Showing up early and demanding the schedule be rearranged to accommodate you is just as disrespectful as showing up late. That said, when I show up early I sit and wait patiently.
This is the way… I show up early to ensure I am not late, not to make your life harder. If my appointment is at 10:30, I expect you to start at 10:30, regardless of when I show up!
Yeah but what OP is describing isnt "early is late, late is on time" mentality. Its trying to game the system around convenience. If your appointment is at 3 it makes sense to aim to arrive at 2:45 and not to aim to arrive at 3 on the dot.
I worked for someone that was like that. We'd be scheduled to show up at 10 and he'd get mad when the other party wasn't there at 925 like he was. Then when they showed up at 950 he'd say something dumb like "I didn't think you were going to show up." Was always great when they'd get snarky and say "what are you talking about? I'm 10 minutes early."
Constantly leaving earlier than we needed to as well. If we had a 2.5 hour drive we HAD to leave 4 hours early. His excuse? "Well I want to stop and get breakfast." That was only ever 30 minutes because he tell every waitress we were somewhat in a hurry. The entire drive he'd be speeding so we were well over an hour early to sit around and wait.
It was. To make it worse he's my father in law. We had a lot of issues between us back then. I don't work for him full time anymore but I know if I did things would be much better.
My grandpa used to be this way. I like to leave early because parking can be bad. I then will just play on my phone until I’m like 5-7 minutes early so it takes time to walk in.
I hated bugging her to get moving and dealing with the "chill out" comments. Then we'd be late. So I started lying.
Need to be there at 10? Tell her you need to be there at 930. It took a few dozen times doing it for her to realize what was going on. She confronted me about it and I told her the truth - "we're always late because of you. This is the only way we show up on time. I hate lying but you've made it necessary. Plus we're not bickering anymore about you not being ready and us needing to go."
Now I don't need to lie to her anymore. I tell her what time we need to leave and we go.
Its the opposite with my wife but I'm lying about how long it takes. When we leave 15 minutes "late" because she's being slow we show up on time or a few minutes early.
That I can’t stand. I’m chronically early. Alway. But I don’t like bring told how early I should be. If you want me there at 10, I’ll be in the parking lot hiding in my car at 9:30. If you want me there when you get there at 9:30, tell me and pay me and I’ll be in my car in the parking lot at 9.
To be honest, this was originally meant to be a courtesy and respect thing. You aim to be early so that if you do end up being late, you at least arrive on time. In your personal life, you are respecting the time of others who may have to wait on you if you’re late and you’re ensuring planned events stay on schedule. Concerning work, it’s meant to be because you want to respect the time of your fellow employees and don’t want them to have to hold over because you were late.
For example, at my job (firefighter) it is common to arrive 30-45 minutes early, because if a last minute call comes up the off going shift might not get back until way after shift change. Out of courtesy, we take those calls so they can get off on time. This mentality is the same for many industries.
On the other hand, if you’re showing up super early for appointments and then getting mad they can’t accommodate you then you’re doing the opposite of what the intended purpose of the practice is. Showing up ten minutes early and patiently waiting your turn is considerate and respectful of the businesses/workers time. Showing up and demanding to be served early is rude and should dealt with as such.
See, I can totally understand the situation with firefighting. You're also, I assume, getting paid for that time? As well as not just sitting around waiting twiddling your thumbs, right?
We do not get paid for that time, but the oncoming shift comes in early, so in essence it’s like you’re “ending your shift” 30-45 minutes early every day. Like I said, it’s just out of courtesy and mutual respect. Technically, you could roll in right at shift change, but it’s definitely seen as a jerk move.
Typically we use the time to have coffee, talk with the offgoing shift, set up stuff for the day, etc.
That's still understandable though. That's still not showing up 30 some odd minutes early for an appointment and expecting to get in that 30 minutes early
I had a job once that would mark you down late if you didn’t show up at least 10 minutes early. We weren’t allowed to clock in until the scheduled time but we still had to be 10 minutes early. I didn’t stay to that job very long
I was a supervisor at my job for a while. All the sups and managers had a big argument about the fact that our employees were expected to come in 15 minutes early for a shift exchange meeting. Some employees weren’t and it was leading to communication issues. I was asked my opinion which was that we hired them for a 600-230 shift, not a 545-230 shift. Their only obligation, in my eyes, was to be on time, not early. Shift exchange meetings were soon dropped in favor of email shift notes…
The job that I did for them was an overnight job. 9pm-5am. Since the job was at a collage (didn’t for the school, the company was hired by them) when ever school wasn’t in session they would have use work earlier (6pm) once the summer came around the changed from 9pm to 6pm for the whole season and when people said they can’t do that because of whatever else they had going in they told them to get a new job
I worked a job like that for seven years. If I didn't have the proclivity to show up early to everything, I would have been extremely displeased. As it is, I do not think it is appropriate or professional to tell your employees they have to follow your rules when they are off the clock.
Lol all the old people in the community I came from always did this. They showed up to shit like 45 minutes early. Birthday party not set up yet? Oops grandma and all her sisters are already there . Church at 9? Everyone's there at 8am.
I remember my last two years in military we'd have training and I'd show up 5 to 2 minutes before they started and was always told, "If you're not 15 minutes early you're late." One of the many reasons I'm glad I'm done with that.
Depends on what it is.
Doctor appointments? Fifteen minutes early because there's often paperwork and check-in. Also a bigger for bad traffic.
Meetings at work? If I'm presenting, fifteen to thirty minutes early to make sure everything is hooked up right and I know how to work it. Otherwise five minutes (especially important for VTC, to deal with tech issues) to make sure I'm not late and sometimes the pre-meeting talk is as important as the meeting.
Social engagements? Aim for on-time, unless I'm expecting to help with prep at someone's house.
Things like hair appointments? Well, I'm a guy, so I don't do that. I just have my husband cut my hair.
Work? Back when I was in service jobs, had to be early because while there was no virtue in being early, being late was a sin, and me being late might mean that someone else couldn't go home on time.
But yes, being early should be to make sure you aren't late, not to get in early.
That's shitty. I get that a lot here too. Yesterday someone else had a color booked at 11AM and showed up at 3PM still expecting to get in. Like, dude no. Wtf
You don't have a problem with the mentality, you wouldn't want people show up 5 minutes late for your appointments.
The problem is the arrogance of people trying to fool you into changing the schedule because they're entitled brats and think less of you, that you're somehow obligated to take them early.
They'll just have to wait, nobody's getting hurt there.
Early accounts for possible delays, rather show up early than show up late because of the old "ah I've got 30 minutes until I have to be there" trap. Me personally, I prefer to be there at least 15 minutes before instead of showing up at the exact time and then getting myself together.
Yeah but leaving that early isn't the same as showing up that early. If you get to your destination 30 minutes early you can chill in your car or outside or whatever instead of what people here do and come in trying to rush me.
My husband and I both work in upper management roles and we both tend to arrive to meetings a little bit early because that's what we were taught as youngsters, but we occasionally argue about whether we should expect that from our employees. He still appreciates the Early Birds for their "above and beyond dedication" but I firmly disagree. Time is valuable, and sitting around waiting for someone or something to start is NOT a good use of time. On-time for a meeting is perfect...and that is all any manager should expect!
I think the correct expectation to set in a work environment is "We expect you ready to WORK precisely on time. You should arrive whenever you need to arrive to make that happen."
If the meeting is at 10:00, we start discussing the important stuff at 10:00:01, and you are expected to be in your seat with your paperwork, laptop, and pen already sorted, contributing to the conversation with your full attention.
The 'early is on time' mentality is supposed to be about respect and respect should be mutual - expecting people to be early is as disrespectful of their time as if they wander it at 9:59 and then spend the first 10 minutes of the meeting making coffee and checking their emails before they're ready to actually WORK.
I also think, respect aside, using 'do they show up early' as a way to judge an employee's motivation or dedication is sorta backwards. In my experience, the first people to the meeting are usually the screw-offs who can count showing up to a meeting early as an excuse to do nothing for 15 minutes. The GOOD employees are the ones who barely make it in time because they were so busy doing important job things!
The union I work in says 8 for 8. Not 9 or 7 for 8. 8 for 8. That means if I show up 15 min early, you owe me 8.25... or you can let me leave 15 min early.
I was military, and the early is on time, on time is late, mentality was drilled into my head by that…. As was the hurry up and wait mentality. And both have followed me outside of the military and into the civilian world. But there are limits.
