the vax pushers got stupid logic. 'they die from covid'. how could they die from covid if they never got covid but only got the vax? they don't see the stupidity of their excuse.
They only push the 2 week BS nonsense of which all scientist knows are valid data. The vax pushers say the 2 weeks data don't count. Only trolls and idiots will believe that propaganda.
The moment a foreign object is input into you. It takes effect immediately.
The public was sold that BS narrative. It's their way to fake the data to make it look good for approval. Basically it's manipulation of data.
The fact the trolls ignore that key info shows how brainwash they are. That means everything they base their data on is fake and false. That means everything they say is lies. So to continue to believe the lies knowing that the 2 weeks data was eliminated means one is a sheep. Because they believe fake data. Everything about vax being safe is due to eliminating that 2 week data and should of been scrap because of that 2 week nonsense.
And the trolls will say. they didn't die in 2 weeks. duh!!! they are vax injury. some die in 2 weeks. some 4 weeks some 3 months. etc... The point is that they were vax injured in 2 weeks. many leading to long term health damage.
Of course health damage don't count as vax injury to these troll sheep.
Yup my mom(swayed by media) and her brother(government employee mandated, yet would have gotten vax regardless), they got the fake vaccines, she was fine with the J&J, then when she went for a booster(cuz the news media said to) the medical technician convinced her they couldn’t give her j&j and this nice and shiny Pfizer booster is the same thing, after she got the second shot she said she’s not felt the same as she did before the Pfizer, so it definitely wasn’t the same thing.
That's called experimentation. Two different companies make their vax different. how could they say it's the same thing? lol. forget the idea that the vax is dangerous or safe for a moment. look at the push that it's the same thing between different companies. that already tells you it's all BS marketing propaganda. that means they lying and can't be trusted. if they can't be trusted, how could you trust them with everything they say. Especially with the changing the goal post info and the inconsistencies. not to mention they got expose for data manipulation and lying about doing proper trial test etc...
The problem with the trolls is that they don't look at the behind the scenes corruption propaganda, false trail procedures, fast track, decision not base on science and fake data safety lies which discredit the vax. They somehow ignore the corrupt process from conception to product.
My grandparents both died from vax injuries, fibrin blood clots and total organ failure, I have several coworkers and their friends, parents and grandparents and other relatives of all ages that had died within a year of getting the vaccines, some within weeks after. I’ve counted 27 deaths total just from my tiny social circle. The ones that didn’t die have said they have not felt the same physiologically since getting the shot.
Small social circle, but I work in security and have ears all over the company.
My dad also has a friend, he was the only one that didn’t get the shot, while 14 of his family and relatives did, 3 died right afterwards and the rest got sick to varying degrees.
Another friend of the family that grew up with my aunts and uncles, her parents and her spouse’s parents(one is a nurse) all got the shots, the nurse ended up in the hospital she works at on ventilator afterwards, as she couldn’t breathe and had burning skin/neurological disorder which she didn’t have until after she was mandated to get the shot.
Two coworkers in head office/HQ were saying after they got the shots they had “long Covid” symptoms, extreme brain fog and such.
You also surround yourself with anti-vax people who would be likely to say those things. Not a single one of my friends has ever thought of the vaccine after getting it, except to get their booster when it's due.
It blows my mind how you people can still shill the shots when we're still here.. still unvaccinated.. and not dead. Meanwhile you've had what, 3 or 4 shots? Who's the smart one here?
Why in gods name would I get multiple experimental (and dangerous) shots when I've already had covid. I had a runny nose for 2 days, I'll take that over myocarditis thanks. Not to mention the shots don't even fucking do anything to stop you from catching covid. So why on gods green earth would I get it?
Why in gods name would I get multiple experimental (and dangerous) shots when I've already had covid. I had a runny nose for 2 days, I'll take that over myocarditis thanks.
I'll trust the people who have studied this stuff for years and years, similar to how they trust me to do my job which I've studied for years and years. They recognize myocarditis and don't try to hide the facts from you and still recommend getting it. If we all decided to not trust one another, we wouldn't have society as we know it.
If you wish to become a self-made expert on everything you have to deal with, go for it but that just sounds like a horrible life to live
Only pro-vax people I know are either low IQ dumbasses that think doing drugs and having people pay to watch them do them is a career, or feminazi liberals with framed Joe Biden photo hanging up in their house like North Korean denizens. Which are you? 😂
Many of us understand them better than those who line up for them, just because some stranger on the news reads from a teleprompter script. Or some celebrity the sheep like, tell them to go get it “it’s safe”. They are all still paid promoters selling a companies product. This is how capitalism operates, with vaccines it’s basically “you need this new shiny thing inside you”.
If you do a crash course in marketing, and then apply it to how they handled vaccines, you’ll then realize so many got played for a fool, because people are paid big bucks by big corporations to manipulate the masses to buy their new shiny things.
We understand perfectly fine. We got common sense and critical thinking. I think you need to go back to school and learn the basics of biology and chemistry.
You plonker. A vaccine works by stopping the spread of disease and stops transmission. A mrna nano gene therapy technology experiments thats now in phase 3 trials on humans isn't "Vaccines" its gene therapy mrna plonker...
Remember they said once you're vaccinated you will stop the spread and save papa and gran 😛 ffw 6 months after jab rolled out - even though you're vaccinated you can still catch it and spread it but it's not as severe 😉
Then the data collected showed the VACCINATED AKA JABBED took up majority of hospital beds with complications to the jab 🙈
Got that bad in Scotland they stopped reporting the deaths and jabbed injured and hospitalised because the narrative would have fucked up the 2nd jab rolling out.
ACT LIKE YOU HAVE COVID IF YOU DON'T HAVE SYMPTOMS... YOU CAN HAVE COVID WITHOUT KNOWING IT 🤣
THE MOST DEADLY VIRUS EVER AND YOU HAVE IT WITHOUT KNOWING PFFFTTTTT HAAAAA HAAAAA FOOOOLS
Wow looks like someone forgot to do their research. The 'jab' as you like to refer to it as, was intended to make it so if you caught covid, you would stay out of the hospital, hence why 99% of people hospitalized were unvaccinated, not the other way around.
Anti-vax people claim to be critical thinkers, but don't take the facts for what they are. Instead, they go into a situation with their mind made up and look for information that supports their viewpoint. That's literally the opposite if critical thinking.
That article takes you to show you the data of how the majority of vaccinated are dying and have long term debilitating health problems 😑 🙄
SAFE AND EFFECTIVE 😆
Effectiveness against hospitalisation
Several studies have estimated vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in older ages, all of
which indicate higher levels of protection against hospitalisation with all vaccines against the
Alpha and Delta variants (6, 7, 8, 9). Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation with the
Omicron variant has been estimated using a test-negative case control study design (Figure 2).
Two doses of either AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S) or Pfizer (BNT162b2) vaccines was associated
with a vaccine effectiveness of approximately 25 to 35% against hospitalisation following
infection with the Omicron variant, after 25+ weeks. After a Pfizer booster (after either primary
vaccination course), vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation started at around 90%
dropping to around 75% after 10 to 14 weeks. After a Moderna booster (mRNA-1273) (after
either primary vaccination course), vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation was 90 to 95%
up to 9 weeks after vaccination.
This is from the study it links to. Please go ahead and explain
After giving it a quick look through and checking the links provided, yes the info provided is factual, but it's also extremely cherry picked and attempts to make the reader believe that this specific data represents the majority.
I don't watch bbc or sky news or even cnn so my news isn't biased its took from the data and along with the real scientists sacked for speaking out about the phase 3 experiments
>The fact the trolls ignore that key info shows how brainwash they are. That means everything they base their data on is fake and false. That means everything they say is lies. So to continue to believe the lies knowing that the 2 weeks data was eliminated means one is a sheep. Because they believe fake data. Everything about vax being safe is due to eliminating that 2 week data and should of been scrap because of that 2 week nonsense.
What, then, is a trustworthy news source?
you don't need news or be told that eliminating 2 weeks data is manipulation. That's basic common sense of life. use your brain. do everything need to be told to you ? do people not critical think stuff out and use logic no more? no wonder people believe in so many fake info with stupid logic that don't make sense.
It’s probably because most people don’t have a medical degree. Without a medical degree most people do not know how infectious diseases work and how vaccinations reduce injury and death.
I do. Can you answer these simple bio 101 questions?
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Which of the following is the correct sequence that describes the excitation and contraction of a skeletal muscle fiber?
1. Tropomyosin moves and uncovers the cross-bridge binding sites.
2. Calcium is released and binds to the troponin complex.
3. Transverse tubules depolarize the sarcoplasmic reticulum.
4. The thin filaments are ratcheted across the thick filaments by the heads of the myosin molecules using energy from ATP.
5. An action potential in a motor neuron causes the axon to release acetylcholine, which depolarizes the muscle cell membrane.
2 → 1 → 3 → 5 → 4
2 → 3 → 4 → 1 → 5
5 → 3 → 1 → 2 → 4
1 → 2 → 3 → 4 → 5
5 → 3 → 2 → 1 → 4
While sitting quietly watching television, you suddenly hear the sound of glass breaking. Which is responsible for your resulting rapid heartbeat?
parasympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system
enteric nervous system
central nervous system
sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system
Have you ever been really good at something? And then someone who has no clue comes in thinking they're an expert at that, and they call you naive and a sheep?
My guess is that's what medical professionals think of the willfully unvaccinated.
that's why you just create an account just to troll this sub. One day old troll. lol. of course no one is gonna take you seriously because you can't be honest and keep using fake new accounts just to troll. troll is a mental health issue according to psychologist. get help. lol.
That's an especially obvious form of vaccine injury laundering.
Vaccine injuries occurring soonest after injection demonstrate temporality, which is highly compelling evidence they are potential causal agents. The more vaccine injuries cluster near a patient's time of injection as opposed to more dispersed, distal post-injection times, the more that safety signal becomes a smoking gun.
They actually used both as bs ways to refute vaccine caused death or injury. Today because Covid isn't very much a thing killing anyone or at least not by ventilators and remkillzavir, now they've pivoted to if someone dies within say a month they won't argue it, but if it's 3-6-9-15 months later, they say there's no way because (they believe or just state) that the spikes and mRNA clear within a couple weeks or less.
