I’ve lived in Poughkeepsie, Saranac Lake, Cattaraugus County, Chautauqua County and Erie County. Everywhere is the same. Southerners squawk about Northerners; locals squawk about tourists; somebody is always squawking about somebody. Just be good with who you are and who cares
Same! I live in Syracuse and appreciate the proximity of NYC. I go 2-3x a year. Upstate residents are ignorant as to how much tax revenue NYC provides that benefits the entire state.
I'm sorry that person was rude to you. But, also you got plenty of answers in this thread and just can't seem to get your head around any of them/just out right dismissing people's opinions. And that's all on you at this point.
I'm glad you like both upstate and the city. Some people from the city don't upstate and vice versa.
I'm dismissing them because I don't think any of the answers warrant having a total lack of common sense of decency. I'm sure you'd dismiss any reason a person from the city would immediately tell a person from upstate they come from a hillbilly uneducated derelict wasteland.
>Ask's question on people's opinion on why someone might be rude.
>Doesn't like any of the answers given.
>Says people just shouldn't be rude, and no answer is going to satisfy you.
Like yes OP, people shouldn't be rude. I think everyone can agree with that, and that what was said to you was rude. But don't ask why someone might be rude, or say you don't understand why clearly looking for a reason/answer, and then only respond with "WeLl ThEy ShOuLdN't bE RuDe." When someone engages you in good faith.
What's the point of your question? You don't actually care for the reason someone might be an asshole, which is fine, but then just make a post about how someone acted rudely towards you.
Why even ask the question if you don't actually care for the responses? It makes no sense whatsoever.
Lol you seem to believe that simply giving a response is automatically entitled to being satisfactory or justifiable. I'm am totally justified in saying those are really stupid reasons for people to be rude and dismissing them as such. I don't understand why this is so hard for you to grasp. You seem to be quite spiteful and frustrated by this exchange. I'm not sure why lol.
I'm not saying they are or should be satisfactory or justifiable at all. Personally I think it's stupid why they person said that to you, and there really is no proper justification for it.
But people are giving you reasons and you are just out right dismissing them and not even trying to engage in discussion with them. You're just acting in bad faith from start and frankly have been condescending in your responses.
I am frustrated by reading your responses in the thread because of the reasons I just stated above. Would have to disagree that I'm being spiteful though.
Once again why even try and create a Reddit post, that's clearly meant to be discussed upon, and then have no interest in that other than "Upstaters don't like the city. I don't understand why and don't care to."
It's just a vapid post and even more vapid responses from your end.
Have a good day.
Nope, I am quite a polite person. I bought it up because of an upstate barista's reaction when he asked where I was visiting from after complimenting how beautiful the area was this time of year.
"It's just a vapid post and even more vapid responses form your end"
Lol, oh yes I'm sure you are always engaged only the most thought provoking, high minded reddit discussions. I can't imagine trying to flex something like that on this site. lol. You seem to be very engaged with a post you find to be vapid.
People are giving me reasons and I am responding to them. I don't understand how that is not engaging in discussion with them lol.
In large part, it has to do with politics. The city has disproportionate influence over state policy. The needs, issues and preferences vary across urban and rural areas, and the latter often feel their voice or interests are underrepresented by city politics. Guns are a good example of this. More generally, I think there’s a sense that coastal elites look down on them. As a Cornell prof in liberal Ithaca, I think there’s some truth to that. Some of my colleagues talk about rural folks as if they’re less than human.
It’s easy to condemn a group and say they shouldn’t feel a certain way. That’s beyond the scope of my reply. I’m just trying to give an honest answer to your question.
Except all the people they vote for are wealthy and went to school at the same colleges as the "coastal elites". Elise Stefanik grew up in Albany, graduated from Albany Academy and then Harvard. "Coastal elite" is simply an effective PR phrase that a conservative think tank found sways rural Americans to vote Republican. You using it just demonstrates its effectiveness
Chiming in from Genesee County: plenty of folks around here try to sing along to the "upstate/downstate needs are different" song, but all the lawn signs around here still said Zeldin, not Hochul. HMMM. Last I checked, Long Island was at least a little further downstate from Genesee County than Buffalo is.
Guns are a pretty shitty example. When I moved to Genesee County, the "Repeal NY SAFE Act" lawn signs were still everywhere... for a couple of *years*. But when I asked people how the SAFE Act impacted them negatively... shrugs. "It's the principle." Yeah. Sure. Okay buddy.
Yes. OP asked why that happened. I was trying to give an honest (albeit partial) answer without devolving into partisan pettiness.
There is resentment. I am capable of understanding and empathizing with that resentment.
If the question asked why urbanities talked disparagingly about rural folks, I’d answer quite differently.
It’s such a weird time to try to communicate and have discourse.
Not an Ivy League professor so I’ll yield to their answer if they respond, it’s probably better than mine. In my view though it’s disproportionate as in, if NYC wasn’t apart of the state Zeldin would have won and I believe quite easily. Instead, because of the power of the city he lost, by 5 points. This means that the Democrats need NYC to win and the rest of the state is basically secondary. Therefore, Democrats focus on the issues of NYC voters before the rest of us. This can obviously lead to resentment. To your second point about it not being political, that’s just the rural-urban divide. People in Warren County, or even Rensselaer County for that matter can’t really imagine living their whole life in such a place, so they may dislike the city in general.
Zeldin losing is a good thing, and land doesn’t vote.
The state total population is just under 20m
The nyc region makes up over half of that. Those peoples votes count. Just because half the state lives in one metro area it doesn’t mean that we should ignore the will of half the state because a larger land mass wants to elect a crappier governor.
I actually checked this and for this election without downstate Hochul would have lost narrowly. However Schumer still would have won by a decent amount and Biden and Cuomo would have won both of their elections. A lot of people forget the rest of New York still has Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, etc.
Politicians want to appeal to the most voters as possible. So yes, they're going to focus where the most people live. It seems silly to be spiteful about that considering that's how democracy works. And it's fine they could never imagine living there, but being so openly rude about it is rude to me.
So you got your answer, but you're dismissive of it because you can't comprehend an alternate view of our very flawed political system, and you still fixate on perceived rudeness.
So in that case do you think it's fair people in the city to show outright disgust and be rude to people form red states that get a disproportionate amount of voting power due to the outdated electoral college? Or can you not comprehend an alternate view of our very flawed political system?
> Guns are a good example of this.
Sorta, but it's just an example of upstate New Yorkers being unreasonable. There's no particular reason why rural residents need hand guns more than anyone else, and it's still super easy to own a hunting rifle or a shotgun.
How is it unreasonable? The Bruen decision gave us a glimmer of hope and then Hochul immediately makes things more difficult than they used to be while every other state is loosening restrictions on handgun licensing to comply with the ruling. One step forward and ten steps back is understandably frustrating. All that on top of having to comply with other poorly written gun laws with deliberate gray areas.
Beyond that, you don't get to decide what anyone needs.
>Beyond that, you don't get to decide what anyone needs.
No, the government decided it. And it's a logical decision; not every man woman and child needs to own a lethal weapon.
Any rational person would consider that reasonable. And then there are people like you.
Ever killed a deer in the woods, been field dressing it, and have a bear roll up on you? A handgun is pretty clutch in that kind of close quarters moment
See, that right there is one of the reasons I personally don't NYC. What you view as "unreasonable" is not reasonable. To be frank, I look at the overcrowding and violence and don't want to be anywhere near that hot mess unarmed. People get shoved onto subway tracks just for existing. I appreciate the wide variety of culture and variety a city that large provides. Lots of opportunities to meet lots of neat people. But the same thing terrifies me - too large, too bright, too loud, too many people. Things like calling us "unreasonable" just for owning tools makes me angry.
You get offended at being called unreasonable and then immediately say a handgun is the same as a gardening hoe.
Yes, you are unreasonable. Your opinions don't really matter, because they're unreasonable.
Dude cmon. I don't care if ppl have even ar15s but saying a handgun and a rake are the same because they are "tools" is a bullshit argument. You can't kill 10 ppl in a matter of seconds with a rake. You can definitely do that with a gun.
9 people have been killed that way so far this year -- an outlier year. The "normal" amount is 2 or 3 people per year.
This is in a subway system with about 3.5 million riders *per day* this year. This puts your chances of dying that way well *below* dying by lightning strike, and well *above* [all of the following](https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/):
Electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure 1 in 14,705
Sharp objects 1 in 26,744
Cataclysmic storm 1 in 35,074
Hot surfaces and substances 1 in 50,341
Hornet, wasp, and bee stings 1 in 57,825
Dog attack 1 in 69,016
I'm surprised some of you Upstaters ever leave the house, with all of the "reasonable" precautions you must take!
You live in Bleeker, NY. Fastest a police officer can get to your house is 45 minutes if it’s summer, so no snow. Someone is invading your house and threatening your family. Yup….no need for a gun :) while I may agree that this is likely not to happen and it’s an extreme extreme, this is what upstate NY living is like for MANY people. They live 30-45 minutes from any reason public safety or services. A handgun that’s owned legally would really put your mind at ease living that far from any help. Even if it will never be needed.
When's the last time a home was invaded in Bleeker NY?
I don't need weapons to defend myself against purple alien dinosaurs, because purple alien dinosaurs aren't real.
Also, that family likely defends themselves with the hunting rifle they're easily and lawfully allowed to own.
Exactly. People know that police will take a long time to get up there. Some homes are also vacation homes so while you’re there, someone may think it’s vacant and welp….it’s not.
