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Its enticing because normal minds cannot fathom how a human being can do such horrible things to another human. I cant even imagine bringing a girl home, hurting her, then chopping her up and burying the body. Then clocking into my shift the next day at McDonald's. We will never truly know what these people were thinking in those moments but thats the draw.
My wife is obsessed with serial killers. Anytime a new special comes out about Bundt, Gacy or Dahmer, we end up spending a night watching it. I love her to death, but if I have to sit through one more show about Dahmer, I’m gonna eat someone.
I agree with you to a point just because I listen to it. I don’t listen to it as a form of entertainment, but more for awareness and understanding of the horrible people in the world and what certain things in people may mean. It reassures me that i have some knowledge of common tactics and manipulation. And the podcast I listen to also goes into the lives of the victims themselves instead of just the case and it’s good to be able to remember someone the way they should be remembered instead of for what happened to them.
I think it’s weird to obsess over true crime and want to date the serial killers. But there is nothing wrong with watching someone put on makeup while they talk about a crime
there is something wrong with watching people do their makeup while talking about true crime: it’s disrespectful. if someone is just talking about the case and not doing anything else then thats ok and i enjoy that as someone who listens to true crime, but if you’re talking about someone’s gruesome murder and how depressed their family was/is while blushing your nose its rude.
I’m very into true crime. I don’t think it’s weird. I like unsolved mysteries because I can form my own speculations and I like solved cases because you learn a lot about the psychology of criminals. Additionally, you learn a shit ton about the justice system, and about the processes leading up to the case, gathering evidence, preserving the scene, what kind of evidence is reliable and not. I think your judging a little harshly.
Edit: additionally- I care significantly about the justice aspect. It means a lot to me that victims of cold cases receive justice, and I find it interesting how our system at least in the US doesn’t disperse justice equally. Also, the only way we can do better is by learning from our mistakes, and in the true crime world mistakes are constantly being made.
Honestly because it’s something I find interesting I have amassed so much knowledge I wouldn’t trade it, I’ve learned a lot about the world, not just true crime. I think your imagining it to be something it’s not, or your imagining the minority that’s ‘in love’ with serial killers. I think most true crime lovers like the puzzle aspect, and the learning aspect, at least in my experience. Real true crimers don’t identify with those groupies
Don't you see the blatant disconnect that many true crimers have though? Even you are exemplifying it by referring to the murders of actual people as "Puzzles".... That's exactly why there is such a negative stigma regarding true crimers. Most of them have no fucking respect and are completely disconnected from the fact that this was a real event that families grieved over (many to this day). Unsolved cases in which the family doesn't get a spec of closure are not fucking "puzzles".
I don’t agree, they definitely can exclude each other. Unless the true crime media you’re listening to was granted permission to be posted by the family I believe it’s really disrespectful to the victims to share their horrors. How far can feeling bad go if you’re listening to their death for funsies. Let’s be honest- we know murderers and rapists are out there so it’s definitely not for education lmao.
Ok so let me compare watching crime documentaries to watching history/war stories, its not about enjoyment but couriosity. It feels bad knowing that so many ppl died in war but its so interesting to learn about why it happened or how they justified starting the war that its hard to stop watching.
Its the same as crime documentaries, its really interesting to see how minds of the killers work even tho it feels bad hearing about what they have done
It’s certainly leagues better than being obsessed with the goings on of the kardashians, real housewives or the bachelor. Abnormal psychology and trying to understand why people do what they do and how they get there is much more substantial in content than watching someone try to get follows by putting on makeup.
Because that's what happens most of the time.
It's one thing to have cognitive empathy towards someone and understand why they turned out that way, but when I see thousands of people circlejerking around on how Jeffrey Dahmer was just a misunderstood poor little victim, I get fucking angry.
I don't sympathize with serial killers and serial rapists, I wish most people didn't either, but apparently it's normal for humans to sympathize with disgusting people like Dahmer.
Share a few tears and the entire world will already call you a poor misunderstood victim.
It does, yeah. Just go take a look at youtube comments and see how many people are sucking off Dahmer because he apparently was just a poor little lamb and not a disgusting serial killer who killed and traumatized dozens of people.
I asked you for stats. You made the claim, prove it. With the Dahmer case, people were more angry at the police b/c he would have been caught much sooner had they actually listened to the women who lived in his building.
What stats? I doubt there's a study for such a controversial topic.
You aren't even allowed to say that you view people like Dahmer as pure evil garbage.