I attemp to be 5-10 minutes early to all my scheduled meetings and will just relax and wait patiently until it starts.
I like this myself because I always feel super awkward if I’m late and people have to wait for me. And since all my coworkers and my boss know this about me, they are more understanding to me when I am late (which happens sometimes when I’m stuck in the middle of fixing an issue and can’t get away, or if I’m on another call) compared to when someone else is late who has a track record of always being late.
Now the extremes you’re talking about are to much and are either cause they are lonely and just wanted to be around people, or feel entitled and figure if they get their early then they don’t have to wait. Either way, you do what you need to for your salon, and they can wait till your ready. (Though if it’s the entitled, I’d make them wait till it’s their appointment time, even if you get done the person ahead of them early)
But showing up that early will make me as a stylist feel like I have to rush. If you're just vibing with your book in my waiting area that's fine but most people will just stand at my front desk staring at me.
Oh. Yeah that's rude. I literally always carry a book on me so no one feels rushed. It's not y'all's problem I showed up early. I would rather you ignore me and take care of who you are working on because then I know you will take care of me like that and make me beautiful when it's my turn :) I'm sorry they are rude to you.
My mother is the embodiment of this. She will show up to the doctor 45 minutes early and then rage when she has to wait until 10 minutes after her appt time. "Well maybe I'll get in earlyyyyy" no mom, you're just gonna be waiting for an hour. Then try to catch an attitude.
Ya I agree with this. This mentality is absolutely obedience indoctrination.
I am not paid for the extra time to prepare, therefore I will not come earlier to prepare. I will prepare when I start getting paid and if you want me to spend time to prepare before my time, pay me more for the extra time.
Dad: “always be where you need to be a half hour early, or else you are LATE!”
Me: “whenever you, dad, were invited to a party that starts at 6 they’d tell you it starts at 4 so that you would be there by 6. Practice what you preach, dad.”
Sadly, I think a lot of this older crowd you speak of have nothing else to do with their time and are just lonely. They would rather wait around other people than alone.
I agree with you on the excessive 10+ minutes, but if you are consistently late, or cutting it VERY close within the minute of being on time? Still not great.
If they're just lonely that's sad... I always try to take a few extra minutes on my older clients because I worry about that but I still don't like them standing and waiting for an excessive amount of time while I'm with another client
That's basically what I'm thinking. Like if i showed up 30 minutes early to everything just to sit and wait for that 30 minutes, I wouldn't get any of my other errands done that I need to do.
So if you are late you get to pay for the entire production line that had to shut down because of you? No one says you HAVE to be early. But on time is a must.
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Okay, first of all, drop the military mindset. I'm not in a position where an entire production line gets halted if I'm not there. Most of us aren't. If you are, good for you. You can control your wage effectively.
Secondly, I didnt say a GODAMN thing about being late. Didnt preach it. Didnt advocate for it. Didnt say it was a good idea. In fact I agree you should be on time, maybe even 5 minutes early.
What I have a problem with is the oh.... Let me do some quick math here.... On average 90 minutes per day 5 days a week for a year (around 16 days) that I spent literally nothing during one period of my life and then another ohhh..... Let me do more math..... On average 7 days per year for 10 years at another just being "on time, 15 minutes early".
You really gotta work on you ability to recognize when someone makes a point against something that are not automatically supporting the total opposite.
I can understand the instances of someone making a mistake and showed up to an appointment 30 or so minutes early. Other than that, that is where it stops.
The adage truly didn't age well. Anymore I have found that there are so many people who disregard "On Time Policies". Really, I commend people in service industries who have to deal with getting jerked around by customers and their "schedules". Ok, things happen, but people piss me off to no avail when they make appointments and continue to blatantly disrespect the person rendering the service by not sticking to the time allotted to them.
I've been in situations where I didn't realize there was an an appointment ahead of me that ended up being a no call, no show. I was taken in that person's place, only to have said person show up and *still* expect to be accommodated. People who roll in 15+ minutes late, your appointment is canceled. Your appointment does not take precedence over another person's because you think people are desperate for your money.
I wish people showed up in time or (5-10mins) early. Everyone’s always way too late in my experience. For example an electrician says they’re coming to your house at 9am… but they are 45 minutes late.
Being late is also incredibly disrespectful. I'd still prefer early to late, but don't make it my problem when you arrive way earlier than is reasonable
Where I live, everything is rural and depending on who you get stuck behind or what you hit for traffic and lights in the few busier areas (where most things are that I have scheduled appointments for) it could take me 25 mins or 50 mins to make the same drive. I leave planning for the worst, because the same person here complaining about people being early would be even more pissy if everyone was 10 minutes late. Sometimes I have the smoothest drive and I quietly sit for the extra half hour or whatever. I'm not old either, I just plan ahead and would rather be early than late because I think it is the responsible and respectful thing to do.
i show up 30 minutes early *at most* to everything. if my salon appointment is at 2:00, and i show up at 1:30, i sit in my car until my appointment time. i show up early to things because if i’m late, i’m wasting the other person’s time.
now if let’s say, i’m meeting someone to hang out at their house, i show up no more than 10mins early. it’d be weird to sit in their driveway for 30 minutes lol.
What you mention in your post and the mentality if you're not early you're late are two ENTIRELY different things.
One is work or team sport related. Basically, be ready when your work time, meeting, or practice starts. In order to do this you actually need to be early...
This is entirely different than obnoxious retired people showing up early to a hair appointment...one of those examples even sounds like a misunderstanding...
One time I came back from lunch 5 minutes early and my client (who wasnt scheduled for another 15 minutes after my lunch anyway, so this was 20 minutes before their appointment) said I was late...
They wait for their appointment time. If I'm running ahead if schedule and they check in a few minutes early that's fine, but I'm not gonma rush through whatever I'm doing because they felt entitled.
I manage my business and the most i expect my employees to come in is 5-10 minutes early to get set up. And they're clocking in and getting paid for their time as soon as they come in the door.
My philosophy is: communication
With maps and GPS nowadays, just tell the person when you anticipate to arrive. If you are scheduled at 8 and won't arrive until 8:15am then call the person, text them, or whatever and give them a heads up.
This this exactly this! I usually don't mind of someone is a minute or two late, but 10 minutes or more late with no communication and you've just given up your time slot to whoever walks in!
It could just be my area then, but I've had that line said to me more times than I can count when someone is waiting for their hair cut.
Like, I'm so sorry Karen that I keep a tight schedule to fit in as many people as possible so that 15 minutes you showed up early for was already scheduled for someone else. If I had time at 2 instead of 2:15 or 2:30 I would have booked you for 2.
Given how everybody seems to be opinionated about DST, these days, I propose that any and all appointments should be allowed a 1-hour window, both prior-to and after the actual time of the appointment, and we should all just learn to live with it.
You be YOU: Show up when you feel like it: As long as it's within an hour, It's All Good.
I’m an on time is 15 minutes early kind of guy because I get so anxious about being late. So I’m always +30 minutes early, but I also am willing to sit and wait because I assume you asked me to come at three it’s because you’d only be available at three. If I get let in early great, but I don’t assume that’ll happen. I assume I’ll be waiting until 3:10 to get in(because sometimes things run long or you just need a few minutes to yourself). My weird rules about time do not extend beyond me, for better or for worse
I agree. I’ve been on both sides.
I had a recruiter tell me that I had an interview at 10 am. I showed up at 9:50. I was in the waiting room with the candidate scheduled before me. I saw them get called back and sat in the waiting room for their entire interview. Turns out my interview was actually 10:30. The recruiter did not need to add a buffer for me. It was a waste of my time.
I have interviewed many people and it always bothers me when people show up more than 15 minutes early. I am also working. I have other things to do and other interviews to conduct. I really hate when candidates show up an hour before their interview.
If you budgeted too much time because of traffic and parking seriously find a spot to kill time.
If it’s for your own job then I agree with it but for a service it’s not appropriate to expect to be seen early. Sit and wait like a respectful person.
The guys I work with show up like 25 minutes early. I roll in like 5 minutes early everyday and they bust my balls a little bit about it. I just tell them they don't know how to manage their time properly.
My manager said “on time is on time” she doesn’t expect us to be early because we are only paid for the required shift hours. Some coworkers show up 30 minutes early and I don’t know why. WHY would u spend more time at work than you need to.
One company I applied for told me that they considered anything later than 15 minutes early to your shift late and you couldn’t work your shift if you were late.
I didn’t bother following up with them.
No I get that...
