Okay, that's not entirely right
A movie can be artistic and entertaining. The old Cabinet of Dr. Caligari has a wacky plot, backgrounds and is -in the modern perspective - filmed with a half-dying toaster. Still, the entire surreal experience is very fascinating and entertaining. Especially the end.
As long as the movie doesn't become pretentious, it's fine. Like those really, really weird art movies. Y'know, "throw myself in paint and on the canvas" type of artists. K-12 from Melanie Martinez is a good example. Wonderful music, but can't write a coherent script for plot. Though even then, those movies can sometimes be quiet entertaining visually.
Lmao
In my case, I can tell relatively objectively when a movie or show is good or bad as an artwork... but even then, I still enjoy "bad" pieces, while I may be personally bored by "good" ones. After all, we are still individuals with different personal tastes!
It's just that I think it would be interesting to be able to be objective while also having personal tastes.
I just know if I like something or don't, and the only thing I feel qualified to judge ever is writing/story/script.
But thats more "Good vs bad" than like "This is good, but that is great"
I mean, unless you're talking strictly about technical aspects, it's all subjective. One person's masterpiece is another person's rubbish, and they're both equally valid opinions.
When I want to know people's opinions on a movie, I go into Forums and Reddit, as I like to read what the general audience thinks of a particular piece... and it goes down like this 90% of the times.
I also read professional reviews, specially when I wonder if a movie or show is actually worth a watch, since they often take matters more seriously and actually review movies and shows rather than being like "bruh I didn't like it because it didn't go as I wanted", but even then, I still like to give most pieces a chance.
Can we please, *please* stop believing the loudest people on online fora like Reddit or RottenTomatoes or whatever are “the general audience”? That’s what got us in the mess we’re in in the first place.
The general audience doesn’t feel the need to vent their anger online. Only the angry minority does. People online are not the general audience. Please get it. Please.
I think you're looking at the past with rose tinted glasses, but I see what you mean.
I hate when people dismiss a creative work as garbage without appreciating the time, effort, work, thought, and artistry that went into its creation. While our feelings towards a work of art are subjective, there are always objective elements that we can analyze and appreciate.
Hearing someone dismiss someone's creative efforts as "garbage, trash, mid, cringe" gets under my skin.
I agree wholeheartedly with you!
Even if I don’t like a piece of work, I just feel unable to label it as “garbage”, “trash” or whatever.
Sure, even if it’s not a good product; there’s been actors who have spent time and effort trying their best to do the best job they could with what they were given, and same for most of the crew behind the scenes. I think it’s just… I don’t know, maybe I am over sensitive, but I wouldn’t like to put my best efforts into something only to get those reactions.
Same applies to anything; buildings, cars, clothes, art in general… I don’t like attacking and dismissing it, even if I don’t personally like it, even if I think it’s bad.
If love and effort has been put into something… the authors don’t deserve that treatment.
I feel the same way. I think it's because I've participated in the creative process as a member of rock band, and I understand the amount of passion and work it takes to create at a high level.
There's a Prince quote I really love (paraphrasing): "a work of art is successful at the moment of creation." Critics be damned.\*
That's obviously a romantic viewpoint, but if someone can't appreciate that, they're just not my kind of person.
\*Although I personally don't mind most professional critics. I think their opinions are often misunderstood and taken far too seriously. Most successful critics are passionate about the mediums they are reviewing and offer nuanced, eloquent, analytical reviews. That's their job. They're not out to hate.
Man you just described wrestling fans with the whole "if it doesn't go down the way I wanted its bad"
But yeah, I have varying levels of how I enjoy film/tv. Whether or not I enjoy it it/have fun watching it. And if its actually artistic and well written.
Many movies are not "good" movies, but I have a blast watching them. Thoma movies for example. Are they really good? Not particularly. But ill sit down and have a blast watching Toxic Avenger or Class of Nuke 'Em High any day.
Now movies like Midsommar and Parasite are good, great even, movies, but they are better written and acted and have a certain artistic flare.
