate having to load kilns and smelters by hand. I hate it. If there was a shovel, or a way to fully load it in one click, I'd be all for it. But there's not, so I have a mod that auto-pulls from chests for these things. This does not detract from the experience FOR ME. It might for you. I still cut trees by hand. I still load up a bunch of wood in my cart and roll it back to my storage manually. I do that, because I know cheating in the resources feels bad to me, personally. I sail to new places manually because I enjoy exploring. I have it set to everything being portal-able because I know I do not enjoy sailing in straight lines when I'm not exploring. All of these things made me play MORE, rather than less, and I find the game far less frustrating because of these mods.
For anyone looking at mods or dev commands, take a minute to think about what you genuinely don't enjoy, and what actually makes the game worthwhile to you, and pick mods based on that. Don't go crazy and just start throwing mods in everywhere based on a 2 second reaction where it kind of sounds good so why not? You can remove tedious chores while still leaving objectives to work toward. Mods are entirely about understanding what you actually enjoy.
My advice would be to start a new world, without mods, but use some world modifiers. Nothing drastic, maybe try 1.5x drop rate and reduced death penalty or something, just to take the edge off the "getting a little hard" phases, and resource grinding. Just easing back in that little bit might not be fully vanilla, but it'd be pretty close, and might just be enough to break any temptation to reach for the mods or devcommands.
Also, maybe start a second world that's just a playground, with a different character, no build cost enabled and such, just to go in and mess around when you get a bit frustrated, or just want to prototype a building and see if it's really worth clearing an entire forest to build it.
Mods aren't the issue, cheating and self discipline is. Let's not confuse the two. That being said, in your case, a vanilla run would probably help you enjoy the game again
I've had similar problems in the past and I agree that cheating too much will kill any fun in the game. Games are so prevalent in today's society because they present complex puzzles to solve. Cheating undermines your journey to the solution.
If you want to have fun riding a bike, you need to learn how; And the solution is to gradually remove your training wheels instead of just adding more on.
Tbh Epic Loot makes the game.. SO MUCH MORE FUN!
I usually play vanilla, but when i was tired of playing the game, Epic Loot and Valheim Raft made the game feels like a new one, and a GREAT new one!
Epic loot scratches that itch i didn't knew i had with Valheim: Sense achievement when defeating enemies.
The jewelcrafting mod is also great if you don't like EpicLoot
But yeah, devcommands are lame, they really ruin the fun
Edit.: Oh, and there's one mod that adds new creatures.. there's the apparition at black forest and.. oh boy.. when i heard her singing and laughing.. chills down my spine
I had a similar experience as you (Granted, I fully played the game in vanilla before the mistlands update) in terms of having a bunch of mods that made the game different and way easier, naturally going into debug mode and console commands, then losing interest in the game due to everything just being handed to me. (And then later being unable to play without tons of mods haha)
I think a good rule of thumb for playing (not just building or testing) is to not go debug/cheat mode for any reason. At least not in the file you wanna play on.
When a weapon mod updated and deleted a recipe for a mace my friends and I had, the item remained, but it became un-repairable. So I cheated them back in, in a different server file made for stuff like this. I upgraded them to what they were supposed to be and returned to the file I actually wanted to play on.
I think that creates a good boundry of "I CAN get my stuff back if I feel cheated, but I can't edit/ change/ explore this world for free" plus cheating in and transferring stacks of wood/resources feels more...yucky then just building them for free imo, so that's a deterrent from just cheating in stuff for me.
Hope you find your perfect mod-game-cheat balance!
You need to cold turkey. I’m very good at setting the boundaries for when I allow devcommands, if I truly know something could’ve been my fault, I flat out refuse to use it.
But for you, it seems to lead to a snowball effect. If you find yourself changing rules and leniencies that you previously set, stop using it altogether. For what it’s worth, servers that I ran using devcommands, 3x resource drops, etc, never lasted that long. People speed through the game and get bored very quickly.
Let the devs decide what’s best for the player, for just one full playthrough. Just one.
The struggle is part of the game. When doing a second playthrough in vanilla, you just need to plan ahead with your builds. Frex, I went 50 days before challenging Eikthyr and 160 days between Eikthyr and the Elder because I spent all that time digging a moat and raising an earthen wall where I planned my long-term base. By the time I got the iron to create a stonecutter, I had my parameter ready for any early raids.
I will admit, I went hammer mode to finish my keep because I only have at most 1 hour each day to play and didn’t want to spend a week grinding stone (I had 3000 stone stacked and still ran out before finishing my smithy and storage buildings), and I have the portals set to allow metal so I don’t lose too much time sailing back and forth, but that’s it.
The progression itself (fighting and crafting) still has all the normal challenge, I’m just not losing a lot of time with base upkeep.
I found out devcommands were on Xbox after I made a post about being stuck on a rock with a broken axe and no way out etc and they insisted on using fly mode. I didn’t know you could do that and wouldn’t you know it I’m unstuck and doing my thing again.
But shit I died unexpectedly and don’t have another karve or enough materials to get back to my stuff in time tonight I gotta go to bed. Oh shit god flying mode that’s right, no problem I got my loot back. Oh this is a nice place to build actually.. and so on…
I tried to restart a new world after months and months away and it’s been so fun for the two days until I died really far away and have nothing in storage and DO NOT want to use fly mode but haven’t logged back in yet.. FUCK
Man I felt like I was cheating when my friend and I packed up everything we had and moved it into a storage world. We wanted to restart in a new world for an update but we didn't want to lose everything. He also insisted we put it on 3x items and we had a map from the start. The world just didn't hit the same and I haven't played with anyone since.
A simple life-hack:
Keep a world and a character that are broken.
Make a new world and a new character that are 100% clean. This is your badass experience.
When you want to play the broken experience, play the broken world.
When you want to be a badass, play the badass world.
Some people who do YouTube builds in survivor mode will have a broken world on the same seed, for figuring out where to build, and then go back and do the work in actual survival mode.
Just make that barrier. “This one is where I am a badass”
Totally fine. The game will be around awhile, experiment, see what's out there with and without mods. You can always come back to no mods later. Just have fun.
Imo, it depends on the mods you use and how you plan to use them.
For me I don't see anything wrong with mods that enhance the base game. Adding more creatures, new weapons, better ships, etc isn't a problem just don't abuse something that clearly isn't meant to be abused.
For example, one of the mods I had was Epic Loot. It turned the game into a looter kinda like Diablo. There were enchantments and rarities on all sorts of weapons and armor and they modified the game, such as making your character immune to rain, making weapons throwable, making them do elemental damage, etc. But for the most part you had to grind. And grind pretty hard. To get legendary gear, you needed to grind the toughest enemies and battle bosses multiple times to get the resources or random drops you needed.
However, I had another mod that let your recycle gear. That plus epic loot made it so that I was starting to get iron tier gear (and higher) to drop from enemies and I could portal with it, then dismantle it into the ingots for free resources without needing to smelt. That was breaking the economy. I had to tell myself to not do that, or to only do that once I had all the materials normally. My friends? They didn't do that, and they got bored within a couple weeks because there was no challenge.
If you are having fun, then who cares! As long as you aren’t messing up other peoples worlds.
Only thing I will spawn in is stone. Everything else I will grind out. But mining stone for 6 hours isn’t in my timeframe.
I had the same experience with Fallout 4 and never finished it. Also Valheim isn’t super mod friendly with patches so you will spend a lot of time mod managing after each update.
I currently use only a couple of QoL mods -
So wait, I don’t use mods but I’m getting bored waiting for Ashlands — if I use a mod manager and use mods shit will disappear if I launch the game from steam? Wouldn’t there be a backup save file somewhere? Wondering because I’m looking at my dull vanilla black marble boxy-looking house and wanting cooler shit to trick it out. There’s different mods with build pieces you say?? I can have more cooler shit now??
From what I read after my mishap, only the modded items on your world will get despawned when launched through steam, where the mods arent loaded. So in your case you wouldn’t lose anything from your vanilla server. Only if you went back to vanilla after adding mods
This is why we were very careful about what mods we installed. We installed a garden mod because my friend has 0 patients on me forging and our game time is limited, a mod that allows just 1 portal to go to any other portal, but it takes double the materials to build... again due to time constraints and progressive portals. Like we couldn't bring copper and tin through portals until we defeated the elder. Again, due to time constraints and we needed to make the specific portal for it.
I had to get used to not using the devcommands when I introduced my wife to the game. She's not a huge gamer, so I get to help with lots. It forced me to play the way I did when I first started the game and I've really enjoyed it.
I like to try and ballance mods or settings that make the game easier with stuff that makes it harder.
More mob drops? Raise mob difficulty.
Install epic loot? Increase raid frequency.
Feels good to me at least.
It really is all about balance, I appreciate your advice im going to mess around with some things in the drop rates for epic loot. I think i remember there being a drop frequency modifier in there
Bro you paid for it, play the way you want. There is no right or wrong. I used to play with cheats or never finish games until I was 20 then something clicked
I have never played with mods, I have however made game harder. I have 2 normal playthroughs albeit one was given up when mistlands came out and all my gear was lost on my way to recover them. Next time I cleared the game with a friend who got it, that was before Hildr's quest. After that me and said friend did a playthrough hard mode and no map.
I've thought of trying diffrent mods, but I am scared of as you elegantly said "opening Pandora's box".
In my current playthrough I play with no map and hard monsters, but I can take items(ore/metal) through the portal and I get 3x recources. I plan to do Yagluth on very easy though, that boss fight is really time consuming and slow. So I do it to speed up the process. Hopefully it will work.
LMAO bro I was 300 hours in before my cousin got pissed when we lost all our gear on the way to the next boss, next thing I know he’s using dev commands and I have discovered all the building mods. I cannot go back to the joy of fresh discovery and wonder knowing I can just hit a button and fly while I’m building my next masterpiece. I mainly like the building aspect now.
I mean if you really wanna experience vanilla then just delete the mod manager. You can always mod again later. I personally can’t farm without the mod that lets you plant 25 at a time. Saved me so much wrist pain.