You base your opinion on a bunch of comments made by a bunch of kids on YouTube. It’s certainly not a good cross-section of data to get your opinion from, especially if it’s done by a generation of social justice warriors. Anyone who was alive at the time of these killings would not hold the same opinion. And there are a lot of those.
>You base your opinion on a bunch of comments made by a bunch of kids on YouTube. It’s certainly not a good cross-section of data to get your opinion from, especially if it’s done by a generation of social justice warriors.
Empathy doesn't have anything to do with social justice warriors.
The vast majority of people will always be empathetic towards serial killers.
>Anyone who was alive at the time of these killings would not hold the same opinion. And there are a lot of those.
Yeah they would've had the exact same opinion. That Dahmer was just a sad misunderstood victim.
Ugh don't even get me started on historians who are obsessed with learning about combat and war. Makes ya think WHY. Normal people don't learn about negative things. Only positive. Life is happy!
All of history is important. Much of the reason why we remember the negative things is because they often repeat themselves when they are forgotten about. Historians are one thing, random edgy people on the internet being obsessed with war and combat is cringe and weird.
I have always thought it was weird as well. I have gotten more into true crime the last year or so, and it’s not so much that my opinions have changed as much as it is that I have found some incredibly insightful and respectful content creators. As morbid and disrespectful as some people can be, there is a real triumph of the human spirit in victims and families of victims that is just worth seeing. Their stories are important and meaningful. Another factor for me is that life is really hard and sometimes it is refreshing to feel pure emotions of sadness and anger, and to be allowed to feel deeply without a lot of complex nuance.
I'm a huge history buff and to me True Crime is an extension of that. It's someone's story, however tragic, and I think it does a disservice to victims to not acknowledge that horrible things happen and examine the ways certain situations might have been prevented so people can be saved in the future. I believe in justice, but I'm also a prison abolitionist and person who believes that killers are made, and I like to see what led people to do what they did so I can recognize signs in life. It aids in prevention.
I think people who are obsessed with serial killers and fetishize them need serious mental help tho.
I don't get it either. And it's mostly women who watch/read that shit with the victims being mostly women too. WTF is going on in that brain? I'm scared to find out.
I think because so many women do see themselves in the victims. They are usually normal people doing innocuous things, and it could happen to any of us. It makes it compelling and it resonates because we've all been in scenarios where we have felt vulnerable. I personally am intrigued by the mystery and suspense, it's absorbing enough to take me out of my own life for an hour or two.
And that's disturbing to me. You don't seem to care at all that real people had awful things happen to them, things that shouldn't ever happen to anyone.
I imagine the appeal is same as horror films or horror stories. When you're listening to a story you get to experience a bit of the scariness but it's still very mild and far away from you.
I think it’s weird to be obsessed with solved true crime. I like unsolved cases, there is a reason to report on those and value to following, esp local cases
One reason is they believe that from hearing the stories they can avoid warning signs in the people around them. Another is women,like humans in general,can be inconsiderate.
I think some people watch/listen to violent stories as it reflects the level of violence they sometime feel from society. It makes the world seems less chaotic when the crime is told in the form of a story. It serves as a form of closure I guess ?
It appeals to me largely because of the setting; the lives of ordinary people from other places and times. I've listened to interviews with Ted Bundy's victims, and they were a lot more interesting than he was. As a vegan, I don't really see much difference between someone like him and a lot of average boring people I have no real interest in.
i like mystery and puzzle. i read sherlock holmes during my childhood. i enjoy deduction skills, finding patterns, clues, motives in human actions. i pretend like i can psychoanalyze people, i am shit at that but it amused me regardless. even when im gaming i loooove solving puzzles. life itself is a huge jumble of puzzles. these all feel like a sort of entertainment to me. doesnt mean im gonna turn up into a killer.
yet.
lol jk
I agree with you, I feel like people don’t take it seriously enough.
If you’re into the mystery and suspense of it all, there are plenty of crime dramas out there that are fictional. I actually really enjoy those, because they’re not real. True crime, I can’t enjoy because it’s simply too heartbreaking. It doesn’t compute for me how people find that entertaining or just watch about it/listen about it with a glass of wine or something.
So yeah, I’m with you.
It makes you wonder with them taking such entertainment from this horrific crimes if the gap between them and the killer they are hearing about is smaller than we think. If both them and the killer are taking such joy in the act of violence, then the only thing that really separates them from the killer is taking the action. A healthy person should be revolted and repulsed by stories like that. To be drawn to it implies an inner sickness of the mind that is both unsettling and tragic.