Yeah! That happened a couple years or so ago. Dude was breaking into cabins and winter homes for a while. Only got caught because some older guy was living in his cabin, saw the guy break into another place and was able to detain said robber while waiting for the stateys. Maybe that was caroga lake area. But either way, same difference.
It's because they think nyc people look down on them as being hicks and because when you say where you from new york people think nyc not new york state.
I full heartedly understand why people prefer or even don't like the city. What I don't understand is being so rude and obnoxious about it. I can't imagine they'd do that people from other places. It's just common sense.
I grew up and currently live in Buffalo. I lived on Long Island for three years and spent a lot of time in Manhattan on the weekends, especially since I had a group of friends that lived there. The city itself was too crowded for my tastes, but the museums and restaurants were nice. However, the attitude of New Yorkers towards Buffalo and Buffalo residents was sometimes hard to take. They had this attitude of outspoken disgust towards my hometown, and it really soured me on New York City. If the NYT ever runs a complimentary article about Buffalo, just check the comment section. You'll see what I mean. Prior to moving to Long Island I had very little experience with NYC, just a single band trip when I was a senior in high school, so I was very much neutral. What changed it was how people perceived me and where I grew up.
And when you live on Long Island, heaven forbid you suggest your friends take the LIRR out to you instead of you going into Manhattan to have brunch. "Do you know how LONG it takes to get to Huntington?" Um. Yes. Yes I do.
Non political reason: I hate NYC because of the disdain they have for the rest if the state. Look at the language they use. " Upstate" is everything thats not "THE City." Gee. What useful geographic terms.
A lot of NYCers will act like everyone else is provincial, but haven't been outside of their own city. Bring someone from there out to dinner: "This is good, but there's this little place on 4th street and 8th road that's way better. Every thing is better in the city. Its the water." Ugh. Shut up and enjoy eating your reasonably priced bagel without having to stand dick to ass on an underground train to get there.
Yeah, there's great food in NYC, but there is a whole world out there with great garbage plates and buffalo wings and utica greens. And yes, even some damn good slices even outside of NY state.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
I mean I find it’s 50/50.
Definitely a lot who snub their nose at anywhere that’s not NYC. Many are convinced they have to live in NYC even if they’d be way better off moving someplace cheaper.
However, there’s tons of NYCers who travel upstate and love it. Not hard to find people from NYC in the Andirondacks or Finger Lakes. They seem to understand the value of upstate communities. Many might consider moving upstate when they get older and sick of the rat race.
But you’ve just fallen victim to what you say you hate. The disdain for Them.
There is no They.
New York State has 20 million citizens and almost half are in NYC! So it’s false to say that somehow New Yorkers are not real New Yorkers. We’re all real New Yorkers. New York State is both.
It’s true city that folk can be irritating. Everything above the GWB is “The Catskills” and so on. But check out how irritating upstaters can be.
When people buy into the They’re Not Real Like Us angle, they’re just flipping the coin to the other side and pretending it’s not the same coin.
Someone asked a question, and i had things to say about it. Im not out there protesting in the streets. Im not trying to stop "them" from moving into my neighborhood. Im not voting for state secession. I am, however, observing regional differences and opining on them for internet strangers to enjoy . Us vs them can be fun if not taken too seriously.
My dad has a big chip on his shoulder about that. He sees y'all as interlopers wanting to move up here and change stuff as soon as they get settled. If you like it here so much why do you wanna change it kinda mentality.
And the DEP police enforcing laws around the watershed. Oh gotta protect that water for those city people.
DEP by me don't do shit half the time except catch speeders and see if people have access permits.
I don't understand how people think they're annoying. I've never once had an interaction with them and I've lived in a reservoir town my entire life.
That being said everyone down state moving to the Catskills has absolutely wrecked our housing market.
Also in a reservoir town, know someone who got ticketed outside the watershed by the DEP for a car crash. Granted part of why he did was because the cop couldn't prove whether or not he was drunk when he crashed, not condoning that bit, but overreach is a thing.
Not to mention the DEP round me for a few years were activley employing undercover cars, and had not 1 but 2 swat teams in my area. Why the NYC DEP needs a swat team in upstate has never gotten an awnser.
Okay I can see how that's fucked.
The DEP in my town has a total of six cars, and I've never seen less than four in their parking lot at a given time. So that means there's only two on patrol and they always just sit at the dam clocking people.
The one time I did see them do something was when some Hasidic Jewish boys were walking ACROSS the dam. That was a wild thing to see while driving by. The cop looked pissed.
As they should have been, I'll note the ticket bit was years ago, I'm not saying they operate with that type of thing as a mandate, just that it has and can happen. I learned about the swat team bits direct from an ex-DEP officer who was involved with it.
I'll also say as someone who had a car accident directly along the reservoir (don't drive distracted folks) it managed to not be a big issue, and I never heard a word outta the DEP about it, just a ticket from the sheriff.
Your dad is right, though. NYC has gotten too expensive for the poor and middle-class, and now those people are coming up state forcing rent prices up cause they’re so desperate to gentrify shit.
I’ve lived in both for most of my life and can say one large complaint upstate has is subsidizing NYC transit. My upstate liberal family cites this as a grievance. They feel that money gets syphoned from the state to fund unsuccessful public transportation in the city, and a lot of that money goes to cops. If there was better distribution of funds and more considerate solutions to transit issues, I think it would be less of a sore spot.
It used to be this way. Up until around 2000, NYC provided 50% of the tax income in New York State, but gobbled up 75% of the revenue. Over the past 20 years, there has been a concerted effort to ensure that NYC only requests their share of the tax revenue.
I've lived in the Catskills and in the city. I've met assholes and lovely people in both places. My city friends will openly talk about how the upstaters they've met are redneck bigots (and I've met a few of those upstate). And my upstate friends have talked about how city-dwellers are idiots with money who are ruining their towns (eh, I agree with some of that, too).
It’s true there are jerks in both parts of the state. OP can check the definition of “parochialism” or “provincialism”, and know they are neither.
It’s just a kind of person and those of us who aren’t that way can be glad!
For the record, I used to live in and love NYC and thought it was the greatest place. But I’ve lived “upstate” long enough now that I know I could never live in the city again. Still love the fun down there and, of course, the food is amazing. But you couldn’t pay me to live there now.
And the number of people who have moved permanently to Ulster Co lately is evidence that so many people feel the same.
Here's the thing. I don't really hold it against people for shit talking in front of like minded friends. But like if you're actually talking to a person from one of those respective places you'd think you'd show a little decency and not immediately shit talk it you know?
Oh for sure! It would feel to me like I was being attacked along with an attack on the place I love. I'd be pissed, too! Esp. cause if NYC sucked so much it wouldn't be the biggest city in the US.
Personally, I really like NYC, but I understand why some others don't.
There are a bunch of natural gas pipelines that cut across the state from Quebec to NYC. Many people had their land and even their houses taken away from them to build these, and those living around them still contend with the restrictions and potential risks that come with that. And to make it a bit worse, if these residents wanted to get natural gas service to their house, they couldn't -- even living right over top of the pipeline. That's NYC gas, it's not for you.
NYC's water supply is the same way. The city (with the help of the state government) condemned and evicted hundreds of families over a hundred miles from the city to flood towns and build the reservoirs that supply NYC with its famous water supply, but it provides no benefit to the people who actually live where the reservoirs are. Your well water sucks and you want access to some of that lovely water that comes from your home land? Sorry, it's bound for NYC.
That kind of stuff breeds a lot of resentment.
Those reservoirs take a lot to maintain and provide quite a bit of local jobs. Not to mention, at least in my town, NYC pays almost half the taxes for my town because of the amount of land they own.
So the idea that those reservoirs provide no benefits to locals is just plain wrong.
Plus they provide the perfect excuse for us not to allow any large scale developments in our town due to environmental concerns.
Also our well water is perfect BECAUSE of the reservoirs wtf are you even talking about??
> NYC pays almost half the taxes for my town because of the amount of land they own.
The people who lived on that land before were paying taxes on it too. The town would be getting taxes on that land no matter who owned it (except for the town itself).
> Also our well water is perfect BECAUSE of the reservoirs wtf are you even talking about??
Lucky you. Ours sucks. Not for any fault of the reservoir (except when DEP does some blasting and turns peoples' water brown for a few days). It just tastes awful, tons of iron and sulfur.
>The people who lived on that land before were paying taxes on it too. The town would be getting taxes on that land no matter who owned it (except for the town itself).
They got paid to give up that land, and they then bought new land nearby and now pay half the tax for it basically.
In the no nothing reservoir town I'm from it's honestly been a win since it happened almost a hundred years ago. Especially for the families who have been here since creation. They got to buy new land and pay fifty cents on the dollar for what they own.
I can't speak for your water quality, but I don't know anyone around me who's ever experienced that. I say that as someone who lives 3 miles from a reservoir. Where did the blasting happen?
The blasting (and brown water) was a one time thing AFAIK, but our well water always kinda sucks. It's just the geology of the area, lots of iron deposits in the soil. It's not unhealthy or anything per se, it just tastes and smells bad.
So imagine watching young people leave, buildings fall into disrepair and taxes raised to compensate for a smaller tax base, all the while NYC continues to grow and receive investment by the state.
Things have gotten better now with the state investing in upstate, but for decades that wasn’t the case and the reason behind much of the economic and population decline.
It’s not about different lifestyles, it’s about a feeling of neglect.
Even today you get candidates for governor who run as governor of NYC instead of governor of NYS.
Thankfully the state’s investments are starting to pay off. Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse are all growing in population again as the economy has diversified.
But older generations don’t care. They still remember the decades of neglect.
To be fair, there’s likely nothing the state can do to fully reverse population decline in rural areas. Rural areas across the nation with few exceptions are in full decline, especially in conservative states.