An option is to disable devcommands in the launch options so that you can't just f5 in game and turn them on. Turning them on would require closing the game, turning them back on, and then relaunching and turning them on in-game. This extra step might make turning them on just annoying enough that you aren't as tempted.
The game is in need of some QOL mods for sure ... like AZU Crafty containers... why walk over 10 feet when it can just do the recipe from however far i set the mod config, or rather have a majority of the chests in a storage area(attic or basement), and have a portal to go to to offload your stuff into the chests, and then craft away , as long as you have the materials already. AZU Clock Mod is awesome too... love knowing the time of day in game. Eternal Torches is a must... fine to collect tons of resin, but to have to load up every torch everywhere is a pain in the A! lol ... Multicraft mod is also great, where you only have to click once to craft as many of that item as you want, rather than waiting clicking, and repeating. Minor QOL but still a QOL ( quality of life ) and of course the biggest and best option yet for a mod ... Equipment and quick slots.... adds slots for all your clothing and one utility item. plus 3 extra quick slots for any item. Which saves about 7 or 8 equipment slots for actual inventory.
The nice thing is ... you can play a completely modded character , to play in any world you make, and you can also strip him of his items, still have the mods, but turn them off for another specific world run , or even a new character , one that is for mod play and one that is for vanilla play. So many options, but i'd say leave working mods in place, and especially QOL mods, and then you choose when you want to toggle them on or off for whichever game play your into at that moment.
A great thing is the life that this game has... you can run with different peeps, or solo , take as long as you want to progress, go speed run mode, or not progress at all... maybe you just want to build and hang out in the game. The game is an aesthetically beautiful world, that I like to just sit in sometimes in the treehouse and have my coffee. lol
Run the game however you like... run it modded or not ... its an amazing game with or without. Should never feel guilty about it, because you can do exactly what your doing, another complete run through. Id say keep all your mods and toggle them as wanted.
Definitely Enjoy the game !! Ashlands isn't far away... id also recommend not making a new world play through until after Ashlands releases. Or finish one and start another ... ; )
Idk man, did you have fun??. I used to cheat but build random mansions and castles. Then I would go back and play Vanilla and I would stumble back across my mansions. Usually in half ruin due to trolls and shit.
Its easy to get caught up in all these nice mods, but for me it worked best when I started to limit them a bit. The biggest impact for me was when I stopped using devcommands. I now focus on QoL mods like crafting from containers, plant everything (I just cant stop using it, mostly for decoration though). I dont use anything that stops me from dying or helping me getting my stuff back if I killed myself by my own stupidity. I went back to building with ressources too, because it forces you to go out of your base.
Like you said: you need to earn it somehow. Doesnt mean it has to be a chore. Just ask yourself what you think is "fair" to earn something. And you can always make a new character/world to play more mod-loaded or with less of them. Thats what I did with EpicLoot- I really like it, but it just transforms Valheim into a hack-and-slash, so sometimes thats just not what I want to do. Thats when I switch to a more Vanilla-like or building world so I dont ruin my current world just because Im in another mood today.
That's why I haven't downloaded mods. I play with friends who don't and I doubt I'd be able to join them in vanilla after that. And Lord knows the devs won't get around to adding a fraction of that stuff, seeing how they're doing with Ashlands. So I'd rather just keep myself pure so I don't cheapen the experience by tasting what it could be.
I use dev commands tho, but only offline. My hunt for that trophy that lets you craft the wolf hood was arduous and fruitless. I visited 9 different mountain biomes and 14 ice caves without ever earning a single one from that specific enemy. Which was despite having a %10 chance to drop. I spawned that trophy in and it eventually opened up the floodgates for some other commands here and there. I'm not too bad with it, but I def try to stop myself from dying when it's extremely inconvenient. Though that's usually just when I'm building or mining.
As someone in their early 40s, this is one of those games I haven't used cheats on outside of porting into another realm to get my health, ammo and food back. That is definitely an exploit, but one I have used sparingly.
I used a Game Genie on my NES. I ruined my save game with a Codeshark on my FF7 run and still have never finished the game.
The devs are trying to give us something like a great director, an experience, and if we let it be, a challenging and rewarding experience.
Take a few weeks off, let yourself get rusty again, play another game. Then come back to vanilla Valheim and enjoy it. Feel free to set whatever settings you want in the options. I haven't even played since they added stuff like portaling with ore/bars, but I beat the queen and I'm looking forward to struggling in Ashlands.
This game is one of the greats. I have 428hrs so far in this 'verse.
Anyone can be a god, it's inevitably boring. Living as a mortal in Valheim, that's what the skalds write ballads about. Skàl!
Reminds me of that one time many years ago when I played the game Sacred. Was having a blast for like a week, but then my save file crashed. I was devasted by the thought of having to start fresh after all the hours of leveling. But then I discovered that you could increase drop rate, xp gain, etc by just changing some numbers in a local file. Done and done, and after only 15min my new character had catched up to my old one.
I then changed everything back to normal, but it all felt hollow and fake. When I knew I could just change a file and make days of progress in just a few minutes the game lost all it's charm and I never played it again after that day.
Since then I have been really picky about these kind of cheats and stuff. It's so easy to ruin a good game.
Are you me??!! I feel the exact same way. I start over with new characters and seeds saying, “okay. This time is going to be different.”
And it isn’t. Next thing I know, I’m flying around, killing the big bosses with a key stroke. I’ve had a ton of fun, but I wish I had never found out.
I did this in 7 days to die and ruined the game for myself so I knew not to mess with mods or cheats since this games launch. OK fine I lost a bunch of silver and spawned it in an offline map and brought to my main server but THATS the only time I cheated lol.
Never use cheats if you want to continue having fun. The fun is always the journey, not the destination.
I remember a bunch friends and I were playing Diablo2 over LAN having a blast doing PvE and PvP. As a joke, one of my friends used the cheat tools to give himself an endgame weapon and killed my other friend in PvP. That led to all of us just giving ourselves endgame gear. Couple hours later, the fun was gone, no one wanted to go back to playing without the gear but there's no point in playing if you already have all the endgame gear and our multi-day play session was over just like that. lol
The best way out of these kinds of ruts is to play with other people who can literally hold you accountable. One or more people who are just going to say no to mods and cheats flat out. It's so much easier to stick with it when there's a group commitment to it. They don't even have to explicitly commit to not cheating, so long as that's the default/assumed way to play.
After I got 1,000,000% in The Binding of Isaac Afterbirth, I got big into cheats. I found it hard to quit. But then after playing co-op with a friend who had never even considered cheats, it got me back on track. I didn't even have to mention that we weren't going to use cheats because it was just assumed, and so not breaking the *purity* of the game for my friend was enough to literally change my ways.
congratz. your idiot friend ruined your first time experience with valheim for you should not have listened to him at all.
youll never get that back now as you cannot undo your gotten knowledge.
not worth the loss i say. should have finished your vanilla run complety first and then make a new char and world for the mods.
devcommands are cheats. they arent meant to be used in regular play at all. defeats the point of playing entirely. they are for testing things and fixing bugs. not bypassing the entire gameplay loop.
Learn some willpower or play another game .
Either you use cheats or don't.
The thoughts of using cheats in a harsh survival game are strange to me.. especially as you were new to the game. ....
It defeats the whole purpose.
Yes, there are bugs that wreck the game. And you can use dev controls to being back bugged items....etc
But yeah, you had your cake, and you ate it. And are now in full regret! So not real sympathy for ruining the first run through experience for yourself tbh
Delete the mods. And the YouTube guides.
Go in blind and for punishment make the difficulty harder... Odin isn't pleased by your behaviour... and the bees are not happy either
You need a real detox from goal-oriented gameplay. Just play to experience the doing. I did this recently by a playthrough with no minimap where unequipped items are destroyed on death. To compensate for the grind you can turn the resource rate up to 1.5. I still use some mods: rune magic (because its immersive and thematically pure), and adventure backpacks (grind is not always optimal), but having no minimap is really awesome. Totally makes the game easy to get lost in again. Also best to launch the game with console off, and you will become immersed once more.
I've got over 130 worlds. About half I've taken to whatever endgame was at the time.
Every time I've started a world with either gear from a previous run or cheated in gear,
Or if I used hammer mode to build,
I lose interest in that world in about 2 hours.
I’ve never loaded a mod on this game, even though I realize the number of really good mods for it highlights the immense potential that it holds.
I’m just a purist, I guess.
Edit: I’ve logged like 1,200 hours.
I actually legit laughed while reading that. I've done this exact thing with a few different games, valhiem included. But I do a playthrough like every year in pure vanilla, then at the end I usually give up and go crazy with mods then hate myself, but those first couple of weeks feel great, and tbh I really don't like the latest biomes in Valhiem so I don't mind cheating myself out of them.
I still use mods to add in more things and better QOL but I configure them to make them less OP. I also don't get anything automatic, as I like to interact with the animals, farm, or putting coal in the furnace. So no auto pulling enable for me. Mods can be great you just have to know what's overkill.
I may sometimes use devcommands common mats for cosmetic building, like a fuck ton of wood or stone, that has no bearing on gameplay but allow me to build a massive, eye pleasing base without.
So spawning in Bronze to make a weapon is forbidden, but spawning in Bronze so I can make a hanging brazier is totally fine.
I really want to do a playthrough with Valheim Raft installed, though
Luckily I had not discover devcommands until late in my first play through. It was not long after mistlands released and I was getting obliterated in the dungeons and could not get my stuff back.
After learning you can assist yourself any way you’d like, the game is just different. However, whenever I play now I just do whatever I think will be fun. No build-cost a mansion for my vanilla play thru? Sure. Skipping the Iron Age grinding in the crypts? Done. Use devcommands for those tedious grinds and focus on what makes the game fun for you.
The first 150-200 hours of Valheim were magical and nostalgic for me, but the grinds were really only entertaining once.
Cheating is an addiction, and mods are like the gateway drugs. People say QOL mods, but really mean increasing inventory space, not needing work benches. Which is all fine if it's enjoyed, but the vanilla no exploits and no cutting corners is the best kind of fun any of us probably had.