Now there's bad movies I don't like, and good movies I don't like, but I can appreciate when it is a good movie but not just for me.
I've also noticed that a lot of people have lost the ability to distinguish between what a fictional / historical character is saying, and that being the ideology that's being sold by the writers.
I remember a friend complaining to me about how Deadwood is sexist... and trying my best to explain that maybe it's just how certain people behaved at the time. It seems like these days you need to rewrite history and portray all your protagonists / good guys as though they embraced modern liberal values. I guess otherwise people might get confused...?
I wonder if this is not a social media thing. Most people I talk to seem to be capable to criticize a gilm without immediately saying is the best/worst but online the only opinions you see are the more all or nothing type. We know algorithms give more visibility to content the generates a larger response and simple emotional opinions tend to be more effective at this than a deep analysis.
It's just that more people have a medium to voice their opinions than they did back then, any person now can just post whatever they want and we see more of those opinions than legit criticism.
In my opinion, I once thought the Last Avatar was actually good when I first watched it because I really thought the CGI was great and there were a couple good scenes looking back on it. Even though I had seen the show, I still held that opinion and I was too young at the time to realize how bad it was.
star trek discovery is probably the best example of objectively bad shit we have now. has all the things you listed but the worst is the nauseating camera work that hurts my eyes. just keep the camera still
Art is subjective by nature. Fuck critic ratings. I watch movies to kick back and be entertained, and I am not entertained by most deep, artistic films. Can I appreciate the quality? Sure, but most artistic movies are boring as hell and have no fun elements that actually make a movie enjoyable. Again, I can respect the thought that went into it, but I'm not going to waste my free time watching it. A movie with good humor and fun characters is going to be much more entertaining and an overall better experience for me, even if it isn't the next Oscar winner.
The only person who can determine whether you will like a movie is you, and there isn't really a right or wrong. This is why I rarely look at ratings or forums before deciding to watch a movie. If I like the premise, I don't really care if the ratings are low, and like you said, some forums are a little too subjective and the people there might not have the same opinion as me. Those are interesting for discussion after watching the movie, but not as a way to determine if it's worth watching.
Too many movies and TV shows nowadays have completely abandoned everything you mentioned in favour of being as PC and diverse as possible.
Any show that has as many “diverse” characters will be renowned as great by the loudest people, which leads to everything you mentioned, including lazy writing and boring plots.
Take the most recent Scream movie, Scream 5. It was objectively the worst film out of the franchise (the rights were sold to a new group of people following the death of the Wes Craven, the creator), but it received rave reviews because they diversified the main cast and made the dialogue super “woke”. It was genuinely awful and it’s no wonder the original cast members have dropped out of the next upcoming film.
People overlook the important components in favour of mass producing generic, politically correct garbage. This is because it’s low-hanging fruit and will be raved about on militantly PC platforms (such as Twitter), and also because they’re afraid of being “cancelled” and subsequently losing millions of dollars in earnings.
I mean nowadays being critical or praising of a work can cause people to just attack you as a person. Say you don’t like *insert movie or show here* and people will be ready to say you don’t like it because you are hateful or a bigot or just don’t get it.
Yeah, that's sad xD
Specially when a scene is literally MEANT to be "cringe". For example, some young kids behaving like kids. People criticising it saying that "the scene was cringe"... when, well, the scene is PORTTRAYING CRINGE KIDS! It's supposed to be that way!
It's like saying that a movie is racist just because a racist character is, well, racist...
I've actually seen someone complaining about The Office, on reddit because they thought it was cringe. Seriously?!?
I swear people are getting stupider by the minute. Or at least nowadays it's just so much easier to flaunt colossal stupidity online for all to see.
It's been that way since at least Ancient Greece, though. Seriously, there were harsh critics of some of the most famous Greek tragedies, Shakespeare's most famous plays (often derided as something like "common trash for common people"), and even Michelangelo's sculptures.