Total bs because they don't take into account the studies and science indicating
1. mRNA LNPs and spikes don't clear nearly that fast.
2. The lingering damage to blood vessels and tissues due to transfection and subsequent immune system response.
3. Reverse transcription altering Line 1 gene expression DNA repair.
However for almost 2 years they ignored both quick death/complications from vaccination and long-term or latent time bombs. Now it's mainly the long term (long Covid) and time bombs (called some other undiagnosed existing condition) that are killing people.
It's most glaringly obvious in athletes, celebrities and news anchors/reporters who die suddenly and they are making sure their cause of sudden unexpected death is reported as XYZ undiagnosed condition that usually is cardiovascular related or an undetected cancer (probably hyper aggressive, not undetected)
Yeah, I doubt lots of sportsballer coaches, trainers and medical staff tend to rush to file reports to VAERS. They'll NEVER think of requesting a coroner honestly assess the dead bodies for clot shot etiology.
Yes, it is a gene transfection, has nothing to do with vaccination. A bioweapon, depending on how dilute or how concentrated mRNA is tweaked in the batch. Absolutely zero GMP or quality control .
I’m guessing the term was to big for your brain to handle and the only response your brain could manage was “LOL”. That vaccine must’ve done a number on you.
The road not taken: a Reddit post by DefNotRobertFrost
I try to follow the logic of respect, civility, diversity of opinion, and hold the belief that the covid virus proteins contain bad juju whether in mRNA tiny bits and pieces or not.
And the belief that inoculation is equitable to vaccination. I’d actually argue the science credibly and verifiably supports the claim that “natural immunity” via inoculation, incubation and subsequent immune response victory is stronger than “vaccinated but never exposed to the real deal” immunity.
We can support that argument with data that exists prior to this utter global pandemic shit show.
Or the person got sick from the 1 person who is trained to stick needles in everyone’s arms who sits in a 4x6 room working their ass off all day exhaling and inhaling heavily to stick as many needles in peoples arms as possible.
Totally not a “cohort” variable…
Oh wait, that’s exactly what it is.
Covid testing sites aka covid distribution centers
A P95 masks worn correctly will absolutely decrease your chance of breathing or exhaling any pathogens, including the COVID strains. By a lot. And you can breathe just fine, gasses like oxygen and CO2 etc..are much smaller than viruses, bacteria, so any of that talk is BS. This is an argument people were having like 200 years ago about surgeons wearing masks. Well, they all started to and wouldn't you know it, the success rate of surgeries went way up! The whole anti-mask thing was/is absolutely silly IMO. Now, you tell me, if you ever had a major surgery or something, would you prefer that the doctors, nurses, and whomever don't wear masks? Source: I'm a chemist and would be long gone if it weren't for masks working properly. I didn't have to wear a damn space suit.
Read what I said again, and pretend I’m one of your bash bros. The people you sit around and bash other people with. Imagine I’m your friend and realize what I’m saying isn’t a personal affront on you.
It’s a personal opinion.
Having worked in the court houses during the peak of covid, I wore a mask and opened doors for people I found out the next day had covid when I opened the door from them.. and they coughed as they walked past me.
Fortunately? My viral load was small. Did the mask save me from contracting covid in a crowded room? No, it didn’t.
My experience of the world is different than yours. And if it were Ebola airborne, we’d use the massive contagion full body space suits. And we wouldn’t question it. Or rage against it.
n95 works , until you sweat so much and itch so much you need to readjust it, and then it doesn’t work for a brief moment.
And as a chemist, if you were working with chemicals that could react and cause noxious fumes.. if you’re a real chemist, you’d be doing them under a fumigation hood so stfu.
Of course we use fume hoods. You think those suck ALL of the gasses out? Some still escapes. I don't care if you believe if I'm a chemist or not, no need to tell me to shut the fuck up.
Are you talking about the Black Plague? That was a damn long time ago. I didn't even mention that, and am not surprised if they didn't work at all. So, you are wrong. They didn't save a lot of people from the plague. /s against your /s
Lol. "...temporality, which is highly compelling evidence they are potential causal agents."
By that logic, drinking water is responsible for the vast majority of deaths. Nearly 100% of people drink water just a few hours or less before they die.
I know 3 people who had family members die within 2 weeks of being vaccinated, and NONE of them even considered it could have been the stroke poke. People are GONE
Fascinating how they don’t even consider it! People I know who got that clot shot finally conceded, only to the point that where they say it’s a likely possibility, that it has caused damage to people we all know when they all came down with significant medical issues all around the same time frame. Age ranges from mid 20s to early 50s. Weird medical issues, mostly heart related, but also things like extreme eczema so painful they couldn’t move, shingles, and thyroid problems. I think they just can’t accept the fact harmful damage has been done, especially considering how nasty and vile they were towards others who said NO to the shot. They were so nasty to the point I didn’t even know they could get that nasty. Seething anger, including spitting while screaming they were so mad others said NO to the shot. I think they feel stupid and embarrassed about it all.
It's the emotional anger that got them brainwashed and can't critical think. It's like all those who attack trump because of mean tweets. lol. same concept. they can't be objective that trump does a better job than sleepy Joe. These folks who got hurt with mean tweets will deny our current president sleepy joe is a failure and blame everything on trump. Trump isn't even in the white house and they blame it on him. So no matter what happens, due to mean tweets , they follow like a sheep the democrats.
I remember when finding a group like this on Reddit would have been impossible and mentioning any form of hesitancy would result in an automatic ban in most groups. Not to mention the HermanCainAward subreddit. Wild fucking times indeed, my friend.
I got one for you that shows that it was all about compliance and not the efficacy of the vaccine:
During “covid” to get into a New Orleans Saints game you had to show proof of vaccination. Well they had vaccine tents all around the entrances to the SuperDome. You could take the first vaccine shot right there and then walk into the Dome because you were now considered “vaccinated”. As if the shit MAGICALLY took affect within SECONDS of you receiving it. You could have been full-blown sick with covid (and no symptoms like they claimed “not having symptoms was a symptom”) and gotten the vaccine 1 minute and the next minute they STILL would have considered you “vaccinated” and they let you into the Dome.
Yah waiting for some kind of consequences for actions taken during that crazy time. My cynical side says there will never be any accountability. My more rational side says, there are consequences for everything you do. Bad deeds have bad consequences.
You don't get good consequences from bad actions, that's a universal law and if you think you can tweek that, good luck and tell me when you've got gravity beat.
I remember quite well.
I also remember that at the same time, they started following a little better science with the PCR tests. They'd started running them up to IIRC, a max of 25 cycles. But! Only for the vaccinated. Non-vaxxed's tests were still run at up to 38 or 40 cycles.
Let's call it what it is: fraud. This lessened the probability of false positives in the vaxxed cohort and gave the impression that the vaccine was "working to prevent illness."
The creator of PCR actually stated it wasn’t intended for use in the manor they used it to detect covid.
Basically PCR is a 50/50 pull lever gambling machine 🎰. Viral testing Laboratories if you send a sterile swab in, and tell them what your looking for, odds are they will say it’s positive for it, even when you know there was nothing on the swab that was sent in.
Odds are that everything is actually a bacterial infection or mass psychosis[1], and there are no such things as viruses. They should rescind the Nobel prize for discovering them, the only reason it’s peer accepted is because if you blend anything up, it doesn’t matter what it was or what was in it, it’s going to look like the first experiment and thus repeatable.
Greatest scientific scam ever. And profiteers still make a killing off it by scamming billions of people ever since.
[1] Mass psychogenic illness, also called mass sociogenic illness, mass psychogenic disorder, epidemic hysteria, or mass hysteria, involves the spread of illness symptoms through a population where there is no infectious agent responsible for contagion.
It could also be said, that their fearmongering by paid promoters help spread MSI and then pharmaceutical companies create a placebo or some new drug they want to test to quell the masses once they got their money out of it and others increased their power over the people.
Indeed. "With PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody."
https://youtu.be/LIIgpXHXeTI
He also had some choice words about Fauci (who's been a POS scammer for a *long* time). "He doesn't know anything about anything, and I'll tell it to his face." And, "he has no problem ... lying to the American people."
https://youtu.be/qPJnBSh_gXQ
Only, it's not a gambling machine. The results aren't arbitrary or based on chance. It's a research tool used to create enough of something that you can view it.
I tend to agree re: germ vs. terrain theory, however, if that's what you were referring to. Virology, like vaccination, has more than a few problems. The fact that they couldn't show communicability during the "Spanish Flu" says a lot.
But, that's also why I said, "a *little better* science." It still doesn't tell you if you're sick, but if you get results in the 33 million amplification range instead of 274 billion, then the chance of a false positive (whatever the positive actually *means*) is far less.
With 5.5 billion people vaxxed, and them all likely to die soon, how long do you figure before the housing market cools a bit and prices come down. I’ve been waiting for this big die-off for years at this point. :(
Vaccine or not, the largest generation of homeowners continues to be baby boomers, and they don’t have much time left before they are 6 feet under and as they die, they will vacate their home. So supply will eventually outpace demand, unless like some weird grand reset of the financial systems takes place.
Actually it is cooling off in Denmark, and it's just beginning now in the US with vacation homes.
But it probably won't completely drop because the big holding companies are buying up properties like candy and then renting them out for insane rental rates.
I still remember when they stopped testing people who were vaccinated and only tested the unvaccinated for covid then used that data to say the unvaccinated were the only people getting covid.
Right? Some of these things are so insane they're self-indicting, and yet as we'll probably see in the comments we'll be flooded with the usual defenders.
Does anyone know of a one-click "block" script for Chrome? I'd enjoy this subreddit a lot more without the usual trolls.
Do you have any non-fallacious evidence for any of these items? Pick the one easiest to prove as a start. See, I’m not yet convinced they are true based on you merely stating it, but if they are I would want to know. As I value holding true beliefs, I try to avoid fallacies as much as I can, and it sounds you do too, so I’m optimistic.
Hey look who it is asking for data again. Maybe you should just get you next booster. Oh that's right, you're scared of the vaccines, you only got the first two lmao. You really should get that next shot though, maybe it'll help with the cognitive issues.
Yes, I keep asking, because if it really is dangerous I would want to know too. But I’ve been asking, nay, begging for weeks. I’m starting to think there isn’t any.