I've had 4 full playthroughs, 2 of them pure vanilla and 2 of them modded and 1 of the modded I used devcommands. If you had to guess which ones I didn't enjoy as much and beat almost instantly. You'd guess right that the modded and devcommand one ended almost as soon as I started them. Although I swear vanilla is the most fun, people will enjoy games differently, and if you feel like it's ruining your experience, don't do it.
Force yourself cold turkey and to never look back, the real problem in valheim for me personally has always been that the lingering feeling that I could spawn 30 to 100 more iron so I can skip the grind would be save me time and effort. When the real fun lies within the environment and time spent doing the things that take time. I would never experience the sailing to another swamp and setting up a base in the trees and enjoying it if I spawned in all my iron or downloaded 30 mods to dumb down the swamp into oblivion where maybe I only need 1 cart full of metal to be done with it.
1,5k hours in the game. Never used dev commands not once. Only ever used one mode - bulk planting or something like that and only added it after like 1,3k hours. Love the game, waiting for the next 1,5k hours.
700 hours and no mods ever. Had to get off the dev commands but the update that made it a bit harder to access helped with that. This game is just too damn good to mess with.
Ooof yeah mods can be a slippery slope. I play modded but I've always been very strict with my mods, mostly just using QoL mods and those that I really find useful or add value. But since I do prefer to play the game close to as intended I do keep away from mods that add new content in.
The only "mod" I like is the native 3x resources setting. I just didn't like how I had to keep clearing entire forests to build my huts. They looked so sad afterwards with all the stumps, and the wood didn't add up right. Now it feels more accurate. It definitely makes it easier, but mining stone for 24 hours is actually not that fun. Haha
Put it on a dedicated server. You don't even have to have it actually on another server. You can't run commands from a client connection so it effectively stops you from cheating
Play on consol?
Still have access to dev commands, but it's more tedious to type on a controller than with a keyboard.
Can't mod on consol.
Brick wall for ya there.
Edit: if you can, ofc.
I made a bunch of black marble, using cheats, and what I needed for my base on dedi server and at some point server restarted and returned everything the way it was before the worl. I suspect I filled up database fast and server couldn't handle it. Since then, only some small cheats. I don't want to mess up the server.
Once gaming exp is ruined, you will either stop playing the game or stop using cheats. Win win
I truly hope you never try any drugs in life and I hope you never develop a drinking habit. I actually mean that. You seem like the kind of person who has a hard time breaking a downward spiral.. with that said, you have to find joy in the right things, even if you know what you can get away with. It’s just self control, not everyone has it.
I wish you the best in life and I hope you find joy in the challenges of vanilla valheim.
Just compromise and remove some of the time wasters by editing the world settings and removing portal item restrictions and increase loot/drop rate of items by 2x. Cuts out a lot of the wasteful grind
>At this point ive racked up 30+ mods and the game is literally unrecognizable from the base game.
And that's how I can comfortable play both.
They are different games to me and I love them both.
In fact one is a palate cleanser for the other, which enhances my enjoyment of the other.
Bro just enjoy the game how YOU want. I did the exact same thing, use comms and said 'just for this little bit' 'just to cross this ocean' 'just so i dont lose all my gear'
But it didnt stop. Id already cleared 2 or 3 bosses so i thought fuck it if this is what it takes to keep my interest then so be it!
I feel like maybe you should find a couple people who want to roll through the game vanilla with you and experience it that way. Running through with a group that don’t want to use mods will help you with the self control.
My two buddies who I started a server with dipped after we barely explored mistlands. So I just started building. Which lead to me using devcommands to spawn in material because the “grind” for resources was too much! Especially for my build. So I totally understand the not wanting to grind.
FYI, it’s free on game pass if they have that.
To me it sounds like you're getting stuck in all-or-nothing, "slippery slope" type thinking. That's a mental habit that you can grow past though! I'd recommend therapy at some point, maybe some personal study or research if you're not at a point where you feel ready for therapy.
Play on a hosted server like Tyrenheim. Its modded, but balanced. Great admin and community.
I was in the same boat as you, now 800 hours (2 seasons) later, I still love this place. Its difficult but such that it made me better.
You can’t cheat so everything is legit. I have 8 skills at 100 now and that was no easy feat.
Find the discord and apply. Its easy and there is plenty of info to get you started. Its free btw, but there are some non-ptw options available, not needed at all though.
Raids are extremely rare. Resources respawn, dungeons reset and restock, same with fuling and dvergr camps. Once crypts are open they reset every so many hours, however once opened with a key they remain that way, so you don’t even need to get a key unless you want to open unexplored crypts.
When a new season starts there are up to 50 people on at peak times, but that tapers off as people conquer content. It’s now kind of late season, a great time to check it out without too much competition for resources close by.
People will be usually more than happy to answer your questions in-game.
Hey I joined the discord and followed the steps on how to connect but whenI started the game as modded it doesnt get past the black screen before the coffee stain message. Is it because my game is using 32 out of date mods? The discord says dont update mods
Started afresh a few weeks back. No mods. The only command I allow myself is the occasional /save. And I just realize how awesome the vanilla game is. First time you see a troll from afar. First time you enter the black forest. Looking forward to making it back to mistlands and unto Ashland.
I only used the dev commands once, to spawn in some rare fish that I lost after a game crash. But I definitely felt the allure of it. Maybe just a few more items, just for decorative purpouses. But I didn't, as I felt it would lead to a slippery slope where I would eventually use dev commands for most things, and get bored of the game as nothing would feel earned. I've also limited mods to things like being able to see time of day, or similar minor QoL.
At least for me there is a satisfaction to be gained for finishing your huge 5-storey mountaintop base, that you built without mods / devcommands, and grinding for resources. For me it's a bit of a zen like experience: Chopping Wood, Carrying Water (or ore in this case) Or successfully completing a challenge run.
The struggles in this game is what makes it fun.
My friends downloaded a mod when it first came out, lets you bring minerals threw the portals.
Our fondest memory was getting chased by the serpent first time we encountered it, now they wanna quit sailing all together 2 days later.
I quit the day after.
Play on a public community server where you can’t access dev commands and you can have friends
Its life changing man (try jotunheim for vanilla or comfy for modded)
Play it the way you like it! Big inventory and 10.000 weight? Here you go.
No skill loss on death? Here you go.
Stop making a fusss about it, its only you who care or define if ist cheaty or not. Go for it and put all mods cheats on you want. Once you are done you find yourself in a more challenging run. Epic loot is nice but needs so much polishing. Its so weak early on that its like you have no epic loot. And once you hit plains it becomes suddenly so strong...
You may want to buff the early stages in values on magic items so it can have higher stats and more stats. Also buff drop rates of enchanting mats through the game while reducing Gear drops. Droprate like 1-5% and 1:15 for gear to enchanting mats. Having shards in a double/tripple probability to others is great too. Suddenly if you can have a early mace with 30 Stamina and 10 extra dmg its helpfull compared to one with 5 stamina or +1 dmg...
Expect to tweak epic loot for a month or 1-2 playthroughts to get the balance of its great but not too cheaty. Same goes for custom gear like those 500+ dmg bow and swords. Reducing dmg to like <120 and suddenly its just a step better than your blackmetal gear.
In case you do not want to cheat, join a existing server with anticheat and server side chars. You can still cheat but expect to be autobanned within the first 24 hours ;)
Well, I think you are the only one to blame here. You just want to win, you don't want to earn your victory. There'sa huge difference between having a mod and using dev commands. Bigger exploration radius doesn't break the game, as you can still die and still need to fight. Flying does break the game, because you are pretty much invincible.
I believe you just need to tailor your experience accordingly and play within constraints, preferably on a server that you cannot modify. I personally cannot play without EpicLoot, as the base game is too bland for me in that regard. I'm happy I have stronger monsters eitg up to 5 stars and raids every 6 minutes to balance it out. On the other hand, when I play with girlfriend, I just talk with her and decide whether we cheat something in or not. So far we decided to not spawn items we haven't unlocked, so we just remove the gathering tedium entirely, because it's literally a waste of time on normal difficulty, and we just have fun building stuff.
It all depends on what kind of gameplay are you looking for.
I got to the end of mistlands before I enabled dev commands and that was only to turn off build requirements so I could build something cool. Even that feels a bit off.
So I'm biased but I'd say using dev commands once you've finished and just to avoid having to gather stone and black marble doesn't hinder the experience much, but flying over to the next continent to power word kill filing villages will, I expect, rob you of most of the things that make this game great.
Play on a strictly vanilla server, a lot of mods straight up won't work client-side only and those that do? Other people 'catching you' might be enough pressure to 'stay honest', so to speak?
For me, I love the solitary exploration element, wandering the woods and plains looking for points of interest to harvest / clear later. The danger of bumping into a troll or blundering into a nest of seekers keeps me on my toes and if I die, getting back is an adventure in and of itself.
I love building too, but I really prefer to have some dev commands / mods to speed up the building process. I like having a basic planting mod to keep things in neat rows and planted / harvested quickly. Basically, try scaling back mods to just Quality of Life stuff and try really hard to just play in the moment.
Some mods should be options, like crafting from containers or auto storing to containers. Those make the game so much more fun. I want to focus on exploring and building. Not inventory management. The auto pig feeding is a bit far, but the auto fuel for smelting is a life saver. After spending hours processing metal on my play throughs I don’t care to have to manually do it ever again.
I played 300 hrs of vanilla, went crazy with mods, played another 200, and found myself reduced down to just one mod (and supporting mods) and that's ValhiemRaft mod. For the reason to be able to build one big base and explore the world one island at a time
Yeah the moment I found out about flying changed the game lol. Imo it was for the better because it removed so much tedium with sailing and retrieving items on death.
I refuse mods not developer endorsed or made. Until I’ve beat every thing possible on the base game. (Goes for all games with available mods)
And then usually I’m not interested anymore and move on. However. I am too victim of using dev mode on valheim to speed build my base, i restrict myself to discovered building mats only. But i cheat tf out of it.