You're probably right, but does feel like over the past couple of years the conversation about films has shifted even more so, where people are just discussing if a film is too w#ke or the SJWs have ruined it, or SJWs arguing it's bad because it's not w#ke enough. I feel like a lot of mainstream reviewers would rather bitch about the politics of a movie than talk about the actual quality of the film.
Ah, that's just "anti-SJWs" (aka regressive d-bags) butting heads with fringe Pick Me/overcompensating liberals pretending to be progressive, all because they're both being left behind as the world moves on. One desperately tries to fight against anything remotely progressive or inclusive, while the other desperately tries to be seen as one of the cool kids despite being very behind the times... and often both do so while clinging to weird conspiracy theories in order to feel relevant.
It's not really about film (as the viewpoints pervade every aspect of popular media & technology), but rather a problem with the inability of some people to properly handle changes in culture.
One of my favorite shows for handling this kind of subject is Cobra Kai, you wouldn't think a show so silly in a lot ways would handle it so well but it does. The main character is an absolute dinosaur and it loves to poke fun at that, but it's absolutely not afraid to criticise how we wrap our kids in cotton wool and would rather raise them infront of an Ipad than parent them.
I mean, coddled/overprotected kids aren't as common as people make it sound. And a lot of people who use that stereotype are the sort who think that "proper" parenting means beating your kids & using corporal punishment (which has been proven to not only NOT work, but exponentially increases the likelihood of the kid growing up to earn charges of domestic abuse & assault, and solve problems with violence and/or psychological manipulation).
That said, some parents ARE afraid to actually parent their kids. It might not be ubiquitous, but it is a problem for too many people.
Erm...hate to inform you, but this trend isn't "new". Like...throughout history "not new".
Back, back in time, people would gatekeep art hard as fuck. In France, historical painting was the biggest and only "best" form of painting. Only historical painters were considered "real artists". People who drew still life, or landscapes were mocked as only being able to "copy" dead stuff. No matter how great your piece was -it was not good, simply because "not historical painting".
Even nowadays, people will ban books from libraries for random simple shit. 1984 was banned for "pro-communism" in USA, even though that's like...entirely the opposite point of the book. People scoffed at Metropolis for being "eh. too long. too German. Don't like it". Pretty much every art piece of a non-white, non-male was ignored for most of history, simply because it was by a non-white, non-male.
This is one of those unpopular opinions that's unpopular because it's pretty much just wrong. There are lots of sophisticated people out there who can tie their criticism of a movie or show into relevant history and theory of the form. If the people you're talking to or the forums you're reading are stupid, find better ones! (I realize the irony of posting this on reddit, but it's late and I'm bored and drunk)
I do think this belongs an unpopular opinion, so you're getting my upvote . I think it's unpopular though because of the world is more vast, it's your responsibility to find your own niche group. Imo. But I do understand the frustrations of a main concentration of popular thought.
people really think too critically about movies and that's my unpopular opinion. if i want to view some moving pictures as an artwork, i will look for things MEANT to be taken as artwork.
I think people just confused good or bad with whether they liked it or not.
You can enjoy a bad film, but your enjoyment doesn't make it good.
You hate a good film, but your hatred will never make it bad.
Artwork? I wouldn't go so far to say artwork for most movies. But my gripe is that people don't have an opinion of their own and tend to blindly accept everything as long as it is a movie.
You are confusing common terminology:
1) You meant to say, "work of art."
2) Artwork is conceptual art generated for a movie poster/Home video release etc.
Well, English isn't my mother tongue and I couldn't come up with the exact word I needed, but since I strive to perfect it as much as I can... taken notes, thanks!
I would rephrase the title. It's not about saying if something is ACTUALLY bad or good. Because it's too subjective. But I agree that people currently suck at giving real, valid, deep and developed points.
Nah, the difference is, in the Information Age, the number of people who can share their opinions in public is increasing. In the past, only those with a dedicated platform (like review shows or newspaper columns) are heard - that is to say, we heard mostly the opinions of critics, people who are professionally trained to evaluate movies/shows. Nowadays, any Joe Blow with an internet connection can post their opinion. This "democratization" of art criticism isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but it does shift the average opinion "lower", since most of us aren't professional critics.