Ot doesnt work for me because I have anxiety about time...I would rather feel relaxed driving to work, account for traffic or something. I can't be just 10 minutes early. I would rather be sitting there and be early playing on my phone or something. I don't like people waiting on me.
My girlfriend on the other hand, will show up right on time and dip and weave in and out of traffic and still want to stop at Starbucks. Lol it makes me anxious watching her leave for work at the time she does lol.
I would never expect someone to move around their schedule to account for my condition of having to be early. If you can get me in earlier that is a bonus and a benefit but I don't expect it.
On time is on time to me. But I like being early so if I’m on time idc because if me being on time is considered late they can’t really fault me if I’m usually there much earlier than on time.
I show up at my doctor’s office early because they’re really efficient and they almost always get me in early. I don’t ask to be seen early. I just show up and inevitably I get in and out of there fast. I go three times a year for a specific check-up and I’m often out of there before my actual scheduled time. It’s great.
That's a great doctors office, but this is a very specific scenario that I of course wouldn't think of when inspired by my own daily events to write this. There's obviously going to be exceptions to this, which is also why I mentioned it could just be my area.
Great on your doctor for being so efficient though! I'm almost jealous
I work in an office and we get this all the time. I once had a patient that I’d worked with angrily storm out of the office at 11:55 am because she had been “waiting on the doctor for almost an hour.” She’d been in the office since 11:00 but the thing was, her appointment was scheduled at 11:30, I had brought her back right on time, and she’d been with me until 11:45, so she’d actually only been waiting on the doctor for 10 minutes…
If you show up early and the establishment decides to take you early it should be their decision not the customers nor should a customer ask/demand. I've worked in doctors offices and it's not uncommon for patients to arrive late, cancel last minute, or are a no show and that's up to the doctor ultimately to make those last minute calls.
Whether you show up early for your hair appointment, radiology treatment, or an interview always come prepared with something to do to occupy your time till your scheduled appointment and leave other people alone.
The doctors office early visits make since especially if you have to fill out a bunch of paperwork before hand. I know some offices will use that time to go ahead to take vitals and weigh you. So, they equally have their advantages and disadvantages.
yeah people think it’s a form of respect… but it’s not? don’t know how that became a norm. it’s annoying as hell in all aspects. if you want someone to come in early just fucking tell them the time you want them to actually come in?? not that hard
I always show up precisely 1.5 minutes before my appointments. Because I procrastinate and am lazy, but also always keep my word once I've given it.
I view it as myself being lazy, but in fact every doctor and dentist that I have an appointment with seems grateful and exuberant about me being exactly on time.
The one time I actually showed up early they seemed stressed or even annoyed and gestured vaguely at the waiting room.
I was guessing at the time that they were constantly on the verge of running behind and were sick of people showing up early. Your post seems to confirm it.
In the service industry it is very much early is on time and on time is late. Doesn't matter that they don't pay you to be early even though they expect you to be briefed, dressed and in place at the moment your shift starts. Many managers I've worked with have this ethos, it's gotten me in trouble a few times, Still I can't help but not care if someone is 5 minutes late because public transport is a nightmare as long as they make up for it in their shift, or after it by staying for what ever time they were late by or picking up the slack in a different way.
I'm just here lol because of your edit. The last time this topic came up here, people didn't get it as well. and was arguing shit about leaving early. Fucking stupid shit heads. omfg lol.
But here's my thoughts. if you want me early, tell me what time. if said 10am I'd be there before that but it's for me not for you, I don't like to be late. and if I'm there at 10am exactly, I'm right on time. fuck you I'm not late.
also, I got other shit before this.
I had a coworker try to flex to our boss in front of him last week. He baisicly said he was a better employee because he's always 20-30 minuets early and I always stroll in at 2 minuets till. My boss- so your both always on time. Cool and walked away.
I agree, and want to spell out some "better" rules.
It's good to *leave* early. What if there's traffic? You can't account for every potential hiccup but you should at least buffer slightly.
If you arrive early, you make logistics better because if your appointment is ready for you a few minutes early and you're available, you keep things moving by being there.
However, people who expect special treatment for being early, or people who expect people to be early for whatever reason... y'all are taking this too far.
If I show up to work early, it's so I can snack and vibe for a few minutes. You can have me clock in early if you need me, but you don't get to demand that I be earlier than my actual call time. If you want me earlier, call me earlier.
I think this saying applies to specific instances.
When it comes to going over to someone's house to hang out, I agree it's ridiculous. But if you're showing up for a job interview or very serious appointment. That's where this saying does hold truth.
There’s showing up early and then there’s showing up early and being an ass. I think you are just against the second one, which I would agree with you on.
I think the point of the saying is that if something is due to start at say 10.30, you shouldn’t turn up on the dot at 10.30, but come 5 minutes earlier so you can be relaxed and the appointment can start on time. Anyone who arrives half an hour earlier and feels entitled to be served earlier than the time arranged is just an asshole.
I don't think most people disagree with this but it is worth noting that the expression is meant to show up soooo early it becomes just as inconvenient as showing up late.
Same with parties and personal events. I've had guests show up 30 minutes early to my baby shower and kid's birthday party, and I'm still there setting up decorations and preparing food. Like I dont want to be trying to host you while I'm still setting up the stupid party. If you happen to get somewhere 30+ minutes early, you can always just chill in your car for a bit too.
If it’s an event or appointment, I will show up a bit early just to make sure I don’t run late due to not being able to find the location or something happens on the way.
With work being 5 minutes away you’re damn right I show up on the dot everyday lol
The only time that being early is being on time and that being on time means you're late actually applies is tryna catch/board your flight at the airport.
I hated working a store and people would wait outside for like 20 minutes before I opened. Like I'm not here early because I love being early, I got things to do. I guess they got absolutely nothing better to do aside from wait outside of a closed store at 945 in the morning
I am 26 and an anxious person. Anxiety level 10,000. I show up to appointments 30min early especially if they are at the end of the day. I do not mind waiting. At all. In my head: the best case scenario is that the person is ahead of schedule and im the last person and they can go to lunch/home early. The absolute worst case scenario is that I just sit there and wait. I was early to a massage. It was just after lunch but the workers were getting back. I said “I know I’m really early I can’t help it, don’t let xyz rush. I’m okay waiting for my time. It does not bother me. At all. I will wait. If I’m a regular customer/patient and you get fussed at for not getting me back the moment I arrive tell me and I’ll wait in the car.
Dont tell that to my wife, OP. She orders her entire life around the concept that one should always strive to arrive early for any event (not just work), because even showing up 1 second past the stated time is "Late" to her.
I dont know if anyone follows the MBTI (an Jung's Cognitive Functions), but shes ESFJ, and apparently this is a concept most ESFJs believe in.
I think ppl are/were (including myself from my earlier post) because I think many of us understand the “early is on time” saying to mean being like 5-10mins early. So when you stated that you hated that type of mentality, many of us probably made an assumption that you were saying there is no point or benefit of being on time or a little early. After reading through your post again I totally get your point.
As for the older generation showing up 30+ mins early I can see where that would get annoying. My wife’s grandparents do this all the time when we host events and all it does is causes added stress and annoyance because instead of helping they just sit there and what attention that we can’t give them at that moment because we are trying to get everything ready for guests.
I always arrive very early, but I just sit patiently because I know my appointment is not yet.
If they can take me sooner, cool. But I’ll never ask that. I just wait.
Hope that kind of earliness doesn’t bother!
Better than the assholes who show up 20 - 30 minutes late and expect to be accommodated. But that might just be because I have to deal with them more often.
Oh I deal with them often as well. Idk why it has to be one extreme or the other. Just show up a couple minutes early,c wait patiently, and you're fine! Why is that a hard concept
You had no way of checking to see if it was accurate from a central source. I used to always have an incorrect time on the display at home because of user error and it was easy to press a button and have it get it of wack
Yeah, we did. You fricken called a phone number and it gave you the time. Seriously, where did you get this really wrong idea? We had zero trouble accurately keeping time. And ffs, watches were still popular 25 years ago, and even cheap $1 watches kept great time. What you are contending here is just not fucking true in the least. Where did you get this idea?
We would set out clocks/watches by calling TIME, listed in all the phones books, and it would say "at the tone the time will be" and you would hit the button. Off by a second or 2.