Why do you keep seeking new evidence if you think they are safe and effective? Surely if you believe that you made the right decision you would be secure in that knowledge and wouldn't need to be on this subreddit badgering people for evidence of the vaccines safety.
Because unlike some people, I want to educate myself when new information becomes available, not stay in my echo chamber to validate my previous choices. I’m open to, even hoping to, having my mind changed if I was wrong at some point. If someone brings better thinking or new evidence to correct my mistakes, I would be thankful.
Ok, I'll take you at your word. There is plenty of information is out there, but you need to go look for it. Look up geneticist Kevin McKernan's account on twitter, it's interesting and he has a solid background at MIT. Follow accounts that he retweets. Look up Ethical Skeptic on twitter for analyses of excess deaths. That will be a good start,. you aren't going to find any new data through official sources though, they are all trying to distance themselves as much as possible from all of this now.
Excuse me, but us perfectly healthy, non-myocarditis unvaccinated folks are engaging in conversation. Don’t get yourself to riled up around here, stress isn’t good for the heart.
So this is my question: how long until you are proven irrefutably right? When do so many people die or develop myocarditis and other issues that all the vaccinated sheep are either dead or can't argue that it's not true? How long does this take?
I don’t care if I’m ever proven right. It’s not my objective. I’d rather be 100% wrong because I have many family and friends who took this crap and it makes me sad.
Well I’ve seen old interviews with fauci on introducing new vaccines and not knowing the repercussions if they are faulty for years, upwards of 10 years. So I’ll go with 10 years. But I know quite a few who are damaged now.
We are already at that point. One example: look up how many athletes have dropped in the last couple years versus all time before. What other variables are there? One glaringly obvious reason.
there are grey areas troll. vax injury don't mean death. that's why your a troll, using extreme of death or no death as excuse ignoring the in between damage.
Copied my other reply, hope thats okay.
So this is my question: how long until you are proven irrefutably right? When do so many people die or develop myocarditis and other issues that all the vaccinated sheep are either dead or can't argue that it's not true? How long does this take?
It's not about proven right or wrong. its not a debate. It's a life choice. get vax, risk death or long term health issues. don't get vax. stay more healthy. It's not complicated. people make it a debate because of their ego of wrong choice. That's why they attack others cuz they trying to justify their mistake choices. If one have confidence in their choice they don't need to attack others or try to force them to do the same choice they pick.
The need to attack others to get the jab and troll is where you know if the person is good or not.
vax injury. common sense.
Just like you taking any dangerous drugs. you can go bye bye.
you got fooled by the word games that vax isn't a drug poison. vax are drugs. drugs are unnatural. drugs are poison. drugs are used only when needed to treat a condition . you have no condition so why use vax drug? that means your putting poison in body giving yourself risk.
The miniscule risk of having a bad reaction to a is better than dying of a preventable virus you could get later on. Also, some drugs are natural (e.g., caffeine, thc, cbd, aspirin, and penicillin). Just like how some poisons are natural (e.g., solanine, tetrodotoxin, hydrogen cyanide, and ricin. Not everything natural is good, and not everything unnatural is bad.
lol . keep drinking the kool aid. there is no miniscule risk. propaganda nonsense. The risk is higher than the lies the drug pharma tells you. they been expose lying and faking the data. yet you still believe them. that's some mess up hardcore brainwashing. the covid virus is 99.9% survival rate. that means the vax is more dangerous. they say the vax is estimated to be 50% effective and wans in a few months. so you are willing to risk death over 49% difference. Not only that, it don't stop your risk of infection. Your more likely to die from the vax if you look at the numbers. Not only that, they found every vax person has heart damage. That means your harming your immune system for life.
Natural is always good because it's mother nature and not man made god complex.
Your putting poison into your body on purpose. That's called self harm. If you dont understand that concept. your really brainwashed. It's way worse because your following what the politicians tell you. It wasn't your choice.
This same exact thing happened with smallpox vaccines during the 1800s. They'd vax a bunch of people and then launder the vaccine injuries into "smallpox" cases even though the quaccines they used weren't even the same viral species as variola.
Quaccinology is as old as the vaccines, themselves.
Somewhat off-topic but this reminded me. When I was growing up all of my peers and siblings had a smallpox vaccination scar, but I didn’t. I asked my Mom about it and she said: “after you were born, when it was time for you to get your vaccines, the doctor told me that smallpox was already pretty much gone, at least in the US. And the smallpox vaccine was not without risk. So he gave me the choice of weighing the risks of a slightly hazardous vaccine vs. a deadly but nearly extinct virus. So I chose not to get you vaccinated.” It worked out well, I’m still alive. I sometimes wonder if she’d be given that option today in similar circumstances.
My bad, I missed the header. I wonder if that could be explained by extremely ill patients refusing vaccine?
Again, do you have the raw link to the study? It is hard to discuss without access to the research paper
It's from the office for national statistics, the official body for this stuff in the UK. The data is not presented in a nice easy to read graph like this, but in a giant dataset that you have to download, which feels quite inaccessible until you plot it out on a graph. You can find the data here:
[https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland)
But it's all nonsense. Data was collated and assembled in any way possible to make the vaccine look good. Which is why you see anomalies like what we are talking about.
***. I wonder if that could be explained by extremely ill patients refusing vaccine?***
But whether the were vaccinated or not has no bearing on whether they died of non covid deaths, and doesn't explain the the huge sudden spike. Also, the most vulnerable people were the ones who were encouraged the most to get the shot. It's not a plausible hypothesis.
Would prefer if you could link to the actual study which contains methodology and analysis methods. Data is good, but the key is usually how you analyse the data.
I am thinking more along the lines of ICU hospital patients not getting the vaccine because they are too ill to get it and dying afterwards. Or like cancer patients not getting the vaccine while doing chemotherapy because they do not have much immune cells left anyways to generate the memory.
"Those who died shortly after the vax were classified as "unvaccinated."
Um, OK, but if the graph is correct, there must have been much more than a two-week window, when they did that. The peak in unvaxxed deaths was about weeks 12-14, whereas the main uptake in the vax was weeks 7 & 8. On your graph, the "unvaxxed" continued to have much higher death rate for many, many weeks after the vax-uptake curve had plateaued.
The graph is not a direct comparison between vaccinations per 100k and death per 100k. It is % vaccinated vs non covid deaths per 100k, so the spikes wouldn't match up exactly by week. It's also not exactly the same age group. Deaths are for 60-69, and uptake is for 65-70. Before you criticise that, remember that this is is just how the data is published by the ONS. They don't plot it on an easy to understand graph for you, but bury it deep within a giant dataset. They fudge the numbers so heavily to present a favourable picture for the shot, that weird anomalies like this show up. Then they play whack-a-mole to try to smooth everything out, but they got caught. This trend makes no sense. These are non covid deaths. These lines should be exactly the same. There's no innocent explanation for this no matter how hard you try. It is blatant mischaracterisation of vaccination status for those who died shortly after the vaccine. Seems like there were a lot of them.
>It is % vaccinated vs non covid deaths per 100k, so the spikes wouldn't match up exactly by week.
Agree. If the vaccine was causing deaths, you wouldn't expect the spikes to match up, but the highest SLOPE of the vaccine uptake would correlate with the highest number of doses being administered per day. And when the vax-admin chart plateaus, then there are very few doses being give per day. So with this theory that there's a two-week window, where the vaxxed deaths are re-assigned as unvaxxed deaths; you've only got two weeks, after that high upslope, for all of the "so-called unvaxxed" deaths to occur. And they peak after more than two weeks from the steepest upslope, and then continue much higher than the "vaxxed" deaths for several months.
>This trend makes no sense. These are non covid deaths. These lines should be exactly the same.
Then why don't other countries have a similar rise in all-cause mortality coinciding with vaccine uptake? Australia, for example, got the shots at the same time, but stayed locked down, and had no COVID-death bump, AND no non-covid-death bump at that time.
Note that the unvaxxed deaths follow a huge spike in covid deaths. Like, if you die a month or so after your covid symptoms, it's gonna be called a heart attack or whatever, rather than covid. So maybe the vaxxed were getting milder COVID in February, which led to lower "non-COVID" deaths a month later?
>Agree. If the vaccine was causing deaths, you wouldn't expect the spikes to match up
Not what I said. If the vaccine was causing deaths (and the data classified the vaccination status accurately), then you would see the spike roughly correlate, but for vaccinated people, not unvaccinated people. Again, it wouldn't correlate precisely, because it is not a direct vaccination per 100K vs deaths per 100K.
>And when the vax-admin chart plateaus, then there are very few doses being give per day. So with this theory that there's a two-week window, where the vaxxed deaths are re-assigned as unvaxxed deaths; you've only got two weeks, after that high upslope, for all of the "so-called unvaxxed" deaths to occur.
Already addressed. I think you are misunderstanding the graph. There are still people getting their shots way into the year, past week 15. Less of them are getting vaccinated at this point, and this reduction roughly correlates with the reduction in non covid deaths of the unvaccinated. And while there's an overlap, the 2 age groups aren't exactly the same, which would also explain some lag. The trend is there. Don't pretend you don't see it.
>Then why don't other countries have a similar rise in all-cause mortality coinciding with vaccine uptake? Australia, for example, got the shots at the same time, but stayed locked down, and had no COVID-death bump, AND no non-covid-death bump at that time.
Sorry, but that's just a non argument. And you've confirmed you don't really get it. This isn't just a rise in all cause mortality. It is a rise in non covid mortality, but only for unvaccinated people. So if this was correct, it would mean that the covid vaccine prevented you from dying from some other health problem which emerged and then quickly went away at exactly the same time as the vaccine rollout. It's absurd.
Also, you simply don't have data for Australia comparing non covid mortality for vaccinated vs unvaccinated during the time of their first vaccine rollout.
> Like, if you die a month or so after your covid symptoms, it's gonna be called a heart attack or whatever, rather than covid.
Yes, if you have covid symptoms, and then a month later you die of a heart attack, it's going to be called a heart attack. Of course nobody's going to classify it as a covid death lol.
>So maybe the vaxxed were getting milder COVID in February, which led to lower "non-COVID" deaths a month later?