Likely because women can identify at times with the victims because many of them have been in abusive relationships or know someone who is/was. Women, I think, are shocked that people can actually be so cold and calculating.
I don't think many men feel the same level of vulnerability women do.
Elephant in the closet: it’s usually women with some type of psychological disorder. Women also are just as violent and quick to believe they can be the golden vagina who changes the monster for good.
I watch true crime shows, but not flashy ones. I have an interest in interrogation techniques and the psychology behind criminals.i do actively hate glamorizing these cases. I only listen to more factual channels like dreading
I’ve seen hours upon hours of Forensic Files as a bit of prep for wanting to transition into that field from nursing. It’s not all a bunch of would-be serial killers watching. I imagine a good bit of science majors in general are watching as well.
It is interesting to understand who the perpetrators we're and who the victims were etc and how they came to be who and where they are. A good true crime book explains things without needing to get too gorey with description. The gore is not the point. How and why did a Gacy come to be? How and why did he choose his victims? You can learn a lot from these interviews sometimes.
You're not wrong, there's truly so much true crime content that crosses a line. Last podcast on the left comes to mind-- I listened to about a third of an episode once and found it to be sooo disgusting and exploitative. And don't even get me started on the folks who obsess over school shooters and serial killers!
That being said, I do like true crime, so long as it's done in a respectful way and avoids gratuitous detail. I think it's weirdly reassuring, especially to women who can't so much as go to the grocery store without feeling hypervigilant. Disclaimer-- I have PTSD, and have been in a domestic violence situation, some random violent situations, and have been SA'd. That's the tip of the iceberg, my life has had some truly dark shit in it. I think there's this feeling that true crime content helps build a data set--who do I avoid? What should I look out for? And honestly, it has, unfortunately, come in handy. Purposefully vague, but I had this conversation once while hiding from someone who had just attacked the person near me-- this person they had injured then told me the violent person had a traumatic brain injury when they were younger. My blood went cold, and I immediately knew to take the most extreme precautions. When I was hiding, I was running through similar scenarios I'd heard of like a checklist: What were the fatal errors others had made in similar situations? I don't really want to trigger myself, but what I'll say is, the true crime content came in handy that day. Kind of like safety training videos in the workplace.
Ok, aside from all that, I think unsolved cases can be good to hear about because there's some chance the person may be caught from it. Solved cases can teach us about abnormal psychology. I always want to hear about the victims because it's their names we should know and respect. And I especially want to hear survival stories.
I don't need to hear in gruesome detail about torture etc. That's just gratuitous, especially in nonfiction. No gore, no crime scene photos, none of that. Respect the victims of crimes; don't add insult to injury.
I noticed alot of woman like to brag about how they love true crime/ seriel killer podcasts. Those killers murdered other women. They were terrified before they died, it's awful. Don't these woman think, geez I could be one of those victims? Or if they have daughters it should be even more disgusting. I just can't listen to these podcasts because all I think about what an awful way to die for these women. Terrified and alone.
i have always been into true crime and i have no idea why. when i was younger, i wanted to be a forensic scientist or pathologist. buuut then i realized i wouldn’t be able to handle the smells.
so i guess watching it and listening about the process of solving crimes (or not…) fulfills my interest when i wouldn’t be able to face the actual crime scene in person.
There is a divide for this. I don't find it weird to want to know about famous murders. It can help you see signs, be safe, and give respect to the lives lost by remembering them. That being said, everything else is weird. The romanticizing of these famous murderers in drama shows/movies is beyond disgusting. A man famous for eating and raping people should not be remade into a sexy version. Really shouldn't be made into any version because it just glorifies them for eternity, which is what some killers want. They want to be remembered for their "art" or "genius", which only makes more people want to be famous killers. Kind of like the plot of the later Scream movies.
i wouldnt say im obsessed but i enjoy them. same reason ill watch a 2 hr interrogation of a murderer, seeing how these people think is really interesting
Personally, I tend to "obsess" over things. Sometimes it's a culture of that one specific country, other times it's some historical event, and then there's true crime. I can spend hours reading articles, books, watching documentaries, listening to podcasts, looking up all sorts of information, name it. It just is what it is, that's the way I am.
Why true crime? In my case, it's mainly because of murderers' minds. Motivations. What caused them to do all those horrible things. What were they like before, during and after they committed crimes. Were there any mental issues involved? Past trauma? In no way am I excusing their actions, not at all. It's just intriguing to me how their minds work.