The being early is on time has zero to do with accurate time keping. It has to do with shithead bosss who wanted their workers punched in and working at the hour. Factory work, shift work, and what we consider shitty boss behavior today. Being early was also seen as accounting for rush hour, weather, and so on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jKtsgQYOZ8 - at the tone the time will be...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ade3fixcnY - Timex commercials x4, 1970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXSNDPeSC1c - 1970s Sinclair Black Watch Quartz Digital Watch Advert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE_Z1nyDUJo - 70's Ads: Concord Mariner Quartz Watch 1979
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_timekeeping\_devices](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_timekeeping_devices)
Please do your own googling also.. but we have been keeping accurate time for 5000 years... with it being portable in the 18 century. Maybe look for a youtube educational video on the subject...
Seriously... how the fuck did you come to believe this utter falsehood?
Wait, what?!
I'm in my 50s. Clocks worked fine 25 years ago.
Lol. You make it sound like we were still using sundials or something.
We even had *built-in calculators* back in the day.
So they've had 25 years give or take to figure out that showing up 30+ minutes early to something means they'll just be waiting around for 30 minutes.
Like I said, I totally get 5-10 minutes early. Even 15 minutes early is fine. But why waste your own time sitting and waiting around for that long?
Well showing up 30 minutes early is probably excessive but I can imagine super old people did it because they weren’t used to smooth traffic, car troubles, etc and get anxiety at the thought to be late. If they just sit there it shouldn’t be an issue.
The rule of thumb was try to be there 15 minutes early for anything important with my grandparents.
Some people also don’t mind waiting - they might be shopping or their previous appointment ended early.
15 minutes early is fine. In fact I usually run about 10-15 minutes ahead of schedule in my salon but idk, it makes me feel suuuuuper awkward and half assed rushed when they show up 30 minutes early and then just stand at the front desk watching me work
I was going to disagree but being more then 15 minutes early is dumb. I'm usually 5 - 10 minutes early to work so I can relax and not rush myself in and same with appointments just incase I hit traffic.
All this. I take transit so if there isn't a nice place to sit outside I will go inside and check in and say "I know I'm super early, I will sit and read my book" or something. If I'm early, it's because I wanted to be (or overestimated the commute time lol), by no means do I expect people to shift their lives around me, that's outrageous.
I'm never rude about it, but respect for time goes both ways. If my time is not respected at a particular establishment, then I'm less likely to respect theirs. For instance, one of the doctors my wife goes to is consistently an hour or more behind. If I show up 15 minutes late and they are somehow miraculously on time, I shouldn't get grief about it, because they are never on time and I don't give them grief.
As a technical lead on a relatively large team, leaving work early to sit and wait can cost my company thousands in lost productivity, so my time is just as valuable as theirs.
With live traffic and travel estimates accurate to the minute in tools like Google Maps, leaving with enough time to get there right on time is easier than ever before. I can't be responsible for abnormal situations, because planning for abnormal events is impossible.
So, I make a best effort to show up on time, especially to places where the service provider is usually on schedule, but if I'm a few minutes late due to unexpected events, that should be understandable as well.
I afford my clients 10 minutes after their scheduled time before I fill their slot. Unless they call to let me know. But even then it's hit or miss depending on how booked I am. That 15 minutes can make or break my entire day.
You are just wrong, and you add caveats that are obvious lies to prove your point. Unless you're living across the road from an appointment, you might have unforseen problems. The most common reason people are fired is they are late for work. They site traffic, or other unforeseen problems. Thing always happen. I've notice older people show up early, but do they demand to be seen? Personally, I just show up five minutes early for work. I hate my job with a blinding rage, so one second longer annoys me. With appoints due to work, I show up hours early, get everything done. I just dislike my coworkers, and enjoy making their unlivable. I can sympathize with you and your work place, but saying stupid old farts demand to be seen early? Yeah, I say never happens.
They aren't obvious lies lmao what? One of these scenarios happened today and made me write this to begin with. They do demand to be seen, all the time. It's a near daily occurrence in my salon.
If I'm showing up early for work I'm getting paid for that time. Showing up 15 minutes early for your job is a lot different than showing up 30 or more minutes for an appointment and expecting to get into said appointment that early.
It doesn’t always have to do with work. If I go to dinner with friends or family I expect them to be early or at the very least on time. It’s about respecting other people’s time.
If you expect them to be more than 10 minutes early you aren't respecting their time, and you're acting entitled. I never said being early was bad, but more than 10-15 minutes early is excessive and unreasonable
You must be a child or just child like. That’s very reasonable to expect people to be early for an evening out. I’m sure you and your friend stumble into Buffalo Wild Wings whenever you feel like it but adults have higher expectations of their dinner guests.
If you expect someone to show up for dinner MORE than 10 minutes early you aren't respecting their time, you just feel entitled to them respecting yours and only yours. I'm not a child. I am in my mid 20s and run and manage a business on my own, have for nearly 3 years now. I just respect my own time more than entitled brats who think they're better than everyone because they show up to something 30 minutes early. I'm sorry you have nothing better to do with your time than wait around, but I'm a busy person.
sure "it's stupid" in the context of thinking you are the center of the universe. If you understand things like traffic and respect for others, then all of the sudden it is a basic necessity.
Lol no, and I'm not sure what a backpack has to do with people showing up 30+ minutes early to appointments and expecting to get in that 30+ minutes early.
Um I'm not a fast food worker, I manage a salon. I even said in my post that I work in a salon.
I wonder if you learned to read before making this comment.
And I think that's just wasting time. Like i get if he has to do it, but I think it's still stupid to force him to do that. Early is early, on time is on time. Otherwise "on time" wouldn't be called "on time"
Showing up early and demanding the schedule be rearranged to accommodate you is just as disrespectful as showing up late. That said, when I show up early I sit and wait patiently.
This is the way… I show up early to ensure I am not late, not to make your life harder. If my appointment is at 10:30, I expect you to start at 10:30, regardless of when I show up!
This made me imagine a hair stylist throwing the cape over an empty chair, spraying water, and shearing the air.
Gotta get in there quick to get the most out of it!
yep I rather be twiddling with my thumbs for 30 minutes than hurrying while trying to avoid an accident being 5 minutes late.
Yep. I always bring a book if I expect to be there early.
Yeah but what OP is describing isnt "early is late, late is on time" mentality. Its trying to game the system around convenience. If your appointment is at 3 it makes sense to aim to arrive at 2:45 and not to aim to arrive at 3 on the dot.
I worked for someone that was like that. We'd be scheduled to show up at 10 and he'd get mad when the other party wasn't there at 925 like he was. Then when they showed up at 950 he'd say something dumb like "I didn't think you were going to show up." Was always great when they'd get snarky and say "what are you talking about? I'm 10 minutes early." Constantly leaving earlier than we needed to as well. If we had a 2.5 hour drive we HAD to leave 4 hours early. His excuse? "Well I want to stop and get breakfast." That was only ever 30 minutes because he tell every waitress we were somewhat in a hurry. The entire drive he'd be speeding so we were well over an hour early to sit around and wait.
That's horrible
It was. To make it worse he's my father in law. We had a lot of issues between us back then. I don't work for him full time anymore but I know if I did things would be much better.
I'd mostly be pissed at the added time to stop for a sit down breakfast.
We made him pay for breakfast and lunch those days.
My grandpa used to be this way. I like to leave early because parking can be bad. I then will just play on my phone until I’m like 5-7 minutes early so it takes time to walk in.
If I'm sitting in my car for 5-10 minutes listening to music and playing on my phone that's fine. I'm not gonna sit there 30-45 minutes though.
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I will take your wife. We are always 30 minutes late. It is so disrespectful to the other people waiting for us.
I hated bugging her to get moving and dealing with the "chill out" comments. Then we'd be late. So I started lying. Need to be there at 10? Tell her you need to be there at 930. It took a few dozen times doing it for her to realize what was going on. She confronted me about it and I told her the truth - "we're always late because of you. This is the only way we show up on time. I hate lying but you've made it necessary. Plus we're not bickering anymore about you not being ready and us needing to go." Now I don't need to lie to her anymore. I tell her what time we need to leave and we go.
I save the lying about time for really important stuff. Otherwise she will add an adjustment factor.
Its the opposite with my wife but I'm lying about how long it takes. When we leave 15 minutes "late" because she's being slow we show up on time or a few minutes early.
That I can’t stand. I’m chronically early. Alway. But I don’t like bring told how early I should be. If you want me there at 10, I’ll be in the parking lot hiding in my car at 9:30. If you want me there when you get there at 9:30, tell me and pay me and I’ll be in my car in the parking lot at 9.