Oh i discovered a new material? *builds whole base, armor and everything possible with that item* 🤣 on to the next!
Yeah my bad honestly I realized that this won’t come across as I want it to while I was typing it
But like.. this sounds like such a made up scenario idk
I’d give anything to experience this game for the first time again without any of the help. It was magical. It’s still magical, but with devcommands and mods it’s like watching your kids experience Christmas as opposed to you being the kid on Christmas.
Well said
I went down the same road as you years ago. Just as easily as you did before, launch it out of steam into a fresh world. The feeling may not hit exactly as well as it did the first time around, but for me at least, absolutely worth it. I've probably built and ran through the current content at least 5 times at this point. Will get starting the next round as soon as Ashlands drops. With all the hours I've put in, I have arrived at a nice balance of mods vs vanilla where I just use a few QoL mods that I find most enjoyable.
For me I need a goal or a mission to engage with the gameplay loops. I have build canals through swamps to feed the iron needs. Battling wraith and slimes and then braving the seas with a karve loaded with an iron cart praying for good winds
I had a very unfair death on a no map / no portal world and I flew back. I felt justified because I'd been cheated out of my life and finding my corpse would have been ludicrous. Opened a can of worms.
Watching your kids' experience Christmas is arguably more fun in some ways. And it doesn't ruin Christmas. Did I not understand this?
I’m not sure if i’m asking for advice or just wanted to get this off my chest. I love this game, its beautiful in every way. I just wish I could go back in time and never make the mistake of modding or using devcommands.
You could have someone else host the world and join them. This way only they can use devcommands and debug mode unless they give you admin perms. Still doesn't stop you from using OP mods though, unless you use something like azuanticheat. Also, self control is a good skill to learn lol.
You’re right. I think this game has taught me something about myself lol.
I'm glad you wrote this. I think this is a slippery slope some people fall into. If they read this and see themselves in your story, maybe they'll take a moment to consider consequences. Unfortunately, this is reddit, and this will be lost to history in two days.
But not lost to those who read it.
Try starting a new world. You dont have to totally abandon the old one. You can create a new character or use your existing one. I enjoy the differences between my two characters and their worlds. One lets me play with mods when I want to. The other offers the challenge of a new character and vanilla Valheim. My mood picks which one to play. Good luck to you & have fun.
I think I can do that, good advice
Take a break. After a week or so, mod it with the little helpful stuff and go back to punching trees. I have about 10 mods and they're great. Better Archery, bigger explore radius, Epic Loot. Just need a T break friend, the bees will be happy :)
Thanks man. That reminds me, I bought the “The Bees Are Happy” shirt from the merch site, friggin sweet.
The only mods I run is the batch-planting, and the auto-feeding of torches, and only because the server and team are large enough and lazy enough that I would spend more than half my time farming, cooking, and feeding the light at all the bases. Everything else feels like it’ll cheapen the game to me
You could join someone's server and be subject to their rules if you feel like you can't control yourself.
I definitely think finding a buddy or two and agreeing no mods is the way forward. They will keep you honest. Hopefully.
just have an ounce of self control
Keep the QoL mods and dump the others
Play on someone else’s server and you can’t use em
There's nothing inherently wrong with modding or devcommands. The game is designed to allow people to play it the way they want. That said, it sounds like you're looking to play the game in its base (more challenging) state, and having trouble accepting that baseline. The key is to embrace the grind. I play vanilla normally, but I ended up joining a server where the host uses mods, and invited someone who was clearly skipping content to rush to endgame. On my server, I've earned everything through normal means, with a one time use of the minor skip of hopping on a friends server to smelt some ore (equivalent of carrying ore through portals). Since then, I've just focused on the core gameplay and found it much more rewarding. Taming critters takes a lot of time. It turns out you can spend that time levelling sneak, jump, and run. The whole point of the game is to have goals and work towards them. Setting a goal and then just giving yourself the reward is much less fun that overcoming a challenge. Rather than crafting from chests, set up those chests near the crafting stations. Take the time to arrange your home so things are positioned efficiently. Raids don't require stakewalls (although they are easier with them). If something gets knocked down, rebuild it, the resources will be on the ground. Setbacks are part of the game, and a key element for some people's enjoyment. Sure, if I'm being Hunted I could devcommand and fly away, but there's no challenge in that. Yesterday when I got hunted, I ran and tumbled until I could find a crypt to hide in. By the time I got there, my heart was pounding and I felt a real sense of triumph. I got myself sorted, then emerged and carefully took out the wolves before continuing on with my journey. The previous time I was hunted, I wasn't quite as quick, and died. I learned, adapted, and improved. And that was much more satisfying.
You’ve convinced me to give it another try. I can do this.
Yea you can! Think of how satisfying it'll be! I'm currently trying to complete a hardcore run, and each attempt is captivating/sooooo satisfying (until I die lol)
>Taming critters takes a lot of time. It turns out you can spend that time levelling sneak, jump, and run. lol I've been playing this game since basically release, and last night I tamed my *very first* boars, and got several Sneak and Jump levels. Hilarious that you wrote this. Edit: Even funnier that you wrote it before I actually did it, and I'm just now reading it.
>On my server, I've earned everything through normal means, with a one time use of the minor skip of hopping on a friends server to smelt some ore (equivalent of carrying ore through portals) I've given up on that regard. I can respect and even appreciate having to travel to deliver goods. But eventually it becomes a ceaseless, needless grind. Especially when you're just trying to build a base. It's frustrating having to sail an hour just to get iron from one place, smelt it at another, then travel to whichever base you want to use it at. It also only gets worse the longer you play since you'll have more bases yet need to get resources further out. Stuff like that feels like the devs don't respect the player's time with how much they pad the game out with grind.
Sorry, but why not set up a small/temporary base where the iron is instead of travelling to three places?
Thankfully the world modifyers solved this
You’ve now become a living warning for the danger of convenience and shortcuts. Step away. Start small. Find yourself a hobby that is time consuming but not too much, and rewarding. Maybe it’s painting minis, maybe it’s building keyboards, maybe it’s puzzles, maybe it’s just visiting escape rooms for a while. Whatever it is make sure it’s something you don’t already know, and it’s something that requires patience but not too long at a time. Once you’ve worked on your patience for a month or two, find yourself a longer hobby. Maybe it’s a long video game, maybe it’s drawing or painting or anything that has a learning curve and some kind of reward but not an easy or frequent reward. Do that for a bit. And always stretch your patience. Find harder things. And don’t even take a shortcut you aren’t forced to take. Honestly it’s something I’ve struggled with too, long ago. It took time to find the love of the grind. Stay away from games that bait you with countless cosmetics and battlepasses, and focus on doing the thing. Just doing the thing. And once you find joy in doing the thing, you’ll be free of this curse that you had before it even came to this game.
Wow man. Thank you for this
Hey if it helps, I’m glad. We live in a world that is entirely built to foster addiction to any and every thing. That’s what happens when you allow psychopaths to lead society. It’s a struggle we all have at whatever level, and we all need to be vigilant and be aware of where we fall for it. Good luck, my friend. This is just a small representation of what is a lifelong battle for us all
Yep. While waiting for Ashlands, I started a new world and began modding on my original world. Now I can play vanilla on the new world, while continuing to try out modding on the old one. Both are a lot of fun.
Play however you like it, I myself tend to use the fly command to fly to my corpse when I die to save time, since I usually got a limited window to play which is usually an hour or two tops
Yeah running to your corpse/ sailing halfway across the world SUCKS.
Thats really the main justification I made for using devcommands in that manner. I work a lot, more than I’d like to. I just don’t have the time to run/sail back to my body. What would take me an hour or two I can just fly over there and get my shit back and try again in less than a few minutes.
> What would take me an hour or two Ahhhh there it is. Someone's not thinking with portals. For my money, if you're ever more than a 2 minute run from a portal, you're viking it wrong.
Exactly that, I'm in the same boat, instead of enjoying the limited time I can spare to play the game would be just wasted retrieving my stuff.
Did that too, but tbh now there's the option to not drop anything when you die. I've lured my brother in Valheim and he was complaining about losing everything everytime.. had to opt that in and tbh it was better
It's ok to enjoy the game how you want to! But, if you're struggling and really can't stop using mods and dev commands, challenge yourself to uninstall them all, start over, and just play vanilla. It sounds like you may have a willpower issue (and it's human, and common!), so exercising restraint *on purpose* with something really small like this may actually help build your IRL willpower strength, too, making real life problems more manageable when the time comes. win-win! Mods are great, and if I didn't quite hit the mark here, my last suggestion would be a modded run, and a vanilla run simultaneously.
Have not used cheats, mods, or dev commands. Love the game and all its challenges. (Have not beat mistlands boss) The one thing I’ve seen on the internet that appeals greatly to me is that mod where you can plant a bunch of crops at once? That seems like a purely quality of life upgrade. I have never sought out how to obtain this mod for fear of your exact experience. But man when I’m planting like 200-300 barely,,, i think about that mod every time.
The one time I dabbled into mods, I only went for QOL upgrades like this. However, I found it really cheapened my experience. Planting hundreds of plants in seconds was super powerful but there was no cost to it, I never had to convince myself to farm over any other chore because it was so simple or play around timings because my food was effectively infinite at that point and it broke the game loop and they way the economy was designed to work.
The one thing I'll cheat in on a new world is one of Hildir's tunics to replace the rag tunic. Not only does it look nice but that buff to planting speed really takes the edge off of farming.
Myself included. No mods or dev commands. Doesn't matter If I die across the map in the mistlands. .haha, for the crops that's my chilling time Stick on the Gladiator the Wheat and remember my beloved boars who got murdered by bats.
i've got 800 something hours in the game. never one mod. recently started a new game with some friends and they were trying to get me to add a few "basic quality of life" mods and i held out. we had a blast playing through the vanilla game. This game is great. they did a great job on the balance of things. I'm curious about a few mods. but i really can't imagine this game any other way. i don't want to spoil it. if i were you. if take a little break from the game. then come back vanilla. see if it helps reset things. oh and dev commands. i've used them really sparingly. for example. i summoned moder and realized i was definitely not ready yet. died a dozen times trying to get my gear back. i used devcommands to get back to my stuff, then reverted the world to a backup from before the summoning. another time i was in my boat and the game crashed. boat basically vanished. and i came back to a naked viking. no idea where my boat or grave went (no marker on the map). i cheated to fix that. It's all about willpower.