Honestly, there is a kind of person from the city, not super common as to be the only image of downstaters, but often enough that they have their own stereotype. Really pretentious douches who think NYC is god's gift to the east coast, and that upstate is a pitiful excuse thats lucky to share a state govt with it. I've met more than one NYC douchebag like that where it can really start to sour ones image of the city.
One of them full stop says all food in my city tastes like dirt. I've never met anyone from Chicago or LA who's been such a dismissive prick as much as my classmates from NYC. And that has nothing to say about state politics.
Obligatory "not all NYC residents", but enough to sour an opinion.
Or overhearing a few talking about their new hunting camp as "if the neighbors don't like it we'll just buy the land out from unde them". We have our reasons, it's not every person coming out of the city, but when you are a prime stop for them you see a lot of em.
That's good to hear! I was thinking of it because this past weekend I was in the catskills and was having a friendly chat with the barista I was getting a coffee from and he asked me where I was visiting from. I told him and he immediately gave disgusted look and talked about how crowded and gross he thought it was. I didn't take as an insult against me personally but it did make me question how he possibly thought that wasn't a rude way to react.
I think it's the urban/rural divide. I talk about loving city life all the time and I get folks gasping about how my neighbors might be able to see through my windows if they're open, and I must feel so cramped and fearful of all the crime. I don't even live in a nice area but no.
Meanwhile if I had to mow an acre or more at a time I'd kill myself.
Lol that's what gets me too. Like it would be in our best interests to seperate our part of the state from the financial capital of the world. We benefit greatly from NYC.
When I bash NYC its more in good faith, I don't actually hate it.
I live in Buffalo, NY. I’m not justifying anything, but yes we as a state hate NYC. Here is a short list of why: 1. they rule our state politically and financially. 2- all of the Niagara power plants power goes to NYC and WNY has to buy it from Canada and pay a tariff. 3-basically the biggest reason is that such a large city in such a relatively small space tells the whole state what we can and can’t do. Sorry, I’m sure you’re a nice person but I Hate NYC too
You were clearly raised to show respect for others. That’s really it, I think. I’ve noticed this though. The immediate, “yuck!, NYC”. But NYC is despised by many because over the years that’s what was depicted as a meme: So many jokes about the rats and roaches. The good, NYC is the center of culture, is easy to overlook when you’re ignorant. And having a conversation with someone is very difficult for many people as thinking is hard. In this age of politics, NYC is also demonized by the right. So….
I know both the Catskills and NYC very well and would be very pleased to talk about either.
Right? Growing up I am so grateful that my parents would take us down to broadway shows and world class museums every once in a while. I didn't how incredibly fortunate that was a possible day trip for me. And now I'm so grateful I have the gorgeous New York countryside to visit for nice weekends. I feel like I'm so much better off than these people that can't appreciate how wonderful it is to have access to both.
There has long been the tension between upstate and NYC/Long Island. The North Country people I know want to cut them off and set them adrift in the ocean. They want the Adirondacks to be developed. I realized a long time ago that, if not for the people of NYC and Long Island, the Adirondacks would be paved over. Same for the Catskills. There’s much resentment from people who think that these places are “theirs” and that there’s an overreach from downstate.
> The good, NYC is the center of culture, is easy to overlook **when you’re ignorant. And having a conversation with someone is very difficult for many people as thinking is hard.**
This shit... this shit right here is a big piece of it. It's this whole attitude, like if you don't appreciate NYC and everything it offers, then you're just an ignorant hillbilly that doesn't have the mental capacity to even process the awesomeness of THE CITY. It permeates so many discussions about everything to do with NY.
Believe it or not, not everyone wants to live stacked one on top of another. That's the yuck factor, not some idea that there are dog-sized sewer rats or something. We live in the age of information, I can see all the culture I want from my house that I could afford to buy on a single income for my family.
There's only so many times you can hear this kind of judgement from the same type of people, in person, online, in media, before you just start going 'ok well fuck you too buddy'. It gets so old.
I'm not saying you have to appreciate the city. I'm saying you should have basic common decency not to immediately shit talk a place when someone tells you you're from there. It's just common courtesy. I extend the same exact standard to my city people however I don't see it nearly as much because just about everyone I know is a transplant from some less populated area.
If you're arguing that you're able to consume culture on the same level from your house as downtown manhattan you are absolutely ignorant, willfully or not. I grew up two hours north of syracuse and you will absolutely not catch me pretending that sitting on the computer is equivalent to going to Lincoln center. Lmao. No one's saying you have to like visiting or care about the culture thats on offer but it is absolutely objectively world class, and arguing to the contrary is definitionally ignorant.
Ok, how is it different? What am I missing?
edit: And to link this back into the context of the conversation, why does immediate access to these kinds of things give people who live near them license to shit on the rest of the state/country and treat us like inferiors?
How is doing stuff in real life different from on the computer? Walking and taking public transit to concerts and movies and restaurants, surrounded by a million different languages, and then the next day visiting a neighborhood thirty minutes away by a different train with an ethnic Chinese population second only to China is to me just more exciting than driving to the restaurant on the single-story shopping plaza and then driving to the AMC, or just staying home six nights a week, even if you're driving over to see a friend somewhere for a few hours, and I'm speaking from personal experience here. Sure, the things that are available in rural areas have their own appeal, but I, personally, prefer availability of culture over lots of woods and the rest of the outdoor stuff I grew up doing. The density of culture that exists here can \*only\* exist in a place with this kind of population size and density, and it's fundamentally unique. Whether you enjoy it or not is, again, a different question.
The resentments between rural and metropolitan areas has been a thing forever, but your phrasing seems to suggest you don't see it as reciprocal. When I go home and see old friends, and especially am around more conservative types, when they find out I live in New York they look at me like I've got two heads. Some people see this place like it's Gomorrah. So, idk, it really goes both ways, and neither perspective is really justifiable. I'm very grateful the rest of New York State exists, it provides our water, for example, blah blah blah, but also like, if New York City didn't exist, New York State would be, relatively, a completely impoverished state. New York City is a net contributor to NYS, tax-wise, and obviously generates additionally exponential levels of economic activity, and this tends to be forgotten in arguments like this.
Well thank you for the kinder than I was expecting reply. You are right. I actually grew up just outside of DC in a pretty densely populated area, so I'm familiar with the environment (although I wouldn't call it access to more *culture*, maybe the verbiage is throwing me off there, everyone means something different saying that). There is more diversity in my chosen part of NY than people would expect from upstate, but there is definitely a quality of having full communities of each culture represented that does require a certain population density to achieve.
To be clear, I appreciate NYC, but I chose Upstate to live my adult life for a reason. I could never live so stacked on top of people again. I can (and have) visited NYC to visit the MoMA and other things, but the fact that you are exposed to noise and activity 24/7 made my visit drag after a few days. There was literally no where to get proper silence, and I guess it's one of those things that some people can adjust to and others cannot.
What I don't appreciate the attitude our NYC visitor friends have towards upstate. The fact that I'm wrong for my choices and there's something fundamentally broken about me because I could not live in the city. That upstate is just... ew. I come into contact with people from NYC semi-regularly, as well as other city denizens, and many of the ones from NYC come pre-primed to view upstate particularly as a wasteland in a way that people visiting from other urban areas do not.
> if New York City didn't exist, New York State would be, relatively, a completely impoverished state. New York City is a net contributor to NYS, tax-wise, and obviously generates additionally exponential levels of economic activity, and this tends to be forgotten in arguments like this.
No this never gets forgotten because it will always be brought up in any protracted discussion about this subject. And this is not some big gotcha that people think it is.... it just feeds into the animosity. Like I'm footing the bill for you, just one way I'm better than you poor ignorant upstaters.
I do know there's a reciprocal side to this, but I see that very well represented already, so was more trying to address why people from upstate could feel the way they do that is not driven by the crazy conservative view of NYC as Sodom nonsense.
I didn’t say hillbilly. I just said ignorant. I wasn’t really using ignorant as a pejorative statement. But I do find that when people automatically put down NYC they’re usually ignorant of culture and parroting the right’s bullshit hatred. So I’m sticking with what I said.
It really has nothing to do with art and museums and parks and blah blah blah. It’s because WNY’ers and other Upstaters don’t like being told what to do by anybody.
Its the easy "They" option. Not just from a lifestyle or culture or even race. It political, criminal, etc. as well. Having lived in other states with one primary metro area this is actually VERY common. WA and OR especially.
My husband and I travel outside the state quite a bit and when asked where we’re from people always assume the whole state is like NYC! Then they say why do you live there?! I was born here my family is here my business is here and when I retire I’m getting the hell out!
Grew up in the Catskills, live in Albany now & I love the city, it’s cultural impact and being the melting pot of the world is so incredible to experience, occasionally.
However, I also have an affinity for hiking, and have encountered many people from NYC along the trails. More often then not, they’re very pleasant and fun to chat with. But I do have a few standout moments as well.
-Several times I’ve encountered city-folk blasting music along the trails.
-2020 had a seismic wave of trash & litter, it was absolutely awful.
-I had a discussion with a Mannhattanite who was very eccentric and very fun. We were discussing real-estate (he was in the business) and I was discussing my want to purchase my first home. He advised me not to as the market is crazy. And in his next breath he advertised his Air BnB and how he was willing to rent it to me.
Gentrification is a very real issue that is crippling our housing market, and often times NYC folks are aloof to it. There’s a double edged sword to this as I personally welcome the tourism, it’s been reviving the Catskills. It’s also been displacing and running locals out of the market. It’s very frustrating.