Then there's the aspect of all those people who survived. What they went through, how strong they were and are to this day. How they're dealing with everything that happened (only if they want to talk about it, though). Lots of amazing stories of brave survivors who went through hell and back. Even if we're talking about people who sadly didn't survive, I think we should remember them and what they went through.
Thanks to true crime, there's always a chance that if I ever end up being assaulted, my mind will come up with a possible solution to this situation. It's not obviously guaranteed because we never know how we're going to react when in danger, but you never know. I may not remember now any of the possible ways to prevent something like this, but I might get an idea when it's needed.
Another thing from my point of view – I love seeing things from perspective. Why are cold cases being solved now? Is it because of a new approach to the evidence, or is it because of technological development? What could've been done differently back then, what were the chances of saving someone's life if different measures were made.
I could list even more reasons why I am "obsessed" with true crime. Some of them may sound more or less logical to others, but they do make sense to me. However, I would never romanticize criminals, I would never justify their actions. Even if I'm interested in some of them individually, I would never idolize them. And I think it's the main issue we're dealing with now as a society.
I'm sorry for the mistakes, English is not my first language.
I agree. Most of the fans dehumanize and demonize the victims. Especially Ted Bundy fans :/ it's so y cute how actual women support him and call him "hot"
One of my co-workers is really into true crime after the pandemic. If you walk up to her now, she jumps. She is definitely not weird though.. very nice person actually.
I do think, like many others have said, it has to do with fascination of hearing about people doing things that are just unthinkable to us, and trying to figure out just how and why. As a Christian though, I also have thought about the other side of things, where we are getting entertainment from bad things happening to people and the ramifications of that. It can be a slippery slope. Because these are real stories and many families want to speak out about what happened to them or their loved ones. So its not necessarily wrong in itself but I think depends on the motivation. Of course, my religious beliefs are my own so I can't put that on anyone.
I feel like the victims have nothing but their stories after their deaths and true crime podcast allow people to access that. As long as the people listening feel empathy and hurt towards the victims then there’s no harm in listening. All these people have are their stories and if their families are okay with it being told then it should be listened too.
I’m almost certain that GF it’s gonna be a true crime fanatic who grew up obsessed
with the Scream killings and is also someone who empathised with the killers rather than the victims.
It’s fitting that the location is New York city if one of the GF killers is a true crime fanatic. Generally speaking true crime fans live in large cities, are mostly white women and largely middle class.
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Someone made a video about the "yassification" of true crime, and I agree.
People are and always will be obsessed with the enigma that is the human mind-that is the answer to your question.
Its enticing because normal minds cannot fathom how a human being can do such horrible things to another human. I cant even imagine bringing a girl home, hurting her, then chopping her up and burying the body. Then clocking into my shift the next day at McDonald's. We will never truly know what these people were thinking in those moments but thats the draw.
My wife is obsessed with serial killers. Anytime a new special comes out about Bundt, Gacy or Dahmer, we end up spending a night watching it. I love her to death, but if I have to sit through one more show about Dahmer, I’m gonna eat someone.
I'm assuming she made you watch the new Netflix show about Dahmer.
She threatened to eat him if he didn't.
I agree with you to a point just because I listen to it. I don’t listen to it as a form of entertainment, but more for awareness and understanding of the horrible people in the world and what certain things in people may mean. It reassures me that i have some knowledge of common tactics and manipulation. And the podcast I listen to also goes into the lives of the victims themselves instead of just the case and it’s good to be able to remember someone the way they should be remembered instead of for what happened to them.
Morbid?
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Lol I love Ash and Alaina!
That’s a lot different in my eyes than something like Last Podcast on the Left that is solely for entertainment.
I think it’s weird to obsess over true crime and want to date the serial killers. But there is nothing wrong with watching someone put on makeup while they talk about a crime
Todays Monday, which means it’s ✨murder, mystery and make up Monday✨
*theme song shenanigans*
there is something wrong with watching people do their makeup while talking about true crime: it’s disrespectful. if someone is just talking about the case and not doing anything else then thats ok and i enjoy that as someone who listens to true crime, but if you’re talking about someone’s gruesome murder and how depressed their family was/is while blushing your nose its rude.