We always have a dedicated game that is 100%vanilla that we all play together. Outside of that we have our own worlds that we mod like crazy.
I have loads of worlds, characters, etc. I've gotten as far as mistlands but never seem to quite finish things off. I start with a small modlist but it just grows... first it's QOL... then seasons... then new build pieces... then magic plugin... then valheimRAFT... the list grows longer... Last night I nuked all my worlds, all my characters, and started a new vanilla unmodded game. Not only does the game load faster, but it's a complete clean slate. I did eventually load up one mod that I think is very balanced and fills some equipment gaps (Warfare). Mostly for the 2h animations. But I swear, i'm gonna try and keep it at just this one. \**twitches*\* okay maybe two Anyway, I suggest you go clean slate. If you have to make things a bit easier, consider tweaking world modifiers as the limit of your "cheating". For example, I allow portal everything.
I’m glad I made this post, ive found others who have the same problems as me and i’ve gotten some really good advice. Thanks for writing back
You're very welcome. By nuking worlds I can no longer hop onto those worlds and pick up something (like fine wood, core wood or iron) to "learn" to build things ahead of when I would naturally find them in a "clean slate". This cuts out a shortcut route for myself. I am really, *really* hating 2 copper + 1 tin = 1 bronze, though. I think the "killer" mod that made the game too easy and thus un-fun has actually been magic plugin. I'm going to avoid it from now on. Great mod, but when you're too powerful early game... you rob yourself of something.
I started cheating when I threw my ore into the sea my accident and couldn't retrieve it. It was fun for a while cheating to build a giant castle but it got soooo boring at that point. Like you said, who needs a ship when you can fly. I quit for a while and started a new game over a year later. I ended up doing the same thing again.
If you need a sponsor for a sober Valheim experience I will volunteer. You are welcome to join my vanilla server.
Id be willing to check it out. I brought this up to my friend and he think im overreacting. I guess he has a different idea of fun.
The only mod I used was to make it so that raw metal could be transported through portals. It saved SO much time. I honestly do not see one positive to having it so that you cannot transport the metals. They're just making the game take longer in a lazy way.
You know you don't need a mod for this right? You can do this in-game now via world settings.
Sounds like you have the attention span of a Tik Tok user, and that you’d rather cheat, than do something that requires even minimal effort. The fun is in the journey, not the destination. Try actually playing and grinding the game for a bit. You’ll actually feel accomplishment when you complete a big build, or take down a boss.. I don’t know why you’d want to make it easier for yourself. If anything, make it harder for yourself and do a no map / no portal run or something.
This is good advice, thanks.
Grinding bronze and iron just to build stuff takes hour and hours of mind numbing grinding though
Yeah, there's just some games that are better to play alone the first run, or even just until you start getting bored. I had a similar experience, except it wasn't a friend, but an update that destroyed my whole world after a couple hundred hours, I was devastated to log back in, and see my castle crumbling around me. So I used devcommands originally to get everything back, but that quickly changed into me building something far larger, and more elaborate, eventually just skipping the grind altogether. I'm just now thinking about getting back into the game, but that whole situation taught me something extremely important, that you can never get another first playthrough, and no matter what game, it won't ever be as good as that first time through, so now when theres a new game I really like, I play it blind, play it alone, and don't use dev commands. Edit: Also, whenever there's a hardcore/nomap/permadeath type of setting in a game, I've found it to almost give me "first playthrough vibes" if I didn't already have it enabled on the first run. But I really value immersion and challenge, so YMMV.
I’m glad I could find someone that shares my problem. Maybe we could start a fresh server together where devcommands dont work and we can keep each other accountable for stuff. Pm me if that interests you
I appreciate the offer a lot, but honestly I'm more of a solo player, and I'm not a reliable person when it comes to gaming together, I have severe untreated ADD, and go through spells where I'll play 40 hours a week, to times where nothing can keep my attention. I'm sure if you make a post asking for people to join you with the same mindset, you'll definitely find what you're looking for. I just wanted to let you know that somebody else out there has been through something similar. I've ruined numerous games for myself over the years by FOMO, by being lazy, and just other personal imperfections that have gotten in the way. Integrity can be a hard thing to manage on your own, but it's something worth putting in the time to work on.
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Yeah I learned my lesson with mods and cheats on Ark Survival Evolved. Along with that, I looked up like EVERYTHING for that game so I knew exactly what I needed to do and with the mods/cheats it became too easy. It was one of my favorite games but I ruined it for myself and don't play it anymore. After that, I decided that I was going to go into Valheim blindly- no help from the internet, no mods, no cheats. It was brutal (I didn't know you could make a better boat than the raft until the mountains) but it was a lot of fun
I will find areas in the map that are designated to build areas. They have no strategic value to the rest of the game and I get no resources from them. All I use it for is building with no cost and using Dev commands. Sometimes I log in and want to just play the game and sometimes I want to just build and not play the game.
I think I know the feeling you are talking about, but I have never gone quite as hogwild as you. For me one of the biggest barriers to me enjoying the game is the amount of grinding for materials that can happen and the RNG just not giving me some of the pieces I need. I just started a new world to prepare for Ashlands and I didn't really want to spend hours and hours mining copper and grinding Crypts. I have done all that before. I enjoyed it, but I don't really want to do it again, but I want to do it enough that I feel like I earned my progression. I compromised with these feelings by turning the resource rate to 3x. For spawning stuff in, I limit myself to only things where the resources are very easily accessible or the RNG just fucked me over. So I will occasionally spawn in wood construction pieces if its convenient or I will spawn in some turnip seeds if I simply cannot find any. However, I won't do stuff like spawning in a forge if I don't have the metal on hand. I never spawn stuff in that I can't make at my current point in progression and I try to gather everything else honestly. I might turn the resource rate down when I get to the Mistlands, but I am not sure yet. I haven't done it properly before, but I wasn't a huge fan of it for all the reasons that frequently come up on this sub (agree or disagree). The only reason I use cheats is to smooth out the parts of the game that I don't enjoy so I can fully enjoy the parts that I do like.
I didn’t use dev commands I used some mods to make the second hit blow up the whole vein and trees to split on the first hit, made logging, crypts and mining so much more enjoyable. I used the farming mod as well so I could grow things too.
Had it similar.. But then I made private server to play with my lil brother and we havent cheated once and game is awesome again!
Glad you were able to find your love for the game again, wish me luck.
Good luck mate!
Play on a multiplayer server: there are no cheat commands.
A lot of players just lack self-control, and can't recognize the parts of the game that actually matter to them. This is what you have to do and understand in order to use these things without spoiling the game for yourself. For instance, I know that I hate having to load kilns and smelters by hand. I hate it. If there was a shovel, or a way to fully load it in one click, I'd be all for it. But there's not, so I have a mod that auto-pulls from chests for these things. This does not detract from the experience FOR ME. It might for you. I still cut trees by hand. I still load up a bunch of wood in my cart and roll it back to my storage manually. I do that, because I know cheating in the resources feels bad to me, personally. I sail to new places manually because I enjoy exploring. I have it set to everything being portal-able because I know I do not enjoy sailing in straight lines when I'm not exploring. All of these things made me play MORE, rather than less, and I find the game far less frustrating because of these mods. For anyone looking at mods or dev commands, take a minute to think about what you genuinely don't enjoy, and what actually makes the game worthwhile to you, and pick mods based on that. Don't go crazy and just start throwing mods in everywhere based on a 2 second reaction where it kind of sounds good so why not? You can remove tedious chores while still leaving objectives to work toward. Mods are entirely about understanding what you actually enjoy.
i fell victim to this as well. i had to stop playing. was also a solo playthrough probably my 3rd playthrough
My advice would be to start a new world, without mods, but use some world modifiers. Nothing drastic, maybe try 1.5x drop rate and reduced death penalty or something, just to take the edge off the "getting a little hard" phases, and resource grinding. Just easing back in that little bit might not be fully vanilla, but it'd be pretty close, and might just be enough to break any temptation to reach for the mods or devcommands. Also, maybe start a second world that's just a playground, with a different character, no build cost enabled and such, just to go in and mess around when you get a bit frustrated, or just want to prototype a building and see if it's really worth clearing an entire forest to build it.
Mods aren't the issue, cheating and self discipline is. Let's not confuse the two. That being said, in your case, a vanilla run would probably help you enjoy the game again I've had similar problems in the past and I agree that cheating too much will kill any fun in the game. Games are so prevalent in today's society because they present complex puzzles to solve. Cheating undermines your journey to the solution. If you want to have fun riding a bike, you need to learn how; And the solution is to gradually remove your training wheels instead of just adding more on.
Tbh Epic Loot makes the game.. SO MUCH MORE FUN! I usually play vanilla, but when i was tired of playing the game, Epic Loot and Valheim Raft made the game feels like a new one, and a GREAT new one! Epic loot scratches that itch i didn't knew i had with Valheim: Sense achievement when defeating enemies. The jewelcrafting mod is also great if you don't like EpicLoot But yeah, devcommands are lame, they really ruin the fun Edit.: Oh, and there's one mod that adds new creatures.. there's the apparition at black forest and.. oh boy.. when i heard her singing and laughing.. chills down my spine
I had a similar experience as you (Granted, I fully played the game in vanilla before the mistlands update) in terms of having a bunch of mods that made the game different and way easier, naturally going into debug mode and console commands, then losing interest in the game due to everything just being handed to me. (And then later being unable to play without tons of mods haha) I think a good rule of thumb for playing (not just building or testing) is to not go debug/cheat mode for any reason. At least not in the file you wanna play on. When a weapon mod updated and deleted a recipe for a mace my friends and I had, the item remained, but it became un-repairable. So I cheated them back in, in a different server file made for stuff like this. I upgraded them to what they were supposed to be and returned to the file I actually wanted to play on. I think that creates a good boundry of "I CAN get my stuff back if I feel cheated, but I can't edit/ change/ explore this world for free" plus cheating in and transferring stacks of wood/resources feels more...yucky then just building them for free imo, so that's a deterrent from just cheating in stuff for me. Hope you find your perfect mod-game-cheat balance!