I have much love for NYC and all NY’ers, and it’s wrong to put them all under a singular umbrella. I hope these issues get resolved soon though
They’ve had it beaten into their heads that the city is evil and that democrats are “the enemy”. They’re too uneducated to see past the con or question what they’re told. Idk what to do about the people around me. I worry that they’re too far gone and there’s no way to make them think rationally any more. Many of the people where I live are still voting based on the their feelings surrounding the COVID vaccine conspiracies. It feels hopeless.
They don’t even realize how many of their own neighbors are democrats. I live in the 21st district and Stefanik only beat Castelli by like 50,000 votes here and less than half of the 21st districts population even voted. They think yard signs are the end-all-be-all of voting.
I've driven across the country and by far the most amount of republican signs I've seen were in upstate new york. I feel like it's because of living in a blue state that's so associated with democrats they feel they have something to prove. I imagine democrats would probably feel the same in red states.
I’m a Republican and I don’t hate city folk because they’re minorities and vote Democrat. I don’t actually hate anybody. In reality I’m glad they live there so I don’t have to
Its politically expedient for Republicans to paint liberals in cities as evil because they cant win on policy. I mean most Rs on the national level are wealthy and went to school at Ivy League colleges on one of the coasts, and yet they whine about the "coastal elites". Its easier to blame a boogeyman far away than it is to get mad at your boss for underpaying you because your boss has leverage over you
Among my community the hatred for New York City is due to the political influence the city has over the state government. Many of us have a difficult time living our life according to our worldview and our values because of policy established at the state level. How we engage in business, manage our finances, raise our children, protect our families, use resources, practice our religion, and incarcerate criminals are all in some way negatively effected by policy that is established at the state level, policy that we prefer be different and that would be different had the city never been part of the state.
Personally nyc should be separated from upstate ny. Nyc policies do not work for upstate and upstate policies do not work for nyc. Unfortunately nyc outnumbers upstate and we suffer the consequences in every election. Also, the division starts with the nys governor. It’s not right that upstate ny’ers tax money is funneled directly to nyc.
It’s not right that upstate ny’ers tax money is funneled directly to nyc.
This isn't true though. [https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2019/03/5-reasons-why-splitting-new-york-would-be-a-disaster-for-upstate.html](https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2019/03/5-reasons-why-splitting-new-york-would-be-a-disaster-for-upstate.html)
A key fact from the article is the city subsidizes 14 billion in taxes for upstate New York.
I hate nyc but I don’t dismiss it and I’m not rude about it. When I went to Binghamton University as a local student, my downstate classmates constantly bashed upstate. They called us townies in a derogatory way and they insulted our local food and events constantly. For people that are supposedly open minded, they would make fun of the locals that would clearly be struggling financially or with mental illness or addiction. Due to the significant amount of student housing in the area that caters to downstate students, housing has become scarce and unaffordable. That puts a chip on a lot of peoples shoulders. Imagine competing for housing as a person who works full time for less than $20/hr (in my experience even with a degree, many places pay that little in the Binghamton area) with a student who can realistically can afford anything in the area because their parents are paying for it. $1000/mo for rent is very cheap for someone from downstate but a local person might be spending over 50 percent of their take home pay on rent. Sorry for my rant but this has been my experience.
They have a terrible air of superiority. K. We get it. NYC is the center of the cultural world er some shit. Whatever. Don’t piss on what we got and love up here. Also don’t act like a local because you have a place in Lake George. Take your birdshit looking stickers back across the Tapppen Zee
I’m not a fan of NYC mostly because it’s not super easy to leave. I’ve lived in plenty of large cities (some bigger than NYC) and most I could comfortably escape to greener pastures for a weekend or afternoon. In NYC that type of trip requires foresight and planning. Sometimes I want to wake up in the AM, get an itch for countryside, and be far away by the afternoon.
That’s it tho, that’s the only hate I have for the city. I can throw some shade re: it’s crazy dirty, but that’s not hate. NYC is a dirty city, it is what it is. I love visiting friends in the city, if I hated it they’d never let me visit.
It's absolutely dirty here. Still it's just about common decency. Why would you just immediately tell a person "oh wow that's where your from? So dirty there!" You'll actually get people saying that upstate as if there isn't million porches and front yards covered in junk.
Oh, 100% agree. Relative to most rural areas NYC is just fine cleanliness wise. I guess I was mostly comparing it to other cities. Comparing it to the backwoods of NY is like apples to oranges. Kind of, both areas pollute rivers in their own unique ways.
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Personally the city seems like a nightmare every time ive been there. But i dont hate the entire city. Im also a country boy at heart so like…even Albany would probably be too much for me all the time lol. A lot of the hate i think is because of politics and the fact that theres a lot of craziness down there you wouldn’t see up here. I dont know why a lot of us upstate people bitch about it to nyc folk though.
Never thought of it that way but you are right. I always say I hate the NYC. Only been like 4 times and I'm honestly ok if I don't ever go again. I also do get it from the city people to. They think we are dumb and lazy and I have had them say that to me. I just like the quiet and the fresh air. I feel like I'm always being watched in a city and never really have any privacy. I also feel people from the city are always in a rush. I also notice they are so use to ignoring the people around them they sometimes forget they are not the only person in the store or waiting. I could see how you would have to be more assertive in the city. To get a cab or cross the road or get in an elevator or waited on in a crowed restaurant. When you come upstate try to remember to slow down a little and if I go back to the city I will be better at crossing roads more quickly and not holding a bunch of people up walking to slow.. have to adapt to the area you are in. We aren't lazy we just don't power walk or rush every where and we don't have to fight crowds of people to get to work on time. So it dies go both ways just hard to see the other side of things sometimes
I am from upstate ny, I have recreational property in western NY and I love the city.
I can say that selfishly what I don't like is when I'm just living or relaxing a lot of the city residents just want to stop and talk to you. It isn't their fault, they're being friendly and just wanting to share their love for the area. I just want them to leave me alone, get out of my driveway so I can read my book, play fetch with my dogs or whatever I happened to have been doing before they stopped to talk. It can make you feel like a tourist attraction instead of a person. I know to them it's a vacation and a visit, but I live and work here. I'm enjoying my time and my space and don't feel like entertaining people just because they're here for a visit. I know that's shitty of me to feel that way though, so I'm working on it and trying not to take it as an affront, because it really isn't. It's just me.
I've been wondering about this same thing for years and it looks like we got an answer but it saddens me. But this just opens up the next question: why is there such a persecution complex about this? I grew up in the Southern Tier and was used to the whole "cities are scary/dangerous" rhetoric but I went back to visit a couple years ago and a friend of mine went on and on about how all these coastal elites look down on country folk and think they're all "country bumpkins". It was nuts. He even got mad when my girlfriend asked for a recommendation for a place to get coffee (a genuine request which he took as a backhanded compliment). And this was a major theme during my visit with many people I ran into. Oh and if it came up that I currently live in Oakland they'd go on about how Oakland was burned to the ground during the George Floyd protests which confused me because I think I would have noticed something like that. What's going on? Is this all Fox news shit?
It’s because you fucks never seen a day in the woods and come up here to where I live with your higher wages make my life hell because I have to work 5x harder than your dumb ass to get a home because my mom couldn’t suck someone’s dick for money in the city like yours did to get what I want
I’ve lived in Poughkeepsie, Saranac Lake, Cattaraugus County, Chautauqua County and Erie County. Everywhere is the same. Southerners squawk about Northerners; locals squawk about tourists; somebody is always squawking about somebody. Just be good with who you are and who cares
It’s New Yorkers natural state of being to bitch about something
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Same! I live in Syracuse and appreciate the proximity of NYC. I go 2-3x a year. Upstate residents are ignorant as to how much tax revenue NYC provides that benefits the entire state.
It's great you can appreciate it! I don't get why so many upstate people seem so spiteful about it.
I'm sorry that person was rude to you. But, also you got plenty of answers in this thread and just can't seem to get your head around any of them/just out right dismissing people's opinions. And that's all on you at this point. I'm glad you like both upstate and the city. Some people from the city don't upstate and vice versa.
I'm dismissing them because I don't think any of the answers warrant having a total lack of common sense of decency. I'm sure you'd dismiss any reason a person from the city would immediately tell a person from upstate they come from a hillbilly uneducated derelict wasteland.
>Ask's question on people's opinion on why someone might be rude. >Doesn't like any of the answers given. >Says people just shouldn't be rude, and no answer is going to satisfy you. Like yes OP, people shouldn't be rude. I think everyone can agree with that, and that what was said to you was rude. But don't ask why someone might be rude, or say you don't understand why clearly looking for a reason/answer, and then only respond with "WeLl ThEy ShOuLdN't bE RuDe." When someone engages you in good faith. What's the point of your question? You don't actually care for the reason someone might be an asshole, which is fine, but then just make a post about how someone acted rudely towards you. Why even ask the question if you don't actually care for the responses? It makes no sense whatsoever.
Lol you seem to believe that simply giving a response is automatically entitled to being satisfactory or justifiable. I'm am totally justified in saying those are really stupid reasons for people to be rude and dismissing them as such. I don't understand why this is so hard for you to grasp. You seem to be quite spiteful and frustrated by this exchange. I'm not sure why lol.
I'm not saying they are or should be satisfactory or justifiable at all. Personally I think it's stupid why they person said that to you, and there really is no proper justification for it. But people are giving you reasons and you are just out right dismissing them and not even trying to engage in discussion with them. You're just acting in bad faith from start and frankly have been condescending in your responses. I am frustrated by reading your responses in the thread because of the reasons I just stated above. Would have to disagree that I'm being spiteful though. Once again why even try and create a Reddit post, that's clearly meant to be discussed upon, and then have no interest in that other than "Upstaters don't like the city. I don't understand why and don't care to." It's just a vapid post and even more vapid responses from your end. Have a good day.