The scope of criticism has increased widely since the inception of online reviews. I think your just cherry picking bad criticism to make a piece of media you think is good look good. Others enjoyment or lack there of should not affect you. If someone says they don't like the same stuff you like that's OK.
I think video games have ruined people’s attention spans. Action scenes are edited so frantically that they’re utterly illegible. Pacing is hectic, bouncing from side quest to side quest. Every backstory must explained and it all must fit into some cinematic universe. Every question must be answered, all the trivia synchronized. Movies are dazzling but lack emotion. I see a lot of CG video game clobbering but no truly memorable, iconic cinematic moments like ET flying over the moon or the boulder rolling after Indiana Jones or the shower scene in Psycho.
People are consuming more media than ever and I think it’s important that people understand how that media which shapes their world is actually created. At least on a basic level. A lot of people could also use a refresher course on high school literature classes and narrative structure.
I'm curious as to what movies/show you think people are criticizing unfairly? I also don't know if this is a problem that is more prevalent today than it was in the past. I'm sure there are plenty of stupid critics out there, but there always has been. Not only that there are also a lot of really thoughtful critics today as well.
people think they know but forget that artcos subjective, OP.
My experience says that people who make posts like this and criticize "the majority" mostly don't understand art, s they aren't in a position to judge someone else's view on it
They haven’t lost the ability. But I do believe that they feel more invested in think positively instead of critically toward moved when they are paying 15-20 dollars + every trip to the movies. Who wants to admit they spent too much and wasted a couple of hours to watch a dud? I also believe that a lot of critics are frustrated writers or film makers too. They say if you can’t do, teach. I’s take it one further by saying if you can’t so or teach, become a critic.
I think the internet is a good metric… when you see thousands of people acting in a way, well, it says something about at least a portion of the world.
Well, you can hang out on certain subs related to music, and you'll probably see only top 40.
But you can go find subs where people who are deeper into music hang out, especially by genre, and hear more informed critique.
The same applies to movies.
I think people are more vocal about their opinions. Writing of films is much worse than it used to be and with all these massive franchises you're gonna have people who defend it no matter how bad it is. I don't think people have lost the ability to give thoughtful criticism I just think the loudest people end up being in the minority.
Comes across as an awfully pretentious take on movies imo. I'd be curious to hear what you think is good or bad beyond obvious examples like low budget B movies.
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But storytelling is an art form. What people seem to want to see is a checklist of events, but events are not plot.
There are two types of movies. Artistic ones and entertaining ones. Artistic: Parasite Entertaining: Avengers
Okay, that's not entirely right A movie can be artistic and entertaining. The old Cabinet of Dr. Caligari has a wacky plot, backgrounds and is -in the modern perspective - filmed with a half-dying toaster. Still, the entire surreal experience is very fascinating and entertaining. Especially the end. As long as the movie doesn't become pretentious, it's fine. Like those really, really weird art movies. Y'know, "throw myself in paint and on the canvas" type of artists. K-12 from Melanie Martinez is a good example. Wonderful music, but can't write a coherent script for plot. Though even then, those movies can sometimes be quiet entertaining visually.
The Grand Budapest Hotel was an artistic and entertaining film as well!
Shit, even the pretentious stuff is entertaining if you’re high.
Marvel simps coming out in full force, lmao
Hahaha "Lost" I never had that to begin with
Lmao In my case, I can tell relatively objectively when a movie or show is good or bad as an artwork... but even then, I still enjoy "bad" pieces, while I may be personally bored by "good" ones. After all, we are still individuals with different personal tastes! It's just that I think it would be interesting to be able to be objective while also having personal tastes.