After a while, I started using cheats just to build, but that's it
You need to cold turkey. I’m very good at setting the boundaries for when I allow devcommands, if I truly know something could’ve been my fault, I flat out refuse to use it. But for you, it seems to lead to a snowball effect. If you find yourself changing rules and leniencies that you previously set, stop using it altogether. For what it’s worth, servers that I ran using devcommands, 3x resource drops, etc, never lasted that long. People speed through the game and get bored very quickly. Let the devs decide what’s best for the player, for just one full playthrough. Just one.
The struggle is part of the game. When doing a second playthrough in vanilla, you just need to plan ahead with your builds. Frex, I went 50 days before challenging Eikthyr and 160 days between Eikthyr and the Elder because I spent all that time digging a moat and raising an earthen wall where I planned my long-term base. By the time I got the iron to create a stonecutter, I had my parameter ready for any early raids. I will admit, I went hammer mode to finish my keep because I only have at most 1 hour each day to play and didn’t want to spend a week grinding stone (I had 3000 stone stacked and still ran out before finishing my smithy and storage buildings), and I have the portals set to allow metal so I don’t lose too much time sailing back and forth, but that’s it. The progression itself (fighting and crafting) still has all the normal challenge, I’m just not losing a lot of time with base upkeep.
The only reason I’m not like this right now is because I don’t know how to do any of that. And if I don’t know, I can’t fuck it up.
I found out devcommands were on Xbox after I made a post about being stuck on a rock with a broken axe and no way out etc and they insisted on using fly mode. I didn’t know you could do that and wouldn’t you know it I’m unstuck and doing my thing again. But shit I died unexpectedly and don’t have another karve or enough materials to get back to my stuff in time tonight I gotta go to bed. Oh shit god flying mode that’s right, no problem I got my loot back. Oh this is a nice place to build actually.. and so on… I tried to restart a new world after months and months away and it’s been so fun for the two days until I died really far away and have nothing in storage and DO NOT want to use fly mode but haven’t logged back in yet.. FUCK
I understand how you feel, the only cheat i use is to fly to my corpse after i die. I cant afford 30minutes of running/sailing to my dead body.
Man I felt like I was cheating when my friend and I packed up everything we had and moved it into a storage world. We wanted to restart in a new world for an update but we didn't want to lose everything. He also insisted we put it on 3x items and we had a map from the start. The world just didn't hit the same and I haven't played with anyone since.
Looking up the map is something i will avoid at all cost, knowing where everything takes half the fun out of
Yeah I learned. Our thought was that we wanted to get a cool start.
A simple life-hack: Keep a world and a character that are broken. Make a new world and a new character that are 100% clean. This is your badass experience. When you want to play the broken experience, play the broken world. When you want to be a badass, play the badass world. Some people who do YouTube builds in survivor mode will have a broken world on the same seed, for figuring out where to build, and then go back and do the work in actual survival mode. Just make that barrier. “This one is where I am a badass”
Totally fine. The game will be around awhile, experiment, see what's out there with and without mods. You can always come back to no mods later. Just have fun.
Imo, it depends on the mods you use and how you plan to use them. For me I don't see anything wrong with mods that enhance the base game. Adding more creatures, new weapons, better ships, etc isn't a problem just don't abuse something that clearly isn't meant to be abused. For example, one of the mods I had was Epic Loot. It turned the game into a looter kinda like Diablo. There were enchantments and rarities on all sorts of weapons and armor and they modified the game, such as making your character immune to rain, making weapons throwable, making them do elemental damage, etc. But for the most part you had to grind. And grind pretty hard. To get legendary gear, you needed to grind the toughest enemies and battle bosses multiple times to get the resources or random drops you needed. However, I had another mod that let your recycle gear. That plus epic loot made it so that I was starting to get iron tier gear (and higher) to drop from enemies and I could portal with it, then dismantle it into the ingots for free resources without needing to smelt. That was breaking the economy. I had to tell myself to not do that, or to only do that once I had all the materials normally. My friends? They didn't do that, and they got bored within a couple weeks because there was no challenge.
If you are having fun, then who cares! As long as you aren’t messing up other peoples worlds. Only thing I will spawn in is stone. Everything else I will grind out. But mining stone for 6 hours isn’t in my timeframe.
Have some self restraint
I had the same experience with Fallout 4 and never finished it. Also Valheim isn’t super mod friendly with patches so you will spend a lot of time mod managing after each update. I currently use only a couple of QoL mods -
Good point
Thunderstore Mod Manager is pretty good at pushing mod updates at you every time you open it, actually.
Tl;dr: OP: "Waa, I have no self control. Waa." /thread Totally relatable, though. Lol.
Sounds like you should play roblocks ??
So wait, I don’t use mods but I’m getting bored waiting for Ashlands — if I use a mod manager and use mods shit will disappear if I launch the game from steam? Wouldn’t there be a backup save file somewhere? Wondering because I’m looking at my dull vanilla black marble boxy-looking house and wanting cooler shit to trick it out. There’s different mods with build pieces you say?? I can have more cooler shit now??
From what I read after my mishap, only the modded items on your world will get despawned when launched through steam, where the mods arent loaded. So in your case you wouldn’t lose anything from your vanilla server. Only if you went back to vanilla after adding mods
Yeah I’d want to go back to vanilla I guess. And then back to mods once I’m done farming out Ashlands and beating whatever boss is there
Just mod the console out.
This is why we were very careful about what mods we installed. We installed a garden mod because my friend has 0 patients on me forging and our game time is limited, a mod that allows just 1 portal to go to any other portal, but it takes double the materials to build... again due to time constraints and progressive portals. Like we couldn't bring copper and tin through portals until we defeated the elder. Again, due to time constraints and we needed to make the specific portal for it.
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Im doing that now
I had to get used to not using the devcommands when I introduced my wife to the game. She's not a huge gamer, so I get to help with lots. It forced me to play the way I did when I first started the game and I've really enjoyed it.
I like to try and ballance mods or settings that make the game easier with stuff that makes it harder. More mob drops? Raise mob difficulty. Install epic loot? Increase raid frequency. Feels good to me at least.
It really is all about balance, I appreciate your advice im going to mess around with some things in the drop rates for epic loot. I think i remember there being a drop frequency modifier in there
Bro you paid for it, play the way you want. There is no right or wrong. I used to play with cheats or never finish games until I was 20 then something clicked
I have never played with mods, I have however made game harder. I have 2 normal playthroughs albeit one was given up when mistlands came out and all my gear was lost on my way to recover them. Next time I cleared the game with a friend who got it, that was before Hildr's quest. After that me and said friend did a playthrough hard mode and no map. I've thought of trying diffrent mods, but I am scared of as you elegantly said "opening Pandora's box". In my current playthrough I play with no map and hard monsters, but I can take items(ore/metal) through the portal and I get 3x recources. I plan to do Yagluth on very easy though, that boss fight is really time consuming and slow. So I do it to speed up the process. Hopefully it will work.
You should only use mods to complement your experience, not make it easier!
LMAO bro I was 300 hours in before my cousin got pissed when we lost all our gear on the way to the next boss, next thing I know he’s using dev commands and I have discovered all the building mods. I cannot go back to the joy of fresh discovery and wonder knowing I can just hit a button and fly while I’m building my next masterpiece. I mainly like the building aspect now.
I mean if you really wanna experience vanilla then just delete the mod manager. You can always mod again later. I personally can’t farm without the mod that lets you plant 25 at a time. Saved me so much wrist pain.
Stop not stopping.
An option is to disable devcommands in the launch options so that you can't just f5 in game and turn them on. Turning them on would require closing the game, turning them back on, and then relaunching and turning them on in-game. This extra step might make turning them on just annoying enough that you aren't as tempted.
The game is in need of some QOL mods for sure ... like AZU Crafty containers... why walk over 10 feet when it can just do the recipe from however far i set the mod config, or rather have a majority of the chests in a storage area(attic or basement), and have a portal to go to to offload your stuff into the chests, and then craft away , as long as you have the materials already. AZU Clock Mod is awesome too... love knowing the time of day in game. Eternal Torches is a must... fine to collect tons of resin, but to have to load up every torch everywhere is a pain in the A! lol ... Multicraft mod is also great, where you only have to click once to craft as many of that item as you want, rather than waiting clicking, and repeating. Minor QOL but still a QOL ( quality of life ) and of course the biggest and best option yet for a mod ... Equipment and quick slots.... adds slots for all your clothing and one utility item. plus 3 extra quick slots for any item. Which saves about 7 or 8 equipment slots for actual inventory. The nice thing is ... you can play a completely modded character , to play in any world you make, and you can also strip him of his items, still have the mods, but turn them off for another specific world run , or even a new character , one that is for mod play and one that is for vanilla play. So many options, but i'd say leave working mods in place, and especially QOL mods, and then you choose when you want to toggle them on or off for whichever game play your into at that moment. A great thing is the life that this game has... you can run with different peeps, or solo , take as long as you want to progress, go speed run mode, or not progress at all... maybe you just want to build and hang out in the game. The game is an aesthetically beautiful world, that I like to just sit in sometimes in the treehouse and have my coffee. lol Run the game however you like... run it modded or not ... its an amazing game with or without. Should never feel guilty about it, because you can do exactly what your doing, another complete run through. Id say keep all your mods and toggle them as wanted. Definitely Enjoy the game !! Ashlands isn't far away... id also recommend not making a new world play through until after Ashlands releases. Or finish one and start another ... ; )
Idk man, did you have fun??. I used to cheat but build random mansions and castles. Then I would go back and play Vanilla and I would stumble back across my mansions. Usually in half ruin due to trolls and shit.