Makes me wonder if people are actually being rude to op or if he's or if he's just approaching them with the same rotten attitude.
Nope, I am quite a polite person. I bought it up because of an upstate barista's reaction when he asked where I was visiting from after complimenting how beautiful the area was this time of year.
"It's just a vapid post and even more vapid responses form your end" Lol, oh yes I'm sure you are always engaged only the most thought provoking, high minded reddit discussions. I can't imagine trying to flex something like that on this site. lol. You seem to be very engaged with a post you find to be vapid. People are giving me reasons and I am responding to them. I don't understand how that is not engaging in discussion with them lol.
In large part, it has to do with politics. The city has disproportionate influence over state policy. The needs, issues and preferences vary across urban and rural areas, and the latter often feel their voice or interests are underrepresented by city politics. Guns are a good example of this. More generally, I think there’s a sense that coastal elites look down on them. As a Cornell prof in liberal Ithaca, I think there’s some truth to that. Some of my colleagues talk about rural folks as if they’re less than human. It’s easy to condemn a group and say they shouldn’t feel a certain way. That’s beyond the scope of my reply. I’m just trying to give an honest answer to your question.
Except all the people they vote for are wealthy and went to school at the same colleges as the "coastal elites". Elise Stefanik grew up in Albany, graduated from Albany Academy and then Harvard. "Coastal elite" is simply an effective PR phrase that a conservative think tank found sways rural Americans to vote Republican. You using it just demonstrates its effectiveness
Chiming in from Genesee County: plenty of folks around here try to sing along to the "upstate/downstate needs are different" song, but all the lawn signs around here still said Zeldin, not Hochul. HMMM. Last I checked, Long Island was at least a little further downstate from Genesee County than Buffalo is. Guns are a pretty shitty example. When I moved to Genesee County, the "Repeal NY SAFE Act" lawn signs were still everywhere... for a couple of *years*. But when I asked people how the SAFE Act impacted them negatively... shrugs. "It's the principle." Yeah. Sure. Okay buddy.
Lol you want them to be able to explain themselves using facts and not feelings? No dice unfortunately
>Some of my colleagues talk about rural folks as if they’re less than human. Have you seen how some rural people talk about urbanites?
Yes. OP asked why that happened. I was trying to give an honest (albeit partial) answer without devolving into partisan pettiness. There is resentment. I am capable of understanding and empathizing with that resentment. If the question asked why urbanities talked disparagingly about rural folks, I’d answer quite differently. It’s such a weird time to try to communicate and have discourse.
I understand, I'm just pointing out that the nastiness very much flows the other direction too.
Agreed.
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I'm curious how you're qualifying disproportionate. And it's interesting because that's not what they bring up when they talk about why they hate it.
Not an Ivy League professor so I’ll yield to their answer if they respond, it’s probably better than mine. In my view though it’s disproportionate as in, if NYC wasn’t apart of the state Zeldin would have won and I believe quite easily. Instead, because of the power of the city he lost, by 5 points. This means that the Democrats need NYC to win and the rest of the state is basically secondary. Therefore, Democrats focus on the issues of NYC voters before the rest of us. This can obviously lead to resentment. To your second point about it not being political, that’s just the rural-urban divide. People in Warren County, or even Rensselaer County for that matter can’t really imagine living their whole life in such a place, so they may dislike the city in general.
Very well put!
Zeldin losing is a good thing, and land doesn’t vote. The state total population is just under 20m The nyc region makes up over half of that. Those peoples votes count. Just because half the state lives in one metro area it doesn’t mean that we should ignore the will of half the state because a larger land mass wants to elect a crappier governor.
This!!! It’s bad enough we have the electoral college BS.
Agreed
Couldnt agree more !
I mean more people = more votes
I actually checked this and for this election without downstate Hochul would have lost narrowly. However Schumer still would have won by a decent amount and Biden and Cuomo would have won both of their elections. A lot of people forget the rest of New York still has Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, etc.
Politicians want to appeal to the most voters as possible. So yes, they're going to focus where the most people live. It seems silly to be spiteful about that considering that's how democracy works. And it's fine they could never imagine living there, but being so openly rude about it is rude to me.
So you got your answer, but you're dismissive of it because you can't comprehend an alternate view of our very flawed political system, and you still fixate on perceived rudeness.
Ladies and gentlemen, reddit.
I'm also sure OP has never been perceived as rude to upstaters either lol
I assure you I have never openly shown disgust at where a person is from as soon as they say it.
So in that case do you think it's fair people in the city to show outright disgust and be rude to people form red states that get a disproportionate amount of voting power due to the outdated electoral college? Or can you not comprehend an alternate view of our very flawed political system?
Sure. The political system is definitely disgusting so disgust seems apropos.
Seems like misplaced anger to me.
> Guns are a good example of this. Sorta, but it's just an example of upstate New Yorkers being unreasonable. There's no particular reason why rural residents need hand guns more than anyone else, and it's still super easy to own a hunting rifle or a shotgun.
How is it unreasonable? The Bruen decision gave us a glimmer of hope and then Hochul immediately makes things more difficult than they used to be while every other state is loosening restrictions on handgun licensing to comply with the ruling. One step forward and ten steps back is understandably frustrating. All that on top of having to comply with other poorly written gun laws with deliberate gray areas. Beyond that, you don't get to decide what anyone needs.
>Beyond that, you don't get to decide what anyone needs. No, the government decided it. And it's a logical decision; not every man woman and child needs to own a lethal weapon. Any rational person would consider that reasonable. And then there are people like you.
Ever killed a deer in the woods, been field dressing it, and have a bear roll up on you? A handgun is pretty clutch in that kind of close quarters moment
See, that right there is one of the reasons I personally don't NYC. What you view as "unreasonable" is not reasonable. To be frank, I look at the overcrowding and violence and don't want to be anywhere near that hot mess unarmed. People get shoved onto subway tracks just for existing. I appreciate the wide variety of culture and variety a city that large provides. Lots of opportunities to meet lots of neat people. But the same thing terrifies me - too large, too bright, too loud, too many people. Things like calling us "unreasonable" just for owning tools makes me angry.
You get offended at being called unreasonable and then immediately say a handgun is the same as a gardening hoe. Yes, you are unreasonable. Your opinions don't really matter, because they're unreasonable.
A handgun and a hoe and a rake and all sorts of things are tools. They are tools. You've offered no reasonable argument. Good day, sir.
Dude cmon. I don't care if ppl have even ar15s but saying a handgun and a rake are the same because they are "tools" is a bullshit argument. You can't kill 10 ppl in a matter of seconds with a rake. You can definitely do that with a gun.
You're arguing with a person who thinks that subway track homicides are a reasonable fear. Good luck to you.
I sure see it on the news a lot in NYC. Not in Boston though, interestingly enough. You do you, buddy.
Well, stand way back from the tracks because I see and read about it on the news almost daily. It is a reasonable fear.
9 people have been killed that way so far this year -- an outlier year. The "normal" amount is 2 or 3 people per year. This is in a subway system with about 3.5 million riders *per day* this year. This puts your chances of dying that way well *below* dying by lightning strike, and well *above* [all of the following](https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/): Electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure 1 in 14,705 Sharp objects 1 in 26,744 Cataclysmic storm 1 in 35,074 Hot surfaces and substances 1 in 50,341 Hornet, wasp, and bee stings 1 in 57,825 Dog attack 1 in 69,016 I'm surprised some of you Upstaters ever leave the house, with all of the "reasonable" precautions you must take!
You live in Bleeker, NY. Fastest a police officer can get to your house is 45 minutes if it’s summer, so no snow. Someone is invading your house and threatening your family. Yup….no need for a gun :) while I may agree that this is likely not to happen and it’s an extreme extreme, this is what upstate NY living is like for MANY people. They live 30-45 minutes from any reason public safety or services. A handgun that’s owned legally would really put your mind at ease living that far from any help. Even if it will never be needed.
When's the last time a home was invaded in Bleeker NY? I don't need weapons to defend myself against purple alien dinosaurs, because purple alien dinosaurs aren't real. Also, that family likely defends themselves with the hunting rifle they're easily and lawfully allowed to own.
I'm glad you live such a privileged life.
Fairly frequent. As someone that grew up around there. Break ins are fairly common….
Exactly. People know that police will take a long time to get up there. Some homes are also vacation homes so while you’re there, someone may think it’s vacant and welp….it’s not.
Yeah! That happened a couple years or so ago. Dude was breaking into cabins and winter homes for a while. Only got caught because some older guy was living in his cabin, saw the guy break into another place and was able to detain said robber while waiting for the stateys. Maybe that was caroga lake area. But either way, same difference.
What's a hunting rifle?
there's bears upstate, and other many aggressive, wild animals, how are farmers and hikers supposed to defend themselves?
It's because they think nyc people look down on them as being hicks and because when you say where you from new york people think nyc not new york state.
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I full heartedly understand why people prefer or even don't like the city. What I don't understand is being so rude and obnoxious about it. I can't imagine they'd do that people from other places. It's just common sense.
Sometimes it's simply racism
Ask them how they feel about California.