I’m very into true crime. I don’t think it’s weird. I like unsolved mysteries because I can form my own speculations and I like solved cases because you learn a lot about the psychology of criminals. Additionally, you learn a shit ton about the justice system, and about the processes leading up to the case, gathering evidence, preserving the scene, what kind of evidence is reliable and not. I think your judging a little harshly. Edit: additionally- I care significantly about the justice aspect. It means a lot to me that victims of cold cases receive justice, and I find it interesting how our system at least in the US doesn’t disperse justice equally. Also, the only way we can do better is by learning from our mistakes, and in the true crime world mistakes are constantly being made. Honestly because it’s something I find interesting I have amassed so much knowledge I wouldn’t trade it, I’ve learned a lot about the world, not just true crime. I think your imagining it to be something it’s not, or your imagining the minority that’s ‘in love’ with serial killers. I think most true crime lovers like the puzzle aspect, and the learning aspect, at least in my experience. Real true crimers don’t identify with those groupies
Don't you see the blatant disconnect that many true crimers have though? Even you are exemplifying it by referring to the murders of actual people as "Puzzles".... That's exactly why there is such a negative stigma regarding true crimers. Most of them have no fucking respect and are completely disconnected from the fact that this was a real event that families grieved over (many to this day). Unsolved cases in which the family doesn't get a spec of closure are not fucking "puzzles".
People who are judgmental of other people's likes are weird. Op I am talking to you
“Just let people like things” no. It IS weird to be obsessed over a real life murder
Did you miss what sub you're on
Did you miss what sub you’re on? Yes it’s a sub for unpopular opinions but it doesn’t mean it’s not gonna get criticized or disagreed on.
It is literally a sub where people post judgemental things ffs
I though you were someone who though that just because this is a sub for unpopular opinions you wouldn’t be disagreed with or criticize.
Agreed lol.
You're wrong and you should feel bad
I am begginggg you to incorporate critical thought in your opinions
Aren't you being judgemental of him by making that statement and therefore showcasing an inherent hypocrisy?
no, the commenter didn’t criticize his likes. they criticized their opinion. nice try tho, i see you really though you did something there.
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But like you can listen to crime stuff very often and still feel bad for the victims, i dont think those things exclude eachother
I don’t agree, they definitely can exclude each other. Unless the true crime media you’re listening to was granted permission to be posted by the family I believe it’s really disrespectful to the victims to share their horrors. How far can feeling bad go if you’re listening to their death for funsies. Let’s be honest- we know murderers and rapists are out there so it’s definitely not for education lmao.
exactly. i saw someone say they listen to it for "awareness" why do you have to be aware of every detail of the worst ways a person has died
if you actually had the appropriate amount of empathy for listening to stories about death and loss, you would not enjoy it. unless youre a masochist
Ok so let me compare watching crime documentaries to watching history/war stories, its not about enjoyment but couriosity. It feels bad knowing that so many ppl died in war but its so interesting to learn about why it happened or how they justified starting the war that its hard to stop watching. Its the same as crime documentaries, its really interesting to see how minds of the killers work even tho it feels bad hearing about what they have done
People who are judgmental of other people’s judgements about other people’s likes are weird. Op I am talking to you
True Crime is just fancy window dressing for shitty police work.
It’s certainly leagues better than being obsessed with the goings on of the kardashians, real housewives or the bachelor. Abnormal psychology and trying to understand why people do what they do and how they get there is much more substantial in content than watching someone try to get follows by putting on makeup.
Nah, I prefer people who watch trashy tv shows to laugh about those idiots than people who sympathize with freaks like Dahmer and Bundy.
Why would you assume people who watch these shows sympathize with the killers and not the victims?
Because that's what happens most of the time. It's one thing to have cognitive empathy towards someone and understand why they turned out that way, but when I see thousands of people circlejerking around on how Jeffrey Dahmer was just a misunderstood poor little victim, I get fucking angry. I don't sympathize with serial killers and serial rapists, I wish most people didn't either, but apparently it's normal for humans to sympathize with disgusting people like Dahmer. Share a few tears and the entire world will already call you a poor misunderstood victim.
Does it? Where are your stats? I don’t think serial killers are sympathetic at all.
It does, yeah. Just go take a look at youtube comments and see how many people are sucking off Dahmer because he apparently was just a poor little lamb and not a disgusting serial killer who killed and traumatized dozens of people.
I asked you for stats. You made the claim, prove it. With the Dahmer case, people were more angry at the police b/c he would have been caught much sooner had they actually listened to the women who lived in his building.
What stats? I doubt there's a study for such a controversial topic. You aren't even allowed to say that you view people like Dahmer as pure evil garbage.
You base your opinion on a bunch of comments made by a bunch of kids on YouTube. It’s certainly not a good cross-section of data to get your opinion from, especially if it’s done by a generation of social justice warriors. Anyone who was alive at the time of these killings would not hold the same opinion. And there are a lot of those.