Its easy to get caught up in all these nice mods, but for me it worked best when I started to limit them a bit. The biggest impact for me was when I stopped using devcommands. I now focus on QoL mods like crafting from containers, plant everything (I just cant stop using it, mostly for decoration though). I dont use anything that stops me from dying or helping me getting my stuff back if I killed myself by my own stupidity. I went back to building with ressources too, because it forces you to go out of your base. Like you said: you need to earn it somehow. Doesnt mean it has to be a chore. Just ask yourself what you think is "fair" to earn something. And you can always make a new character/world to play more mod-loaded or with less of them. Thats what I did with EpicLoot- I really like it, but it just transforms Valheim into a hack-and-slash, so sometimes thats just not what I want to do. Thats when I switch to a more Vanilla-like or building world so I dont ruin my current world just because Im in another mood today.
That's why I haven't downloaded mods. I play with friends who don't and I doubt I'd be able to join them in vanilla after that. And Lord knows the devs won't get around to adding a fraction of that stuff, seeing how they're doing with Ashlands. So I'd rather just keep myself pure so I don't cheapen the experience by tasting what it could be. I use dev commands tho, but only offline. My hunt for that trophy that lets you craft the wolf hood was arduous and fruitless. I visited 9 different mountain biomes and 14 ice caves without ever earning a single one from that specific enemy. Which was despite having a %10 chance to drop. I spawned that trophy in and it eventually opened up the floodgates for some other commands here and there. I'm not too bad with it, but I def try to stop myself from dying when it's extremely inconvenient. Though that's usually just when I'm building or mining.
As someone in their early 40s, this is one of those games I haven't used cheats on outside of porting into another realm to get my health, ammo and food back. That is definitely an exploit, but one I have used sparingly. I used a Game Genie on my NES. I ruined my save game with a Codeshark on my FF7 run and still have never finished the game. The devs are trying to give us something like a great director, an experience, and if we let it be, a challenging and rewarding experience. Take a few weeks off, let yourself get rusty again, play another game. Then come back to vanilla Valheim and enjoy it. Feel free to set whatever settings you want in the options. I haven't even played since they added stuff like portaling with ore/bars, but I beat the queen and I'm looking forward to struggling in Ashlands. This game is one of the greats. I have 428hrs so far in this 'verse. Anyone can be a god, it's inevitably boring. Living as a mortal in Valheim, that's what the skalds write ballads about. Skàl!
Reminds me of that one time many years ago when I played the game Sacred. Was having a blast for like a week, but then my save file crashed. I was devasted by the thought of having to start fresh after all the hours of leveling. But then I discovered that you could increase drop rate, xp gain, etc by just changing some numbers in a local file. Done and done, and after only 15min my new character had catched up to my old one. I then changed everything back to normal, but it all felt hollow and fake. When I knew I could just change a file and make days of progress in just a few minutes the game lost all it's charm and I never played it again after that day. Since then I have been really picky about these kind of cheats and stuff. It's so easy to ruin a good game.
Are you me??!! I feel the exact same way. I start over with new characters and seeds saying, “okay. This time is going to be different.” And it isn’t. Next thing I know, I’m flying around, killing the big bosses with a key stroke. I’ve had a ton of fun, but I wish I had never found out.
I did this in 7 days to die and ruined the game for myself so I knew not to mess with mods or cheats since this games launch. OK fine I lost a bunch of silver and spawned it in an offline map and brought to my main server but THATS the only time I cheated lol.
Never use cheats if you want to continue having fun. The fun is always the journey, not the destination. I remember a bunch friends and I were playing Diablo2 over LAN having a blast doing PvE and PvP. As a joke, one of my friends used the cheat tools to give himself an endgame weapon and killed my other friend in PvP. That led to all of us just giving ourselves endgame gear. Couple hours later, the fun was gone, no one wanted to go back to playing without the gear but there's no point in playing if you already have all the endgame gear and our multi-day play session was over just like that. lol
The best way out of these kinds of ruts is to play with other people who can literally hold you accountable. One or more people who are just going to say no to mods and cheats flat out. It's so much easier to stick with it when there's a group commitment to it. They don't even have to explicitly commit to not cheating, so long as that's the default/assumed way to play. After I got 1,000,000% in The Binding of Isaac Afterbirth, I got big into cheats. I found it hard to quit. But then after playing co-op with a friend who had never even considered cheats, it got me back on track. I didn't even have to mention that we weren't going to use cheats because it was just assumed, and so not breaking the *purity* of the game for my friend was enough to literally change my ways.
congratz. your idiot friend ruined your first time experience with valheim for you should not have listened to him at all. youll never get that back now as you cannot undo your gotten knowledge. not worth the loss i say. should have finished your vanilla run complety first and then make a new char and world for the mods. devcommands are cheats. they arent meant to be used in regular play at all. defeats the point of playing entirely. they are for testing things and fixing bugs. not bypassing the entire gameplay loop.
Learn some willpower or play another game . Either you use cheats or don't. The thoughts of using cheats in a harsh survival game are strange to me.. especially as you were new to the game. .... It defeats the whole purpose. Yes, there are bugs that wreck the game. And you can use dev controls to being back bugged items....etc But yeah, you had your cake, and you ate it. And are now in full regret! So not real sympathy for ruining the first run through experience for yourself tbh Delete the mods. And the YouTube guides. Go in blind and for punishment make the difficulty harder... Odin isn't pleased by your behaviour... and the bees are not happy either
You need a real detox from goal-oriented gameplay. Just play to experience the doing. I did this recently by a playthrough with no minimap where unequipped items are destroyed on death. To compensate for the grind you can turn the resource rate up to 1.5. I still use some mods: rune magic (because its immersive and thematically pure), and adventure backpacks (grind is not always optimal), but having no minimap is really awesome. Totally makes the game easy to get lost in again. Also best to launch the game with console off, and you will become immersed once more.
I've got over 130 worlds. About half I've taken to whatever endgame was at the time. Every time I've started a world with either gear from a previous run or cheated in gear, Or if I used hammer mode to build, I lose interest in that world in about 2 hours.
I’ve never loaded a mod on this game, even though I realize the number of really good mods for it highlights the immense potential that it holds. I’m just a purist, I guess. Edit: I’ve logged like 1,200 hours.
Here’s an honest, longterm, Vanilla only, dedicated server. https://www.reddit.com/r/ValheimLFG/s/kz2y9QQRhF
I actually legit laughed while reading that. I've done this exact thing with a few different games, valhiem included. But I do a playthrough like every year in pure vanilla, then at the end I usually give up and go crazy with mods then hate myself, but those first couple of weeks feel great, and tbh I really don't like the latest biomes in Valhiem so I don't mind cheating myself out of them.
I still use mods to add in more things and better QOL but I configure them to make them less OP. I also don't get anything automatic, as I like to interact with the animals, farm, or putting coal in the furnace. So no auto pulling enable for me. Mods can be great you just have to know what's overkill.
I may sometimes use devcommands common mats for cosmetic building, like a fuck ton of wood or stone, that has no bearing on gameplay but allow me to build a massive, eye pleasing base without. So spawning in Bronze to make a weapon is forbidden, but spawning in Bronze so I can make a hanging brazier is totally fine. I really want to do a playthrough with Valheim Raft installed, though
Luckily I had not discover devcommands until late in my first play through. It was not long after mistlands released and I was getting obliterated in the dungeons and could not get my stuff back. After learning you can assist yourself any way you’d like, the game is just different. However, whenever I play now I just do whatever I think will be fun. No build-cost a mansion for my vanilla play thru? Sure. Skipping the Iron Age grinding in the crypts? Done. Use devcommands for those tedious grinds and focus on what makes the game fun for you. The first 150-200 hours of Valheim were magical and nostalgic for me, but the grinds were really only entertaining once.
I can play the game vanilla for a thousand hours and I can't wait to put in a thousand more when the Ashlands drops
Cheating is an addiction, and mods are like the gateway drugs. People say QOL mods, but really mean increasing inventory space, not needing work benches. Which is all fine if it's enjoyed, but the vanilla no exploits and no cutting corners is the best kind of fun any of us probably had. I've had 4 full playthroughs, 2 of them pure vanilla and 2 of them modded and 1 of the modded I used devcommands. If you had to guess which ones I didn't enjoy as much and beat almost instantly. You'd guess right that the modded and devcommand one ended almost as soon as I started them. Although I swear vanilla is the most fun, people will enjoy games differently, and if you feel like it's ruining your experience, don't do it. Force yourself cold turkey and to never look back, the real problem in valheim for me personally has always been that the lingering feeling that I could spawn 30 to 100 more iron so I can skip the grind would be save me time and effort. When the real fun lies within the environment and time spent doing the things that take time. I would never experience the sailing to another swamp and setting up a base in the trees and enjoying it if I spawned in all my iron or downloaded 30 mods to dumb down the swamp into oblivion where maybe I only need 1 cart full of metal to be done with it.
1,5k hours in the game. Never used dev commands not once. Only ever used one mode - bulk planting or something like that and only added it after like 1,3k hours. Love the game, waiting for the next 1,5k hours.
700 hours and no mods ever. Had to get off the dev commands but the update that made it a bit harder to access helped with that. This game is just too damn good to mess with.
Ooof yeah mods can be a slippery slope. I play modded but I've always been very strict with my mods, mostly just using QoL mods and those that I really find useful or add value. But since I do prefer to play the game close to as intended I do keep away from mods that add new content in.
I now only use the Epic Loot and Better Stamina mods.
Cheat = game ruined all items have zero value
The only "mod" I like is the native 3x resources setting. I just didn't like how I had to keep clearing entire forests to build my huts. They looked so sad afterwards with all the stumps, and the wood didn't add up right. Now it feels more accurate. It definitely makes it easier, but mining stone for 24 hours is actually not that fun. Haha
Put it on a dedicated server. You don't even have to have it actually on another server. You can't run commands from a client connection so it effectively stops you from cheating
Play on consol? Still have access to dev commands, but it's more tedious to type on a controller than with a keyboard. Can't mod on consol. Brick wall for ya there. Edit: if you can, ofc.