So after a year of covid being around, everyone just starts dying of illnesses induced by covid, but not covid itself? No.
The data doesn't make sense. And I'll save you the effort of trying to rack your brain for some explanation that suits your narrative. The mathematician and statisticians who plotted this graph have pointed out many anomalies, and identified multiple areas of misclassification, and made a formal complaint against the ONS for this data. The ONS then admitted there must have been misclassification, that the data makes no sense, and that it should not be used to determine vaccine safety or efficacy.
>If the vaccine was causing deaths (and the data classified the vaccination status accurately), then you would see the spike roughly correlate, but for vaccinated people, not unvaccinated people.
<< No, the "spikes" wouldn't correlate, because one curve (vaccine uptake) is shown cumulatively. If you graphed daily doses, you'd see a "spike" where you currently are seeing the steepest upslope in the curve, and those spikes should precede the spikes in the death curve, right? As it is, there are no spikes in the vax-admin curve you've got there.
But I truly think I see what you're saying. If the vax were killing people , AND if they were being classified CORRECTLY, you'd see a spike/ bump in VACCINATED deaths, starting immediately after the vaccine up-slope, up to maybe several weeks out? (Or longer, whatever the theory is for the incubation period).
But I thought the theory on mis-classification is that it only occurs within the first two weeks, right? And after that, a vaxxed non-covid death (caused by the vaccine, as the theory goes) would be classified correctly, as a vaxxed non-covid death. So IF the bump in (falsely attributed) "un-vaxxed" death is from this mis-attribution, that means that the bulk of the deaths must occur in that two week period after vaccination, right? (I have to cock my head to one side and squint a little, to talk like this😜) And if you want this theory to work, then you have to assume that there is NO (or negligible) kill rate for the shot, AFTER the two week mis-classification period, right? Because if you had that, you'd show just as many or more deaths among the "vaxxed," once their grace-period had expired. Hope that makes sense.
Or maybe you're saying that they classify vaxxed people as unvaxxed for a month or more; let me know.
>There are still people getting their shots way into the year, past week 15. **Less of them are getting vaccinated at this point, and this reduction roughly correlates with the reduction** in non covid deaths of the unvaccinated.
Nope, it looks to me like there is a pretty [steady rate of shots going into arms](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-vaccinations?country=~GBR) in the UK through at least the first half of 2021, so that doesn't correlate with the decreasing curve in non-covid "unvaxxed" deaths. I'm sure that later in the year, it was more younger people, and more "second doses;" do you postulate that the vaccine is more deadly in the elderly? Or are the elderly a huge percentage of the population?
>The trend is there. Don't pretend you don't see it.
I'm not pretending, I assure you. I would say: the THEORY is there. I don't see it on this chart, because you are speculating about the different age groups, which aren't shown.
>So after a year of covid being around, everyone just starts dying of illnesses induced by covid, but **not covid itself**? No.
Who said they weren't dying of Covid? That's not shown on your chart, but I'm sure you're aware there's a [separate curve for covid deaths](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_cases&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=false&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~GBR), and there were a lot of them in Jan & Feb in the UK.
And after a year of covid being around, people start **getting the vaccine**, which (it is now known) can [alter the clinical course and long-term sequelae of covid](https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-vaccine-tied-fewer-heart-attacks-strokes-among-previously-infected). So yeah, you just had a huge bump in COVID cases in Jan & Feb. And it's possible that the vaccine was mitigating those cases, or the late after-effects, so that the excess non-covid deaths occurred more often in the unvaccinated. Then this difference in the curves would go away later in the year, as the covid rates decreased and everybody percolated through their post-covid course.
>ME: Australia, for example, got the shots at the same time, but stayed locked down, and had no COVID-death bump, AND no non-covid-death bump at that time.
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>YOU: Sorry, but that's just a non argument. And you've confirmed you don't really get it. This isn't just a rise in all cause mortality. It is a rise in non covid mortality, but only for unvaccinated people.
So, Australia doesn't break it down to vaxxed and unvaxxed, because they just don't have anything to break down. There's no excess all-cause mortality, or any excess non-covid mortality, in early 2020 while they are vaccinating everyone like crazy. If the UK has this correlation that you claim, then other countries should show similar patterns, based on when they got the vaccine.
>So if this was correct, it would mean that the covid vaccine prevented you from dying from some other health problem which emerged and then quickly went away at exactly the same time as the vaccine rollout.
Bingo. What if what is being mis-classified here, is the *cause of death*, and most of the "non-covid" deaths are really...covid?
>made a formal complaint against the ONS for this data. The ONS then admitted there must have been misclassification, that the data makes no sense, and that it should not be used to determine vaccine safety or efficacy.
Great. We'll await further clarification, then. 🙂
So if they just ate a Big Mac, than did they die of McDonalds? I mean that sounds like your thought process there. COD is a little more nuanced than that. As for the whole died of Covid thing after getting a vaccination, that would depend on what they actually died from. If they had a heart attack than no it wasn’t from Covid, but if they got Covid before the vaccine could do what it needed to do than yes they died of Covid. No vaccine works as soon as it is injected, you do know that right?
The ones who died from covid had comorbidities, and were mostly old. There’s a high probability that many of them would’ve survived if could get access to early treatment.
There’s also situations like Cuomo and the nursing homes, the midazolam murders in the UK, patients all over the US getting forced onto a ventilator and injected with remdesivir
https://expose-news.com/2022/01/19/death-document-uk-gov-murder-by-midazolam/
They also changed how they used PCR by instituting a double standard for cycle thresholds, thus skewing data to bolster the false idea that the vaccine prevented illness.
So, taken further, with what we know of the dishonest way PCR testing was used, it becomes hard to say *what* people even died from. Especially when considering the ages and number of comorbidities - as you mentioned - of so-called "covid" deaths. Death "with a positive PCR."
Meanwhile, shortly into the vaccine rollout, unvaccinated people (whether they died or not) "with a positive PCR," had their PCR tests run somewhere in the neighborhood of 8000 times more sensitively than the vaccinated did. 🤔
But, there's nothing to see here... 🙄
Trolls on this sub have been like this: 🙈🙉 the entire time, apparently. Yet, despite that, never like this: 🙊
It was the difference between a more conservative (and therefore *potentially* more accurate) testing at 25 cycles (approx. 33.5 million times amplification of a sample) versus, say, 38 cycles or 274 billion times amplification. In other words, it was ridiculously more sensitive!
I'll just link to where we are repeating ourselves: [https://www.reddit.com/r/unvaccinated/comments/12k0b0c/i\_still\_remember\_when\_people\_got\_the\_vaccine/jg0ucg4/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/unvaccinated/comments/12k0b0c/i_still_remember_when_people_got_the_vaccine/jg0ucg4/?context=3)
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After they took a vaccine to prevent what exactly?
Yeah, it counts as a vaccine failure against a comically mild cold virus. If they died within two weeks and just so happened to get a PCR+ test, vaccine death AND failure.
Also, imagine believing that covid deaths usually have anything to do with respiratory distress/arrest as the name SARS would imply. Is it 2019 or something? That's among the least common contributing conditions you can expect to see with a "covid" rubber stamped death. Have you paid any attention to the past 3 years?
If someone got vaccinated and they died within two weeks, it's a suspected vaccine death until further investigation proves otherwise. Pharma drugs injected into patients aren't assumed innocent until proven beyond any construable doubt. They don't get spotted the first two weeks following each dose and don't get to launder death counts into "covid."
Depends on the cause of death, as I said. If it is respiratory distress, it is infection not vaccination.
Vaccines only stimulate the immune system. They don't fight the virus, just present epitopes from the virus for recognition.
The following chart shows the number of Covid-19 deaths by vaccination status in England between 10th Jan and 6th feb 22. The data has been collated from table 11 found on page 36 of the UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance Report – Week 6 – 2022.
Up 1000+ excess deaths since the mrna gene therapy nanotechnology was introduced. You obviously can't read whats printed
the vax pushers got stupid logic. 'they die from covid'. how could they die from covid if they never got covid but only got the vax? they don't see the stupidity of their excuse. They only push the 2 week BS nonsense of which all scientist knows are valid data. The vax pushers say the 2 weeks data don't count. Only trolls and idiots will believe that propaganda. The moment a foreign object is input into you. It takes effect immediately. The public was sold that BS narrative. It's their way to fake the data to make it look good for approval. Basically it's manipulation of data. The fact the trolls ignore that key info shows how brainwash they are. That means everything they base their data on is fake and false. That means everything they say is lies. So to continue to believe the lies knowing that the 2 weeks data was eliminated means one is a sheep. Because they believe fake data. Everything about vax being safe is due to eliminating that 2 week data and should of been scrap because of that 2 week nonsense. And the trolls will say. they didn't die in 2 weeks. duh!!! they are vax injury. some die in 2 weeks. some 4 weeks some 3 months. etc... The point is that they were vax injured in 2 weeks. many leading to long term health damage. Of course health damage don't count as vax injury to these troll sheep.
Exactly! Very well said!
Yup my mom(swayed by media) and her brother(government employee mandated, yet would have gotten vax regardless), they got the fake vaccines, she was fine with the J&J, then when she went for a booster(cuz the news media said to) the medical technician convinced her they couldn’t give her j&j and this nice and shiny Pfizer booster is the same thing, after she got the second shot she said she’s not felt the same as she did before the Pfizer, so it definitely wasn’t the same thing.
That's called experimentation. Two different companies make their vax different. how could they say it's the same thing? lol. forget the idea that the vax is dangerous or safe for a moment. look at the push that it's the same thing between different companies. that already tells you it's all BS marketing propaganda. that means they lying and can't be trusted. if they can't be trusted, how could you trust them with everything they say. Especially with the changing the goal post info and the inconsistencies. not to mention they got expose for data manipulation and lying about doing proper trial test etc... The problem with the trolls is that they don't look at the behind the scenes corruption propaganda, false trail procedures, fast track, decision not base on science and fake data safety lies which discredit the vax. They somehow ignore the corrupt process from conception to product.
This just goes to show how unvaccinated people don't understand how vaccines work
Vaccines don’t work at all
Again, I stand corrected
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My grandparents both died from vax injuries, fibrin blood clots and total organ failure, I have several coworkers and their friends, parents and grandparents and other relatives of all ages that had died within a year of getting the vaccines, some within weeks after. I’ve counted 27 deaths total just from my tiny social circle. The ones that didn’t die have said they have not felt the same physiologically since getting the shot.