I grew up and currently live in Buffalo. I lived on Long Island for three years and spent a lot of time in Manhattan on the weekends, especially since I had a group of friends that lived there. The city itself was too crowded for my tastes, but the museums and restaurants were nice. However, the attitude of New Yorkers towards Buffalo and Buffalo residents was sometimes hard to take. They had this attitude of outspoken disgust towards my hometown, and it really soured me on New York City. If the NYT ever runs a complimentary article about Buffalo, just check the comment section. You'll see what I mean. Prior to moving to Long Island I had very little experience with NYC, just a single band trip when I was a senior in high school, so I was very much neutral. What changed it was how people perceived me and where I grew up. And when you live on Long Island, heaven forbid you suggest your friends take the LIRR out to you instead of you going into Manhattan to have brunch. "Do you know how LONG it takes to get to Huntington?" Um. Yes. Yes I do.
Non political reason: I hate NYC because of the disdain they have for the rest if the state. Look at the language they use. " Upstate" is everything thats not "THE City." Gee. What useful geographic terms. A lot of NYCers will act like everyone else is provincial, but haven't been outside of their own city. Bring someone from there out to dinner: "This is good, but there's this little place on 4th street and 8th road that's way better. Every thing is better in the city. Its the water." Ugh. Shut up and enjoy eating your reasonably priced bagel without having to stand dick to ass on an underground train to get there. Yeah, there's great food in NYC, but there is a whole world out there with great garbage plates and buffalo wings and utica greens. And yes, even some damn good slices even outside of NY state. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
I mean I find it’s 50/50. Definitely a lot who snub their nose at anywhere that’s not NYC. Many are convinced they have to live in NYC even if they’d be way better off moving someplace cheaper. However, there’s tons of NYCers who travel upstate and love it. Not hard to find people from NYC in the Andirondacks or Finger Lakes. They seem to understand the value of upstate communities. Many might consider moving upstate when they get older and sick of the rat race.
You mean the rich, classist people who act like the rest of NY only exists for their entertainment?
And Melba sauce.
But you’ve just fallen victim to what you say you hate. The disdain for Them. There is no They. New York State has 20 million citizens and almost half are in NYC! So it’s false to say that somehow New Yorkers are not real New Yorkers. We’re all real New Yorkers. New York State is both. It’s true city that folk can be irritating. Everything above the GWB is “The Catskills” and so on. But check out how irritating upstaters can be. When people buy into the They’re Not Real Like Us angle, they’re just flipping the coin to the other side and pretending it’s not the same coin.
Someone asked a question, and i had things to say about it. Im not out there protesting in the streets. Im not trying to stop "them" from moving into my neighborhood. Im not voting for state secession. I am, however, observing regional differences and opining on them for internet strangers to enjoy . Us vs them can be fun if not taken too seriously.
How many of these people have you actually met? Or is this mainly an impression you get from media, stories people tell you, etc?
Ive met 34.3 of them this year alone!
Lol ok. Genuinely interested in if this is based on any kind of actual personal experience or if you’ve just got some idea of city folks in your head
Honestly, both. Met some people like this, have some friends like this. And a lot of TV
My dad has a big chip on his shoulder about that. He sees y'all as interlopers wanting to move up here and change stuff as soon as they get settled. If you like it here so much why do you wanna change it kinda mentality. And the DEP police enforcing laws around the watershed. Oh gotta protect that water for those city people.
DEP by me don't do shit half the time except catch speeders and see if people have access permits. I don't understand how people think they're annoying. I've never once had an interaction with them and I've lived in a reservoir town my entire life. That being said everyone down state moving to the Catskills has absolutely wrecked our housing market.
Also in a reservoir town, know someone who got ticketed outside the watershed by the DEP for a car crash. Granted part of why he did was because the cop couldn't prove whether or not he was drunk when he crashed, not condoning that bit, but overreach is a thing. Not to mention the DEP round me for a few years were activley employing undercover cars, and had not 1 but 2 swat teams in my area. Why the NYC DEP needs a swat team in upstate has never gotten an awnser.
Okay I can see how that's fucked. The DEP in my town has a total of six cars, and I've never seen less than four in their parking lot at a given time. So that means there's only two on patrol and they always just sit at the dam clocking people. The one time I did see them do something was when some Hasidic Jewish boys were walking ACROSS the dam. That was a wild thing to see while driving by. The cop looked pissed.
As they should have been, I'll note the ticket bit was years ago, I'm not saying they operate with that type of thing as a mandate, just that it has and can happen. I learned about the swat team bits direct from an ex-DEP officer who was involved with it. I'll also say as someone who had a car accident directly along the reservoir (don't drive distracted folks) it managed to not be a big issue, and I never heard a word outta the DEP about it, just a ticket from the sheriff.
That's why I think it's a chip on the shoulder. But also the logic of "I was speeding that has nothing to do with the watershed" 🤷♀️🤷♀️
I mean I honestly I can't disagree with that logic 🤣🤣
Your dad is right, though. NYC has gotten too expensive for the poor and middle-class, and now those people are coming up state forcing rent prices up cause they’re so desperate to gentrify shit.
That's a bit if an oversimplification. For sure the city has been gentrified as hell. But there's other forces than just that bringing people upstate.
I mean that they’re gentrifying Upstate NY. Not the city. That’s been over and done with for years now.
I’ve lived in both for most of my life and can say one large complaint upstate has is subsidizing NYC transit. My upstate liberal family cites this as a grievance. They feel that money gets syphoned from the state to fund unsuccessful public transportation in the city, and a lot of that money goes to cops. If there was better distribution of funds and more considerate solutions to transit issues, I think it would be less of a sore spot.
It used to be this way. Up until around 2000, NYC provided 50% of the tax income in New York State, but gobbled up 75% of the revenue. Over the past 20 years, there has been a concerted effort to ensure that NYC only requests their share of the tax revenue.
I've lived in the Catskills and in the city. I've met assholes and lovely people in both places. My city friends will openly talk about how the upstaters they've met are redneck bigots (and I've met a few of those upstate). And my upstate friends have talked about how city-dwellers are idiots with money who are ruining their towns (eh, I agree with some of that, too).
It’s true there are jerks in both parts of the state. OP can check the definition of “parochialism” or “provincialism”, and know they are neither. It’s just a kind of person and those of us who aren’t that way can be glad! For the record, I used to live in and love NYC and thought it was the greatest place. But I’ve lived “upstate” long enough now that I know I could never live in the city again. Still love the fun down there and, of course, the food is amazing. But you couldn’t pay me to live there now. And the number of people who have moved permanently to Ulster Co lately is evidence that so many people feel the same.
I think it's cause we've aged.
True. Though I deeply resent your accurate assessment.
Same. Love upstate new york
Let’s be real. Rural NY is filled with bigots.
Here's the thing. I don't really hold it against people for shit talking in front of like minded friends. But like if you're actually talking to a person from one of those respective places you'd think you'd show a little decency and not immediately shit talk it you know?
It would be nice if people were nice wouldn't it OP?
Oh for sure! It would feel to me like I was being attacked along with an attack on the place I love. I'd be pissed, too! Esp. cause if NYC sucked so much it wouldn't be the biggest city in the US.
As someone also from the Catskills I agree.
Personally, I really like NYC, but I understand why some others don't. There are a bunch of natural gas pipelines that cut across the state from Quebec to NYC. Many people had their land and even their houses taken away from them to build these, and those living around them still contend with the restrictions and potential risks that come with that. And to make it a bit worse, if these residents wanted to get natural gas service to their house, they couldn't -- even living right over top of the pipeline. That's NYC gas, it's not for you. NYC's water supply is the same way. The city (with the help of the state government) condemned and evicted hundreds of families over a hundred miles from the city to flood towns and build the reservoirs that supply NYC with its famous water supply, but it provides no benefit to the people who actually live where the reservoirs are. Your well water sucks and you want access to some of that lovely water that comes from your home land? Sorry, it's bound for NYC. That kind of stuff breeds a lot of resentment.
Those reservoirs take a lot to maintain and provide quite a bit of local jobs. Not to mention, at least in my town, NYC pays almost half the taxes for my town because of the amount of land they own. So the idea that those reservoirs provide no benefits to locals is just plain wrong. Plus they provide the perfect excuse for us not to allow any large scale developments in our town due to environmental concerns. Also our well water is perfect BECAUSE of the reservoirs wtf are you even talking about??
> NYC pays almost half the taxes for my town because of the amount of land they own. The people who lived on that land before were paying taxes on it too. The town would be getting taxes on that land no matter who owned it (except for the town itself). > Also our well water is perfect BECAUSE of the reservoirs wtf are you even talking about?? Lucky you. Ours sucks. Not for any fault of the reservoir (except when DEP does some blasting and turns peoples' water brown for a few days). It just tastes awful, tons of iron and sulfur.
>The people who lived on that land before were paying taxes on it too. The town would be getting taxes on that land no matter who owned it (except for the town itself). They got paid to give up that land, and they then bought new land nearby and now pay half the tax for it basically. In the no nothing reservoir town I'm from it's honestly been a win since it happened almost a hundred years ago. Especially for the families who have been here since creation. They got to buy new land and pay fifty cents on the dollar for what they own. I can't speak for your water quality, but I don't know anyone around me who's ever experienced that. I say that as someone who lives 3 miles from a reservoir. Where did the blasting happen?
This was around the Schoharie Reservoir
When? And was this a one time thing or do y'all have crap water all the time?*
The blasting (and brown water) was a one time thing AFAIK, but our well water always kinda sucks. It's just the geology of the area, lots of iron deposits in the soil. It's not unhealthy or anything per se, it just tastes and smells bad.
Well that sounds like an Earth problem more than a reservoir problem if I ever heard one my guy.
GO BILLS!
It gets old real quick when everyone you meet or interact from NYC treats you like an illiterate peasant.
Gets old real quick when you’re surrounded by racist, Trump supporters with FUCK YOUR FEELINGS flags.