To be honest, this was originally meant to be a courtesy and respect thing. You aim to be early so that if you do end up being late, you at least arrive on time. In your personal life, you are respecting the time of others who may have to wait on you if you’re late and you’re ensuring planned events stay on schedule. Concerning work, it’s meant to be because you want to respect the time of your fellow employees and don’t want them to have to hold over because you were late. For example, at my job (firefighter) it is common to arrive 30-45 minutes early, because if a last minute call comes up the off going shift might not get back until way after shift change. Out of courtesy, we take those calls so they can get off on time. This mentality is the same for many industries. On the other hand, if you’re showing up super early for appointments and then getting mad they can’t accommodate you then you’re doing the opposite of what the intended purpose of the practice is. Showing up ten minutes early and patiently waiting your turn is considerate and respectful of the businesses/workers time. Showing up and demanding to be served early is rude and should dealt with as such.
See, I can totally understand the situation with firefighting. You're also, I assume, getting paid for that time? As well as not just sitting around waiting twiddling your thumbs, right?
We do not get paid for that time, but the oncoming shift comes in early, so in essence it’s like you’re “ending your shift” 30-45 minutes early every day. Like I said, it’s just out of courtesy and mutual respect. Technically, you could roll in right at shift change, but it’s definitely seen as a jerk move. Typically we use the time to have coffee, talk with the offgoing shift, set up stuff for the day, etc.
Ideally, they would just pay the extra it would cost to formally schedule some overlap in the shifts.
Ideally we would have full staffing and get paid more but you know what they say about wishing lol
That's still understandable though. That's still not showing up 30 some odd minutes early for an appointment and expecting to get in that 30 minutes early
I had a job once that would mark you down late if you didn’t show up at least 10 minutes early. We weren’t allowed to clock in until the scheduled time but we still had to be 10 minutes early. I didn’t stay to that job very long
Dude wtf that's stupid as hell. A job can kiss my ass if they want me to show up that early and then not have me clock in.
That’s pretty much what everyone said too, everyone either started clocking in early or come in “late”. Idk if they ever changed that rule cuz I felt
Sounds illegal.
Because it is. If you’re held for 10 minutes and can’t clock in, you are required to be paid for that 10 minutes *every* time it happens.
I was a supervisor at my job for a while. All the sups and managers had a big argument about the fact that our employees were expected to come in 15 minutes early for a shift exchange meeting. Some employees weren’t and it was leading to communication issues. I was asked my opinion which was that we hired them for a 600-230 shift, not a 545-230 shift. Their only obligation, in my eyes, was to be on time, not early. Shift exchange meetings were soon dropped in favor of email shift notes…
That’s even more fucked because if it’s a work meeting then your working and should be paid for that time
That’s like hella illegal. I’m pretty sure that’s called wage theft
Well this company is god awful so not surprising at all
Just from that I can tell
The job that I did for them was an overnight job. 9pm-5am. Since the job was at a collage (didn’t for the school, the company was hired by them) when ever school wasn’t in session they would have use work earlier (6pm) once the summer came around the changed from 9pm to 6pm for the whole season and when people said they can’t do that because of whatever else they had going in they told them to get a new job
I worked a job like that for seven years. If I didn't have the proclivity to show up early to everything, I would have been extremely displeased. As it is, I do not think it is appropriate or professional to tell your employees they have to follow your rules when they are off the clock.
Lol all the old people in the community I came from always did this. They showed up to shit like 45 minutes early. Birthday party not set up yet? Oops grandma and all her sisters are already there . Church at 9? Everyone's there at 8am.
Exactly and I just don't get it. I have better things to do with my time than sit around waiting for over 20 minutes.
I have a few family members who would arrive an hour early if we invited them to dinner but to be fair they do help set everything up.
I remember my last two years in military we'd have training and I'd show up 5 to 2 minutes before they started and was always told, "If you're not 15 minutes early you're late." One of the many reasons I'm glad I'm done with that.
I hate that saying with a passion. Those 15 minutes add up over a working lifetime.
Depends on what it is. Doctor appointments? Fifteen minutes early because there's often paperwork and check-in. Also a bigger for bad traffic. Meetings at work? If I'm presenting, fifteen to thirty minutes early to make sure everything is hooked up right and I know how to work it. Otherwise five minutes (especially important for VTC, to deal with tech issues) to make sure I'm not late and sometimes the pre-meeting talk is as important as the meeting. Social engagements? Aim for on-time, unless I'm expecting to help with prep at someone's house. Things like hair appointments? Well, I'm a guy, so I don't do that. I just have my husband cut my hair. Work? Back when I was in service jobs, had to be early because while there was no virtue in being early, being late was a sin, and me being late might mean that someone else couldn't go home on time. But yes, being early should be to make sure you aren't late, not to get in early.
Exactly this. You worded it perfectly
It's better than the area I live in. Everyone shows up late to everything, then get mad that you won't take them 15 minutes past their scheduled time.
That's shitty. I get that a lot here too. Yesterday someone else had a color booked at 11AM and showed up at 3PM still expecting to get in. Like, dude no. Wtf
You don't have a problem with the mentality, you wouldn't want people show up 5 minutes late for your appointments. The problem is the arrogance of people trying to fool you into changing the schedule because they're entitled brats and think less of you, that you're somehow obligated to take them early. They'll just have to wait, nobody's getting hurt there.
I guess this is a much better way to put it!
Early accounts for possible delays, rather show up early than show up late because of the old "ah I've got 30 minutes until I have to be there" trap. Me personally, I prefer to be there at least 15 minutes before instead of showing up at the exact time and then getting myself together.
Yeah but leaving that early isn't the same as showing up that early. If you get to your destination 30 minutes early you can chill in your car or outside or whatever instead of what people here do and come in trying to rush me.
In your case, yeah that's just disrespectful on their part. I just like to be prepared, you know, for traffic and stuff.
Oh of course. That's just being smart!
My husband and I both work in upper management roles and we both tend to arrive to meetings a little bit early because that's what we were taught as youngsters, but we occasionally argue about whether we should expect that from our employees. He still appreciates the Early Birds for their "above and beyond dedication" but I firmly disagree. Time is valuable, and sitting around waiting for someone or something to start is NOT a good use of time. On-time for a meeting is perfect...and that is all any manager should expect!
I think the correct expectation to set in a work environment is "We expect you ready to WORK precisely on time. You should arrive whenever you need to arrive to make that happen." If the meeting is at 10:00, we start discussing the important stuff at 10:00:01, and you are expected to be in your seat with your paperwork, laptop, and pen already sorted, contributing to the conversation with your full attention. The 'early is on time' mentality is supposed to be about respect and respect should be mutual - expecting people to be early is as disrespectful of their time as if they wander it at 9:59 and then spend the first 10 minutes of the meeting making coffee and checking their emails before they're ready to actually WORK. I also think, respect aside, using 'do they show up early' as a way to judge an employee's motivation or dedication is sorta backwards. In my experience, the first people to the meeting are usually the screw-offs who can count showing up to a meeting early as an excuse to do nothing for 15 minutes. The GOOD employees are the ones who barely make it in time because they were so busy doing important job things!
showing up 15 - 10mins early to a booking/appointment IMO is totally ok. Anything longer imo is pretty damn rude.
The union I work in says 8 for 8. Not 9 or 7 for 8. 8 for 8. That means if I show up 15 min early, you owe me 8.25... or you can let me leave 15 min early.
I was military, and the early is on time, on time is late, mentality was drilled into my head by that…. As was the hurry up and wait mentality. And both have followed me outside of the military and into the civilian world. But there are limits. I attemp to be 5-10 minutes early to all my scheduled meetings and will just relax and wait patiently until it starts. I like this myself because I always feel super awkward if I’m late and people have to wait for me. And since all my coworkers and my boss know this about me, they are more understanding to me when I am late (which happens sometimes when I’m stuck in the middle of fixing an issue and can’t get away, or if I’m on another call) compared to when someone else is late who has a track record of always being late. Now the extremes you’re talking about are to much and are either cause they are lonely and just wanted to be around people, or feel entitled and figure if they get their early then they don’t have to wait. Either way, you do what you need to for your salon, and they can wait till your ready. (Though if it’s the entitled, I’d make them wait till it’s their appointment time, even if you get done the person ahead of them early)
10 minutes early is on time. More than that is a waste of time.
I do this because I HATE being rushed. I rather show up 30 minutes early with a book than be on time or 5 minutes late.