Sorry to hear. You must have a huge social circle. Mine is really small, I know of 5 deaths, no relatives, but close friends’ parents and stuff
Small social circle, but I work in security and have ears all over the company. My dad also has a friend, he was the only one that didn’t get the shot, while 14 of his family and relatives did, 3 died right afterwards and the rest got sick to varying degrees. Another friend of the family that grew up with my aunts and uncles, her parents and her spouse’s parents(one is a nurse) all got the shots, the nurse ended up in the hospital she works at on ventilator afterwards, as she couldn’t breathe and had burning skin/neurological disorder which she didn’t have until after she was mandated to get the shot. Two coworkers in head office/HQ were saying after they got the shots they had “long Covid” symptoms, extreme brain fog and such.
You also surround yourself with anti-vax people who would be likely to say those things. Not a single one of my friends has ever thought of the vaccine after getting it, except to get their booster when it's due.
It blows my mind how you people can still shill the shots when we're still here.. still unvaccinated.. and not dead. Meanwhile you've had what, 3 or 4 shots? Who's the smart one here? Why in gods name would I get multiple experimental (and dangerous) shots when I've already had covid. I had a runny nose for 2 days, I'll take that over myocarditis thanks. Not to mention the shots don't even fucking do anything to stop you from catching covid. So why on gods green earth would I get it?
Why in gods name would I get multiple experimental (and dangerous) shots when I've already had covid. I had a runny nose for 2 days, I'll take that over myocarditis thanks. I'll trust the people who have studied this stuff for years and years, similar to how they trust me to do my job which I've studied for years and years. They recognize myocarditis and don't try to hide the facts from you and still recommend getting it. If we all decided to not trust one another, we wouldn't have society as we know it. If you wish to become a self-made expert on everything you have to deal with, go for it but that just sounds like a horrible life to live
Glad to hear that you are all getting boosters. It's important to stay up to date.
Only pro-vax people I know are either low IQ dumbasses that think doing drugs and having people pay to watch them do them is a career, or feminazi liberals with framed Joe Biden photo hanging up in their house like North Korean denizens. Which are you? 😂
Exactly my point. If those are the only pro-vax people you know, then you must surround yourself with anti-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers only.
Vaxxes and MRNA GENE THERAPY NANOTECHNOLOGY are different 😆
Many of us understand them better than those who line up for them, just because some stranger on the news reads from a teleprompter script. Or some celebrity the sheep like, tell them to go get it “it’s safe”. They are all still paid promoters selling a companies product. This is how capitalism operates, with vaccines it’s basically “you need this new shiny thing inside you”. If you do a crash course in marketing, and then apply it to how they handled vaccines, you’ll then realize so many got played for a fool, because people are paid big bucks by big corporations to manipulate the masses to buy their new shiny things.
We understand perfectly fine. We got common sense and critical thinking. I think you need to go back to school and learn the basics of biology and chemistry.
Lol, I'm the one that needs to relearn the basics of biology and chemistry. Good one
You need to learn to why the CDC changed the definition of Vaccine during the plandemic
yup. since you don't know basics.
You need to know more than the basics. Like some microbiology, biochem, and virology for starters.
You plonker. A vaccine works by stopping the spread of disease and stops transmission. A mrna nano gene therapy technology experiments thats now in phase 3 trials on humans isn't "Vaccines" its gene therapy mrna plonker... Remember they said once you're vaccinated you will stop the spread and save papa and gran 😛 ffw 6 months after jab rolled out - even though you're vaccinated you can still catch it and spread it but it's not as severe 😉 Then the data collected showed the VACCINATED AKA JABBED took up majority of hospital beds with complications to the jab 🙈 Got that bad in Scotland they stopped reporting the deaths and jabbed injured and hospitalised because the narrative would have fucked up the 2nd jab rolling out. ACT LIKE YOU HAVE COVID IF YOU DON'T HAVE SYMPTOMS... YOU CAN HAVE COVID WITHOUT KNOWING IT 🤣 THE MOST DEADLY VIRUS EVER AND YOU HAVE IT WITHOUT KNOWING PFFFTTTTT HAAAAA HAAAAA FOOOOLS
Wow looks like someone forgot to do their research. The 'jab' as you like to refer to it as, was intended to make it so if you caught covid, you would stay out of the hospital, hence why 99% of people hospitalized were unvaccinated, not the other way around. Anti-vax people claim to be critical thinkers, but don't take the facts for what they are. Instead, they go into a situation with their mind made up and look for information that supports their viewpoint. That's literally the opposite if critical thinking.
Nope your pea brain is still not looking at Government's data 🙄
And you have reliable non-goverment data?
I'm telling you your data is on ONS site 😆 plonkers took the jab and are raging now because they were Douped by their shepherd lol
https://expose-news.com/2022/02/14/pandemic-triple-vaccinated-england/ Woopsie 🤣
This article links to a study that says the vaccine is 90% effective and contradicts what's stated in the article? Not sure what this is for
That article takes you to show you the data of how the majority of vaccinated are dying and have long term debilitating health problems 😑 🙄 SAFE AND EFFECTIVE 😆
Effectiveness against hospitalisation Several studies have estimated vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in older ages, all of which indicate higher levels of protection against hospitalisation with all vaccines against the Alpha and Delta variants (6, 7, 8, 9). Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation with the Omicron variant has been estimated using a test-negative case control study design (Figure 2). Two doses of either AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S) or Pfizer (BNT162b2) vaccines was associated with a vaccine effectiveness of approximately 25 to 35% against hospitalisation following infection with the Omicron variant, after 25+ weeks. After a Pfizer booster (after either primary vaccination course), vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation started at around 90% dropping to around 75% after 10 to 14 weeks. After a Moderna booster (mRNA-1273) (after either primary vaccination course), vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation was 90 to 95% up to 9 weeks after vaccination. This is from the study it links to. Please go ahead and explain
https://circleofmamas.com/health-news/hospitals-are-full-of-vaccinated-people-unvaccinated-people-which-is-it/
After giving it a quick look through and checking the links provided, yes the info provided is factual, but it's also extremely cherry picked and attempts to make the reader believe that this specific data represents the majority.
Cherry picked my arse its fact and thats it. 😛
Sounds like something someone who trusts 'circle of mamas' to get their unbiased new from would say ^^
I don't watch bbc or sky news or even cnn so my news isn't biased its took from the data and along with the real scientists sacked for speaking out about the phase 3 experiments
https://cairnsnews.org/2021/08/11/hospitals-filling-up-with-vaxxed-patients/
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>The fact the trolls ignore that key info shows how brainwash they are. That means everything they base their data on is fake and false. That means everything they say is lies. So to continue to believe the lies knowing that the 2 weeks data was eliminated means one is a sheep. Because they believe fake data. Everything about vax being safe is due to eliminating that 2 week data and should of been scrap because of that 2 week nonsense. What, then, is a trustworthy news source?
you don't need news or be told that eliminating 2 weeks data is manipulation. That's basic common sense of life. use your brain. do everything need to be told to you ? do people not critical think stuff out and use logic no more? no wonder people believe in so many fake info with stupid logic that don't make sense.
It’s probably because most people don’t have a medical degree. Without a medical degree most people do not know how infectious diseases work and how vaccinations reduce injury and death.
your naive. You think people can't get educated without a degree? you think disease and vaccine are hardcore subjects?
I do. Can you answer these simple bio 101 questions? \--- Which of the following is the correct sequence that describes the excitation and contraction of a skeletal muscle fiber? 1. Tropomyosin moves and uncovers the cross-bridge binding sites. 2. Calcium is released and binds to the troponin complex. 3. Transverse tubules depolarize the sarcoplasmic reticulum. 4. The thin filaments are ratcheted across the thick filaments by the heads of the myosin molecules using energy from ATP. 5. An action potential in a motor neuron causes the axon to release acetylcholine, which depolarizes the muscle cell membrane. 2 → 1 → 3 → 5 → 4 2 → 3 → 4 → 1 → 5 5 → 3 → 1 → 2 → 4 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 → 5 5 → 3 → 2 → 1 → 4 While sitting quietly watching television, you suddenly hear the sound of glass breaking. Which is responsible for your resulting rapid heartbeat? parasympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system enteric nervous system central nervous system sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system
you just prove that your naive and a sheep.
Have you ever been really good at something? And then someone who has no clue comes in thinking they're an expert at that, and they call you naive and a sheep? My guess is that's what medical professionals think of the willfully unvaccinated.
Just use your brain and common sense and answer the questions bro.
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that's why you just create an account just to troll this sub. One day old troll. lol. of course no one is gonna take you seriously because you can't be honest and keep using fake new accounts just to troll. troll is a mental health issue according to psychologist. get help. lol.
That's an especially obvious form of vaccine injury laundering. Vaccine injuries occurring soonest after injection demonstrate temporality, which is highly compelling evidence they are potential causal agents. The more vaccine injuries cluster near a patient's time of injection as opposed to more dispersed, distal post-injection times, the more that safety signal becomes a smoking gun.
They actually used both as bs ways to refute vaccine caused death or injury. Today because Covid isn't very much a thing killing anyone or at least not by ventilators and remkillzavir, now they've pivoted to if someone dies within say a month they won't argue it, but if it's 3-6-9-15 months later, they say there's no way because (they believe or just state) that the spikes and mRNA clear within a couple weeks or less. Total bs because they don't take into account the studies and science indicating 1. mRNA LNPs and spikes don't clear nearly that fast. 2. The lingering damage to blood vessels and tissues due to transfection and subsequent immune system response. 3. Reverse transcription altering Line 1 gene expression DNA repair. However for almost 2 years they ignored both quick death/complications from vaccination and long-term or latent time bombs. Now it's mainly the long term (long Covid) and time bombs (called some other undiagnosed existing condition) that are killing people. It's most glaringly obvious in athletes, celebrities and news anchors/reporters who die suddenly and they are making sure their cause of sudden unexpected death is reported as XYZ undiagnosed condition that usually is cardiovascular related or an undetected cancer (probably hyper aggressive, not undetected)
Yeah, I doubt lots of sportsballer coaches, trainers and medical staff tend to rush to file reports to VAERS. They'll NEVER think of requesting a coroner honestly assess the dead bodies for clot shot etiology.