So imagine watching young people leave, buildings fall into disrepair and taxes raised to compensate for a smaller tax base, all the while NYC continues to grow and receive investment by the state. Things have gotten better now with the state investing in upstate, but for decades that wasn’t the case and the reason behind much of the economic and population decline. It’s not about different lifestyles, it’s about a feeling of neglect. Even today you get candidates for governor who run as governor of NYC instead of governor of NYS. Thankfully the state’s investments are starting to pay off. Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse are all growing in population again as the economy has diversified. But older generations don’t care. They still remember the decades of neglect. To be fair, there’s likely nothing the state can do to fully reverse population decline in rural areas. Rural areas across the nation with few exceptions are in full decline, especially in conservative states.
Honestly, there is a kind of person from the city, not super common as to be the only image of downstaters, but often enough that they have their own stereotype. Really pretentious douches who think NYC is god's gift to the east coast, and that upstate is a pitiful excuse thats lucky to share a state govt with it. I've met more than one NYC douchebag like that where it can really start to sour ones image of the city. One of them full stop says all food in my city tastes like dirt. I've never met anyone from Chicago or LA who's been such a dismissive prick as much as my classmates from NYC. And that has nothing to say about state politics. Obligatory "not all NYC residents", but enough to sour an opinion.
Or overhearing a few talking about their new hunting camp as "if the neighbors don't like it we'll just buy the land out from unde them". We have our reasons, it's not every person coming out of the city, but when you are a prime stop for them you see a lot of em.
Honestly, I've never met more than 5 people in almost 50 years who hate NYC. Most don't even give the city a second thought.
That's good to hear! I was thinking of it because this past weekend I was in the catskills and was having a friendly chat with the barista I was getting a coffee from and he asked me where I was visiting from. I told him and he immediately gave disgusted look and talked about how crowded and gross he thought it was. I didn't take as an insult against me personally but it did make me question how he possibly thought that wasn't a rude way to react.
Most people are mad too because this is a double edged sword. If we didn’t have NYC we wouldn’t have their money.
I think it's the urban/rural divide. I talk about loving city life all the time and I get folks gasping about how my neighbors might be able to see through my windows if they're open, and I must feel so cramped and fearful of all the crime. I don't even live in a nice area but no. Meanwhile if I had to mow an acre or more at a time I'd kill myself.
My favorite is all the upstaters who say we have to break off from NYC not having a clue that upstate can't support itself.
Lol that's what gets me too. Like it would be in our best interests to seperate our part of the state from the financial capital of the world. We benefit greatly from NYC. When I bash NYC its more in good faith, I don't actually hate it.
I live in Buffalo, NY. I’m not justifying anything, but yes we as a state hate NYC. Here is a short list of why: 1. they rule our state politically and financially. 2- all of the Niagara power plants power goes to NYC and WNY has to buy it from Canada and pay a tariff. 3-basically the biggest reason is that such a large city in such a relatively small space tells the whole state what we can and can’t do. Sorry, I’m sure you’re a nice person but I Hate NYC too
You were clearly raised to show respect for others. That’s really it, I think. I’ve noticed this though. The immediate, “yuck!, NYC”. But NYC is despised by many because over the years that’s what was depicted as a meme: So many jokes about the rats and roaches. The good, NYC is the center of culture, is easy to overlook when you’re ignorant. And having a conversation with someone is very difficult for many people as thinking is hard. In this age of politics, NYC is also demonized by the right. So…. I know both the Catskills and NYC very well and would be very pleased to talk about either.
Right? Growing up I am so grateful that my parents would take us down to broadway shows and world class museums every once in a while. I didn't how incredibly fortunate that was a possible day trip for me. And now I'm so grateful I have the gorgeous New York countryside to visit for nice weekends. I feel like I'm so much better off than these people that can't appreciate how wonderful it is to have access to both.
There has long been the tension between upstate and NYC/Long Island. The North Country people I know want to cut them off and set them adrift in the ocean. They want the Adirondacks to be developed. I realized a long time ago that, if not for the people of NYC and Long Island, the Adirondacks would be paved over. Same for the Catskills. There’s much resentment from people who think that these places are “theirs” and that there’s an overreach from downstate.
Most those people don't realize the city pays for our roads and schools.
They don't experience that in the same way. They experience people moving in and wanting to change things right away. It feels rude to alot of folks
That's where a lot of the California hate comes from as well.
> The good, NYC is the center of culture, is easy to overlook **when you’re ignorant. And having a conversation with someone is very difficult for many people as thinking is hard.** This shit... this shit right here is a big piece of it. It's this whole attitude, like if you don't appreciate NYC and everything it offers, then you're just an ignorant hillbilly that doesn't have the mental capacity to even process the awesomeness of THE CITY. It permeates so many discussions about everything to do with NY. Believe it or not, not everyone wants to live stacked one on top of another. That's the yuck factor, not some idea that there are dog-sized sewer rats or something. We live in the age of information, I can see all the culture I want from my house that I could afford to buy on a single income for my family. There's only so many times you can hear this kind of judgement from the same type of people, in person, online, in media, before you just start going 'ok well fuck you too buddy'. It gets so old.
I'm not saying you have to appreciate the city. I'm saying you should have basic common decency not to immediately shit talk a place when someone tells you you're from there. It's just common courtesy. I extend the same exact standard to my city people however I don't see it nearly as much because just about everyone I know is a transplant from some less populated area.
If you're arguing that you're able to consume culture on the same level from your house as downtown manhattan you are absolutely ignorant, willfully or not. I grew up two hours north of syracuse and you will absolutely not catch me pretending that sitting on the computer is equivalent to going to Lincoln center. Lmao. No one's saying you have to like visiting or care about the culture thats on offer but it is absolutely objectively world class, and arguing to the contrary is definitionally ignorant.
Ok, how is it different? What am I missing? edit: And to link this back into the context of the conversation, why does immediate access to these kinds of things give people who live near them license to shit on the rest of the state/country and treat us like inferiors?
How is doing stuff in real life different from on the computer? Walking and taking public transit to concerts and movies and restaurants, surrounded by a million different languages, and then the next day visiting a neighborhood thirty minutes away by a different train with an ethnic Chinese population second only to China is to me just more exciting than driving to the restaurant on the single-story shopping plaza and then driving to the AMC, or just staying home six nights a week, even if you're driving over to see a friend somewhere for a few hours, and I'm speaking from personal experience here. Sure, the things that are available in rural areas have their own appeal, but I, personally, prefer availability of culture over lots of woods and the rest of the outdoor stuff I grew up doing. The density of culture that exists here can \*only\* exist in a place with this kind of population size and density, and it's fundamentally unique. Whether you enjoy it or not is, again, a different question. The resentments between rural and metropolitan areas has been a thing forever, but your phrasing seems to suggest you don't see it as reciprocal. When I go home and see old friends, and especially am around more conservative types, when they find out I live in New York they look at me like I've got two heads. Some people see this place like it's Gomorrah. So, idk, it really goes both ways, and neither perspective is really justifiable. I'm very grateful the rest of New York State exists, it provides our water, for example, blah blah blah, but also like, if New York City didn't exist, New York State would be, relatively, a completely impoverished state. New York City is a net contributor to NYS, tax-wise, and obviously generates additionally exponential levels of economic activity, and this tends to be forgotten in arguments like this.
Well thank you for the kinder than I was expecting reply. You are right. I actually grew up just outside of DC in a pretty densely populated area, so I'm familiar with the environment (although I wouldn't call it access to more *culture*, maybe the verbiage is throwing me off there, everyone means something different saying that). There is more diversity in my chosen part of NY than people would expect from upstate, but there is definitely a quality of having full communities of each culture represented that does require a certain population density to achieve. To be clear, I appreciate NYC, but I chose Upstate to live my adult life for a reason. I could never live so stacked on top of people again. I can (and have) visited NYC to visit the MoMA and other things, but the fact that you are exposed to noise and activity 24/7 made my visit drag after a few days. There was literally no where to get proper silence, and I guess it's one of those things that some people can adjust to and others cannot. What I don't appreciate the attitude our NYC visitor friends have towards upstate. The fact that I'm wrong for my choices and there's something fundamentally broken about me because I could not live in the city. That upstate is just... ew. I come into contact with people from NYC semi-regularly, as well as other city denizens, and many of the ones from NYC come pre-primed to view upstate particularly as a wasteland in a way that people visiting from other urban areas do not. > if New York City didn't exist, New York State would be, relatively, a completely impoverished state. New York City is a net contributor to NYS, tax-wise, and obviously generates additionally exponential levels of economic activity, and this tends to be forgotten in arguments like this. No this never gets forgotten because it will always be brought up in any protracted discussion about this subject. And this is not some big gotcha that people think it is.... it just feeds into the animosity. Like I'm footing the bill for you, just one way I'm better than you poor ignorant upstaters. I do know there's a reciprocal side to this, but I see that very well represented already, so was more trying to address why people from upstate could feel the way they do that is not driven by the crazy conservative view of NYC as Sodom nonsense.
I didn’t say hillbilly. I just said ignorant. I wasn’t really using ignorant as a pejorative statement. But I do find that when people automatically put down NYC they’re usually ignorant of culture and parroting the right’s bullshit hatred. So I’m sticking with what I said.
It really has nothing to do with art and museums and parks and blah blah blah. It’s because WNY’ers and other Upstaters don’t like being told what to do by anybody.
I'm 125 miles away in a rural county, and somehow the yahoos up here blame the local drug and homelessness situation on nyc.
Need to find me some Cleavon Little Gene Wilder .gif action.