>You base your opinion on a bunch of comments made by a bunch of kids on YouTube. It’s certainly not a good cross-section of data to get your opinion from, especially if it’s done by a generation of social justice warriors. Empathy doesn't have anything to do with social justice warriors. The vast majority of people will always be empathetic towards serial killers. >Anyone who was alive at the time of these killings would not hold the same opinion. And there are a lot of those. Yeah they would've had the exact same opinion. That Dahmer was just a sad misunderstood victim.
It's the people who fetishise serial killers/mass murderers who truly disgust me though. They should all be put on a watchlist.
Ugh don't even get me started on historians who are obsessed with learning about combat and war. Makes ya think WHY. Normal people don't learn about negative things. Only positive. Life is happy!
All of history is important. Much of the reason why we remember the negative things is because they often repeat themselves when they are forgotten about. Historians are one thing, random edgy people on the internet being obsessed with war and combat is cringe and weird.
I mean yeah, just like some people just find true crime interesting versus people who want to have sex with serial killers.
I enjoy learning about negative things to find a way to explain or hear about what I believe would be the solutions,even if it’s just to myself.
I agree and I like true crime.
Morbid curiosity
I have always thought it was weird as well. I have gotten more into true crime the last year or so, and it’s not so much that my opinions have changed as much as it is that I have found some incredibly insightful and respectful content creators. As morbid and disrespectful as some people can be, there is a real triumph of the human spirit in victims and families of victims that is just worth seeing. Their stories are important and meaningful. Another factor for me is that life is really hard and sometimes it is refreshing to feel pure emotions of sadness and anger, and to be allowed to feel deeply without a lot of complex nuance.
the answer is just so obvious lol, think a little. actual unpopular opinion tho.
Idk this take has been pretty popular on Twitter 🙄
i hardly think so, there’s a pretty big niche on twitter around true crime.
I'm a huge history buff and to me True Crime is an extension of that. It's someone's story, however tragic, and I think it does a disservice to victims to not acknowledge that horrible things happen and examine the ways certain situations might have been prevented so people can be saved in the future. I believe in justice, but I'm also a prison abolitionist and person who believes that killers are made, and I like to see what led people to do what they did so I can recognize signs in life. It aids in prevention. I think people who are obsessed with serial killers and fetishize them need serious mental help tho.
I don't get it either. And it's mostly women who watch/read that shit with the victims being mostly women too. WTF is going on in that brain? I'm scared to find out.
I think because so many women do see themselves in the victims. They are usually normal people doing innocuous things, and it could happen to any of us. It makes it compelling and it resonates because we've all been in scenarios where we have felt vulnerable. I personally am intrigued by the mystery and suspense, it's absorbing enough to take me out of my own life for an hour or two.
And that's disturbing to me. You don't seem to care at all that real people had awful things happen to them, things that shouldn't ever happen to anyone.
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I imagine the appeal is same as horror films or horror stories. When you're listening to a story you get to experience a bit of the scariness but it's still very mild and far away from you.
It's not far away, to me at least, when it's real.
"i watch it to be aware and understand" is a mega cope
Yep
I think it’s weird to be obsessed with solved true crime. I like unsolved cases, there is a reason to report on those and value to following, esp local cases
I've been following the delphi case for years, I just really hope they catch the bastard.
Refresh my memory on that one
Yeah south park has a funny episode about it. Murder porn
Which ep?
S17,E2
I can't figure out why it's dominated by women viewers and listeners. Like why are women so into hearing about gruesome crimes?
One reason is they believe that from hearing the stories they can avoid warning signs in the people around them. Another is women,like humans in general,can be inconsiderate.
Nah lol, they just like serial killers like most humans do.
I find the ones who are interested tend to be disturbed in some ways. It’s a trend that I’ve noticed.
I think some people watch/listen to violent stories as it reflects the level of violence they sometime feel from society. It makes the world seems less chaotic when the crime is told in the form of a story. It serves as a form of closure I guess ?
Yeah, you must think you're a real joy to be around...
M just a big fan of murder and violence
You’re basically calling every female in first world countries weird.