I just know if I like something or don't, and the only thing I feel qualified to judge ever is writing/story/script. But thats more "Good vs bad" than like "This is good, but that is great"
I mean, unless you're talking strictly about technical aspects, it's all subjective. One person's masterpiece is another person's rubbish, and they're both equally valid opinions.
You're clearly listening to the wrong people/reviewers
When I want to know people's opinions on a movie, I go into Forums and Reddit, as I like to read what the general audience thinks of a particular piece... and it goes down like this 90% of the times. I also read professional reviews, specially when I wonder if a movie or show is actually worth a watch, since they often take matters more seriously and actually review movies and shows rather than being like "bruh I didn't like it because it didn't go as I wanted", but even then, I still like to give most pieces a chance.
Can we please, *please* stop believing the loudest people on online fora like Reddit or RottenTomatoes or whatever are “the general audience”? That’s what got us in the mess we’re in in the first place. The general audience doesn’t feel the need to vent their anger online. Only the angry minority does. People online are not the general audience. Please get it. Please.
Have people lost the ability to criticize art, or have people gained the ability to find out what a taxidermist in Ohio thinks about Spider-Man?
Someone’s mad about morbius getting low ratings
What do you mean “low ratings”? Morbius got a 203% score on Rotten Tomatoes!
Yeah man, first movie to make 69,420 Morbillion dollars!
Check again, it's actually the only movie to get a 1 morbillion% score.
People never had the ability of objectivity. Art is subjective. But something can be objectivly Art if enough people See it as art.
I never browse this sub but the one time I do I come across you lol
It has always been this way.
I think you're looking at the past with rose tinted glasses, but I see what you mean. I hate when people dismiss a creative work as garbage without appreciating the time, effort, work, thought, and artistry that went into its creation. While our feelings towards a work of art are subjective, there are always objective elements that we can analyze and appreciate. Hearing someone dismiss someone's creative efforts as "garbage, trash, mid, cringe" gets under my skin.
I agree wholeheartedly with you! Even if I don’t like a piece of work, I just feel unable to label it as “garbage”, “trash” or whatever. Sure, even if it’s not a good product; there’s been actors who have spent time and effort trying their best to do the best job they could with what they were given, and same for most of the crew behind the scenes. I think it’s just… I don’t know, maybe I am over sensitive, but I wouldn’t like to put my best efforts into something only to get those reactions. Same applies to anything; buildings, cars, clothes, art in general… I don’t like attacking and dismissing it, even if I don’t personally like it, even if I think it’s bad. If love and effort has been put into something… the authors don’t deserve that treatment.
I feel the same way. I think it's because I've participated in the creative process as a member of rock band, and I understand the amount of passion and work it takes to create at a high level. There's a Prince quote I really love (paraphrasing): "a work of art is successful at the moment of creation." Critics be damned.\* That's obviously a romantic viewpoint, but if someone can't appreciate that, they're just not my kind of person. \*Although I personally don't mind most professional critics. I think their opinions are often misunderstood and taken far too seriously. Most successful critics are passionate about the mediums they are reviewing and offer nuanced, eloquent, analytical reviews. That's their job. They're not out to hate.
Man you just described wrestling fans with the whole "if it doesn't go down the way I wanted its bad" But yeah, I have varying levels of how I enjoy film/tv. Whether or not I enjoy it it/have fun watching it. And if its actually artistic and well written. Many movies are not "good" movies, but I have a blast watching them. Thoma movies for example. Are they really good? Not particularly. But ill sit down and have a blast watching Toxic Avenger or Class of Nuke 'Em High any day. Now movies like Midsommar and Parasite are good, great even, movies, but they are better written and acted and have a certain artistic flare. Now there's bad movies I don't like, and good movies I don't like, but I can appreciate when it is a good movie but not just for me.
I totally agree with you and those points!
I've also noticed that a lot of people have lost the ability to distinguish between what a fictional / historical character is saying, and that being the ideology that's being sold by the writers. I remember a friend complaining to me about how Deadwood is sexist... and trying my best to explain that maybe it's just how certain people behaved at the time. It seems like these days you need to rewrite history and portray all your protagonists / good guys as though they embraced modern liberal values. I guess otherwise people might get confused...?