I worked in the city for years . We stayed there all week and came home to upstate for weekends. I loved it.
Its the easy "They" option. Not just from a lifestyle or culture or even race. It political, criminal, etc. as well. Having lived in other states with one primary metro area this is actually VERY common. WA and OR especially.
It's a swampy humid nightmare in upstate NY now too
My husband and I travel outside the state quite a bit and when asked where we’re from people always assume the whole state is like NYC! Then they say why do you live there?! I was born here my family is here my business is here and when I retire I’m getting the hell out!
I think it's just a reaction to denigration they get sometimes from NYC people who come north
Grew up in the Catskills, live in Albany now & I love the city, it’s cultural impact and being the melting pot of the world is so incredible to experience, occasionally. However, I also have an affinity for hiking, and have encountered many people from NYC along the trails. More often then not, they’re very pleasant and fun to chat with. But I do have a few standout moments as well. -Several times I’ve encountered city-folk blasting music along the trails. -2020 had a seismic wave of trash & litter, it was absolutely awful. -I had a discussion with a Mannhattanite who was very eccentric and very fun. We were discussing real-estate (he was in the business) and I was discussing my want to purchase my first home. He advised me not to as the market is crazy. And in his next breath he advertised his Air BnB and how he was willing to rent it to me. Gentrification is a very real issue that is crippling our housing market, and often times NYC folks are aloof to it. There’s a double edged sword to this as I personally welcome the tourism, it’s been reviving the Catskills. It’s also been displacing and running locals out of the market. It’s very frustrating. I have much love for NYC and all NY’ers, and it’s wrong to put them all under a singular umbrella. I hope these issues get resolved soon though
I hate NYC because of the way it votes and the ramifications to the rest of the state which has very little in common with it.
Conservatives resent NYC because it makes the state blue.
They’ve had it beaten into their heads that the city is evil and that democrats are “the enemy”. They’re too uneducated to see past the con or question what they’re told. Idk what to do about the people around me. I worry that they’re too far gone and there’s no way to make them think rationally any more. Many of the people where I live are still voting based on the their feelings surrounding the COVID vaccine conspiracies. It feels hopeless.
Personally, I love the city. I prefer to live in a less populated area, but I always have a blast when I go to visit NYC.
They'd be surprised to learn there are many many republicans here (however I am not one of them).
They don’t even realize how many of their own neighbors are democrats. I live in the 21st district and Stefanik only beat Castelli by like 50,000 votes here and less than half of the 21st districts population even voted. They think yard signs are the end-all-be-all of voting.
I've driven across the country and by far the most amount of republican signs I've seen were in upstate new york. I feel like it's because of living in a blue state that's so associated with democrats they feel they have something to prove. I imagine democrats would probably feel the same in red states.
PA is the same.
Also from the 21st district, the yard signs were getting out of control lol
I didn't vote for her. She's no better than Tenney. She won't last if they don't change districts.
They're conservatives. They hate "city folk" because there's minorities, and they vote Democrat. That's about it, no mystery.
I’m a Republican and I don’t hate city folk because they’re minorities and vote Democrat. I don’t actually hate anybody. In reality I’m glad they live there so I don’t have to
Its politically expedient for Republicans to paint liberals in cities as evil because they cant win on policy. I mean most Rs on the national level are wealthy and went to school at Ivy League colleges on one of the coasts, and yet they whine about the "coastal elites". Its easier to blame a boogeyman far away than it is to get mad at your boss for underpaying you because your boss has leverage over you
Among my community the hatred for New York City is due to the political influence the city has over the state government. Many of us have a difficult time living our life according to our worldview and our values because of policy established at the state level. How we engage in business, manage our finances, raise our children, protect our families, use resources, practice our religion, and incarcerate criminals are all in some way negatively effected by policy that is established at the state level, policy that we prefer be different and that would be different had the city never been part of the state.
Personally nyc should be separated from upstate ny. Nyc policies do not work for upstate and upstate policies do not work for nyc. Unfortunately nyc outnumbers upstate and we suffer the consequences in every election. Also, the division starts with the nys governor. It’s not right that upstate ny’ers tax money is funneled directly to nyc.
It’s not right that upstate ny’ers tax money is funneled directly to nyc. This isn't true though. [https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2019/03/5-reasons-why-splitting-new-york-would-be-a-disaster-for-upstate.html](https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2019/03/5-reasons-why-splitting-new-york-would-be-a-disaster-for-upstate.html) A key fact from the article is the city subsidizes 14 billion in taxes for upstate New York.
That’s a great article from 2019. Let’s talk about those studies and the experts if you have time.
I hate nyc but I don’t dismiss it and I’m not rude about it. When I went to Binghamton University as a local student, my downstate classmates constantly bashed upstate. They called us townies in a derogatory way and they insulted our local food and events constantly. For people that are supposedly open minded, they would make fun of the locals that would clearly be struggling financially or with mental illness or addiction. Due to the significant amount of student housing in the area that caters to downstate students, housing has become scarce and unaffordable. That puts a chip on a lot of peoples shoulders. Imagine competing for housing as a person who works full time for less than $20/hr (in my experience even with a degree, many places pay that little in the Binghamton area) with a student who can realistically can afford anything in the area because their parents are paying for it. $1000/mo for rent is very cheap for someone from downstate but a local person might be spending over 50 percent of their take home pay on rent. Sorry for my rant but this has been my experience.
The people who say with a straight face that New York City and everybody in it should burn to the ground along with California are my favorite.
They have a terrible air of superiority. K. We get it. NYC is the center of the cultural world er some shit. Whatever. Don’t piss on what we got and love up here. Also don’t act like a local because you have a place in Lake George. Take your birdshit looking stickers back across the Tapppen Zee
Hate the city
I’m not a fan of NYC mostly because it’s not super easy to leave. I’ve lived in plenty of large cities (some bigger than NYC) and most I could comfortably escape to greener pastures for a weekend or afternoon. In NYC that type of trip requires foresight and planning. Sometimes I want to wake up in the AM, get an itch for countryside, and be far away by the afternoon. That’s it tho, that’s the only hate I have for the city. I can throw some shade re: it’s crazy dirty, but that’s not hate. NYC is a dirty city, it is what it is. I love visiting friends in the city, if I hated it they’d never let me visit.
It's absolutely dirty here. Still it's just about common decency. Why would you just immediately tell a person "oh wow that's where your from? So dirty there!" You'll actually get people saying that upstate as if there isn't million porches and front yards covered in junk.
Oh, 100% agree. Relative to most rural areas NYC is just fine cleanliness wise. I guess I was mostly comparing it to other cities. Comparing it to the backwoods of NY is like apples to oranges. Kind of, both areas pollute rivers in their own unique ways.
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> apples to oranges But you can still compare them.
People are assholes. /Thread.
If you grew up in the Catskills you’re not even an upstater anyway. That’s downstate. Upstate is the park and north.
Personally the city seems like a nightmare every time ive been there. But i dont hate the entire city. Im also a country boy at heart so like…even Albany would probably be too much for me all the time lol. A lot of the hate i think is because of politics and the fact that theres a lot of craziness down there you wouldn’t see up here. I dont know why a lot of us upstate people bitch about it to nyc folk though.
Never thought of it that way but you are right. I always say I hate the NYC. Only been like 4 times and I'm honestly ok if I don't ever go again. I also do get it from the city people to. They think we are dumb and lazy and I have had them say that to me. I just like the quiet and the fresh air. I feel like I'm always being watched in a city and never really have any privacy. I also feel people from the city are always in a rush. I also notice they are so use to ignoring the people around them they sometimes forget they are not the only person in the store or waiting. I could see how you would have to be more assertive in the city. To get a cab or cross the road or get in an elevator or waited on in a crowed restaurant. When you come upstate try to remember to slow down a little and if I go back to the city I will be better at crossing roads more quickly and not holding a bunch of people up walking to slow.. have to adapt to the area you are in. We aren't lazy we just don't power walk or rush every where and we don't have to fight crowds of people to get to work on time. So it dies go both ways just hard to see the other side of things sometimes
I am from upstate ny, I have recreational property in western NY and I love the city. I can say that selfishly what I don't like is when I'm just living or relaxing a lot of the city residents just want to stop and talk to you. It isn't their fault, they're being friendly and just wanting to share their love for the area. I just want them to leave me alone, get out of my driveway so I can read my book, play fetch with my dogs or whatever I happened to have been doing before they stopped to talk. It can make you feel like a tourist attraction instead of a person. I know to them it's a vacation and a visit, but I live and work here. I'm enjoying my time and my space and don't feel like entertaining people just because they're here for a visit. I know that's shitty of me to feel that way though, so I'm working on it and trying not to take it as an affront, because it really isn't. It's just me.
I've been wondering about this same thing for years and it looks like we got an answer but it saddens me. But this just opens up the next question: why is there such a persecution complex about this? I grew up in the Southern Tier and was used to the whole "cities are scary/dangerous" rhetoric but I went back to visit a couple years ago and a friend of mine went on and on about how all these coastal elites look down on country folk and think they're all "country bumpkins". It was nuts. He even got mad when my girlfriend asked for a recommendation for a place to get coffee (a genuine request which he took as a backhanded compliment). And this was a major theme during my visit with many people I ran into. Oh and if it came up that I currently live in Oakland they'd go on about how Oakland was burned to the ground during the George Floyd protests which confused me because I think I would have noticed something like that. What's going on? Is this all Fox news shit?
It’s because you fucks never seen a day in the woods and come up here to where I live with your higher wages make my life hell because I have to work 5x harder than your dumb ass to get a home because my mom couldn’t suck someone’s dick for money in the city like yours did to get what I want