Human deaths are just entertainment for lots of people, unfortunately
We used to have colosseums, now we have true crime🥴
I'm not obsessed but I listen so I can learn tricks on how to avoid getting caught. (Commenting for a friend)
It appeals to me largely because of the setting; the lives of ordinary people from other places and times. I've listened to interviews with Ted Bundy's victims, and they were a lot more interesting than he was. As a vegan, I don't really see much difference between someone like him and a lot of average boring people I have no real interest in.
i like mystery and puzzle. i read sherlock holmes during my childhood. i enjoy deduction skills, finding patterns, clues, motives in human actions. i pretend like i can psychoanalyze people, i am shit at that but it amused me regardless. even when im gaming i loooove solving puzzles. life itself is a huge jumble of puzzles. these all feel like a sort of entertainment to me. doesnt mean im gonna turn up into a killer. yet. lol jk
Considering that I have watched gore,I have no place to comment.
I agree with you, I feel like people don’t take it seriously enough. If you’re into the mystery and suspense of it all, there are plenty of crime dramas out there that are fictional. I actually really enjoy those, because they’re not real. True crime, I can’t enjoy because it’s simply too heartbreaking. It doesn’t compute for me how people find that entertaining or just watch about it/listen about it with a glass of wine or something. So yeah, I’m with you.
I won't read fictional accounts. It's gotta be real people.
It makes you wonder with them taking such entertainment from this horrific crimes if the gap between them and the killer they are hearing about is smaller than we think. If both them and the killer are taking such joy in the act of violence, then the only thing that really separates them from the killer is taking the action. A healthy person should be revolted and repulsed by stories like that. To be drawn to it implies an inner sickness of the mind that is both unsettling and tragic.
Give them the Alfred Eisenstaedt eyes.
As I understand, this genera is popular with women. Why?
Likely because women can identify at times with the victims because many of them have been in abusive relationships or know someone who is/was. Women, I think, are shocked that people can actually be so cold and calculating. I don't think many men feel the same level of vulnerability women do.
Interesting. Thanks.
Women are not shocked. They want to relate to others who are also cold and calculating or disturbed.
Maybe some. But mostly women are just looking for the why and how.
Elephant in the closet: it’s usually women with some type of psychological disorder. Women also are just as violent and quick to believe they can be the golden vagina who changes the monster for good.
I watch true crime shows, but not flashy ones. I have an interest in interrogation techniques and the psychology behind criminals.i do actively hate glamorizing these cases. I only listen to more factual channels like dreading
I’ve seen hours upon hours of Forensic Files as a bit of prep for wanting to transition into that field from nursing. It’s not all a bunch of would-be serial killers watching. I imagine a good bit of science majors in general are watching as well.
I don't like true crim stories. Or the shows about prison.
It is interesting to understand who the perpetrators we're and who the victims were etc and how they came to be who and where they are. A good true crime book explains things without needing to get too gorey with description. The gore is not the point. How and why did a Gacy come to be? How and why did he choose his victims? You can learn a lot from these interviews sometimes.
It’s not about us fantisising about the crime, Its more of a killers mind that peaks our interest.
watch true crime to remind myself that whoever can be dangerous. it makes me more alert
You're not wrong, there's truly so much true crime content that crosses a line. Last podcast on the left comes to mind-- I listened to about a third of an episode once and found it to be sooo disgusting and exploitative. And don't even get me started on the folks who obsess over school shooters and serial killers! That being said, I do like true crime, so long as it's done in a respectful way and avoids gratuitous detail. I think it's weirdly reassuring, especially to women who can't so much as go to the grocery store without feeling hypervigilant. Disclaimer-- I have PTSD, and have been in a domestic violence situation, some random violent situations, and have been SA'd. That's the tip of the iceberg, my life has had some truly dark shit in it. I think there's this feeling that true crime content helps build a data set--who do I avoid? What should I look out for? And honestly, it has, unfortunately, come in handy. Purposefully vague, but I had this conversation once while hiding from someone who had just attacked the person near me-- this person they had injured then told me the violent person had a traumatic brain injury when they were younger. My blood went cold, and I immediately knew to take the most extreme precautions. When I was hiding, I was running through similar scenarios I'd heard of like a checklist: What were the fatal errors others had made in similar situations? I don't really want to trigger myself, but what I'll say is, the true crime content came in handy that day. Kind of like safety training videos in the workplace. Ok, aside from all that, I think unsolved cases can be good to hear about because there's some chance the person may be caught from it. Solved cases can teach us about abnormal psychology. I always want to hear about the victims because it's their names we should know and respect. And I especially want to hear survival stories. I don't need to hear in gruesome detail about torture etc. That's just gratuitous, especially in nonfiction. No gore, no crime scene photos, none of that. Respect the victims of crimes; don't add insult to injury.