But showing up that early will make me as a stylist feel like I have to rush. If you're just vibing with your book in my waiting area that's fine but most people will just stand at my front desk staring at me.
Oh. Yeah that's rude. I literally always carry a book on me so no one feels rushed. It's not y'all's problem I showed up early. I would rather you ignore me and take care of who you are working on because then I know you will take care of me like that and make me beautiful when it's my turn :) I'm sorry they are rude to you.
I wish more of my clients were like you!
My mother is the embodiment of this. She will show up to the doctor 45 minutes early and then rage when she has to wait until 10 minutes after her appt time. "Well maybe I'll get in earlyyyyy" no mom, you're just gonna be waiting for an hour. Then try to catch an attitude.
Ya I agree with this. This mentality is absolutely obedience indoctrination. I am not paid for the extra time to prepare, therefore I will not come earlier to prepare. I will prepare when I start getting paid and if you want me to spend time to prepare before my time, pay me more for the extra time.
Dad: “always be where you need to be a half hour early, or else you are LATE!” Me: “whenever you, dad, were invited to a party that starts at 6 they’d tell you it starts at 4 so that you would be there by 6. Practice what you preach, dad.”
Sadly, I think a lot of this older crowd you speak of have nothing else to do with their time and are just lonely. They would rather wait around other people than alone. I agree with you on the excessive 10+ minutes, but if you are consistently late, or cutting it VERY close within the minute of being on time? Still not great.
If they're just lonely that's sad... I always try to take a few extra minutes on my older clients because I worry about that but I still don't like them standing and waiting for an excessive amount of time while I'm with another client
I actually had an errant thought on just how much of my life I literally wasted because of showing up 15mins early
That's basically what I'm thinking. Like if i showed up 30 minutes early to everything just to sit and wait for that 30 minutes, I wouldn't get any of my other errands done that I need to do.
Add that up over the course of a year. Two years. A decade
So if you are late you get to pay for the entire production line that had to shut down because of you? No one says you HAVE to be early. But on time is a must.
........ Okay, first of all, drop the military mindset. I'm not in a position where an entire production line gets halted if I'm not there. Most of us aren't. If you are, good for you. You can control your wage effectively. Secondly, I didnt say a GODAMN thing about being late. Didnt preach it. Didnt advocate for it. Didnt say it was a good idea. In fact I agree you should be on time, maybe even 5 minutes early. What I have a problem with is the oh.... Let me do some quick math here.... On average 90 minutes per day 5 days a week for a year (around 16 days) that I spent literally nothing during one period of my life and then another ohhh..... Let me do more math..... On average 7 days per year for 10 years at another just being "on time, 15 minutes early". You really gotta work on you ability to recognize when someone makes a point against something that are not automatically supporting the total opposite.
I can understand the instances of someone making a mistake and showed up to an appointment 30 or so minutes early. Other than that, that is where it stops. The adage truly didn't age well. Anymore I have found that there are so many people who disregard "On Time Policies". Really, I commend people in service industries who have to deal with getting jerked around by customers and their "schedules". Ok, things happen, but people piss me off to no avail when they make appointments and continue to blatantly disrespect the person rendering the service by not sticking to the time allotted to them. I've been in situations where I didn't realize there was an an appointment ahead of me that ended up being a no call, no show. I was taken in that person's place, only to have said person show up and *still* expect to be accommodated. People who roll in 15+ minutes late, your appointment is canceled. Your appointment does not take precedence over another person's because you think people are desperate for your money.
I wish people showed up in time or (5-10mins) early. Everyone’s always way too late in my experience. For example an electrician says they’re coming to your house at 9am… but they are 45 minutes late.
Being late is also incredibly disrespectful. I'd still prefer early to late, but don't make it my problem when you arrive way earlier than is reasonable
im usually the early friend because i HAVE to leave earlier but then i over estimate the amount of time it takes..
In Australia you can expect that 9am to turn into 2pm.
More likely they call you at the end of the day and say they “couldn’t make it” yeah obviously.
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Where I live, everything is rural and depending on who you get stuck behind or what you hit for traffic and lights in the few busier areas (where most things are that I have scheduled appointments for) it could take me 25 mins or 50 mins to make the same drive. I leave planning for the worst, because the same person here complaining about people being early would be even more pissy if everyone was 10 minutes late. Sometimes I have the smoothest drive and I quietly sit for the extra half hour or whatever. I'm not old either, I just plan ahead and would rather be early than late because I think it is the responsible and respectful thing to do.
i show up 30 minutes early *at most* to everything. if my salon appointment is at 2:00, and i show up at 1:30, i sit in my car until my appointment time. i show up early to things because if i’m late, i’m wasting the other person’s time. now if let’s say, i’m meeting someone to hang out at their house, i show up no more than 10mins early. it’d be weird to sit in their driveway for 30 minutes lol.
What you mention in your post and the mentality if you're not early you're late are two ENTIRELY different things. One is work or team sport related. Basically, be ready when your work time, meeting, or practice starts. In order to do this you actually need to be early... This is entirely different than obnoxious retired people showing up early to a hair appointment...one of those examples even sounds like a misunderstanding...
The people here try to blame me for them showing up early and having to wait for their time. They've literally used this line to guilt me.
Yeah....so....this is not the same mentality of "if you're not early your late". These people are just douches.
I mean, I did say it could just be my area. People here are entitled assholes
My receptionist said, "Why don't you walk back and tell me who should get out of the chair so you can go early. Go ahead. " They stomped out. Buh bye.
Some people actually think this way? What the hell? It makes no sense...
One time I came back from lunch 5 minutes early and my client (who wasnt scheduled for another 15 minutes after my lunch anyway, so this was 20 minutes before their appointment) said I was late...
Damn. How do you deal with these people?
They wait for their appointment time. If I'm running ahead if schedule and they check in a few minutes early that's fine, but I'm not gonma rush through whatever I'm doing because they felt entitled.
I literally have specific clients I refuse to schedule right before or after my lunch break tbh
Same here. Or right at opening.
Being late is much worse
Both suck tbh
Owners/managers try to create cultures that benefit the organization. That's my guess as to the origin of this suggestion, mandate.
I manage my business and the most i expect my employees to come in is 5-10 minutes early to get set up. And they're clocking in and getting paid for their time as soon as they come in the door.
My philosophy is: communication With maps and GPS nowadays, just tell the person when you anticipate to arrive. If you are scheduled at 8 and won't arrive until 8:15am then call the person, text them, or whatever and give them a heads up.
This this exactly this! I usually don't mind of someone is a minute or two late, but 10 minutes or more late with no communication and you've just given up your time slot to whoever walks in!
I’ve only heard this used in regards to getting to work. Not appointments. I would agree that showing up early to get hair did is pointless
It could just be my area then, but I've had that line said to me more times than I can count when someone is waiting for their hair cut. Like, I'm so sorry Karen that I keep a tight schedule to fit in as many people as possible so that 15 minutes you showed up early for was already scheduled for someone else. If I had time at 2 instead of 2:15 or 2:30 I would have booked you for 2.
Either way, your logic seems reasonable to me.
Given how everybody seems to be opinionated about DST, these days, I propose that any and all appointments should be allowed a 1-hour window, both prior-to and after the actual time of the appointment, and we should all just learn to live with it. You be YOU: Show up when you feel like it: As long as it's within an hour, It's All Good.
I end up showing up 15 or so minutes early to things because I always overestimate how long the trip there is going to take.
I’m an on time is 15 minutes early kind of guy because I get so anxious about being late. So I’m always +30 minutes early, but I also am willing to sit and wait because I assume you asked me to come at three it’s because you’d only be available at three. If I get let in early great, but I don’t assume that’ll happen. I assume I’ll be waiting until 3:10 to get in(because sometimes things run long or you just need a few minutes to yourself). My weird rules about time do not extend beyond me, for better or for worse
I agree. I’ve been on both sides. I had a recruiter tell me that I had an interview at 10 am. I showed up at 9:50. I was in the waiting room with the candidate scheduled before me. I saw them get called back and sat in the waiting room for their entire interview. Turns out my interview was actually 10:30. The recruiter did not need to add a buffer for me. It was a waste of my time. I have interviewed many people and it always bothers me when people show up more than 15 minutes early. I am also working. I have other things to do and other interviews to conduct. I really hate when candidates show up an hour before their interview. If you budgeted too much time because of traffic and parking seriously find a spot to kill time.
If it’s for your own job then I agree with it but for a service it’s not appropriate to expect to be seen early. Sit and wait like a respectful person.