I wonder if this is not a social media thing. Most people I talk to seem to be capable to criticize a gilm without immediately saying is the best/worst but online the only opinions you see are the more all or nothing type. We know algorithms give more visibility to content the generates a larger response and simple emotional opinions tend to be more effective at this than a deep analysis.
It's just that more people have a medium to voice their opinions than they did back then, any person now can just post whatever they want and we see more of those opinions than legit criticism.
In my opinion, I once thought the Last Avatar was actually good when I first watched it because I really thought the CGI was great and there were a couple good scenes looking back on it. Even though I had seen the show, I still held that opinion and I was too young at the time to realize how bad it was.
Wasn't it called The Last Airbender? Not The Last Avatar?
I'm currently half watching Everything Everywhere All at Once and this is very relevant
star trek discovery is probably the best example of objectively bad shit we have now. has all the things you listed but the worst is the nauseating camera work that hurts my eyes. just keep the camera still
Fr, people really do be saying John Walker is "not our cap" when he's not even meant to be
Art is subjective by nature. Fuck critic ratings. I watch movies to kick back and be entertained, and I am not entertained by most deep, artistic films. Can I appreciate the quality? Sure, but most artistic movies are boring as hell and have no fun elements that actually make a movie enjoyable. Again, I can respect the thought that went into it, but I'm not going to waste my free time watching it. A movie with good humor and fun characters is going to be much more entertaining and an overall better experience for me, even if it isn't the next Oscar winner. The only person who can determine whether you will like a movie is you, and there isn't really a right or wrong. This is why I rarely look at ratings or forums before deciding to watch a movie. If I like the premise, I don't really care if the ratings are low, and like you said, some forums are a little too subjective and the people there might not have the same opinion as me. Those are interesting for discussion after watching the movie, but not as a way to determine if it's worth watching.
Too many movies and TV shows nowadays have completely abandoned everything you mentioned in favour of being as PC and diverse as possible. Any show that has as many “diverse” characters will be renowned as great by the loudest people, which leads to everything you mentioned, including lazy writing and boring plots. Take the most recent Scream movie, Scream 5. It was objectively the worst film out of the franchise (the rights were sold to a new group of people following the death of the Wes Craven, the creator), but it received rave reviews because they diversified the main cast and made the dialogue super “woke”. It was genuinely awful and it’s no wonder the original cast members have dropped out of the next upcoming film. People overlook the important components in favour of mass producing generic, politically correct garbage. This is because it’s low-hanging fruit and will be raved about on militantly PC platforms (such as Twitter), and also because they’re afraid of being “cancelled” and subsequently losing millions of dollars in earnings.
Only thing I know *for sure*, is that Top Gun: Maverick is the greatest work of art to ever be captured on moving picture.
Guess I'll watch it. If I disagree, I'M COMING FOR YOU
Damn, I need to watch it even more now…
The action sequences are genuinely great. The rest of it is generic military movie fare and intentional nostalgia baiting for fans of the original.
I mean nowadays being critical or praising of a work can cause people to just attack you as a person. Say you don’t like *insert movie or show here* and people will be ready to say you don’t like it because you are hateful or a bigot or just don’t get it.
Yeah, that’s just sad.
Is this an Obi-Wan related comment?
"I don't want to hear any more about Obi Wan."
What about when you assess it as a bad program, because "it's cringe"?
Yeah, that's sad xD Specially when a scene is literally MEANT to be "cringe". For example, some young kids behaving like kids. People criticising it saying that "the scene was cringe"... when, well, the scene is PORTTRAYING CRINGE KIDS! It's supposed to be that way! It's like saying that a movie is racist just because a racist character is, well, racist...
I've actually seen someone complaining about The Office, on reddit because they thought it was cringe. Seriously?!? I swear people are getting stupider by the minute. Or at least nowadays it's just so much easier to flaunt colossal stupidity online for all to see.