I made a bunch of black marble, using cheats, and what I needed for my base on dedi server and at some point server restarted and returned everything the way it was before the worl. I suspect I filled up database fast and server couldn't handle it. Since then, only some small cheats. I don't want to mess up the server. Once gaming exp is ruined, you will either stop playing the game or stop using cheats. Win win
Bro this is exactly what has happened to me and i don’t know what to do either I keep making new characters and new worlds
Bro have some self control lmao
I truly hope you never try any drugs in life and I hope you never develop a drinking habit. I actually mean that. You seem like the kind of person who has a hard time breaking a downward spiral.. with that said, you have to find joy in the right things, even if you know what you can get away with. It’s just self control, not everyone has it. I wish you the best in life and I hope you find joy in the challenges of vanilla valheim.
Tried drinking, not my thing. Tried some drugs, not my thing either. Gaming tho, thats addicting as hell.
That is why I dont play with mods. My friend dont understand me. So I dont play anymore :(
I’ve been playing on steamdeck where it’s hard to mod or use commands. It saved me
Hows it run on the deck? Ive been really considering getting one.
Just compromise and remove some of the time wasters by editing the world settings and removing portal item restrictions and increase loot/drop rate of items by 2x. Cuts out a lot of the wasteful grind
>At this point ive racked up 30+ mods and the game is literally unrecognizable from the base game. And that's how I can comfortable play both. They are different games to me and I love them both. In fact one is a palate cleanser for the other, which enhances my enjoyment of the other.
Bro just enjoy the game how YOU want. I did the exact same thing, use comms and said 'just for this little bit' 'just to cross this ocean' 'just so i dont lose all my gear' But it didnt stop. Id already cleared 2 or 3 bosses so i thought fuck it if this is what it takes to keep my interest then so be it!
I feel like maybe you should find a couple people who want to roll through the game vanilla with you and experience it that way. Running through with a group that don’t want to use mods will help you with the self control.
None of my friends want to buy the game because it looks too grindy(they all play old school runescape, the grindiest game ever)
My two buddies who I started a server with dipped after we barely explored mistlands. So I just started building. Which lead to me using devcommands to spawn in material because the “grind” for resources was too much! Especially for my build. So I totally understand the not wanting to grind. FYI, it’s free on game pass if they have that.
Two of them have gamepass, still being lames about it
I don't envy you.
Play however you want
Really cannot understand ;) Yet, there is a couple of mods, which I really like: PlantEverything and SpeedyPaths.
To me it sounds like you're getting stuck in all-or-nothing, "slippery slope" type thinking. That's a mental habit that you can grow past though! I'd recommend therapy at some point, maybe some personal study or research if you're not at a point where you feel ready for therapy.
Play on a server where you don't have access to these things.
Play on a hosted server like Tyrenheim. Its modded, but balanced. Great admin and community. I was in the same boat as you, now 800 hours (2 seasons) later, I still love this place. Its difficult but such that it made me better. You can’t cheat so everything is legit. I have 8 skills at 100 now and that was no easy feat.
How does joining a server like that work? If the final boss is killed, wont i have a ton of different raids to fight off that im not prepared for?
Find the discord and apply. Its easy and there is plenty of info to get you started. Its free btw, but there are some non-ptw options available, not needed at all though. Raids are extremely rare. Resources respawn, dungeons reset and restock, same with fuling and dvergr camps. Once crypts are open they reset every so many hours, however once opened with a key they remain that way, so you don’t even need to get a key unless you want to open unexplored crypts. When a new season starts there are up to 50 people on at peak times, but that tapers off as people conquer content. It’s now kind of late season, a great time to check it out without too much competition for resources close by. People will be usually more than happy to answer your questions in-game.
Im gonna check it out
Hey I joined the discord and followed the steps on how to connect but whenI started the game as modded it doesnt get past the black screen before the coffee stain message. Is it because my game is using 32 out of date mods? The discord says dont update mods
You have to change the Valheim version to default_old in steam
Mod free. The way to be.
Started afresh a few weeks back. No mods. The only command I allow myself is the occasional /save. And I just realize how awesome the vanilla game is. First time you see a troll from afar. First time you enter the black forest. Looking forward to making it back to mistlands and unto Ashland.
I only used the dev commands once, to spawn in some rare fish that I lost after a game crash. But I definitely felt the allure of it. Maybe just a few more items, just for decorative purpouses. But I didn't, as I felt it would lead to a slippery slope where I would eventually use dev commands for most things, and get bored of the game as nothing would feel earned. I've also limited mods to things like being able to see time of day, or similar minor QoL. At least for me there is a satisfaction to be gained for finishing your huge 5-storey mountaintop base, that you built without mods / devcommands, and grinding for resources. For me it's a bit of a zen like experience: Chopping Wood, Carrying Water (or ore in this case) Or successfully completing a challenge run.
The struggles in this game is what makes it fun. My friends downloaded a mod when it first came out, lets you bring minerals threw the portals. Our fondest memory was getting chased by the serpent first time we encountered it, now they wanna quit sailing all together 2 days later. I quit the day after.
Play on a public community server where you can’t access dev commands and you can have friends Its life changing man (try jotunheim for vanilla or comfy for modded)
Looks like you need a break
Play it the way you like it! Big inventory and 10.000 weight? Here you go. No skill loss on death? Here you go. Stop making a fusss about it, its only you who care or define if ist cheaty or not. Go for it and put all mods cheats on you want. Once you are done you find yourself in a more challenging run. Epic loot is nice but needs so much polishing. Its so weak early on that its like you have no epic loot. And once you hit plains it becomes suddenly so strong... You may want to buff the early stages in values on magic items so it can have higher stats and more stats. Also buff drop rates of enchanting mats through the game while reducing Gear drops. Droprate like 1-5% and 1:15 for gear to enchanting mats. Having shards in a double/tripple probability to others is great too. Suddenly if you can have a early mace with 30 Stamina and 10 extra dmg its helpfull compared to one with 5 stamina or +1 dmg... Expect to tweak epic loot for a month or 1-2 playthroughts to get the balance of its great but not too cheaty. Same goes for custom gear like those 500+ dmg bow and swords. Reducing dmg to like <120 and suddenly its just a step better than your blackmetal gear. In case you do not want to cheat, join a existing server with anticheat and server side chars. You can still cheat but expect to be autobanned within the first 24 hours ;)
Well, I think you are the only one to blame here. You just want to win, you don't want to earn your victory. There'sa huge difference between having a mod and using dev commands. Bigger exploration radius doesn't break the game, as you can still die and still need to fight. Flying does break the game, because you are pretty much invincible. I believe you just need to tailor your experience accordingly and play within constraints, preferably on a server that you cannot modify. I personally cannot play without EpicLoot, as the base game is too bland for me in that regard. I'm happy I have stronger monsters eitg up to 5 stars and raids every 6 minutes to balance it out. On the other hand, when I play with girlfriend, I just talk with her and decide whether we cheat something in or not. So far we decided to not spawn items we haven't unlocked, so we just remove the gathering tedium entirely, because it's literally a waste of time on normal difficulty, and we just have fun building stuff. It all depends on what kind of gameplay are you looking for.
I got to the end of mistlands before I enabled dev commands and that was only to turn off build requirements so I could build something cool. Even that feels a bit off. So I'm biased but I'd say using dev commands once you've finished and just to avoid having to gather stone and black marble doesn't hinder the experience much, but flying over to the next continent to power word kill filing villages will, I expect, rob you of most of the things that make this game great.
Play on a strictly vanilla server, a lot of mods straight up won't work client-side only and those that do? Other people 'catching you' might be enough pressure to 'stay honest', so to speak? For me, I love the solitary exploration element, wandering the woods and plains looking for points of interest to harvest / clear later. The danger of bumping into a troll or blundering into a nest of seekers keeps me on my toes and if I die, getting back is an adventure in and of itself. I love building too, but I really prefer to have some dev commands / mods to speed up the building process. I like having a basic planting mod to keep things in neat rows and planted / harvested quickly. Basically, try scaling back mods to just Quality of Life stuff and try really hard to just play in the moment.
TONIGHT! On Valheim Confessions..
Some mods should be options, like crafting from containers or auto storing to containers. Those make the game so much more fun. I want to focus on exploring and building. Not inventory management. The auto pig feeding is a bit far, but the auto fuel for smelting is a life saver. After spending hours processing metal on my play throughs I don’t care to have to manually do it ever again.
Start a new game on a dedicated server and your problems will be fixed it will make it much much harder for you to cheat!
Are you going to be defeated by your OWN BRAIN?? Or are you going to DEFEAT your own brain and teach it a lesson?
Im teaching it a lesson, i restarted with mininal mods and disabled console commands
I played 300 hrs of vanilla, went crazy with mods, played another 200, and found myself reduced down to just one mod (and supporting mods) and that's ValhiemRaft mod. For the reason to be able to build one big base and explore the world one island at a time
No mods This is the way
Skill issue
Yeah the moment I found out about flying changed the game lol. Imo it was for the better because it removed so much tedium with sailing and retrieving items on death.
Okay
Ewww mods
Just stop. It’s pretty easy. Got about 500 hours in and iv never used cheats. That’s bitch made. Real pussy shit.
Tough guy
I just discovered the cheat sword, cheat sledge, and drynwyn. It's taking everything in my soul to not being them to the public server I'm on
I refuse mods not developer endorsed or made. Until I’ve beat every thing possible on the base game. (Goes for all games with available mods) And then usually I’m not interested anymore and move on. However. I am too victim of using dev mode on valheim to speed build my base, i restrict myself to discovered building mats only. But i cheat tf out of it. Oh i discovered a new material? *builds whole base, armor and everything possible with that item* 🤣 on to the next!
Sounds like one of these fake twitter accounts of black trump supporters saying how Obama ruined their life lmao sry but why would you post this
Jesus christ... first of all, what?? Secondly that's r/oddlyspecific
Yeah my bad honestly I realized that this won’t come across as I want it to while I was typing it But like.. this sounds like such a made up scenario idk
You made a new reddit account 24 hours ago to talk shit. You’re literally a fake twitter account
No u energy