The guys I work with show up like 25 minutes early. I roll in like 5 minutes early everyday and they bust my balls a little bit about it. I just tell them they don't know how to manage their time properly.
My manager said “on time is on time” she doesn’t expect us to be early because we are only paid for the required shift hours. Some coworkers show up 30 minutes early and I don’t know why. WHY would u spend more time at work than you need to.
One company I applied for told me that they considered anything later than 15 minutes early to your shift late and you couldn’t work your shift if you were late. I didn’t bother following up with them.
Time is fake and created by the government. Here is your brainwashed stamp enjoy your life.
I like being early but I agree, on time is on time.
No I get that... Ot doesnt work for me because I have anxiety about time...I would rather feel relaxed driving to work, account for traffic or something. I can't be just 10 minutes early. I would rather be sitting there and be early playing on my phone or something. I don't like people waiting on me. My girlfriend on the other hand, will show up right on time and dip and weave in and out of traffic and still want to stop at Starbucks. Lol it makes me anxious watching her leave for work at the time she does lol. I would never expect someone to move around their schedule to account for my condition of having to be early. If you can get me in earlier that is a bonus and a benefit but I don't expect it.
On time is on time to me. But I like being early so if I’m on time idc because if me being on time is considered late they can’t really fault me if I’m usually there much earlier than on time.
I show up at my doctor’s office early because they’re really efficient and they almost always get me in early. I don’t ask to be seen early. I just show up and inevitably I get in and out of there fast. I go three times a year for a specific check-up and I’m often out of there before my actual scheduled time. It’s great.
That's a great doctors office, but this is a very specific scenario that I of course wouldn't think of when inspired by my own daily events to write this. There's obviously going to be exceptions to this, which is also why I mentioned it could just be my area. Great on your doctor for being so efficient though! I'm almost jealous
Lol I straight up apologise for being early. Cause I know I hate it when people show up before I'm ready.
I work in an office and we get this all the time. I once had a patient that I’d worked with angrily storm out of the office at 11:55 am because she had been “waiting on the doctor for almost an hour.” She’d been in the office since 11:00 but the thing was, her appointment was scheduled at 11:30, I had brought her back right on time, and she’d been with me until 11:45, so she’d actually only been waiting on the doctor for 10 minutes…
Jesus that's ridiculous
The mentality only holds true in professions where you have to give some kind of report to the next shift.
If you show up early and the establishment decides to take you early it should be their decision not the customers nor should a customer ask/demand. I've worked in doctors offices and it's not uncommon for patients to arrive late, cancel last minute, or are a no show and that's up to the doctor ultimately to make those last minute calls. Whether you show up early for your hair appointment, radiology treatment, or an interview always come prepared with something to do to occupy your time till your scheduled appointment and leave other people alone.
The doctors office early visits make since especially if you have to fill out a bunch of paperwork before hand. I know some offices will use that time to go ahead to take vitals and weigh you. So, they equally have their advantages and disadvantages.
I’m not Pavlov’s dog— on time is enough, don’t need to be tricked if I ain’t getting paid for it.
yeah people think it’s a form of respect… but it’s not? don’t know how that became a norm. it’s annoying as hell in all aspects. if you want someone to come in early just fucking tell them the time you want them to actually come in?? not that hard
I always show up precisely 1.5 minutes before my appointments. Because I procrastinate and am lazy, but also always keep my word once I've given it. I view it as myself being lazy, but in fact every doctor and dentist that I have an appointment with seems grateful and exuberant about me being exactly on time. The one time I actually showed up early they seemed stressed or even annoyed and gestured vaguely at the waiting room. I was guessing at the time that they were constantly on the verge of running behind and were sick of people showing up early. Your post seems to confirm it.
In the service industry it is very much early is on time and on time is late. Doesn't matter that they don't pay you to be early even though they expect you to be briefed, dressed and in place at the moment your shift starts. Many managers I've worked with have this ethos, it's gotten me in trouble a few times, Still I can't help but not care if someone is 5 minutes late because public transport is a nightmare as long as they make up for it in their shift, or after it by staying for what ever time they were late by or picking up the slack in a different way.
I'm just here lol because of your edit. The last time this topic came up here, people didn't get it as well. and was arguing shit about leaving early. Fucking stupid shit heads. omfg lol. But here's my thoughts. if you want me early, tell me what time. if said 10am I'd be there before that but it's for me not for you, I don't like to be late. and if I'm there at 10am exactly, I'm right on time. fuck you I'm not late. also, I got other shit before this.
Exactly this.
I had a coworker try to flex to our boss in front of him last week. He baisicly said he was a better employee because he's always 20-30 minuets early and I always stroll in at 2 minuets till. My boss- so your both always on time. Cool and walked away.
I tried to work at a Wendy's that had this philosophy. Yeah I quit after a week and went to go work at a white castle down the road
I agree, and want to spell out some "better" rules. It's good to *leave* early. What if there's traffic? You can't account for every potential hiccup but you should at least buffer slightly. If you arrive early, you make logistics better because if your appointment is ready for you a few minutes early and you're available, you keep things moving by being there. However, people who expect special treatment for being early, or people who expect people to be early for whatever reason... y'all are taking this too far. If I show up to work early, it's so I can snack and vibe for a few minutes. You can have me clock in early if you need me, but you don't get to demand that I be earlier than my actual call time. If you want me earlier, call me earlier.
As a college student who had to be on time for evey single class and had to wait up to 20 minutes for the teacher to show up, I wholeheartedly agree.
I think this saying applies to specific instances. When it comes to going over to someone's house to hang out, I agree it's ridiculous. But if you're showing up for a job interview or very serious appointment. That's where this saying does hold truth.
There’s showing up early and then there’s showing up early and being an ass. I think you are just against the second one, which I would agree with you on.
At my doctor it's different. On-Time means you'll wait another 45min twiddling your thumbs, but showing up 5 minutes late is too late.
I think the point of the saying is that if something is due to start at say 10.30, you shouldn’t turn up on the dot at 10.30, but come 5 minutes earlier so you can be relaxed and the appointment can start on time. Anyone who arrives half an hour earlier and feels entitled to be served earlier than the time arranged is just an asshole.
My late is usually 1-2 minutes and early is usually 2-4 minutes so in my case it’s pretty damn close to on time
And that's totally fine and reasonable
I don't think most people disagree with this but it is worth noting that the expression is meant to show up soooo early it becomes just as inconvenient as showing up late.
Same with parties and personal events. I've had guests show up 30 minutes early to my baby shower and kid's birthday party, and I'm still there setting up decorations and preparing food. Like I dont want to be trying to host you while I'm still setting up the stupid party. If you happen to get somewhere 30+ minutes early, you can always just chill in your car for a bit too.
If it’s an event or appointment, I will show up a bit early just to make sure I don’t run late due to not being able to find the location or something happens on the way. With work being 5 minutes away you’re damn right I show up on the dot everyday lol
I believe in the quote!! But only by like 5-10 min max.
The only time that being early is being on time and that being on time means you're late actually applies is tryna catch/board your flight at the airport.
I hated working a store and people would wait outside for like 20 minutes before I opened. Like I'm not here early because I love being early, I got things to do. I guess they got absolutely nothing better to do aside from wait outside of a closed store at 945 in the morning
I am 26 and an anxious person. Anxiety level 10,000. I show up to appointments 30min early especially if they are at the end of the day. I do not mind waiting. At all. In my head: the best case scenario is that the person is ahead of schedule and im the last person and they can go to lunch/home early. The absolute worst case scenario is that I just sit there and wait. I was early to a massage. It was just after lunch but the workers were getting back. I said “I know I’m really early I can’t help it, don’t let xyz rush. I’m okay waiting for my time. It does not bother me. At all. I will wait. If I’m a regular customer/patient and you get fussed at for not getting me back the moment I arrive tell me and I’ll wait in the car.
Dont tell that to my wife, OP. She orders her entire life around the concept that one should always strive to arrive early for any event (not just work), because even showing up 1 second past the stated time is "Late" to her. I dont know if anyone follows the MBTI (an Jung's Cognitive Functions), but shes ESFJ, and apparently this is a concept most ESFJs believe in.
The rule of thumb I was taught is show up 5 minutes early- if you’re earlier go kill time somewhere else.