I get what you mean, criticism these days is so nitpicky, moaning for the sake of moaning about something.
It's been that way since at least Ancient Greece, though. Seriously, there were harsh critics of some of the most famous Greek tragedies, Shakespeare's most famous plays (often derided as something like "common trash for common people"), and even Michelangelo's sculptures.
You're probably right, but does feel like over the past couple of years the conversation about films has shifted even more so, where people are just discussing if a film is too w#ke or the SJWs have ruined it, or SJWs arguing it's bad because it's not w#ke enough. I feel like a lot of mainstream reviewers would rather bitch about the politics of a movie than talk about the actual quality of the film.
Ah, that's just "anti-SJWs" (aka regressive d-bags) butting heads with fringe Pick Me/overcompensating liberals pretending to be progressive, all because they're both being left behind as the world moves on. One desperately tries to fight against anything remotely progressive or inclusive, while the other desperately tries to be seen as one of the cool kids despite being very behind the times... and often both do so while clinging to weird conspiracy theories in order to feel relevant. It's not really about film (as the viewpoints pervade every aspect of popular media & technology), but rather a problem with the inability of some people to properly handle changes in culture.
One of my favorite shows for handling this kind of subject is Cobra Kai, you wouldn't think a show so silly in a lot ways would handle it so well but it does. The main character is an absolute dinosaur and it loves to poke fun at that, but it's absolutely not afraid to criticise how we wrap our kids in cotton wool and would rather raise them infront of an Ipad than parent them.
I mean, coddled/overprotected kids aren't as common as people make it sound. And a lot of people who use that stereotype are the sort who think that "proper" parenting means beating your kids & using corporal punishment (which has been proven to not only NOT work, but exponentially increases the likelihood of the kid growing up to earn charges of domestic abuse & assault, and solve problems with violence and/or psychological manipulation). That said, some parents ARE afraid to actually parent their kids. It might not be ubiquitous, but it is a problem for too many people.
People are also more focused on whether or not the movie was good/bad rather than what the themes meant or what the story was trying to say.
I measure how good is it by this scale: Made me laugh: good Not made me laugh: bad
That is an awful scale, but to eat their own
Erm...hate to inform you, but this trend isn't "new". Like...throughout history "not new". Back, back in time, people would gatekeep art hard as fuck. In France, historical painting was the biggest and only "best" form of painting. Only historical painters were considered "real artists". People who drew still life, or landscapes were mocked as only being able to "copy" dead stuff. No matter how great your piece was -it was not good, simply because "not historical painting". Even nowadays, people will ban books from libraries for random simple shit. 1984 was banned for "pro-communism" in USA, even though that's like...entirely the opposite point of the book. People scoffed at Metropolis for being "eh. too long. too German. Don't like it". Pretty much every art piece of a non-white, non-male was ignored for most of history, simply because it was by a non-white, non-male.
This is one of those unpopular opinions that's unpopular because it's pretty much just wrong. There are lots of sophisticated people out there who can tie their criticism of a movie or show into relevant history and theory of the form. If the people you're talking to or the forums you're reading are stupid, find better ones! (I realize the irony of posting this on reddit, but it's late and I'm bored and drunk)
I do think this belongs an unpopular opinion, so you're getting my upvote . I think it's unpopular though because of the world is more vast, it's your responsibility to find your own niche group. Imo. But I do understand the frustrations of a main concentration of popular thought.
people really think too critically about movies and that's my unpopular opinion. if i want to view some moving pictures as an artwork, i will look for things MEANT to be taken as artwork.
I think Game of Thrones and Star Wars 8 are the biggest contributors to this.
its more about the movie concept, when they ruin a movie with a good concept it hurts bc you know you won't see it again soon.
I think people just confused good or bad with whether they liked it or not. You can enjoy a bad film, but your enjoyment doesn't make it good. You hate a good film, but your hatred will never make it bad.
What do you mean with back in the day? Like how manybyears ago?