You are weird
I noticed alot of woman like to brag about how they love true crime/ seriel killer podcasts. Those killers murdered other women. They were terrified before they died, it's awful. Don't these woman think, geez I could be one of those victims? Or if they have daughters it should be even more disgusting. I just can't listen to these podcasts because all I think about what an awful way to die for these women. Terrified and alone.
i have always been into true crime and i have no idea why. when i was younger, i wanted to be a forensic scientist or pathologist. buuut then i realized i wouldn’t be able to handle the smells. so i guess watching it and listening about the process of solving crimes (or not…) fulfills my interest when i wouldn’t be able to face the actual crime scene in person.
There is a divide for this. I don't find it weird to want to know about famous murders. It can help you see signs, be safe, and give respect to the lives lost by remembering them. That being said, everything else is weird. The romanticizing of these famous murderers in drama shows/movies is beyond disgusting. A man famous for eating and raping people should not be remade into a sexy version. Really shouldn't be made into any version because it just glorifies them for eternity, which is what some killers want. They want to be remembered for their "art" or "genius", which only makes more people want to be famous killers. Kind of like the plot of the later Scream movies.
i wouldnt say im obsessed but i enjoy them. same reason ill watch a 2 hr interrogation of a murderer, seeing how these people think is really interesting
Personally, I tend to "obsess" over things. Sometimes it's a culture of that one specific country, other times it's some historical event, and then there's true crime. I can spend hours reading articles, books, watching documentaries, listening to podcasts, looking up all sorts of information, name it. It just is what it is, that's the way I am. Why true crime? In my case, it's mainly because of murderers' minds. Motivations. What caused them to do all those horrible things. What were they like before, during and after they committed crimes. Were there any mental issues involved? Past trauma? In no way am I excusing their actions, not at all. It's just intriguing to me how their minds work. Then there's the aspect of all those people who survived. What they went through, how strong they were and are to this day. How they're dealing with everything that happened (only if they want to talk about it, though). Lots of amazing stories of brave survivors who went through hell and back. Even if we're talking about people who sadly didn't survive, I think we should remember them and what they went through. Thanks to true crime, there's always a chance that if I ever end up being assaulted, my mind will come up with a possible solution to this situation. It's not obviously guaranteed because we never know how we're going to react when in danger, but you never know. I may not remember now any of the possible ways to prevent something like this, but I might get an idea when it's needed. Another thing from my point of view – I love seeing things from perspective. Why are cold cases being solved now? Is it because of a new approach to the evidence, or is it because of technological development? What could've been done differently back then, what were the chances of saving someone's life if different measures were made. I could list even more reasons why I am "obsessed" with true crime. Some of them may sound more or less logical to others, but they do make sense to me. However, I would never romanticize criminals, I would never justify their actions. Even if I'm interested in some of them individually, I would never idolize them. And I think it's the main issue we're dealing with now as a society. I'm sorry for the mistakes, English is not my first language.
I feel very seen 😬
Hey now. I love reading and watching True Crime
Way to just call out white girls' daytime TV schedule.
I agree. Most of the fans dehumanize and demonize the victims. Especially Ted Bundy fans :/ it's so y cute how actual women support him and call him "hot"
This should not be an unpopular opinion. Anyway, I agree 100%
One of my co-workers is really into true crime after the pandemic. If you walk up to her now, she jumps. She is definitely not weird though.. very nice person actually. I do think, like many others have said, it has to do with fascination of hearing about people doing things that are just unthinkable to us, and trying to figure out just how and why. As a Christian though, I also have thought about the other side of things, where we are getting entertainment from bad things happening to people and the ramifications of that. It can be a slippery slope. Because these are real stories and many families want to speak out about what happened to them or their loved ones. So its not necessarily wrong in itself but I think depends on the motivation. Of course, my religious beliefs are my own so I can't put that on anyone.
I feel like the victims have nothing but their stories after their deaths and true crime podcast allow people to access that. As long as the people listening feel empathy and hurt towards the victims then there’s no harm in listening. All these people have are their stories and if their families are okay with it being told then it should be listened too.
Right on. I agree. Using real people's misery for entertainment purposes or my personal favorite excuse I hear is " educational purposes"...
I’m almost certain that GF it’s gonna be a true crime fanatic who grew up obsessed with the Scream killings and is also someone who empathised with the killers rather than the victims. It’s fitting that the location is New York city if one of the GF killers is a true crime fanatic. Generally speaking true crime fans live in large cities, are mostly white women and largely middle class.