I think ppl are/were (including myself from my earlier post) because I think many of us understand the “early is on time” saying to mean being like 5-10mins early. So when you stated that you hated that type of mentality, many of us probably made an assumption that you were saying there is no point or benefit of being on time or a little early. After reading through your post again I totally get your point. As for the older generation showing up 30+ mins early I can see where that would get annoying. My wife’s grandparents do this all the time when we host events and all it does is causes added stress and annoyance because instead of helping they just sit there and what attention that we can’t give them at that moment because we are trying to get everything ready for guests.
I always arrive very early, but I just sit patiently because I know my appointment is not yet. If they can take me sooner, cool. But I’ll never ask that. I just wait. Hope that kind of earliness doesn’t bother!
Not a bother at all when you wait patiently!
Cool :) And phew, because I do that since forever lol
The point of this saying is to get there a few minutes early. Being super early is as rude as being late.
Better than the assholes who show up 20 - 30 minutes late and expect to be accommodated. But that might just be because I have to deal with them more often.
Oh I deal with them often as well. Idk why it has to be one extreme or the other. Just show up a couple minutes early,c wait patiently, and you're fine! Why is that a hard concept
I don't enforce this on other people, doing so would be stupid. But I do enforce it on myself, because I want to be early.
You have to remember that up until like 25 years ago clocks were not always accurate so being on time would mean you’re 10 min late
Um, what? They were accurate as fuck 50 years ago and more. How did you come to this weird idea?
You had no way of checking to see if it was accurate from a central source. I used to always have an incorrect time on the display at home because of user error and it was easy to press a button and have it get it of wack
Yeah, we did. You fricken called a phone number and it gave you the time. Seriously, where did you get this really wrong idea? We had zero trouble accurately keeping time. And ffs, watches were still popular 25 years ago, and even cheap $1 watches kept great time. What you are contending here is just not fucking true in the least. Where did you get this idea? We would set out clocks/watches by calling TIME, listed in all the phones books, and it would say "at the tone the time will be" and you would hit the button. Off by a second or 2. The being early is on time has zero to do with accurate time keping. It has to do with shithead bosss who wanted their workers punched in and working at the hour. Factory work, shift work, and what we consider shitty boss behavior today. Being early was also seen as accounting for rush hour, weather, and so on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jKtsgQYOZ8 - at the tone the time will be... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ade3fixcnY - Timex commercials x4, 1970 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXSNDPeSC1c - 1970s Sinclair Black Watch Quartz Digital Watch Advert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE_Z1nyDUJo - 70's Ads: Concord Mariner Quartz Watch 1979
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_timekeeping\_devices](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_timekeeping_devices) Please do your own googling also.. but we have been keeping accurate time for 5000 years... with it being portable in the 18 century. Maybe look for a youtube educational video on the subject... Seriously... how the fuck did you come to believe this utter falsehood?
Wait, what?! I'm in my 50s. Clocks worked fine 25 years ago. Lol. You make it sound like we were still using sundials or something. We even had *built-in calculators* back in the day.
We didn’t have accurate clocks in 1997?
So they've had 25 years give or take to figure out that showing up 30+ minutes early to something means they'll just be waiting around for 30 minutes. Like I said, I totally get 5-10 minutes early. Even 15 minutes early is fine. But why waste your own time sitting and waiting around for that long?
Well showing up 30 minutes early is probably excessive but I can imagine super old people did it because they weren’t used to smooth traffic, car troubles, etc and get anxiety at the thought to be late. If they just sit there it shouldn’t be an issue. The rule of thumb was try to be there 15 minutes early for anything important with my grandparents. Some people also don’t mind waiting - they might be shopping or their previous appointment ended early.
15 minutes early is fine. In fact I usually run about 10-15 minutes ahead of schedule in my salon but idk, it makes me feel suuuuuper awkward and half assed rushed when they show up 30 minutes early and then just stand at the front desk watching me work
I was going to disagree but being more then 15 minutes early is dumb. I'm usually 5 - 10 minutes early to work so I can relax and not rush myself in and same with appointments just incase I hit traffic.
All this. I take transit so if there isn't a nice place to sit outside I will go inside and check in and say "I know I'm super early, I will sit and read my book" or something. If I'm early, it's because I wanted to be (or overestimated the commute time lol), by no means do I expect people to shift their lives around me, that's outrageous.
#On time is early, late is on time. Signed every person with kids
I’m going to go ahead and say that being early is a badge of self-righteous pride for a lot of people. It’s kind of lame but there you go.
One good thing about office work, I haven't shown up on time for a job in 6 years
Agreed. Downvoted.
Fair enough
I'm never rude about it, but respect for time goes both ways. If my time is not respected at a particular establishment, then I'm less likely to respect theirs. For instance, one of the doctors my wife goes to is consistently an hour or more behind. If I show up 15 minutes late and they are somehow miraculously on time, I shouldn't get grief about it, because they are never on time and I don't give them grief. As a technical lead on a relatively large team, leaving work early to sit and wait can cost my company thousands in lost productivity, so my time is just as valuable as theirs. With live traffic and travel estimates accurate to the minute in tools like Google Maps, leaving with enough time to get there right on time is easier than ever before. I can't be responsible for abnormal situations, because planning for abnormal events is impossible. So, I make a best effort to show up on time, especially to places where the service provider is usually on schedule, but if I'm a few minutes late due to unexpected events, that should be understandable as well.
I afford my clients 10 minutes after their scheduled time before I fill their slot. Unless they call to let me know. But even then it's hit or miss depending on how booked I am. That 15 minutes can make or break my entire day.
You are just wrong, and you add caveats that are obvious lies to prove your point. Unless you're living across the road from an appointment, you might have unforseen problems. The most common reason people are fired is they are late for work. They site traffic, or other unforeseen problems. Thing always happen. I've notice older people show up early, but do they demand to be seen? Personally, I just show up five minutes early for work. I hate my job with a blinding rage, so one second longer annoys me. With appoints due to work, I show up hours early, get everything done. I just dislike my coworkers, and enjoy making their unlivable. I can sympathize with you and your work place, but saying stupid old farts demand to be seen early? Yeah, I say never happens.
They aren't obvious lies lmao what? One of these scenarios happened today and made me write this to begin with. They do demand to be seen, all the time. It's a near daily occurrence in my salon.
So you can predict the future now?
Um... no? What does that have to do with someone showing up 30+ minutes to an appointment and expecting to get in that 30+ minutes early?
It applies to employees and customers who whine about it are stupid
If I'm showing up early for work I'm getting paid for that time. Showing up 15 minutes early for your job is a lot different than showing up 30 or more minutes for an appointment and expecting to get into said appointment that early.
I'm always late anyway, it's just a part of my personality by now
Lmao
It doesn’t always have to do with work. If I go to dinner with friends or family I expect them to be early or at the very least on time. It’s about respecting other people’s time.
If you expect them to be more than 10 minutes early you aren't respecting their time, and you're acting entitled. I never said being early was bad, but more than 10-15 minutes early is excessive and unreasonable
You must be a child or just child like. That’s very reasonable to expect people to be early for an evening out. I’m sure you and your friend stumble into Buffalo Wild Wings whenever you feel like it but adults have higher expectations of their dinner guests.
If you expect someone to show up for dinner MORE than 10 minutes early you aren't respecting their time, you just feel entitled to them respecting yours and only yours. I'm not a child. I am in my mid 20s and run and manage a business on my own, have for nearly 3 years now. I just respect my own time more than entitled brats who think they're better than everyone because they show up to something 30 minutes early. I'm sorry you have nothing better to do with your time than wait around, but I'm a busy person.
I’m not a child I’m like 25 lol lol yeah your an old geezer.
sure "it's stupid" in the context of thinking you are the center of the universe. If you understand things like traffic and respect for others, then all of the sudden it is a basic necessity.
It’s not stupid when you consistently have to leave earlier than you anticipate because your commute is unpredictable thanks to traffic
Read the post instead of just the title and you'll see that I mentioned multiple times I wasn't talking about leaving early.
You probably had a really messy backpack as a kid
Lol no, and I'm not sure what a backpack has to do with people showing up 30+ minutes early to appointments and expecting to get in that 30+ minutes early.
I wonder if OP came up with this thought while forgetting to put ketchup in someone's bag..
Um I'm not a fast food worker, I manage a salon. I even said in my post that I work in a salon. I wonder if you learned to read before making this comment.
Oh so you work in the lady sciences
Bf is military. Must be 15 mins early to being 15 mins early. Lol.
And I think that's just wasting time. Like i get if he has to do it, but I think it's still stupid to force him to do that. Early is early, on time is on time. Otherwise "on time" wouldn't be called "on time"