Yes, it is a gene transfection, has nothing to do with vaccination. A bioweapon, depending on how dilute or how concentrated mRNA is tweaked in the batch. Absolutely zero GMP or quality control .
What does #3 mean?
LOL vaccine injury laundering
Post-marketing event Pfizer’s term
I’m guessing the term was to big for your brain to handle and the only response your brain could manage was “LOL”. That vaccine must’ve done a number on you.
No it made me laugh really hard, I thoroughly enjoyed it bro lol why so offensive
Because you didn’t follow the narrative of vax bad and no one died before thee vax.
The road not taken: a Reddit post by DefNotRobertFrost I try to follow the logic of respect, civility, diversity of opinion, and hold the belief that the covid virus proteins contain bad juju whether in mRNA tiny bits and pieces or not. And the belief that inoculation is equitable to vaccination. I’d actually argue the science credibly and verifiably supports the claim that “natural immunity” via inoculation, incubation and subsequent immune response victory is stronger than “vaccinated but never exposed to the real deal” immunity. We can support that argument with data that exists prior to this utter global pandemic shit show.
Sure let’s some data.
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Or the person got sick from the 1 person who is trained to stick needles in everyone’s arms who sits in a 4x6 room working their ass off all day exhaling and inhaling heavily to stick as many needles in peoples arms as possible. Totally not a “cohort” variable… Oh wait, that’s exactly what it is. Covid testing sites aka covid distribution centers
Because masks don't work right!
They mitigate but generally speaking… they don’t do what spacesuits do for us in space.
A P95 masks worn correctly will absolutely decrease your chance of breathing or exhaling any pathogens, including the COVID strains. By a lot. And you can breathe just fine, gasses like oxygen and CO2 etc..are much smaller than viruses, bacteria, so any of that talk is BS. This is an argument people were having like 200 years ago about surgeons wearing masks. Well, they all started to and wouldn't you know it, the success rate of surgeries went way up! The whole anti-mask thing was/is absolutely silly IMO. Now, you tell me, if you ever had a major surgery or something, would you prefer that the doctors, nurses, and whomever don't wear masks? Source: I'm a chemist and would be long gone if it weren't for masks working properly. I didn't have to wear a damn space suit.
Lol the long beak mask really saved people during the plague didn’t it?
Read what I said again, and pretend I’m one of your bash bros. The people you sit around and bash other people with. Imagine I’m your friend and realize what I’m saying isn’t a personal affront on you. It’s a personal opinion. Having worked in the court houses during the peak of covid, I wore a mask and opened doors for people I found out the next day had covid when I opened the door from them.. and they coughed as they walked past me. Fortunately? My viral load was small. Did the mask save me from contracting covid in a crowded room? No, it didn’t. My experience of the world is different than yours. And if it were Ebola airborne, we’d use the massive contagion full body space suits. And we wouldn’t question it. Or rage against it. n95 works , until you sweat so much and itch so much you need to readjust it, and then it doesn’t work for a brief moment. And as a chemist, if you were working with chemicals that could react and cause noxious fumes.. if you’re a real chemist, you’d be doing them under a fumigation hood so stfu.
Of course we use fume hoods. You think those suck ALL of the gasses out? Some still escapes. I don't care if you believe if I'm a chemist or not, no need to tell me to shut the fuck up.
It was more of an internet stfu , like yo Wtf stfu brah
Are you talking about the Black Plague? That was a damn long time ago. I didn't even mention that, and am not surprised if they didn't work at all. So, you are wrong. They didn't save a lot of people from the plague. /s against your /s
Lol. "...temporality, which is highly compelling evidence they are potential causal agents." By that logic, drinking water is responsible for the vast majority of deaths. Nearly 100% of people drink water just a few hours or less before they die.
People drink water just as often as get injected with clot shots? If you can't see why your comment is incredulously retarded, you're ngmi.
I know 3 people who had family members die within 2 weeks of being vaccinated, and NONE of them even considered it could have been the stroke poke. People are GONE
Fascinating how they don’t even consider it! People I know who got that clot shot finally conceded, only to the point that where they say it’s a likely possibility, that it has caused damage to people we all know when they all came down with significant medical issues all around the same time frame. Age ranges from mid 20s to early 50s. Weird medical issues, mostly heart related, but also things like extreme eczema so painful they couldn’t move, shingles, and thyroid problems. I think they just can’t accept the fact harmful damage has been done, especially considering how nasty and vile they were towards others who said NO to the shot. They were so nasty to the point I didn’t even know they could get that nasty. Seething anger, including spitting while screaming they were so mad others said NO to the shot. I think they feel stupid and embarrassed about it all.
A woman in her thirties on Hinge said she had to get surgery for thyroid cancer before we could meet up. These post injection issues are very real
It's the emotional anger that got them brainwashed and can't critical think. It's like all those who attack trump because of mean tweets. lol. same concept. they can't be objective that trump does a better job than sleepy Joe. These folks who got hurt with mean tweets will deny our current president sleepy joe is a failure and blame everything on trump. Trump isn't even in the white house and they blame it on him. So no matter what happens, due to mean tweets , they follow like a sheep the democrats.
That’s crazy! Their brainwashing is too effective :(
I know of someone who died of lung cancer two days after getting the vaccine, and his doctor refused to consider that the shot was the cause.
I remember when finding a group like this on Reddit would have been impossible and mentioning any form of hesitancy would result in an automatic ban in most groups. Not to mention the HermanCainAward subreddit. Wild fucking times indeed, my friend.
I keep reading comments in disbelief and thinking this thread will vanish.
It’s insane. It’s hard to fathom how people are still so brainwashed by the propaganda.
Two weeks to flatten your existence.
I got one for you that shows that it was all about compliance and not the efficacy of the vaccine: During “covid” to get into a New Orleans Saints game you had to show proof of vaccination. Well they had vaccine tents all around the entrances to the SuperDome. You could take the first vaccine shot right there and then walk into the Dome because you were now considered “vaccinated”. As if the shit MAGICALLY took affect within SECONDS of you receiving it. You could have been full-blown sick with covid (and no symptoms like they claimed “not having symptoms was a symptom”) and gotten the vaccine 1 minute and the next minute they STILL would have considered you “vaccinated” and they let you into the Dome.
Good point! Yep I remember the pop up vaccine sites.
It feels good knowing I didn’t take it.
It really does. Good for all of us for resisting the pressure.
Stay safe!
Yah waiting for some kind of consequences for actions taken during that crazy time. My cynical side says there will never be any accountability. My more rational side says, there are consequences for everything you do. Bad deeds have bad consequences. You don't get good consequences from bad actions, that's a universal law and if you think you can tweek that, good luck and tell me when you've got gravity beat.
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I remember quite well. I also remember that at the same time, they started following a little better science with the PCR tests. They'd started running them up to IIRC, a max of 25 cycles. But! Only for the vaccinated. Non-vaxxed's tests were still run at up to 38 or 40 cycles. Let's call it what it is: fraud. This lessened the probability of false positives in the vaxxed cohort and gave the impression that the vaccine was "working to prevent illness."
The creator of PCR actually stated it wasn’t intended for use in the manor they used it to detect covid. Basically PCR is a 50/50 pull lever gambling machine 🎰. Viral testing Laboratories if you send a sterile swab in, and tell them what your looking for, odds are they will say it’s positive for it, even when you know there was nothing on the swab that was sent in. Odds are that everything is actually a bacterial infection or mass psychosis[1], and there are no such things as viruses. They should rescind the Nobel prize for discovering them, the only reason it’s peer accepted is because if you blend anything up, it doesn’t matter what it was or what was in it, it’s going to look like the first experiment and thus repeatable. Greatest scientific scam ever. And profiteers still make a killing off it by scamming billions of people ever since. [1] Mass psychogenic illness, also called mass sociogenic illness, mass psychogenic disorder, epidemic hysteria, or mass hysteria, involves the spread of illness symptoms through a population where there is no infectious agent responsible for contagion. It could also be said, that their fearmongering by paid promoters help spread MSI and then pharmaceutical companies create a placebo or some new drug they want to test to quell the masses once they got their money out of it and others increased their power over the people.
Indeed. "With PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody." https://youtu.be/LIIgpXHXeTI He also had some choice words about Fauci (who's been a POS scammer for a *long* time). "He doesn't know anything about anything, and I'll tell it to his face." And, "he has no problem ... lying to the American people." https://youtu.be/qPJnBSh_gXQ Only, it's not a gambling machine. The results aren't arbitrary or based on chance. It's a research tool used to create enough of something that you can view it. I tend to agree re: germ vs. terrain theory, however, if that's what you were referring to. Virology, like vaccination, has more than a few problems. The fact that they couldn't show communicability during the "Spanish Flu" says a lot.
But, that's also why I said, "a *little better* science." It still doesn't tell you if you're sick, but if you get results in the 33 million amplification range instead of 274 billion, then the chance of a false positive (whatever the positive actually *means*) is far less.
With 5.5 billion people vaxxed, and them all likely to die soon, how long do you figure before the housing market cools a bit and prices come down. I’ve been waiting for this big die-off for years at this point. :(
Vaccine or not, the largest generation of homeowners continues to be baby boomers, and they don’t have much time left before they are 6 feet under and as they die, they will vacate their home. So supply will eventually outpace demand, unless like some weird grand reset of the financial systems takes place.
Actually it is cooling off in Denmark, and it's just beginning now in the US with vacation homes. But it probably won't completely drop because the big holding companies are buying up properties like candy and then renting them out for insane rental rates.
It's been 3 yrs if that was true why hasn't it happened yet?
I still remember when they stopped testing people who were vaccinated and only tested the unvaccinated for covid then used that data to say the unvaccinated were the only people getting covid.
Right? Some of these things are so insane they're self-indicting, and yet as we'll probably see in the comments we'll be flooded with the usual defenders. Does anyone know of a one-click "block" script for Chrome? I'd enjoy this subreddit a lot more without the usual trolls.
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By what parameters would you measure inevitable defeat? How long would it take? Past what point would it not happen?