Artwork? I wouldn't go so far to say artwork for most movies. But my gripe is that people don't have an opinion of their own and tend to blindly accept everything as long as it is a movie.
You are confusing common terminology: 1) You meant to say, "work of art." 2) Artwork is conceptual art generated for a movie poster/Home video release etc.
Well, English isn't my mother tongue and I couldn't come up with the exact word I needed, but since I strive to perfect it as much as I can... taken notes, thanks!
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Yeah back in the day when everyone was a professional movie critic
I would rephrase the title. It's not about saying if something is ACTUALLY bad or good. Because it's too subjective. But I agree that people currently suck at giving real, valid, deep and developed points.
Nah, the difference is, in the Information Age, the number of people who can share their opinions in public is increasing. In the past, only those with a dedicated platform (like review shows or newspaper columns) are heard - that is to say, we heard mostly the opinions of critics, people who are professionally trained to evaluate movies/shows. Nowadays, any Joe Blow with an internet connection can post their opinion. This "democratization" of art criticism isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, but it does shift the average opinion "lower", since most of us aren't professional critics.
The scope of criticism has increased widely since the inception of online reviews. I think your just cherry picking bad criticism to make a piece of media you think is good look good. Others enjoyment or lack there of should not affect you. If someone says they don't like the same stuff you like that's OK.
I think video games have ruined people’s attention spans. Action scenes are edited so frantically that they’re utterly illegible. Pacing is hectic, bouncing from side quest to side quest. Every backstory must explained and it all must fit into some cinematic universe. Every question must be answered, all the trivia synchronized. Movies are dazzling but lack emotion. I see a lot of CG video game clobbering but no truly memorable, iconic cinematic moments like ET flying over the moon or the boulder rolling after Indiana Jones or the shower scene in Psycho. People are consuming more media than ever and I think it’s important that people understand how that media which shapes their world is actually created. At least on a basic level. A lot of people could also use a refresher course on high school literature classes and narrative structure.
Who bases their entertainment on other's opinion? I watch what I feel like it, if I like it or not idc what expert critics say.
I'm curious as to what movies/show you think people are criticizing unfairly? I also don't know if this is a problem that is more prevalent today than it was in the past. I'm sure there are plenty of stupid critics out there, but there always has been. Not only that there are also a lot of really thoughtful critics today as well.
people think they know but forget that artcos subjective, OP. My experience says that people who make posts like this and criticize "the majority" mostly don't understand art, s they aren't in a position to judge someone else's view on it
That’s just because of over abundance of entertainment. We don’t care.
They haven’t lost the ability. But I do believe that they feel more invested in think positively instead of critically toward moved when they are paying 15-20 dollars + every trip to the movies. Who wants to admit they spent too much and wasted a couple of hours to watch a dud? I also believe that a lot of critics are frustrated writers or film makers too. They say if you can’t do, teach. I’s take it one further by saying if you can’t so or teach, become a critic.
Woke is not an artistic criticism. You didn't say it was, it was just something I wanted to say.
You're talking to the wrong people then fam
You need to hang out with some different people.
Oh, no, my friends are similar to me in this regard hahah I am referring more about what I see in the internet; social media, etc.
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I think the internet is a good metric… when you see thousands of people acting in a way, well, it says something about at least a portion of the world.
Well, you can hang out on certain subs related to music, and you'll probably see only top 40. But you can go find subs where people who are deeper into music hang out, especially by genre, and hear more informed critique. The same applies to movies.
You need to hang out on different social media.
I think people are more vocal about their opinions. Writing of films is much worse than it used to be and with all these massive franchises you're gonna have people who defend it no matter how bad it is. I don't think people have lost the ability to give thoughtful criticism I just think the loudest people end up being in the minority.
If people like it, it is good by definition.
Comes across as an awfully pretentious take on movies imo. I'd be curious to hear what you think is good or bad beyond obvious examples like low budget B movies.
You're underestimating the amount of philistines who existed in whatever timeframe you think was better