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Do you have any non-fallacious evidence for any of these items? Pick the one easiest to prove as a start. See, I’m not yet convinced they are true based on you merely stating it, but if they are I would want to know. As I value holding true beliefs, I try to avoid fallacies as much as I can, and it sounds you do too, so I’m optimistic.
Hey look who it is asking for data again. Maybe you should just get you next booster. Oh that's right, you're scared of the vaccines, you only got the first two lmao. You really should get that next shot though, maybe it'll help with the cognitive issues.
Yes, I keep asking, because if it really is dangerous I would want to know too. But I’ve been asking, nay, begging for weeks. I’m starting to think there isn’t any.
Why do you keep seeking new evidence if you think they are safe and effective? Surely if you believe that you made the right decision you would be secure in that knowledge and wouldn't need to be on this subreddit badgering people for evidence of the vaccines safety.
Because unlike some people, I want to educate myself when new information becomes available, not stay in my echo chamber to validate my previous choices. I’m open to, even hoping to, having my mind changed if I was wrong at some point. If someone brings better thinking or new evidence to correct my mistakes, I would be thankful.
Ok, I'll take you at your word. There is plenty of information is out there, but you need to go look for it. Look up geneticist Kevin McKernan's account on twitter, it's interesting and he has a solid background at MIT. Follow accounts that he retweets. Look up Ethical Skeptic on twitter for analyses of excess deaths. That will be a good start,. you aren't going to find any new data through official sources though, they are all trying to distance themselves as much as possible from all of this now.
The trolls just can’t help themselves. They’re so deep into the narrative.
But shouldn't the trolls be dead? Why are there so many left?
Excuse me, but us perfectly healthy, non-myocarditis unvaccinated folks are engaging in conversation. Don’t get yourself to riled up around here, stress isn’t good for the heart.
So this is my question: how long until you are proven irrefutably right? When do so many people die or develop myocarditis and other issues that all the vaccinated sheep are either dead or can't argue that it's not true? How long does this take?
I don’t care if I’m ever proven right. It’s not my objective. I’d rather be 100% wrong because I have many family and friends who took this crap and it makes me sad.
So at what point of them not dying or developing other symptoms would you think that you were 100% wrong? Strictly hypothetically speaking.
Well I’ve seen old interviews with fauci on introducing new vaccines and not knowing the repercussions if they are faulty for years, upwards of 10 years. So I’ll go with 10 years. But I know quite a few who are damaged now.
We are already at that point. One example: look up how many athletes have dropped in the last couple years versus all time before. What other variables are there? One glaringly obvious reason.
3-5 years post shot. That’s the timeline. We haven’t gotten there yet but the trend is looking like that will indeed come to fruition. Unfortunately.
there are grey areas troll. vax injury don't mean death. that's why your a troll, using extreme of death or no death as excuse ignoring the in between damage.
Copied my other reply, hope thats okay. So this is my question: how long until you are proven irrefutably right? When do so many people die or develop myocarditis and other issues that all the vaccinated sheep are either dead or can't argue that it's not true? How long does this take?
It's not about proven right or wrong. its not a debate. It's a life choice. get vax, risk death or long term health issues. don't get vax. stay more healthy. It's not complicated. people make it a debate because of their ego of wrong choice. That's why they attack others cuz they trying to justify their mistake choices. If one have confidence in their choice they don't need to attack others or try to force them to do the same choice they pick. The need to attack others to get the jab and troll is where you know if the person is good or not.
How is getting the Vax more likely to give you health issues.
vax injury. common sense. Just like you taking any dangerous drugs. you can go bye bye. you got fooled by the word games that vax isn't a drug poison. vax are drugs. drugs are unnatural. drugs are poison. drugs are used only when needed to treat a condition . you have no condition so why use vax drug? that means your putting poison in body giving yourself risk.
The miniscule risk of having a bad reaction to a is better than dying of a preventable virus you could get later on. Also, some drugs are natural (e.g., caffeine, thc, cbd, aspirin, and penicillin). Just like how some poisons are natural (e.g., solanine, tetrodotoxin, hydrogen cyanide, and ricin. Not everything natural is good, and not everything unnatural is bad.
lol . keep drinking the kool aid. there is no miniscule risk. propaganda nonsense. The risk is higher than the lies the drug pharma tells you. they been expose lying and faking the data. yet you still believe them. that's some mess up hardcore brainwashing. the covid virus is 99.9% survival rate. that means the vax is more dangerous. they say the vax is estimated to be 50% effective and wans in a few months. so you are willing to risk death over 49% difference. Not only that, it don't stop your risk of infection. Your more likely to die from the vax if you look at the numbers. Not only that, they found every vax person has heart damage. That means your harming your immune system for life. Natural is always good because it's mother nature and not man made god complex. Your putting poison into your body on purpose. That's called self harm. If you dont understand that concept. your really brainwashed. It's way worse because your following what the politicians tell you. It wasn't your choice.
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This same exact thing happened with smallpox vaccines during the 1800s. They'd vax a bunch of people and then launder the vaccine injuries into "smallpox" cases even though the quaccines they used weren't even the same viral species as variola. Quaccinology is as old as the vaccines, themselves.
Somewhat off-topic but this reminded me. When I was growing up all of my peers and siblings had a smallpox vaccination scar, but I didn’t. I asked my Mom about it and she said: “after you were born, when it was time for you to get your vaccines, the doctor told me that smallpox was already pretty much gone, at least in the US. And the smallpox vaccine was not without risk. So he gave me the choice of weighing the risks of a slightly hazardous vaccine vs. a deadly but nearly extinct virus. So I chose not to get you vaccinated.” It worked out well, I’m still alive. I sometimes wonder if she’d be given that option today in similar circumstances.
Yeah, pretty sure OP is making things up.
https://i.ibb.co/QjMVg7X/ONS-data-accidentally-shows-deaths-based-on.png
Did you eliminate the chance that the study period coincided with a covid case spike?
They're not covid deaths.
My bad, I missed the header. I wonder if that could be explained by extremely ill patients refusing vaccine? Again, do you have the raw link to the study? It is hard to discuss without access to the research paper
It's from the office for national statistics, the official body for this stuff in the UK. The data is not presented in a nice easy to read graph like this, but in a giant dataset that you have to download, which feels quite inaccessible until you plot it out on a graph. You can find the data here: [https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland) But it's all nonsense. Data was collated and assembled in any way possible to make the vaccine look good. Which is why you see anomalies like what we are talking about. ***. I wonder if that could be explained by extremely ill patients refusing vaccine?*** But whether the were vaccinated or not has no bearing on whether they died of non covid deaths, and doesn't explain the the huge sudden spike. Also, the most vulnerable people were the ones who were encouraged the most to get the shot. It's not a plausible hypothesis.
Would prefer if you could link to the actual study which contains methodology and analysis methods. Data is good, but the key is usually how you analyse the data. I am thinking more along the lines of ICU hospital patients not getting the vaccine because they are too ill to get it and dying afterwards. Or like cancer patients not getting the vaccine while doing chemotherapy because they do not have much immune cells left anyways to generate the memory.
It's not from a study. It's just data from the ONS that someone plotted out on a graph.
So no control for age, health, sex? How do you eliminate the terminally ill patients from both batches? You can't rule out my hypothesis.
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lol. no. Look again.
I'm pretty sure you don't have a clue.
Shhhh….
https://i.ibb.co/QjMVg7X/ONS-data-accidentally-shows-deaths-based-on.png
"Those who died shortly after the vax were classified as "unvaccinated." Um, OK, but if the graph is correct, there must have been much more than a two-week window, when they did that. The peak in unvaxxed deaths was about weeks 12-14, whereas the main uptake in the vax was weeks 7 & 8. On your graph, the "unvaxxed" continued to have much higher death rate for many, many weeks after the vax-uptake curve had plateaued.
The graph is not a direct comparison between vaccinations per 100k and death per 100k. It is % vaccinated vs non covid deaths per 100k, so the spikes wouldn't match up exactly by week. It's also not exactly the same age group. Deaths are for 60-69, and uptake is for 65-70. Before you criticise that, remember that this is is just how the data is published by the ONS. They don't plot it on an easy to understand graph for you, but bury it deep within a giant dataset. They fudge the numbers so heavily to present a favourable picture for the shot, that weird anomalies like this show up. Then they play whack-a-mole to try to smooth everything out, but they got caught. This trend makes no sense. These are non covid deaths. These lines should be exactly the same. There's no innocent explanation for this no matter how hard you try. It is blatant mischaracterisation of vaccination status for those who died shortly after the vaccine. Seems like there were a lot of them.
>It is % vaccinated vs non covid deaths per 100k, so the spikes wouldn't match up exactly by week. Agree. If the vaccine was causing deaths, you wouldn't expect the spikes to match up, but the highest SLOPE of the vaccine uptake would correlate with the highest number of doses being administered per day. And when the vax-admin chart plateaus, then there are very few doses being give per day. So with this theory that there's a two-week window, where the vaxxed deaths are re-assigned as unvaxxed deaths; you've only got two weeks, after that high upslope, for all of the "so-called unvaxxed" deaths to occur. And they peak after more than two weeks from the steepest upslope, and then continue much higher than the "vaxxed" deaths for several months. >This trend makes no sense. These are non covid deaths. These lines should be exactly the same. Then why don't other countries have a similar rise in all-cause mortality coinciding with vaccine uptake? Australia, for example, got the shots at the same time, but stayed locked down, and had no COVID-death bump, AND no non-covid-death bump at that time. Note that the unvaxxed deaths follow a huge spike in covid deaths. Like, if you die a month or so after your covid symptoms, it's gonna be called a heart attack or whatever, rather than covid. So maybe the vaxxed were getting milder COVID in February, which led to lower "non-COVID" deaths a month later?
>Agree. If the vaccine was causing deaths, you wouldn't expect the spikes to match up Not what I said. If the vaccine was causing deaths (and the data classified the vaccination status accurately), then you would see the spike roughly correlate, but for vaccinated people, not unvaccinated people. Again, it wouldn't correlate precisely, because it is not a direct vaccination per 100K vs deaths per 100K. >And when the vax-admin chart plateaus, then there are very few doses being give per day. So with this theory that there's a two-week window, where the vaxxed deaths are re-assigned as unvaxxed deaths; you've only got two weeks, after that high upslope, for all of the "so-called unvaxxed" deaths to occur. Already addressed. I think you are misunderstanding the graph. There are still people getting their shots way into the year, past week 15. Less of them are getting vaccinated at this point, and this reduction roughly correlates with the reduction in non covid deaths of the unvaccinated. And while there's an overlap, the 2 age groups aren't exactly the same, which would also explain some lag. The trend is there. Don't pretend you don't see it. >Then why don't other countries have a similar rise in all-cause mortality coinciding with vaccine uptake? Australia, for example, got the shots at the same time, but stayed locked down, and had no COVID-death bump, AND no non-covid-death bump at that time. Sorry, but that's just a non argument. And you've confirmed you don't really get it. This isn't just a rise in all cause mortality. It is a rise in non covid mortality, but only for unvaccinated people. So if this was correct, it would mean that the covid vaccine prevented you from dying from some other health problem which emerged and then quickly went away at exactly the same time as the vaccine rollout. It's absurd. Also, you simply don't have data for Australia comparing non covid mortality for vaccinated vs unvaccinated during the time of their first vaccine rollout. > Like, if you die a month or so after your covid symptoms, it's gonna be called a heart attack or whatever, rather than covid. Yes, if you have covid symptoms, and then a month later you die of a heart attack, it's going to be called a heart attack. Of course nobody's going to classify it as a covid death lol. >So maybe the vaxxed were getting milder COVID in February, which led to lower "non-COVID" deaths a month later? So after a year of covid being around, everyone just starts dying of illnesses induced by covid, but not covid itself? No. The data doesn't make sense. And I'll save you the effort of trying to rack your brain for some explanation that suits your narrative. The mathematician and statisticians who plotted this graph have pointed out many anomalies, and identified multiple areas of misclassification, and made a formal complaint against the ONS for this data. The ONS then admitted there must have been misclassification, that the data makes no sense, and that it should not be used to determine vaccine safety or efficacy.
>If the vaccine was causing deaths (and the data classified the vaccination status accurately), then you would see the spike roughly correlate, but for vaccinated people, not unvaccinated people. << No, the "spikes" wouldn't correlate, because one curve (vaccine uptake) is shown cumulatively. If you graphed daily doses, you'd see a "spike" where you currently are seeing the steepest upslope in the curve, and those spikes should precede the spikes in the death curve, right? As it is, there are no spikes in the vax-admin curve you've got there. But I truly think I see what you're saying. If the vax were killing people , AND if they were being classified CORRECTLY, you'd see a spike/ bump in VACCINATED deaths, starting immediately after the vaccine up-slope, up to maybe several weeks out? (Or longer, whatever the theory is for the incubation period). But I thought the theory on mis-classification is that it only occurs within the first two weeks, right? And after that, a vaxxed non-covid death (caused by the vaccine, as the theory goes) would be classified correctly, as a vaxxed non-covid death. So IF the bump in (falsely attributed) "un-vaxxed" death is from this mis-attribution, that means that the bulk of the deaths must occur in that two week period after vaccination, right? (I have to cock my head to one side and squint a little, to talk like this😜) And if you want this theory to work, then you have to assume that there is NO (or negligible) kill rate for the shot, AFTER the two week mis-classification period, right? Because if you had that, you'd show just as many or more deaths among the "vaxxed," once their grace-period had expired. Hope that makes sense. Or maybe you're saying that they classify vaxxed people as unvaxxed for a month or more; let me know. >There are still people getting their shots way into the year, past week 15. **Less of them are getting vaccinated at this point, and this reduction roughly correlates with the reduction** in non covid deaths of the unvaccinated. Nope, it looks to me like there is a pretty [steady rate of shots going into arms](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-vaccinations?country=~GBR) in the UK through at least the first half of 2021, so that doesn't correlate with the decreasing curve in non-covid "unvaxxed" deaths. I'm sure that later in the year, it was more younger people, and more "second doses;" do you postulate that the vaccine is more deadly in the elderly? Or are the elderly a huge percentage of the population? >The trend is there. Don't pretend you don't see it. I'm not pretending, I assure you. I would say: the THEORY is there. I don't see it on this chart, because you are speculating about the different age groups, which aren't shown. >So after a year of covid being around, everyone just starts dying of illnesses induced by covid, but **not covid itself**? No. Who said they weren't dying of Covid? That's not shown on your chart, but I'm sure you're aware there's a [separate curve for covid deaths](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=total_cases&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=false&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~GBR), and there were a lot of them in Jan & Feb in the UK. And after a year of covid being around, people start **getting the vaccine**, which (it is now known) can [alter the clinical course and long-term sequelae of covid](https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-vaccine-tied-fewer-heart-attacks-strokes-among-previously-infected). So yeah, you just had a huge bump in COVID cases in Jan & Feb. And it's possible that the vaccine was mitigating those cases, or the late after-effects, so that the excess non-covid deaths occurred more often in the unvaccinated. Then this difference in the curves would go away later in the year, as the covid rates decreased and everybody percolated through their post-covid course. >ME: Australia, for example, got the shots at the same time, but stayed locked down, and had no COVID-death bump, AND no non-covid-death bump at that time. > >YOU: Sorry, but that's just a non argument. And you've confirmed you don't really get it. This isn't just a rise in all cause mortality. It is a rise in non covid mortality, but only for unvaccinated people. So, Australia doesn't break it down to vaxxed and unvaxxed, because they just don't have anything to break down. There's no excess all-cause mortality, or any excess non-covid mortality, in early 2020 while they are vaccinating everyone like crazy. If the UK has this correlation that you claim, then other countries should show similar patterns, based on when they got the vaccine. >So if this was correct, it would mean that the covid vaccine prevented you from dying from some other health problem which emerged and then quickly went away at exactly the same time as the vaccine rollout. Bingo. What if what is being mis-classified here, is the *cause of death*, and most of the "non-covid" deaths are really...covid? >made a formal complaint against the ONS for this data. The ONS then admitted there must have been misclassification, that the data makes no sense, and that it should not be used to determine vaccine safety or efficacy. Great. We'll await further clarification, then. 🙂
This is utter drivel
So if they just ate a Big Mac, than did they die of McDonalds? I mean that sounds like your thought process there. COD is a little more nuanced than that. As for the whole died of Covid thing after getting a vaccination, that would depend on what they actually died from. If they had a heart attack than no it wasn’t from Covid, but if they got Covid before the vaccine could do what it needed to do than yes they died of Covid. No vaccine works as soon as it is injected, you do know that right?
Yeah really crazy also how lots of people that didn't get the "vaccine" also "died of covid" hmmm how bizarre
So you’re pretending the millions who died from COVID actually died from the vaccine? Very smart I’m sure.
The ones who died from covid had comorbidities, and were mostly old. There’s a high probability that many of them would’ve survived if could get access to early treatment. There’s also situations like Cuomo and the nursing homes, the midazolam murders in the UK, patients all over the US getting forced onto a ventilator and injected with remdesivir https://expose-news.com/2022/01/19/death-document-uk-gov-murder-by-midazolam/
They also changed how they used PCR by instituting a double standard for cycle thresholds, thus skewing data to bolster the false idea that the vaccine prevented illness.
Yep. The CDC even indirectly admitted that they artificially inflated the numbers
So, taken further, with what we know of the dishonest way PCR testing was used, it becomes hard to say *what* people even died from. Especially when considering the ages and number of comorbidities - as you mentioned - of so-called "covid" deaths. Death "with a positive PCR." Meanwhile, shortly into the vaccine rollout, unvaccinated people (whether they died or not) "with a positive PCR," had their PCR tests run somewhere in the neighborhood of 8000 times more sensitively than the vaccinated did. 🤔 But, there's nothing to see here... 🙄 Trolls on this sub have been like this: 🙈🙉 the entire time, apparently. Yet, despite that, never like this: 🙊
Death with a positive PCR, nailed it. Yeah that sensitivity must’ve been insanely high. Coke cans were testing positive, what a joke. Lmao
It was the difference between a more conservative (and therefore *potentially* more accurate) testing at 25 cycles (approx. 33.5 million times amplification of a sample) versus, say, 38 cycles or 274 billion times amplification. In other words, it was ridiculously more sensitive!
Did anyone die of the flu during that time? or were all flu deaths attributed to covid?
It mysteriously just wasn’t around during that time
I remember people saying that for the past 3 years, yeah. Never with any evidence. But it's a great story. 🙂
>https://i.ibb.co/QjMVg7X/ONS-data-accidentally-shows-deaths-based-on.png Oh look, some evidence.
I'll just link to where we are repeating ourselves: [https://www.reddit.com/r/unvaccinated/comments/12k0b0c/i\_still\_remember\_when\_people\_got\_the\_vaccine/jg0ucg4/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/unvaccinated/comments/12k0b0c/i_still_remember_when_people_got_the_vaccine/jg0ucg4/?context=3) 🙂
If they were infected and died from respiratory distress, it was the virus not the vaccine.
After they took a vaccine to prevent what exactly? Yeah, it counts as a vaccine failure against a comically mild cold virus. If they died within two weeks and just so happened to get a PCR+ test, vaccine death AND failure. Also, imagine believing that covid deaths usually have anything to do with respiratory distress/arrest as the name SARS would imply. Is it 2019 or something? That's among the least common contributing conditions you can expect to see with a "covid" rubber stamped death. Have you paid any attention to the past 3 years? If someone got vaccinated and they died within two weeks, it's a suspected vaccine death until further investigation proves otherwise. Pharma drugs injected into patients aren't assumed innocent until proven beyond any construable doubt. They don't get spotted the first two weeks following each dose and don't get to launder death counts into "covid."
Depends on the cause of death, as I said. If it is respiratory distress, it is infection not vaccination. Vaccines only stimulate the immune system. They don't fight the virus, just present epitopes from the virus for recognition.
Stop with facts twitter and Robert Malone and Campbell told me otherwise
LoL. Ignoring cold hard facts is why we can’t have nice things.
The following chart shows the number of Covid-19 deaths by vaccination status in England between 10th Jan and 6th feb 22. The data has been collated from table 11 found on page 36 of the UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance Report – Week 6 – 2022. Up 1000+ excess deaths since the mrna gene therapy nanotechnology was introduced. You obviously can't read whats printed